I've been preaching this style of guard retention to my training partners and really believe in it! Most people I see are using the traditional frame and shrimp like crazy, rather than the forward shrimp and recompose with the outside leg. I'm starting to see some success with this and hope to be the example in my gym! Thanks man!
Thank you Jonathan for this. It amazes me that I have trained at so many bjj schools and the instructors have students mindlessly reverse shrimp down the mat but not once do they share with you when to use the reverse shrimp.
I usually do the gramby roll in this situation, but it doesn't always work against more experienced training partners. I end up getting stacked and defending it. I will definitely use your approach which is somehow similar to your side control escape video that has improved my game a lot! 🙏
The most accurate title ever! This has absolutely changed my guard and the success I have retaining it at the gym. I am a white belt and now I feel a lot more confident when I'm being threatened with a pass by blue belts and even purple belts. This was taught very well.
I like your fast style of explaining. 5 minute video made me realize my guard retention sucks, I turtle when I shouldn't AND showed me how to actually forward shrimp properly. keep up the good work.
I asked this exact question to a brown belt I was rolling with earlier!!! Google is always listening. Thanks anyway, you're more helpful than he was xxx
Thank you so much for making me understand the forward shrimp. I'm learning alot from your videos as it's explaining to me why I'm doing what I'm doing since I'm also a long lanky guy that tries playing spider guard and pretty much has a similar style like yours though I'm only a blue belt that only came back after 20 plus year break lol
Thanks man! Love your guard retention videos. I recently broke my hand in collar sleeve (sleeve hand finger got caught in the gi) - It would be amazing if you had a video on how to grip properly to avoid fingers getting stuck / injured and maximise grip effectiveness. Thank you!!
great breakdown. I had trouble understanding the forward schrimp (in live sparring) from one of your early side control escapes, but i like seeing this one utilized from someone doing the quick guard pass attempt and how to use the forward schrimp for guard retention! will be drilling this soon :)
I never did understand the forward shrimp drills, or even the movement really. Always felt like a huge struggle... probably because in the drill the goal is to move forward to the end of the mats. This makes more sense, as the goal isn't to move forward but to simply move the hips in whatever direction benefits
Hi Jon, another outstanding video. I’m too lazy to do social media but might have to if you post a lot of stuff on IG. I have two asks for future videos on this topic that you cover better than anybody. (1) can you please explain a bit more why you say you use the forward shrimp more than the traditional one? Is it just more effective? If so, why is it more effective? Or is it Personal preference? (2) please please make a video of you practicing guard retention against maybe a solid purple belt level. I know it can be hard to narrate over it but maybe you could slow mo some important points in the guard retention roll and perhaps add a little text. For example, slow the part where you actually do a forward shrimp to recompose or other techniques so we can see how you use these techniques against resistance and possibly even combine techniques to recompose your guard. A similar video doing side control escapes and recompose would be awesome. Thank you so much for all you’ve done for your fans and the jiu jitsu community!
To answer your question, to perform a normal shrimp you have to be facing your opponent. In this situation you are facing away so use the forward shrimp. Bjj scout has a video on knee cut pass which addresses this if you're still unsure
Regular shrimp is pretty simple, revere shrimp however, is damn near impossible! However, this is a good video and I will continue to watch it and try and get better at this drill.
Would you be able to do a u"nderstand the reverse de la riva" video? I understand the elbow- knee thing and keep my side- the side on the floor- tight, but I still get crushed from reverse de la riva.
So, in the Moment when you move your hips away from the Opponent, couldnt he just go for Northsouth Position? Will try it today. Thanks for the awesome videos and channel. S/o from Germany
How do you prevent from the opponent taking north-south right after you turn your lower body away from them? It's what happens a lot to me where I do this motion but I don't have enough space to throw in my knee/frames due to them closing in on the upper body space that I just presented to them
I have a decent turtle for BJJ but I don´t like the granby roll, of course I will do it when my coach makes me warm up with it or work in drills but this move looks betterm specially for long term BJJ.
I am as brand new to jiu jitsu as one could be and zero background, just started at Easton Training Center in Denver, --Is a forward shrimp another term for a hip out, or completely different? or am I an idiot that doesnt know what hes talking about lol
3:30 Elbow should not be between knee and opponent, it should be on the inside connected to your own ribs, protected from arm bar and supports the knee shield. Leaving your arm out vulnerable like is a huge flaw.
Mochi Mochi Keeping your elbow on the inside is a huge mistake here it’s going to be too easy for the person to work their way into your elbow knee space. I’m actually gonna make a video on that it’s such a common mistake in guard retention, this separates your upper body from your lower body and makes you much easier to pass. I have never had someone pull my arm out for an arm bar in this situation I have worked it with multiple black belt world champions and in competition at the highest level. You might need to keep your elbow tighter. Send me a video of you trying the technique and I can see what mistake you are making. You can message me on messenger or IG.
@@JonThomasBJJ I just watched your guard retention (elbow on the outside or inside),I misunderstood mochi mochi's comment, I do the same elbow on the outside when playing open guard ...I tuck my elbow inside and connect it to my ribs if they already open the space between my knees to my armpit.
JonThomasBJJ good luck with your arm being taken then. You’re leaving your arm unprotected and your knee shield unsupported. Hope your viewers use common sense and see this glaring mistake and dont dismiss it due to fanboyism. Critical thinking is important. Besides that, Im really enjoying your channel. Keep it up.
Umm wtf is this...??? You contradicted yourself so many times in your “instructional” video. “You use the forward shrimp motion to then invert on your neck and roll in front of the person and center”... umm no! They would just grab your pants, heels, ankles and gently swing you back around. The best advice you gave was utilizing your limbs, hands and feet to connect and utilize the standing persons force to generate momentum and swing yourself back to “center” How about a technical stand up...never lay on the ground with your legs open. 🤣 Btw if my opponents ever got rotated to the point where their center line was more than 30 degrees off center with my own, and they attempted to utilize the far leg to “center” themselves, best believe the moment that foot connects to my body, I’m grabbing it, whipping the person in the opposite direction and using your “diving head technique” to get the north south... 🤣🤣🤣 Wow...
I've been preaching this style of guard retention to my training partners and really believe in it! Most people I see are using the traditional frame and shrimp like crazy, rather than the forward shrimp and recompose with the outside leg. I'm starting to see some success with this and hope to be the example in my gym! Thanks man!
Thank you Jonathan for this. It amazes me that I have trained at so many bjj schools and the instructors have students mindlessly reverse shrimp down the mat but not once do they share with you when to use the reverse shrimp.
I usually do the gramby roll in this situation, but it doesn't always work against more experienced training partners. I end up getting stacked and defending it. I will definitely use your approach which is somehow similar to your side control escape video that has improved my game a lot! 🙏
The most accurate title ever! This has absolutely changed my guard and the success I have retaining it at the gym. I am a white belt and now I feel a lot more confident when I'm being threatened with a pass by blue belts and even purple belts. This was taught very well.
man this is "free" pure gold!! thank you so much
I like your fast style of explaining. 5 minute video made me realize my guard retention sucks, I turtle when I shouldn't AND showed me how to actually forward shrimp properly. keep up the good work.
I totally dig this! I did have someone go for my arm for an arm bar, but still managed to use my outside leg to break out and escape the attack..
I’ve been looking for a way to retain guard in this position without granby rolling. Thank you!!!
Happy it helped, I like to avoid the granby roll whenever I can.
Just found this channel. This is golden. Thanks Jon. Subbed
Happy to hear it buddy hope you enjoy all the videosz
Such an amazing teacher. Love all your posts. Very good
Thanks so much buddy really appreciate it!
I asked this exact question to a brown belt I was rolling with earlier!!! Google is always listening. Thanks anyway, you're more helpful than he was xxx
Superb technique and drill. This is exactly what I've been trying to work out in my head as far as movements go and reposing guard. Thank you!
Thanks for the package of video about the retention guard, this is very useful!!!
Thank you so much for making me understand the forward shrimp. I'm learning alot from your videos as it's explaining to me why I'm doing what I'm doing since I'm also a long lanky guy that tries playing spider guard and pretty much has a similar style like yours though I'm only a blue belt that only came back after 20 plus year break lol
The forward shrimp correction was the best detail for me
Thanks man! Love your guard retention videos. I recently broke my hand in collar sleeve (sleeve hand finger got caught in the gi) - It would be amazing if you had a video on how to grip properly to avoid fingers getting stuck / injured and maximise grip effectiveness. Thank you!!
Ivan Landabaso why don’t people just ask their instructions and fellow students questions like these? It baffles me
Great video, thank you! Butterfly guard retention would be good too and maybe some no gi stuff.
great breakdown. I had trouble understanding the forward schrimp (in live sparring) from one of your early side control escapes, but i like seeing this one utilized from someone doing the quick guard pass attempt and how to use the forward schrimp for guard retention! will be drilling this soon :)
This is gold! Thanks!
Danaher shows this one on “pins and escapes”
yeah i have his pin escape series and john also said this is one of the most important moves i agree
Jersey!!! Where??? Are you doing seminars? Or just training in different places? I would love to meet you
I never did understand the forward shrimp drills, or even the movement really. Always felt like a huge struggle... probably because in the drill the goal is to move forward to the end of the mats. This makes more sense, as the goal isn't to move forward but to simply move the hips in whatever direction benefits
Man thats awesome, thank you so much :)
brilliant
Hi Jon, another outstanding video. I’m too lazy to do social media but might have to if you post a lot of stuff on IG. I have two asks for future videos on this topic that you cover better than anybody. (1) can you please explain a bit more why you say you use the forward shrimp more than the traditional one? Is it just more effective? If so, why is it more effective? Or is it Personal preference? (2) please please make a video of you practicing guard retention against maybe a solid purple belt level. I know it can be hard to narrate over it but maybe you could slow mo some important points in the guard retention roll and perhaps add a little text. For example, slow the part where you actually do a forward shrimp to recompose or other techniques so we can see how you use these techniques against resistance and possibly even combine techniques to recompose your guard. A similar video doing side control escapes and recompose would be awesome. Thank you so much for all you’ve done for your fans and the jiu jitsu community!
To answer your question, to perform a normal shrimp you have to be facing your opponent. In this situation you are facing away so use the forward shrimp. Bjj scout has a video on knee cut pass which addresses this if you're still unsure
Regular shrimp is pretty simple, revere shrimp however, is damn near impossible! However, this is a good video and I will continue to watch it and try and get better at this drill.
Would you be able to do a u"nderstand the reverse de la riva" video? I understand the elbow- knee thing and keep my side- the side on the floor- tight, but I still get crushed from reverse de la riva.
I would like to see what your back attack systems look like.
Granby to knee bar is my go to in no gi
Nice! Learned something new!
Very good drill, Osss
I didn't realize I was training escapes while rolling over in bed. Great video!
Thanks!!!!!
So, in the Moment when you move your hips away from the Opponent, couldnt he just go for Northsouth Position?
Will try it today.
Thanks for the awesome videos and channel. S/o from Germany
Wasgeht Siedasan yeah they will try for sure check out my north south escape video it kind of follows up on this position exactly
JonThomasBJJ
checked it, very very helpful, thanks a lot!
How do you prevent from the opponent taking north-south right after you turn your lower body away from them? It's what happens a lot to me where I do this motion but I don't have enough space to throw in my knee/frames due to them closing in on the upper body space that I just presented to them
I started using it from a failed butterfly sweep to get back underneath what do you think about that
Perfect class! Oss
I have a decent turtle for BJJ but I don´t like the granby roll, of course I will do it when my coach makes me warm up with it or work in drills but this move looks betterm specially for long term BJJ.
I have problems when they grab my sleves and pants, I cant grip fight and openguard :(
I am as brand new to jiu jitsu as one could be and zero background, just started at Easton Training Center in Denver, --Is a forward shrimp another term for a hip out, or completely different? or am I an idiot that doesnt know what hes talking about lol
Does this expose you to north south position?
Can you show this and other stuff Live? Maybe some narrated rolling.Thanks
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Or you can just invert??
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I find inverting in this situation often gets you stacked or opens up for a diving bolo it’s not my preferred choice.
Baloo Peinkofer lol thanks baloo! Miss you buddy!
3:30 Elbow should not be between knee and opponent, it should be on the inside connected to your own ribs, protected from arm bar and supports the knee shield. Leaving your arm out vulnerable like is a huge flaw.
Mochi Mochi Keeping your elbow on the inside is a huge mistake here it’s going to be too easy for the person to work their way into your elbow knee space. I’m actually gonna make a video on that it’s such a common mistake in guard retention, this separates your upper body from your lower body and makes you much easier to pass. I have never had someone pull my arm out for an arm bar in this situation I have worked it with multiple black belt world champions and in competition at the highest level. You might need to keep your elbow tighter. Send me a video of you trying the technique and I can see what mistake you are making. You can message me on messenger or IG.
@@JonThomasBJJI'll be waiting on this vid, I usually keep my elbow on the inside too
Bodjie Galang I’ll try to put something on this out ASAP then!
@@JonThomasBJJ I just watched your guard retention (elbow on the outside or inside),I misunderstood mochi mochi's comment, I do the same elbow on the outside when playing open guard ...I tuck my elbow inside and connect it to my ribs if they already open the space between my knees to my armpit.
JonThomasBJJ good luck with your arm being taken then. You’re leaving your arm unprotected and your knee shield unsupported. Hope your viewers use common sense and see this glaring mistake and dont dismiss it due to fanboyism. Critical thinking is important. Besides that, Im really enjoying your channel. Keep it up.
It's a Jersey thing..
Umm wtf is this...???
You contradicted yourself so many times in your “instructional” video. “You use the forward shrimp motion to then invert on your neck and roll in front of the person and center”... umm no! They would just grab your pants, heels, ankles and gently swing you back around.
The best advice you gave was utilizing your limbs, hands and feet to connect and utilize the standing persons force to generate momentum and swing yourself back to “center”
How about a technical stand up...never lay on the ground with your legs open. 🤣
Btw if my opponents ever got rotated to the point where their center line was more than 30 degrees off center with my own, and they attempted to utilize the far leg to “center” themselves, best believe the moment that foot connects to my body, I’m grabbing it, whipping the person in the opposite direction and using your “diving head technique” to get the north south... 🤣🤣🤣
Wow...