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I prefer Old school TaeKwonDo because I grew up with it when I started at 7 years old. I'm now 30 and there's a huge difference. Not only sparring, but forms (poomsae/hyong) and the philosophy itself. These days, I feel like the emphasis is more on performance/show, sparring/competition and politics more so than the self defence part. But this might just be me and my opinion :)
I like the OLD Taekwon-Do bcoz it has more emphasis on power and rapid attacks + counter as well. They also put their hands up for blocking and they do punch although may not be punching as much as ITF Taekwondo version. The new WTF taekwondo focusing on "point scoring" aspect way too much😅😅 Btw, my friends and I looking forward to see your reaction and opinions regarding OLD/NEW ITF Taekwon-Do sparring. Thanks sensei😁
I prefer Old Taekwondo. I got shodan in TKD when I was young and that's the style I'm familiar with. However, I think NEW Taekwondo is heading to a good direction. A friend of mine actually continues the study of TKD and he is now an owner of a TKD school. Visiting his school, NEW Taekwondo has better training method compared to the Old days. It is safer and more uniformed than before (Poomsae is so much more uniformed now compared to the old days). The sparring nowadays focus a lot on speed than power because of the new point system. In the Old days, head and chest are all one point (thus, we practice double roundhouse A LOT, because we want to maximize our points).
Old school tkd is a lot more fun to train and watch. I've been trying to implement more of these techniques into my training and it feels so good to catch someone with a solid hit unlike the lighter taps that have become common in modern tkd
The worst thing happened to Tae Kwon do was bringing it up to the Olympics. Tae Kwon Do is a beautiful martial art focused on speed and power. TKD kicks are beautiful, fast and powerful. Now when you watch a TKD match, unfortunately, you don't see that beauty anymore.
Agreed. Olympic Tae Kwon Do is not really a martial art, in my opinion. It is just a T-rex type of kick-fest pretending that fighters do not have arms or fists.
@@amyth8388 Sounds like you're at a McDojo. Go to an international level tournament and ask an athlete warming up to tap you. TKD was the event with the most injuries in the 2000 Olympics, nearly all foot and shin fractures and bruises. I've been a ref at my country's Olympic selection tournaments, it's not toe-tapping. ruclips.net/video/0f6LiOAP47M/видео.html
@@xyaeiounn 2000s taekwondo is very different than taekwondo in 2020. Electronic scoring drastically changed the style. I sparred (been beaten up by) 4 worlds paprticipants and 1988 olympic silver medalist. The recent world champion hit lighter but with more head kicks. They use their front leg more and lean back when kickinh with their rear leg thats why it has less power.
Man it's such a shame this style died. Like every martial art that becomes an Olympic sport, the martial art changes for the worst. It's the same with judo. I sure hope Muay Thai or MMA don't get recognized as Olympic sports.
The Korean words in the beginning roughly translates to "if you try you can do it, it's a fact" ...basically the Nike motto LOL. Just Do It. Glad people are seeing this. These were the days ^_^ loved training in the 90's
@@KarateDojowaKu It's also against conventional wisdom to do a back kick when in closed stance. Maybe that was part of what the coach wasn't happy with, the guy didn't try a back kick again...
@@Samperor It's not impossible to pull off, and you wanna throw one out when countering in closed stance once in a while, just so you don't become predictable... but if you're playing the numbers game, a back kick counter is far more likely to work against an attacker in open stance. That's why it's worth training up your left leg back kick, to counter all those right-footed fighters.
We use the punch on sparring to cut the enemy's attack, and then be able to counter-attack him. But outside the sparring we use different kinds of hand hits just as karate. Keep making this kind of videos, I love them!! Such a great analysis.
When I trained tae kwon do in the early seventies, it was still very much influenced by it's Shotokan roots. It was even called"Korean karate". It was a fusion of Japanese and Korean techniques; like Shotokan, but with higher stances and more mobile hips. And, of course, very strong kicks. It had some very effective techniques, but that approach seems to have all but disappeared in the current era.
Realistically, hands down lowers the center of gravity for quicker Mobility. And hands up is not going to stop a kick or even slow it down in most cases. Also realistically, Taekwondo was a colonial martial art of Japanese occupation. It is an artifact of cultural warfare.
@@richardschatz9992 the arms down position is actually deeply rooted although not as blatant arms down but also out a bit away from body its roots ( and is very effective) is to catch kicks and block as well hands up when you think about it whats it protect that your arm already isnt? ideally traditional TDK one arm down usually the front arm and rear arm is about the waist remember traditional TDK your in more of a side stance not a walking style stance
@@rodrigorodriguez509 traditional TKD has roots dating way back hwa rang do and Hapkido would be a close cousin, the high kicks and flying kicks were developed under Japanese occupation to take Japanese soldiers off horseback
@@callofthewildoutdoors Nope and nope. This is Korean propaganda that was developed after the Japanese annexation in order to remove traces of Japanese influences from the period following rise in reactionary nationalism. Tae Kwondo is a modern off-shoot of Shotokan Karate that was taught to Koreans who were conscripted into the Japanese army. When the annexation ended, these soldiers tweaked the art to focus on kicks and distance its performance from Karate. Same goes for Hapkido which is a derivative of Jujutsu and Judo. The idea that Koreans used Tae Kwondo kicks to take Samurai off horses is as ridiculous as it is unrealistic. Anyone who thinks a person will be able to kick an armored man off a horse without destroying their leg in the process has never touched a horse, armor or kicked a heavy moving target in their lives.
The way my master explained it was using figure skating (of all things) for an analogy. Specifically, the pirouette and how figure skaters could control the speed of rotation.
Back before tae keondo practitioners weren’t scared of getting hurt or losing. This is the style my master began teaching us until he realized that clients were leaving because it got too tough.
oh man.. I wanted to do tkd but the classes and sparring always seemed so soft, ended up changing to kick boxing + muay thai ( haven't practiced for 3 years now and would love to find somewhere to get the type of training this video shows)
@@komitt I do not know if real "old school" TKD even exists anywhere today. But the old school fighters could get in the ring with anyone from Muay Thai to PKA or Kyokushin. In fact we did. Mike Warren and many other would fight 'PKA' the kickboxing of our time '70s. As well, we would train with each other. Herb Perez a TKD gold medalist from the olympics trained with Paul Vizzio a Kickboxing champion, who came from Fu Jaw Pai. But the hard fighters of TKD are gone. Sad but true.
@@johngrossman2180 Ofc it does, ITF Taekwondo is basically still the same good old Taekwondo as it was in the 40's. WT on the other hand is practically not even Taekwondo.
I spent 8 years in Taekwondo from '86-'94. Our sparring scoring had rules for scoring a point, which they called "Trembling Shock". The strike must physically move the opponent to be scored. The only exception was head kicks, where simple contact was sufficient. The match went one to three rounds, and there was no reset after scoring a point. The only time they'd stop the action was for leaving the ring, or an injury.
👍This young Karate sensei is more matured & impartial than many proud old traditional senseis. Yes, adopt whatever is good for u, no matter which style. And most of all, do not shut your mind to think yours is superior.
We're about the same age and started training around the same time... I started at 13 in 1999. First generation Korean immigrant as my instructor. Much different than how it is now, even in his school. I think as he's aged and realized the American culture, he sees how he can make more money/retain membership softening his teaching. When he was younger and hungry, he whooped our ASSES
In traditional Taekwondo sparring in the past, one guards with hands (although poorly compared to kickboxing), and when closing to the opponent after a kick, throw a punch into the opponent's body to interrupt opponent's next move or push to make distance, and then immediately perform a roundhouse kick. And quickly changing the left and right stance, moving forward, placing importance on the fast roundhouse kick left and right combo.
I'm born 1971 and did taekwondo 1981-2000 and... In all honesty, these guys are exceptional. Their catlike reflexes... Many black belts in Thailand and Sweden where I've been practicing didn't look this good. Some did but not the entire class. Many real good competitors trained like this like 1-2 hrs after "regular" class. Just to sharpen their game before a big tournament. But Korea is Korea... Especially in the 90s. I believe you could or can be a Dr in taekwondo there. Many thanks man. Like your unbiased style😊
I'm right handed but a stronger left kicker. I've studied Tae Kwon Do in the late 90's and Kenpo later. I moved away once and could no longer study Tae Kwon Do, and took up Kenpo which was available in my town. A year later I returned to my old Tae Kwon Do school while in town, and the Instructor said he could certainly tell I had switched to Karate. Very interesting what you said what makes Tae Kwon Do kicks special.
Yeah,it is also my favorite kick, someone approached me and i used the reverse backwards side kick to counter him,he blocked with his leg and he said his leg was sore for 3 days,as i am not very flexible,i spent a lot of time on this kick and i made it my ultimate counter attack
@@KarateDojowaKu Jamming kicks was a favourite counter of mine in TKD, especially against opponents who like to use reverse hook/crescent kicks. A proper reverse side kick (chambered early) is almost impossible to nullify completely. Once it backfired though, because my opponent was wearing a plastic knee brace, which hit me in the ribs when I closed distance to counter a reverse crescent kick.
We used to compete in Karate tournaments. We had trouble handling all the face punches, but our TKD back kicks worked very well against the karate fighters.
I've trained taekwondo for 12 years straight and these guys remind me of the old days, when i watch the new taekwondo, the way they spar and compete is literally a joke, watching this, made me scared and reminded me of how good of a sport it was.
Joe Rogan is just over two years older than me and stopped competing at about the same time as I first travelled internationally to compete. He's a tragic who's wangled fame from media without having one pro bout. He's that wiseguy with shit for brains you know at work and uses HGH to try to stay athletic into his 50s. I don't know why he's ever mentioned in any discussion about martial arts.
@@xyaeiounn Joe was 4 time state champion , one time Us open champion, and came second in the world championship. At least that’s what he said on his podcast. Is that bs credentials ? I wouldn’t spontaneously say so. A lot of competitors he had to beat to get those titles.
@@joyousnomad1 I don't think it's taking anything away from his amateur record to say that he's a tragic. He did well in some competitions and he can talk about combat sports, he's been there. Any time someone starts to talk him up though, I have to remember he's from a time where TKD wasn't really international and the standards were trash compared to now. I'm from just after that time, i remember it. Saying his kicks are real strong and asking is he doing some old-school, more legit form of TKD is just wrong-headed.
@@xyaeiounn aww is someone upset? Bruh he just didn’t want to fucking compete and went to the UFC get over it he’s still a black belt and a talented martial artist you claim your not taking anything away from him even though that’s exactly what you just did
I have no idea why I got recommended your video but since I've been training TKD for many years that made me smile... that's how I learnt, that's how I trained my students, two became county champions, sadly they often lost on points once we started using electronic equipment. Now we just train for fun. Thank you for your open-minded evaluation!
Sport TKD competition changed in response to competition rules. What you learn overall in class maybe different than what you see in sport competition. If the TKD is traditional it will include a wider variety of techniques.
I was originally trained in the traditional form of Taekwondo back in 1982-1987. I left to the military and life happened. 35 years later I’m continuing my journey and I have to say that I’m glad I learned the old style, I also believe the new Olympic style will be complimented because of it.
@@KarateDojowaKu check out Sylvie von Duuglas-Ittu for that. She's a pro Muay Thai fighter who's trying to get the Guinness World Record for most number of pro fights. She was until recently with Petchrungruang Gym in Pattaya. She trains with some of the best Nak Muays from the 90s like Yodkunpon and Dieselnoi & she fights girls who are bigger than her most of the time, including kard chuek fights where the fists are wrapped in rope & the only way to win is by KO. Her pro record is 170-73-10, 89 KOs.
Before, our goal for every kick was to knock out the opponent and end the fight early. That’s why we were so obsessed with effective high kicks and risky turning kicks to the head. To train in hardcore tkd was the most unforgettable experience I ever had.
Just stumbled across your video. The sign says “If you just do it, it will work. That’s a fact.” What coach sounds unintelligible even though I speak fluent Korean lol. There are many review videos where they just try to knock other martial arts saying theirs is better and all. Rating and disregarding some martial arts just because they think theirs is superior. Thank you for being open-minded, humbly recognizing other martial art’s (tkd’s) strengths and uniqueness. All martial arts are great in their respective strengths and disciplines. You truly deserve the title of Master.
I'm so glad this guy does not pause the video. As a karate practitioner this really has me thinking do you Taekwondo folk do punch striking too? Or just kicks please tell me!
My father learned Taekwondo in the 80s and later on taught me. I got made fun of a lot for practicing it, but as I didn't get taught the competitive side, rather the actual martial art, I never had a problem to defend myself yet.
Kukki style power TKD circa 80's to mid 2000. I'm so grateful to learn during this era and still teach the same way till this day with bit more care on knee and functional transition to self defense technique.
Bouncing is like a feint in a way. When you have the ability to cross a meter or more with a powerful kick in one motion because you are throwing yourself into the kick, the bounce can look like the beginning of that kind of movement. The other factor is bouncing can indicate a possible footwork change (left or right), or a potential adjustment in front of the target. If you aren't used to seeing a person bounce around it can be a bit weird, because you're wondering when an attack might happen or what the person is doing. Hesitating at the wrong time can lead to a kick in the face from a chambered kick even if the foot didn't start firmly in the ground [mid bounce]. The down side is that bouncing around is exhausting, so the longer a match goes the faster you can get tired if you're doing it a lot without payoff. The other downside is that it can telegraph to a person that you are about to do something - so if they know how you fight they might be ready intercept or counter. Sometimes they'll try to go at you between bounces for instance. Careless bouncing can be a problem. Some people frown on this kind of motion, other people I feel might only recognize the feint aspect subconsciously; instead they might just be trying to hype themselves up or buy time to gauge distance. When I trained with some karate students in a spar they were really thrown off by bouncing even if it was light, since they only knew static forms. It's kind of strange how the smallest thing can throw a person off if they aren't receptive to something they've never seen before. Some students froze up, others complained to the instructor. Imagine if they went up against penjak silat or kung fu with a low stance like mantis or monkey? I really feel it's best to be exposed to stuff outside one's style at least so that they might not be shocked when a blow comes from an unexpected method or angle.
Hello. Please react to the "1969 Professional Karate Championships" for a taste of old school American karate It's definitely worth the watch, it's a very interesting time in the early days of karate becoming popular in the US
I'm so, SO glad my first master taught me Tae Kwon Do this way. My new school is slightly more focused on the new style but my current master still helps me keep the tradition of old school TKD. It's cool to have a balance.
I started training in TKD in 1989, right before I turned 5 yrs old (I was his youngest student at the time). My instructor was actually one of the coaches for the US Olympic Team. The way he taught how to properly spin was by comparing it to figure skaters. In order to maintain balance, you only turn your head in single movements, rather than let it spin with your body. Basically quick 180 degree shifts. It helps reduce dizziness.
The potential of Taekwondo kicks is very high. The reason why the kicks are so fast and can travel a long distance is firstly due to the relaxed lower body as you mentioned, but also because of physical benefits of linear and circular movements. For example basically all our kicks from the front start the same way. Our kicking leg is parallel to our pivoting leg at first, and after it passes that the actual technique shows, be it a front kick, a roundhouse kick (different versions), axe kick, hook kick etc. The engagement of the hip is very important, THAT'S where the power is mostly coming from. In other movements, such as the so called "Spinning hook kick" , we switch between circular and straight movements to get momentum + speed + control, and use our whole body to kick (not just our legs). Just a small Info about TKD kicks
I am very late on this video. This video made me cry. I grew up learning this style. I am a two time world, three time national champion I fought for Korea in Korean world open. I took a very long break and I have a family. I didn’t know TKD changed so much!!!
Yeah this is how we trained back when too for our school. It was just like this. We keep our spins tight that gives us speed, accuracy, harder to intercept or defend against, and makes the kicks hit harder too. When doing a turn back side kick or a hop back kick your knees touch. For instance you turn your feet so they are in alignment with your opponent and then throw the kick straight back. Note you turn your feet as you are moving your legs for the hop back kick version and so it makes it faster. Also you can use the hop back kick as an offensive kick by jumping forward not just a counter kick which is also really use good of the kick. When i use to do spinning hook kicks I would slide my foot nearly touching my leg and body as I spun which gave me a super tight spin and super fast spinning kick. I love you karate guys I spared one in college for MMA and he was really tough.
Total respect to you, Yuskue, for showing admiration for the skills of martial artists from other styles. What I have noticed over the years is that far fewer people are likely to make simple, naive comparisons between different martial arts as we all now know that no style is perfect and each has its weaknesses and strengths. MMA grew out of the need to combine the best of striking and grappling arts because of this realisation. It wasn't that long ago when every man and his dog would sneer at TKD saying it was ineffective, but now it seems everyone in MMA is trying to incorporate the deadly kicking techniques of TKD into their armamentarium. Like they say, take what is useful and discard the rest. I have been hit by kicks like the ones in this video and I can tell you they really do knock the stuffing out of you. It’s not so much the kicks that are unique to TKD as the way they are set up and delivered, as the video shows. One other point I'd like to mention is that "old-school" Tae kwon do refers to ITF (as opposed to WTF), which is the style I learned in the late '70s and '80s. My instructor was an All Army Korean champion and he drilled us pretty hard. The ITF TKD curriculum back then contained basic throws (as a part of hoshinsul) and we also tended to use our hands more, too, in close-up fighting and to bridge the gap prior to a delivering a kick, and as a follow up afterwards. I left TKD after it became an Olympic sport as I wasn't happy about where it was headed. I subsequently took up boxing and judo, but mainly because it suited my body type, my age and preference for close-up fighting. TKD has changed a lot since then, but I am not sure if the changes it has undergone have been good for it. But that's just my opinion, of course. Keep up the great work, Yusuke.
Genuinely so nice to see martial artists from different schools acknowledging other school’s strengths :) I train taekwondo, Muay Thai and free style kickboxing and I love trying to find ways to use techniques from each
In training, in old TKD, if you put your hands down the Sa Ba Nim would make you walk the Dojang doing forward lunges with 5lb dumbells in each hand. You eventually learned to keep your hands up. Also the whipping forward lunge with the kicks, when you first get it down it feels like your core is being torn out of your body. We would practice shifting our hips back and forth so that our belt would whip back and forth, then we would learn to expand the coil of the whip through our body, from the hips down to the leg. The kicks would start to have a snap to them that made the point of impact feel deeper than the surface of contact. Whipping and snapping kicks have a lot more power than people that use crushing and pushing kicks would think.
I competed Internationally in the late 1990’s, the issue with a the style change from the 90’s to the present happened because of the type of electronic gear used to record real time scoring. There were to types in contention. One needed more power to activate the other needed less power and contact to activate as a score. The more sensitive version was adopted which changed the overall style of the competitions today.
I do ITF style taekwondo (more old-style?) and we keep our arms up in a guard constantly as you can punch to the head as well as kick. Whereas WTF keep their arms down (Olympic style) as they can’t punch to the head so they don’t need to guard it.
The guy that impresses is using Jeet Kune Do. Thats the step you see and he is pretty good at it. I have taught that for years with a few other styles at the same time. A nice blend to get down to business with a quickness. I taught another instructor my concept in America and he is now teaching it full time. Its all about understanding your energy and learning how to use it. ✌N ❤
I started TKD wanted to try out for Olympic team 1999 . 19 years old . TKD is best for learning speed timing Raytheon and flexibility. My punches were not good . I’m 40 ( 2020) and could slap a popsicle stick from someone’s mouth with any regular turning or spin kick. I can spit cold , I thank TKD for this . I’m happy I moved into kick boxing , hard karate , judo and BJJ
Oh wow this took me back, this is the sort of TDK that I did back in the 90s/early 2000s... I tried to start it up again not too long ago and it was nothing like I remembered it being, I thought it was me remembering it wrong, but nope here you have it, TKD when it was actually good.
In 1997 was the year I got the black belt in Taekwondo ... this in this video... was the Taekwondo that I learned back in the 90 and it was here in Brazil learned from my father who was a disciple of master Kim and master Joong ...this is the true taekwondo... the Olympics variety is way back to being good, technical, and full (punch, clinches, drops, and kicks).
A small side note about the Karate masters. they would learn a little thing called "muscle memory" at a much later date when they actually entered a full contact matches against boxers, Muay Thai fighters, and South Korean TKD. They soon realized doing the stop short practice every day for years and years there body's developed that muscle memory. And when all of a sudden they wanted to really hit hard there body and mind fought against them and they got there butts handed to them. that being said there are some full contact Karate styles that did not practice stop short punches and kicks. Kyokushin Karate or sometimes called Oyama Karate is a full contact art and smashed all of the other Karate styles. It was basically Olympic style TKD but without the Hogu (chest protector) and head gear. I would see Oyama Karate dominate most all styles of martial arts back in the day. So very strong! Mas Oyama was the founder of this style and a little known fact was he was not Japanese at all. He was actually korean. Back then the Japanese would look down on koreans. So if one could afford to change your name legally a lot of koreans did so as to be allowed to become successful.
Do the Kickboxer and Bloodsport 80's movies! Jean Claude Van Damme at his best! Oh, and thank you very much for ALL your videos... I trained Judo as a kid and BJJ later on, only grappling all my life, until the pandemics started and I had to be in isolation... and so I discovered Shotokan and I'm thrilled to start this way in my early 40's (off course I'm too old to achieve anything, I can't even kick at my head's height), It's a shame I discovered Karate so late, but I'm gratefull I did at least! Domo arigato gozaimashita from Brazil
Now that's more like it! old style competitive taekwondo from my era :) I started training in this style of Taekwondo in the mid-1980s and finally walked away in the early 2000s by which time the sports rules were being tinkered with too much leading to the sad spectacle of today's Olympic taekwondo with lanky guys flicking their front legs at each other looking all flippy-floppy. My personal opinion - I'm biased, I know - is that sport TKD peaked around this era, the mid-late-90s to early 2000s. The commentator picked up stylistic nuances quickly in the video - spinning but kicking in straight lines and not wide circles, leading to faster, stronger kicks; that front leg dolyochagi used as immediate counter, etc. Those Korean University players were THE sh!t back then. My friends and I would spend weekends after training watching vhs tapes of these Korean training sessions and national competitions. Good stuff!
Fighting tkd dudes in the 90's from an Okinawan style myself... the kicks were their entire fights. Punches are mostly to obscure your sight of their movement and the kicks were fast, accurate and powerful. Their center of gravity is easy to remove at almost any time they're within reach. They move more than block, so can be guided easily if you can keep your upper body away from their kicks.
Funny story about the arms up/down thing. My current TKD GM is highly respected in TKD- he's in the TKD Encyclopedia and used to be the bodyguard of General Choi. A few decades ago he was invited to bring his students to Kukkiwon for exhibition sparring and training. The Kukkiwon fighters kept complaining that with the arms up their kicks were being blocked by the elbows and their feet were getting injured. So that is why olympic style keeps their arms down- so nobodies feet get hurt. Needless to say they did not fare well against his students.
One thing that stands out is how little they practiced any turning or spinning kicks. In the 80s, when I practiced TKD, spinning maneuvers were seldom instructed; even at black belt levels the focus was always on power and accuracy through the use of the basic roundhouse, side push kick, and front snap kick. For the past 20 or so years TKD and so much of competitive karate have been viewed with such wide use of these spinning techniques. Is this trend the result of marketing to try and impress the general public, influence judging at competitions, or what? The level of powerful, precise, motion efficient kicking seems to be a rarer and rarer trade in Asian martial arts, at least outside of the Muay Thai, Kyokushin, Japanese/K-1 kickboxing circles.
I do Taekwondo, for a back horse kick usually you just slide the feet when switching position so your body raises less from the floor and when you land the kick your more grounded, same for switching left and right foot forward positions.
one of the first things i learned is how to fight backwards so it means under preasure ! you dont see that today .with tkd its about hips and speed counter and moving all the time ,as you see in the video ! they dont stagnate
I began taekwondo in 90's. That's was the best period until Taekwondo became Olympic. After that, taekwondo changed a lot and become more a sport than martial arts. The video shows the taekwondo I love. Fast, technical and powerful. Only fun. That wasn't the boring taekwondo I saw in the last Olympic games...
in taekwondo (olympic style) we normaly use punches to get 1~2 points when the oponent try to avoid some kick getting closer, normaly we dont see too much punches cuz the electronic protector isnt too precise on punch hitting and sometimes we'd get the point
Old school Taekwondo is way more effective and I've been trained Taekwondo for 15 Years moving from Club to Club now I'm 2nd Dan Black Belt and still got it but still in learning progress and have to explore more in the arts in kicking techniques, acrobats movements and self defense in this type of Korean Martial Arts🇰🇷🥋🙏🏻
Spinning kicks are used usually as a counter attach against the usual roundhouse kick or other kicks its a really good and powerful couter if you time it right
I used to train with a Shotokan guy who moved to our area and there were no Karate schools so he was learning TKD. I was the senior student at our dojang, he was one of the toughest students / partners I ever had. I think he had about 3 or 4 years in Shotokan? I remember he had really, really great balance that helped him a lot to pick up the crazy kicks fast.
For a brief time I studied Shim Shin Do. I had a cousin who was a black belt in it. They boasted about how powerful the attacks were. They refused to go into tournaments because they said that they didn't want to hurt nobody. You really should check out one of their videos.
This is the taekwondo I grew up watching my uncle practice, in early 1990s in remote North East India pads were a luxury and they basically had full contact sparring. And he being a die Bruce Lee fan had gone to extreme level of conditioning himself, crazy guy conditioned his legs to such level which we saw only after we discovered Muay Thai in early 2000s. Many local goons were in the receiving end of his famous kicks. At 50 years old he is still fit like a stallion, unfortunately never got to finish his black belt due to a back injury in an accident despite being the first medallist from our state in nationals( he was called for national camp for 1988 Olympics but wasn't able to go due to politics in our sports department)
These videos are so much cooler than some dudebro just clickbaiting X STYLE ALWAYS GETS DESTROYED Thank you, I feel we should all be able to appreciate each other, and learn.
Good ol' days where going practice means going home with bruises everywhere. Arms and legs, especially front, are guaranteed. Sometimes eyes, lips or jaw as a bonus. I understand the need to tame this wild and brutal Taekwondo in order to be accepted in a more objective game like approach in the Olympics. Local competitions until nationals tend to use the old non electronic hogu so we still play quite similarly to this. However, once we enter the road to the international events, it all changes and we have to learn the foot fencing mode. This is due to electronic hogu makes use of weight sensor to calculate whether a contact is considered a point or not. This weight sensor gives more score to pressures than to hits, so despite the player feels more hurting damage, it may not score because snap kicks tend to be pulled back faster than push kicks. The rather weird rules are: kicks to the head is awarded even if you just do a light touch, puches to the trunk is awarded a point only if your opponent shakes. I guess it's to add difficulty and makes it more interesting but yeah, still weird. Indeed something like 2020 armor may change the tide, but their road is rocky (not only from WTF, but Daedo won't be happy to see their business gets disrupted). Slow progress, but I think there IS a progress as I've seen it used in some local events, even if only as an exhibition. You don't have to go back this far. Something in the mid-2000 still shows a good fight. 2004 olympics should still show multiple kicks exchange that's hard to tell who should be awarded for points and how many.
the kick at 8:05 is a hook kick, so instead of snapping your leg out you snap it towards your body/opponent. Either to close distance or knock them out with your heel.
The Taekwondo that I trained under was more of a self defense/counter by my coach. He had to split classes into two because there were many people who joined as a sport/exercise while people like me are aiming to win a fight since I grew up in a rough neighbourhood. To win a fight, you aim to KO your opponent. Which is why we emphasized on speed and core strength. I lacked of core strength but had the speed so what I was taught is to use my weight for thrusts, swings and reverse kicks to build up more momentum for the strike. Guard up for hand swings, avoid kicks and thrusts. Our motto was "Run if you can, fight to death if you can't" Made us look cool as fuck but also attracted many unwanted attention and fights. One of our member almost killed a guy who decided to mug him on a quiet night.
1:58 やればいい。事実だ。 この表現は過去運動選手や軍隊でよく使われた教訓ですね。空手専門家がテコンドーをライバル意識を持って分析する姿は良いですね。 You can do it. It's true. This expression was often used in athletes and the military in the past.It's nice to see karate experts analyze Taekwondo with a sense of rivalry.
I started traditional ITF style Tae Kwon-do in 1998, it was all like this back in the day, some was kinda like Cobra Kai in a way, doing fist push ups on rough loose bitumen gravel etc...lol But we also did a lot of blocking and punching as well, this video barely shows anything outside of kicking! lol We also have "Kata" too, it is a Korean name though. My favourite one was the one for the belt before 1st Dan Black Belt where it has a 360 degree spinning kick in it.
I did TKD from around 1982-92. We used punches, but it had to be a reverse punch, front stance, to the body only, and had to knock the opponent back to score. Sometimes, even a good strong punch would go unrecognized by the judges...so I guess everyone just stopped punching. Abundance of left leg kicks was probably training to strengthen weak side.
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I prefer Old school TaeKwonDo because I grew up with it when I started at 7 years old. I'm now 30 and there's a huge difference. Not only sparring, but forms (poomsae/hyong) and the philosophy itself. These days, I feel like the emphasis is more on performance/show, sparring/competition and politics more so than the self defence part. But this might just be me and my opinion :)
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I like the OLD Taekwon-Do bcoz it has more emphasis on power and rapid attacks + counter as well. They also put their hands up for blocking and they do punch although may not be punching as much as ITF Taekwondo version.
The new WTF taekwondo focusing on "point scoring" aspect way too much😅😅
Btw, my friends and I looking forward to see your reaction and opinions regarding OLD/NEW ITF Taekwon-Do sparring. Thanks sensei😁
I prefer Old Taekwondo. I got shodan in TKD when I was young and that's the style I'm familiar with. However, I think NEW Taekwondo is heading to a good direction. A friend of mine actually continues the study of TKD and he is now an owner of a TKD school. Visiting his school, NEW Taekwondo has better training method compared to the Old days. It is safer and more uniformed than before (Poomsae is so much more uniformed now compared to the old days). The sparring nowadays focus a lot on speed than power because of the new point system. In the Old days, head and chest are all one point (thus, we practice double roundhouse A LOT, because we want to maximize our points).
Old school tkd is a lot more fun to train and watch. I've been trying to implement more of these techniques into my training and it feels so good to catch someone with a solid hit unlike the lighter taps that have become common in modern tkd
The worst thing happened to Tae Kwon do was bringing it up to the Olympics. Tae Kwon Do is a beautiful martial art focused on speed and power. TKD kicks are beautiful, fast and powerful. Now when you watch a TKD match, unfortunately, you don't see that beauty anymore.
@ikmal fakimal Totally agreed, I practiced TKD Jidokwan in the early 90's. It was completely different at what you see now.
Itf taekwondo is what remains
wdym you still see the speed when you watch sparring matches, thats what its about nowadays, speed
Agreed. Olympic Tae Kwon Do is not really a martial art, in my opinion. It is just a T-rex type of kick-fest pretending that fighters do not have arms or fists.
Agreee
The difference in training for POWER rather than POINTS.
TKD players hit harder these days, the movement is so abbreviated and efficient you can't see it loaded up though.
@bhauger1 but someone with a conditioned body will do well with just a little boxing training on top of the tkd.
@@xyaeiounn no they don't they literally tap people with their toes and I do taekwondo and yes, I have sparred before it just feels like toe tapping.
@@amyth8388 Sounds like you're at a McDojo. Go to an international level tournament and ask an athlete warming up to tap you. TKD was the event with the most injuries in the 2000 Olympics, nearly all foot and shin fractures and bruises.
I've been a ref at my country's Olympic selection tournaments, it's not toe-tapping.
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@@xyaeiounn 2000s taekwondo is very different than taekwondo in 2020. Electronic scoring drastically changed the style. I sparred (been beaten up by) 4 worlds paprticipants and 1988 olympic silver medalist. The recent world champion hit lighter but with more head kicks. They use their front leg more and lean back when kickinh with their rear leg thats why it has less power.
I like this channel, the Karate sensei is humble and open minded.
Thanks so much! I will openmindedly be reviewing other martial arts on this channel!
@@KarateDojowaKu thanks for being so respectful to TKD, you are a nice person.
Very humble. He is a true Martial Artist. Not just a Karate Sensei...We love every style...
Totally agree. No what what your art form, there is something to be had from all.
@@KarateDojowaKu please react to this compilation of Lyoto Machida's karate moves in MMA: ruclips.net/video/CQr950AhbRE/видео.html
Man it's such a shame this style died. Like every martial art that becomes an Olympic sport, the martial art changes for the worst. It's the same with judo. I sure hope Muay Thai or MMA don't get recognized as Olympic sports.
The constant restriction of Judo techniques is such a shame. It used to have so many great leg grab takedowns.
Olympic boxing is still hard, so maybe it's more with how the rules for the Olympic version is set and not the fact that it's in the Olympics!
@@TheCzarsoham its the mums that ruin contact sports. Kevin just got his braces lmaooo
@@TheCzarsoham Nah... Olympic boxing is nothing like professional boxing. They box for points just like in karate
Many places still train like this. It's just the comps that aren't good
The Korean words in the beginning roughly translates to "if you try you can do it, it's a fact" ...basically the Nike motto LOL. Just Do It. Glad people are seeing this. These were the days ^_^ loved training in the 90's
Haha yeah it's exactly like Nike
@@KarateDojowaKu It's also against conventional wisdom to do a back kick when in closed stance. Maybe that was part of what the coach wasn't happy with, the guy didn't try a back kick again...
@@MrHarumakiSensei Did not know that.
@@Samperor It's not impossible to pull off, and you wanna throw one out when countering in closed stance once in a while, just so you don't become predictable... but if you're playing the numbers game, a back kick counter is far more likely to work against an attacker in open stance.
That's why it's worth training up your left leg back kick, to counter all those right-footed fighters.
When someone's training with their jacket on like they just came home from a tekken match, you don't trifle with them lol
People who wear jackets in fights can usually fuck you up
@@hypnoticskull6342 Right they dont seem to think they need to remove extra weight yet.
And on hardwood floors at that!! Hells to the no! I'm gonna apologize and go about my damn way!
There are weightclasses in TKD, so some do this to get down closer to tournaments.
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We use the punch on sparring to cut the enemy's attack, and then be able to counter-attack him. But outside the sparring we use different kinds of hand hits just as karate. Keep making this kind of videos, I love them!! Such a great analysis.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge! Yes I will continue to make videos!
When I trained tae kwon do in the early seventies, it was still very much influenced by it's Shotokan roots. It was even called"Korean karate". It was a fusion of Japanese and Korean techniques; like Shotokan, but with higher stances and more mobile hips. And, of course, very strong kicks. It had some very effective techniques, but that approach seems to have all but disappeared in the current era.
@Rob Koch Yeah, I just don't get the "continuous attack with your arms at your sides" thing. But hey, to each his own...
Realistically, hands down lowers the center of gravity for quicker Mobility. And hands up is not going to stop a kick or even slow it down in most cases.
Also realistically, Taekwondo was a colonial martial art of Japanese occupation. It is an artifact of cultural warfare.
@@richardschatz9992 the arms down position is actually deeply rooted although not as blatant arms down but also out a bit away from body its roots ( and is very effective) is to catch kicks and block as well hands up when you think about it whats it protect that your arm already isnt? ideally traditional TDK one arm down usually the front arm and rear arm is about the waist remember traditional TDK your in more of a side stance not a walking style stance
@@rodrigorodriguez509 traditional TKD has roots dating way back hwa rang do and Hapkido would be a close cousin, the high kicks and flying kicks were developed under Japanese occupation to take Japanese soldiers off horseback
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Nope and nope. This is Korean propaganda that was developed after the Japanese annexation in order to remove traces of Japanese influences from the period following rise in reactionary nationalism.
Tae Kwondo is a modern off-shoot of Shotokan Karate that was taught to Koreans who were conscripted into the Japanese army.
When the annexation ended, these soldiers tweaked the art to focus on kicks and distance its performance from Karate.
Same goes for Hapkido which is a derivative of Jujutsu and Judo.
The idea that Koreans used Tae Kwondo kicks to take Samurai off horses is as ridiculous as it is unrealistic.
Anyone who thinks a person will be able to kick an armored man off a horse without destroying their leg in the process has never touched a horse, armor or kicked a heavy moving target in their lives.
This is the style of taekwondo that I trained in when I earned my Black Belt in 1999. I'm still training now.
Great dedication you have!
Nice, I got mine in 1998 haha, pretty close!
@travis Lol alright.
travis I mean, it’s TKD so....
Same style I started in 87 and earned my Black Belt in 1992. Stayed until 96.
i love how he accurately observe the delivery of Taekwondo turning kicks. (i'm a Taekwondo instructor)
The way my master explained it was using figure skating (of all things) for an analogy. Specifically, the pirouette and how figure skaters could control the speed of rotation.
Do you have any technique for arms/fist/ellbow or it only feet??
Back before tae keondo practitioners weren’t scared of getting hurt or losing. This is the style my master began teaching us until he realized that clients were leaving because it got too tough.
oh man.. I wanted to do tkd but the classes and sparring always seemed so soft, ended up changing to kick boxing + muay thai ( haven't practiced for 3 years now and would love to find somewhere to get the type of training this video shows)
@@komitt I do not know if real "old school" TKD even exists anywhere today. But the old school fighters could get in the ring with anyone from Muay Thai to PKA or Kyokushin. In fact we did. Mike Warren and many other would fight 'PKA' the kickboxing of our time '70s. As well, we would train with each other. Herb Perez a TKD gold medalist from the olympics trained with Paul Vizzio a Kickboxing champion, who came from Fu Jaw Pai. But the hard fighters of TKD are gone. Sad but true.
same
@@johngrossman2180 It does, WT is not as homogenous as it seems.
@@johngrossman2180 Ofc it does, ITF Taekwondo is basically still the same good old Taekwondo as it was in the 40's. WT on the other hand is practically not even Taekwondo.
I spent 8 years in Taekwondo from '86-'94. Our sparring scoring had rules for scoring a point, which they called "Trembling Shock". The strike must physically move the opponent to be scored. The only exception was head kicks, where simple contact was sufficient. The match went one to three rounds, and there was no reset after scoring a point. The only time they'd stop the action was for leaving the ring, or an injury.
Why'd you quit?
@@larryoconnor7094 a combination of going to college, and a medical issue that was giving me fainting spells
👍This young Karate sensei is more matured & impartial than many proud old traditional senseis. Yes, adopt whatever is good for u, no matter which style. And most of all, do not shut your mind to think yours is superior.
I like open mind people
I started TKD in 97 at 14 years old and competed up into the early 2000's. I miss this style of training and fighting.
We're about the same age and started training around the same time... I started at 13 in 1999. First generation Korean immigrant as my instructor. Much different than how it is now, even in his school. I think as he's aged and realized the American culture, he sees how he can make more money/retain membership softening his teaching. When he was younger and hungry, he whooped our ASSES
1 big thing I notice is that their stance isn't completely side on, it looks closer to a neutral fight stance.
Oh yeah interesting point!
I mean when you see this, Hwoarang doesn’t feel so unrealistic anymore 🤔
I appreciate his open assessment coming from another style.
In traditional Taekwondo sparring in the past, one guards with hands (although poorly compared to kickboxing), and when closing to the opponent after a kick, throw a punch into the opponent's body to interrupt opponent's next move or push to make distance, and then immediately perform a roundhouse kick.
And quickly changing the left and right stance, moving forward, placing importance on the fast roundhouse kick left and right combo.
I'm born 1971 and did taekwondo 1981-2000 and... In all honesty, these guys are exceptional. Their catlike reflexes... Many black belts in Thailand and Sweden where I've been practicing didn't look this good. Some did but not the entire class. Many real good competitors trained like this like 1-2 hrs after "regular" class. Just to sharpen their game before a big tournament. But Korea is Korea... Especially in the 90s. I believe you could or can be a Dr in taekwondo there. Many thanks man. Like your unbiased style😊
I'm right handed but a stronger left kicker. I've studied Tae Kwon Do in the late 90's and Kenpo later. I moved away once and could no longer study Tae Kwon Do, and took up Kenpo which was available in my town. A year later I returned to my old Tae Kwon Do school while in town, and the Instructor said he could certainly tell I had switched to Karate. Very interesting what you said what makes Tae Kwon Do kicks special.
4:12 - A reverse backwards side kick is a perfect weapon in TKD against people who are looking to close the distance. It's a devasting weapon.
OH for that part I was talking about closing in the distance to the other guy as a counter!
Yeah,it is also my favorite kick, someone approached me and i used the reverse backwards side kick to counter him,he blocked with his leg and he said his leg was sore for 3 days,as i am not very flexible,i spent a lot of time on this kick and i made it my ultimate counter attack
@@KarateDojowaKu Jamming kicks was a favourite counter of mine in TKD, especially against opponents who like to use reverse hook/crescent kicks. A proper reverse side kick (chambered early) is almost impossible to nullify completely. Once it backfired though, because my opponent was wearing a plastic knee brace, which hit me in the ribs when I closed distance to counter a reverse crescent kick.
Karate Dojo waKu check out Joe Rogan performing this kick. If you want to see some scary power, Joe will scare ya.
We used to compete in Karate tournaments. We had trouble handling all the face punches, but our TKD back kicks worked very well against the karate fighters.
I've trained taekwondo for 12 years straight and these guys remind me of the old days, when i watch the new taekwondo, the way they spar and compete is literally a joke, watching this, made me scared and reminded me of how good of a sport it was.
Is joe Rogan's style a older style of taekwondo. his kicks are crazy powerful, more than most taekwondo practitioners I see today
Yes it is
Joe Rogan is just over two years older than me and stopped competing at about the same time as I first travelled internationally to compete. He's a tragic who's wangled fame from media without having one pro bout. He's that wiseguy with shit for brains you know at work and uses HGH to try to stay athletic into his 50s. I don't know why he's ever mentioned in any discussion about martial arts.
@@xyaeiounn Joe was 4 time state champion , one time Us open champion, and came second in the world championship. At least that’s what he said on his podcast. Is that bs credentials ? I wouldn’t spontaneously say so. A lot of competitors he had to beat to get those titles.
@@joyousnomad1 I don't think it's taking anything away from his amateur record to say that he's a tragic.
He did well in some competitions and he can talk about combat sports, he's been there.
Any time someone starts to talk him up though, I have to remember he's from a time where TKD wasn't really international and the standards were trash compared to now. I'm from just after that time, i remember it. Saying his kicks are real strong and asking is he doing some old-school, more legit form of TKD is just wrong-headed.
@@xyaeiounn aww is someone upset? Bruh he just didn’t want to fucking compete and went to the UFC get over it he’s still a black belt and a talented martial artist you claim your not taking anything away from him even though that’s exactly what you just did
I have no idea why I got recommended your video but since I've been training TKD for many years that made me smile... that's how I learnt, that's how I trained my students, two became county champions, sadly they often lost on points once we started using electronic equipment. Now we just train for fun. Thank you for your open-minded evaluation!
Sport TKD competition changed in response to competition rules. What you learn overall in class maybe different than what you see in sport competition. If the TKD is traditional it will include a wider variety of techniques.
I was originally trained in the traditional form of Taekwondo back in 1982-1987. I left to the military and life happened. 35 years later I’m continuing my journey and I have to say that I’m glad I learned the old style, I also believe the new Olympic style will be complimented because of it.
This is cool. Reminds me of a couple Korean TKD fighters that would knock me around when I did Kyokushin.
I love Muay Thai honestly one of the more interesting martial arts if you could react to it that would be cool
That should becoming your soon! Thanks for the comment!
Karate Dojo waKu Yea thank you love your content
@@KarateDojowaKu check out Sylvie von Duuglas-Ittu for that. She's a pro Muay Thai fighter who's trying to get the Guinness World Record for most number of pro fights. She was until recently with Petchrungruang Gym in Pattaya. She trains with some of the best Nak Muays from the 90s like Yodkunpon and Dieselnoi & she fights girls who are bigger than her most of the time, including kard chuek fights where the fists are wrapped in rope & the only way to win is by KO. Her pro record is 170-73-10, 89 KOs.
Skiamakhos Silvie is an absolute monster
Before, our goal for every kick was to knock out the opponent and end the fight early. That’s why we were so obsessed with effective high kicks and risky turning kicks to the head.
To train in hardcore tkd was the most unforgettable experience I ever had.
The athens olympics taekwondo competition for me was the best. I believe it had the most knock outs
Thank you for uploading and giving us all something to be excited about. 👌✊✌
Just stumbled across your video. The sign says “If you just do it, it will work. That’s a fact.” What coach sounds unintelligible even though I speak fluent Korean lol. There are many review videos where they just try to knock other martial arts saying theirs is better and all. Rating and disregarding some martial arts just because they think theirs is superior. Thank you for being open-minded, humbly recognizing other martial art’s (tkd’s) strengths and uniqueness. All martial arts are great in their respective strengths and disciplines. You truly deserve the title of Master.
Thank you for reacting on our video 🥋👍
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I'm so glad this guy does not pause the video. As a karate practitioner this really has me thinking do you Taekwondo folk do punch striking too? Or just kicks please tell me!
As an old school Taekwondo guy I can tell you, the further back you go the higher the hands get. We kick going backwards and side to side too.
My father learned Taekwondo in the 80s and later on taught me. I got made fun of a lot for practicing it, but as I didn't get taught the competitive side, rather the actual martial art, I never had a problem to defend myself yet.
the sign under the Korean Flag: "All you need to do is do! That's a fact! "
Kukki style power TKD circa 80's to mid 2000. I'm so grateful to learn during this era and still teach the same way till this day with bit more care on knee and functional transition to self defense technique.
Bouncing is like a feint in a way. When you have the ability to cross a meter or more with a powerful kick in one motion because you are throwing yourself into the kick, the bounce can look like the beginning of that kind of movement. The other factor is bouncing can indicate a possible footwork change (left or right), or a potential adjustment in front of the target.
If you aren't used to seeing a person bounce around it can be a bit weird, because you're wondering when an attack might happen or what the person is doing. Hesitating at the wrong time can lead to a kick in the face from a chambered kick even if the foot didn't start firmly in the ground [mid bounce].
The down side is that bouncing around is exhausting, so the longer a match goes the faster you can get tired if you're doing it a lot without payoff. The other downside is that it can telegraph to a person that you are about to do something - so if they know how you fight they might be ready intercept or counter. Sometimes they'll try to go at you between bounces for instance. Careless bouncing can be a problem.
Some people frown on this kind of motion, other people I feel might only recognize the feint aspect subconsciously; instead they might just be trying to hype themselves up or buy time to gauge distance. When I trained with some karate students in a spar they were really thrown off by bouncing even if it was light, since they only knew static forms. It's kind of strange how the smallest thing can throw a person off if they aren't receptive to something they've never seen before. Some students froze up, others complained to the instructor. Imagine if they went up against penjak silat or kung fu with a low stance like mantis or monkey? I really feel it's best to be exposed to stuff outside one's style at least so that they might not be shocked when a blow comes from an unexpected method or angle.
This brings back memories 😊 ❤ I started in 1986 we didn't use gear then..lots of blood, sweat and tears..
Hello.
Please react to the "1969 Professional Karate Championships" for a taste of old school American karate
It's definitely worth the watch, it's a very interesting time in the early days of karate becoming popular in the US
Thank you karate sensei,, greetings from the Netherland
These guys are the real deal! Good video...
I'm so, SO glad my first master taught me Tae Kwon Do this way. My new school is slightly more focused on the new style but my current master still helps me keep the tradition of old school TKD. It's cool to have a balance.
I started training in TKD in 1989, right before I turned 5 yrs old (I was his youngest student at the time). My instructor was actually one of the coaches for the US Olympic Team. The way he taught how to properly spin was by comparing it to figure skaters. In order to maintain balance, you only turn your head in single movements, rather than let it spin with your body. Basically quick 180 degree shifts. It helps reduce dizziness.
Wow!!! Those kicks are amazing! So quick! Very impressive.
You convinced me to subscribe at 5:02. Very good observation. Also your english is very good.
I trained with Korean practitioners like this back in the day and all can say is, man, they were super fast and powerful!
The potential of Taekwondo kicks is very high. The reason why the kicks are so fast and can travel a long distance is firstly due to the relaxed lower body as you mentioned, but also because of physical benefits of linear and circular movements. For example basically all our kicks from the front start the same way. Our kicking leg is parallel to our pivoting leg at first, and after it passes that the actual technique shows, be it a front kick, a roundhouse kick (different versions), axe kick, hook kick etc. The engagement of the hip is very important, THAT'S where the power is mostly coming from. In other movements, such as the so called "Spinning hook kick" , we switch between circular and straight movements to get momentum + speed + control, and use our whole body to kick (not just our legs). Just a small Info about TKD kicks
I really like how well you interacted with what was going on. Your calling out the timing of the kicks and such show your experience.
I am very late on this video. This video made me cry. I grew up learning this style. I am a two time world, three time national champion I fought for Korea in Korean world open. I took a very long break and I have a family. I didn’t know TKD changed so much!!!
The hands down is for baiting the opponent to come to them or stand in place. Great video.
Almost felt old hearing that Yusuke-sensei was born the year after me, but then it hit me that we have the same age
Yeah this is how we trained back when too for our school. It was just like this. We keep our spins tight that gives us speed, accuracy, harder to intercept or defend against, and makes the kicks hit harder too. When doing a turn back side kick or a hop back kick your knees touch. For instance you turn your feet so they are in alignment with your opponent and then throw the kick straight back. Note you turn your feet as you are moving your legs for the hop back kick version and so it makes it faster.
Also you can use the hop back kick as an offensive kick by jumping forward not just a counter kick which is also really use good of the kick. When i use to do spinning hook kicks I would slide my foot nearly touching my leg and body as I spun which gave me a super tight spin and super fast spinning kick. I love you karate guys I spared one in college for MMA and he was really tough.
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Total respect to you, Yuskue, for showing admiration for the skills of martial artists from other styles. What I have noticed over the years is that far fewer people are likely to make simple, naive comparisons between different martial arts as we all now know that no style is perfect and each has its weaknesses and strengths. MMA grew out of the need to combine the best of striking and grappling arts because of this realisation. It wasn't that long ago when every man and his dog would sneer at TKD saying it was ineffective, but now it seems everyone in MMA is trying to incorporate the deadly kicking techniques of TKD into their armamentarium. Like they say, take what is useful and discard the rest. I have been hit by kicks like the ones in this video and I can tell you they really do knock the stuffing out of you. It’s not so much the kicks that are unique to TKD as the way they are set up and delivered, as the video shows. One other point I'd like to mention is that "old-school" Tae kwon do refers to ITF (as opposed to WTF), which is the style I learned in the late '70s and '80s. My instructor was an All Army Korean champion and he drilled us pretty hard. The ITF TKD curriculum back then contained basic throws (as a part of hoshinsul) and we also tended to use our hands more, too, in close-up fighting and to bridge the gap prior to a delivering a kick, and as a follow up afterwards. I left TKD after it became an Olympic sport as I wasn't happy about where it was headed. I subsequently took up boxing and judo, but mainly because it suited my body type, my age and preference for close-up fighting. TKD has changed a lot since then, but I am not sure if the changes it has undergone have been good for it. But that's just my opinion, of course. Keep up the great work, Yusuke.
This is the type of Tae Kwon Do that I learned, and currently practice. The modern style is a totally different animal. Leg fencing 🤺
Genuinely so nice to see martial artists from different schools acknowledging other school’s strengths :) I train taekwondo, Muay Thai and free style kickboxing and I love trying to find ways to use techniques from each
damn all those dudes are like in their 40s-50s now shieeet
In training, in old TKD, if you put your hands down the Sa Ba Nim would make you walk the Dojang doing forward lunges with 5lb dumbells in each hand. You eventually learned to keep your hands up. Also the whipping forward lunge with the kicks, when you first get it down it feels like your core is being torn out of your body. We would practice shifting our hips back and forth so that our belt would whip back and forth, then we would learn to expand the coil of the whip through our body, from the hips down to the leg. The kicks would start to have a snap to them that made the point of impact feel deeper than the surface of contact. Whipping and snapping kicks have a lot more power than people that use crushing and pushing kicks would think.
I competed Internationally in the late 1990’s, the issue with a the style change from the 90’s to the present happened because of the type of electronic gear used to record real time scoring. There were to types in contention. One needed more power to activate the other needed less power and contact to activate as a score. The more sensitive version was adopted which changed the overall style of the competitions today.
Sport Taekwondo: WTF
Real Taekwondo: ITF
All I see is the usual WTF.
Old school Wtf is the best taekwondo, itf is light contact bs
I do ITF style taekwondo (more old-style?) and we keep our arms up in a guard constantly as you can punch to the head as well as kick. Whereas WTF keep their arms down (Olympic style) as they can’t punch to the head so they don’t need to guard it.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge! I will be reviewing ITF next, so please look forward to that as well!
ITF all the way and it’s true. WTF came out of not being able to agree on Taekwondo being taught how the general wanted it to be.
I like this guy. I'm going to watch more of his vids.
The guy that impresses is using Jeet Kune Do.
Thats the step you see and he is pretty good at it.
I have taught that for years with a few other styles at the same time.
A nice blend to get down to business with a quickness.
I taught another instructor my concept in America and he is now teaching it full time.
Its all about understanding your energy and learning how to use it.
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I started TKD wanted to try out for Olympic team 1999 . 19 years old . TKD is best for learning speed timing Raytheon and flexibility. My punches were not good . I’m 40 ( 2020) and could slap a popsicle stick from someone’s mouth with any regular turning or spin kick. I can spit cold , I thank TKD for this . I’m happy I moved into kick boxing , hard karate , judo and BJJ
Oh wow this took me back, this is the sort of TDK that I did back in the 90s/early 2000s... I tried to start it up again not too long ago and it was nothing like I remembered it being, I thought it was me remembering it wrong, but nope here you have it, TKD when it was actually good.
In 1997 was the year I got the black belt in Taekwondo ... this in this video... was the Taekwondo that I learned back in the 90 and it was here in Brazil learned from my father who was a disciple of master Kim and master Joong ...this is the true taekwondo... the Olympics variety is way back to being good, technical, and full (punch, clinches, drops, and kicks).
A small side note about the Karate masters. they would learn a little thing called "muscle memory" at a much later date when they actually entered a full contact matches against boxers, Muay Thai fighters, and South Korean TKD. They soon realized doing the stop short practice every day for years and years there body's developed that muscle memory. And when all of a sudden they wanted to really hit hard there body and mind fought against them and they got there butts handed to them. that being said there are some full contact Karate styles that did not practice stop short punches and kicks. Kyokushin Karate or sometimes called Oyama Karate is a full contact art and smashed all of the other Karate styles. It was basically Olympic style TKD but without the Hogu (chest protector) and head gear. I would see Oyama Karate dominate most all styles of martial arts back in the day. So very strong! Mas Oyama was the founder of this style and a little known fact was he was not Japanese at all. He was actually korean. Back then the Japanese would look down on koreans. So if one could afford to change your name legally a lot of koreans did so as to be allowed to become successful.
Do the Kickboxer and Bloodsport 80's movies! Jean Claude Van Damme at his best! Oh, and thank you very much for ALL your videos... I trained Judo as a kid and BJJ later on, only grappling all my life, until the pandemics started and I had to be in isolation... and so I discovered Shotokan and I'm thrilled to start this way in my early 40's (off course I'm too old to achieve anything, I can't even kick at my head's height), It's a shame I discovered Karate so late, but I'm gratefull I did at least! Domo arigato gozaimashita from Brazil
I am very happy that you've found Shotokan interesting! Please check out other tutorial videos that I make!
Now that's more like it! old style competitive taekwondo from my era :) I started training in this style of Taekwondo in the mid-1980s and finally walked away in the early 2000s by which time the sports rules were being tinkered with too much leading to the sad spectacle of today's Olympic taekwondo with lanky guys flicking their front legs at each other looking all flippy-floppy. My personal opinion - I'm biased, I know - is that sport TKD peaked around this era, the mid-late-90s to early 2000s. The commentator picked up stylistic nuances quickly in the video - spinning but kicking in straight lines and not wide circles, leading to faster, stronger kicks; that front leg dolyochagi used as immediate counter, etc. Those Korean University players were THE sh!t back then. My friends and I would spend weekends after training watching vhs tapes of these Korean training sessions and national competitions. Good stuff!
Fighting tkd dudes in the 90's from an Okinawan style myself... the kicks were their entire fights. Punches are mostly to obscure your sight of their movement and the kicks were fast, accurate and powerful.
Their center of gravity is easy to remove at almost any time they're within reach. They move more than block, so can be guided easily if you can keep your upper body away from their kicks.
Funny story about the arms up/down thing. My current TKD GM is highly respected in TKD- he's in the TKD Encyclopedia and used to be the bodyguard of General Choi. A few decades ago he was invited to bring his students to Kukkiwon for exhibition sparring and training. The Kukkiwon fighters kept complaining that with the arms up their kicks were being blocked by the elbows and their feet were getting injured. So that is why olympic style keeps their arms down- so nobodies feet get hurt.
Needless to say they did not fare well against his students.
Such an inspiring video!
One thing that stands out is how little they practiced any turning or spinning kicks. In the 80s, when I practiced TKD, spinning maneuvers were seldom instructed; even at black belt levels the focus was always on power and accuracy through the use of the basic roundhouse, side push kick, and front snap kick. For the past 20 or so years TKD and so much of competitive karate have been viewed with such wide use of these spinning techniques. Is this trend the result of marketing to try and impress the general public, influence judging at competitions, or what? The level of powerful, precise, motion efficient kicking seems to be a rarer and rarer trade in Asian martial arts, at least outside of the Muay Thai, Kyokushin, Japanese/K-1 kickboxing circles.
I agree!
I do Taekwondo, for a back horse kick usually you just slide the feet when switching position so your body raises less from the floor and when you land the kick your more grounded, same for switching left and right foot forward positions.
one of the first things i learned is how to fight backwards so it means under preasure ! you dont see that today .with tkd its about hips and speed counter and moving all the time ,as you see in the video ! they dont stagnate
I began taekwondo in 90's. That's was the best period until Taekwondo became Olympic. After that, taekwondo changed a lot and become more a sport than martial arts.
The video shows the taekwondo I love. Fast, technical and powerful.
Only fun. That wasn't the boring taekwondo I saw in the last Olympic games...
Old school Taekwondo man right here! Since 1991!
in taekwondo (olympic style) we normaly use punches to get 1~2 points when the oponent try to avoid some kick getting closer, normaly we dont see too much punches cuz the electronic protector isnt too precise on punch hitting and sometimes we'd get the point
Ohh I didn't know there was such a reason. Thanks!
Old school Taekwondo is way more effective and I've been trained Taekwondo for 15 Years moving from Club to Club now I'm 2nd Dan Black Belt and still got it but still in learning progress and have to explore more in the arts in kicking techniques, acrobats movements and self defense in this type of Korean Martial Arts🇰🇷🥋🙏🏻
Spinning kicks are used usually as a counter attach against the usual roundhouse kick or other kicks its a really good and powerful couter if you time it right
Wow those guys are amazing
Yes they surely are!
These are POWERFUL kicks.
My era! Fought full contact in mens light weight blackbelt division! Won Oregon state 3 times. Now I mix TKD with grappling and boxing
I think everyone practicing karate should spar with a taekwondo practitioner. I had such experience and will never forget.
I used to train with a Shotokan guy who moved to our area and there were no Karate schools so he was learning TKD. I was the senior student at our dojang, he was one of the toughest students / partners I ever had. I think he had about 3 or 4 years in Shotokan? I remember he had really, really great balance that helped him a lot to pick up the crazy kicks fast.
For a brief time I studied Shim Shin Do. I had a cousin who was a black belt in it. They boasted about how powerful the attacks were. They refused to go into tournaments because they said that they didn't want to hurt nobody. You really should check out one of their videos.
This is the taekwondo I grew up watching my uncle practice, in early 1990s in remote North East India pads were a luxury and they basically had full contact sparring. And he being a die Bruce Lee fan had gone to extreme level of conditioning himself, crazy guy conditioned his legs to such level which we saw only after we discovered Muay Thai in early 2000s. Many local goons were in the receiving end of his famous kicks. At 50 years old he is still fit like a stallion, unfortunately never got to finish his black belt due to a back injury in an accident despite being the first medallist from our state in nationals( he was called for national camp for 1988 Olympics but wasn't able to go due to politics in our sports department)
Damn.politics...
These videos are so much cooler than some dudebro just clickbaiting X STYLE ALWAYS GETS DESTROYED
Thank you, I feel we should all be able to appreciate each other, and learn.
Yeah this is the way I remember learned Taekwondo in the 90s.
I trained under Kim Stones , the 1991 World Champion
Good ol' days where going practice means going home with bruises everywhere. Arms and legs, especially front, are guaranteed. Sometimes eyes, lips or jaw as a bonus. I understand the need to tame this wild and brutal Taekwondo in order to be accepted in a more objective game like approach in the Olympics.
Local competitions until nationals tend to use the old non electronic hogu so we still play quite similarly to this. However, once we enter the road to the international events, it all changes and we have to learn the foot fencing mode.
This is due to electronic hogu makes use of weight sensor to calculate whether a contact is considered a point or not. This weight sensor gives more score to pressures than to hits, so despite the player feels more hurting damage, it may not score because snap kicks tend to be pulled back faster than push kicks. The rather weird rules are: kicks to the head is awarded even if you just do a light touch, puches to the trunk is awarded a point only if your opponent shakes. I guess it's to add difficulty and makes it more interesting but yeah, still weird.
Indeed something like 2020 armor may change the tide, but their road is rocky (not only from WTF, but Daedo won't be happy to see their business gets disrupted). Slow progress, but I think there IS a progress as I've seen it used in some local events, even if only as an exhibition.
You don't have to go back this far. Something in the mid-2000 still shows a good fight. 2004 olympics should still show multiple kicks exchange that's hard to tell who should be awarded for points and how many.
the kick at 8:05 is a hook kick, so instead of snapping your leg out you snap it towards your body/opponent. Either to close distance or knock them out with your heel.
The Taekwondo that I trained under was more of a self defense/counter by my coach. He had to split classes into two because there were many people who joined as a sport/exercise while people like me are aiming to win a fight since I grew up in a rough neighbourhood. To win a fight, you aim to KO your opponent. Which is why we emphasized on speed and core strength. I lacked of core strength but had the speed so what I was taught is to use my weight for thrusts, swings and reverse kicks to build up more momentum for the strike. Guard up for hand swings, avoid kicks and thrusts.
Our motto was "Run if you can, fight to death if you can't" Made us look cool as fuck but also attracted many unwanted attention and fights. One of our member almost killed a guy who decided to mug him on a quiet night.
1:58 やればいい。事実だ。 この表現は過去運動選手や軍隊でよく使われた教訓ですね。空手専門家がテコンドーをライバル意識を持って分析する姿は良いですね。
You can do it. It's true. This expression was often used in athletes and the military in the past.It's nice to see karate experts analyze Taekwondo with a sense of rivalry.
I started traditional ITF style Tae Kwon-do in 1998, it was all like this back in the day, some was kinda like Cobra Kai in a way, doing fist push ups on rough loose bitumen gravel etc...lol But we also did a lot of blocking and punching as well, this video barely shows anything outside of kicking! lol We also have "Kata" too, it is a Korean name though. My favourite one was the one for the belt before 1st Dan Black Belt where it has a 360 degree spinning kick in it.
You should check out lethwei, it’s similar to Muay Thai buys its bare knuckle and you can use headbutts. Plus you can only win by knockout.
I did TKD from around 1982-92. We used punches, but it had to be a reverse punch, front stance, to the body only, and had to knock the opponent back to score. Sometimes, even a good strong punch would go unrecognized by the judges...so I guess everyone just stopped punching. Abundance of left leg kicks was probably training to strengthen weak side.
This is (maybe was cuz the rules are change) the olimpic tkd and the fists were almost useless in competition so closing the distance is a good option