As a tiges fan who loves Baker, Bolton and Rioli, Kingy actually swayed me a bit with the hypothetical glut of picks that would come in. Bolton himself is still quite young though so I don’t love the idea of trading him
I agree the picks sound nice, you'd ideally move most of them to get something like 1, 5 and 10. But I think we need to keep 1 of Bolton, Baker or rioli. You need experience to teach draftees how to play, we've seen pick #1s go to poor teams with little leadership and they flop. So you need experienced stars to teach the future
Melbourne fans feel exactly the same way. Verrall and Fullarton deserve a spot wayyyyy more than Petty. We'll happily offload Petty, Schache and Billings for a packet of chips. Won't be surprised if Tomlinson and Fullarton leave, guys deserve better
@@cammakarzy Amazing that Schache plays so well in the VFL; but when he enters the AFL, he can't hold a mark or get a kick. At the WB, he just could not cope with pressure. Melbourne fancied itself as being able to help him overcome his fear of getting hurt.
Echoing what someone else said in the comments when I say, footy isn't what it used to be and it may be a silly and obvious statement but we have so many rule changes year over year and even mid year too. AFL needs to come out with the rules pre season, set them and stick to them for the rest of the year, have a review at the off season of what worked and what didn't work well and look at what you can improve. The players look lost half the time when the whistle blows they don't know which way its going and who did what wrong.
The players know the criteria for the Brownlow before the season starts, it would be unfair for whoever wins it to give it up because it was expected to be Isaac's. I understand your frustration and I would like change for this too but you can't turn around mid year because the favourite is out of the race.
Brownlow - if you get a week and only one week over the year, you are still eligible. The fact that the player misses a week removes the potential for them to accumulate more votes so that is enough!
Hit the nail on the head. I would go 1 step further and remove suspensions altogether. If someone gets rubbed out for 3 games, then virtually impossible to win the Brownlow anyhow because 0 votes for 3 weeks. I mean it's a self-tuning vote isn't it? What is fair when the Brownlow was invented is not what is fair now. The only thing is what to do about financial sanctions instead of suspensions - maybe a financial sanction could be -1. Punters that moan 'leave the game alone' are stuck in a time warp when dinosaurs wandered around the place.
The threshold for suspension is so much lower than it used to be, players get a week for such minor accidents these days. The eligibility for awards needs to move with the times and allow for that reality.
The Brownlow does affect the coaches. Imagine the mindset of a player when he comes back from a suspension knowing they can still win vs knowing they’re out of the run. Knowing they can still win but missing a game probably means they come back in hungrier.
Players should never go out there to play for individual accolades. If you have a player on a team who is playing purely for the browlow. I'd argue that player isnt playing for the team.
If Charlie Curnow is under-performing what does that say about all the other goal kickers trailing him in the Coleman Medal race. Did you mention any Collingwood players?
He's got the most opportunity but is performing the worst considering the opportunity and time he plays forward. If the other forwards had the chances he had, plus the free kicks, they'd be well in front. Ben King and Jake Waterman as an example have missed multiple games this season.
@@Littleyeti7 Defenders should go for the ball rather than holding on. In any case, Charlie Curnow does not receive the most free kicks in the league. Defenders should take him on one-on-one in contests. What's wrong? Scared, like Darcy Moore was in last year's loss to the Blues where he panicked all game and gave aways silly free kicks. .
@@Littleyeti7 What a load of nonsense. Show the stats to back up your hatred. Both Charlie and Harry are often double teamed and scragged off the ball. Defenders will get caught sometimes. Beat them one-on-one What's wrong? Scared?
West Coast haven't even started their rebuild yet. Hell they just went and signed Yeo for 3 years. That's doing the opposite. One of the only players with currency.
Sorry Kingy I’m very confident Plugger got 4 weeks for swinging is arm back and catching Guy McKenna so to say in the past this wouldn’t have earned a suspension is incorrect.
Footy is chamging so much, its still good, but its getting to the point where its just getting a bit soft off the ball, on the ball stuff is fine, but let them go, a little bit, its a physical, emotional game
Can someone tell me why WB coach Bevo keeps dropping skilled players, and placing rookies in key positions, against seasoned opponents? And why does he have so many players wander off their opponents when they have control of the ball? Crazy. Bevo seems to be doing his best to sink his team to the bottom.
Is gaining separation from a player due another player holding while not in play? Which is pretty much holding the man? Just saying, throughout the whole game there is wrapping around players trying to retard them pretty sure that's same and also a contributor to why the player is trying to get separation?? The afl can make changes on the fly when they want but not when the game needs it?
If he wasn't in contention for the Brownlow or it was just any run of the mill player, this wouldn't even be a discussion. The fact that he is theoretically polling well for an award should have zero bearing on his guilt or innocence. The AFL told everyone that this action would be graded intentional before the season started, so they all knew. Plus the AFL has about zero consistency so why would you do an action that takes your destiny out of your hands and puts it into those of the tribunal? I'm sure he didn't mean to do it, but in the end he smashed a guy in the face with a clenched fist.....much the same as those players who chose to hip and shoulder but just get it wrong and make contact with the head.
Spot on. I'm assuming the majority of the people upset with the outcome had money on him winning it but you're right, if it was anyone else, no one would care.
Rioli for 2 first rounders and Baker and Bolton for 4 first rounders??? Spell please. good players but massive overpays. Bolton for 2 first rounders I could kind of understand
I think that the point that Everyone misses every time someone is knocked out of Brownlow contention and everyone starts wingeing, is that it’s the best and FAIREST award. Doing something against the rules, to such a degree that they are given a suspension, means that they were not fair enough to win the Brownlow medal. That is the way it has been, that is the way it is. Until someone changes that, we should all settle down and get on with seeing which team wins the flag.
An interesting discussion is, if a player becomes ineligible for a brownlow say in the middle of the year. And umpires know it, why are they giving votes to the player. It makes no sense as an award that umpires give votes to ineligible players.
Why don’t they have a point system where the threshold is say 1000 points and this would keep Heney in the mix for a Brownlow … Fines are not good … don’t take food off the table of the players who give up so much to make it. Once you have reached ex amount of points then fine ….
It was always thus with suspensions and the Brownlow. Standards change and what got you rubbed out in 95 didn’t get you rubbed out in 82 - that’s life. There’s literally no difference to what’s happening today. Why change the rules now? We gonna give mckernan and grant their brownlows?
IF you are going to consider the Brownlow in deciding the guilt of a player, then remove the "fairest" from the award. Otherwise stfu about it and leave it alone.
Corey McKernan was suspended for 1 week for a tripping offence & missed out on tying the brownlow / potentially winning it outright in 96… 12 months later they changed the rules so the penalty would only be a fine. Rules have been tinked with so much, payers cop a week for landing what was considered an effective tackle less than 10 years ago
@@Stewf85 Dont worry I know. I am a North supporter. My point is that if Heeny had been someone not in contention, it's a week no questions. Why should the fact that he could potentially win a Brownlow change the way we view his (or anyone elses) offence. If we feel it should be downgraded because he might win, then we are accepting that the "fairest" isn't that important any longer. So in that case, let's get rid of that as a criteria. If not, then we have to not even allow Brownlow contention to enter the conversation. BTW, I am on the fence, but I realise we can't have it both ways.
Simple solution, scrap the Brownlow altogether. After all, it's voted for by the most inept, biased individuals in the sport of AFL. Surely the Coaches Award or Players Association Award carry more credibility in a national comp than some ancient tradition from the bygone VFL era.
If the umpires had done their job & stopped that clown from scragging Isaac all game He would not have had to belt him to get him off him. The umpires should be suspended not Isaac.
Yep, Kane spot on with the threshold. Should’ve been done like that years ago. Backwards competition that is honestly dying out in the next 10 years IMO. Other sports taking over massively like basketball and soccer in aus.
@@ShoeSnatchinWilly Crowd average attendance for mens A League peaked in season 2013 with 13,000. This years the average attendance is 8,000. For the women's competition the average attendance 2,200. Joke competition.
As a tiges fan who loves Baker, Bolton and Rioli, Kingy actually swayed me a bit with the hypothetical glut of picks that would come in. Bolton himself is still quite young though so I don’t love the idea of trading him
I agree the picks sound nice, you'd ideally move most of them to get something like 1, 5 and 10. But I think we need to keep 1 of Bolton, Baker or rioli. You need experience to teach draftees how to play, we've seen pick #1s go to poor teams with little leadership and they flop. So you need experienced stars to teach the future
Melbourne fans feel exactly the same way. Verrall and Fullarton deserve a spot wayyyyy more than Petty. We'll happily offload Petty, Schache and Billings for a packet of chips. Won't be surprised if Tomlinson and Fullarton leave, guys deserve better
@@cammakarzy Amazing that Schache plays so well in the VFL; but when he enters the AFL, he can't hold a mark or get a kick. At the WB, he just could not cope with pressure. Melbourne fancied itself as being able to help him overcome his fear of getting hurt.
Echoing what someone else said in the comments when I say, footy isn't what it used to be and it may be a silly and obvious statement but we have so many rule changes year over year and even mid year too. AFL needs to come out with the rules pre season, set them and stick to them for the rest of the year, have a review at the off season of what worked and what didn't work well and look at what you can improve. The players look lost half the time when the whistle blows they don't know which way its going and who did what wrong.
One of the funniest Fridays I’ve watched. Good stuff lads
If Heeney polls the most votes, I would love the Brownlow winner to refuse to accept the award. That would cause a ripple that might lead to change.
The players know the criteria for the Brownlow before the season starts, it would be unfair for whoever wins it to give it up because it was expected to be Isaac's. I understand your frustration and I would like change for this too but you can't turn around mid year because the favourite is out of the race.
Brownlow - if you get a week and only one week over the year, you are still eligible. The fact that the player misses a week removes the potential for them to accumulate more votes so that is enough!
OMG can everyone stop trying to change the bloody rules every year and just leave this amazing game as it is.
Hit the nail on the head. I would go 1 step further and remove suspensions altogether. If someone gets rubbed out for 3 games, then virtually impossible to win the Brownlow anyhow because 0 votes for 3 weeks. I mean it's a self-tuning vote isn't it? What is fair when the Brownlow was invented is not what is fair now. The only thing is what to do about financial sanctions instead of suspensions - maybe a financial sanction could be -1. Punters that moan 'leave the game alone' are stuck in a time warp when dinosaurs wandered around the place.
The threshold for suspension is so much lower than it used to be, players get a week for such minor accidents these days.
The eligibility for awards needs to move with the times and allow for that reality.
The Brownlow does affect the coaches. Imagine the mindset of a player when he comes back from a suspension knowing they can still win vs knowing they’re out of the run. Knowing they can still win but missing a game probably means they come back in hungrier.
Players should never go out there to play for individual accolades. If you have a player on a team who is playing purely for the browlow. I'd argue that player isnt playing for the team.
If Charlie Curnow is under-performing what does that say about all the other goal kickers trailing him in the Coleman Medal race.
Did you mention any Collingwood players?
That he gets cheap frees and needs to do more work and get himself actually involved
He's got the most opportunity but is performing the worst considering the opportunity and time he plays forward. If the other forwards had the chances he had, plus the free kicks, they'd be well in front. Ben King and Jake Waterman as an example have missed multiple games this season.
@@TheMemeMachineMatt the softness of the frees he gets relative to most is the sad part. Him and McKay get gifted the worst frees.
@@Littleyeti7 Defenders should go for the ball rather than holding on. In any case, Charlie Curnow does not receive the most free kicks in the league.
Defenders should take him on one-on-one in contests.
What's wrong? Scared, like Darcy Moore was in last year's loss to the Blues where he panicked all game and gave aways silly free kicks. .
@@Littleyeti7 What a load of nonsense. Show the stats to back up your hatred.
Both Charlie and Harry are often double teamed and scragged off the ball. Defenders will get caught sometimes.
Beat them one-on-one
What's wrong? Scared?
West Coast haven't even started their rebuild yet. Hell they just went and signed Yeo for 3 years. That's doing the opposite. One of the only players with currency.
I always laugh at how long they held onto Naitanui
How bout allow the player to be eligible for the Brownlow, but they are penalised -1 vote for each week they're suspended?
Player like Barry Hall will end up with negative 5 votes in a particular season.
Sorry Kingy I’m very confident Plugger got 4 weeks for swinging is arm back and catching Guy McKenna so to say in the past this wouldn’t have earned a suspension is incorrect.
Cornes is on the money with Beveridges time spent at the Doggies
Footy is chamging so much, its still good, but its getting to the point where its just getting a bit soft off the ball, on the ball stuff is fine, but let them go, a little bit, its a physical, emotional game
Can someone tell me why WB coach Bevo keeps dropping skilled players, and placing rookies in key positions, against seasoned opponents? And why does he have so many players wander off their opponents when they have control of the ball? Crazy. Bevo seems to be doing his best to sink his team to the bottom.
Is gaining separation from a player due another player holding while not in play? Which is pretty much holding the man? Just saying, throughout the whole game there is wrapping around players trying to retard them pretty sure that's same and also a contributor to why the player is trying to get separation?? The afl can make changes on the fly when they want but not when the game needs it?
If he wasn't in contention for the Brownlow or it was just any run of the mill player, this wouldn't even be a discussion. The fact that he is theoretically polling well for an award should have zero bearing on his guilt or innocence. The AFL told everyone that this action would be graded intentional before the season started, so they all knew. Plus the AFL has about zero consistency so why would you do an action that takes your destiny out of your hands and puts it into those of the tribunal? I'm sure he didn't mean to do it, but in the end he smashed a guy in the face with a clenched fist.....much the same as those players who chose to hip and shoulder but just get it wrong and make contact with the head.
Spot on. I'm assuming the majority of the people upset with the outcome had money on him winning it but you're right, if it was anyone else, no one would care.
Rioli for 2 first rounders and Baker and Bolton for 4 first rounders??? Spell please. good players but massive overpays. Bolton for 2 first rounders I could kind of understand
I think that the point that Everyone misses every time someone is knocked out of Brownlow contention and everyone starts wingeing, is that it’s the best and FAIREST award.
Doing something against the rules, to such a degree that they are given a suspension, means that they were not fair enough to win the Brownlow medal.
That is the way it has been, that is the way it is.
Until someone changes that, we should all settle down and get on with seeing which team wins the flag.
An interesting discussion is, if a player becomes ineligible for a brownlow say in the middle of the year. And umpires know it, why are they giving votes to the player.
It makes no sense as an award that umpires give votes to ineligible players.
About 60% of the listed players, and plenty of coaches about 80%
Kane bringing up a coach is ironic. Especially when he’s not looking around the Port Adelaide region.
Awesome video from AFL Insight on his bias, right?
Mr King is a smart man.
Haha and you’re a liar
he's not if he thinks Freo are giving up 4x 1st round picks for Bolton and Baker.
🤣
Bolton only.
Baker can fly to his beloved WCE.
How long before Clarkson, Thompson and Hardwick won first of multiple premierships? >5 years!
PS Clarkson's 1st in 3 yrs, 2nd in 8 years
Why don’t they
have a point system where the threshold is say 1000 points and this would keep Heney in the mix for a Brownlow …
Fines are not good … don’t take food off the table of the players who give up so much to make it.
Once you have reached ex amount of points then fine ….
It was always thus with suspensions and the Brownlow. Standards change and what got you rubbed out in 95 didn’t get you rubbed out in 82 - that’s life. There’s literally no difference to what’s happening today. Why change the rules now? We gonna give mckernan and grant their brownlows?
Kane wants Beveridge sacked, but not Hinkley. LOL
Looking forward to kingys misnaming bloopers real
IF you are going to consider the Brownlow in deciding the guilt of a player, then remove the "fairest" from the award. Otherwise stfu about it and leave it alone.
Corey McKernan was suspended for 1 week for a tripping offence & missed out on tying the brownlow / potentially winning it outright in 96… 12 months later they changed the rules so the penalty would only be a fine.
Rules have been tinked with so much, payers cop a week for landing what was considered an effective tackle less than 10 years ago
@@Stewf85 Dont worry I know. I am a North supporter. My point is that if Heeny had been someone not in contention, it's a week no questions. Why should the fact that he could potentially win a Brownlow change the way we view his (or anyone elses) offence. If we feel it should be downgraded because he might win, then we are accepting that the "fairest" isn't that important any longer. So in that case, let's get rid of that as a criteria. If not, then we have to not even allow Brownlow contention to enter the conversation. BTW, I am on the fence, but I realise we can't have it both ways.
Simple solution, scrap the Brownlow altogether. After all, it's voted for by the most inept, biased individuals in the sport of AFL. Surely the Coaches Award or Players Association Award carry more credibility in a national comp than some ancient tradition from the bygone VFL era.
Coaches win premierships in their first 5 yrs? Kevin Sheedy?
Kigy the hawks hater is back
Hawks, Cats, Dockers.. list goes on
Never stopped being a hawk hater lol
Kingy hates football
She should become a cricket analyst or something
@@Gamerskull888 soccer is his go, maybe netball
Nice idea that cornes
If the umpires had done their job & stopped that clown from scragging Isaac all game He would not have had to belt him to get him off him. The umpires should be suspended not Isaac.
biggest thieves in AFL today Andrew Dillon and Laura Kane mega pay packet for dribbling nonsense in their self satisfied smug way
Putting two suburban solicitors in charge of the rules is a recipe for disaster
Brownlow has become irrelevant now anyway. It’s just the award for the midfielder who gets the most touches.
hang on a minute this is just all fuckin meaningless nonsense
Yep, Kane spot on with the threshold. Should’ve been done like that years ago. Backwards competition that is honestly dying out in the next 10 years IMO. Other sports taking over massively like basketball and soccer in aus.
Neither of those sports are overtaking the AFL, delusional 😂
@@ShoeSnatchinWilly Crowd average attendance for mens A League peaked in season 2013 with 13,000. This years the average attendance is 8,000. For the women's competition the average attendance 2,200. Joke competition.
No one cares about Brownlow, just have another medal for Best on ground with no rules.
Most of us care enough about it to spell it correctly champ
Just you mate
@@tks3022Believe me. I am not your mate. Congratulations for making an inane three word comment without punctuation.
Biggest Thief - Jared Polec
Am I deaf
What did you say?
Huh?
Brownlow,meaningless award
Lol why does it say @khabibtheeagle