The Greatest Movie You'll Never See! - Goncharov (1973)
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
- "People like us? We don't get happy endings. We just get to keep going." - 'Ice Pick Joe' Morelli
In this video, I believe that I have made the most comprehensive video essay on the underappreciated 1973 film Goncharov that has been released to date, including restored footage, interviews, and rare behind-the-scenes insight into this forgotten film.
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Marisa BeBeau (She/Her) for graciously letting me interview her.
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Chapters:
0:00 - Gorchakov Summary
8:21 - Spoiler Warning
23:51 - Goncharov's Genius
Bibliography
Benjamin, Walter. The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction. Penguin Books, 1935, pp. 1-26.
Connanro. “Goncharov Master Document.” Google Docs, 20 Nov. 2022, docs.google.com/document/d/1Fbcn96MKyc1Bky6c0Ffex4APtar9iNht8ytfZHPpSss. Accessed 16 Mar. 2023.
Jacobsen, Emily. “Ratatouille the Musical (Full Show).” RUclips, 9 Dec. 2020, • Ratatouille The Musica... . Accessed 15 Mar. 2023.
Juli. “Goncharov Score Masterpost.” Tumblr, 21 Nov. 2022, www.tumblr.com/thisisnotjuli/701573313313587200/goncharov-score-masterpost?source=share. Accessed 16 Mar. 2023.
Lauren Shippen. “Ice Pick Joe Quote.” Tumblr, 1 Nov. 2022, thelaurenshippen.tumblr.com/post/701652426816733184/i-know-that-ice-pick-joe-operates-mostly-as-a. Accessed 15 Mar. 2023.
Marisa BeBeau. “Nico the Catboy Archive.” Sabertoothwalrus, Tumblr, 25 Oct. 2020, sabertoothwalrus.tumblr.com/tagged/nico%20the%20catboy/chrono. Accessed 15 Mar. 2023.
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Развлечения
What was your favorite scene from Goncharov? Let me know in the comments below!
“If you really loved me you wouldn’t have missed” is always a banger. It’s hard to choose though. Goncharov’s little speech while winding up his pocket watch is iconic.
I gotta say the ice pick lobotomy scene is for sure my favorite I especially love the practical effects they used for it :]
I really loved the Leningrad flashback scene, when the group of street scavengers invite a young Goncharov to eat a frozen corpse.
I think the best part about Goncharov is that Martin Scorsese’s in on the joke.
You gotta love a good "Yes, and"
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... They're made of meat?
ITS GONCHIN TIME
Best quote from the movie
For me, Ice Pick Joe’s death is so beautifully shot and emotional; plus, the sadness of Katya’s ending - I’m destroyed every time.💔
Absolutely devastating the first time I watched it. All that man wanted to do was just feed his cats 😢
there's a lot about the movie to love, but people SLEEP on the musical score, which is itself a work of genius.
the use of Goncharov's lullaby as a motif throughout the film is amazing, especially at the end - it's a perfect representation of Goncharov as a divided man, and showcases his duality. the jump cuts between goncharov singing the song as he dies to comfort his men, his wife singing the lullaby to their newborn, and the flashback to the childhood scene where he scraped his knee and his mom sang the lullaby to comfort him. it drives home the tragedy of the film, and does a great job of communicating the idea that Goncharov alone steered himself from innocence towards his ultimate fate.
It's a beautiful film.
Oh yeah, it was a great time being able to use some of the music as background score. Surprised none of it got flagged by the copyright bots
🥲
i never want goncharov legacy to end please
As long as it’s kept in our hearts it will
I am *so* glad you talked about Matteo's influence on the film. So many people overlook him because he's not a household name like Scorsese, but I seriously believe the themes of the movie would not have been even half as potent if not for Matteo. One of the most important themes in Goncharov is the attempt to break the cycles of violence that surround you and the very tragedy of being trapped in that cycle in the first place, and once you learn about Matteo's attempts to escape his homophobic family and forge a path based on love instead of tradition, it becomes easy to see how he helped to shape the plot and bring the characters to life. I'm shocked his work fell into obscurity with time, but I'm glad he's getting the attention he deserves now!
Yes please I need a movie analysis of this because after seeing it multiple times, I still don't understand. Thank you!!
I normally tend to shy away from this kind of explainer video format since it tends to paint a very reductive picture of how art is meant to be interpreted. That said, I do hope this is able to get people to better understand some of the messages this film it putting out there so people can come to their own conclusions.
@@HenryKathman all i can say is Gonch time👍
Love that ppl like you still keep the Goncharov fandom going
Harvey Keitel's performance is one of my favorites of his. He gives so much depth to Andrey - from the male ingenue to the hardened criminal to the naive lover to the tragic deuteragonist... could make my own video essay on it if I had the time!
Sobbing shaking
This is a normal reaction to getting gonched
Honestly the best description of what makes Tumblr Tumblr that I’ve heard.
Gotta love the hellsite
Also related: Wes Weston, the Danny Phantom character who Doesn't Exist. He is so prevalent in the DP fandom, that many hardcore diehard fans of DP genuinely believe he exists. He doesn't. His character design appears once in the background in the scene. Fascinating stuff though!
I had heard this story in my interview with Marissa actually! That one kind of flew past me since I wasn't really online during the fandom for Danny Phantom, still interesting though!
Goncharov being a bi during Soviet era raised my eyebrows and I understood during the name change part.
I normally don't like to ascribe to biographical readings of films, but I do think this is definitely an interesting example of a filmmaker using their platform to discuss the issues that affected their life.
TYPICAL Goncharov fanboy, once again the ahead of its time Sapphic Love/Hate relationship between Sophia and Katya is barely even mentioned.
(Great video, loved it)
Dang, you really got my ass lol
Yea, you really do gotta hand it to Sybil Shepards performance as Katya.
I need to go watch goncharov
Ugh this movie is a classic
This was excellent. I love the effort you put into spoofing a typical media analysis video essay vibe - the sheer amount of footage you must have had to trawl through I cannot imagine. Also, are those the fan-made goncharov scores playing as the background music? If so, excellent!! If not, you have clearly chosen the music with intent, it really fits all what goncharov represents; evocative of cinema of years gone, the romantic image of Italy and the sinister shadow of the soviet union. your final point; that Goncharov serves as a positive marker of the human condition, was a very warming and hopeful note to end on. thoroughly enjoyed!
A lot to the music is actually commissioned by the lovely Molly Noise, who you can find on mollynoise.bandcamp.com.
But I did also source a number of these goncharov tracks to the amazing fan music composed by multiple Goncharov experts. If you check the description, I have linked to a post that contains all of the different fan tracks that were used
this might just be the best video of all of youtube actually
Oh jeez, that’s real kind of you to say. Thank you
oh dear god. so sorry to break the unreality but i wish i had been looking at the screen to understand how in the fresh hell Matteo's supposed lastname was written for you to read it like that before getting to nearly eight minutes of this. De Sciocchezze. Of Stupid Things. Im going to explode. Who was it, among the insane amount of collaborative work in making this hellish trojan horse, the genius who suggested that name. I'm going to shake their hand and wheeze my soul out. If it was you, godspeed.
I did contribute in a minimal part to Goncharov - describing a small deleted scene where an unnamed girl assassin is chased after killing a character and ends up falling from a cliff to her death, after which she gets picked apart by crabs! It was supposed to lead into the famed apple scene between Andrej and Goncharov. I took down the post shortly after for a friend who was having genuine problems with the widespread lack of proper tagging as "unreality", but it should still be in the google doc.
It was a really cool video honestly! I hadn't expected so much actual analysis of particularly external factors - i thought the subject might have been more the absurd amount of work put into something that doesnt exist, all the fanart and analysis and gifsets and jokes and the ntire first 8 minutes, but i was very pleasantly surprised and captivated. Im glad you included the positives too.
so so sorry for the huge wall of text that says relatively little!! hope youll have a good one!
I didn't realize the naming convention until you pointed it out. Brilliant.
Why is there a circle on this guy’s widow’s peak in the thumbnail though
All shall be revealed soon
Loved this video!! I was there for the beginnings of Goncharov and remain obsessed with it. It’s trending again due to the tiktok knockoff which will not be named, so I checked out this video. Can’t believe I hadn’t seen it before!! Anyways, I’m surprised you didn’t mention Arthuriana at all! I’d definitely seen some posts floating around about that and I really love the idea that humans have always been Like This. I hadn’t seen anything about that essay you quoted from, so that’s definitely on my to read list now. Sorry for the long comment, but again, great video and now I have something to send my friends when they ask what the hell I’m infodumping about now.
omg goncharov
Oh my goncharov
Iconic.
It truly is an iconic movie
This deserves 1000x more views, so I’ll be watching this 1000 times, hope it helps.
(Fr tho great video, just subbed!)
I mean sharing and supporting is always appreciated
of course people are still continuing the bit in the comments
anyway good video :)
I only tolerate the most prestigious Goncharov discourse in my comments
i need that shirt
When will you talk about the prequel?
The numerical name reminded me of Elon... So wierd
Greatest movie ever but no John Cazale???? This can't be right...
Unpopular opinion, but tbh I think the imagery in Goncharov was WAY TOO on the nose.
The apple/pomegranate scene? Like ok we get it.
The clock motif is cool, but its just SO overdone throughout the movie.
Idk I mean I mostl like Goncharov for the gay ships ngl 😂 (also Katya is really hot)
I dont usually like mafia films.