BeLift pointed out what PLAGIARISM is NOT. It is funny how the YG response saying “not same” is actually supporting BeLift’s point, but everyone missed that. Is it just me or are trying to have a rational logical conversations in kpop always this much hard work?
It's a shame Belift is getting trashed on you tube etc. MHJ has a strong hold on the narrative she wants conveyed. I really hope she gets taken down. The NJs girls need some humility too
if I remember right didn't AESPA had a high end brand deal and appearamce even before they debut? So in MHJ definition of copying, does she accept now that NJ copied AESPA?
there is no original concept in pop music, not only kpop, lets be honest School uniform, hanbok, teen wear, hairstyles...etc....basically youth concept is nothing new...SNSD, AOA, Sistar up to this time... has used that concept Do not portray yourself as original...nothing is original anymore...and that's ok
I'm not familiar with korean laws in terms of plagiarizing. But as for international law it provides that intellectual property must be copyrighted or the owner must prove that she is indeed the original creator. How will MHJ win this when she just copied as well? Moreso, i don't think there is a copyright to own a trend or choreography as it evolves. If she used hiphop concept in kpop, then she can own it and its just for her to use? I think these are just petty excuses to sway the people from her real intention. Thanks for clearing out about the hairstyle and magazine shoots for ELLE where HYBE is not even involved in the concept. The thing with MHJ is she joined HYBE without the intention of being a part of their work family. She look at all of the sublabels as her competitor. Isnt it common for one agency to copy each other concepts for their idols? The other companies SM, YG & JYP...you can find a lot of concept being copied by the younger gen like EXO with NCT, Twice with NMixx.. Heck, when Sheesh by BabyMonster dropped I thought it was BlackPink. 😅 They said that MHJ is a genius creator and that if HYBE will handle NJ, it will not be as creative. Nope, she is good in situational marketing and promotion. You cannot call copying as "creativity". If you are a trendsetter, then why are you afraid of being copied? Why not let them copy? You wont stick to the same concept anyway. MHJ shud learn not to compare work with others, as you should only compete with your current achievements. It's an Asian philosophy...if you compare with others and they are more better, you will feel inferior. On the other hand, if you are better than them, you will become arrogant (this is the path MHJ chosen as she is narcissistic. If she thinks that she's better than HYBE, then why can't SM break through the global market during her time there? Until now they were asking what made BTS famous? BigHit back then was not afraid of being copied and in fact they encouraged other companies to follow what they did for the globalization of kpop. They even shared that it's because they gave their artist freedom to create, produce and write their own music (which unfortunately a copycat like MHJ cant compete with so she just runs after HYBE's money).
MHJ is using the plagiarism as a pretext to initiate the PR campaign against HYBE. Yes the real intention is to capture ADOR and its one product. As a former director at SM Entertainment during the years BTS was coming up, MHJ probably was not happy with its growing success. I’ve always wondered if the fandom wars were initiated by the agencies themselves. Fans are highly suggestible. That’s why politics are so screwed up.
Fandom wars CAN initiated by the agencies, but likely fandom wars supported by the agencies. Like Shindong from Super Junior ask about concept plagiarism to BTS. Like YG sent reporter to ask about plagiarism to BTS. It done very long times ago. Agencies did dirty things.
What I’m getting from the Korean public is that MHJ can say her piece however and whenever whereas Belift should not even attempt to defend their artist or themselves…
@@csj4376 If you’re gonna call this childish, why not talk about that mess of a conference that MHJ held? Had she just addressed said accusations made about her by Hybe, we wouldn’t be in this shitshow. Instead what did she do? Drag every group under the sun to try to cover her ass and now look what that’s caused. These groups are being harassed, fan wars have gotten so bad. Why should Belift be held at a higher standard of professionalism than MHJ? Even if they had been “ professional”, yall would still find something to whine about. If they don’t wanna play by the rules, let them be.
@@EllieTravelsI am with you. As I know there is not subtitles I have yet to watch but as far as I know they just pointed how Illit was formed and how everyone inspire in everyone.
MHJ did what she did on purpose accusing BeLift of copying her NewJeans concept because she needed to make sure ILLIT doesn't take off like NewJeans did. Her plan is all playing out right before our eyes and ears until she got discovered being shady behind the scenes. Now HYBE will slow roast her Petty mode as been activated😂😂😂.
"We are not saying you copied," however, get back to the drawing board and look at all this information: then get back to us. It was paramount that BE:LIFT came out and spoke about the issue, because this issue wasn't just about the mentioned group, it was an attack on the entire BE:LIFT. Obviously, they can't bring a whole case to include everyone else signed under BE:LIFT. Now Mhj still has a headache to deal with. She thought that she is just going to spew some crap about people without being asked to answer to it. The issue here isn't whether she losses or wins, it is to show her that you can't just speak and think that things will be thrown under the rag. It is not twitter where rampant fans just say anything, she is a CEO who actually took stuff from Twitter and thought that she can make a case out of it. By the way, I am still waiting for to speak about the album that was replicated but said nothing, yet she is talking about dance moves, hair, hanbok(Even BTS wore those Hanbok in the early years - Pink, blue, grey etc). I was mortified when a Korean called out other Koreans for "Hanbok Cultural Appropriation."
OMG, I almost spit my coffee out with your "a Korean called out other Koreans for Hanbock Cultural Appropriation" remark!!!!! Priceless!!!!!! 😅😂 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
@NomadicKitty It's at the end of her original post that I replied to! Edit: Never mind, I see what you mean!!!! 😅😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Yeah, MHJ's camp actually claimed illit "stole" the hanbock look for a photo shoot from NJ!!!!
Now that she's pointed out that everyone's laughing right now, she's claiming that illit copied NJ's hanbok 'color'.. I think this started because she wanted "magnetic" song from illit. Fans of NJ claimed that the song should have been given to NJ when illit debuted.
Some rabid bunny said her VP was planted by HYBE 😂 the lengths of which they would go to say she is a poor victim! And attacking BeLift refuting her claims as if she is allowed to talk all this nonsense but everyone knows else should remain silent. Also see comments like why can’t HYBE just let her be. These little kids really don’t understand the real world. 😂
I mean, if MHJ thinks that ILLIT plagiarised NJ can't she just bring it to court and be done with it already? She knows that it can't be considered plagiarism legally so she plays the public opinion game. It's so annoying to see her go back to her polished appearance, calling for peace now that she's trapped. Does she think that HYBE will forgive and forget? 💀
@@a.jackson6909 no they signed in her favour as ADULTS. Only one is a child. The others are informed adults who are thinking about their careers (cant blame them tbh, thats how the real world works, its about squashing your competitors, most millions are corrupt ) but its still nasty work
@@Ikyk_x You don’t know what happens bts. You don’t know what prompted them to sign. You don’t know the conditions. Also, this idea of them being “bigger than BTS” how have they shown this mindset? What gives you that suggestion? I’m noticing a lot of Army’s specifically have something against Njs. A lot of Army’s are too old to have this attitude towards the group.
@@Ikyk_x Bang PD is TOO old to be petty & a lot of Armys are TOO old to be so nasty to a younger group. You come up with these ideas that “Newjeans” want to take down BTS or something & it’s deserving of a trip to the nearest psych ward.
How dare Illit have long natural hair and look cute! 😂 how dare they wear cute clothes and not themed costumes! How dare they look in the same direction taking pics! 😮
She os actually now ruining NJ as a group. Im not in aupport of this group since they decided to turn their back on Hybe and follow crazy MHJ like mindless idiots.
If anyone thinks any of these groups are unique or artistic they are delusional. KPOP is the most cookie cutter least unique stuff I’ve ever seen. Ouch then to have them point to each other in blame is so hilarious. I’ll add I’m a KPOP fan for over a decade and what I do love are all of the incredible talented performers here. However, originality is not a strong point. I’m frequently wishing and hoping there were more references to Korean Culture in KPOP. I’m American so I’m already filled up with the western culture, but I never dreamed it would be Korean rap that led me into liking rap music.
Once rap became more raunchy and disrespectful towards women I stopped listening and it was the rap line of BTS that provided the opportunity to enjoy rap again.
Kpop is very derivative of American culture and I too wish there was more korean culture in kpop. But I love old school and some new music here in america. I love a good bop. I know jpop too and it exploded in the 80s but still copied westernized concepts and style. I'm old. So I was around during the payday of 80s and 90s music. Nothing is original
*Deleted last reply* Granted, I have had my fill of what constitutes original Western American music and do not misunderstand this unless it's Eminem, P!nk, Alice Cooper there is a long list of preference there and I detest when the standard is to listen to only American music and accept some ding a ling known as Jellyroll as something profound. No offense to country musicians ;but no. The point is that one can see striking similarities in Kpop and American music. However, I think Suga did a variation of one of his own songs using traditional Korean instruments and was fantastic! GDragon did one and mixed with the electronics. T.O.P.: Doom Da Da are examples of using traditional Korean music mixed with electronic Super Junior, along with PSY, tapped into other styles but maintained that Korean culture. Did RM not introduce us to the independent artists in S.Korea? Likewise, the HU maintained their cultural identity through Mongolian Folk Metal and gave a shout out to Metallica and duet with Izzy Hale. There is originality. American music copies off each other and whatever. Saying New Jeans is ; how?
@notlonely.everybodyisanexpert kpop isn't just the musical similarities but it's also the styling and the lingo used in kpop! Rap itself is American invention. Jazz, disco, r and b, soul. These are American inventions. The music industry itself is American. Bang pd, jyp and other creators of labels spent time in America learning the business and took what they learned to SK music scene. The early kpop was a direct copy of westernized music. You cannot remove the west from kpop.. Kpop is its own thing but it is NOT mainstream here. BTS blew kpop up here. But yes I wish kpop was more traditionally korean and less western lite. But kpop is intertwined with us. I get it. No shade. The goal is to be global. Especially with social media. But the carribean, latin or afro beats or sound. None of that is korean either. It is what it is but that's one reason kpop isn't taken seriously in the west. A lot of the hip hop community don't see suga as like a real MC. KPOP fans do but in American hip hop circles? Ehhh....Drake and Kendrick Lamar are the standard. Jay-z etc. America itself has a hard time accepting foreigners in the industry. Especially men!!! There is cultural difference In how korean idols move and operate vs American ones. Visually and racially it's hard for audiences to fully accept here. BTS truly did the unimaginable. But faced a lot of racism and hate here. People called them effeminate and strange. Unattractive. Too korean. Niche. Weird. Sad really.
I'm really glad that Be:Lift released that documentary style video explaining their side. The lack of translation subtitles might be because it was made to address the Korean public whose sentiments immediately impact the lives of the people under fire from the plagiarism accusations. Has the Korean public been swayed though? Did their efforts work? I hope it did. I just feel like it will take more than this to drive the point home, considering how long the Korean public stood by MHJ. These false claims must have caused Be:Lift's team, artists, and their families a lot of emotional and psychological pain. I hope this eases the stress they get from others in some way.
@soultune908 No. The court stated that hybe should pay for her payment to her attorneys. But both of them hired top class attorneys and they are v expensive. And hybe only needs to pay her just general level class cost by law. Which is around 0.5% of what she paid.
@@Eueubee09 did you see the crowds of fans at the airport, to see NJ off for their Japan concert and activities? Me either! No crowds, just an almost empty airport…. And then the girls standing there in front of the very small press corps, looking around, like, Where are our mobs of fans? Aren’t we famous? hahahahaaa!
@@cyann410 another day to be embarrassed... Sure when they entered the door, the crowd were cleared, you should've seen the crowd after the escalator. You see a clip, come-up with a conclusion and call my attention. Try harder, make it worth my time *sigh*
the video is presented in a professional and rational manner compared to min heejin's histrionic and tabloid-ish accusations. it also very cleverly exposes min heejin's self-serving lies and manipulations. it looks like min heejin will be in for a nasty surprise with the defamation lawsuits filed against her.
MHJ is burning her house down in slow motion. What brands will want to be associated with NJ and MHJ, given all the controversy and animosity MHJ has generated.
The fans were scared by what they said about her style being for adult men but MHJ was the one who had the idea of that concept. The lady is very strange. The video is full of bot comments.
If you look at the comments left by Min Hee-jin and New Jeans fans in Le Seraphim and illit videos, that's too much. It's the bullying. I can see the madness, and I doubt that these people are other organizations in the public mask. That's how aggressive and actionable it is.I'm very concerned.
Yes they call it supporting NJ But its just spreading hate. I am still not a fan of either group but i feel for Illit and Leserrafim and lowkey supporting them.
@@priny_nb Yez, I'm no fan of kpop girl grps but thanks to Min HJ & NJ fans' unbelievably hateful vitriolic, I started to feel sorry for Ilit & Leserrafim. They were minding their own biz & suddenly those rabbits or wotever they call themselves, were targeting torrents of abuse at them. In the initial stages there was a lot of concern for NJ but their parents got into the fray & I started feeling less sympathy. Now I wonder if these same parents ever thot abt the parents of Ilit & Leserrafim & why BeLift now feels compelled to fight back.
This woman has created such a mess! Then has the audacity to want to reconciliate with Hybe and pretend she didn't start this. I cant' stand her lack of respect, and the lies upon lies. Hopefully this all will have a favorable conclusion. Thanks Sean for another enlightening video!
The hate is now directed at BELIET and it’s Groups. I am an older Engene and have been with Enhypen and BELIFT from the beginning. Now that BELIFT is suing MHJ and Adore, there are articles and SM posts trying to drag the fandom and Enhypen into this mess. Most of us don’t care about MHJ or New Jeans. We are too busy supporting Enhypen’s latest album, Jay’s collaboration with the Japanese rock band Glay and getting ready for the July comeback. Some Engenes have criticized BELIFT in the past over issues related to the boys safety, making sure the boys are not overworked and negative hate SM posts directed at Enhypen. What is being said about BELFT as it relates to negative backlash from Engenes because of New Jeans and MHJ does not ring true to me. From my point of view I am glad that BELIET is finally speaking out and suing over how their artists are being mistreated. They usually don’t do this enough.I am also very tired of New Jeans fandom and MHJ dragging other fandoms and groups into her fight with HYBE.I can’t wait until she is gone. Her actions and that of the Bunnies Fandom have unfortunately turned me against New Jeans
Totally agree. She has effected and infected so many naive viewers who take her histrionics as truth. I actually don't know Enhypen, I'll put them on my list to check out.
These people are softer because HYBE is a company whose work ethic is built on respect. Even the janitor is addressed politely, even the general director can be politely called, but by last name, not by position. And this woman betrayed their trust.
I really hope BeLift wins so they can boot her butt out already. To be honest all girl groups look the same to me and so do their dances. I think Kpop in general all groups boy and girl dances have similarities. I think there are just moves that are standard and are used in everyone’s dances. If MHJ wants to complain about the Hanbok then didn’t she copy BTS? Cause they did that concept back in 2022-23. She really is mental. Just want all of this to go away. I feel really bad that Jin is coming back to this.
No, actually much earlier than 2022-2023. BTS has used hanbocks since their early Run BTS series, as well as their Ddaeng and Idol MVs and stage performances - ALL which PREDATE the hiring of MHJ, the formation of Ador, and the concept for and the debut of NJ!!!!!!
@@nataliacoggins6769 I know but most recently and the last time was like in 2022-23 when they released Proof. Just think it’s dumb of her to even complain about it. She’s reaching for anything and everything cause she’s crazy!
@@BrandInMT Thank you for making me spit out my coffee!!!!! Your remark was hilarious and made my day!!!!!! 😅😂😂😂😂😂😂 Of course Jin's return also made my day!!!!! 💜
Indeed. I was thinking that even in world-renowned ballet companies, the dance steps are the same...each version of the same work is found thanks to the interpretation of the different dancers, and not otherwise. That ajumma should focus on polishing the girls so that they provide the best version of themselves as artists instead of wasting time and resources looking at others to find the things that are common in all groups of kpop.
Be:Lift should add subtitles for international audiences to make it easier for them to spread their message. As we've already seen its been mainly international fans that have been able to see past MHJ lies.
Exactly... Now international fans is only basing their opinion on what others interpret it to be. Heck the video subject is about MHJ, though whats discussed was Belift (and how the video isn't bad at all, while news outlet like JBTC says otherwise)
Spreading their misinformation. They are deleting negative comments which recently was 92% of comments. She has the receipts to prove her statements...emails and texts.
@@Eueubee09 I think they are specifically targeting the misguided K-audiences. I agree, they should add subs. But might be on purpose to spread their message through K-side first. International fans have already understood that MHJ is shady.
@@Eueubee09 It's just one of many voices. You don't have to agree with what he says. But it's always good to also listen to and consider opinions that differ from your own.
Another great Video Sean. BE: LIFT is how a professional company addresses conflicts. Appropriate and clear. So is MHJ basically going to hold a press conference whenever she is unhappy?
As soon as we heard about MHJ and her claims we knew she had some serious issues, now it should be perfectly clear to everyone. Now she wants to involve Elle Magazine? Soon all industries will be through with her. Honestly, I hope the whole Hybe building file lawsuits against her. Don't know who's funding that weird woman but I'm sure they didn't count on all of this taking place. Her battle was lost from day one!
Glad to hear the BeLift lawsuit is still progressing. Also, ❤ ❤ your breakdown explanation of the nuances within this lawsuit, as the public doesn't really understand everything about the Korean history of and the basics of the Korean entertainment business culture of Hybe and all other companies!!!! I can't wait for BeLifts documentary to air with real regular employees talking about how MHJ's plagiarism accusations have hurt them and their company's viability!!!!! All of the employees did a wonderful job in explaining how their work was not plagiarized, from hairstyles to magazine ad clothing choice (picked by the magazines, not the company) in spreads. Especially the hanbocks, with photo stills predating NJ of idol groups wearing hanbocks. 😅😂 But especially the choreographer, who showed by MHJ's own logic, NJ "plagiarized" Bollywood dance moves and how illet's differed and made it more of a Kpop move! He also explained that a specific dance move MHJ claims illet stole is a basic transition/connection move has been used by every idol group since forever. Set the damages at $10 million, to include potential future revenues lost. That way, if the judge whittles it down, it will at least be over the $1 million needed to fire MHJ under her Hybe/Ador contract!! Overall, this makes MHJ look like an idiot for even making these plagiarism accusations!!! 😅😂 🤣
Big American employers has a “bucket” for firing top-ranking executives (above the staff level), called “at-will”for firing the most highly paid executives, which is usually written into their contract. Honestly, the pettiness of MHJ makes her look like the worst kind of “b*ch”given how much she is paid, her high status in the HYBE hierarchy, and her ability to do a public media show (“circus”) any time she feels the need to pump herself up. Doesn’t she have a life?
MHJ already looked like an idiot after that first press conference. She lost any credibility after that overdone drama show. And the fact she hasn't complied with the legal requirement to hand in her laptop .... only reason for that is she had something to hide. Red flag for guilty.
@@jordanmckoy6006 I think the point they want to prove is HYBE will speak up for their artist if need be. And I think ILLIT needs to see this effort. They have seen nothing but the dark side of kpop ever since they landed. They don't even have loyal supporters that will rally like bunnies rally for NJ. If HYBE or BELIFT that directly works with them doesn't show them support in this situation they are gonna break. People were already salty about the reality show they came from. Then when they actually debuted they got dragged through the mud for no mistake of their own. This is the first time HYBE has taken this sort of approach and I think it is in favor of ILLIT. HYBE has always stuck to press releases as and when needed till now making a whole ppt kind of thing is a first for them. They don't give these kind of explanations especially when they have a legal case to fight. Even BTS has always answered with our legal team is looking into it.
Min Hee Jin went all in and failed. BE LIIFT came back with a counter attack that looks like a knock out. I dont see how Min Hee Jin still has a job when all this is over. They can file a civil suit for sure and say the damages are over 1 mil.
All the negativity about the belift video is intense. Its definitely because it displays MHJ's hypocrisy. I hope they win their case. Shes incapable of apologizing. Her narcissism won't allow it.
I think media has an easier time to play the Korean Language against international fans since not all of us know how to read or speak Korean and then the translation apps are horrible as well, they don't even understand Korean, even Papago that is a Naver app doesn't always translate properly This whole think on plagiarizing hair, clothes, makeup, dances or concepts is ridiculous, everything eventually gets reused, clothes in fashion in the past eventually comes back in style years later, there is only so much you can do with clothes,hair, makeup etc..... now when it comes to music, that's different, you can plagiarize more with same phrasing of chorus or same key cords things like that so where MHJ comes of with copying her, guess it's different, she can copy off other international artist, but if your another kpop group you can't copy her copying😂 Hope Belift is successful in their case, getting MHJ out will make everyone at HYBE more comfortable with the black cloud out of the building. No matter what happens, we at least know the there's only about a year left on MHJ contract so the evil will eventually be expelled
Appreciate you! Glad BELIFT is standing up. Tired of people hating on Illit for no reason. If you focused on any group enough you could call plagiarism on countless things.
I am not even seeing or hearing her drama anymore. It's JUNE! Jin comes home in a few hours & BANGTANS 11TH ANNIVERYSARY is tomrrow! My friends have been sending me all the photos of how BEAUTIFUL SEOUL looks, completely covered in BANGTAN. I have been waiting too long to be in Korea. I'll be THERE a few day's prior to the rest of the teams discharge and won't come home till AFTER FESTA2025. Min Jin and her BS can not take away from the JOY the world feels right now over this weeks activities. SHE'S NOTHING and not worth talking about this week at all :)
Did all you listened the longer version of Super Tuna? And the fan made animation of Wootteo and RJ welcoming him? It broke my hearth!!! And the voice! His voice without proper preparation and manteinance!!! It is a dream come true!!!! Jin return was just so Jin and so dreamy and so perfect as him!!! And now we have our moon to wait with us for our sun!!! 🥰💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
I didn't know Illit but so I watch the MV of "Magnetic" alternating with BTS... I never watched Newjeans even out of curiosity... I don't want to add a view to these pretentious kids and above all not give success to Mhj...She has done too much harm!! Fortunately JIN comes out tomorrow and will change Kpop news!
Yes! thank you! I also stream Illit music in between my Bangtan streaming sessions even tho I'm not their fan. Also any past view i gave to Newjeans, i deleted them and pressed dislike to whatever came my way. I also don't watch anything with NJ anymore. Never seen spoiled bratz of this scale ever before
Seeing the video, my first reaction was that it was a terrible move. But from their perspective, they couldn’t just allow MHJ to keep the rumors going about plagiarism when they realized that she would keep bringing it up just to bring it up so they need something to defend themselves. Personally I would’ve tried stopping this video because fans would take it the wrong way, but why can’t they speak up? In their minds, I am assuming they are fed up with all of these accusations. Some of them are truly extremes like that McDonald’s Choreo. I would be annoyed too. Would the choreographer have to study NJ’s to make sure nothing is the same so MHJ doesn’t complain? The thing is there are similarities. They wanted a similar vibe, cute concepts, targeting teens etc. but if we compare Illit to NJ’s releases, and at NJ’s whole portfolio, they are different. Illit cannot replace NJ’s. Fueling it only strengthen online hate.
I don't actually like either group but in the long term I think Illit have the chance to be better than NJ. They seem to have more input and opportunity to grow as artists and develop their own ideas. Whereas NJ "has no talent and only succeeded because of MHJ" or at least that's what she says. How can they grow and develop if that's what their creator thinks.
Honestly when I saw the wrist dance move, the first thing I thought of was BTS's Black Swan from 2020 -- it's a small move that can be played out to different aesthetic results.
Talking about copying....MHJ totally copied BTS from the Gyeongbokgung Palace with Korean traditional wear. Why did she say BTS copied her? This is all so wrong and now it seems until we get rid of MHJ this is not going to stop.
WHO thinks of MHJ as a “godsend” ??? NO ONE y’all ignorant. Y’all say kpop fans take things out of context but YALL ANTIS ALSO take things out of context. We also don’t really like her BUT if she leaves BELIFT will ruin newjeans. Y’all idiots I swear. And if y’all aren’t “kids” and grown ass adults y’all should KNOW that Belift’s video IS DISGUSTING AND WRONG. They way that video sexualize the members of newjeans is so disgusting and cruel. If y’all side with belift then that just goes to show y’all think just like them…
It's bizarre how Min Hee Jin has been able to employ teenage mean girl tactics for what appears to be the majority of her career. Typical of a spoiled, temperamental, nepo-baby she seems to have been completely oblivious to the inevitable consequences her actions would bring. Funnier yet is her wanting to play the reconciliation card after having poisoned her own well. They can't bag this snake fast enough.
@@DonnaBernauer 💜from someone halfway across the globe fr where u r I suspect, namely S E Asia. English not being my mother tongue but our medium of instruction in natl schools is English & I do struggle some times. Happy to hv made yr day 😊
@@jimijin2020 Indeed, you have. So you can speak, at the very least, two languages. Guess I'm the envious one now, I can only speak English. Anyhoo, from across the globe, Borahae, my friend 💜
It would be interesting but I doubt that BTS do that if and only if I will pay to see her face when they step inside the courtroom!!! And the judge as well specially if news from other countries are there!! 🤭🤭😈
IMO that could be viewed as workplace harassment and intimidation. Easier to win if charges are filed separately anyway. More money for lawyers. Trust me her lawyers will like raking in the dough too. Besides this will keep her busy at the courts and have a hard time being effective as a Sham of a CEO. Based on how she seems, this thing she started will be gnawing at her in and out. File multiple lawsuits. Have her use up her money. In the process Ador's value will plummet. Whatever she had built, it will be in tatters.
24:00 reminded me of that instagram reels i saw few days ago where they showed another old bollywood song using the same hand movement as new jeans and the comments were all joking like "MHJ will come after them lmao". As an Indian, lot of Indian songs have similar dance steps but none of us complain about plagiarism. *edit* : yes you did mention the same thing lmao. 24:37
Ikr literally mhj has sexualised them. It has been an issue since debut but suddenly everyone is in denial. There's literally the maknae wearing a top that has the same covering as underwear.
Any minute now she is gonna call for a press conference again or show up at a major tv network, complaining and whining about other sub-labels are ganging up on her and play the f*cking victim card. Accusing Hybe of orchestrating the whole thing. Not gonna lie, am starting to get entertained again.
Nj and Mhj digging there own grave. Jin is back. Jinhit entertainment will kick her ass people now are interested on jins activities. All media now is interested on Jin's back. All eyes on jins now.
The Belift Lab video is very informative, so I recommend it, even if you don't understand Korean, but unfortunately there are so many hate comments by min hee jin supporters. Possibly (at least) some of them may be paid, but the media (Korean and American) are saying that the video backfired, because of the hate comments. Sean, thanks for this excellent video!
You can check the comment section and fact check. There's both positive and negative, but generally it is the closest you'll get in fact finding what is correctly interpreted VS translated by Stan Media like this.
Min hee jin hired a 'public affairs' company for media manipulation (it is also hired by the law firm that represents her), which may be responsible for (at least) some of hate comments. Sean has a really good video on this.
This is so far from being over. Let the lawsuits begin against her! She has told so many lies that she has to tell more lies to cover all the other lies. It's clear that she's trying to throw many others under the bus. Sean, thank you for your hard work, not only on this story, but tons more before it. Could you also shine a light of what SM is trying to do to EXO-CBX?
In my opinion, Ador and MHJ's strategy is to win the court of public opinion while Belift is going the more, specific, technical, and court of law strategy
I am not a great dancer, but I watched "Magnetic" and "Lucky Girl Syndrome," and I don't see the resemblance to NewJeans. They aren't my jam, but, as a 56 year old woman, I am apparently not their target audience. They are super cute though, and I would totally recommend them to a teenager who wanted accessible K-pop. Perhaps MHJ should learn to dance.
To hide her betrayal to HYBE, MHJ target ILLIT debut when chart-stats started to rise coz her NJ debut accomplishment well kiss goodbye. But ....😂😂😂😂, she may really has to stop her own copying Y2K style coz new GGs has and will come out stronger due to her greed and stupidity. She's tried destroying hybe for her own crowning glory!? 😅 Did she really succeed and victorious as she claimed? 🤪🤪
I think it's good that the label makes statements defending itself against the lady's accusations, although I have always thought that the lady accused this of "plagiarism" when they discovered her plans, since she never did more than blame and declare but she did not sue for the alleged "plagiarism." "and she didn't talk about it anymore, she just started attacking and dragging other groups into his drama.
Oml for 15:16 MJH wasn’t saying they “copied their hair” but was trying to emphasize that by having similar hair, style of music, merch, coloring etc it just makes it all the more weird on how the more SIMILAR the two groups are. Like having ALL members debut with long lushes hair and then netizens realizing “oh this group reminds me of someone, oh yeahhh Newjeans!” It just makes it worse. She NEVER said it was straight up copying of hair style but the way it’s similar. 🤦♀️
This video really shows that depending on where you look for an explanation of this video you find different bubbles. On a website i just see so much hate for Illit and being like they made their own grave. But then they don't even bother going else there to look more into it. Just shows how people in general just go to their one adresse to find out about stuff and never look at different sides. it is so dangerous for everyone. Please people look at all the sites of the stories and make up your own mind. I liked the video, thank you for keeping it so logical.
I saw a couple of those. It sounds like paid for media crap and teenage girls who have been sucked by Min and don't understand what kind of person she is. I think hybe USA is going to go after her too.
I have never been this invested in a kpop scandal that involved a group I didn't like. I find the legal, financial, social, and artistic sides of this so interesting. Also, having known from the first debut announcement that I wouldn't stan this group because something was "off" with them, it's so affirming to see this group be at the eye of the storm. No, I'm not saying I'm glad, just vindicated. Basically, "I told you so". The debut of minors and acting like an obviously retro concept was "so original" rubbed me the wrong way from the start. You reap what you sew, MHJ.
I appreciate your take on this. Min was counting on the fact that her “original concept” is from a time that most bunnies were not even born. She counting on the fact that New Jeans is a play on Destiny’s Child; TLC; Blaque; ect- these are all Black American girl groups form the 90’s. This is just a recycled formula and the bunnies are having a hard time with that idea because Min told them different.
@@tiffaniethornton9187 Well that and she appears to be an entitled narcissist. In her eyes, she can do no wrong, everyone is out to get her, and she deserves whatever she desires. Her attitude of "owning" and "creating" these concepts, dance styles, and fashion trends has created artists and fans with the very same attitude. The whole NJ circle is grossly bloated with entitlement from blessings they didn't earn. Take the brand deals as example. If I remember correctly, they got those big fashion brand endorsements pre-debut or soon after debut as rookies. Normally, that is something idols earn after years of hard work, IF they reach that milestone at all. But now the industry revolves around praising rookies for just existing, which is creating these entitled rookies (see also: 50 50). So NJ gets worshipped pre-debut and grow to expect that everyone just bow down to them, their demands, and their recycled concepts. (When I say NJ, I'm partly referring to the group, the fans, and MHJ all together.)
BEST COMMENT! I FEEL THE SAME WAY!!❤❤ I'm 48 and seen all these new concepts before in america. I died laughing. Like are you serious? Original? Where kpop is hardly ever original
Concept cannot be copyrighted. Dance step cannot be copyrighted. Damce choreo maybe can be copyrighted. Song definetily can be copyrighted, but how much bars that consider plagiarism, it depend the country.
Let me inform people MHJ is NOT a music producer. She is artistic director in control of concepts, styling, wardrobe etc.she doesnt make the music!! Dont take away the real talent behind NJ or these groups its the writers and producers!!
NJ producer 250 is also MHJ's minion so no need to praise him either. He also copied underrated foreign music to make NJ songs thinking no one will notice lol. Seems like copying and recycling runs in the blood of that household
@madkmadk6809 I agree but people commenting thinking that mhj is a producer of music. That's what I was referring to. The music is ok but I'm saying mhj doesn't do the music so her "talent" and taking credit of NJ success I find a bit odd for her to leave out that the music is the draw. You can have the best concept but if your music sucks no one is listening or buying.
Exactly. It doesn't matter if you like or dislike the people involved, we gotta proper credit to the proper people. It's so fucking annoying to see a non-musician referred as such.
@raccoonchild that's why I'm kinda confused as to her importance. She isn't a songwriter or producer or an engineer. Sooooo....she's doesnt do hair nor makeup. She's basically product and brand manager with a stylist mixed in. She's marketing. Kpop business is so odd. In the u.s. she wouldn't be much of anything besides an executive marketing manager. She would work with a team of people. Wardrobe, hair, makeup. Draw up ideas and present them to the label and the artist for mv and appearances etc. It's a basic job in the industry and an independent contractor kinda position. Music is decided by the label and the artist. Concepts is a kpop thing with too much emphasis and importance. Let the artist talent shine. Or lack of. Music and choreo sells records. Stage presentation
A lot of these so called ytubers who are believing the smoke screen MHJ put up, lack a conscience and have no clue about legal issues. They are acting like sheep trying to put out deep dives where everything they say sounds like BS. Seoullite you are the only one who actually knows what you are talking about and your knowledge gives us the viewers a perspective that we sometimes miss.
I think the absurdity of these claims got hijacked by all the press conference drama and stuff, because they were always so blatantly stupid...and I am SO glad Be:Lift decided to put a big ass spotlight on the ridiculousness of MHJ's accusations and at the same time took the chance to call her out on her hypochrisy. Thanks so much for the update!
When I watched the New Jeans receht MV Bubblegum I couldn't help but think of you calling it way long ago during the Cookie" release, that New Jeans project creepy sexual undertones, (even though they are so young ). Especially the Bubblegum scene on the beach where the bubblegum she puts toward her mouth is clearly in the shape of a male body part. I am not a prude, but to me the biggest thing I do not like about the New Jeans concept is that they pretend they are so sweet and innocent while sneaking in adult themed subliminal things. Plus the girls truly seem to have been handed a silver platter with access to Hybe's best artists/creators work, yet they act as if it's their talents alone that got them this huge success. I'd prefer to follow and fan a group that has impressive individual talents and work ethics. I respect groups that properly acknowledge when others talents/funds assist them to having hits.
Hybe musics are really good weather you want to admit it or not. They always give their artists good music and promote them well but they get stab by Min Heejin and NewJeans. NewJeans rather dance with Aespa then have any interactions or a dance Challenge with Hybe girl groups. I think they think they are too good to be see with them. Min Heejin want to be separate from Hybe so bad to the point that they rather get long with some other group from other Company than groups that are under the same umbrella with them. Now everything they do is fake.
Illit"s concept is very much odd girls in high school, cute but still quirking finding out almost very recently that they are actually cute and not just odd girls in school and owning that hence "lucky girl syndrome". Never saw substance in the imitation claims, the other side should dead that claim, they are beginning to look like their minds are not as creative as they seemed.
MHJ seems to have no creativity with New Jeans she copies others in their clothes, choreography, and places to do videos. She did state HYBE copied her with BTS. She always tries to correct herself or say I never said that when she did. It seems she needs to back away from ADOR before she dies more harm than good. What I really like to know is why her shaman stated "Lets not have what happened at SM happen again." What did she do at SM and why did she leave
From my understanding of the Korean I've learnt, the shaman was indicating of a past Anti BTS sabotage mission she started while working at SM in order to help SM but it seems they failed that time so she's saying that to remind MHJ to not fail this time
MHJ said she protects her girls. But dragging other artist..within the Hybe itself is such childish. She can go all the way "protect" herself,and NJ but dragging other artists within the company is a big No No.
What a shameless Min Heejin and his followers Harmful people who always speak in their favor and attack and insist on their opponents with lies that are not true
Glad that they make it documentary style instead of going to broadcasting studios that have interviewers that have already sets of questions that may have been hostile towards belift, that instead of clarify the issue may have been made more chaotic and controversial just to drag along the issue
I love this post because all these people are giving negative feedback on the video but in essence, this was just them finally fighting back. Also, the translations seem very different from the what you are stating. It was typical mean girl behavior to start all this drama then claim to want to stop the drama when the ones she hurt are starting to fight back. To be honest, these kpop channels are not helping because they are spinning this to MHJ's favor.
In the documentary-style rebuttal video of Belift, haters who mocked and bullied Eilit have flocked to the site and are terrorizing her again In addition, some trash media, which were friendly to Min Hee-jin, reported that Billie Lab faced headwinds I need your friendly comments
Let NJ go the way of fifty fifty. Where are they now? 😂 they'll be alright. But one group or person shouldn't have the power to take down a company or industry. Im.a business owner so this is sillly. No one wins if HYBE loses money..no one. Not BTS, NOT The fans, not the industry or employees no one.
no... This delulus are claiming those are bots, media company or alien intercepting earth's bandwidth... Like what? I checked the accounts of the comments (sure there are some shady accounts), but a lot are from accounts not made this year.
@@Eueubee09 about the account matter, my account was deleted by RUclips after I tried to "spam" 10 comments about Hybe 'cause they kept being deleted. So I created new account and keep on commenting to cheer for NJs girls. So yep, I'm not Bot.
No. Those reflect the opinions of idol fans who knows Korean, or kpop fans and Koreaboos who knows how to use Google Translate. The Korean public does not care for idols or their fandoms. The general public all over the world do not care for kpop or the Korean kpop industry. The "public" as far as kpop topics are concerned are mainly intelligent, professional, English speaking people.
Just imagine Michael Jackson, RIP, he was copied by many artists worldwide from dance moves, hairstyles, jackets, gloves, socks, shoes, etc. I don’t think Michael Jackson or his estate sued anyone. Actually, it made him more famous than ever. 😄
Now, with Jin back, you know that bish is quaking in her boots, hiding in her office with the door locked. When Jin hears everything she has done and said, you know he is going to make a statement, in his own, very “Jin” way. I am expecting him to do a dance challenge or something, with Illit. I do not like any girl group, but I have been streaming Illit, and will support them anyway.
I am not a stan of either of these groups just a lover of kpop and an unbiased observer. This is a battle of the egos but as a woman & a mother I want the men involved in this to know that you CANNOT beat a manipulative person with words. Rather than trying to argue with her legally or in anyway what you need to do is stand on your talent!! That’s all! Draw the focus back to illit’s talent and the Be:lift’s creative talent. Start posting videos of the girls doing things in a unique way that is far removed from the industry standard and focus on cementing their brand instead of arguing over what he said she said. Someone with a big ego is willing to sink the whole ship before they ever take responsibility for anything they did. They can easily ruin all of kpop in order to keep their ego intact,don’t give them that ammunition. Focus on the girls next come back and make sure it has everyone gagged so that it cements illit’s brand not as a new jeans competitor but sets them in their own lane. No amount of court or talking will win against Min hee jin because she stands on her talent (plagiarised or not she made new jeans the it girls). Stand on your talent Be:lift and stop trying to nurse bruised egos at the cost of these young girls dreams. So what she said you copied her homework, ace the next test and show it to yourselves and everyone else that you didn’t copy her homework. Learn from western artists, Beyoncé doesn’t address any plagiarism she just makes sure the next album is worth talking about for the right reason, Arianna Grande didn’t respond to the media calling her names, she put it all in her art and brought the focus back to her art, Beyoncé did the same thing with lemonade, she put it all into her art so that the focus is on her art not the rumours. Leverage your art that’s the only way to shut anyone up.
I see what you are saying and agree but South Korea isn't the west. Here we don't care about music industry corporate bs and pick a side. It will make news and people move on. No one issued death threats to beyonce or AG over plagiarism claims etc. Illit is getting that and more. The stock of HYBE is down because of this. labels don't take hits over bs like this in America. It's up to the artist to defend themselves or not. But you have a label with employees to pay. So in other words in America you have bad PR and gossip. In Korea you have people actually losing money over this and hate campaigns. So it's different
BTS, and especially Rapline, have written haters into their songs many times, and currently we have RM'S new album, in which half of his songs are point blank aimed at haters and users, but they've established their names, and I'm not sure this tactic would work for Illit... not unless they straight up went from girly to bada*s overnight. Hmm... 🤔🤔🤔
@@zoewebber62 There's no need to talk about haters or whatever, OP said they should just release good music. How hard can it be for a company with multiple producers at their disposal to produce a good song? I follow tons of solo artists who do it all on their own, (no 20 people per credit here) and have no problem releasing banger after banger, great music with great lyrics. Because they're great at what they do. ILLIT has to prove they're consistently good and their own thing, and hopefully, progressively, more and more involved in their own music, and they should be fine.
OP was talking about how others have spit back at their haters/antis through their songs, and I was merely pointing out that BTS and RM have also done this many times. I never once said anything against Illit, or any other group, except that I'm not sure that Illit could do the tactic OP was talking about, i.e. calling out their haters/antis with their songs. What I mean is that they would have to have really strong, REALLY strong rappers to be able to do this and make it work for them, which would be unusual for a girl group... not unheard of, but still unusual.
Yesterday I seen an English version of it, but it went to private immediately, but I managed to watch it. It was ridiculous. What she did to those girls and how they described her Deliberate, malicious accusations There is a part in it when they ask her what she think about the idols that been hurt because of this and she answered in a very snappy way why you are mentioning this you are the ones who make it as big as it is she attacked the journalist and dismiss it like it’s not her fault
@@lizbailey7748 it’s truly well done the way that they talk about it and the social media is so different of what it is I don’t think any of them watch it to begin with Mhj supporters they are literally immune to logic and follow her like sheep The way she operate it so familiar to me the way that BTS used to be maliciously attacked from Korean media I have this weird eerie feeling that I seen this before , I think she use this tactic a lot before but this time she didn’t get away with it , I think the plagiarising stuff that BTS always had to deal with she may used to have a hand to it , maybe I am overreaching but I can’t help it. It’s just too familiar.
MHJ’s shaman or sister didn’t warn her to keep other groups names out her mouth?? 🤭 the hypocrisy and lack of self awareness are both comical and scary. She creeps me out.
In a war of attrition (as this now is) the one with the most resources (Hybe) will always win. I think MHJ saw that ILLIT is genuine competition and she wanted to strangle them at birth. Is $1 million a big award in cases like this in South Korea?
30:40 LOVE this stance of Be:Lift about plagiarism. It's been used as a weapon, re-interpreted to benefit false claims and discredit people who work hard both in front of and behind the camera. Does plagiarism happen? Sure it does, but not all accusations are true and it's sad that majority of entertainment fans can't spot false claims like MHJ's. Many just ride the bandwagon thinking it's the best way to show support for artists they admire, without considering its consequences. It's about time someone makes a stance against this and I hope they win their case against MHJ.
The idea of claiming copyright of a single dance move is as ridiculous as the idea of claiming copyright on a word. The creativity is not in any individual move, it's in how they're put together and expressed. Love to see them reaching like this and I hope their whole house of cards comes tumbling down soon.
BeLift pointed out what PLAGIARISM is NOT. It is funny how the YG response saying “not same” is actually supporting BeLift’s point, but everyone missed that.
Is it just me or are trying to have a rational logical conversations in kpop always this much hard work?
It's a shame Belift is getting trashed on you tube etc. MHJ has a strong hold on the narrative she wants conveyed. I really hope she gets taken down. The NJs girls need some humility too
Link to the documentary to leave your comments of support:
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It seem all the girl groups debuted by Hybe except Illit because they just have had their down to earth shower courtesy of Ador.
if I remember right didn't AESPA had a high end brand deal and appearamce even before they debut? So in MHJ definition of copying, does she accept now that NJ copied AESPA?
there is no original concept in pop music, not only kpop, lets be honest
School uniform, hanbok, teen wear, hairstyles...etc....basically youth concept is nothing new...SNSD, AOA, Sistar up to this time... has used that concept
Do not portray yourself as original...nothing is original anymore...and that's ok
Not if your initials are mhj.
@@zoewebber62 she’s goner. She already hurt that label.
I'm not familiar with korean laws in terms of plagiarizing. But as for international law it provides that intellectual property must be copyrighted or the owner must prove that she is indeed the original creator. How will MHJ win this when she just copied as well? Moreso, i don't think there is a copyright to own a trend or choreography as it evolves. If she used hiphop concept in kpop, then she can own it and its just for her to use? I think these are just petty excuses to sway the people from her real intention. Thanks for clearing out about the hairstyle and magazine shoots for ELLE where HYBE is not even involved in the concept.
The thing with MHJ is she joined HYBE without the intention of being a part of their work family. She look at all of the sublabels as her competitor. Isnt it common for one agency to copy each other concepts for their idols? The other companies SM, YG & JYP...you can find a lot of concept being copied by the younger gen like EXO with NCT, Twice with NMixx.. Heck, when Sheesh by BabyMonster dropped I thought it was BlackPink. 😅
They said that MHJ is a genius creator and that if HYBE will handle NJ, it will not be as creative. Nope, she is good in situational marketing and promotion. You cannot call copying as "creativity". If you are a trendsetter, then why are you afraid of being copied? Why not let them copy? You wont stick to the same concept anyway. MHJ shud learn not to compare work with others, as you should only compete with your current achievements. It's an Asian philosophy...if you compare with others and they are more better, you will feel inferior. On the other hand, if you are better than them, you will become arrogant (this is the path MHJ chosen as she is narcissistic. If she thinks that she's better than HYBE, then why can't SM break through the global market during her time there? Until now they were asking what made BTS famous? BigHit back then was not afraid of being copied and in fact they encouraged other companies to follow what they did for the globalization of kpop. They even shared that it's because they gave their artist freedom to create, produce and write their own music (which unfortunately a copycat like MHJ cant compete with so she just runs after HYBE's money).
This has been the best coverage of this story. Explained in a very easy to understand way. THANK YOU!
MHJ is using the plagiarism as a pretext to initiate the PR campaign against HYBE. Yes the real intention is to capture ADOR and its one product. As a former director at SM Entertainment during the years BTS was coming up, MHJ probably was not happy with its growing success. I’ve always wondered if the fandom wars were initiated by the agencies themselves. Fans are highly suggestible. That’s why politics are so screwed up.
Fandom wars CAN initiated by the agencies, but likely fandom wars supported by the agencies. Like Shindong from Super Junior ask about concept plagiarism to BTS. Like YG sent reporter to ask about plagiarism to BTS. It done very long times ago. Agencies did dirty things.
What I’m getting from the Korean public is that MHJ can say her piece however and whenever whereas Belift should not even attempt to defend their artist or themselves…
They should defend themselves ina more professional way. That video is too childish
@@csj4376 If you’re gonna call this childish, why not talk about that mess of a conference that MHJ held? Had she just addressed said accusations made about her by Hybe, we wouldn’t be in this shitshow. Instead what did she do? Drag every group under the sun to try to cover her ass and now look what that’s caused. These groups are being harassed, fan wars have gotten so bad. Why should Belift be held at a higher standard of professionalism than MHJ? Even if they had been “ professional”, yall would still find something to whine about. If they don’t wanna play by the rules, let them be.
@csj4376 May I ask specifically what was childish? They collected evidence and provided multiple video and photo footage to back up their response...
I feel like most people are blindly disliking and not even watching the video
@@EllieTravelsI am with you. As I know there is not subtitles I have yet to watch but as far as I know they just pointed how Illit was formed and how everyone inspire in everyone.
The bunny fandom has been spreading mistranslations too, they rule twt and they need to be stopped.
They won’t last with one song called DDAENG
MHJ did what she did on purpose accusing BeLift of copying her NewJeans concept because she needed to make sure ILLIT doesn't take off like NewJeans did. Her plan is all playing out right before our eyes and ears until she got discovered being shady behind the scenes. Now HYBE will slow roast her Petty mode as been activated😂😂😂.
This and she also used it to cover up for her crimes against hybe, ador
LEGAL petty mode... 😏😏😏
LOL COPYLIT🤣🤣SHAMELESS COPY NEWJEANS FORMULA
@@tci24 not true, also get ur facts right, before u start saying nonsense
lol get facts lots of people can see it that illit copy newjeans move hair style and even the promotions photography🤣🤣
"We are not saying you copied," however, get back to the drawing board and look at all this information: then get back to us.
It was paramount that BE:LIFT came out and spoke about the issue, because this issue wasn't just about the mentioned group, it was an attack on the entire BE:LIFT. Obviously, they can't bring a whole case to include everyone else signed under BE:LIFT. Now Mhj still has a headache to deal with. She thought that she is just going to spew some crap about people without being asked to answer to it. The issue here isn't whether she losses or wins, it is to show her that you can't just speak and think that things will be thrown under the rag. It is not twitter where rampant fans just say anything, she is a CEO who actually took stuff from Twitter and thought that she can make a case out of it.
By the way, I am still waiting for to speak about the album that was replicated but said nothing, yet she is talking about dance moves, hair, hanbok(Even BTS wore those Hanbok in the early years - Pink, blue, grey etc). I was mortified when a Korean called out other Koreans for "Hanbok Cultural Appropriation."
OMG, I almost spit my coffee out with your "a Korean called out other Koreans for Hanbock Cultural Appropriation" remark!!!!! Priceless!!!!!! 😅😂 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
🤣💯👍👍👍
@@nataliacoggins6769I thought someone made that up..omg did they really?
@NomadicKitty It's at the end of her original post that I replied to!
Edit: Never mind, I see what you mean!!!! 😅😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah, MHJ's camp actually claimed illit "stole" the hanbock look for a photo shoot from NJ!!!!
Now that she's pointed out that everyone's laughing right now, she's claiming that illit copied NJ's hanbok 'color'..
I think this started because she wanted "magnetic" song from illit. Fans of NJ claimed that the song should have been given to NJ when illit debuted.
Some rabid bunny said her VP was planted by HYBE 😂 the lengths of which they would go to say she is a poor victim! And attacking BeLift refuting her claims as if she is allowed to talk all this nonsense but everyone knows else should remain silent. Also see comments like why can’t HYBE just let her be. These little kids really don’t understand the real world. 😂
I mean, if MHJ thinks that ILLIT plagiarised NJ can't she just bring it to court and be done with it already? She knows that it can't be considered plagiarism legally so she plays the public opinion game. It's so annoying to see her go back to her polished appearance, calling for peace now that she's trapped. Does she think that HYBE will forgive and forget? 💀
Already, the Korean court said that there is a basis for the plagiarism that Min Hee-jin claimed. Mhj should receive an apology from hybe.
@@user-gf5ht2wm3w Well, they decided to sue her for defamation so clearly they disagree
People really need to boycott 👖 because this ego trip is crazy, they think they are bigger than BTS.
No psycho. Min-Heejin May think that, not the girls.
@@a.jackson6909 no they signed in her favour as ADULTS. Only one is a child. The others are informed adults who are thinking about their careers (cant blame them tbh, thats how the real world works, its about squashing your competitors, most millions are corrupt ) but its still nasty work
@@Ikyk_x You don’t know what happens bts. You don’t know what prompted them to sign. You don’t know the conditions. Also, this idea of them being “bigger than BTS” how have they shown this mindset? What gives you that suggestion? I’m noticing a lot of Army’s specifically have something against Njs. A lot of Army’s are too old to have this attitude towards the group.
@@a.jackson6909 its like you dont live in the real world where pettiness and jealousy exists
@@Ikyk_x Bang PD is TOO old to be petty & a lot of Armys are TOO old to be so nasty to a younger group. You come up with these ideas that “Newjeans” want to take down BTS or something & it’s deserving of a trip to the nearest psych ward.
How dare Illit have long natural hair and look cute! 😂 how dare they wear cute clothes and not themed costumes! How dare they look in the same direction taking pics! 😮
She os actually now ruining NJ as a group. Im not in aupport of this group since they decided to turn their back on Hybe and follow crazy MHJ like mindless idiots.
I guess new jeans members know better than you that who treated them well and who did not. 😂
If anyone thinks any of these groups are unique or artistic they are delusional. KPOP is the most cookie cutter least unique stuff I’ve ever seen. Ouch then to have them point to each other in blame is so hilarious. I’ll add I’m a KPOP fan for over a decade and what I do love are all of the incredible talented performers here. However, originality is not a strong point. I’m frequently wishing and hoping there were more references to Korean Culture in KPOP. I’m American so I’m already filled up with the western culture, but I never dreamed it would be Korean rap that led me into liking rap music.
Once rap became more raunchy and disrespectful towards women I stopped listening and it was the rap line of BTS that provided the opportunity to enjoy rap again.
Kpop is young and exist (1st debut) since1992. But most are copies of Jpop (since 1950)
Kpop is very derivative of American culture and I too wish there was more korean culture in kpop. But I love old school and some new music here in america. I love a good bop. I know jpop too and it exploded in the 80s but still copied westernized concepts and style. I'm old. So I was around during the payday of 80s and 90s music. Nothing is original
*Deleted last reply* Granted, I have had my fill of what constitutes original Western American music and do not misunderstand this unless it's Eminem, P!nk, Alice Cooper there is a long list of preference there and I detest when the standard is to listen to only American music and accept some ding a ling known as Jellyroll as something profound. No offense to country musicians ;but no. The point is that one can see striking similarities in Kpop and American music. However, I think Suga did a variation of one of his own songs using traditional Korean instruments and was fantastic! GDragon did one and mixed with the electronics. T.O.P.: Doom Da Da are examples of using traditional Korean music mixed with electronic Super Junior, along with PSY, tapped into other styles but maintained that Korean culture. Did RM not introduce us to the independent artists in S.Korea? Likewise, the HU maintained their cultural identity through Mongolian Folk Metal and gave a shout out to Metallica and duet with Izzy Hale. There is originality. American music copies off each other and whatever. Saying New Jeans is ; how?
@notlonely.everybodyisanexpert kpop isn't just the musical similarities but it's also the styling and the lingo used in kpop! Rap itself is American invention. Jazz, disco, r and b, soul. These are American inventions. The music industry itself is American.
Bang pd, jyp and other creators of labels spent time in America learning the business and took what they learned to SK music scene. The early kpop was a direct copy of westernized music. You cannot remove the west from kpop.. Kpop is its own thing but it is NOT mainstream here. BTS blew kpop up here. But yes I wish kpop was more traditionally korean and less western lite. But kpop is intertwined with us. I get it. No shade. The goal is to be global. Especially with social media. But the carribean, latin or afro beats or sound. None of that is korean either. It is what it is but that's one reason kpop isn't taken seriously in the west. A lot of the hip hop community don't see suga as like a real MC. KPOP fans do but in American hip hop circles? Ehhh....Drake and Kendrick Lamar are the standard. Jay-z etc. America itself has a hard time accepting foreigners in the industry. Especially men!!! There is cultural difference In how korean idols move and operate vs American ones. Visually and racially it's hard for audiences to fully accept here. BTS truly did the unimaginable. But faced a lot of racism and hate here. People called them effeminate and strange. Unattractive. Too korean. Niche. Weird. Sad really.
I'm really glad that Be:Lift released that documentary style video explaining their side. The lack of translation subtitles might be because it was made to address the Korean public whose sentiments immediately impact the lives of the people under fire from the plagiarism accusations. Has the Korean public been swayed though? Did their efforts work?
I hope it did. I just feel like it will take more than this to drive the point home, considering how long the Korean public stood by MHJ. These false claims must have caused Be:Lift's team, artists, and their families a lot of emotional and psychological pain. I hope this eases the stress they get from others in some way.
Protect Newjeans.
If All Hybe companies are suing MHJ and Ador, they need to follow the money trail of her payments to her attorneys. Is it her money or Adors?
She used her own money she said. And because Hybe lose the trail, they need to pay part of that for her.
@soultune908 No. The court stated that hybe should pay for her payment to her attorneys. But both of them hired top class attorneys and they are v expensive. And hybe only needs to pay her just general level class cost by law. Which is around 0.5% of what she paid.
SHE SHOULD BE SUED AND LOCKED UP FOR THE DEFAMATION SHE IS DOING ON HYBE AND BTS!!!
@@user-dd5qo2gu6pshe is the one who filed the injunction not hybe.why would hybe pay for her attorneys?
@@sowhat4032cause they loose that injunction court in the states is like that but I didn't know that it was the same in Korea.
This is part of the 'Long Game' to show that Ms Min was betraying HYBE via Hurting HYBE labels.
tbh belift hurted themselves. 2% drop on stocks right after the video- go figure
@@Eueubee09 we will see who ends up hurt…… it is not going to be BeLift, or Illit. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@cyann410 You're still talking hahaha... Isnt Illit getting hurt tho? Aren't you supposed to be watching? hahaha
@@Eueubee09 did you see the crowds of fans at the airport, to see NJ off for their Japan concert and activities? Me either! No crowds, just an almost empty airport…. And then the girls standing there in front of the very small press corps, looking around, like, Where are our mobs of fans? Aren’t we famous? hahahahaaa!
@@cyann410 another day to be embarrassed... Sure when they entered the door, the crowd were cleared, you should've seen the crowd after the escalator. You see a clip, come-up with a conclusion and call my attention. Try harder, make it worth my time *sigh*
You like how all of hybe is lit up for Jin except one floor
the video is presented in a professional and rational manner compared to min heejin's histrionic and tabloid-ish accusations. it also very cleverly exposes min heejin's self-serving lies and manipulations. it looks like min heejin will be in for a nasty surprise with the defamation lawsuits filed against her.
Professional way ?
Are you fr
They sexualized NJ
BTW the plagiarism allegations started before MHJ
In reality it’s the opposite
@@cristtya.a2280 twisting it shin queen manipulators. Those are facts btw
@@shinobione2575 yes loud construction 16th floor
Professional way 😂😂😂😂
MHJ is burning her house down in slow motion. What brands will want to be associated with NJ and MHJ, given all the controversy and animosity MHJ has generated.
실제로는 반대야 ㅋㅋㅎㅋ🤭
@@Userqfx c'est exactement les domages causé aux autres artistes qui vont entrainer la chute de MHJ et d'ADOR.
@@bree4916노노 이거 다 하이브 때문이야
@@Userqfx j'ai vu un documentaire sur un tueur en série qui avait le même type de raisonnement que toi face aux policiers.
@@bree4916 ??? I'm serial killer??
The fans were scared by what they said about her style being for adult men but MHJ was the one who had the idea of that concept. The lady is very strange. The video is full of bot comments.
Apparently, she's been sus ever since her days at SM, which is why she doesn't work there anymore.
If you look at the comments left by Min Hee-jin and New Jeans fans in Le Seraphim and illit videos, that's too much. It's the bullying. I can see the madness, and I doubt that these people are other organizations in the public mask. That's how aggressive and actionable it is.I'm very concerned.
It's a really immature tactic
Yes they call it supporting NJ
But its just spreading hate. I am still not a fan of either group but i feel for Illit and Leserrafim and lowkey supporting them.
@@priny_nb Yez, I'm no fan of kpop girl grps but thanks to Min HJ & NJ fans' unbelievably hateful vitriolic, I started to feel sorry for Ilit & Leserrafim. They were minding their own biz & suddenly those rabbits or wotever they call themselves, were targeting torrents of abuse at them. In the initial stages there was a lot of concern for NJ but their parents got into the fray & I started feeling less sympathy. Now I wonder if these same parents ever thot abt the parents of Ilit & Leserrafim & why BeLift now feels compelled to fight back.
The people who made the terrible comments were LE SSERAFIM and HYBE haters, not newjeans fans.
This woman has created such a mess! Then has the audacity to want to reconciliate with Hybe and pretend she didn't start this. I cant' stand her lack of respect, and the lies upon lies. Hopefully this all will have a favorable conclusion. Thanks Sean for another enlightening video!
Thanks for making these videos. There are so many content creators jumping on a bandwagon for views and are careless of the damage.
Yes! He truly offers an all-encompassing view on every facet of this mess, from the shady media plays to aspects of Korean culture.
The hate is now directed at BELIET and it’s Groups. I am an older Engene and have been with Enhypen and BELIFT from the beginning. Now that BELIFT is suing MHJ and Adore, there are articles and SM posts trying to drag the fandom and Enhypen into this mess. Most of us don’t care about MHJ or New Jeans. We are too busy supporting Enhypen’s latest album, Jay’s collaboration with the Japanese rock band Glay and getting ready for the July comeback. Some Engenes have criticized BELIFT in the past over issues related to the boys safety, making sure the boys are not overworked and negative hate SM posts directed at Enhypen. What is being said about BELFT as it relates to negative backlash from Engenes because of New Jeans and MHJ does not ring true to me. From my point of view I am glad that BELIET is finally speaking out and suing over how their artists are being mistreated. They usually don’t do this enough.I am also very tired of New Jeans fandom and MHJ dragging other fandoms and groups into her fight with HYBE.I can’t wait until she is gone. Her actions and that of the Bunnies Fandom have unfortunately turned me against New Jeans
Totally agree. She has effected and infected so many naive viewers who take her histrionics as truth. I actually don't know Enhypen, I'll put them on my list to check out.
These people are softer because HYBE is a company whose work ethic is built on respect. Even the janitor is addressed politely, even the general director can be politely called, but by last name, not by position. And this woman betrayed their trust.
lol thats why HYBE lose🤣🤣so funny
@@tci24 Seriously, so abuse people more to receive respect? Yea, brave new world. Y'all are nuts. When good is punished, guess what comes next...
@@Sherluck93 lol hybe abusing his employee and loses on court 😂😂
@@tci24 lol away. Enjoy it while it lasts.
@@Sherluck93 lol imagine corporation vs one person and still lose😂😂
I really hope BeLift wins so they can boot her butt out already. To be honest all girl groups look the same to me and so do their dances. I think Kpop in general all groups boy and girl dances have similarities. I think there are just moves that are standard and are used in everyone’s dances. If MHJ wants to complain about the Hanbok then didn’t she copy BTS? Cause they did that concept back in 2022-23. She really is mental. Just want all of this to go away. I feel really bad that Jin is coming back to this.
No, actually much earlier than 2022-2023. BTS has used hanbocks since their early Run BTS series, as well as their Ddaeng and Idol MVs and stage performances - ALL which PREDATE the hiring of MHJ, the formation of Ador, and the concept for and the debut of NJ!!!!!!
@@nataliacoggins6769 I know but most recently and the last time was like in 2022-23 when they released Proof. Just think it’s dumb of her to even complain about it. She’s reaching for anything and everything cause she’s crazy!
It would be like the Jackson family suing for plagiarism every time ANY artist did a crotch grab like the King of Pop! It’s just laughable!
@@BrandInMT Thank you for making me spit out my coffee!!!!! Your remark was hilarious and made my day!!!!!! 😅😂😂😂😂😂😂
Of course Jin's return also made my day!!!!! 💜
Indeed. I was thinking that even in world-renowned ballet companies, the dance steps are the same...each version of the same work is found thanks to the interpretation of the different dancers, and not otherwise.
That ajumma should focus on polishing the girls so that they provide the best version of themselves as artists instead of wasting time and resources looking at others to find the things that are common in all groups of kpop.
Be:Lift should add subtitles for international audiences to make it easier for them to spread their message. As we've already seen its been mainly international fans that have been able to see past MHJ lies.
Exactly... Now international fans is only basing their opinion on what others interpret it to be. Heck the video subject is about MHJ, though whats discussed was Belift (and how the video isn't bad at all, while news outlet like JBTC says otherwise)
Spreading their misinformation. They are deleting negative comments which recently was 92% of comments. She has the receipts to prove her statements...emails and texts.
@@Eueubee09 I think they are specifically targeting the misguided K-audiences. I agree, they should add subs. But might be on purpose to spread their message through K-side first. International fans have already understood that MHJ is shady.
@@Sherluck93 That could be their intent, but the interpretation of this channel is so dismissive of the bad of hybe/belift's video
@@Eueubee09 It's just one of many voices. You don't have to agree with what he says. But it's always good to also listen to and consider opinions that differ from your own.
MHJ is such an embarrassment. Her claim of plagiarism is a hypocrite move. Get this woman out of HYBE.
If ILLIT's lawsuit is the catalyst to triggering the clause in MHJ's contract to fire her, I will laugh SO hard 😂
@@The_Super_NOVA ???? It's two different cases dude.
Nah let her stay! Hybe, BTS ,army ,and the rest of the group she drag into this mess needs their sweet time.
HYBE is tied up by law, so she can't leave.
She wants to escape, but she's tied up.
Another great Video Sean. BE: LIFT is how a professional company addresses conflicts. Appropriate and clear. So is MHJ basically going to hold a press conference whenever she is unhappy?
As soon as we heard about MHJ and her claims we knew she had some serious issues, now it should be perfectly clear to everyone. Now she wants to involve Elle Magazine? Soon all industries will be through with her. Honestly, I hope the whole Hybe building file lawsuits against her.
Don't know who's funding that weird woman but I'm sure they didn't count on all of this taking place. Her battle was lost from day one!
Glad to hear the BeLift lawsuit is still progressing. Also, ❤ ❤ your breakdown explanation of the nuances within this lawsuit, as the public doesn't really understand everything about the Korean history of and the basics of the Korean entertainment business culture of Hybe and all other companies!!!! I can't wait for BeLifts documentary to air with real regular employees talking about how MHJ's plagiarism accusations have hurt them and their company's viability!!!!! All of the employees did a wonderful job in explaining how their work was not plagiarized, from hairstyles to magazine ad clothing choice (picked by the magazines, not the company) in spreads. Especially the hanbocks, with photo stills predating NJ of idol groups wearing hanbocks. 😅😂 But especially the choreographer, who showed by MHJ's own logic, NJ "plagiarized" Bollywood dance moves and how illet's differed and made it more of a Kpop move! He also explained that a specific dance move MHJ claims illet stole is a basic transition/connection move has been used by every idol group since forever.
Set the damages at $10 million, to include potential future revenues lost. That way, if the judge whittles it down, it will at least be over the $1 million needed to fire MHJ under her Hybe/Ador contract!!
Overall, this makes MHJ look like an idiot for even making these plagiarism accusations!!! 😅😂 🤣
Yes I’m glad these comments are supporting illit a lot of knetz are against them but MINHEEJIN is a walking red flag like how do you believe her
Big American employers has a “bucket” for firing top-ranking executives (above the staff level), called “at-will”for firing the most highly paid executives, which is usually written into their contract.
Honestly, the pettiness of MHJ makes her look like the worst kind of “b*ch”given how much she is paid, her high status in the HYBE hierarchy, and her ability to do a public media show (“circus”) any time she feels the need to pump herself up. Doesn’t she have a life?
MHJ already looked like an idiot after that first press conference. She lost any credibility after that overdone drama show. And the fact she hasn't complied with the legal requirement to hand in her laptop .... only reason for that is she had something to hide. Red flag for guilty.
@@lizbailey7748 literally ppl are just crazy siding with her😭😭
I am here for the employees always and bts. But the true backbone of any company is its staff and behind the scenes talent!!!
MHJ was playing checker. HYBE comes with a whole new chessboard game
I don’t see it honestly that Belift video was really stupid
Love this analogy!
@@jordanmckoy6006 u will be surprised how stupid stuff can get better results
@@jordanmckoy6006well you need stupid methods to deal with stupid folk and MHJ is stupid
@@jordanmckoy6006 I think the point they want to prove is HYBE will speak up for their artist if need be. And I think ILLIT needs to see this effort. They have seen nothing but the dark side of kpop ever since they landed. They don't even have loyal supporters that will rally like bunnies rally for NJ. If HYBE or BELIFT that directly works with them doesn't show them support in this situation they are gonna break. People were already salty about the reality show they came from. Then when they actually debuted they got dragged through the mud for no mistake of their own. This is the first time HYBE has taken this sort of approach and I think it is in favor of ILLIT. HYBE has always stuck to press releases as and when needed till now making a whole ppt kind of thing is a first for them. They don't give these kind of explanations especially when they have a legal case to fight. Even BTS has always answered with our legal team is looking into it.
Min Hee Jin went all in and failed. BE LIIFT came back with a counter attack that looks like a knock out. I dont see how Min Hee Jin still has a job when all this is over. They can file a civil suit for sure and say the damages are over 1 mil.
When you said the bunnies didnt finish because they don't have attention span! That's on point!
All the negativity about the belift video is intense. Its definitely because it displays MHJ's hypocrisy. I hope they win their case. Shes incapable of apologizing. Her narcissism won't allow it.
really I am so thankful that Belift did this for my sanity and more fir the sanity of the employees of Belift that are suffering bec of MHJ
I think media has an easier time to play the Korean Language against international fans since not all of us know how to read or speak Korean and then the translation apps are horrible as well, they don't even understand Korean, even Papago that is a Naver app doesn't always translate properly
This whole think on plagiarizing hair, clothes, makeup, dances or concepts is ridiculous, everything eventually gets reused, clothes in fashion in the past eventually comes back in style years later, there is only so much you can do with clothes,hair, makeup etc..... now when it comes to music, that's different, you can plagiarize more with same phrasing of chorus or same key cords things like that so where MHJ comes of with copying her, guess it's different, she can copy off other international artist, but if your another kpop group you can't copy her copying😂
Hope Belift is successful in their case, getting MHJ out will make everyone at HYBE more comfortable with the black cloud out of the building. No matter what happens, we at least know the there's only about a year left on MHJ contract so the evil will eventually be expelled
IM ALL THE WAY WITH HYBE!!!!!
Appreciate you! Glad BELIFT is standing up. Tired of people hating on Illit for no reason. If you focused on any group enough you could call plagiarism on countless things.
omg, give me a break. belift is standing up?
I am not even seeing or hearing her drama anymore. It's JUNE! Jin comes home in a few hours & BANGTANS 11TH ANNIVERYSARY is tomrrow! My friends have been sending me all the photos of how BEAUTIFUL SEOUL looks, completely covered in BANGTAN. I have been waiting too long to be in Korea. I'll be THERE a few day's prior to the rest of the teams discharge and won't come home till AFTER FESTA2025. Min Jin and her BS can not take away from the JOY the world feels right now over this weeks activities. SHE'S NOTHING and not worth talking about this week at all :)
Ditto to everything you said! 💜💜💜💜💜💜
Yes indeed
Did all you listened the longer version of Super Tuna? And the fan made animation of Wootteo and RJ welcoming him? It broke my hearth!!!
And the voice! His voice without proper preparation and manteinance!!! It is a dream come true!!!! Jin return was just so Jin and so dreamy and so perfect as him!!!
And now we have our moon to wait with us for our sun!!! 🥰💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
@@belaytriks AGREED!!!!!
I didn't know Illit but so I watch the MV of "Magnetic" alternating with BTS... I never watched Newjeans even out of curiosity... I don't want to add a view to these pretentious kids and above all not give success to Mhj...She has done too much harm!! Fortunately JIN comes out tomorrow and will change Kpop news!
Yes! thank you! I also stream Illit music in between my Bangtan streaming sessions even tho I'm not their fan. Also any past view i gave to Newjeans, i deleted them and pressed dislike to whatever came my way. I also don't watch anything with NJ anymore. Never seen spoiled bratz of this scale ever before
Seeing the video, my first reaction was that it was a terrible move. But from their perspective, they couldn’t just allow MHJ to keep the rumors going about plagiarism when they realized that she would keep bringing it up just to bring it up so they need something to defend themselves. Personally I would’ve tried stopping this video because fans would take it the wrong way, but why can’t they speak up?
In their minds, I am assuming they are fed up with all of these accusations. Some of them are truly extremes like that McDonald’s Choreo. I would be annoyed too. Would the choreographer have to study NJ’s to make sure nothing is the same so MHJ doesn’t complain?
The thing is there are similarities. They wanted a similar vibe, cute concepts, targeting teens etc. but if we compare Illit to NJ’s releases, and at NJ’s whole portfolio, they are different. Illit cannot replace NJ’s. Fueling it only strengthen online hate.
I don't actually like either group but in the long term I think Illit have the chance to be better than NJ. They seem to have more input and opportunity to grow as artists and develop their own ideas. Whereas NJ "has no talent and only succeeded because of MHJ" or at least that's what she says. How can they grow and develop if that's what their creator thinks.
Honestly when I saw the wrist dance move, the first thing I thought of was BTS's Black Swan from 2020 -- it's a small move that can be played out to different aesthetic results.
Talking about copying....MHJ totally copied BTS from the Gyeongbokgung Palace with Korean traditional wear. Why did she say BTS copied her? This is all so wrong and now it seems until we get rid of MHJ this is not going to stop.
Belift’s video got so much hate it’s crazy it even made the news for the hate it got
This gaslighter manipulation narcissist is proven
I'm glad Be:Lift is not taking this sitting down. Fighting!
If we want to be technical both girls did steps from the Run BTS choreography, so can anyone really own a dance move? 😂😂
It's crazy the amount of kids online who seem to think MHJ is some sort of godsend for NJ. Talk about a cult.
That's why they are kids.
WHO thinks of MHJ as a “godsend” ??? NO ONE y’all ignorant. Y’all say kpop fans take things out of context but YALL ANTIS ALSO take things out of context. We also don’t really like her BUT if she leaves BELIFT will ruin newjeans. Y’all idiots I swear. And if y’all aren’t “kids” and grown ass adults y’all should KNOW that Belift’s video IS DISGUSTING AND WRONG. They way that video sexualize the members of newjeans is so disgusting and cruel. If y’all side with belift then that just goes to show y’all think just like them…
It's bizarre how Min Hee Jin has been able to employ teenage mean girl tactics for what appears to be the majority of her career. Typical of a spoiled, temperamental, nepo-baby she seems to have been completely oblivious to the inevitable consequences her actions would bring. Funnier yet is her wanting to play the reconciliation card after having poisoned her own well. They can't bag this snake fast enough.
Wow I really love (& envy) how u hv such a way with words. Wish I had just half yr ability 👏👏
@@jimijin2020 Ahh, well thank you friend, that's very kind of you to say, much appreciated. Hope you have as wonderful a day as you've made mine. 😀❤
@@DonnaBernauer 💜from someone halfway across the globe fr where u r I suspect, namely S E Asia. English not being my mother tongue but our medium of instruction in natl schools is English & I do struggle some times. Happy to hv made yr day 😊
@@jimijin2020 Indeed, you have. So you can speak, at the very least, two languages. Guess I'm the envious one now, I can only speak English. Anyhoo, from across the globe, Borahae, my friend 💜
Wouldn't it be smarter to have all of the groups she's mentioned sue her for defamation? Then, the amounts would add up to the $1 million quicker.
It would be interesting but I doubt that BTS do that if and only if I will pay to see her face when they step inside the courtroom!!! And the judge as well specially if news from other countries are there!! 🤭🤭😈
IMO that could be viewed as workplace harassment and intimidation. Easier to win if charges are filed separately anyway. More money for lawyers. Trust me her lawyers will like raking in the dough too. Besides this will keep her busy at the courts and have a hard time being effective as a Sham of a CEO. Based on how she seems, this thing she started will be gnawing at her in and out. File multiple lawsuits. Have her use up her money. In the process Ador's value will plummet. Whatever she had built, it will be in tatters.
24:00 reminded me of that instagram reels i saw few days ago where they showed another old bollywood song using the same hand movement as new jeans and the comments were all joking like "MHJ will come after them lmao". As an Indian, lot of Indian songs have similar dance steps but none of us complain about plagiarism.
*edit* : yes you did mention the same thing lmao. 24:37
Ikr literally mhj has sexualised them. It has been an issue since debut but suddenly everyone is in denial. There's literally the maknae wearing a top that has the same covering as underwear.
what she did to em
poor nwjns.. belift even said nwjns is adult fantasies.. like thats embarrassing n not professional at all
Any minute now she is gonna call for a press conference again or show up at a major tv network, complaining and whining about other sub-labels are ganging up on her and play the f*cking victim card. Accusing Hybe of orchestrating the whole thing. Not gonna lie, am starting to get entertained again.
I couldn't watch another one of her press conferences, makes me cringe. Hope if she does the networks tell her to get lost, but unfortunately......
@@lizbailey7748 Networks & lawyers are the ones that don't lose 🙄& oh the shamans too
Nj and Mhj digging there own grave. Jin is back. Jinhit entertainment will kick her ass people now are interested on jins activities. All media now is interested on Jin's back. All eyes on jins now.
The Belift Lab video is very informative, so I recommend it, even if you don't understand Korean, but unfortunately there are so many hate comments by min hee jin supporters.
Possibly (at least) some of them may be paid, but the media (Korean and American) are saying that the video backfired, because of the hate comments.
Sean, thanks for this excellent video!
You can check the comment section and fact check. There's both positive and negative, but generally it is the closest you'll get in fact finding what is correctly interpreted VS translated by Stan Media like this.
@@Eueubee09 Did you just call a RUclips
Comment Section as the best place to find FACTS ???
@@HailToTheMeep as a reference... If you don't understand korean. Also you'll need to check news outlet like JTBC and Arirang hahaha
@@HailToTheMeep I mean if they comments are really bots. Respond to chats, and see if the alleged bots were just created this year hahaha
Min hee jin hired a 'public affairs' company for media manipulation (it is also hired by the law firm that represents her), which may be responsible for (at least) some of hate comments.
Sean has a really good video on this.
This is so far from being over. Let the lawsuits begin against her! She has told so many lies that she has to tell more lies to cover all the other lies. It's clear that she's trying to throw many others under the bus. Sean, thank you for your hard work, not only on this story, but tons more before it. Could you also shine a light of what SM is trying to do to EXO-CBX?
What rumors have you heard? I thought EXO China was over after the law suits.
In my opinion, Ador and MHJ's strategy is to win the court of public opinion while Belift is going the more, specific, technical, and court of law strategy
I am not a great dancer, but I watched "Magnetic" and "Lucky Girl Syndrome," and I don't see the resemblance to NewJeans. They aren't my jam, but, as a 56 year old woman, I am apparently not their target audience. They are super cute though, and I would totally recommend them to a teenager who wanted accessible K-pop. Perhaps MHJ should learn to dance.
To hide her betrayal to HYBE, MHJ target ILLIT debut when chart-stats started to rise coz her NJ debut accomplishment well kiss goodbye. But ....😂😂😂😂, she may really has to stop her own copying Y2K style coz new GGs has and will come out stronger due to her greed and stupidity. She's tried destroying hybe for her own crowning glory!? 😅 Did she really succeed and victorious as she claimed? 🤪🤪
I think it's good that the label makes statements defending itself against the lady's accusations, although I have always thought that the lady accused this of "plagiarism" when they discovered her plans, since she never did more than blame and declare but she did not sue for the alleged "plagiarism." "and she didn't talk about it anymore, she just started attacking and dragging other groups into his drama.
Yes a classic case of misdirection. Typical behaviour of criminals who have guilty secrets to hide.
Oml for 15:16
MJH wasn’t saying they “copied their hair” but was trying to emphasize that by having similar hair, style of music, merch, coloring etc it just makes it all the more weird on how the more SIMILAR the two groups are. Like having ALL members debut with long lushes hair and then netizens realizing “oh this group reminds me of someone, oh yeahhh Newjeans!” It just makes it worse. She NEVER said it was straight up copying of hair style but the way it’s similar. 🤦♀️
This video really shows that depending on where you look for an explanation of this video you find different bubbles. On a website i just see so much hate for Illit and being like they made their own grave. But then they don't even bother going else there to look more into it. Just shows how people in general just go to their one adresse to find out about stuff and never look at different sides. it is so dangerous for everyone. Please people look at all the sites of the stories and make up your own mind.
I liked the video, thank you for keeping it so logical.
I saw a couple of those. It sounds like paid for media crap and teenage girls who have been sucked by Min and don't understand what kind of person she is. I think hybe USA is going to go after her too.
I have never been this invested in a kpop scandal that involved a group I didn't like. I find the legal, financial, social, and artistic sides of this so interesting.
Also, having known from the first debut announcement that I wouldn't stan this group because something was "off" with them, it's so affirming to see this group be at the eye of the storm. No, I'm not saying I'm glad, just vindicated. Basically, "I told you so". The debut of minors and acting like an obviously retro concept was "so original" rubbed me the wrong way from the start. You reap what you sew, MHJ.
I appreciate your take on this. Min was counting on the fact that her “original concept” is from a time that most bunnies were not even born. She counting on the fact that New Jeans is a play on Destiny’s Child; TLC; Blaque; ect- these are all Black American girl groups form the 90’s. This is just a recycled formula and the bunnies are having a hard time with that idea because Min told them different.
Agreed, me too. I was turned off by using miners as sexual objects
@@tiffaniethornton9187 Well that and she appears to be an entitled narcissist. In her eyes, she can do no wrong, everyone is out to get her, and she deserves whatever she desires. Her attitude of "owning" and "creating" these concepts, dance styles, and fashion trends has created artists and fans with the very same attitude.
The whole NJ circle is grossly bloated with entitlement from blessings they didn't earn. Take the brand deals as example. If I remember correctly, they got those big fashion brand endorsements pre-debut or soon after debut as rookies. Normally, that is something idols earn after years of hard work, IF they reach that milestone at all. But now the industry revolves around praising rookies for just existing, which is creating these entitled rookies (see also: 50 50). So NJ gets worshipped pre-debut and grow to expect that everyone just bow down to them, their demands, and their recycled concepts.
(When I say NJ, I'm partly referring to the group, the fans, and MHJ all together.)
BEST COMMENT! I FEEL THE SAME WAY!!❤❤ I'm 48 and seen all these new concepts before in america. I died laughing. Like are you serious? Original? Where kpop is hardly ever original
@@NomadicKitty I hear you, I am 53.
The hand movement is used in Bollywood Music film Industry eg India.
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Concept cannot be copyrighted. Dance step cannot be copyrighted. Damce choreo maybe can be copyrighted. Song definetily can be copyrighted, but how much bars that consider plagiarism, it depend the country.
Let me inform people MHJ is NOT a music producer. She is artistic director in control of concepts, styling, wardrobe etc.she doesnt make the music!! Dont take away the real talent behind NJ or these groups its the writers and producers!!
NJ producer 250 is also MHJ's minion so no need to praise him either. He also copied underrated foreign music to make NJ songs thinking no one will notice lol. Seems like copying and recycling runs in the blood of that household
@madkmadk6809 I agree but people commenting thinking that mhj is a producer of music. That's what I was referring to. The music is ok but I'm saying mhj doesn't do the music so her "talent" and taking credit of NJ success I find a bit odd for her to leave out that the music is the draw. You can have the best concept but if your music sucks no one is listening or buying.
Exactly. It doesn't matter if you like or dislike the people involved, we gotta proper credit to the proper people. It's so fucking annoying to see a non-musician referred as such.
@raccoonchild that's why I'm kinda confused as to her importance. She isn't a songwriter or producer or an engineer. Sooooo....she's doesnt do hair nor makeup. She's basically product and brand manager with a stylist mixed in. She's marketing. Kpop business is so odd. In the u.s. she wouldn't be much of anything besides an executive marketing manager. She would work with a team of people. Wardrobe, hair, makeup. Draw up ideas and present them to the label and the artist for mv and appearances etc. It's a basic job in the industry and an independent contractor kinda position. Music is decided by the label and the artist. Concepts is a kpop thing with too much emphasis and importance. Let the artist talent shine. Or lack of. Music and choreo sells records. Stage presentation
A lot of these so called ytubers who are believing the smoke screen MHJ put up, lack a conscience and have no clue about legal issues. They are acting like sheep trying to put out deep dives where everything they say sounds like BS. Seoullite you are the only one who actually knows what you are talking about and your knowledge gives us the viewers a perspective that we sometimes miss.
I think the absurdity of these claims got hijacked by all the press conference drama and stuff, because they were always so blatantly stupid...and I am SO glad Be:Lift decided to put a big ass spotlight on the ridiculousness of MHJ's accusations and at the same time took the chance to call her out on her hypochrisy. Thanks so much for the update!
When I watched the New Jeans receht MV Bubblegum I couldn't help but think of you calling it way long ago during the Cookie" release, that New Jeans project creepy sexual undertones, (even though they are so young ). Especially the Bubblegum scene on the beach where the bubblegum she puts toward her mouth is clearly in the shape of a male body part. I am not a prude, but to me the biggest thing I do not like about the New Jeans concept is that they pretend they are so sweet and innocent while sneaking in adult themed subliminal things. Plus the girls truly seem to have been handed a silver platter with access to Hybe's best artists/creators work, yet they act as if it's their talents alone that got them this huge success. I'd prefer to follow and fan a group that has impressive individual talents and work ethics. I respect groups that properly acknowledge when others talents/funds assist them to having hits.
Hybe musics are really good weather you want to admit it or not. They always give their artists good music and promote them well but they get stab by Min Heejin and NewJeans. NewJeans rather dance with Aespa then have any interactions or a dance Challenge with Hybe girl groups. I think they think they are too good to be see with them. Min Heejin want to be separate from Hybe so bad to the point that they rather get long with some other group from other Company than groups that are under the same umbrella with them. Now everything they do is fake.
Illit"s concept is very much odd girls in high school, cute but still quirking finding out almost very recently that they are actually cute and not just odd girls in school and owning that hence "lucky girl syndrome". Never saw substance in the imitation claims, the other side should dead that claim, they are beginning to look like their minds are not as creative as they seemed.
MHJ seems to have no creativity with New Jeans she copies others in their clothes, choreography, and places to do videos. She did state HYBE copied her with BTS. She always tries to correct herself or say I never said that when she did. It seems she needs to back away from ADOR before she dies more harm than good. What I really like to know is why her shaman stated "Lets not have what happened at SM happen again." What did she do at SM and why did she leave
From my understanding of the Korean I've learnt, the shaman was indicating of a past Anti BTS sabotage mission she started while working at SM in order to help SM but it seems they failed that time so she's saying that to remind MHJ to not fail this time
That and oversexualizing a young boy group she was working with, from my understanding. Really cringy photo shoots for their ages.
The rest of the building 🏢 - the 16th floor 😂
MHJ said she protects her girls. But dragging other artist..within the Hybe itself is such childish. She can go all the way "protect" herself,and NJ but dragging other artists within the company is a big No No.
What a shameless Min Heejin and his followers
Harmful people who always speak in their favor and attack and insist on their opponents with lies that are not true
Glad that they make it documentary style instead of going to broadcasting studios that have interviewers that have already sets of questions that may have been hostile towards belift, that instead of clarify the issue may have been made more chaotic and controversial just to drag along the issue
I wonder if the fandom can sue MHJ for emotional distress
All the fandoms of all the groups that she dragged into this! FR! 😅😂😅
I love this post because all these people are giving negative feedback on the video but in essence, this was just them finally fighting back. Also, the translations seem very different from the what you are stating. It was typical mean girl behavior to start all this drama then claim to want to stop the drama when the ones she hurt are starting to fight back.
To be honest, these kpop channels are not helping because they are spinning this to MHJ's favor.
Thanks so much, Sean. I rely on your breakdowns to keep me up to speed with what is going on with this case. You're videos always lay it out well.
In the documentary-style rebuttal video of Belift, haters who mocked and bullied Eilit have flocked to the site and are terrorizing her again
In addition, some trash media, which were friendly to Min Hee-jin, reported that Billie Lab faced headwinds
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Try using DeepL 😅
Let NJ go the way of fifty fifty. Where are they now? 😂 they'll be alright. But one group or person shouldn't have the power to take down a company or industry. Im.a business owner so this is sillly. No one wins if HYBE loses money..no one. Not BTS, NOT The fans, not the industry or employees no one.
I think that the more than 50,000 comments on BELIFT LAB Announcement's video reflect the public's opinion.
no... This delulus are claiming those are bots, media company or alien intercepting earth's bandwidth... Like what?
I checked the accounts of the comments (sure there are some shady accounts), but a lot are from accounts not made this year.
@@Eueubee09 about the account matter, my account was deleted by RUclips after I tried to "spam" 10 comments about Hybe 'cause they kept being deleted. So I created new account and keep on commenting to cheer for NJs girls. So yep, I'm not Bot.
No. Those reflect the opinions of idol fans who knows Korean, or kpop fans and Koreaboos who knows how to use Google Translate. The Korean public does not care for idols or their fandoms. The general public all over the world do not care for kpop or the Korean kpop industry. The "public" as far as kpop topics are concerned are mainly intelligent, professional, English speaking people.
@@Eueubee09you know they can old accounts jokes on you. That’s why ICPO is tracking & sending litigation papers in their doorsteps
@@felixfors9340 a big percent of 50k comments? That implies... Finish your statement
Just imagine Michael Jackson, RIP, he was copied by many artists worldwide from dance moves, hairstyles, jackets, gloves, socks, shoes, etc. I don’t think Michael Jackson or his estate sued anyone. Actually, it made him more famous than ever. 😄
Now, with Jin back, you know that bish is quaking in her boots, hiding in her office with the door locked. When Jin hears everything she has done and said, you know he is going to make a statement, in his own, very “Jin” way. I am expecting him to do a dance challenge or something, with Illit. I do not like any girl group, but I have been streaming Illit, and will support them anyway.
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I am not a stan of either of these groups just a lover of kpop and an unbiased observer. This is a battle of the egos but as a woman & a mother I want the men involved in this to know that you CANNOT beat a manipulative person with words. Rather than trying to argue with her legally or in anyway what you need to do is stand on your talent!! That’s all! Draw the focus back to illit’s talent and the Be:lift’s creative talent. Start posting videos of the girls doing things in a unique way that is far removed from the industry standard and focus on cementing their brand instead of arguing over what he said she said. Someone with a big ego is willing to sink the whole ship before they ever take responsibility for anything they did. They can easily ruin all of kpop in order to keep their ego intact,don’t give them that ammunition. Focus on the girls next come back and make sure it has everyone gagged so that it cements illit’s brand not as a new jeans competitor but sets them in their own lane. No amount of court or talking will win against Min hee jin because she stands on her talent (plagiarised or not she made new jeans the it girls). Stand on your talent Be:lift and stop trying to nurse bruised egos at the cost of these young girls dreams. So what she said you copied her homework, ace the next test and show it to yourselves and everyone else that you didn’t copy her homework. Learn from western artists, Beyoncé doesn’t address any plagiarism she just makes sure the next album is worth talking about for the right reason, Arianna Grande didn’t respond to the media calling her names, she put it all in her art and brought the focus back to her art, Beyoncé did the same thing with lemonade, she put it all into her art so that the focus is on her art not the rumours. Leverage your art that’s the only way to shut anyone up.
I see what you are saying and agree but South Korea isn't the west. Here we don't care about music industry corporate bs and pick a side. It will make news and people move on. No one issued death threats to beyonce or AG over plagiarism claims etc.
Illit is getting that and more. The stock of HYBE is down because of this. labels don't take hits over bs like this in America. It's up to the artist to defend themselves or not. But you have a label with employees to pay. So in other words in America you have bad PR and gossip. In Korea you have people actually losing money over this and hate campaigns. So it's different
BTS, and especially Rapline, have written haters into their songs many times, and currently we have RM'S new album, in which half of his songs are point blank aimed at haters and users, but they've established their names, and I'm not sure this tactic would work for Illit... not unless they straight up went from girly to bada*s overnight. Hmm... 🤔🤔🤔
@@zoewebber62 I would just scream and dance if Illit would enter their bulletproof era! I'd 🤣 so hard. Or looking like 2NE1!! 😲 😱 kicking unicorns!
@@zoewebber62 There's no need to talk about haters or whatever, OP said they should just release good music. How hard can it be for a company with multiple producers at their disposal to produce a good song? I follow tons of solo artists who do it all on their own, (no 20 people per credit here) and have no problem releasing banger after banger, great music with great lyrics. Because they're great at what they do. ILLIT has to prove they're consistently good and their own thing, and hopefully, progressively, more and more involved in their own music, and they should be fine.
OP was talking about how others have spit back at their haters/antis through their songs, and I was merely pointing out that BTS and RM have also done this many times. I never once said anything against Illit, or any other group, except that I'm not sure that Illit could do the tactic OP was talking about, i.e. calling out their haters/antis with their songs. What I mean is that they would have to have really strong, REALLY strong rappers to be able to do this and make it work for them, which would be unusual for a girl group... not unheard of, but still unusual.
Yesterday I seen an English version of it, but it went to private immediately, but I managed to watch it. It was ridiculous. What she did to those girls and how they described her Deliberate, malicious accusations
There is a part in it when they ask her what she think about the idols that been hurt because of this and she answered in a very snappy way why you are mentioning this you are the ones who make it as big as it is
she attacked the journalist and dismiss it like it’s not her fault
Yes I watched it too. Very well set out and with evidence and examples. Totally the opposite to MHJs case.
@@lizbailey7748 it’s truly well done the way that they talk about it and the social media is so different of what it is I don’t think any of them watch it to begin with
Mhj supporters they are literally immune to logic and follow her like sheep
The way she operate it so familiar to me the way that BTS used to be maliciously attacked from Korean media I have this weird eerie feeling that I seen this before , I think she use this tactic a lot before but this time she didn’t get away with it , I think the plagiarising stuff that BTS always had to deal with she may used to have a hand to it , maybe I am overreaching but I can’t help it. It’s just too familiar.
The fact she was like I’m human to and that she’s entp or something abt her Mbti I was like what is she yapping abt😂😂
@@Illies_wonheheh i think we could give her that when it comes to bullshit and gaslighting. She is the queen of it. 😂😂
Yes, classic case of a manipulative sociopathic narcissistic bully! 😠😠😠
She be shaking in her boots now Kim Seokjin is Back and he doesn’t do nonsense
MHJ’s shaman or sister didn’t warn her to keep other groups names out her mouth?? 🤭 the hypocrisy and lack of self awareness are both comical and scary. She creeps me out.
You were deceived by HYBE's media play.
@@돈내옵바-p6fyou were deceived by Min's media play.
MHJ is just beyond ridiculous with her plagiarism accusation, period!!
This woman gives me Psycho River Killer vibes! Legit 😳
That Belift video really has 100K dislikes and 99% hate comments
it's bunnies & MHJ lackeys all over internet.
So sad that Koreans are not able to see the truth in how mhj has manipulated them!
Probably all MACOLL media sock accounts.
@@jordanmckoy6006 PEPEJA
In a war of attrition (as this now is) the one with the most resources (Hybe) will always win. I think MHJ saw that ILLIT is genuine competition and she wanted to strangle them at birth. Is $1 million a big award in cases like this in South Korea?
Cookie girls need to leave Hybe building ASAP.
30:40 LOVE this stance of Be:Lift about plagiarism. It's been used as a weapon, re-interpreted to benefit false claims and discredit people who work hard both in front of and behind the camera. Does plagiarism happen? Sure it does, but not all accusations are true and it's sad that majority of entertainment fans can't spot false claims like MHJ's. Many just ride the bandwagon thinking it's the best way to show support for artists they admire, without considering its consequences. It's about time someone makes a stance against this and I hope they win their case against MHJ.
Thanks for sharing 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
The idea of claiming copyright of a single dance move is as ridiculous as the idea of claiming copyright on a word. The creativity is not in any individual move, it's in how they're put together and expressed.
Love to see them reaching like this and I hope their whole house of cards comes tumbling down soon.
Cookie is a disgusting song.
Agreed. Blatantly pandering to the p3dos