I don't see how the jury could be unanimous on acquittal of leaving the scene of an accident, and then hang on manslaughter. She either hit him or she didn't. If, in someone's mind she's guilty of manslaughter, then she left the scene of an accident.
That’s my question also. I guess if they thought she accidentally hit him & didn’t know so she didn’t purposely ‘flee the scene’. But the CW said she hit him on purpose bc their relationship was contentious & they were fighting in the car.
The Judge and DA pushed them to reach a verdict. The defense pushed to have a hung jury. She declared a hung jury. She's crooked? She gave the defense what they wanted. She can't win no matter what. KR is guilty of hunting down JO and hittng him with the intent o harm. Unlucky for her, he died.
THROW OUT ALL CHARGES AGAINST HER..............BS CHARGES. AND START INVESTIGATION INTO THE MCALBERTS, MCCABES, HIGGINS, AND OTHERS INVOLVED. AND PROSECUTE MICHAEL PROCTOR. DO THE RIGHT THING.
@@melissadiaz2207 The jury's notes said nothing about that and the verdict forms are blank. These 3 jurors are disgruntled FreeKarenRead nuts who would've convicted her on all cgarges within minutes had the genders been reversed and KR were a male.
Yes, she's guilty of intending to hit him, but once she failed to respond to her craycray texts and voicemails, she realized she'd done more damaged than intended and panicked.
I pray it does, but anyone that's been around highly manipulative people will attest that the truth doesn't always come out. There has to be honest people who know the truth for it come out. Sounds like these jurors are the honest people we need 🙏
More like... Lally: [prior to the question being asked like someone with their hand on the buzzer] "ahhhhhbbb🤚🚨...." Lally: [a millisecond before the last syllable is out] "Objection 😏." Judge: [tired with zero regard] Sustaaained 🥱😒.
Proctor- Fire him. Without Pay. One down, with Many to go!!! Governor Healy it’s time for Reform. Taxpayers Should Not Have to Pay for Corruption of any Level.
Yes then charge Proctor for planting evidence, covering his up a crime and misleading the investigation and stop hem from ever being in law enforcement again and save some other place from having to deal with him.
She declared a mistrial, but I’m not sure she officially dismissed any of the charges, with or without prejudice. Her defense is just arguing that these two charges should be dismissed with prejudice.
@AntLab3Dprints Her father or brother represented Chris Albert in an oui death case 30 years ago and she has a summer house on the cape two streets over from their summer home. Several of the Albert's have referred to her as Aunty Bev.
how were they deadlocked on vehicular anything? Experts clearly stated it was not possible J.O. was hit by a vehicle, not just not Karen Reads vehicle but ANY VEHICLE AT ALL.
This is so suspicious to me. How does some jury members know she hit him but the states own medical examiner can’t say for sure , 2 fbi agents testified to no accident but a few jurors know beyond all doubt she hit him? Something’s wrong here.
@TRIALSMADEEASY That juror should have went to the judge and simply stated she can’t be fair and had herself dismissed. Shame on that juror for lying and trying to stay on the case.
Michael Proctor should be fired. His actions were inexcusable and the other police department or state department would have fired this guy immediately. I don’t know why they’re waiting. The evidence is clear. He is a bad cop and he’s not even good at his job. Why are they paying him almost $200,000 a year for that work that he’s doing?
The text response recorded by Informant B on David Yanetti's affidavit is crucial to the status of the second charge. The text in question reads: "No one thought she hit him on purpose or even thought she hit him on purpose [sic]." Obviously, the statement is saying the same thing twice, but what if the last two words were omitted and the second part of the statement read: "...or even thought she hit him"? I maintain that is likely the way the statement was intended to read, given the use of the word "even". That word "even" is used for emphasis and is intended to distinguish the second statement from the first, making a statement about the act itself ("hit him") whereas the original statement was more focused on intent ("on purpose"). If that is true, the second charge should also produce a NOT GUILTY verdict because one of the primary conditions that she struck Officer O'Keefe was not sufficiently proven to the jury. But the verdict form itself and accompanying instructions were so confusing that some jurors were unsure as to what they were voting on. If the jurors were plainly asked, "Do you believe the CW proved that Karen Read struck Officer O'Keefe with her SUV?" If they all were not convinced, she needs to be acquitted of all charges, period.
Almost all the jurors believe KR hit JO. Clearly they weren't as convinced by the crash daddy's dazzling display, dimples and all that sent the pink ladies a twitter.
@@blipco5 No. I saw scratches. Plus, was Chloe the only dog in town? No stray? No neighbor's dog that could've scratched him as he lay dying where KR had hit and left him to perish?
@@EyeColorAnalyzerUnika Thats what dog bites look like. There were puncture holes in his hoodie, and teeth gouges in his arm. That’s the way dogs bite. I was bitten two months ago. There were two puncture holes in my jeans and I was surprised to see the two gouges on my leg. A dog bites then pulls away. That’s
When I saw the gouges on John’s arm I knew exactly what they were. I use my scars to show people. They are all surprised. A tiger or a lion will hold on which will cause puncture wounds. Not a dog.
@@brettcantrell8650 Yes, free KR after 25 years behind bars. Because she's a 'girl' as Jackson argued doesn't mean she has special excuse to act out in rage.
Not surprising when you consider all the corruption, not just Procter but the DA, the McAlberts, higgins and considering the personal relationships between the judge and everyone involved. Just my opinion based on the info out there and its sad that the judge didn't recuse herself to begin with
@@MaureenODonovan the 3rd party experts proved John's injuries weren't caused by an SUV and also proved Karen's car damage was not caused by John's body.
This is Mass. The corruption in Government and Law enforcement goes back for many generations. All this lying, the coverups, the circling of the wagons etc it's just in their DNA now.
Don't shoot the messenger here. Three attorneys on the Vinnie Politan show all agreed that the Defense had opportunity to, but neglected to ask for jury polling. They also noted that the judge met with the jury before they headed home and both sides could have asked for polling at that time, but didn't. They also replayed the jury memos to the judge and noted there was no verbiage indicating they were just deadlocked on one count, and the other counts were fully agreed on as not guilty. What a mess! It was like they all ran a multi-month marathon and stopped just short of the finish line. I can't even imagine how much this trial has cost Karen Read, as well as the citizens.
@@EyeColorAnalyzerUnika - Exactly. That was a point the lawyers on Vinnie's show brought up. The defensed got immersed in the happiness and didn't even think beyond that. All sides should have finished the job by polling the jury. I'm thinking if the jury had been polled, and if what the defense is claiming is true (12-0 in favor of Karen Read on two counts), the state may have just said it's not worth retrying on the one count. Who knows. This is going to be interesting......
Don’t think it helped Karen R. to have that perpetual look of distain on her face every single day of her Trial. Nor does her air of superiority that she gave off during every single courtroom step Media interview! Something is definitely off with her And she is a turn-off
The defense was all hugs and kisses inside and outside the courtroom after the mistrial was declared, but now they're unhappy. No one asked if there was a verdict on any count because the jurors' notes clearly stated they could not and will never agree.
Caron, cause she’s guilty wtf is wrong with these bully thinking she’s innocent she’s thinks she’s a celebrity it’s down right disgusting and the poor O’Keefe family suffering where’s the justice in all this
@@EyeColorAnalyzerUnika I get that. But facts are facts. She coulda been the biggest hoe in town, but that still didn’t make her guilty. Not with these facts. I found the character of most of the prosecution’s wits to be lacking. All things being equal, she is still innocent.
Judge should be disbarred. She knew. She knew
She did!!
Agree 💯
You have no bar to be disbarred. You knew. You knew.
Judge Bev is a disgrace and has as much integrity as Proctor. and we know about Proctor. Off his desk and without pay.
Oh yeah
This Judge did this on purpose and should be investigated & removed from this case
I don't see how the jury could be unanimous on acquittal of leaving the scene of an accident, and then hang on manslaughter. She either hit him or she didn't. If, in someone's mind she's guilty of manslaughter, then she left the scene of an accident.
It all has to do with intent. TMZ put out a good story explaining the differences you could check it out
@@jaredscott6653'John, I fn hate you '.
They believe she didn't know she hit him.
@@jenniferdiaz2293 I wonder how they came up with she hit him when the states own medical examiner doesn’t even know she if him or not? 🤔
That’s my question also. I guess if they thought she accidentally hit him & didn’t know so she didn’t purposely ‘flee the scene’. But the CW said she hit him on purpose bc their relationship was contentious & they were fighting in the car.
Judge is crooked.
YES SHE SHOULD BE FIRED FROM THIS CASE AND FROM THE JOB.
The Judge and DA pushed them to reach a verdict. The defense pushed to have a hung jury. She declared a hung jury. She's crooked? She gave the defense what they wanted. She can't win no matter what. KR is guilty of hunting down JO and hittng him with the intent o harm. Unlucky for her, he died.
@@brettcantrell8650 Okay: your infernal all-caps has convinced me. 🙄
This whole case is a joke.
No special excuse for female rage.
So the jury form was a problem?
Among 99 other things.😂
@ThomasJones-ij6hv RIGHT!!! But that jury form wasn't clear.
THROW OUT ALL CHARGES AGAINST HER..............BS CHARGES. AND START INVESTIGATION INTO THE MCALBERTS, MCCABES, HIGGINS, AND OTHERS INVOLVED. AND PROSECUTE MICHAEL PROCTOR. DO THE RIGHT THING.
Don't forget the judge ~ Auntie Bev is deep in this
And if KR were a male?
💯
@@melissadiaz2207 The jury's notes said nothing about that and the verdict forms are blank. These 3 jurors are disgruntled FreeKarenRead nuts who would've convicted her on all cgarges within minutes had the genders been reversed and KR were a male.
@@melissadiaz2207 Nope. No special excuses for female rage.
the truth always comes to light.
Amen.
Karma will catch up one day. Fighting for innocence is one thing but trampling on others is despicable.
Yes, she's guilty of intending to hit him, but once she failed to respond to her craycray texts and voicemails, she realized she'd done more damaged than intended and panicked.
I pray it does, but anyone that's been around highly manipulative people will attest that the truth doesn't always come out. There has to be honest people who know the truth for it come out. Sounds like these jurors are the honest people we need 🙏
Objection! Sustained!
Sustain that you corrupt judge!!
More like...
Lally: [prior to the question being asked like someone with their hand on the buzzer] "ahhhhhbbb🤚🚨...."
Lally: [a millisecond before the last syllable is out]
"Objection 😏."
Judge: [tired with zero regard]
Sustaaained 🥱😒.
#crookedjudgebev will never throw out those charges. She needs to be investigated
YEP SHE SHOULD BE DISBARRED AND INVESTIGATED.
Up there she’ll never be convicted. They don’t like cops only call them when they need their street patrolled heavy.
They Kipling “ Tommy”
@@007mihaela
Watching Bev throughout the trial, she seems to like the attention.
It should all be thrown out. Just like all the evidence that the Alberts threw out.
But Karen killed him and admitted it. Guilty. Hearsay isn’t evidence
In my opinion, this woman should not be charged with anything. Hold the real killers accountable.
Murdaugh approves, as does OJ from the great beyond.
Proctor- Fire him. Without Pay. One down, with Many to go!!!
Governor Healy it’s time for Reform.
Taxpayers Should Not Have to Pay for Corruption of any Level.
Yes then charge Proctor for planting evidence, covering his up a crime and misleading the investigation and stop hem from ever being in law enforcement again and save some other place from having to deal with him.
Why wouldn't the judge have addressed this already?
SHE IS IN CAHOOTS WITH THE ALBERTS.
That’s half the issue, it seems she’s knows some players in the game.
She seemed bored with the whole thing
She declared a mistrial, but I’m not sure she officially dismissed any of the charges, with or without prejudice. Her defense is just arguing that these two charges should be dismissed with prejudice.
@AntLab3Dprints Her father or brother represented Chris Albert in an oui death case 30 years ago and she has a summer house on the cape two streets over from their summer home. Several of the Albert's have referred to her as Aunty Bev.
Corrrupt Auntie Bev.
Wrong. The second count is the one they were deadlocked!! Not third
Enjoying watching the cards fall 🍿👏👍
Look at the pink gang. Turtle tribe. What a legend brother. What a worm.
Hey lizzy.. still supporting proctor? hos many pizzas will alberts have to send over?
Absolutely not!
2nd count. Facts matter
“ I’ll allow it “
It’s not about messages. It’s about a setups coverup evidence tampering lying on the stand harassment releasing private information etc etc.
Messages are just a nice cherry on top!
No coverup, no framing. The jury wasn't buying it.
@@EyeColorAnalyzerUnika the feds are not buying it.. by proctor, bye Tully, by bukaki, by Kevin.
Heres my question. Is she one of those elected judges who don't need a law degree or is she a real judge with a real law degree.
I think appointed.. which means given .. by a governor or like that.
How can this information be missed? Why wasnt the defence informed she was not guilty on 2/3 charges?
Because it was declared a mistrial.
@@EC-dz3fband why was it declared a mistrial without first polling the jury about each charge?
not missed. intentionally withheld.
A mistrial on one count doesn’t preclude her right to acquittal on the other two counts. Judge is a crooked IDIOT.
He’s toast.
how were they deadlocked on vehicular anything? Experts clearly stated it was not possible J.O. was hit by a vehicle, not just not Karen Reads vehicle but ANY VEHICLE AT ALL.
This is so suspicious to me. How does some jury members know she hit him but the states own medical examiner can’t say for sure , 2 fbi agents testified to no accident but a few jurors know beyond all doubt she hit him? Something’s wrong here.
@@redcharm6173 its pretty strange, but one thing is sure, you should always bet on stupid.
@@user-oj4lx3sy5g So true.
@TRIALSMADEEASY That juror should have went to the judge and simply stated she can’t be fair and had herself dismissed. Shame on that juror for lying and trying to stay on the case.
@TRIALSMADEEASY Oh, well that’s good.👍
Michael Proctor should be fired. His actions were inexcusable and the other police department or state department would have fired this guy immediately. I don’t know why they’re waiting. The evidence is clear. He is a bad cop and he’s not even good at his job. Why are they paying him almost $200,000 a year for that work that he’s doing?
Not guilty
2 out of 3 is still guilty on one.
The text response recorded by Informant B on David Yanetti's affidavit is crucial to the status of the second charge. The text in question reads: "No one thought she hit him on purpose or even thought she hit him on purpose [sic]." Obviously, the statement is saying the same thing twice, but what if the last two words were omitted and the second part of the statement read: "...or even thought she hit him"?
I maintain that is likely the way the statement was intended to read, given the use of the word "even". That word "even" is used for emphasis and is intended to distinguish the second statement from the first, making a statement about the act itself ("hit him") whereas the original statement was more focused on intent ("on purpose").
If that is true, the second charge should also produce a NOT GUILTY verdict because one of the primary conditions that she struck Officer O'Keefe was not sufficiently proven to the jury. But the verdict form itself and accompanying instructions were so confusing that some jurors were unsure as to what they were voting on. If the jurors were plainly asked, "Do you believe the CW proved that Karen Read struck Officer O'Keefe with her SUV?" If they all were not convinced, she needs to be acquitted of all charges, period.
Any charges that involve KR hitting JO with her car should be dropped. She did not hit him. CARS DON'T BITE!
Almost all the jurors believe KR hit JO. Clearly they weren't as convinced by the crash daddy's dazzling display, dimples and all that sent the pink ladies a twitter.
@@EyeColorAnalyzerUnika Did you not see the dog bites on JO's arm?
@@blipco5 No. I saw scratches. Plus, was Chloe the only dog in town? No stray? No neighbor's dog that could've scratched him as he lay dying where KR had hit and left him to perish?
@@EyeColorAnalyzerUnika Thats what dog bites look like. There were puncture holes in his hoodie, and teeth gouges in his arm. That’s the way dogs bite. I was bitten two months ago. There were two puncture holes in my jeans and I was surprised to see the two gouges on my leg. A dog bites then pulls away. That’s
When I saw the gouges on John’s arm I knew exactly what they were. I use my scars to show people. They are all surprised. A tiger or a lion will hold on which will cause puncture wounds. Not a dog.
John Judge had better take some notes.
Three jurors… not one
Supposedly one juror that was speaking on the behalf of other two jurors. Hopefully the other two will come forward and confirm/deny the story.
Proctors DOODY STATUS? We know He's FULL OF DOODY!
Free Karen Read!
Would you vote to FreeJohnOkeefe if the situation were reversed?
AMEN.
@@brettcantrell8650 Yes, free KR after 25 years behind bars. Because she's a 'girl' as Jackson argued doesn't mean she has special excuse to act out in rage.
@@brettcantrell8650 She's guilty of unting down a man with her SUV to harm him. Amen to what? Reverse the genders and then what?
@@EyeColorAnalyzerUnikarevere the genders, race or human at all there is still zero evidence that car hit officer o keef
What the actual?
Not surprising when you consider all the corruption, not just Procter but the DA, the McAlberts, higgins and considering the personal relationships between the judge and everyone involved. Just my opinion based on the info out there and its sad that the judge didn't recuse herself to begin with
Karen killed John and left him to die in the blizzard
@@MaureenODonovan the 3rd party experts proved John's injuries weren't caused by an SUV and also proved Karen's car damage was not caused by John's body.
This is Mass. The corruption in Government and Law enforcement goes back for many generations. All this lying, the coverups, the circling of the wagons etc it's just in their DNA now.
@@MaureenODonovan. Whatever. You must be from Mass. 🙄
BS.
Oh snap!
Don't shoot the messenger here. Three attorneys on the Vinnie Politan show all agreed that the Defense had opportunity to, but neglected to ask for jury polling. They also noted that the judge met with the jury before they headed home and both sides could have asked for polling at that time, but didn't. They also replayed the jury memos to the judge and noted there was no verbiage indicating they were just deadlocked on one count, and the other counts were fully agreed on as not guilty. What a mess! It was like they all ran a multi-month marathon and stopped just short of the finish line. I can't even imagine how much this trial has cost Karen Read, as well as the citizens.
The defense was all hugs and kisses after the HJ.
@@EyeColorAnalyzerUnika - Exactly. That was a point the lawyers on Vinnie's show brought up. The defensed got immersed in the happiness and didn't even think beyond that. All sides should have finished the job by polling the jury. I'm thinking if the jury had been polled, and if what the defense is claiming is true (12-0 in favor of Karen Read on two counts), the state may have just said it's not worth retrying on the one count. Who knows. This is going to be interesting......
Watch other people there are other cases which show.. that judge had also obligations she did not do. this is not the end of it.
@@georgewashington3555 - I couldn't agree more. This is not the end of it. It's a real expensive mess.
Don’t think it helped Karen R. to have that perpetual look of distain on her face every single day of her Trial.
Nor does her air of superiority that she gave off during every single courtroom step Media interview!
Something is definitely off with her
And she is a turn-off
weird you think being turned on by someone is a signifier of innocence or guilt. what brain are you thinking with?
Maybe, but it DOESNT make her guilty.
Guilty of all.
The defense was all hugs and kisses inside and outside the courtroom after the mistrial was declared, but now they're unhappy. No one asked if there was a verdict on any count because the jurors' notes clearly stated they could not and will never agree.
Allegedly 9 jurors thought she was guilty? This clears the Alberts, Higgins etc. The defense's 3rd party claims went up in smoke.
She should in Prison already!!
🤬
I feel the SAME WAY …nJudge Jabba needs to pay!
Who? Karen? I agree
@holdontight1981 yes Pamela Smart 2.0
Guilt ate big from Read's brain. She is a wreck.
More fodder for the bogus framing/coverup allegation.
Jurors voted 10 - 2 Guilty, The defence is desperate for acquittal here, motion will be denied She's guilty lock her up
That split has now been proven to be a lie. You MUST be from Mass. 🙄
Caron, cause she’s guilty wtf is wrong with these bully thinking she’s innocent she’s thinks she’s a celebrity it’s down right disgusting and the poor O’Keefe family suffering where’s the justice in all this
@@VictoriaGray-yq2gd It’s not Karen’s fault the O’Keefes backed the wrong pony. SO dumb.
Anything to bury the story of KR carrying on with Jackson mid-trial.
But that was a lie.. Why are you blindly believing lies? Do your own research and stop living blindly. 😂
Whatever. Even if she was “carrying on”, she is STILL not guilty. Messing with AJ isn’t a crime.
@@lincolnhtschick Character.
@@EyeColorAnalyzerUnika I get that. But facts are facts. She coulda been the biggest hoe in town, but that still didn’t make her guilty. Not with these facts. I found the character of most of the prosecution’s wits to be lacking. All things being equal, she is still innocent.
@@EyeColorAnalyzerUnika So it was YOU who cried to RUclips about my last response. Figures. 🙄🙄🙄
'Agreement'? What agreement? They'd have to render a verdict and sign off on it. Defense is desperate to pollute the next jury pool.
Do you know what unanimous on 2 counts means?
OH YOU ARE A FAMILY MEMBER OF THE MCALBERTS?
@@popsylol No.
@@brettcantrell8650 My DNA results suggest no.
A juror contacted Jackson??? Hearsay