"Live or die" is "do or do not there is no try" the Anakin version. I love how Anakin says "back to the beginning" and it's literally Yoda's first teaching
@@SkinnyEatWorld95 It's also personal because Anakin "died" when he became "Vader" because he could not live with the possible consequences of choosing to be a Jedi and losing Padme.
@@tommymccann2640 he believes that in order to be Vader, Anakin Skywalker must die. Yeah. He never could completely kill him though, Luke brought him back out to prove he was never dead in the first place.
I think it's worth noting with the "live or die" instruction that the transformation into Vader was also considered the death of Anakin Skywalker, especially by Vader himself. To Anakin, living or dying is very much a choice of following light or dark. This is especially made clear by Ahsoka's brief flash of sith eyes just before choosing to "live" in the light side of the force and ending the fight with peace instead of violence
Maybe it's just me but Anakin still training and watching out for Ashoka makes me happy and sad at the same time. It just shows how much he cared for her. His reactions and behavior's are so different to Obi's as a master. Even when Anakin was Vader it was hard for him to contain his love for her. He had to push it down and bury it.
Ahsoka's past trauma left her unbalanced in the force. At some point she became weaker. Now, we may assume that Anakin helped her move past that pain. We might get to see Ahsoka back at her full potential. Which makes this a retread of Obi-wan. Though this journey was much better and made a lot more sense. And now, maybe, we get to see more of where it leads.
Wondering now if her future padawan will end up being Jacen Syndulla because of his role in saving her, & being naturally force sensitive. ... I realize that the storyline is leaning towards Sabine, & Ezra taking on Jacen, but hey, there's still a long ways to go. Either way, love the series & the over all direction of Stahhh Warz 🎉 Great times, indeed. 🤠
@@hamanu666 Great idea! ... But, my thought of specifically Jacen stems from Anakin explaining that all masters & apprentices are connected like a chain, and Jacen being involved with it all. ... Would fit well and bring even more meaning to that scene
@@iloveowls90 Yes he is, Jason get's adopted by Leia and Han following General Syndulla's death, who go on to rename him Ben Solo in honor of and as a mirror to Obi-Wan changing his own identity. The New Republic falls, force sensitives go into hiding and take aliases, he than changes his name once more to Kylo Ren once corrupted by Snoke, it would explain why he has no real connection to Anakin or Luke, who could have reached out to him through the force at any time, it also explains why Kylo lacks the power one would expect from a Skywalker, and his absolute obsession with letting go of the past. It also adds a layer of depth to how Kylo constantly antagonizes Rey about her family and parents being nothing and not caring about her, he's projecting. It also helps to explain what kind of seeds were planted that Palpatine/Snoke were able to exploit. Kylo isn't just a kid that got pawned off on Luke, he is a kid that watched the New Republic fall, lost his Mother and Father, abandoned by Han and Leia, and than eventually betrayed by Luke. They didn't cast that kid by mistake, same hair, same jawline, I would be willing to bet hard on this unless there is a timeline problem to rule it out. Everybody assumes Kylo is force sensitive because he's Vaders grandson, but he's actually force sensitive because he's Kanan's son. At no point in the sequel do we get any kind of confirmation that Kylo is their biological son, but we do know that if there was a force sensitive child in the galaxy without a family, and ties to the rebel alliance, that Han and Leia would be the ones to figure out what to do with him, like sending him to train with Luke. Also, don't you think that if Luke had a grandson, as the grandmaster of the new order, wouldn't he have felt it?
Well the great thing is this has rekindled some level of interest in the character...so hopefully we will get more seasons of it...and a new galaxy sounds good simply because the old one has a lot of baggage and easier to tell new stories with completely new galaxy to work with.
With Ahsoka being representative of the Light/Daughter and Anakin the Balance/Father, who will represent the Dark/Son? Shin Hati has the potential for that? But so do Sabine, Ezra, or even Grogu. As Togrutas have an average lifespan of 82 years, and those strongly attuned to the Force can live up to 200, Ahsoka will most likely play a part in the upcoming movie featuring Rey, who is expected to rebuild the Jedi Order post First Order.
No one seems to be acknowledging that Anakin taught her the same lesson Luke learned on the second death star. She said she wouldn't fight him oh, he gave her every single reason to kill him, and he chose not to anyway and let good Prevail. That's the lesson. She even threw her lightsaber away in the same manner when she had him at a disadvantage.
Anakin is right. 2:11 "The galaxy would have fallen if Revan had not gone to war. Perhaps he became the dark lord out of necessity, to prevent a greater evil." It's like poetry it rhymes
Bringing her to another galaxy helps avoid plot holes in my opinion. She can actually have a story that isn’t retroactively fit into the skywalker legacy. No worrying about where she was when the palpy returned.
I think, Ahsoka the white isn't the representation of the light side of the force. I think she is the representation of balance in the force. She is able to use the dark side and turn away from it in her dual against Anakin. She experienced it through out her childhood but never had a need to embrace it. She was tested by it and failed on the Mortis world. Now this Ahsoka has conquered not only the light side but the dark as well. She is now able to be the warrior and a Jedi at the same time. This is the lesson that Anakin is teaching her. That the darkness can be used as a weapon of war. Anakin's lesson is how to turn away from it, when you no longer need it, to bring the force into balance: equilibrium between the light and the dark. The Bindu.
Have you seen what George Lucas said about the force? There isn’t a light and dark side, there is just the force. The ‘dark side’ is just corrupting the force to your own ends (rather than following the will of the force), and using the power of more negative emotions to give you a boost / fast track to greater power. Balance in the force isn’t balancing the dark side and the light side -you can’t hold onto negative feelings and use them for power, and attempt to bend the force to your will (the dark side), as well as at the same time recognising negative emotions but let them pass through you (the Jedi way). Balance is achieved through NOT giving into the ‘dark’ side, but by being in touch with emotions so they can pass, thus eradicating the darkness within. That is what George Lucas has stated as being balanced in the force. I’m not digging you out geez, and certainly don’t want to take away from your own interpretation btw - lucas is putting forward his own personal view on handling emotions by stating what he has about how he sees the force and how to achieve balance in it, and so if you see the world that way, makes sense you might want to think of the force that way, but I’d recommend listening to Lucas vision, as his is the creator of it all (and I think you get a better understanding of the philosophy behind Star Wars by understanding that personally)
@@StrykeSZN Fucking hell mate, just saying you might want to look into it. He’s the creator (and said this in the 2000’s btw). Maybe an idea to consider what he says about the thing he created? Just trying to nudge you in an interesting direction as a fellow fan, but if you want to be a little muggy cunt about it, then you crack on geez 😘
Well just one problem Anakin allready is the one that represence ballance, having masterd both the light and the dark, so he is no longer bound to them and their dogmas but rather being able switch between them at will. Using the LotR analogy common in this commentsection Anakin allready is the Eru Iluvatar of Star Wars.
If she becomes the essence of the light side it stands to reason that there likely will be someone taking the son’s role to keep the balance - with of course Anakin embodying both.
We see the image of Anakin as the Father, Ahsoka as the Daughter, and I wonder if Ezra, time with Thrawon, taps back to his dark side and eventually becomes the Son??? We now need the Son to be manifested.
Asoka is indeed "a strong female character who isn't a Mary Sue," but that is *not* say that she's the only Disney character that fits that description.
@@MattStephenson523 Ahsoka herself is a plot armor character! Which isn’t a Mary Sue but enough for me to realize she just proves that her character is a plot convenience
@@metal_fusionI won’t disagree with you, but most story lines use conveniences and plot armor. I mean, how convenient is it that the droid carrying the Death Star plans just so happens to wind up in the custody of the son of Anakin/Vader? And how about that Force dash Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan used ONCE to escape droidekas? The Force itself is never used pragmatically nor imaginatively; it exists solely to move the plot along. But that’s not the point. The point is: is it a good story? Do you feel yourself enjoying it? Whether you do or not, either is fine, but be careful not to get so caught up in things that you start demanding that stormtroopers land every shot.
Hear me out, Ahsoka is actually taking place after season 2 of MANDO and before the book of boba fett, so we’ll see Ahsoka with Luke and Grogu at some point 😊 see why: As the saga unfolds, I question the imprisonment of Morgan Elsbeth. Could she have remained confined for over three years? To be honest, it seems implausible, especially given Baylan's ease in securing her release. This led me to reflect on Rosario Dawson's portrayal of Ahsoka in the early episodes, which mirrored her depiction in the Mando episode where she first appeared. The cold, detached demeanor, and her refusal to train Grogu, could stem from a recent parting with Sabine and a sense of failure as a Master. Interestingly, she does not mention Luke Skywalker to Mando as someone who could train Grogu, possibly due to ignorance of his existence at a time when rumors of Thrawn's return were swirling, culminating in her confrontation with Morgan Elsbeth. Contrast this with Dawson's portrayal of Ahsoka after meeting Anakin with the Ahsoka we saw in The Book of Boba Fett. The similarities are striking. She looks happy, balanced, at peace. Hence, I deduce that the Ahsoka series is set during the three years Luke trains Grogu, post-Mando season 2, but pre-The Book of Boba Fett. While Ahsoka appears grey and conflicted in Mando season 2, a later encounter with Mando reveals a more cheerful, resolved character in the book of boba fett. Taking into account their camaraderie in The Book of Boba Fett, it is evident that Luke and Ahsoka are well-acquainted. However, the final episode of Ahsoka reveals her ignorance of Palpatine's demise and Anakin's role in it, indicating she believed he succumbed entirely to the dark side. Specifically when she tells Anakin that he will become evil and far more dangerous than anyone could ever imagine. She doesn’t even know that he overcomes darkness because he was redeemed by his son. Yet, in The Book of Boba Fett, she is aware of the events. This begs the question: how did she come by this knowledge? Taking all these elements into account, I’d be surprised if Luke Skywalker does not make an appearance at some stage. This assumption is reinforced by the interactions between Luke and Ahsoka in 'The Book of Boba Fett,' where they exhibit a familiarity that suggests a shared history. This meeting would not only provide Ahsoka with the missing pieces of the puzzle concerning Anakin and Palpatine but also establish the rapport between her and Luke witnessed in 'The Book of Boba Fett.' The implications of such a meeting would be monumental. It would not only serve as a pivotal moment in the Star Wars narrative, bridging the gap between two crucial storylines. If this is going to happen, it will be absolutely epic. Indeed, several other factors bolster this theory: -Sabine’s solitude is palpable. She is under the impression that Mandalore and the majority of its inhabitants have been obliterated following the ‘Night of a Thousand Tears.’ This belief suggests that the events of ‘The Mandalorian’ season three have yet to transpire. Sabine is not only mourning the loss of Ezra but also the devastation of her homeland and the presumed annihilation of her people. -Ahsoka’s presence on the planet where Luke and Grogu are training is another significant clue. What could have led her to that specific location if not to intersect with their journey? -Lastly, the fans’ disappointment regarding the limited insight into Luke and Grogu’s journey in ‘The Mandalorian’ could be intentional. It’s possible that the creators have reserved this narrative for the ‘Ahsoka’ series, providing a more in-depth exploration of their dynamic and development. Identified loophole in my own theory 🥺: In Mando season 3, the Shadow Council is discussing the return of Grand Admiral Thrawn, suggesting that he’s about to come back. At that time, Grogu and Mando are reunited. So there must be a valid reason to explain why Ahsoka, Luke and Grogu were happily chilling in the book of boba fett after their mission to this “other galaxy”, while Thrawn was planning his return. This can happen in many ways (for example, they all think Thrawn was killed in a battle but he wasn’t, or that they blocked him in a way to prevent him from coming back, etc).
“Behold, I am not Ahsoka the Grey, whom you betrayed. I am Ahsoka the White, who has returned from death. You have no colour now, and I cast you from the order and from the Council.’ She raised her hand, and spoke slowly in a clear cold voice. ‘Ezra, your lightsaber is broken.’ There was a crack, and the lightsaber split asunder in Ezra’s hand, and the part of it fell down at Ahsoka’s feet.” - The Two Jedi Towers
Something nobody ever asks about… did she have a set of white robes and accessories in a closet on the ship somewhere just waiting for when she makes a transition to Ahsoka the white? Lol, wouldn’t that be weird? She’d have to know that she MIGHT become Ahsoka the white… which is weird. Right?
What if it wasn’t that she was “pulled in” at all? What if it was the pieces of the daughter that are in her summoned the World between worlds to her and that’s why Anakin was surprised to see her so soon?
I have a theory. What if Anakin replaces the father while Ashoka replaces tge daughter and Starkiller replaces the Son in regards to the Mortis Gods since Anakin is the balance his two disciple represents the son & duaghter. what you think?
Maybe she will become Ahsoka the white when and if she dies at the end of this series? Perhaps she'll need to sacrifice herself to save her friend and cause Sabine to "rise" to become a Jedi, and die killing Balon Skoll or his Padawan, and she will become the "Light"/"Daughter" and perhaps we will also see the "son" who represents the "dark" or "Sith"? Could Ezra become the son or perhaps someone we haven't seen yet or is being saved for a later show or movie? I have a feeling they may have already shown us the "son" though as they like to do that it seems in this saga.
With Ahsoka being Ike the daughter and Anakin keeping that balance in the force, like the father, we just need to wait for the son. Will it be Ezra? Would make an interesting story. He’s already dabbled in the dark side and maybe thrawn has given him the push he needed in this new galaxy. Would also be cool if they brought back some ancient Sith in this new galaxy.
I feel very saddened that this was technically Luke’s story to begin with in “Heir to the Empire.” I am very glad to see Ahsoka having a prominent role by helping to restart the Jedi Order as it should be in the Light, but Legends Luke had this first. Still, I do have hope that respect can be brought back to Luke’s name compared to what they did to him in the disaster trilogy.
@@JeffDeanTheDeanZone See^ She was asked before her enlightenment period with Anakin. You are correct that she declined originally from Luke, but since Anakin gave her the task of course she wouldn’t turn him down. At least she needed some push back to get through to herself of letting go of the past to help create a better future for a new and better Order.
Luke might still have to get involved. This is suppose to bring in another trilogy. So we might still get the story, it is just Ahsoka the White is leading the way and this is just the prologue
@@DagNeb_It That would be very awesome! So long as Luke is involved and it doesn’t turn into another disaster trilogy then I’ll be all for it. Ahsoka being the literal Avatar of the Light followed by the Son of The Chosen One…..wait…..Luke might embody the Son! I didn’t think of that! Luke had been surrounded by so much dark side energy from losing his hand, having to battle an old Sith kyber crystal, and facing down both Vader and Palpatine. He would be the perfect representation of the Son. He’s still able to keep himself in line compared to the Son which wasn’t able to fully keep control of his inner dark side. Oh this’ll be so amazing if this can lead to a better trilogy!
Wow that's deep I think she was just having a near death experience seeing her life flashing before her eyes and her subconscious voice became Anakin to get her to fight to live because she was drowning or stop and die that's it no bigger meaning and I think that Jacen could feel her thoughts through the force like Vader figured out Luke had a sister I could be wrong it's just my opinion and I don't know a lot about the clone wars or rebels either and maybe that's why I think it's more simple than the way others think it means
The slaves into another discussion about Luke. If Luke is rebuilding the Jedi Order in the old way. There must be some kind of interaction between Ahsoka the white and Luke about how to move forward. I'm curious to see how they'll handle look during this period in time
"in a galaxy far, far away". Earth has been confirmed as being part of the Star Wars galaxy, just moved away to outside space. One would think...what if the galaxy Ahsoka is going to, is the one telling the story of Star Wars, and her the person telling the story
Jedi needed to be soldiers in Clone Wars. That's what the galaxy needed. And mostly they did good job. Anakin taught her perfectly here. She's so much that instrument of death and destruction. So much more. I love what she has become-true guardian of the light side,peace,justice. True guardian and protector. Ahsoka the White. May the Force be with you too😊
Calling her “ahsoka the white” is just pure lazy. This is not her confirmed title, and she needs something more original, rather than copying and pasting from lord of the rings, which Disney does not own, and could land them in trouble. Also, I see the majority of Star Wars fans complain about Kathleen Kennedy. Well, it is not entirely her that make the decisions. You have to remember that you have board members and share holders. This is the fatal flaw of modern Star Wars fans: They often jump to conclusions, and think their word and knowledge is the ultimate authority, which has lead to so much toxicity. You people can never make up your minds!! First, the prequels got so much hate, then worshipped them after the first order trilogy. Why? All that hate almost caused the Jar Jar actor to commit suicide by jumping off of a bridge in New York City. I am a big fan of ahsoka for personal reasons/experiences that are mirrored to hers, but this whole “ahsoka the white” title you all are giving her is f****** stupid. It truly is. But, hey, this is just the opinion of someone that is not apart of the band wagon just because they think it is cool, and has common sense. Thank you for attending my Ted talk
Missed when you waited untill the weekend for the heavy discussion and spoiler thumbnails. I didnt even get to watch the past 2 weeks by the time RUclips keeps putting your video in my feed. Would have liked to see some of this fresh without knowing whats to come. Keep up great videos and good work though!
The answer that you are looking for is in Star Wars Rebel eps. i forgot which one. She was carrying the burden of her master because she loved him as a brother and her friend. and she believes that if she had stayed with him she could have saved him. but no Anikan needed to become Darth Vader to know the dark side to be able to balance it. HE IS NOW THE BALANCE KEEPER OF THE FORCE. and Ohsoka is his one and only student. that is why he said I have given you everything in me you are MY LEGACY AND MORE. " Then she said you will become more powerful and dangerous than you know. then he said TO HER, SO THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT, THEM YOU WILL DIE. strike me down and become the dark side of my legacy, or live and represent the light side of my legacy. Remember what Baylan said to her. your legacy and your master's legacy are one of death and destruction. that was when Dave focused on her eyes When she had the lightsaber at his throw she finally saw what this phase of the lesson was about. honor me. and live to change that perception of me, and you, as my one and only padwa. and she said I want to live. then he switched back to Anikan and said there is hope for you yet. just like he said to her when accepted her as his padwa in Clone Wars. That is why at the end she said it's better than going nowhere. because she was not going anywhere before living in self-pity and guilt. now she is smiling again, and her looks is white like the daughter.
@@Pidalin Baylan is a dark sider simple as, just because he's not Sith doesn't make him balanced and yes well spotted Anakin is dead, we know, hence why he's in the world between worlds the place you go when you become one with the force. Any other pearls of wisdom?
Ahsoka after Malachor always seemed to me to be resigned, tired, and melancholy. She appeared to have given up on the Jedi, on Anakin, and most importantly on herself. She couldn't make the decisions, couldn't proactively choose a what legacy the Jedi would live now. Fear of the future kept her from making decisions. When she came out after finishing Anakin's lesson, the fear and pain is still there, but now she is resolutely and decisively facing them. She now chooses a path, even though she doesn't know where it leads, because she understands that to walk forward on an unknown path is better than not walking forward at all.
Well there has to be balance in it so if Ashoka does become the light anakin is both light and dark as he was Jedi and sith that was meant to happen and if she joins their will be more light so unless the son is still alive or someone else take his place idk
Interesting. If Ahsoka is meant to take the place of the Daughter, then who will take the place of the Son? Not Anakin, since he needs to be the one in the middle, taking the place of the Father. A lot of people are going to say Ezra, but Ezra's already walked the path of shadows and has rejected it. I don't see him regressing back into that. But I am sticking to my theory that Maul is not completely dead. Sure, bodily he's as dead as Anakin, but I think that his spirit's going to be attached to Ezra, thanks to the Holocron merger and the Nightsister MindMeld brew they shared -- who knows what kind of lasting side effects that would have? So I think it's entirely possible that Maul's spirit is attached to Ezra instead of moving on. So would Maul make a good replacement for the Son? What does it mean to be the Son? Does it mean you have to be evil? Or does it mean something more than that?
Ok so was she dead or alive in rise of skywalker. If she is still alive I’d like her to start her own order. Whether or not she is in the original galaxy I don’t really care. Because if we are being serious she could just return the same way she got there depending upon if they are an intergalactic species.
So... if Anakin is the new "Father", and Ahsoka to become the new "Daughter", then who will take up the mantle/moniker of becoming the new "Son?" Also, don't forget about the Legends character of the "Mother", who would, in turn, come to be known as Abeloth.
so many starwars cc's... FINALLY someone who fking gets it.. I'm not even close to the level of starwar nerd a lot of these cc's are.. but sheeesh episode 5 for some damn reason went straight over their heads...
@@Jaykurosakiino no... he's got a point... Disney did screw over Luke skywalker and the rest of the star wars saga, but filoni is actively trying to save them by making this series and all his others. Chefs kiss mister filoni. Chefs kiss
If she is the new embodiment of the daughter and the light side of the force. Then who is the new embodiment of the son and the dark side of the force. There must always be balance. The dark side can not be destroyed, only contained. So who is it's new vessel?
Who will be the representative of the dark side of the force? I think Anakin is the Mortis God of Balance, as he knows both the light and the dark intimately, and Ahsoka will be the the light side.
The Daughter is only one side of the coin. I can see Ashoka being that. Now who is going to be the Son? We're missing that side of the coin. I hope this gets explored later.
"Live or die" is "do or do not there is no try" the Anakin version.
I love how Anakin says "back to the beginning" and it's literally Yoda's first teaching
I was thinking the exact same thing!!!
@@SkinnyEatWorld95 It's also personal because Anakin "died" when he became "Vader" because he could not live with the possible consequences of choosing to be a Jedi and losing Padme.
IT’S. LIKE. POETRY. IT. RHYMES.
So good
@@tommymccann2640 he believes that in order to be Vader, Anakin Skywalker must die. Yeah. He never could completely kill him though, Luke brought him back out to prove he was never dead in the first place.
I love how it’s the “Anakin version“.
I hope Ahsoka the White still gets the wizard staff.
It'd be dope if it was beskar
Wow, when did this turn into lord of the Rings? That has its own lore.
Dave Filoni has been known to draw ideas from Lord of The Rings.@@Infamous1892
@@MattStephenson523 people watched rebel? I keep forgetting it existed.
@shank893 this whole series is based off rebels.
She should have a staff that completely glows like a light Saber with no grip like zues with a bolt of lightning
I think it's worth noting with the "live or die" instruction that the transformation into Vader was also considered the death of Anakin Skywalker, especially by Vader himself. To Anakin, living or dying is very much a choice of following light or dark. This is especially made clear by Ahsoka's brief flash of sith eyes just before choosing to "live" in the light side of the force and ending the fight with peace instead of violence
‘Ahsoka the grey, that was my name… I am Ahsoka the white’
And I come back to you now, at the turn of the tide
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It's doing my head in that's becoming her moniker, she's Ahsoka the end.
Yes she's changed but so what?
*whistles magically for Shadowhorns, the king of all Taun Tauns*
And she smote her enemy's ruin upon the mountainside.
Maybe it's just me but Anakin still training and watching out for Ashoka makes me happy and sad at the same time. It just shows how much he cared for her. His reactions and behavior's are so different to Obi's as a master. Even when Anakin was Vader it was hard for him to contain his love for her. He had to push it down and bury it.
"I would never let anyone hurt you, Ahsoka... never" - Anakin. 😭
@@braddahbrad You have to trust me now!
Ahsoka the White is the literal last true Jedi from the order. That’s actually monumental
Ahsoka's past trauma left her unbalanced in the force. At some point she became weaker.
Now, we may assume that Anakin helped her move past that pain. We might get to see Ahsoka back at her full potential.
Which makes this a retread of Obi-wan. Though this journey was much better and made a lot more sense. And now, maybe, we get to see more of where it leads.
It also impacted her ability to train Sabine.
She needed to choose to be a Jedi and realize her full potential. She was in the place between....now she's not. I can hardly wait to see it!
I love this show. I think it’s my favourite Star Wars story of all time. I like where the store is taking off and going
When you realized that Marrok was a common Nazgul so the Sauron's most deadliest servant may still be on the way -to canon- as well
Wondering now if her future padawan will end up being Jacen Syndulla because of his role in saving her, & being naturally force sensitive. ... I realize that the storyline is leaning towards Sabine, & Ezra taking on Jacen, but hey, there's still a long ways to go.
Either way, love the series & the over all direction of Stahhh Warz 🎉
Great times, indeed.
🤠
Why not all three?
Jason Syndulla is Kylo Ren
@@hamanu666 Great idea! ... But, my thought of specifically Jacen stems from Anakin explaining that all masters & apprentices are connected like a chain, and Jacen being involved with it all. ... Would fit well and bring even more meaning to that scene
@@FrameandGameno he’s not, Kylo ren was Ben solo
@@iloveowls90 Yes he is, Jason get's adopted by Leia and Han following General Syndulla's death, who go on to rename him Ben Solo in honor of and as a mirror to Obi-Wan changing his own identity. The New Republic falls, force sensitives go into hiding and take aliases, he than changes his name once more to Kylo Ren once corrupted by Snoke, it would explain why he has no real connection to Anakin or Luke, who could have reached out to him through the force at any time, it also explains why Kylo lacks the power one would expect from a Skywalker, and his absolute obsession with letting go of the past. It also adds a layer of depth to how Kylo constantly antagonizes Rey about her family and parents being nothing and not caring about her, he's projecting. It also helps to explain what kind of seeds were planted that Palpatine/Snoke were able to exploit. Kylo isn't just a kid that got pawned off on Luke, he is a kid that watched the New Republic fall, lost his Mother and Father, abandoned by Han and Leia, and than eventually betrayed by Luke. They didn't cast that kid by mistake, same hair, same jawline, I would be willing to bet hard on this unless there is a timeline problem to rule it out. Everybody assumes Kylo is force sensitive because he's Vaders grandson, but he's actually force sensitive because he's Kanan's son. At no point in the sequel do we get any kind of confirmation that Kylo is their biological son, but we do know that if there was a force sensitive child in the galaxy without a family, and ties to the rebel alliance, that Han and Leia would be the ones to figure out what to do with him, like sending him to train with Luke. Also, don't you think that if Luke had a grandson, as the grandmaster of the new order, wouldn't he have felt it?
Well the great thing is this has rekindled some level of interest in the character...so hopefully we will get more seasons of it...and a new galaxy sounds good simply because the old one has a lot of baggage and easier to tell new stories with completely new galaxy to work with.
With Ahsoka being representative of the Light/Daughter and Anakin the Balance/Father, who will represent the Dark/Son? Shin Hati has the potential for that? But so do Sabine, Ezra, or even Grogu.
As Togrutas have an average lifespan of 82 years, and those strongly attuned to the Force can live up to 200, Ahsoka will most likely play a part in the upcoming movie featuring Rey, who is expected to rebuild the Jedi Order post First Order.
No one seems to be acknowledging that Anakin taught her the same lesson Luke learned on the second death star. She said she wouldn't fight him oh, he gave her every single reason to kill him, and he chose not to anyway and let good Prevail. That's the lesson. She even threw her lightsaber away in the same manner when she had him at a disadvantage.
Man , it was so good to see Hayden as Anikan in the Clone Wars
this episode gave me consistent chills the whole 40+ minutes it was on. Thank you for the vid too !!
Anakin is right. 2:11
"The galaxy would have fallen if Revan had not gone to war. Perhaps he became the dark lord out of necessity, to prevent a greater evil." It's like poetry it rhymes
How does that rhyme? 🤨
Bringing her to another galaxy helps avoid plot holes in my opinion. She can actually have a story that isn’t retroactively fit into the skywalker legacy. No worrying about where she was when the palpy returned.
Emperor Palpatine... show some damn respect, fool.
I think, Ahsoka the white isn't the representation of the light side of the force. I think she is the representation of balance in the force. She is able to use the dark side and turn away from it in her dual against Anakin. She experienced it through out her childhood but never had a need to embrace it. She was tested by it and failed on the Mortis world.
Now this Ahsoka has conquered not only the light side but the dark as well.
She is now able to be the warrior and a Jedi at the same time.
This is the lesson that Anakin is teaching her. That the darkness can be used as a weapon of war. Anakin's lesson is how to turn away from it, when you no longer need it, to bring the force into balance: equilibrium between the light and the dark. The Bindu.
Have you seen what George Lucas said about the force? There isn’t a light and dark side, there is just the force.
The ‘dark side’ is just corrupting the force to your own ends (rather than following the will of the force), and using the power of more negative emotions to give you a boost / fast track to greater power.
Balance in the force isn’t balancing the dark side and the light side -you can’t hold onto negative feelings and use them for power, and attempt to bend the force to your will (the dark side), as well as at the same time recognising negative emotions but let them pass through you (the Jedi way).
Balance is achieved through NOT giving into the ‘dark’ side, but by being in touch with emotions so they can pass, thus eradicating the darkness within. That is what George Lucas has stated as being balanced in the force.
I’m not digging you out geez, and certainly don’t want to take away from your own interpretation btw - lucas is putting forward his own personal view on handling emotions by stating what he has about how he sees the force and how to achieve balance in it, and so if you see the world that way, makes sense you might want to think of the force that way, but I’d recommend listening to Lucas vision, as his is the creator of it all (and I think you get a better understanding of the philosophy behind Star Wars by understanding that personally)
@@westington1George Lucas doesn’t own Star Wars anymore. His talks from 1984 or whatever don’t apply to the new canon lolol. Nice paragraph tho
@@StrykeSZNwhatever george lucas said is still relevant as long as dave filoni is the one making the story.
@@StrykeSZN Fucking hell mate, just saying you might want to look into it.
He’s the creator (and said this in the 2000’s btw).
Maybe an idea to consider what he says about the thing he created?
Just trying to nudge you in an interesting direction as a fellow fan, but if you want to be a little muggy cunt about it, then you crack on geez 😘
Well just one problem Anakin allready is the one that represence ballance, having masterd both the light and the dark, so he is no longer bound to them and their dogmas but rather being able switch between them at will. Using the LotR analogy common in this commentsection Anakin allready is the Eru Iluvatar of Star Wars.
Best Star wars channel around, May The force be with you!
It would have been pretty cool if a few words were spoken between Anakin & Ashoka about Luke & Leia!!
If she becomes the essence of the light side it stands to reason that there likely will be someone taking the son’s role to keep the balance - with of course Anakin embodying both.
We see the image of Anakin as the Father, Ahsoka as the Daughter, and I wonder if Ezra, time with Thrawon, taps back to his dark side and eventually becomes the Son??? We now need the Son to be manifested.
Ahsoka is all three combined in my opinion. She is the dark the light and the balance all in one
Ahsoka... Ahsoka the Gray, yes that was my name. I am Ahsoka the White and I came back at the turn of the tide.
Take note Disney: THIS is how you develop a strong female character that isn't a Mary Sue. Please fire Kennedy.
Asoka is indeed "a strong female character who isn't a Mary Sue," but that is *not* say that she's the only Disney character that fits that description.
@@carolynmcmaster7280she’s not even a Disney character
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Ahsoka herself is a plot armor character! Which isn’t a Mary Sue but enough for me to realize she just proves that her character is a plot convenience
@@metal_fusion every main character in Star Wars has plot armor.
@@metal_fusionI won’t disagree with you, but most story lines use conveniences and plot armor. I mean, how convenient is it that the droid carrying the Death Star plans just so happens to wind up in the custody of the son of Anakin/Vader? And how about that Force dash Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan used ONCE to escape droidekas? The Force itself is never used pragmatically nor imaginatively; it exists solely to move the plot along.
But that’s not the point. The point is: is it a good story? Do you feel yourself enjoying it? Whether you do or not, either is fine, but be careful not to get so caught up in things that you start demanding that stormtroopers land every shot.
I agree with you about the Jedi and Ahsoka.
Hear me out, Ahsoka is actually taking place after season 2 of MANDO and before the book of boba fett, so we’ll see Ahsoka with Luke and Grogu at some point 😊 see why:
As the saga unfolds, I question the imprisonment of Morgan Elsbeth. Could she have remained confined for over three years? To be honest, it seems implausible, especially given Baylan's ease in securing her release.
This led me to reflect on Rosario Dawson's portrayal of Ahsoka in the early episodes, which mirrored her depiction in the Mando episode where she first appeared.
The cold, detached demeanor, and her refusal to train Grogu, could stem from a recent parting with Sabine and a sense of failure as a Master.
Interestingly, she does not mention Luke Skywalker to Mando as someone who could train Grogu, possibly due to ignorance of his existence at a time when rumors of Thrawn's return were swirling, culminating in her confrontation with Morgan Elsbeth.
Contrast this with Dawson's portrayal of Ahsoka after meeting Anakin with the Ahsoka we saw in The Book of Boba Fett. The similarities are striking. She looks happy, balanced, at peace.
Hence, I deduce that the Ahsoka series is set during the three years Luke trains Grogu, post-Mando season 2, but pre-The Book of Boba Fett. While Ahsoka appears grey and conflicted in Mando season 2, a later encounter with Mando reveals a more cheerful, resolved character in the book of boba fett.
Taking into account their camaraderie in The Book of Boba Fett, it is evident that Luke and Ahsoka are well-acquainted. However, the final episode of Ahsoka reveals her ignorance of Palpatine's demise and Anakin's role in it, indicating she believed he succumbed entirely to the dark side. Specifically when she tells Anakin that he will become evil and far more dangerous than anyone could ever imagine. She doesn’t even know that he overcomes darkness because he was redeemed by his son.
Yet, in The Book of Boba Fett, she is aware of the events. This begs the question: how did she come by this knowledge?
Taking all these elements into account, I’d be surprised if Luke Skywalker does not make an appearance at some stage. This assumption is reinforced by the interactions between Luke and Ahsoka in 'The Book of Boba Fett,' where they exhibit a familiarity that suggests a shared history.
This meeting would not only provide Ahsoka with the missing pieces of the puzzle concerning Anakin and Palpatine but also establish the rapport between her and Luke witnessed in 'The Book of Boba Fett.'
The implications of such a meeting would be monumental. It would not only serve as a pivotal moment in the Star Wars narrative, bridging the gap between two crucial storylines.
If this is going to happen, it will be absolutely epic.
Indeed, several other factors bolster this theory:
-Sabine’s solitude is palpable. She is under the impression that Mandalore and the majority of its inhabitants have been obliterated following the ‘Night of a Thousand Tears.’ This belief suggests that the events of ‘The Mandalorian’ season three have yet to transpire. Sabine is not only mourning the loss of Ezra but also the devastation of her homeland and the presumed annihilation of her people.
-Ahsoka’s presence on the planet where Luke and Grogu are training is another significant clue. What could have led her to that specific location if not to intersect with their journey?
-Lastly, the fans’ disappointment regarding the limited insight into Luke and Grogu’s journey in ‘The Mandalorian’ could be intentional. It’s possible that the creators have reserved this narrative for the ‘Ahsoka’ series, providing a more in-depth exploration of their dynamic and development.
Identified loophole in my own theory 🥺:
In Mando season 3, the Shadow Council is discussing the return of Grand Admiral Thrawn, suggesting that he’s about to come back. At that time, Grogu and Mando are reunited. So there must be a valid reason to explain why Ahsoka, Luke and Grogu were happily chilling in the book of boba fett after their mission to this “other galaxy”, while Thrawn was planning his return. This can happen in many ways (for example, they all think Thrawn was killed in a battle but he wasn’t, or that they blocked him in a way to prevent him from coming back, etc).
“Behold, I am not Ahsoka the Grey, whom you betrayed. I am Ahsoka the White, who has returned from death. You have no colour now, and I cast you from the order and from the Council.’ She raised her hand, and spoke slowly in a clear cold voice. ‘Ezra, your lightsaber is broken.’ There was a crack, and the lightsaber split asunder in Ezra’s hand, and the part of it fell down at Ahsoka’s feet.” - The Two Jedi Towers
Great holocron Master. One of the best and most insightful yet.
I wonder if Ahsoka becomes the Daughter will Ezra wind up becoming the Son??? Can’t wait to find out!! Thanks for the content!!
I hope in a few seasons we learn that the son will end up being Ben Solo, with the father being Anakin and the daughter being Ahsoka
Hey man thanks for this thumbnail while I was watching tutorials, loved the spoilers…. Thanks man!
Great video and analysis. Keep doing what you're doing 😊
At least she can say she was in different galaxy when the Westfold fell.
Anakin bringing her there and the frame of them as the Gods blows my mind😳
Something nobody ever asks about… did she have a set of white robes and accessories in a closet on the ship somewhere just waiting for when she makes a transition to Ahsoka the white? Lol, wouldn’t that be weird? She’d have to know that she MIGHT become Ahsoka the white… which is weird. Right?
Yea you’re right, bit daft when you think about it. Maybe they should of had the next episode where she finds a white robe..meh, it is what it is
Galen Marek as the son, ahsoka as the daughter, anakin as the father - Poetry
Amazing Ashoka being a grey Jedi to white Jedi looks good.
Great video and topic. I so enjoyed Ahsoka the White at the end of this episode.
The son is Ben Solo
I prefer option 3.
Reviving the Jedi feels like regression for her. I like her being the new iteration as the new daughter.
Another great video.
What if it wasn’t that she was “pulled in” at all? What if it was the pieces of the daughter that are in her summoned the World between worlds to her and that’s why Anakin was surprised to see her so soon?
Here we go, we finally get a good episode from Disney now we have to turn the character into the second coming.
I have a theory. What if Anakin replaces the father while Ashoka replaces tge daughter and Starkiller replaces the Son in regards to the Mortis Gods since Anakin is the balance his two disciple represents the son & duaghter. what you think?
Totally agree with option 3 n all the other thoughts too
This entire ark is ahsoka becoming a bindu.
If Ahsoka becomes the the light side ambassador and anakin the balance of both, who will be the ambassador of the dark side?
Maybe she will become Ahsoka the white when and if she dies at the end of this series? Perhaps she'll need to sacrifice herself to save her friend and cause Sabine to "rise" to become a Jedi, and die killing Balon Skoll or his Padawan, and she will become the "Light"/"Daughter" and perhaps we will also see the "son" who represents the "dark" or "Sith"? Could Ezra become the son or perhaps someone we haven't seen yet or is being saved for a later show or movie? I have a feeling they may have already shown us the "son" though as they like to do that it seems in this saga.
With Ahsoka being Ike the daughter and Anakin keeping that balance in the force, like the father, we just need to wait for the son. Will it be Ezra? Would make an interesting story. He’s already dabbled in the dark side and maybe thrawn has given him the push he needed in this new galaxy. Would also be cool if they brought back some ancient Sith in this new galaxy.
I just hope this isn't the last time we see Anakin.
May the Force be with you, also.
I've been really excited to see sage mode Ahsoka
I feel very saddened that this was technically Luke’s story to begin with in “Heir to the Empire.” I am very glad to see Ahsoka having a prominent role by helping to restart the Jedi Order as it should be in the Light, but Legends Luke had this first. Still, I do have hope that respect can be brought back to Luke’s name compared to what they did to him in the disaster trilogy.
Ahsoka isn't helping to restart the Jedi Order. Luke asked her to do that in the Book of Boba Fett and she declined! What are you going on about?
Yeah that was before she had her encounter with anakin, after her enlightenment we shall see what she does
@@JeffDeanTheDeanZone See^ She was asked before her enlightenment period with Anakin. You are correct that she declined originally from Luke, but since Anakin gave her the task of course she wouldn’t turn him down. At least she needed some push back to get through to herself of letting go of the past to help create a better future for a new and better Order.
Luke might still have to get involved. This is suppose to bring in another trilogy. So we might still get the story, it is just Ahsoka the White is leading the way and this is just the prologue
@@DagNeb_It That would be very awesome! So long as Luke is involved and it doesn’t turn into another disaster trilogy then I’ll be all for it. Ahsoka being the literal Avatar of the Light followed by the Son of The Chosen One…..wait…..Luke might embody the Son! I didn’t think of that! Luke had been surrounded by so much dark side energy from losing his hand, having to battle an old Sith kyber crystal, and facing down both Vader and Palpatine. He would be the perfect representation of the Son. He’s still able to keep himself in line compared to the Son which wasn’t able to fully keep control of his inner dark side. Oh this’ll be so amazing if this can lead to a better trilogy!
sick of Hollywood white-washing every character and story in cinema 💯💯
Wow that's deep I think she was just having a near death experience seeing her life flashing before her eyes and her subconscious voice became Anakin to get her to fight to live because she was drowning or stop and die that's it no bigger meaning and I think that Jacen could feel her thoughts through the force like Vader figured out Luke had a sister I could be wrong it's just my opinion and I don't know a lot about the clone wars or rebels either and maybe that's why I think it's more simple than the way others think it means
Outstanding again, as always!
The slaves into another discussion about Luke. If Luke is rebuilding the Jedi Order in the old way. There must be some kind of interaction between Ahsoka the white and Luke about how to move forward. I'm curious to see how they'll handle look during this period in time
"in a galaxy far, far away". Earth has been confirmed as being part of the Star Wars galaxy, just moved away to outside space. One would think...what if the galaxy Ahsoka is going to, is the one telling the story of Star Wars, and her the person telling the story
Jedi needed to be soldiers in Clone Wars. That's what the galaxy needed. And mostly they did good job. Anakin taught her perfectly here. She's so much that instrument of death and destruction. So much more. I love what she has become-true guardian of the light side,peace,justice. True guardian and protector. Ahsoka the White. May the Force be with you too😊
Calling her “ahsoka the white” is just pure lazy. This is not her confirmed title, and she needs something more original, rather than copying and pasting from lord of the rings, which Disney does not own, and could land them in trouble. Also, I see the majority of Star Wars fans complain about Kathleen Kennedy. Well, it is not entirely her that make the decisions. You have to remember that you have board members and share holders.
This is the fatal flaw of modern Star Wars fans:
They often jump to conclusions, and think their word and knowledge is the ultimate authority, which has lead to so much toxicity. You people can never make up your minds!!
First, the prequels got so much hate, then worshipped them after the first order trilogy. Why? All that hate almost caused the Jar Jar actor to commit suicide by jumping off of a bridge in New York City.
I am a big fan of ahsoka for personal reasons/experiences that are mirrored to hers, but this whole “ahsoka the white” title you all are giving her is f****** stupid. It truly is.
But, hey, this is just the opinion of someone that is not apart of the band wagon just because they think it is cool, and has common sense. Thank you for attending my Ted talk
Ashoka becoming one of the Mortis "New Ones" would be awesome to see. But that's probably unlikely.
Missed when you waited untill the weekend for the heavy discussion and spoiler thumbnails. I didnt even get to watch the past 2 weeks by the time RUclips keeps putting your video in my feed. Would have liked to see some of this fresh without knowing whats to come. Keep up great videos and good work though!
Ahsoka the white ,"Anakin! Your lightsabre is broken"
The answer that you are looking for is in Star Wars Rebel eps. i forgot which one. She was carrying the burden of her master because she loved him as a brother and her friend. and she believes that if she had stayed with him she could have saved him. but no Anikan needed to become Darth Vader to know the dark side to be able to balance it. HE IS NOW THE BALANCE KEEPER OF THE FORCE. and Ohsoka is his one and only student. that is why he said I have given you everything in me you are MY LEGACY AND MORE. " Then she said you will become more powerful and dangerous than you know. then he said TO HER, SO THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT, THEM YOU WILL DIE. strike me down and become the dark side of my legacy, or live and represent the light side of my legacy. Remember what Baylan said to her. your legacy and your master's legacy are one of death and destruction. that was when Dave focused on her eyes When she had the lightsaber at his throw she finally saw what this phase of the lesson was about. honor me. and live to change that perception of me, and you, as my one and only padwa. and she said I want to live. then he switched back to Anikan and said there is hope for you yet. just like he said to her when accepted her as his padwa in Clone Wars. That is why at the end she said it's better than going nowhere. because she was not going anywhere before living in self-pity and guilt. now she is smiling again, and her looks is white like the daughter.
I will add a comment, but first a question. If Ashoka is The Daughter and Anakin The Father, who is The Son? Baylan?
Who keeps letting Filoni cook
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intresting note tho...where has mori been becuase we saw the owl in that one ep of mando s2 yet it hasnt appered anywhere
What if in the new universe time moves slower than in the prime universe and their return doesn’t happen until after episode 9
Anakin has truly brought balance to the force. He is the representation of balance.
Call it what you like but that's my main takeaway.
he did through luke originally.
he is not balanced, he is sometimes good and sometimes evil, not both in the same time balanced
@@Pidalin I disagree, he was using those extremes to teach Ahsoka to choose. What he is now is balance imo.
@@craigchristian344 what he is now is he is dead 🙂 Baylan looks like he has balance in the force, he is using dark side, but he is not evil like sith
@@Pidalin Baylan is a dark sider simple as, just because he's not Sith doesn't make him balanced and yes well spotted Anakin is dead, we know, hence why he's in the world between worlds the place you go when you become one with the force.
Any other pearls of wisdom?
Ahsoka after Malachor always seemed to me to be resigned, tired, and melancholy. She appeared to have given up on the Jedi, on Anakin, and most importantly on herself. She couldn't make the decisions, couldn't proactively choose a what legacy the Jedi would live now. Fear of the future kept her from making decisions.
When she came out after finishing Anakin's lesson, the fear and pain is still there, but now she is resolutely and decisively facing them. She now chooses a path, even though she doesn't know where it leads, because she understands that to walk forward on an unknown path is better than not walking forward at all.
Ah, that would be nice if ahsoka becomes the new daughter of the force 😊
Well there has to be balance in it so if Ashoka does become the light anakin is both light and dark as he was Jedi and sith that was meant to happen and if she joins their will be more light so unless the son is still alive or someone else take his place idk
Is Ezra’s potential EQUAL to that of Sidious?
Interesting. If Ahsoka is meant to take the place of the Daughter, then who will take the place of the Son? Not Anakin, since he needs to be the one in the middle, taking the place of the Father.
A lot of people are going to say Ezra, but Ezra's already walked the path of shadows and has rejected it. I don't see him regressing back into that. But I am sticking to my theory that Maul is not completely dead. Sure, bodily he's as dead as Anakin, but I think that his spirit's going to be attached to Ezra, thanks to the Holocron merger and the Nightsister MindMeld brew they shared -- who knows what kind of lasting side effects that would have? So I think it's entirely possible that Maul's spirit is attached to Ezra instead of moving on.
So would Maul make a good replacement for the Son? What does it mean to be the Son? Does it mean you have to be evil? Or does it mean something more than that?
Anakin told her that she has to live. Even when Ashoka dies, like him. She will have to choose to live on as a Force deity. The Lightside balance.
One of the most amusing attempts to gather new subscribers I've seen on any channel 😂
Ok so was she dead or alive in rise of skywalker. If she is still alive I’d like her to start her own order. Whether or not she is in the original galaxy I don’t really care. Because if we are being serious she could just return the same way she got there depending upon if they are an intergalactic species.
So... if Anakin is the new "Father", and Ahsoka to become the new "Daughter", then who will take up the mantle/moniker of becoming the new "Son?" Also, don't forget about the Legends character of the "Mother", who would, in turn, come to be known as Abeloth.
so many starwars cc's... FINALLY someone who fking gets it.. I'm not even close to the level of starwar nerd a lot of these cc's are.. but sheeesh episode 5 for some damn reason went straight over their heads...
yeah,, except sequels...
And Mandalorians wear Beskar. How the heck in that flashback scene is her lightsaber piercing through them so easily???????
Who will become the new son? I feel like it needs to be connected to Anakin as he is the Father. Maybe his hidden apprentice when he was Vader?
I can see that. She dealt with the chosen one who was both extremes. She came out pure white.
Ahsoka the White is legit what we thought GrandMaster Luke was gonna be in the sequels. Turns out, we were horribly bamboozled
@@metal_fusion you have no clue what you are talking about
@@Jaykurosakiino no... he's got a point... Disney did screw over Luke skywalker and the rest of the star wars saga, but filoni is actively trying to save them by making this series and all his others. Chefs kiss mister filoni. Chefs kiss
I wonder if Lux Bontari is still alive?
I certainly hope she's not so polar in the force. That's tiny. I hope she ends up being more like Bendu.
If she is the new embodiment of the daughter and the light side of the force. Then who is the new embodiment of the son and the dark side of the force. There must always be balance. The dark side can not be destroyed, only contained. So who is it's new vessel?
Shes a force user who balanced her shit and shes pure Light side now. I feel bad for the enemies
It was very sad 😞 😮 when Ashoka left the
rebel.
Brings to mind the question: who then is the Son? Is he still the one we have seen before? Is his replacement inevitable?
Who will be the representative of the dark side of the force? I think Anakin is the Mortis God of Balance, as he knows both the light and the dark intimately, and Ahsoka will be the the light side.
The Daughter is only one side of the coin. I can see Ashoka being that.
Now who is going to be the Son? We're missing that side of the coin.
I hope this gets explored later.
I think yall color blind. She clearly orange.
Imagine if she had the daughters powers
I mean, it is alternate Star Wars, so why not.
very interesting video so far
Edit: good, very good.
Means she can now cross her arms even better now!
But why did they have to copy LOTR and Gandalf?