Battle of Noryang - The Imjin War is Over
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- The Battle of Noryang was the last battle of the Imjin War. It's also the last time Yi Sun Sin would sail on Korean waters. Shimazu Yoshihiro would try and save Konishi Yukinaga, who was trapped at Suncheon. This would lead him to a trap at the Noryang Strait.
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Let’s talk numbers!
So, contrary to popular belief the Japanese did not out number the allied navy. In fact just the opposite! (Big shoutout to GreatMingMillitary for helping me with these numbers as details of the battle in general)
The Ming had 288 ships
The Joseon had 33+ ships
The Nippon/Japanese had 100+ ships
The battle itself is really had to pin down as far as when everything happened, but for sure Shimazu Yoshihiro’s fleet took massive losses. Tachibana also took heavy losses but nowhere near as bad as Yoshihiro.
I couldn’t find anything reliable on Ming losses, I imagine they did experience a good bit of loss but nothing extreme. Basically they still had a good fighting force afterwards.
The Joseon is anouther story. It does seem like they in fact faced significant loss. Especially with the death of Yi Sun Sin..and the loss of so many officers.
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Loved the energy you had in this episode! Very intense and fitting of the final battle. What a fantastic episode, such a high note to end the series. I'm looking forward to you future projects!
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The allied navy lost 500 soldiers at this war
Where did you get those numbers? My understanding is that the Japanese had 500 ships, the Koreans 83 and the Chinese about 63. The number of personnel wasn't very different though with the Japanese at 20k and the Joseon-Ming alliance about about 16k. Most of the Japanese ships were probably sekibune.
It's ridiculous that Admiral Yi had the war won, and died in the final battle. Like something out of some film drama. Amazing.
When Ad Yi said " To Live is dying but, To Die is this To Live 4ver.
That's why fear can also dicriminate.
It should be noted that the Shimazu have a long history of dealing with defeats by fighting their way out to escape (they did it at Sekigahara too, and did it many times before). So it’s not really surprising that the Shimazu forces would try the same thing here, ultimately claiming Yi’s life even in defeat.
Horatio Nelson also died during his last victory
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Gotta say, I’ve been binge watching your Imjin War series for weeks now and learned a lot of stories and details I haven’t seen in other documentaries of the war. Just finished all the 69 videos.
Truth be told the reason I’m interested in this war is because Hideyoshi and most of the Japanese daimyos are playable/main characters in the Samurai Warriors series, and the Imjin War is completely ignored in those games. So it’s interesting to learn more about this obscure history of the Toyotomi.
I’m glad you enjoyed it! I hope to redo the entire series someday, I’ve gotten much better at presentation and editing since then!
Can't blame the Joseon at all for wanting revenge after being invaded twice and all the losses they must have endured, but this certainly was a high price to pay, chief among them the loss of Yi Sun Sin himself. Had they let the Japanese retreat they would have avoided many losses. In their defense, we have the knowledge that the Japanese didn't come back, well until centuries later at least, but at the time it may have been not only a desire to punish the invader that moved the attack, but also the chance to weaken Japan and make them lose valuable ships and officers while vulnerable to discourage another invasion in the near future. That said, they could have reasoned that with Hideyoshi's death and knowing that Japan had been divided for a long time until relatively recently, it was a reasonable bet that infighting was about to happen.
I do wonder what would have become of Yi Sun Sin if he hadn't fought this battle or at least been more cautious. Would have he performed more great deeds? Or perhaps retired and lived a well earned and peaceful life? Then again, knowing the Joseon court and their "awkward" relationship with him, things could have ended in an even more tragic manner eventually.
Probably retired considering his son ill omen
I already mentioned in one of my comments in the previous video, but attacking retreating enemy wasn't caused by petty desire for revenge but tactical decision and realities of war - the war hasn't officially ended so it's logical to inflict as much damage to the enemy as possible. The Japanese had the same idea too, their plan of helping Konishi Yukinaga retreat was to annihilate both Ming and Joseon Navy/Army before leaving. Acquiring this metaphorical last laugh also helps the winning side gaining a stronger diplomatic position after the war.
Plus it was Ming army/navy that called the shot anyway. The decision to engage or not was up to Ming, not Joseon.
As for Yi Sun-sin, if he survived the battle, there's a high chance he will end up like he did before the second invasion, i.e. jailed and likely executed. His enemies inside Joseon court that got him jailed the first time were still there, and they had no intention to stop. In fact they immediately went after Yi's benefactor (Ryu Seong-ryong) after the war and got him sacked in 1598, the very same year Imjin War ended.
@@戰國春秋 So the ming wanted to attack all along, or were they initially ok with letting Konishi go? Besides, the Japanese were reacting to the allied fleet, so if they weren’t going on the offensive against Konishi, this battle might not have taken place. It’s not like the Japanese intended to launch another large scale offensive again.
@@matthewct8167 For the overall big picture, after their three major offensives failed, Ming army did show signs of wavering, and wanted to simply let the Japanese go. But news of Hideyoshi's death reached China, which prompted them to take up the offensive again.
For specific commanders though, Liu Ting never had much motivation to fight, so he negotiated with Konishi Yukinaga and let him go. Chen Lin was "neutral", he won't simply let Konishi go scot-free, but willing to at least entertain the idea if Konishi negotiate with him and give him substantial concession/benefits. Yi Sun-sin was hardline "no means no", but he didn't have much say in the matter as Chen Lin had overall command of the fleet.
Also, while Japanese at the time never intended to launch another large scale offensive again, Konishi was basically in a fish in a barrel situation-an easy victory ripe for taking. Either the rest of the Japanese invasion force ignore him and go home, in that case Konishi is doomed, or they can try to help Konishi and get a severe mauling at Battle of Noryang instead. The allies could reap a major victory either way, but they won't get anything if they didn't attack, so they stand to lose big by not attacking.
Oh... I haven't watched this channel for awhile and immediately saw Noryang. This is definitely the popular take. However, recently I found a very comprehensive Chinese blog. It says Shimazu absolutely understood what they're getting into. They just came to buy time, so that Konishi could run.
Konishi was supposed to evacuate the entire castle, so he was vulnerable. His division was the prey Ming-Joseon wanted as he had to carry almost 15000 men. However, with Shimazu threatening them, they needed to deal with Shimazu first, so Konishi needed to run as fast as he could before they're coming for him. That's why the Japanese keep bragging they won this battle.
Konishi didn't sail to Japan, but to Busan. He was the last to leave Korea. The relation between Konishi and Shimazu was actually very good that, before Sekigahara, Yukinaga told the Shimazu he would visit them after the battle was finished. The clan even had a join defensive operation in Kyushu.
I guess that's why devil shimazu gave a hard charge at sekigahara , he owed a debt. I'm telling everyone that my old neighbor looks like and acts like yoshihiro San.
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This is the end. Or is it really? 🤔
Tachibana Muneshige sure earned his warrior of the West moniker.
Love the Oni Club you have on your desk. What's the story behind it?
Was a gift from my old instructor:)
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I think that the Imjin War & the later Second Sino-Japanese War are similar for they both show Japanese military prowess, remarkable discipline and determination against the foes they invade.
Unfortunately, both wars showed that the Japanese were extremely brutal adversaries who are highly successful at incurring the wrath of their foes, to the point that unbridled rage would alas spell reckoning against Japanese forces.
To be precise the war still hasn't ended. There's some mopping up left to do, and the defeated party of Noryang still had to return to Japan.
Also, while Ming fleet appears to be large, most Ming warships were of the smaller, 20+ crews-per-ship type (large warships couldn't make it to Korea in time).
Thank you for your video. Please do some research on 'sayaga'.>he betrayed hideyoshi and gave into Chosun,and became korean. His new korean name is 김충선.
It’s quite interesting that the Japanese we’re as formidable despite the issue with them being smaller people compared to the Chinese and Koreans.
From what I've seen the average height for a Korean man during the Joseon dynasty would be around 5'3in in China the average man would be 5'4+ and Japanese at 5'2+. So, not that much difference really
@@JapanatWar the Chinese always called the Japanese dwarfs for some reason. Thanks for the reply
@@matthewct8167 Absolutely. A lot of the insults thrown at each other were just petty. Kind of like how Brits and the French have thrown insults at each other
@@JapanatWar Can you provide the sources?
i find it fascinating how the japanese were so destructive... given their size compared to mainland chinese and koreans. Have you seen samurai photos? they are tiny. And also toyotomi is an madman asian hitler of the 16th century
Noryang battle:
Ming ships：269
Joseon ships：60±
Japanese ships: 500±
Wow , shimazu wasn't as good as Tachibana!? Lol. I wish I could marry a ginchiyo. 'That's what I said, a girl worth fighting forrrr.'
But what about the retreat of the rest of the Japanese army in Korea? Surely they would need to escape it for the war to truly conclude, even if the conclusion by now is long foregone.
@@dezhengguo6261 Thanks for the information!
Regarding Ming general Deng Zilong’s death, here’s the Chinese version of the story. When Deng saw that Yi Sunshin had been surrounded, he rushed to Yi’s aid. However, due to the fact that he was onboard a Panokseon provided by the Joseon navy, the allies mistook it for a Japanese ship and it was hit by friendly fire and was immobilized. The Japanese took advantage of this situation and boarded Deng’s ship, Deng fought bravely killing several enemies but ultimately got overwhelmed.
Stop spreading false Chinese revisionist point of views. Yi was never surrounded by the Japanese fleet but the Chinese, which Yi went to the rescue.
@@yyyymmddhhmm How is that revisionist? I don't think the Chinese and the Korean accounts differed that much. And judging by your name you are neither Chinese nor Korean and nor Japanese so who are you to judge?
@@weifan9533 It's specifically recorded on annals and past scripts. Deng Zilong got himself surrounded on his own, not Yi. Stop squirming your way out.
@@yyyymmddhhmm What annals are you talking about? Squirming my way out? Sounds more like what you're trying to do. Before you accuse others please look into the mirror.
@@yyyymmddhhmm Did you watch the video? Yi rushed in first while the Chinese fleet lagged behind.
My god, they already won and they lost their best commander chasing down bloody revenge on an enemy already in feel, bloodied retreat. As wonderful as the battle is I can't help but see it as something of a waste. How much blood and treasure lost because of the pride of a war already decided.
it was to show lasting impression not to come back. sorta worked for few centuries