Bosch's Newest FREAK vs ALL & Weird Torque w/ Socket Explained?
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
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Today we test the IDH182B, the GDX18V-1600B and the GDX18V-1800 vs the newest Bosch Freak the GDX18V-1860! With plenty of obvious oddities in our last visit to the freaks, we have some 'splainin to do on this on, so join as as we dyno these and try to do just that!
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The Bosch FREAK remains one of the weirdest and most appropriately named tools we've tested. We're hoping for a Gen 4 some day so this fun never stops. They are getting better each time after all.
Torque of TTC is working in product development for Astro Tools who make impact wrenches (air). Always consider multiple sources when looking at tools!
Any chance you could do the Metabo Hpt Triple hammer sometime? I know its a bit older but I really want to see how the 3 hammers effects the graph.
@@zerodpi671 triple hammer is an odd one. Digging into it
Simple explanation why adapter has more power, it's the same thing as having a breaker bar vs a regular ratchet wrench. Longer is better, it's why they tend to break because of more torque.
@@jlrockafella he's show in past videos extensions actually decrease power.
@@jlrockafella When you use a breaker bar the length of it is placed radially, and force i multiplied by the length so more of it makes more torque. When the length is on the axis of the bolt it just puts more material to be flexed and lose torque. That's the precise problem here, none of the other tools benefit from longer adapters.
The reason you get less torque with the anvil vs the adapter is because a hollow shaft under torsion deflects more than a solid one. The torsion is related to the cross section diameter to the 4th power. That would also explain why putting the broken bit in there helps. Full disclosure I’m a drivetrain engineer for Deere doing front axles.
i might be misunderstanding what you mean, been a hot minute since ive done anything relating to physics, but wouldn't this mean that when they tested a hollow socket vs solid ones, the hollow one should've made less? it ended up making quite a lot more, why do you think that is? im curious since you 100% know more about why it might've than i would
Es raro que sea al revés en ves del yunque hueco transmitir menos torque
but the diameter doesnt change from filling in the middle
@@polygorg cross section, not diameter.
See, my thought was the play from the fit of the 1/4 hex is actually allowing the anvil to gain a fraction more speed before the head skips, which could generate more power. A tighter fit, in some cases wouldnt allow as much speed to accumulate on the anvil. Im probably mixing terms but maybe you can see what im thinking...
I’m an electrical mechanic and my Bosch gen 2 is my go-to impact. It’s absolutely perfect for the work I do since I only need to use a half inch socket occasionally and when I do, it has enough beans for what I do, and I’m extremely pleased with it. Now my entire tool platform is Bosch and while not everything from them has been as good as this impact driver, I keep finding certain Bosch tools are absolute beasts and even the ones that aren’t are really quite well built and stand up beautifully to construction work.
They’re starting to come out with much more tools as well, they’re definitely investing in the line!
Well, I'm still using the gen 1 I think. But I do woodworking and it's pretty perfect for assembling but I admit wasn't impressed when I first got it either but it's worked out nicely
Bosch tools are great, though they do tend to overrate them for some reason
Not only great tool reviews, but humor to boot!
So... how does it _feel_ compare to the 1800c? The 1800c feel so finely tuned compared to my more expensive Makita, , Milwaukee or my Dewalt brushless drivers.
That's where Bosch Succeeds. Durability, and Precision.
Agreed, although I have never owned anything Makita, I've had my fair share of Milwaukee and Dewalt tools, with some Ryobi and Craftsman also thrown in.
Having said so, none of those impact drivers could match my Freak Gen 2 for lowest speed using the variable trigger. And that's super handy for driving small Philips head screws into soft wood or OSB
You guys should drill a hole into a socket adapter the same size as the shank and see if it loses noticable power in different impact drivers
i'm pretty sure it's a harmonics /spring-mass system that helps on the hex adapter.
like it gets twisted from 3-4 blows by the anvil and delivers that as one hard hit as the adapter can't take any more torsion.
I'm thinking it maybe weight on the 1/2 anvil, hollowed out even with the broken adapter inside the anvil could still lack the weight per blow, I guess removing it and weighing it compared to a regular one would produce a potential answer
@@GudasWorld Mass in the middle doesn't contribute much energy since its smaller distance from the rotation axis means much lower linear speed than the outer diameter. Kinetic energy scales with linear speed squared, meaning that 2X the distance from center is 4X as much energy for a given amount of mass and there is a whole less mass in the middle in the first place. The difference likely has more to do with flex: the 1/4" bits go straight through to solid metal while the 1/2" anvil sits on top of the 1/4" quick-release mechanism, more metal to spring and soften blows. The insert reduces that flex.
The theory should be easily verifiable: paint the insert and run the impact for 30 seconds. If the anvil is indeed twisting enough for the insert to make a difference in this manner, paint should be worn out in opposite directions at opposite ends.
@@GudasWorld The moment of inertia of a cylinder scales with the fourth power of radius. If you remove the inner half of a 1/2" cylinder, you lose only 1/16th of the kinetic energy. Also keep in mind that most of the mass at the largest radius from the rotation axis (highest moment of inertia) lies in the hammer mechanism, not in the bit attachment/anvil. You may not normally see it but it is still where the bulk of the impact magic is happening.
I'm just impressed in how the 1/4" drive doesn't just snap at these torque levels.
The combination 1/2" anvil with 1/4" hex adapter makes the bosch freak the top of my personal rank chart.... like +100 pounds just for that. Use it in the garage for everything. Not chasing ridiculous power (mostly use it on setting 1).
Bingo - this is why I own one as well. If I need big ugga-duggas I can buy something else, but the flexibility is unbeatable. Like you, mine lives on power setting 1. Mostly used for putting screws into/out of wood, doing up bolts on my trailer, building ikea furniture, working on my dirtbike, disassembling / reassembling whitegoods and other household tasks.
I don't know why the torque numbers are low on the Freaks when not using an adapter but my Freak 2 has always been able to remove lugnuts on my cars including my full size truck which has a factory spec of 130 ft-lbs. It takes 4-5 seconds on each.
The only one I was unable to remove with it was on an old Ranger which had its lugnuts over torqued by a small tire shop. For the record my 3/8 Craftsman CMCF910 was also unsuccessful at removing those
Would be good to see the freaks tested again with the 8ah battery's. It would be interesting to see how much that steps them up to complete with other brands
Would love to see how Metabo HPT/HiKoki's triple hammer fares against these. The gen3 came out recently in Japan
Been using bosch exclusively for 5 years as a contractor... All my drivers were prior to the Freaks release, never had any issues with them. When finally went looking for a high output impact, that was a transition point. Half Dewalt tools, bosch still going strong though. The Core battery's are wonderful, just expensive.
Bosch to Milwaukee for me.
Seems like if your rank charts use the torque numbers with the adapter, that you should use the length of the tool with the adapter. Can't have it both ways.
Hmm that's true
Love my freak. And even though I wish it had more beans, I like how light and controllable it is.... I seem to grab it for light duty stuff over my Milwaukee stubby.... And yes I wish it was 3/8" as that's more suitable for this torque range
Tripping the stubby sets the standard for compact tools
I'm never impressed by Bluetooth functionality in a power tool, just another reason to drive up the cost. Buttons on the tool is good enough
Does a Bluetooth power tool have a way to return back to normal if it's Bluetooth function fails or gets a gremlin?
I doubt it drives the production cost of the tool up much at all, but as a feature it probably increases retail price. I think its a stupid idea too, no one needs that kind of complexity in an impact driver. Its like the stupid internet connected washing machines and cookers.
@J D as far as Bosch goes it’s a module you buy an insert into the handle, you don’t have to use it. And it’s pretty useful on a job site keeping track of tools and turning functions like soft start off and on. That being said I didn’t buy the Bluetooth module for gen 2.5(which is the gen 3 in my opinion).
In production volumes, a Bluetooth chip (with other necessary components such as crystal oscillator etc) costs well under $1. If they replaced the existing microcontroller that runs the brushless motor with a Bluetooth-enabled microcontroller, rather than adding a second one, the additional cost would most probably be in the range of a few tens of cents. Adding buttons (when factoring in additional assembly labour etc) would most likely be more expensive.
@@6atlantis yea I like the fact that they give you the option of having it or not having it while having it under the same model. Whereas Milwaukee is either one key or not.
Bosch is breaking the laws of physics again. They are probably laughing over at R&D right now...freaks indeed. Bet they have some of the best parlor tricks, though!
I absolutely love my Bosch Gen 2 Freak. I never really encounter super rusted bolts or similar requiring a lot of torque, mostly use mine when I have a lot of bolts to remove or snug up before torquing them with a torque wrench. Also really comes in handy when working on motorbikes as I can put in 1/4" hex bits for removing fairings, brake rotor bolts, and those kinda things. Not very powerful, but I don't need it to be. That's what I have my 3 foot breaker bar for :)
That's what people with weak tools say
What do the mechanical engineers say when asked perplexing questions ?
At the end of the day for how compact it is, it seems like a more one tool does all/most for the average person. You can run the hex adapters for the small bits like a phillips head, allens, or torx. With that being said I can understand why the tool is not a powerhouse either, being most people would strip fasteners if it had a bunch of power. Also in the same breath you can swap over to light auto work and keep that tool shorter in length for tight spaces when you're looking to run sockets. Indeed I do believe having a hollowed out anvil is the culprit in seeing the difference from a socket adapter to running a straight socket on the anvil. More solid weight/steel is way more efficient at transferring energy than a hollowed void and a filled one with air gaps or room for the broken hex to move.
Bosh tools don’t die we have dropped the 100ft off lifts ran them over with forklifts and still using them, they are lighter and smoother to use then most.
"We could make a fortune off of it"
Bosch: "It's so simple.....too simple. Next!"
The Gen 2 was actually my first power tool purchase (along with the hammer drill in a kit) almost a year ago. Just use it to work on my small body pick up, and it serves me just fine. Not the strongest or fastest, but I got the 2 tool kit with 2 5A batteries, the charger and bag for ~$120 new.
Are you sure they’re not 4ah batteries?
@@6atlantis you are right, my bad
At least in my country (Mexico), this november 2022 Home Depot had an special offer; they were giving a charger plus two 4.0 standard batteries with all 18 V bare tools at the price of a bare tool (albeit inflated), as if Bosch were happy to get rid of a lot of standard batteries, maybe to go out with the newer pricier "CORE" batteries... Unfortunately for us, Home Depot only sells here the low level, amateur grade tools here, the damn brushed gen 1.5 that is good only for the very smallest jobs...
I'm waiting for you to test the Ridgid.
That and the skil 20v impact wrench and driver
Regarding the torque difference when using an adapter, I remember watching a video about torque sticks. The guy in the video complained why the sticks are considerably off when used on an impact wrench vs a pneumatic gun. There was an insightful comment from an engineer who explained that the impact per minute difference between the two means that the impact wrench can deliver higher torsional load on the stick which translates to higher torque on the bolt. I guess the adapter here acts like the stick and can help deliver more power. May be you could find a longer adapter and test if you could achieve still higher values.
I think the main thing to consider with an explanation like this is the “springy” nature of torque sticks. The torque stick elastically deforms under impact and it is designed to return to equilibrium before the next blow. Cordless impact wrenches typically have a higher IPM which means that they will most likely have another impact before the torque stick has fully reached eq, thats why they can produce more torque than a lower IPM pneumatic gun. From my insight, which could be totally wrong, I think that the hex adapter, while stronger, will not be strong enough to mitigate any torsional deflection. Thats where I am baffled by the phenomenon seen.
It is basically a dynamic amplification effect leveraging the torsional flexibility of that adaptor. I'm pretty sure this can be modeled with LS-DYNA (an explicit dynamics FE code) to prove it.
Considering we know it limits forward torque in modes 1 and 2 perhaps it also limits it in mode 3 and having the adapter vs not is changing the feedback the tool is getting. I.e with the adapter the tool sees a lower torque being applied so it gives more beans, without the adapter it sees a higher torque being applied and holds back more of those angry pixies🤔
I like it. One of the few explanations as to why Milwaukee might be different
@@TorqueTestChannel after some thought if this where the case you may see this scale with the modes seeing a similar drop of 15% giving around 25 ft lbs in mode 1 for example
@@TorqueTestChannel One way to verify this would be to put the equivalent Bosch impact wrench on the dyno. The GDS18V-1860 impact wrench has the same specs as the GDX18V-1860 impact driver, as seen in the spec page from the manual in the video at 8:05. Based on what we're seeing in your tests, my guess is that the GDS wrench would make more power than the GDX driver, and that would strongly suggest David Dixon's hypothesis is correct. Unfortunately it does not appear that the GDS wrench is available for sale yet. It's not even listed on Bosch's website.
By the way, Lowes has the new GDS18V-1860 priced at $129 (same as Amazon), but you get a "free" 4.0Ah battery kit (with a pretty good charger).
Humor with the flat and straight delivery is what i came for…
Four years and no problem with my Bosch impact drivers. But I have the gdr version that has 1/4 collet only so it's not considered a freak. Bosch makes 2 versions of all their impacts gdr - 1/4 collet only, gdx - freak version. Every one of the freaks you've tested has 1/4 collet version like gdr 18v 1860, 1800 and the original freak except they are sometimes not available in U. S.
Do you have a way to count the number of impacts with and without the socket extension? My theory is that the harmonics are being modified enough with the extension that you end up with more hits.
The funny thing about the insert helping is in some of Bosch’s advertisements they showed putting on a half inch socket while a bit was still inserted. So maybe they sorta already knew?🤷♂️
Can you check the accuracy of a torque wrench being used on a 3/8 or 1/2-inch drive crawfoot wrench? Thanks.
The same impact in the video also survived getting soaked with water and fire suppressant for about 30 minutes solid while they were trying to put out a press fire at the saw mill. It was in there with two DeWalts and my M18 3/8 Fuel also, one of the DeWalts didn’t survive the water test though. I use the freak all the time because it’s convenient for lots of situations.
I agree. That Bluetooth app ‘thing’.. pretty cool. But how many people in a construction 🚧 or automotive tech. Industry are REALLY going go through the trouble of doing all of that.
Although, I don’t exactly know WHAT industry or “person” this specific product is targeted at.. 🤔
I'd rather pay the same for a "dumb" impact that makes more power. I have one impact wrench with multiple settings and I never use them. Stays on high
The lock out is targeted at union jobsites where there are 100s of tools and potential thieves. If it won't start, you can't use it or sell it. The torque control is for people doing repetitive actions that require a certain torque. Could be on an assembly line for small machinery or something. I personally had fun with the first dewalt batteries that had bluetooth because I downloaded the app unbeknownst to my boss at the time and he would be drilling something at the top of a ladder and I could shut it off. Other than laughs, no real use for us.
The foreman that just got his box broken into is going to use the app for himself and his top guys. And you don’t have to buy it, it’s a module you put in the tool handle if you want it.
Generally speaking, the bluetooth features in most tools are initially targetted to fleet managers, doing largely standardized tasks that can benefit from custom settings, as well as benefit from lockout (for thieves or locking out defective tools), and tracking.
It’s on Marketing that it’s marketed towards consumers now.
I dont know the Situation In the us nur in Germany Bosch offers 3 Options of this impact GDR with 1/4“ hex driver, GDS with 1/2“ Drive und the GDX with the Combination anvil
Are you doing the tests in the same order? If so, there could be some battery/motor heat effects.
You should redo the 3 tests (with adaptor, without adapter, with broken adapter) with 1 hour break between each test. Charge battery straight after each test and let it rest.
Not saying that you're wrong, just want to remove as many variables as possible.
Always wondered, what's the sheering point of the anvils on a modern impact wrench. I've seen worn anvils...but curiously, never broken. With torque numbers being what they are, how much more can say a 1/2" anvil take?
I was thinking about buying this but it sounds like a Apple iPhone. Generation 1, 2, 3? I’m going to wait and see if other brands follow this and see which one is best 😂
So i have a first gen brushless. It obviously doesn't hit as hard as any of the m18 impact drivers. That said I used mine for tire rotations on my truck, my buddies m18 was unable to remove lug nuts that were put on with my bosch same socket.
I'm just here for the innuendos
Giggity
From experience the socket adapters suck in the real world as they break after any real use like if you try and take off suspension parts they are toast. I gave up on them long ago and finally got an impact wrench.
I have the Ryobi 2,200 in. Lb impact driver P238VN… have y’all tested that? I’d love to see what it can do with the 9aH battery (unless all it does is snap the adapters)
If I mail it in, how long does it take to get it back? I kinda use it a LOT.
What’s the model number for it?
No ryobi drivers snap adapters
@@kevinragsdale6256 I mean, let’s be honest, maybeee some knockoff alibaba adapters. Lol
@@kevinragsdale6256 I’ve already broken 3 of the Ryobi 1/2” socket adapters, a Dewalt adapter, a Milwaukee adapter and a package of harbor freight adapters. 🤷♂️
Model P238VN
You should try a test with 1 driver, 2 half-inch adapters, but on one adapter, tack weld one of those broken ¼" drive stems to it. If that little bit of extra weight can up the torque by 8 ft/lbs with the gen 3 freak, then that means that the weight of that ¼" drive stem that you added to the freak to "fill the void" is what actually produced the extra torque.
As an electrician that does strictly remodels this is an absolute essential tool. ruclips.net/user/postUgkx0vyBwjtx9GGOuiqUVT2sRoYqmDoNT_RI Being able to precision cut any material with a light weight tool is priceless.I upgraded to this Dewalt 20v from a competitor's 12v. The Dewalt 20v is just as light as the competitor's 12v. I am extremely pleased with the overall performance and battery life of this tool. As far as oscillators go, they just aren't very ergonomic tools. The dewalt oscillators have an offset handle that do make them somewhat more ergonomic than the competitors' oscillators.
i have the gen 1 and beat the living hell out of it and still use it when i work on my truck its great and i wont buy a new one till it dies i have 2 bosch batterys and only have the jig saw and the impactor everything else is makita or dewalt the jigsaw is my favorite its 7 years old and still going strong
3:49 script had me dying!!! 🤣 5 sec 🤣🤣🤣
Hello again Torque Test Channel
Thank you for another Great Video. I think, I 'll pass on this one. I need a tool to work every time. Again thank you
Is it possible that the red collar is not turning with the socket and is actually in contact with the socket thereby taking torque away due to the red collar creating friction on the socket?
The jokes in these videos 😂😂😂
It needs more rotating mass. It's got more motor torque than it can use. The extra bit of weight is what it needs
Bosch needs to make a hydraulic version of their freak.
Also a 3/8 ratchet would be nice.
Do those sockets push up against that red collar? I was thinking maybe it could be creating some extra friction. That's one of the other major differences I see on the Bosch vs other impacts, that weird collar
No
If a tool company would make a quick change anvil for a 1/4” driver, 3/8 drive and a 1/2” compact all in one, I would definitely buy one. Not like a Bosch freak but a quick change anvils that are solid in the center
I've used this model building pre-engineered metal buildings, and so far it's been great and I don't really have any complaints. It works well as a standard impact driver for screwing down wall/roof sheets, and the half inch drive on it is convenient and it's nice to have a light "Impact Wrench" considering I don't actually need the massive torque required by, say, a diesel mechanic pulling axles out.
Obviously this tool wouldn't be fit for a proper large structural steel building frame, but that's not what I'm using it for. I can see why a lot of folks who actually NEED the sort of torque your average half inch impact would want would find this tool disappointing, but I like it.
Not sure if I have a gen 1 or 2 but I love mine for tasks around the house. Driving long screws and lag screws it is fantastic. I'm a diesel tech by trade so I've got breaker bars and air impacts for the heavy stuff.
Why can’t bosch make the freaks more competitive? 3rd gen needed at least 30% more power, not 3%. The design is genius and I would love a 3/8” compact freak with the bit driver but it would be great with double the power…and with the 2.0ah battery. Reliable smaller batteries with high discharge/charge rates for quick charging while under heavy sustained use should be offered by most of the major companies. When you have to use the tool overhead for hours at a time, but you need high output, a reliable powerful 1.5/2.0 battery should be the priority. Thanks for testing these and making the commentary entertaining.
I think it is worth mentioning that the 2nd and 3rd gen Freaks already have enough torque to snap hex adapters. TTC has several videos that show adapters being broken regularly. Take the Flex vs. Milwaukee impact driver showdown for example:
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My guess is that manufacturers are trying to balance power with user experience/satisfaction, and don't want customers breaking a dozen impact adapters in a day's work. In reality, 150 ft-lb is plenty to drive all but the largest lag bolts, so packing more power into impact drivers is just asking to snap hex adapters (not to mention lower-quality screws).
In short, I don't think you actually want a Freak with 300 ft-lbs of torque. It would snap adapters (and smaller/cheaper screws) like crazy. What makes more sense to me is a moderately-powered impact driver (150 - 175 ft-lbs) and a separate impact wrench for use with sockets.
@@GAMP-b2s OMG thank you. So many people just want MOAR POWA in every tool. I use a oil impact for the lower noise and despite having 1/4 of the peak torque, it happily puts 14G tek screws in 3mm (1/8") steel.
Most impacts these days are absurdly overpowered when they spend 99% of their time putting in 10-14g screws, but people froth over their ability to undo lug nuts on trucks when almost no one uses them for that.
I'd much prefer they made impacts smaller and quieter rather than more powerful, but big numbers gets clicks on youtube and sales at the store.
Stop watching Dewalt commercials lol, stacked lithium is here in the power tool sector but let’s see if Dewalt or flex can make a five amp hour stack lithium before we ask Bosch to change, because right now they use 21700 cells and the 4ah batteries that come with the bare tools are pretty compact
@@6atlantis they have recently released exactly that: a 5 Ah Powerstack battery. They're insanely powerful, but pouch cells are notorious in the RC world for bulging and getting on fire. The same goes for laptops and phones, so I'd wait and see what the experiences will be before wanting other manufacturers to implement the same technology. So far, only Flex seems to follow them.
For me, a single row 21700 battery like the 4 Ah Core one is powerful and compact enough for compact tools and has far better runtime than a 1.7 Ah Powerstack one.
@@macvos I didn't like how the 5Ah stacked lithium battery is almost the same size as the 5Ah 2 row battery with 18650 cells.It almost defeats its purpose other than the extra oomph.
Same with Flex where a 6Ah stacked lithium battery is about the same as their regular 5Ah if not bigger
Put the socket on then put the socket adopter in instead of the insert. Lol
Great review! Just one question. Can you do all 3 tests without the adapter as well? I know that is gives more with it, but the data without would be very usefull, it being 2 Inch shorter without. And for me as a professional home owner that two in one would be great if its strong enough.
See the 1st freak video. We tested without 1st
Would be interesting to see that tool+adapter in slow-mo because i suspect the reason for slightly higher torque is that the long adapter sort of springs back all of the tool's internals that are then caught and accelerated by the hammer, essentially adding to it's mass.
A way to test that theory would be to put your finger on the tool's square and feeling for the bounce-back, as well as actually preventing it in a subsequent test.
My brain is telling me you're getting higher scores with an adapter because it acts as an additional hammer. So, put the socket on and then attach the adapter inside... Next compare with a giant socket on first followed by an adapter inside affixed with the correct size socket.
Perhaps it’s the additional rotation mass that’s increasing the numbers. 🤔
Thank for all your good tests here in Australia we get a Bosch GDX 18V-200C were would this fit on your list and how do you find your list to look at
the GDX18V-200C is basically the same Gen 2 GDX18V-1800C we get in North America. 200Nm is roughly 1800 in-lbs.
The new Freak is known as GDX18V-210C in countries using metric system
I used to always run my old GDX with a ph2 inside at the same time as a 17mm socket, as these were the two fasteners I used mostly at the time. I’m getting really tempted to sell my M12 FID and get another GDX.
My theory I the Hammers inside the tools are to small, when you use the adapter the impact is more widespread and the tool wiht no adapter the impact get transferred less efficiently because the hammer mechanisms is similar size as the square end. Well that's my theory.
Have you ever experienced trying to loosen a Phillips or slotted screw with a regular length screwdriver and then tried a much longer screwdriver and the screw comes loose ?
What if you put the socket on, then the socket adapter?
I have the same trick anvil on my fake Makita - wondering if it does the same with the socket adapter.
Nice video, I have had the 1.5 for years now and it shows it.. but hasn't let me down yet!
Very weird that with the adapter it applies more torque.
Bosch does actually sell that exact same tool but with a solid half inch anvil, I wonder how it stacks up
I'm sure you're on it, but I'm very interested in seeing how the new Bauer brushless driver performs. Smaller than before, supposedly more power, and still a cheap deal at $50, it should be interesting to find out whether it moves higher than the brushed model.
Bosch is messing with physics again, get my stake
4:27 it's an ORDER OF MAGNITUDE up from the previous
What ??????????????????????
129 is not an order of magnitude up from 50
and order of magnitude up from 50 would be 500
Math versus figure of speech
@@macvos
LOL.... yeah.. i guess...... . kinda... but not really LOL
Thank you for testing the theory
Felt a mass/ weight reduction from hollow anvil was a limiting factor.
Only way to test is drill out harden steel anvil to test vs regular anvil to answer if this would cause a difference.
Tbh strength and rigid ness is different from square and tube style shafts. Example drive shafts on cars / helicopters are tubes taking twisting forces and flexing under load staying relatively straight and stout buildings use I beams not designed to take twisting forces I beams are relatively square not round. I bet there is mass loss and flex under load causing loss tbh but it’s a theory.
U should try PARKSIDE tools popular in eu
226Nm performance line cost like 65$ bare tool (battery is around 20$) that looks and works like dewalt dcf 850
If you have the ability to send one for testing… I’m sure they would test it out. Cheers
They are very good for the price, but seem to have high malfunction rates and QA/QC problems, with some machines seemingly going on forever and a lot of them dying after a relatively short time of serious use.
I personally propose you test the corded Milwaukee impact wrench.
Fantastic idea. Thank you for sharing. Spread the word about the channel and hope to see you comment again. Cheers bud
Bosch blue tools always looked cool to me for some reason
If i had to guess id say the increased mass of the extension effecting momentum of the socket spinning.
Hmmm... Wonder who's going to solve the mystery. You guys are putting out a lot of videos. Thanks
Dont have an impact, But I have a Bosch drill and batteries (I love it)
I am a home owner, and use these tools occasionally, and thought to get an impact for a wood yard build project (swing set for the kids)
I have a chance to buy the Gen1.5 for 1/3 the cost of a gen 2
Is it good enough for a casual user such as myself ? or is it way underpowered ?
or am I better off buying a GDR 18v-1600 for 2/3 the price of a GDX 18v-1600 ?
Great content. Your vid made me hesitate on buying the gen 2, but considering I was upgrading from porter cable for under $100 I’m glad I did. Hopefully Bosch sees your videos and corrects their next version and maybe issues a bit to correct previous versions
I wonder if the hollowed-out hybrid socket anvil might be flexing when using a socket directly, absorbing some of the energy a solid one would otherwise transmit. Would be really curious to see an anvil-swap on one of these to test that.
Edit: lol should have just kept watching, not a novel theory 😂️
TTC needs to make a dub step album using power tool sounds and such
😂
3:50 I feel personally attacked
Hahahaha that 69 stuff was hilarious
I work in installing solar panels would this impact drill would be good enough for the type of work I do ?? Milwaukee and dewalt are kind of out of my budget right now
Yes, the 1800 and 1860 should do well for that.
Easily
Your really shouldn't test any bosch tool with 4ah (only 4ah) proCore batteries. Any other proCore battery is superior to 4ah.
This batteries contain only 5 cells vs 10 for any other size proCore. This limits max current that can be drawn from them.
A few other youtubers already tested them and proved that old 4ah batteries are actually better (only 4ah, not any other size).
5.5Ah and up doesn't have this problem
You might be the 1st to argue using 21700 cells is worse than 18650s in our comments. But its proof we're always using the wrong battery regardless of what that battery is
@@TorqueTestChannel don't get me wrong. 21700 cells are superior to 18650. Its just that 4Ah proCore battery contains only 5 of them connected in series vs 5.5Ah and any bosch proCore battery have 10 of them inside connected in pairs of then in series of 5. This simply allows to draw twice more maximum current discharge rate. I believe it is 35A vs 70A for 21700 cells
@@TorqueTestChannel you're right they're much better. However, the old double row 18650 4Ah batteries have 22A sustained power per row (18V x 22A x 2 = 792 watts) , while the single row 4Ah Core 21700 has around 35A (18V x 35A = 630 watts). Peak power is probably comparable.
The Core battery is smaller and lighter though, and 630 watts continuous and over 800 peak (until battery temperature limit of 80 degrees Celsius is reached) is probably enough for this class of impact.
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There’s a new Bosch impact driver, the gdr 18v220c in Europe. Be cool to see you guys test their updated model to see if it’s any better. Some guys in the states have gotten it off of eBay
I'm a bricklayer and bought a bosch SDS hammer drill for drilling wall starter kits and cleaning any dried mortar from brick amd block recently, got charger and battery with the drill. Was well impressed woth it for the price so bought a circle saw as it was reduced to a great price and bought a 2more batteries. Now I've the bosch freak gen 3 now lol I really rate bosch tools for their quality build amd pricing
I have a test I performed with my Makita XWT17Z 1/2 inch impact using 5 AH battery at full charge, removing 10 lugnuts from a Budd wheel that are torqued at 450 ft/lbs. took a full battery 2 minutes 10 seconds to remove all 10, took a full battery 1 minute 29 seconds to reinstall with the same battery then another full battery took them all up over 300 ft/lbs. torque in 4 minutes before the battery had dropped to 50%. Makita, to me, is the best tool overall and 18V batteries for every tool I have makes it easy for charging and each new tool I get from this point on will be powered with 18V Makita batteries. All other tools I have are Snap On but Makita is my cordless tool choice and will never change.
Twice as much isn't "an order of magnitude" just saying. An order of magnitude is another zero on the end, I.E. x10
Is it due to leverage? I have no idea, maybe the ugga dugga fairy likes adapters better?
Thank you so much for the video. I have model IDH182 and the original manual, but don't have a break-down for the Torque on each of the individual settings. However, I was reading a review from a blogger, on this particular tool, where one of the "Cons" is that the Torque is the same on all settings. Is this possible, even though the 3 settings are obviously different speeds? If not, why Bosch would not include the individual Torque on this model (unless the blogger is correct) and where can I find a source that can tell me the torque for each setting?
"...We have some 'splaining to do..."
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Hi! please can you test impact pen driver? like
hikoki wh7dl,
makita TD022D
Panasonic EZ7521
DCPL-7215
i am realy ecided to see this.
Is it just mass? What if you went through the Totally Enjoyable work of milling a tungsten hex insert and test that?
Can you make your adapter much heavier? Can you make the socket much heavier?
For the big cash throw away, what if all parts are welded. Socket to bolt, socket to wrench. This would remove any tiny amounts of acceleration a heavier socket back hookup would give you with a little looseness at the nut. Accelerating more weight means hitting harder. Everything welded in place would test this.
"An order of magnitude" means 10×, not the 2× you used it for in this video which would be just "double". Nitpick aside, great videos.
The only thing that could explain the adapter differences is "rotating mass". This is why when you install a broken adapter inside (which is half the added mass of an unbroken adapter) the results fall between "full adapter" and "no adapter"...
I wish they would make models of the cordless units with no modes. I'm not a fan, work provides Milwaukee units and I am forever accidentally pushing that button and when I go to use the gun it's in wimpy. Hate it.