Willful Blindness is a disease, that we all have, but in this case it's so sad that people who for their own benefit lie to others get away with this !!
I would say the biggest human crime above all would be all the precious lives were lost over lies and profit. Even bigger would be letting it happen again and again.
It may not be as simple as Michael says. We don't help every country that is threatening the world. It is good to be skeptical about things, but not assuming conspiracy theories about everything. Not trusting is not a healthy emotion. Brave man, talking about the evils of the military-industrial complex.
LONG LIVE PIERS MORGAN! LONG LIVE MICHAEL MOORE! At least these guys have brains, are realists, and have the guts and compassion to face the real issues!
Wow - good two-sided convo, gentlemen. You called a lot to light in a short time. To note, a Cdn band went through similar to what the Dixie Chicks did.. they were on their way up - opened for the Stones, toured w/ZZ Top, got the major label contract, etc. Fresh after the 9-11 tragedy, one of the members made a remark on how the US hadn't been friends to all (it was along that line). That remark went to print and *poof* the corporate backing of the band disappeared.
Romney was determined to destroy the affordable care act, SS and Medicare. We would never have gotten a raise in minimum wage, whereas now if we can take back the House in 2014, at least there's hope.
As a disable vet I know the war was a way to get oil. If we had not done that our gas price would be worst than England. My best guess would be 8.00 a gallon. So was it worth it to leave vets like me totally disabled for the rest of my life?
prosecute them and let the chips fall where they may! I would pay big money on cable TV to watch geroge and Dick prosecuted! Big ratings...they would be like little babies for sure! Its a sad joke!
General and NATO Chief Commander Wesley Clarke Ret., he said he was visiting Rummy, in the mid-90's &, after the meeting, a Pentagon Assistent came up to him and showed him, a then classified document, ( the general asked why he was showing it, thus, too,) to him. On the document were a list of about 9 nations, BEFORE 911, that the PNAC NeoCon crowd thinktanks had made for the PNAC in MidEast. The implied message, to him, he says, is that it is ALL PLANNED IN ADVANCE, like a mere game of Chess.
No, it's not simple the details of corruption and deception to understand but, not trusting liars is a healthy reasoning,not mere emotion. It is liars who want to press your emotional buttons and needs, to manipulate you into their own private agendae. It's not healthy to be duped, and re-schnookered over and over; to go to unjust, undeclared wars, for vague and undefined. ( to most but, maybe themselves,) wars. that is insane-naive trustingness, not healthy trust. But, M Moore also pointed out:
With all due respect to MM, THE greatest lie has been the idea of 'god' and the advancement of religion. I only wish that Mr. Moore would apply the same reason to his religious belief that he applies to other issues. It would give him a greater perspective on the 'why' questions.
There is never any mention that the first thing Bush said to his staff was "when are we invading Iraq?" It is clear that Bush wished that his father had gone on to remove Saddam in 1991 to which he said that if he was in his fathers position he would have. Wouldn't you have wanted Saddam removed in 1991 if you knew then what you did now.
what i want to tell you: it was definitively NOT IMPOSSIBLE to tell if saddam had WMD's in 2003. most of the countries and secret services around the world inculding the UN knew there were no WMD's. i think it is rather strange that the CIA really thought he had WMD's, since they are not stupid, and usually very good informed, at least they always know as much as the french know... so you cannot deny that it is possible they lied to get their so long wanted war.
I am confused? Obama intentionally choose not to prosecute or execute Bush and other war criminals. He literally said he wanted to. "move forward". That is actually a great point. Especially in light of this video. Ty - I am going to post this.
I cannot say there were no WMDs in Iraq with CERTAINTY as I would not be surprised if a number of chemical weapons were found in some offshoot place in Iraq. However, he definitely did not posses nuclear wmds and given the lack off evidence we now can say that there were no chemical weapons or any other WMD's as of 2003, upon the US invasion. I think in your question you mean he definitely did not have WMD's in 2003, as Iraq definitely has possessed WMD's in a period before 2003.
40 countries intelligence services around the world believed he had those weapons. Moore was wrong about saying everyone knew they were not there. Im not for or against Bush - Im just trying to state the fact on this point.
I agree, he could live a more modest life style. Ironic that as his work earned him so much that it has but him in the same income bracket as some of those he criticizes. However, has he treated those who helped to make him rich unfairly? Did Michael Moore use cheap foreign labor to produce his work, or did he keep production in the U.S. and pay union wages? I think there is a big difference between Michael Moore and people like Roger B. Smith.
BTW the US already has a large Nuclear arsenal which it has only ever used once. It acquired many of it's weapons prior to the signing of the Nuclear non-proliferation treaty which entails to stop the spread of nuclear weapons. Also the US stockpile is well secured and unlikely to be used unless in a very dire situation. If Iraq acquired WMDs as Iran is trying to do and Pakistan already has, the weapons could easily fall into the wrong hands if you didn't think they were already in such hands.
In 2003 it was impossible to tell whether Saddam did still have WMD's or not. Yes it turned out that those were right that said there were no WMD's in 2003. Now I do not know whether Bushes interpretation of the faulty information in 2003 was genuine as I have never met him, let alone talked to him behind closed doors and asked him what he thought of the information. The CIA could have made an error just as the FBI had when deciding Tamerlan Tsarnaev's fate after being warned by Russia.
I have never said I support the US giving him weapons and I oppose it. Reagan gave Iraq weapons to carry out It's war with Iran. It was illegal as were a number of Reagan other acts. It was not right 100%. But Saddam did want more than what the US gave him, and did attempt to develop these weapons which included nuclear devices. Also when a different administration comes along and decides to do the right thing I am not going to oppose the act, even if some of the actors are hypocrites.
It is speculation whether George Bush believed that there were WMD's in iraq or not. Iraq did have chemical weapons which could be considered WMD's and they also, pre-Gulf War, had advanced biological and nuclear capabilities before the removed fordefully in 1991. However, even if he did lie that does not mean that you live in the same society as 1984 and the fact you are able to write and say what you wrote is an indication of how different a society you live in to that of Winston Smiths.
As for my sentence it is only speculation as to whether George Bush believed Saddam had WMD's, he was given intelligence that suggested they did have them even though these sources turned out to be either corrupted incompetent. Chemical weapons do class as WMDs and Saddam had a lot prior to 1991. When the US destroyed most of his weapons thousands of tonnes of weapons were still missing and Saddam said that he had already disposed of them. Easy to see why Bush may have believed they had WMD's.
Not quite solid enough to say someone said it, I remember in primary school someone told me that a mate of mine liked to pick his nose... turns out he actually didn't. You will need to give me the link where you obtained your information before you have any hope of being believed.
only because they were against saddam doesn't mean they wanted democracy. thats what your american tv shows you, people tearing down saddam statues. yeash, that must be the prove they wanted democracy...
okay i see, but why not believe the french intelligence a little more? and the russian who said there were no WMD's. i mean in a sitaution like this america could have at least checked their version up!
Also if you believe that Iraq should have nuclear weapons based on the childish thought that "the US has them so why cant they" is an embarrassing point to have to argue. Saddam once said to one of his officials that he should not have invaded Kuwait before acquiring nuclear weapons. Any guess why? Because he either wanted to use them or threaten to use them. If you truly believe this man should have been allowed nuclear weapons it is clear why you are not in charge of US foreign policy.
..and, that is an appointment at the moment of death: they, all humans, have to keep, whether they like it or not, were rich, powerful or poor, powerless or even destitute and forgotten by the world dying at 8 years of age in Ethiopia or some other forsaken place, like Ruwanda, Iraq, Libya, and, now Syria where both sides are recruiting guess who? Children to fight for them! Little martyrs: little victims of 'adults,' around them. Adults or fwuppin' assholes? One might ask? And, it's not like..
OK people why don't we try this new thing out called reason its where instead of just being driven by irrational blind emotion you actually use your brain as-well, its where you listen to someone, take in what they have to say, then look at the facts and then make a decision about what you think based on the facts, you should try it sometime
Pierze Mustapha Morgan not only has that British accent, but that squeeky voice unsuited for broadcasting. Why so many of these squeek-voices are in the biz?
Hey Mikey, you have been taking my emails to heart have you? Did the little story do it for you? I do not hate a murderer, based on the act, it can be justified homicide. I do not hate the accused rapist, it can be a setup. I do not hate the thief, he may be feeding hungry kids. I DO HATE THE LIARS. They are trying to steal the most valuable thing you have, your trust. There is no excuse for the liar. Did that do it Mikey?
The majority of Iraqis were opposed to Saddam Hussein even for those who were in no way politically motivated the majority of Iraqis are shia muslim and Saddam was a sunni muslim who was much kinder to the sunni minority. The majority did want democracy and the fact you argue against it demonstrates your ignorance of the facts.
Fine, I'll have to go back and check who exactly it was on Bush's staff that said that, but I know it was someone credible. Nice, your insulting little analogy.
I am not too sure how you know that, were you a member of his general staff? I am afraid you make a rather extra-ordinary claim that needs to be backed up or else you look like someone who has very little knowledge of foreign policy analysis and the power of the executive in a presidential system.
btw: what if the majority of people in a country DO NOT WANT a secular democracy? ever thought about that? you talk about imposing democracy to iraq as it was a good thing and as if the world should thank america for that. well, they did not want democracy, in fact most of the arabic countries whis an islamic republic based on sharia law. that's what these people want, so why imposing on them something like democracy that they do not want. that's called dictating sthing on somebody.
You know what logic is, you know what a fallacy is, you've heard the words Michael Moore had to say - was there any logic that he stated that you thought was correct? That might narrow this down a lot more.
this sentence of yours "It is speculation whether George Bush believed that there were WMD's in iraq or not." ARE YOU REALLY BELIEVING THAT? cause a 4 year old child would not be as naive as you are.
You should have chosen not to reply. What an embarrassing way to end an argument. You know little of my politics only that I support the Iraq war. To say that I am a corporate drone would actually result in laughter from those who actually know my socio-economic views.
You get the government you deserve. The American people, people in the west generally (including myself) can blame themselves for these wrongs. Get of youtube and start taking a real interest in your own affairs.
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Michael Moore is a TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT! We need more like him!
I have no idea how anyone could dislike Michael Moore. He's on the right track.
Michael Moore, 2 words, WELL SAID.
Love watching this video in late 2016 and seeing how right Michael Moore was.
Thank god we have you Michael.
Its time to think.
Get rid of old institutions.
Michael showing the way
Willful Blindness is a disease, that we all have, but in this case it's so sad that people who for their own benefit lie to others get away with this !!
This may be the most powerful piece of news I've ever seen
El Señor Moore sure gets all serious and intense in this interview, awesome, Michael rocks!!!!
I would say the biggest human crime above all would be all the precious lives were lost over lies and profit. Even bigger would be letting it happen again and again.
thank you for sharing-- I would not be able to keep up with LOD without helpful people like you
God Damn I love Michal Moore. Dont hold back brother!
Michael walks to the beat of a different 🥁. It takes a while for the rest of us to hear that beat. He hears and sees Real reality.
I woke up years ago
@@engleblerthumferlumpadinck6536 When I typed in the word "drum" the emoji pop up so I just left it there.
Michael does rock. Thank God for him.
Duration: 9:11?
Well played, mike, well played...
Go michael someone not put under a spell by the us war machine!
thank heavens for Michael Moore's gift of unvarnished TRUTH- thank you-
Great news reporting. In light of the Afghanistan crisis, this clip has become ever more apt.
It may not be as simple as Michael says. We don't help every country that is threatening the world. It is good to be skeptical about things, but not assuming conspiracy theories about everything. Not trusting is not a healthy emotion. Brave man, talking about the evils of the military-industrial complex.
Michael Moore is my hero.
LONG LIVE PIERS MORGAN! LONG LIVE MICHAEL MOORE! At least these guys have brains, are realists, and have the guts and compassion to face the real issues!
Arrest Bush.
Spot on
God bless all those people soul.
And god bless minister louis farrahkan.
Quick: When has a country with chemical or nuclear weapons of mass destruction ever been invaded?
That’s the question I had leading up to the war.
Which band was that.?..I don't recall.
Someone that tells the truth.
Wow - good two-sided convo, gentlemen. You called a lot to light in a short time.
To note, a Cdn band went through similar to what the Dixie Chicks did.. they were on their way up - opened for the Stones, toured w/ZZ Top, got the major label contract, etc.
Fresh after the 9-11 tragedy, one of the members made a remark on how the US hadn't been friends to all (it was along that line). That remark went to print and *poof* the corporate backing of the band disappeared.
Exactly!!! This whole thing is was sprung up from Nixon and Kissinger!! No one wants to talk about that either!!
thank you
maybe so,,( which one).? but do you get what they say??? or is your understanding not up to parr.?
Welcome back Michael Moore.....
I complrely agree with this idea.
A video that is 9:11 long
Romney was determined to destroy the affordable care act, SS and Medicare. We would never have gotten a raise in minimum wage, whereas now if we can take back the House in 2014, at least there's hope.
video duration: 9:11
As a disable vet I know the war was a way to get oil. If we had not done that our gas price would be worst than England. My best guess would be 8.00 a gallon. So was it worth it to leave vets like me totally disabled for the rest of my life?
As a brit I apologise for piers Morgan, we don't want him either
Geez what happen to P.M
prosecute them and let the chips fall where they may! I would pay big money on cable TV to watch geroge and Dick prosecuted! Big ratings...they would be like little babies for sure! Its a sad joke!
Someone who has lied to you before: Michael Moore...
except when he doesn't... Bowling for Columbine, Ferenheit 911 and sicko were proved to be filled with lies and editing tricks, nes pas?
C Kathol list 1 lie M Moore will pay you $10,000.oo
General and NATO Chief Commander Wesley Clarke Ret., he said he was visiting Rummy, in the mid-90's &, after the meeting, a Pentagon Assistent came up to him and showed him, a then classified document, ( the general asked why he was showing it, thus, too,) to him. On the document were a list of about 9 nations, BEFORE 911, that the PNAC NeoCon crowd thinktanks had made for the PNAC in MidEast. The implied message, to him, he says, is that it is ALL PLANNED IN ADVANCE, like a mere game of Chess.
No, it's not simple the details of corruption and deception to understand but, not trusting liars is a healthy reasoning,not mere emotion. It is liars who want to press your emotional buttons and needs, to manipulate you into their own private agendae. It's not healthy to be duped, and re-schnookered over and over; to go to unjust, undeclared wars, for vague and undefined. ( to most but, maybe themselves,) wars.
that is insane-naive trustingness, not healthy trust.
But, M Moore also pointed out:
C Taylor IS ON THE PAYROLL! I am sure of it man.
May Allah bless you. U got a clean heart Moore.
Investigate 9/11, research the Gulf of Tonkin incident and research Operation Northwoods.
With all due respect to MM, THE greatest lie has been the idea of 'god' and the advancement of religion.
I only wish that Mr. Moore would apply the same reason to his religious belief that he applies to other issues.
It would give him a greater perspective on the 'why' questions.
how?
How was 2 trillion spent on Iraq War and 2 trillion spent on Afghanistan? There were so many little wars too.
There is never any mention that the first thing Bush said to his staff was "when are we invading Iraq?" It is clear that Bush wished that his father had gone on to remove Saddam in 1991 to which he said that if he was in his fathers position he would have. Wouldn't you have wanted Saddam removed in 1991 if you knew then what you did now.
then why not free north korea? why iraq? i mean there are some dictators being a lot worse than saddam! it was never about removing a dictator.
what i want to tell you: it was definitively NOT IMPOSSIBLE to tell if saddam had WMD's in 2003. most of the countries and secret services around the world inculding the UN knew there were no WMD's. i think it is rather strange that the CIA really thought he had WMD's, since they are not stupid, and usually very good informed, at least they always know as much as the french know... so you cannot deny that it is possible they lied to get their so long wanted war.
I am confused? Obama intentionally choose not to prosecute or execute Bush and other war criminals. He literally said he wanted to. "move forward". That is actually a great point. Especially in light of this video. Ty - I am going to post this.
I cannot say there were no WMDs in Iraq with CERTAINTY as I would not be surprised if a number of chemical weapons were found in some offshoot place in Iraq. However, he definitely did not posses nuclear wmds and given the lack off evidence we now can say that there were no chemical weapons or any other WMD's as of 2003, upon the US invasion. I think in your question you mean he definitely did not have WMD's in 2003, as Iraq definitely has possessed WMD's in a period before 2003.
40 countries intelligence services around the world believed he had those weapons.
Moore was wrong about saying everyone knew they were not there.
Im not for or against Bush - Im just trying to state the fact on this point.
and here we go again...again!
I agree, he could live a more modest life style. Ironic that as his work earned him so much that it has but him in the same income bracket as some of those he criticizes. However, has he treated those who helped to make him rich unfairly? Did Michael Moore use cheap foreign labor to produce his work, or did he keep production in the U.S. and pay union wages? I think there is a big difference between Michael Moore and people like Roger B. Smith.
yea that's why the American government admitted after the invasion that Iraq had no nuclear weapons. Think before you comment
BTW the US already has a large Nuclear arsenal which it has only ever used once. It acquired many of it's weapons prior to the signing of the Nuclear non-proliferation treaty which entails to stop the spread of nuclear weapons. Also the US stockpile is well secured and unlikely to be used unless in a very dire situation. If Iraq acquired WMDs as Iran is trying to do and Pakistan already has, the weapons could easily fall into the wrong hands if you didn't think they were already in such hands.
+loulum why don't you like Moore?
lol piers changes the topic when the topic of military embedded journalist in MSM is brought up 8:03 -8 :20
In 2003 it was impossible to tell whether Saddam did still have WMD's or not. Yes it turned out that those were right that said there were no WMD's in 2003. Now I do not know whether Bushes interpretation of the faulty information in 2003 was genuine as I have never met him, let alone talked to him behind closed doors and asked him what he thought of the information. The CIA could have made an error just as the FBI had when deciding Tamerlan Tsarnaev's fate after being warned by Russia.
I have never said I support the US giving him weapons and I oppose it. Reagan gave Iraq weapons to carry out It's war with Iran. It was illegal as were a number of Reagan other acts. It was not right 100%. But Saddam did want more than what the US gave him, and did attempt to develop these weapons which included nuclear devices. Also when a different administration comes along and decides to do the right thing I am not going to oppose the act, even if some of the actors are hypocrites.
It is speculation whether George Bush believed that there were WMD's in iraq or not. Iraq did have chemical weapons which could be considered WMD's and they also, pre-Gulf War, had advanced biological and nuclear capabilities before the removed fordefully in 1991. However, even if he did lie that does not mean that you live in the same society as 1984 and the fact you are able to write and say what you wrote is an indication of how different a society you live in to that of Winston Smiths.
Video is 9:11 long :) ha !!
what I don't understand, why obama didn't go after assad as he went for kaddafi
The ones still walking are the same ones that took out the others you mentioned.
The howard stern plan would solve all these problems in the middle east.
Sounds spooky 😨
michael moore on the money again.
As for my sentence it is only speculation as to whether George Bush believed Saddam had WMD's, he was given intelligence that suggested they did have them even though these sources turned out to be either corrupted incompetent. Chemical weapons do class as WMDs and Saddam had a lot prior to 1991. When the US destroyed most of his weapons thousands of tonnes of weapons were still missing and Saddam said that he had already disposed of them. Easy to see why Bush may have believed they had WMD's.
DONT MESS WITH BIG MIKE…😝
Not quite solid enough to say someone said it, I remember in primary school someone told me that a mate of mine liked to pick his nose... turns out he actually didn't. You will need to give me the link where you obtained your information before you have any hope of being believed.
only because they were against saddam doesn't mean they wanted democracy. thats what your american tv shows you, people tearing down saddam statues. yeash, that must be the prove they wanted democracy...
okay i see, but why not believe the french intelligence a little more? and the russian who said there were no WMD's. i mean in a sitaution like this america could have at least checked their version up!
2 point trillion dollars.
Also if you believe that Iraq should have nuclear weapons based on the childish thought that "the US has them so why cant they" is an embarrassing point to have to argue. Saddam once said to one of his officials that he should not have invaded Kuwait before acquiring nuclear weapons. Any guess why? Because he either wanted to use them or threaten to use them. If you truly believe this man should have been allowed nuclear weapons it is clear why you are not in charge of US foreign policy.
..and, that is an appointment at the moment of death: they, all humans, have to keep, whether they like it or not, were rich, powerful or poor, powerless or even destitute and forgotten by the world dying at 8 years of age in Ethiopia or some other forsaken place, like Ruwanda, Iraq, Libya, and, now Syria where both sides are recruiting guess who? Children to fight for them! Little martyrs: little victims of 'adults,' around them.
Adults or fwuppin' assholes? One might ask?
And, it's not like..
OK people why don't we try this new thing out called reason its where instead of just being driven by irrational blind emotion you actually use your brain as-well, its where you listen to someone, take in what they have to say, then look at the facts and then make a decision about what you think based on the facts, you should try it sometime
Pierze Mustapha Morgan not only has that British accent, but that squeeky voice unsuited for broadcasting. Why so many of these squeek-voices are in the biz?
Piers, it's a case of Cry Wolfbliztowitz! Simple really.
america should just not stick there nose into other countries buisness
no one will attack there guest because then nobody famous will come on there show
Hey Mikey, you have been taking my emails to heart have you?
Did the little story do it for you?
I do not hate a murderer, based on the act, it can be justified homicide.
I do not hate the accused rapist, it can be a setup.
I do not hate the thief, he may be feeding hungry kids.
I DO HATE THE LIARS. They are trying to steal the most valuable thing you have, your trust. There is no excuse for the liar.
Did that do it Mikey?
AAA+++Bedford, Texas
can you at least admit there were definitively no WMD's in iraq?
The majority of Iraqis were opposed to Saddam Hussein even for those who were in no way politically motivated the majority of Iraqis are shia muslim and Saddam was a sunni muslim who was much kinder to the sunni minority. The majority did want democracy and the fact you argue against it demonstrates your ignorance of the facts.
I thought that this video was about Hillary Clinton...
Michael Moore actually has a conscious? I guess he isn't the Goblin king after all lol.
Fine, I'll have to go back and check who exactly it was on Bush's staff that said that, but I know it was someone credible. Nice, your insulting little analogy.
I am not too sure how you know that, were you a member of his general staff? I am afraid you make a rather extra-ordinary claim that needs to be backed up or else you look like someone who has very little knowledge of foreign policy analysis and the power of the executive in a presidential system.
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btw: what if the majority of people in a country DO NOT WANT a secular democracy? ever thought about that? you talk about imposing democracy to iraq as it was a good thing and as if the world should thank america for that. well, they did not want democracy, in fact most of the arabic countries whis an islamic republic based on sharia law. that's what these people want, so why imposing on them something like democracy that they do not want. that's called dictating sthing on somebody.
You know what logic is, you know what a fallacy is, you've heard the words Michael Moore had to say - was there any logic that he stated that you thought was correct? That might narrow this down a lot more.
And the Obama crime gang. And the Military industrial complex gang.
this sentence of yours "It is speculation whether George Bush believed that there were WMD's in iraq or not."
ARE YOU REALLY BELIEVING THAT? cause a 4 year old child would not be as naive as you are.
You should have chosen not to reply. What an embarrassing way to end an argument. You know little of my politics only that I support the Iraq war. To say that I am a corporate drone would actually result in laughter from those who actually know my socio-economic views.
lol...ha ha ha... no it doesn't... that is not a law of physics.
You get the government you deserve. The American people, people in the west generally (including myself) can blame themselves for these wrongs. Get of youtube and start taking a real interest in your own affairs.
Learn to write a coherent sentence before you go calling people idiots. Get a dictionary and look up "coherent."
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