@@Xenos369I’d say it’s probably Renna as the third sister, cause you’d have one of them devoted to the Full Moon one devoted to the Dark Moon and one dedicated to both which is probably why the Carians were so strong two avatars of celestial bodies and a mediator in Rellana to keep both focused
@@Xenos369 I’m gonna guess when Rellana left with Messmer to the Lands of Shadow never to be seen again Rennala and Renna had a falling out without there twin moon anchor but Renna still cared enough to teach Ranni in secret as the Snowy Crone / Snow Witch
Both sisters are really huge simps who can throw everything away for the sake of love. Rennala gets heartbroken to the point completely ignoring outside world while caressing the Amber Egg gifted by Radagon, while Rellana abandons her homeland to go on an endless conquest with Messmer.
Same. Took me 6 tries the first time and I enjoyed it. Maybe because I had a different method than the usual close-combat style of fighting? I still enjoyed fighting her on the 2nd playthrough.
Everyone saying there tired of the incest, the characters don’t know that they’re technically blood relatives it’s all been kept a secret. Miquella is from my viewpoint the only Demi god who knew that radagon was marika and therefore that Radahn is is brother
Messmer: We will Impale the Wretched, horned fowl beings who roam this land….& make camp to that large castle over there…… Rellana: What I’d give to get Impaled by your “spear” Messmer: What? Rellana: I said I can see the castle from here.
I don't think that Rellana was allied to Messmer out of affection. At least, not originally. I think she joined him in order to hasten the wars conclusion of the War. She knew that Messmer would never stop, and that his path from the Shadow Keep would take him by Castle Ensis, en route to Enir-ilim. She may have joined as a means of protecting her people.
@@benc8066 Yea but like, who isn't in the grand scheme of the order? Is the better choice the guy who wears clothes or the guy who wins against the guy who wears clothes?
as a player I know Ranni has the finest taste, I mean who in lands between would deny a warrior that killed demigods, gods and all other heavy hitters probably the most powerful beings in the lands between alone? she is securing protection to her throne, a great power in her side if needed to invade and probably a strong being who can use powers of dragon, can use most spells, incantations, weapons, jack and master of all.
The thing is, even if he did (and there's nothing to suggest that, as far as I'm concerned) we are explicitly told that Rellana (and the rest of Messmer's inner circle) "weren't enough to grant him succor". There's a twisted irony to the Carian Princesses, with both sisters being unable to live happily with the men they loved because of Marika- albeit in different ways. For Rennala it's rather straightforward- Radagon left her and their children to marry Marika. For Rellana, Marika's scorn and abandonment filled Messmer's heart with so much pain, bitterness and anger, that even when he had a found family in his loyal comrades there wasn't enough space left in it for their love to soothe it. And that's the biggest tragedy about Messmer I think, that he truly *was* loved, but that his mother's cruelty broke him so thoroughly that even when he finds it in other people, it's like all he can do is mourn the absence of Marika's love. And because of that he still continually chooses to become a villain at her behest, even when we see glimpses of the once noble person Radahn saw in him. You get the sense he could easily begin a redemption, except he constantly chooses not to because he just can't or won't move on from this anger and pain.
He could’ve rejected her, he could have reciprocated her feelings🤷♀️ Though I too, think he just wasn’t feeling it. I mean given the item descriptions of her swords and such , it alludes to things bejng one sided. Not to mention how non of Messmer’s item descriptions mention his opinion/feelings on her, unlike Rellana’s where it would hint to how she was obsessed with him. Key words like “Chase” and “Followed” in her descriptions also kinda insinuate that she was locked in this “chase” for his affection - which he never gave back. Though one might argue that him giving her a sword was a romantic gesture, Messmer gifted all who served him his flame. The sword he gifted her was probably a token of his appreciation. But the funny thing about some of Elden Ring’s lore, is that it is kind of vague , therefore that you can interpret it in different ways/how you see fit. So while you may believe he didn’t, someone may believe he did love her. And there’s no right or wrong answer really .
@@PaperSkyeess That's fair, I just can't imagine Messmer was really... developed enough in that manner to even consider romance. I feel that his duty came first and foremost. I don't even think he knew about her feelings, as he had a lot of people who followed him loyally to the end, deserting their noble lineage for him. Many items imply it was a common occurance; I think that the mix of performing the horrific acts he did & the level of depressive state we find him in when we fight him is a hint of his true mental state. I don't think he ever saw anything other than his duty, and his pure despair at being abandoned by his mother despite doing everything for her. Kinda freudian, in a way. From everything I read, I just don't believe he had the mental 'room' to pursue romance, or even consider it as a possibility. There are a LOT of themes of obsession in the DLC, but going into that would take up more than 10 paragraphs. Messmer's obsession with his abandonment, Rellana's obsession with Messmer, Romina's obsession with the fall of her church, Midra's obsession with enduring, the whole finger church questline & the obsession with bringing back the dead/turning into a 'mother', Miquella's obsession with his consort, Marika's obsession with revenge, the Hornsent's obsession with revenge a direct parallel. Obsession runs deep.
@@chiefpurrfect8389 I wish he could've taken on a Rennala-like role in the game; that we could've helped him, or absconded him in a way. I feel we were robbed in that sense, that we could've had a lot of endings in the DLC/new endings in the main story. Still a 10/10, just... sad we didn't get any kind of 'choice' or really affected the world in any way but one.
They are following the “lunacy” and love theme with the carian family. That seems to be the consistent theme. Renella for radagon, rellana for mesmer, ranni with herself, radahan with Godwyn/radagon.
I fought mimic tear with Rellana's swords and because I have the swords in my left hand 1st slot, with Sword of Night and Flame in my first slot right hand. Mimic tear believed that the main sword of the dual set existed so he switched to Night and Flame two handed, but would occasionally one hand and never attempt to left hand. Bit of thought in case you wanted to fight mimic tear, or use mimic tear with these swords.
In human history before the study of genetics existed. It was common for royalty to marry with in the family to keep royal bloodline pure. It was also a diplomatic tool used for forming alliances between countries.
well actually Radagon and Marika are same so basically the children Miqella, Malenia and Mesmer are just some cursed part of Marika herself. In, being a god, Marika wanted to conquer the entire lands between, including Land of Reeds, Mountaintops and all other to assist her in that path she created another version of herself; Radagon a warrior in conquest to win everything untill he met Rennala and eventually Marika met Hoarah Loux. and I suppose that's why we know what Radagon did, we know his presence but not his history, like his origin, birthplace, race or anything. and Ranni being an emperyian makes more sense as she is in way descendant of Marika.
Seems like Carian simps red haired always unreturned...💔 I'm glad Ranni chosen a outer space alien, not a red haired heart breaker...😂 truely breaking their family curse
So, what is your evidence that Messmer is Radagon's son? That he has red hair? Because considering that Rennala was not consumed by despair, evidenced by the gifts she gave Rellana, it seems more likely that Messmer is Godfrey's son.
Tbh so far only Godwyn the golden seems to be godfreys son , everyone else is cursed and red hair is pretty much radagon, you get his matrimonial sword from a red headed misbegotten too , red wolf of radagon etc etc
@@Saren_5 It requires more than what we see from her in game at least. But I suppose you could argue it was Ranni's 'death' that pushed her over the edge into full blown collapse. The Red Hair originates from a curse, not from genetics, so that complicates matters. And if Godfrey is exiled right after the giants are killed, then likely Godwyn, Morgott, and Morg would've already been born by then, so they wouldn't get hit by the curse. Good point about the tarnished though. Really, this timeline is a mess. Because I think we get lore that implies that Messmer grew up with Radahn.
@@Saren_5 We see blonde once, with Godwyn the golden and we don't even see him. You are right, every other demigod it is very clear and explicit who their parents are. The game flat out tells us who the parents are. Except for Messmer and Melina. Those two don't follow that rule. We don't know where they come from. Just that Marika is their mother. And a timeline that doesn't make sense. Because Messmer was born before Radahn. So either Radagon was cheating on Rennala, which is possible, or Messmer is either Godfrey's child, or an unnamed third person.
Imagine hearing that your younger sister has a crush on your stepson
I thought Rellana was the oldest
Typical GRRM writing lol
@@Moak19between this and the radahn bs i am so done with fromsoft ☠️
@@JOS1EWALES rellana is the younger one between her and rennala
@@zachwarren280PFFFT LOOL
You could say that Rellana got messmerized by Messmer
Well he is carrying a massive snake 😂 🐍
@@codyjames4814And balls as big as her twin moons
@@codyjames4814 I was about to say boooo but thought twice. Clever clever. 10/10
I understand her 😔
(18 inches 😈)
@@codyjames4814 TOGETHAAAA!
right before her bossroom we see a room with three thrones.
I believe those 3 are for messmer, rellana and gaius.
Huh… kinda parallels to Rykard, Renalla, and Radahn
@@Xenos369Nah, Selen isn't
@@Xenos369I’d say it’s probably Renna as the third sister, cause you’d have one of them devoted to the Full Moon one devoted to the Dark Moon and one dedicated to both which is probably why the Carians were so strong two avatars of celestial bodies and a mediator in Rellana to keep both focused
@@Xenos369 I’m gonna guess when Rellana left with Messmer to the Lands of Shadow never to be seen again Rennala and Renna had a falling out without there twin moon anchor but Renna still cared enough to teach Ranni in secret as the Snowy Crone / Snow Witch
My guess was they were for rellana renalla and renna
Carian royalty must really have a thing for redheads.
I gave my character crimson red hair and did ranni’s ending
@@Eidolon5150 Ranni hated her own red hair too like Radagon
Turns out, I might be Carian royalty.
Both sisters are really huge simps who can throw everything away for the sake of love. Rennala gets heartbroken to the point completely ignoring outside world while caressing the Amber Egg gifted by Radagon, while Rellana abandons her homeland to go on an endless conquest with Messmer.
To be honest, that’s a pretty accurate summary of what love does to people everyday.
What does simp mean? Is that short for the Simpsons?
@@and8091 short for simpleton
A lot of people hate this fight, but me, I absolutely loved it. Fighting her was like a dance. Probably 2nd fave fight after Bayle.
Me as well, she's perfect
I will say her combos are not nearly as brutal as people say. As they often pause between combos.
Same. Took me 6 tries the first time and I enjoyed it. Maybe because I had a different method than the usual close-combat style of fighting? I still enjoyed fighting her on the 2nd playthrough.
Best boss in the game.
Everyone saying there tired of the incest, the characters don’t know that they’re technically blood relatives it’s all been kept a secret. Miquella is from my viewpoint the only Demi god who knew that radagon was marika and therefore that Radahn is is brother
One theory I've seen going around is that Miquella didn't[ want him as consort for romantic reasons, but as a bodyguard of sorts
none of it is incest anyway, they don't want to be in a romantic relationship or anything it's basically the same as political marriage..
I mean, even if he didn't know that Radagon was Marika that would still be incest. Radagon is both Miquella and Radahn's father.
People act like royalty didn’t inbreed. Idk why there’s confusion or tired of something that actually makes sense in royalty history.
@djbardwell2815 it's not like they're inbreeding anyway bruh 😭
Wait so what im hearing is Rallana is in love with her sisters husbands kid💀🙏
Nah, Messmer isn’t Renalla’s son
Radigon isn't blood related to Rallana Ironically , this is the only members of the family that I aren't related
@@sentientmustache8360 So she's in love with radagons kid
@@voidTheBoy7409 yes.
This was before Radagon married Rennala tho, that's not incest
Messmer: We will Impale the Wretched, horned fowl beings who roam this land….& make camp to that large castle over there……
Rellana: What I’d give to get Impaled by your “spear”
Messmer: What?
Rellana: I said I can see the castle from here.
So basically Rellana is Messmers step aunt that is in love with him....cool
I don't think that Rellana was allied to Messmer out of affection. At least, not originally.
I think she joined him in order to hasten the wars conclusion of the War. She knew that Messmer would never stop, and that his path from the Shadow Keep would take him by Castle Ensis, en route to Enir-ilim. She may have joined as a means of protecting her people.
messmer’s mommy issues were so bad that he denied a badass warrior princess 😂
Rellana likes that raw badboy edge that is Messmer
Rellana 🤝 Rennala 🤝 Ranni - Bad taste in consorts
Isn't Ranni's "taste in consorts" the player?
@@bigchungus6827the player is a mass murderer that more often than not runs around naked
@@benc8066 Yea but like, who isn't in the grand scheme of the order? Is the better choice the guy who wears clothes or the guy who wins against the guy who wears clothes?
Consort doesn't have to mean husband or wife in elden ring. It could be a political union or strategic
as a player I know Ranni has the finest taste, I mean who in lands between would deny a warrior that killed demigods, gods and all other heavy hitters probably the most powerful beings in the lands between alone? she is securing protection to her throne, a great power in her side if needed to invade and probably a strong being who can use powers of dragon, can use most spells, incantations, weapons, jack and master of all.
I'm pretty sure Messmer didn't return her feelings.
The thing is, even if he did (and there's nothing to suggest that, as far as I'm concerned) we are explicitly told that Rellana (and the rest of Messmer's inner circle) "weren't enough to grant him succor". There's a twisted irony to the Carian Princesses, with both sisters being unable to live happily with the men they loved because of Marika- albeit in different ways. For Rennala it's rather straightforward- Radagon left her and their children to marry Marika. For Rellana, Marika's scorn and abandonment filled Messmer's heart with so much pain, bitterness and anger, that even when he had a found family in his loyal comrades there wasn't enough space left in it for their love to soothe it.
And that's the biggest tragedy about Messmer I think, that he truly *was* loved, but that his mother's cruelty broke him so thoroughly that even when he finds it in other people, it's like all he can do is mourn the absence of Marika's love. And because of that he still continually chooses to become a villain at her behest, even when we see glimpses of the once noble person Radahn saw in him. You get the sense he could easily begin a redemption, except he constantly chooses not to because he just can't or won't move on from this anger and pain.
I wanted Messmer to feel loved :(
He could’ve rejected her, he could have reciprocated her feelings🤷♀️ Though I too, think he just wasn’t feeling it. I mean given the item descriptions of her swords and such , it alludes to things bejng one sided. Not to mention how non of Messmer’s item descriptions mention his opinion/feelings on her, unlike Rellana’s where it would hint to how she was obsessed with him.
Key words like “Chase” and “Followed” in her descriptions also kinda insinuate that she was locked in this “chase” for his affection - which he never gave back.
Though one might argue that him giving her a sword was a romantic gesture, Messmer gifted all who served him his flame. The sword he gifted her was probably a token of his appreciation.
But the funny thing about some of Elden Ring’s lore, is that it is kind of vague , therefore that you can interpret it in different ways/how you see fit. So while you may believe he didn’t, someone may believe he did love her. And there’s no right or wrong answer really .
@@PaperSkyeess That's fair, I just can't imagine Messmer was really... developed enough in that manner to even consider romance.
I feel that his duty came first and foremost. I don't even think he knew about her feelings, as he had a lot of people who followed him loyally to the end, deserting their noble lineage for him. Many items imply it was a common occurance; I think that the mix of performing the horrific acts he did & the level of depressive state we find him in when we fight him is a hint of his true mental state. I don't think he ever saw anything other than his duty, and his pure despair at being abandoned by his mother despite doing everything for her.
Kinda freudian, in a way. From everything I read, I just don't believe he had the mental 'room' to pursue romance, or even consider it as a possibility.
There are a LOT of themes of obsession in the DLC, but going into that would take up more than 10 paragraphs. Messmer's obsession with his abandonment, Rellana's obsession with Messmer, Romina's obsession with the fall of her church, Midra's obsession with enduring, the whole finger church questline & the obsession with bringing back the dead/turning into a 'mother', Miquella's obsession with his consort, Marika's obsession with revenge, the Hornsent's obsession with revenge a direct parallel.
Obsession runs deep.
@@chiefpurrfect8389 I wish he could've taken on a Rennala-like role in the game; that we could've helped him, or absconded him in a way. I feel we were robbed in that sense, that we could've had a lot of endings in the DLC/new endings in the main story.
Still a 10/10, just... sad we didn't get any kind of 'choice' or really affected the world in any way but one.
So from what I can tell these 2 are only members of this family who weren't blood related and one is in love with the other.
This is correct. Renalla/rellana was not related to radagon/marika
Your narration is great.
She wanted to get impaled by Mesmer
They are following the “lunacy” and love theme with the carian family. That seems to be the consistent theme. Renella for radagon, rellana for mesmer, ranni with herself, radahan with Godwyn/radagon.
hope you can grab some of the dlc voice actors, they did an amazing job, especially for first time voice acting!
I fought mimic tear with Rellana's swords and because I have the swords in my left hand 1st slot, with Sword of Night and Flame in my first slot right hand. Mimic tear believed that the main sword of the dual set existed so he switched to Night and Flame two handed, but would occasionally one hand and never attempt to left hand.
Bit of thought in case you wanted to fight mimic tear, or use mimic tear with these swords.
Loving these lore videos
Rellana: 'I can fix him' 😭
In the game, almost every name begins with an R.. in GOT HOD almost every name starts with A.
In the game all the main people start with G R or M…. Hence George R R Martin
so messy gave her the fire stick and she stayed
Bro absolutely milked that last minute 😂 great video
All cool villains have their own simp.
In human history before the study of genetics existed. It was common for royalty to marry with in the family to keep royal bloodline pure. It was also a diplomatic tool used for forming alliances between countries.
Please drop a video about Messmer his lore is so good and your storytelling is incredible I really wanna see a video about him made by you😭
Thank you bro I’m currently working on it 👍
Loved the video but you keep saying Rennalas name wrong and it for some reason drove me crazy, they even pronounce it in game a few times too! 😂
I wish there was a bit more lore or least have a small bit of dialogue of Renalla talking about her sister after we beat her.
Do you think renalla in the liurnian war wore an armor like her sister ?
well actually Radagon and Marika are same so basically the children Miqella, Malenia and Mesmer are just some cursed part of Marika herself. In, being a god, Marika wanted to conquer the entire lands between, including Land of Reeds, Mountaintops and all other to assist her in that path she created another version of herself; Radagon a warrior in conquest to win everything untill he met Rennala and eventually Marika met Hoarah Loux. and I suppose that's why we know what Radagon did, we know his presence but not his history, like his origin, birthplace, race or anything. and Ranni being an emperyian makes more sense as she is in way descendant of Marika.
nah Rellana is just Pontiffs lost sister
I haven't even beaten the Elden Beast yet bro :(
Love this boss, design, moves and magic probably a my most favorite boss from elden ring female Pontif Sulyvahn 😅
As messmer, let me just say that i am not in love with rellana. She is my....uh...ah..business partner...😅
LORD MESSMER, ANOTHER TARNISHED IS BARRELLING TOWARDS THE SECOND MOON
Why no one mentioning they might be married??? Why?
Help me step-impaler
kinda sad never see her face
Cmon dude. Its Re-nah-lah. Not Ren-ala. Have you played the game?
For real
I thought it was Leviosa.
Seems like Carian simps red haired always unreturned...💔
I'm glad Ranni chosen a outer space alien, not a red haired heart breaker...😂 truely breaking their family curse
Do you stop being a princess when you leave?
She joined the erdtree, that’s why she stop being a princess
rennala Ren NALA, and her sister Rellana saying the name backwards 😊
I’m kinda getting tired of the incest in this game
More like Miquella mind raping everyone
Welcome to GRRM world 😂
Wait till you finds about the real world
They are not related.
its ltierally the one non incestuos relationship besides radagon and renala lol
So, what is your evidence that Messmer is Radagon's son? That he has red hair? Because considering that Rennala was not consumed by despair, evidenced by the gifts she gave Rellana, it seems more likely that Messmer is Godfrey's son.
Tbh so far only Godwyn the golden seems to be godfreys son , everyone else is cursed and red hair is pretty much radagon, you get his matrimonial sword from a red headed misbegotten too , red wolf of radagon etc etc
@@Saren_5 It requires more than what we see from her in game at least. But I suppose you could argue it was Ranni's 'death' that pushed her over the edge into full blown collapse.
The Red Hair originates from a curse, not from genetics, so that complicates matters. And if Godfrey is exiled right after the giants are killed, then likely Godwyn, Morgott, and Morg would've already been born by then, so they wouldn't get hit by the curse.
Good point about the tarnished though. Really, this timeline is a mess. Because I think we get lore that implies that Messmer grew up with Radahn.
@@Saren_5 We see blonde once, with Godwyn the golden and we don't even see him.
You are right, every other demigod it is very clear and explicit who their parents are. The game flat out tells us who the parents are. Except for Messmer and Melina.
Those two don't follow that rule. We don't know where they come from. Just that Marika is their mother. And a timeline that doesn't make sense. Because Messmer was born before Radahn. So either Radagon was cheating on Rennala, which is possible, or Messmer is either Godfrey's child, or an unnamed third person.