How do you convince others to "love reason giving"? It is awfully hard to convince anyone of loving anything these days in our society, because everyone has their own preconceived notions, and they can't possibly change their mind. As if changing one's mind about something after receiving more information is a bad thing. By the way, the scientific method is based on forming hypotheses and testing them. If a test demonstrates a hypothesis is wrong, you must change the hypothesis! I really thought that Ameticans could agree on loving democracy and the US Constitution, but even that seems to be a bridge too far.
Great points and hard question. Yeah, C.S. Peirce (the American Pragmatist) actually names "science" as the method of "fixing belief" in responsible ways. His idea is that the experimental method of science and the epistemic notion of reason-giving in philosophy are just two ways of referring to the notion that we should care about good evidence for the beliefs that we hold. As for how to encourage such things, I actually think that there are likely going to be a variety of strategies for different circumstances. So, in some cases, go biking or play pool or join a book group with other folks - humanizing each other is an important step toward being able to participate in discourse. In other cases, being willing to receive criticism in order to model it for others is crucial. And yet, in still other cases, acknowledging the difficulty of these very efforts can break down barriers as we share in the reality of humility. Yes, it is so very hard. Yes, despair threatens. But, all we can do is what we can do. So I figure we should do our best to do that. In hope and solidarity (though without much optimism) . . .
@@nataschajordan6053 agreed. Sadly what we term “debate” is just pseudo argument in the mode of political theatre. It is frustrating when our “models” are not guided by truth and virtue but winning. Plato actually also warns against the problems when rhetoric gets separated from philosophical wisdom.
How do you convince others to "love reason giving"?
It is awfully hard to convince anyone of loving anything these days in our society, because everyone has their own preconceived notions, and they can't possibly change their mind. As if changing one's mind about something after receiving more information is a bad thing. By the way, the scientific method is based on forming hypotheses and testing them. If a test demonstrates a hypothesis is wrong, you must change the hypothesis!
I really thought that Ameticans could agree on loving democracy and the US Constitution, but even that seems to be a bridge too far.
Great points and hard question. Yeah, C.S. Peirce (the American Pragmatist) actually names "science" as the method of "fixing belief" in responsible ways. His idea is that the experimental method of science and the epistemic notion of reason-giving in philosophy are just two ways of referring to the notion that we should care about good evidence for the beliefs that we hold. As for how to encourage such things, I actually think that there are likely going to be a variety of strategies for different circumstances. So, in some cases, go biking or play pool or join a book group with other folks - humanizing each other is an important step toward being able to participate in discourse. In other cases, being willing to receive criticism in order to model it for others is crucial. And yet, in still other cases, acknowledging the difficulty of these very efforts can break down barriers as we share in the reality of humility. Yes, it is so very hard. Yes, despair threatens. But, all we can do is what we can do. So I figure we should do our best to do that. In hope and solidarity (though without much optimism) . . .
throwing shit around, lying and feely-feely isnt "having a debate" at all.
@@nataschajordan6053 agreed. Sadly what we term “debate” is just pseudo argument in the mode of political theatre. It is frustrating when our “models” are not guided by truth and virtue but winning. Plato actually also warns against the problems when rhetoric gets separated from philosophical wisdom.
If you pronounce Plato as if it were Playdough, I'm not going to take you seriously. Sorry.
@@cacambo589 well, at least your discursive priorities are in the right place.