Don't know why it hit me so hard, but the idea of The Doctor never forgetting Jackie and getting River to go and check in on her is actually really touching
I always wondered why they couldn't get the rights to any of Rivers themes from the actual show. Would've been icing on the cake for moments like this! River Song and the 8th/War Doctor Time War audios are the favorite "canon" fill-in episodes to listen too lately while at work.
I'd assume mainly that they want to focus on creating their own themes, though I find it odd how so many scenes lack music where it would have been most appropriate. As far as using existing scores goes, excluding theme tunes, I believe Owen and Jack's themes from Torchwood are the only pieces from Murray Gold they've used, on other occasions there's music inspired by other themes in a different arrangement.
Great use of the score! I still love the moment when the mother of the Doctor's current crush (who is definitely in love with him) realizes the woman she spent the day with is actually the Doctor's future wife. 😂😂😂
Thank you! I'm grateful that there are scenes like this with no music, it makes my job so much easier haha. I agree about the dynamics too, their meeting in the Lives of Captain Jack vol 3 was all too brief, so I'm glad they had a proper adventure together.
Used to think the same way, but then I realised that if the TARDIS were given such strict and powerful rules regarding time travel, there wouldn't be much weight to any of the stories. A mess-up happens, then no worries, just travel back to mend it. Even so, the logic for Amy and Rory is that Amy willingly was touched by the Angel to be with Rory, and Rory only ended up being sent back in time because he saw his own gravestone, etched with his age. It had "already happened", so to speak, because he witnessed the aftereffects of it before it had happened for him. It became etched in stone; if the Doctor went back in time to bring them back, he'd be interfering with the gravestone being there and thus being the cause of them being sent back in time. If he rescued them, there'd be no gravestone, no being sent back in time, and thus no reason for him to have rescued them in the first place. It's a grandfather paradox.
@@HerohammerStudios I think it was moreless an ironic way to say: In narration, when a scene hits the right notes and feels right for the story, it's more important to keep it the way it is rather than trying to be 100% accurate and logic. That's partially borrowing from the concept of suspension of disbelief. DW isn't fully logic because there's MANY situations for which you could say it doesn't make sense or it's not logic, even for the ones you currently feel are very much logic. It's all about that suspension of disbelief, if the rule of the episode is that grand father paradox is an obstacle then it will be. And it's fine. Because the emotion of the scene and overall episode works, and that's what's important in the end. If you didn't feel any emotion in the scene tho because at the moment you've seen it you were too much concern by the episode internal logic, then it's indeed something the show might have failed to do. I personaly felt that ending was very strong despite the obvious 'lightness' of the (time shenanigan) obstacle. So It's completely okay and I appreciate it, I don't feel the episode feels rushed, weak, or taking me for an idiot, I feel it tried to do a great self contained story and scenes, and that's enough. But every viewer comes with its own expectations here, I'm just trying to give some keys to appreciate it more the way it's intended to be received as.
Moffat didn't wanna kill off Amy and Rory and this is the best he could come up with. Just like he ruined Clara's story. Her death made the episode Heaven Sent very powerful. The Moffat era was frustrating with its time resets and fake deaths. Bill dying could have been a perfect ending too. But he always likes happy finales with magical outcomes where the people are happy forever with immortality or a perfect life . We REALLY need a companion's death in New Who.
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Don't know why it hit me so hard, but the idea of The Doctor never forgetting Jackie and getting River to go and check in on her is actually really touching
I can literally picture Jackie's face on that revelation, this needs to be made into an episode seriously
I always wondered why they couldn't get the rights to any of Rivers themes from the actual show. Would've been icing on the cake for moments like this! River Song and the 8th/War Doctor Time War audios are the favorite "canon" fill-in episodes to listen too lately while at work.
I'd assume mainly that they want to focus on creating their own themes, though I find it odd how so many scenes lack music where it would have been most appropriate. As far as using existing scores goes, excluding theme tunes, I believe Owen and Jack's themes from Torchwood are the only pieces from Murray Gold they've used, on other occasions there's music inspired by other themes in a different arrangement.
Genuinely such a beautiful scene. The music addition in this video really just adds to the emotion of it too. Absolutely fantastic!
Thank you 😁
Great use of the score! I still love the moment when the mother of the Doctor's current crush (who is definitely in love with him) realizes the woman she spent the day with is actually the Doctor's future wife. 😂😂😂
I love this! The music works so well and I love the relationship and dynamics between river and jackie! 😊😊
Thank you! I'm grateful that there are scenes like this with no music, it makes my job so much easier haha. I agree about the dynamics too, their meeting in the Lives of Captain Jack vol 3 was all too brief, so I'm glad they had a proper adventure together.
Cool! River Song and the Krotons.
One big issue. River can visit them whenever she wants. She's the one who goes back and makes Amy publish her book. None of this makes any sense
Wait I don’t get it?
Maybe she finds out that was her last visit with them from one of Amy's books and it becomes fixed.
Yet doesnt ahe see them again once to Tell them to write the farawell chap?ter
It still doesn't make any sense that the Doctor can't ever see them again.
If something in Doctor Who doesn't make sense, then the writers have done their job correctly. Timey Wimey shenanigans and all that jazz.
Used to think the same way, but then I realised that if the TARDIS were given such strict and powerful rules regarding time travel, there wouldn't be much weight to any of the stories. A mess-up happens, then no worries, just travel back to mend it.
Even so, the logic for Amy and Rory is that Amy willingly was touched by the Angel to be with Rory, and Rory only ended up being sent back in time because he saw his own gravestone, etched with his age. It had "already happened", so to speak, because he witnessed the aftereffects of it before it had happened for him.
It became etched in stone; if the Doctor went back in time to bring them back, he'd be interfering with the gravestone being there and thus being the cause of them being sent back in time. If he rescued them, there'd be no gravestone, no being sent back in time, and thus no reason for him to have rescued them in the first place. It's a grandfather paradox.
@@doctorwhorescored3151 that's when they've fucked up. What do you mean? Logic is absolutely a thing in Doctor Who
@@HerohammerStudios I think it was moreless an ironic way to say: In narration, when a scene hits the right notes and feels right for the story, it's more important to keep it the way it is rather than trying to be 100% accurate and logic.
That's partially borrowing from the concept of suspension of disbelief.
DW isn't fully logic because there's MANY situations for which you could say it doesn't make sense or it's not logic, even for the ones you currently feel are very much logic.
It's all about that suspension of disbelief, if the rule of the episode is that grand father paradox is an obstacle then it will be.
And it's fine. Because the emotion of the scene and overall episode works, and that's what's important in the end.
If you didn't feel any emotion in the scene tho because at the moment you've seen it you were too much concern by the episode internal logic, then it's indeed something the show might have failed to do.
I personaly felt that ending was very strong despite the obvious 'lightness' of the (time shenanigan) obstacle. So It's completely okay and I appreciate it, I don't feel the episode feels rushed, weak, or taking me for an idiot, I feel it tried to do a great self contained story and scenes, and that's enough.
But every viewer comes with its own expectations here, I'm just trying to give some keys to appreciate it more the way it's intended to be received as.
Moffat didn't wanna kill off Amy and Rory and this is the best he could come up with. Just like he ruined Clara's story. Her death made the episode Heaven Sent very powerful. The Moffat era was frustrating with its time resets and fake deaths. Bill dying could have been a perfect ending too. But he always likes happy finales with magical outcomes where the people are happy forever with immortality or a perfect life . We REALLY need a companion's death in New Who.
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