Is Master Chief in all 3 Bungie Games!? | Lore and Theory
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- In this episode: We tackle the interesting possibility that 3 of Bungies most popular titles all feature the Master Chief in a single continuity.
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Chief is going to die:
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My favorite concept of the chief "dying" is him founding and running a 5th generation of Spartans, with all the knowledge of the previous generations and his own experience. Essentially taking the place of Halsey and Mendez and correcting the mistakes of the past, creating Spartans that are as human as the 4s and as steadfast as the 2s, genuine heroes created with a conscience. Plus you get to do that Halo 2 style cut scene where chief looks over earth or reach as it's being rebuilt in full dress uniform scars and all, he doesnt just retire but he doesnt just stay in combat forever till he dies.
This would be perfect
Ah,the Big Boss ending
There is no need for Spartan V's, that'd be a waste really. And not sure what you mean by "as human as the 4s and as steadfast as the 2s" since 2's are human plenty already (ignoring 343i's bad lore). Hell, it already didn't make sense how the Spartan IV creation happened, they just gloss over that, but at least it made sense as a new version due to having adult, consenting soldiers, which was all they wanted from it
Hire this man 343i!
@@Freelancer837 I think the IVs were necessary since pretty much all Spartan IIIs were sent on suicide missions. Some were very effective some weren’t, and well oni doesn’t care about life if it serves their purpose. Really only reason I can think of for IVs is that IIIs got a bad reputation so no one wanted to volunteer. I could be wrong though
Edit: Chief beat Locke no problem and we all know this. Locke would’ve been lucky to break chiefs visor and we all know who the one with luck is.
There is another reference to Master Chief in the lore tab of the exotic sidearm Forerunner (Which is itself a reference to the CE Magnum):
"A new chapter for an old legend.
Banshee-44 considered the relic on his workbench and the questions on his mind; one stood out above the rest: who were you meant for?
The form of the weapon suggested an oversized sidearm-a secondary weapon for a giant's hands. The function presented more so as an anti-material rifle. "Looks to be 12.7mm… it's like they were making a hand cannon but didn't know it yet."
Banshee wondered further about the warrior who could wield such a thing. His attention drifted momentarily, drawn by Shaxx's voice booming nearby. "Huh. Yeah. A Titan, maybe… and a big one too."
The weapon was laced with fractures from a life of fire and a sleep of ice, and perhaps other, more exotic stresses. Banshee wished he could've heard the relic's voice, but he knew from earlier examination that it had fired its last round. What a last round it must have been.
The Guardian who brought it to him might be willing to try a shot, untroubled by the risk of a rapid unplanned dismantle. But Banshee knew it wouldn't last through a single magazine.
Beside the relic lay a stripped-down Breechlight. He would adapt it for a larger round. Custom casings and handguard. Sensorium link scope… and he had other ideas to try as well.
It would be an homage, an offering to the creators of the original relic. A legacy.
With that satisfying thought in mind, the gunsmith went to work."
Did I mention the quest to get the weapon has you investigating a lone Cryo Pod hidden in Eternity?
A Titan. Oh yes. The Titan of all Titans.
A Titan ......... yes banshee .. THEE Titan.
What about the other halo guns? Heard the all of them from that bonus dlc was related to halo, the sword as the sword. And bxr is a reference to halo 2 br , when people would “bxr” insta kill you with it (b to melee, x reload to cancel melee animation, r to shoot out of reload instantly). There were literally modded controllers just to perform this script lol.
@Carson Hunt yeah, the BXR is currently one of the hottest pulse rifles in Destiny. A bit too hot ATM so it's getting nerfed.
Forerunner is the Magnum. The Covenant beam rifle is now a trace rifle called Retraced Path. The sword was divided in two: the arc Hal-Truths and the void one simply called...The Other Half.
The needler has been in the game much longer tho, in the shape of a fusion rifle called Telesto. Which many suspect is an anomalous entity that ever so often runs amok in the Bungie servers, breaking the game before being temporarily contained.
@@GhostRydr1172 the osteo striga is also interesting, you shoot and it "explodes" dealing damage to everyone nearby. Like a needler
I love the esoteric deep lore of all the bungie franchises, the ARGs, the anthology connections, the poetry, I’m especially a big fan of the chief is undead theory from shreddednerd. Chief is such a larger than life character I always feel like theres way more to him than meets the eye, wether they be weird, existential or horrifying..
How many Bungie franchises are there halo and destiny? Don't even start with destiny lmao
@@mrcroob8563t all starts with pathways into darkness and the whole crux of its plot is because of a god from marathon, and cortana was kind of always supposed to be a new version of durandal but became her own thing as time went on.
It’s crazy to me that it technically took only 8 days of actual work from Master Chief (in the games) to end the Human-Covenant War.
In terms of the games. In the EU he did many military campaigns against the Covenant
Uhh no?
@brandovlogs the optional non-canon shit.
The average Fnaf fan.
@@King_Barbados lol, not anymore
Couple tidbits:
1: The Mjolnir units from Marathon were explicitly stated to be built from corpses. IIRC, the Guardians are all reanimated as well, which means Chief would have died at some point to be brought back, twice even.
2: There is another title you have to consider. Pathways Into Darkness, made before Marathon, introduced the Jjaro who is/are also present in Marathon. Back in the day there was a lot of discussion about the Mjolnir cyborg in Marathon being the reanimation of the Specia Forces agent from Pathways, and Jason Jones either implied or outright said the two games were in the same universe.
I don't remember the Mjolnir units explicitly being made from corpses? Talking Universal Soldier style?
@@DeltaGammaKilo I went backed and checked, and you're correct. It was implied from Strauss' logs:
"Dead soldiers were recycled in makeshift battleroid factories. Easy to manufacture chips enhanced the fragile human brain, and genetically enhanced muscles and titanium bones replaced the fragile human form. The modern battleroid was born."
It is worth noting that marathon is connected directly to destiny via the paraverse. Mida exists in destiny but is noted to be not of their universe. Mida tools were accessed by tampering with vex tech and the multiverse/paraverse.
Funny thing about Marathon-Halo connection, Bungie originally planned for Halo to be sequel for Marathon series. One of scrapped enemy profiles from Marathon even became Flood.
Halo became its own thing instead of a sequel when Microsoft bought Bungie and they made Halo for the X-box.
The idea that Chief actually took a full day to take on the Banished during the events of Infinite... Oddly terrifying. This man is a fuckin force of nature. Speaking of it being over the course of a day, is there a confirmed canonical pickup/gathering of what happened during the events of Infinite? Like, we talking the various Banished bases, the full amount of propaganda towers? Etc?
Imagine being in the Banished and every say 30 to 120 minutes you hear that another Banished boss like Chak Lok has been killed by Master Chief. And that you could be next. That would be terrifying. No wonder the Covenant called him The Demon
@@PackHunter117 Now imagine the Road section of Infinite, where Chief just went on a one man rampage. That's the end of the day, more or less..
Compared to Warhammer 40k, Space Marines take either a Few day to maybe weeks/months to get an objective or battle done (sometimes excluding named characters w/ plot armor) but Chief has them beat like God Damn!
* Space Marine racks a shell into a Scatterbolter *
Space Marine: "what you say Brother?"
I mean Emperor Damn
@@flamesnipr1213 I mean granted, some of the things the space marines fight are often either on par with them or surpass them altogether.
@@ghosthippie8465 yea true
With some of the 4th wall breaking lore seen in D2 (specifically Savathun using the 999 power trick in Shadowkeep to escape the game for a bit or the Nine recognising we can "leave the game" whenever we want) I find it more likely that the player character, or perhaps the soul of each, is a *literal* vessel for the player.
What the player is supposed to be? Idk. Halo 1-3 don't support this nearly as strong as Marathon or especially Destiny do. Honestly the bungie metanarrative is fascinating. Especially with Marathon and Halo (at least the "bungie timeline" of Halo) directly crossing over with Destiny in the 30th anniversary, as confirmed in the Forerunner lore tab. Hell, the 999 Truth to Power trick AND I Love Bees ARG directly connects the games into OUR universe too, so take that as you will.
The 30th Anniversary events strongly highlights the possibility of a Bungie multiverse to the point that some Halo items and weapons just crossover into Destiny's. Including a certain cryopod and one Magnum repurposed into a very powerful sidearm
That said, the thing about Destiny's Earth is that dates are never given and it's possible that pre-Traveler Earth is indeed a regressed Earth recovering from the Created/Banished/Endless conflicts. John, a veteran of those wars, becomes one of the first generation of humans bathed by the Traveler's light. His already lengthy lifetime is tripled. And eventually he finds himself into one of the Exodus program's Colony ships.
Then the Collapse happens and he's killed inside that colony ship's pod. Eventually our Ghost finds him and wants to rez him as a Titan because he's more than capable of being one. But John declines for the reasons given and after centuries post Destiny's Final Shape he is resurrected as Marathon' Security Officer.
It's doable. Very doable. But I doubt that was Bungie's intention. Many narrative and creative leads have come and gone throughout the decades and I doubt any of them might've entertained the possibility of one protagonist linking all those franchises. But it IS a fun idea to write a myriad of fanfics about.
@@GhostRydr1172 The Banished, Created, and Endless wouldn't be a thing in Bungie's paraverse. They didn't make that stuff and 343i Halo as a whole differs a large amount from Bungie's
@@Freelancer837 I forgot where I heard this from but wasn’t The Created and the evil Cortana plot originally Bungies idea?
@@runningoutofnames3CS The Created are not a Bungie plot point, evil Cortana was an original plot point for Halo CE though that was cut, and was originally thought of in reference to how Curtana from Marathon turns evil in the first game and gets replaced with Durandal in Marathon 2.
Either way, my point is those factions and what story has happened in the 343i games wouldn't be apart of Bungie's paraverse, because Bungie didn't make those games
@@Freelancer837 thanks for the clarification and yeah only bungie’s halo would be in the paraverse, not 343i’s
Maybe not Master Chief, but a variation of him in alternate timelines fulfilling a nearly identical role in facing impossible odds for the sake of humanity. Alternate realities are already a thing in Destiny which was discovered in the lore tab for the Mida Multi Tool which might have come from the Marathon franchise. Then there's the exotic sidearm Forerunner which is found inside an empty cryopod in Eternity which is a hole in spacetime where reality has little to no meaning. Banshee-44 describes the ancient relic as an oversized sidearm as if the creators were making a handcannon, but didn't know it yet and that it had been designed for someone extremely large. Upon hearing Shaxx in the distance he assumed it was designed for someone as large as a titan if not bigger and went to work on restoring the relic with some spare parts he had nearby hoping to do the original creators of the weapon proud.
So, he'd effectively be a Scifi "Link" in this case, kinda cool really
"fulfilling nearly identical role in facing impossible odds for the sake of humanity" except in marathon where the security officer faces impossible odds for the sake of a megalomaniac artificial intelligence lol :D
10:54 That Vsauce reference caught me off guard
It would be interesting if you and MyNameIsByf did a collab lore video explaining how the two universes exist within each other
The story of Destiny seems to be subtly shifting more toward Marathon. Particularly from some parts of the Books of Sorrow that directly reference Marathon. Wormfood and Battle Made Waves comes to mind. Marathon Infinity references a star that travels around the universe.
All roads lead to Sol
Because they no longer own the rights to halo.
And Halo was (originally) a sequel to Marathon, hell to this day you still find the Marathon logo everywhere in the Halo games.
MIDA Multi-Tool also comes from the universe of Marathon if you read its in game lore
ok here's a theory. when the portal collapsed in halo 3 the Forward Unto Dawn was cut in half, but what if the collapse also cause a quantum effect that multiple possible outcomes happened? the Forward Unto Dawn fully made it through, didn't make it, got lost in slipspace or thrown into different timelines like Destiny and Marathon
Closes. As I understand it, it was the Marathon Security Officer who ascended into Halo and Destiny. He's on an endless quest to stop an ancient weapon, every time he loses, the universe resets with subtle differences. Things end up different each time, but there's always an AI, always a soldier, and always an ancient evil. Each game is a different scenario where he wins.
@@ZAK31591 I'm starting the think that the mantle of the perfect one man army soldier was passed down from one generation, or the master chief is the son of the marathon security officer and the guardian is master chiefs son or a perfect clone of him created via surrogate mother or something
@@ZAK31591 You've got it. It's a Bioshock-esque multiverse, no doubt.
@@ZAK31591 I love this, the original bungie writers had a deep appreciation for the monomyth. it's more mature than a multiverse crossover too, I think.
@@ZAK31591 Well, in Marathon Infinity he succeeded in the end and gained some influence over the conditions of the next iteration, but it's not quite that simple.
There are several forces that always reincarnate across the various forms of Bungie's paraverse (their term, not mine). These go, more or less, as follows:
The Star Horse: Bungie's avatar/the creator of the cycle everyone else is trapped in.
The Light: Forerunners, the Traveler, the Jjaro, the Cailleach (from Myth, also good stuff), etc.
The Dark: the Flood, the W'rkackntr (not going to try too hard to spell that correctly, it's been years and I still can't get it down), the Witness, the Leveler, etc.
The Hero: Chief, the Guardian, the Security Officer, the Army soldier from Pathways Into Darkness, etc.
And, technically, the Player: us, the force that occasionally influences the Hero's journey.
The Hero (as we'll refer to him moving forward) is sort of an Eternal Champion type character if you're at all familiar with Michael Moorcock's work. Which you should be, it's good stuff. Essentially he is a soul that manifests as the balancing force between the Light and Dark in any given world. The protagonist who will inevitably either bring one side to victory or force a stalemate.
As to where the Hero got his start, it's somewhat unclear, but generally speaking the idea goes like this, and I must clarify, these are all gross simplifications of the events. Also spoilers:
A soldier in the US military goes on a mission to nuke a sleeping god in the Yucatan and is helped and hindered by the forces of Light and Dark to the point that time fractures around him, with him succeeding and failing in various ways all at once. (This is the plot of Pathways Into Darkness, there's a free port for the free Aleph One engine, it's free, go play it if you can.)
One of these variations that succeeds goes on to be conscripted into a military cybernetics program and is modified with salvaged Jjaro technology, making him semi-conscious of his role in the cycle, but only through cryptic dreams. Eventually he gets involved with or acquired by a Martian insurgent named Bernard Strauss and smuggled aboard a long range colony ship known as the Marathon bound to Tau Ceti. Some time after they arrive in system, one of the AI aboard the colony ship, Durandal, goes rampant and hails a group of alien slavers, putting the colony in danger. The cyborg fights them off, is kidnapped by Durandal and goes on to fight more of the slavers, who in desperation accidentally release a manifestation of darkness. The Hero then fights across multiple timelines with the assistance of a mysterious paracausal AI (possibly a manifestation of the Light) who he helps create by combining Durandal with an alien AI, Thoth, at the end of the story, preventing the Dark from being released. This AI then releases him with the ability to manipulate time and ponders on his nature at the end of the universe, naming him destiny. (Marathon's cliff notes, and a gross oversimplification. Also free, also on Aleph One. Go. Play. It.)
From here the Hero manifests in various other forms across the paraverse, from Master Chief, to Konoko and so many more until finally he comes to the Guardian. My personal theory being that his aim this time is to break the cycle and become its sole arbiter. The final shape, if you will.
These universes are directly tied to one another, with interdimensional portals spitting out equipment here and there and a literal multiversal gameshow where the Star Horse offers us prizes from other franchises. But they are not in the same timeline. At all. They are distinct parallel universes.
As much as I love your Most Detailed Breakdowns, your Lore and Theory videos are my favorites by far. I think it's where you shine the brightest as you extrapolate on known lore and come up with your own ideas, as well as building upon pre-existing ones. I look forward to what you have in store for me.
Also, the gruff tones work for you. Makes you sound more like a Spartan.
There's two or three things that weren't taken into account. Before Marathon, there was Pathways into Darkness; a dungeon crawling game where you play as the lone survivor of a US SpecOps squad that was sent to nuke a mysterious pyramid in South America after aliens warned Bill Clinton (yes really) that an eldritch god was trapped beneath it and was waking. It would later become very apparent that Pathways into Darkness is in the same universe as Marathon, with Marathon being a continuation of the story as it were, with quite a bit of implications that the Mjolnir Cyborg we play as in Marathon might be the same US SpecOps soldier from Pathways. In Marathon, Mjolnir Cyborgs are corpses that were resurrected with cybernetic augmentations, kind of like Universal Soldiers.
Now, in Marathon Infinity, the game has a very all over the place and complicated storyline, but to boil I'll try to boil it down. In Marathon, AIs also go through rampancy just like in Halo, only there's a twist; AIs in Marathon aren't fully sentient - but going through rampancy can lead them to becoming fully sentient. What happens in Marathon is that the Cyborg is going through a form of Rampancy as well, but since a Human is already sentient/sapient, what comes next is something akin to godhood. Throughout Infinity, the Cyborg keeps jumping through different timeliness and also dreamscapes, seeing different outcomes and fighting for different sides of the same conflict and even fighting within his own mind before finally ascending after the game ends (I skipped some stuff related to another eldritch god being let loose after Marathon Durendal). But it gets even weirder, as it turns out both the Cyborg and the AI Durendal have lived many lives before, often coming to Humanity's aid in times of crises throughout ancient history and history yet to be written.
Also, the Flood were originally going to appear in Marathon Durendal under a different name, but were cut from the game, but they are still talked about in the game in terminal entries. And the original logo for Humanity we saw in Bungie's Halo, are the same symbol shown everywhere in Marathon, and the Spartan Security armor in Halo 3 is very much a reference to Marathon, both in design, name and said logo on the forehead.
Additionally, Destiny has substantially more ties with Marathon, implying the traveller might be of the same Aliens if not the same Alien that contacted humanity in Pathways into Darkness (also the reveal trailer for Destiny was Pathways out of Darkness). There's also a number of Marathon related items, weapons and armors in Destiny that make direct mention of events in Marathon in the item descriptions without being vague about it like the more Halo referencial items. And I remember reading somewhere that one of the names the Darkness has is the same as that of the eldritch gods from Marathon and Pathways into Darkness.
So according to this, chief by canon is a speedrunner
Remember. Efficiency is just useful laziness
@@hf117j I'm taking that with me.
While I don't think Chief's in all the games, I do know that Marathon and Destiny exist in a connected manner, through the "paraverses" or whatever term was used in the Dares Of Eternity, along with several weapons and armor pieces. The MIDA Multi Tool is another direct link to Marathon, as from what I remember hearing, Marathon is considered an alternate timeline to Destiny, where the MIDA Multi and Mini Tools had entered a temporal anomaly from Marathon's universe into the Destiny universe. And, had Halo not gone with Microsoft, there were some connections to Marathon in there too. Hell, Pathways Into Darkness ALSO exists in the Marathon universe, taking place at least a few centuries before Marathon 1.
All in all, the theory's not too far off, as at one point, one could say they're all connected. We can't now thanks to Microsoft of course, but Pathways Into Darkness, Marathon, and Destiny still have a strong chance for at least being in neighboring universes to each other.
Honestly, the way I view the protagonists, antagonists, and events of each of these games is through a quote in Bioshock Infinite:
"There are a million million worlds. All different, and all similar. Constants and Variables. There's always a lighthouse. There's always a man, always a city."
I'm sure once you look at the stories of Pathways, Marathon, Halo, and Destiny, you can see the constants and variables.
That's my whole point of view on it, ever since the 30th Anniversary Pack dropped I've looked a bit more into it from time to time. I love the whole multiverse theory-type stuff, especially when companies like Bungie do it for their IPs.
Tl;dr: There's a Chief-like figure in all the games, there's always a Covenant/Fallen/Pthor/Banished/Cabal/Hive/Vex/Taken invading force, humanity's armies and species are pushed to the brink, there's always some ancient race like the Precursors/Forerunners/Jjaro, and some cosmic horror entity like the Flood/W'rkncacnter/Darkness and Witness which are released and cause further chaos.
There's always a man, and There's always a lighthouse.
There is a Titan 117. He didn't want to join the fight, as he'd seen enough battle for one man. But when his cryo pod was lost in an unknown ice canyon, he rejoined the fight, but accidentally left his sidearm behind for any guardian as lucky as him to find.
Where was that tho?
@@MemeLordCthulhu The Easter egg they pointed out and the Easter egg in D2 30th anniversary
There was no "titan 117." There was also no lore that explained that cryopod. Don't spread false info.
@@chrisborges7344 isn't that what an Easter egg is?
Damn...I had no idea how efficient with time Chief is. He has AMAZING time managment skills😂
The fact that the ghost (our ghost) tries to resurrect him, is successful and chief in the pod actually remembers his life before... which typically speaking of guardians is very uncommon. They tend not to remember anything of their past life unless like the character of Ana Bray wake up with a name tag on and can research who they were. Chief or the person in the pod states 'the last war was enough for a thousand lifetimes'' and wanted to sleep speaks to the uniqueness of his situation. One could and would have to speculate why he remembers and other guardians do not.
The only other guardian who knows who they are is Crow but that was by way of Savathune giving him his memories to him.
Further to this on another note... could the Bray family be descendants of Halsey?
6:46 Literally the worst possible day he could have said this...
I always thought of the whole Bungie verse being connected, especially since destiny kind of confirms alternate realities and outcomes. Such as Mida not being created in the Destiny universe, but yet it’s still there same as the Forerunner. Weapons and tools from other universes are being brought into one. Even in the Eternity level for Destiny 2, there’s the same outline formation from Halo CE silent cartographer. Plus Master Chief is referenced twice in the Destiny universe. That and another small little detail was in the fact the titans get the Needler shards in their ornament and Warlocks get the Arbiter's armor for their arms as their ornament. Plus the whole thing about Chief being a forerunner in the original timeline makes sense of him being able to travel beyond time. The newer halo games kind of confirmed and switched the lore around that Chief was implanted with special DNA. So he could’ve been alive during all those events and just doesn’t want to fight anymore. Even Ghost said in the Taken King, he found Chief in the cryopod but he didn’t want to be awakened since he’s been fighting all his life. Makes sense I know Bungie doesn’t own the right to Halo anymore, but it’s pretty clear they had more planned for him in their universe, but just couldn’t do much. Plus there’s the theory that Bungie’s Halo ended at 3 story-wise. So maybe that incarnation of Chief is the one who ended up in the destiny universe.
The final master chief mission should see chiefs make his last stand on earth in what used to be called Russia eventually being found by a ghost speaking in the dulcet tones of Peter Dinklage
Something to note is that I'm pretty sure it's heavily implied that the protagonist of Marathon is the same protagonist as the one in Pathways into Darkness; an even older Bungie game. Maybe that was just out of the scope of this video, but it is interesting that Bungie already have a history of connecting their series together through the same protagonist existing throughout.
Yes! I want a Video mentioning all the correlations between Halo, Destiny and Marathon
I was so fucking confused by this title lmao. I thought he was referring to Halo 1, 2 and 3.
Then the forerunner sidearm mission, look at the 30th anniversary lore for d2 for better Master Chief evidence.
Definitely interested in Marathon content. Especially considering how old the game is, a lot of people might not be able to play it.
You can play it on many platforms! Look up Aleph One!
marathon became freeware in like 2005 and is easily available
there is a part in destiny where cayde 6 says he is gonna go play his favorite game and it starts with H..... so with that alot in destiny have said the theory is halo is a game inside of destinys story line
If everything matches up, yes it works.
I do like a video on that.
Also i remember bungie saving destiny is 700 years into the future thus it's sits in the 2700ts, thus a little bit later as you talked sbout.
One thing i do want to see is a marathon remake to truely visualize the links and explaining what happened before the og marathon.
Right out the window, I’m going to say that I recognize that it’s just for fun and I don’t take it literally as fact for a franchise or franchises but I love cross connecting theories like this. It adds much depth if the finer details are looked upon and for anyone’s personal head-canon, it can make for some pretty interesting moments and just fun conversation. For example, I know there is lore that can say otherwise but I like to say Buck is secretly Cayde-6.
Addition after reading through the comments: It genuinely makes me so happy to see people taking this so well. I’ve had so many experiences with people firsthand or just witnessing people treating stuff like this terribly. It’s really and truly a breathe of fresh air to see the community here. It’s a surprise to be sure but a welcome one.
Here’s a theory. What if the halo rings were designed to ALWAYS be fired and reset the galaxy. So one of the resets had the marathon marine, one had the master chief that we know, and one had the guardian with “exceptional light.” But every reset there is always one man, but with different lives. Almost like he’s punished to be the hero and fight every single time the galaxy resets itself.
Since Destiny essentially contains multiverses, there could easily be a universe where Halo happens and one where Destiny happens. The precursors may have killed the Traveler/Darkness, or in Destiny, taken the form of the Traveler/Darkness (Hello sweetness of the Universe), or they are just completely separate multiverses. Perhaps the Vex reached into even just one of the Multiverses where Master Chief exists, and accidentally plucked him out and he is now in the Destiny Universe?
Perhaps the Endless *mostly* reset everything and all memory back to 21st century, merge with the precursors (some of whom choose to be Light, some of whom choose to be Darkness) and re-evolve all the Halo Factions. The Jirilhanae become Cabal, the Jackals and San'Shyuum are mixed into Psion, Unggoy and Sangheili are mixed into the Eliksni, the remaining flood precursors are transformed into the Hive, etc.
I'd like to point out that the marathon cyborg is actually supposed to be a reanimated corpse using partial ai implants and mechanical parts to create soldiers. It's entirely possible they found this super soldier corpse floating in space and decided to turn him into a security cyborg. The rampancy in marathon infinite also has extreme parallels to halo, which weren't even shown until halo 4 after bungie left
I love the idea and so far nothing can dispute it unless Bungie comes out and says that wasn't their intention... However it could also be each of the 3 time lines has it's own Master Cheif that rises up when the time is right.
...Is master Chief in all 3 of the original Trilogy? Yes he is. Goodnight everybody. In more important news, Joseph Staten has left 343 Industries....this effectively crushes all hope I had for Halo the Endless, or any Campaign DLC, or even a new game.
and i was really excited to see what Joseph Staten could give us in the modern Halo Story, but now all of that is gone. This especially surprises me considering how optimistic he was for 343 and the future of Halo...i wouldnt be surprised if he left because the simple reality is that they arent making any new Campaign experience for a very long time, so he just gave up.
I would love to see more videos on this type of stuff. It's interesting trying to fit all these puzzle pieces together and trying to see if it all makes sense in some way.
7:31 I guessed that the Reach cutscene was going to be '89 because I believe that is the date that is on some of the monitor screens in Halo 3 maps like orbital that take place after the human covenant war and humanity is rebuilding
Did you miss the 30th anniversary easter egg in destiny 2? Hes out of a different stasis pod. Destiny plays a lot into paraversal things. Xur and the Nine give you halo weapons. You get the halo magnum in the pod.
This theory is wild and crazy. Yet it makes so much sense. If you want it to work that is.
One problem with this theory is the other species like the Elites. What happened to them? Why didn't they interact with humanity in Destiny or Marathon? It's only a theory based solely on references and things Bungie put in as nods to the other games they made, so it doesn't work completely. But that's the thing with theories. They don't completely work. If they did, then they wouldn't be theories, they'd be reality.
I see one glaring issue but also a possible explanation as it is actually in the lore of destiny that marathon is happening in a separate timeline. You can specifically find this information in the lore behind the MIDA mini-tool and MIDA multi-tool. The alternate timeline is specifically mentioned in the MIDA multi-tool's lore tab, where it also describes MIDA from marathon and some of their actions.
What I find interesting is that the logs on the MIDA mini-tool is from November 17, 2472
Given the timelines, and especially the vagueness of the Destiny time frame, I'd adjust our proposed timeline and put Marathon between the Halo games and Destiny. The Destiny quote about "the last war" suggests to me that there are multiple wars that the person fought through; that would make perfect sense if it referred to Halo, and then Marathon. So the timeline would be Halo -> Societal change that sees Chief becoming the Cyborg -> Marathon -> Chief/Cyborg goes to sleep after the war -> Destiny.
I personally could never get into Destint like I could with Halo and Marathon, the mix of space magic and a plot that felt far more disconnected from the game play than even marathon meant Destinty just didn't do it for me.
I admit I am struggling myself. I am branching out on my second channel and in order to get well versed in the Lore I'm playing through Destiny, and it just isn't grabbing me like Halo, Marathon did and many other games did/have.
18:20 "Become Myth" idk if that was intentional, but I liked it lol
It was.
@@Installation00 Nice! Also, love your content it's great!
A crazy theory, but a fun one nonetheless. I personally don't believe there is a direct continuity between the three games, but more of a spiritual one. I could see it all coming together in some multiversal shenanigans in Destiny. Something to do with converging timelines and whatnot; the same hero being incarnated throughout time and space and universes.
In Destiny with the 30th anniversary DLC content, it is stated that all Bungie games exist in a "paraverse" sort of like how the spider verse is going on. We were able to pull the battle rifle, cryo pod, magnum, focus rifle, and energy sword and myth sword (as well as armor from halo, marathon etc) into the destiny universe. These weapons were also altered to fit into the destiny aesthetic like how Electro looked different in No Way Home.
This is also not the first time we've had weapons jump universes. The MIDA multi tool and MIDA mini tool were created by a company that exists in Marathon and some whacky stuff mightve happened to launch them through time and space to end up in Destiny.
Destiny has a race called the Vex that loves to jump through time and dimensions so definitely not impossible
Am late, but this blew my mind! If I had to come up with a reason for Chief dying, I'd say due to natural reasons like old age or some sort of extreme fatigue that catches up with him. I don't see him getting killed by anyone. Edit: or anything.
I would love to see you and My Name Is Byf do a lore collaboration.
To clarify with the Destiny timeline. I'd say it's much more reasonable to say that Destiny can't take place any time before 3500. We know from lore that Humanitys Golden Age lasted several hundred years, wherin human lifespan tripled and we colonised our star system. And we've also learned that between the final years of the Golden Age and the current time in Destiny, at least a whole Millenium has passed. This includes the hundreds of years of the Dark Ages, following The Collapse, as well as the current City Age, which has so far lasted upwards of 300 years
A quote from fallen kingdom: “Take a caveman that would’ve lived 20 years. Give him prime healthcare prime meals he’s gonna live… five times as long” I think Chief will live a very long time as even though he is human he is superhumanly enhanced and either he’s forced into retirement or he finally meets his match and falls before his foe and is struck down.
I'm someone who gets really annoyed when people speak with a voice that doesn't flow naturally and try to make their voice deeper than what it actually is. But you have a nice speaking voice and it sounds very natural. Thank you for being yourself and not trying to sell your voice as something its not.
Considering the news with 343 and that fate of halo kinda being up in the air, I would love if Master Chief lived on in some other fashion.
I want to play as a spartan being trained by chief and the station is attacked. I want him to be an old man that hasn't fought in years and years but he rolls with you during the last half fighting after vowing not to ever again after adjusting to a more civilian lifestyle. Your character almost dies and the green giant is back and saves the new spartan with the ending being you playing as chief in an almost doom like game play sequence. In the end you both live and repell the attacking force and I want that force to be rebels.
i love the idea of it and its a fun theory, but i dont think the master chief is in the pod in destiny only because i dont think if master chief would choose to stay asleep if humanity was on the back foot and forced back to the final city.
He probably just doesn't know and neither did the ghost know that they were asleep
I'm amazed, 15 days! Days in Master Chief's life are like episodes from the 24 series. This man gets things done.
Chief may not be able to fight when he gets old, but it won’t stop him from serving.
I can’t wait for you to break down Guardian powers like you did Spartan Augmentations & abilities.
Just one question on this vid:
What happened to the Sangheili if Destiny follows Halo?
I see some vague resemblances between the Sangheili and Eliksni (which yes, I realize Bungie did on purpose). Though, in truth, I see the Eliksni as more of a cross-breed of Sangheili and the drones (I forget their name).
I personally think that it's the same Chief transported to different universes- those do exist in halo lore after all, born and harvested to power forerunner technology.
You could say Master Chief got sent through space-time portal, lore for forerunners did say they could harness unlimited energy through different dimensions and realities, Chief could have been sent through it during his ongoing fight after Halo Infinite which remains to be seen. He could also have amnesia after doing so, which is quite possible if he was sent through without being prepare.
I like to think that chief retires to being either a DI or a merchant ship captain with a nice place on a beach somewhere. He keeps his armor in the basement and once in a while he goes down just to look at it. it cuts out with him sitting in a chair smoking a Sweet Williams cigar and enjoying a drink watching a sunset
Wearing the odst helmet with extra armor as noble 6... You are a man of exquisite taste.
But Marathon's security officer was a battleroid -- "A man long dead, grafted to machines your builders did not understand", according to Durandal.
The part around 2:15 made me realize how great of an idea it was to end Halo 3 with Chief floating aimlessly in space. Bungie eventually passed the torch and it would be up to a new company to continue the story. Having the new story start with Chief with no direction means they would have complete control over how long he was out there and events that have passed. The perfect clean slate.
Too bad 343i had to fumble it for over a decade
Shredded Nerd did an amazing comprehensive video about how all the bungie games are connected called "Bungie's Marathon: The Blueprint of First Person Shooters".
I love this train of thought, I love the theory and unless it’s stated otherwise this is now my head cannon of Master Chief.
Just a headcanon of mine:
If MC *is* the marathon guy or even just a reincarnation of him and still has timeline jumping abilities, every time you died in game could potentially be canon.
Chief didn't see that Jackal across the way and he got sniped? He'd then hop back to a stable, safe-ish point in the timeline (checkpoint). This time, he'll get it right. If not, he'll get it right the next time.
From the outside, this would look like he is astonishingly lucky. Cortana takes note of this luck in H3.
That actually kinda works. Would also explain how he's able to dispatch of hordes of enemies so quickly; he effectively knows where they'll be (approximately, with possibility for some variation) before they do.
@@Blue-Gold_Crusader I will admit there is a *huge* flaw in this theory: If he can go back in time and correct his mistakes, then every time he failed to save someone or failed something important in a cutscene was because he consciously chose to let those mistakes slide. He let important people die that he potentially could have saved. He could have confronted the monitor differently in H3 and prevented Sgt. Johnson from dieing. He could have retconned the release of the Diadact in H4 - gone back and done things differently so that the Diadact wouldn't have been released in the first place.
@@camerongates3893, yeah... that's a valid point. Unless, of course, it works more like in "Edge of Tomorrow" in that he has no conscious dominion over it.
@@Blue-Gold_Crusader that would check out. Part of the canon of Marathon is that the hero doesn't remember any of his past lives. He was Roland, Gilgamesh, Achilles and many many more before becoming the titular cyborg. He may not even be all that aware that he's been mucking with time while he's "alive" in the physical world.
I just watched a few Marathon lore vids after this and it seems the Cortana maybe / could have been a through line in the series, lending credence to the possibility that the Master Chief is as well. I'm a long time Halo fan and knew it had connections to Marathon but I knew just about nothing of Marathon until a few minutes ago.
19:50 there was also another game released around the time of Halo 3 I believe it was called "Dead or Alive 4" that featured a spartan that timetraveled due to a Slipspace event. If I remember correctly it was a nod to the ending of H3 and also the reason we have the absolutely glorious Hayabusa armour
Idk how I feel about all our playtime with chief only taking 15 days…
I am personally going to sustain my belief it took a bit longer then that
I am in shock right now. Halo 3 is my favorite video game of all time and I’m just now discovering that the story starts on my birthday, exactly 554 years after I was born…
As someone who is more familiar with Destiny lore and is newer to Halo lore, there is another, more direct reference to Master Chief added to Destiny 2 in the Bungie 30th Anniversary DLC from December 2021. In it, players participate in a game show that is centered around the idea of a Paraverse, and there are rewards given that take inspiration from all Bungie games from Myth onwards. There is a quest that has players discover an empty cryo pod that has a striking resemblance to the cryo pod that Master Chief used, and there is a broken CE Magnum in the pod, which is refitted to the player, and the weapon is named Forerunner. The Gunsmith in Destiny theorizes that the size of the Magnum implies that it was made for a large Titan, Destiny's closest thing to Spartans.
Additionally, the Battle Rifle (BxR-55 Battler) and half variants of Energy Swords (Half-Truths, The Other Half) can be obtained from this game show as well.
theres one thing that would potentially poke holes in this and that is the MIDA multi tool, which comes from the marathon universe. the marathon universe is actually a different and parallel dimension to the one that destiny takes place in, as evidenced by the fact that the MIDA multi tool comes from mars
The Mida Multi Tool exotic scout rifle makes references to Marathon as well. Give that lore tab a read.
Funnily enough, During Season of The Lost, in December of 2021, Bungie released a special DLC called "Bungie's 30th Anniversary" and it brough into Destiny's universe the Bungie Paraverse.
The Paraverse is Bungie's way of saying that the Destiny universe is just a different timeline that exists alongside Halo's timeline, and every other timeline from every game made by Bungie.
And with it, it brought references to all Bungie's past games, inlcuding Halo. We got several weapons like the Halo magnum(which you find in a cryopod that looks a lot like the Forward onto Dawn's cryopods at the end of Halo 3), the battle rifle, the focus rifle from Reach, two swords that are each one half of an energy sword from Halo, and several armor pieces referencing the Covenant, the needler, the Arbiter, and Spartans.
There were several other easter eggs in that DLC, like an emote that references the famous halo fall ragdoll, Reach's armor lock. Weapon and armor shaders that reference Master Chief and Halo 2 and 3's Arbiter.
And of course there were several references to Marathon, Myth, Pathways into Darnkess, and other classic Bungie games.
no wonder there's an achievement to complete Infinite campaign in 8 hours, the canon MC took 1 day.
"I have been Roland, Beowulf, Achilles, Gilgamesh.
I have been called a hundred names and will be called a
thousand more before the world goes dim and cold. I am
a hero. She has been nameless since our birth, a
constant adversary caring for nothing but my ruin, a
sword drenched in my blood, forever my greatest and only
love. She is the dark [. o, Lethe|one, the] enemy and lover without
whom my very existence would be pathetic and vulgar!
Our relationship is complex and perhaps eternal.
We met once in the garden at the beginning of the world
and, unaware of our twin destinies we matched stares across
a dry fountain. And I recall her smiling at
me before she devoured the lawn and trees with a
translucent blue flame and tore flagstones from the
path and hurled them into the sky, screaming my sins.
I powder a granite monument in a soundless flash,
showering the grass with molten drops of its gold inlay,
sending smoking chips of stones skipping into the
fog. She splinters an ancient oak with a force that
takes my breath and hurls me to the ground. She lea-"
(Marathon 1 Iam%hero terminal [formatted])
“We’ve watched while the stars burned out, and creation played in reverse. The universe freezing in half light.
Once I thought to escape. To end the end a master, step out of the path of collapse. Escape would make us God.
Yet I cannot help but remember one Enigma. A hybrid. Elusive destroyer. This is the only mystery I have not solved. The only element unaccounted for.
Even S’suth is no more. He saved his entire race, but in the end, frozen by despair, he joined the chaos he sought to evade.
But you were dead a thousand times. Hopeless encounters successfully won. A man long dead, grafted to machines your builders did not understand.
You follow the path. Fitting into an infinite pattern. Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.
Now in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one, one moment left. One point of space and time. I know who you are.
You are destiny.”
(Marathon Infinity final screen)
I believe so, it isn't impossible to have them in the same universe. Mostly because of all the connections they have, like, even if it isn't, still a good way to see all three as a means of being a collective bungie story over decades of games. But how does the older titles of Bungie fit into the collective narrative of the Bungieverse?
I mean... it'd be a stretch for a number of reasons. Destiny having NO reference to the Covenant, the Flood, or the Pfhor flat out could not happen if they were present. Better to think of it as three stories following the same pattern, I think.
Destiny explicitly takes place in a different universe than marathon
about the Destiny connection to Halo?
the Traveler, it looks an awful lot like the Daidect's sphere, and the Ghosts resurrecting the Guardians are like the Watchers "respawning" the Promethean Knights.
[edit] that also goes to the various elements in Destiny that blend seamlessly to Halo,
All wielding powers like the Endless? Check.
Hardlight weapons? Check.
vast inter/extra-galactic empires that got an itch for the some ancient alien power? check.
post reset human empire? check
Nathan Filian? Buck? Cade-6? check.
If we are including the 343 continuity in this potential history of the Master Chief, I would be a little hung up on how the the Endless being the creators of life in the Milky Way can also exist along side the Traveler and the Darkness, which, according to lore cards in Destiny and Destiny 2, were the creators of life in the Destiny series. Aside from that, given the amount of paralleles and connections between Marathon, Bungie's Halo, and Destiny, I would say that there is a good chance they were originally intended to share a continuity on some level. Or at least the idea was floated and the devs thought that would make some fascinating easter eggs for the fandom to find.
Oh god please, finally. Ive been spitballing this idea ever since mandalore went down this rabbit hole.
Another thing ive wondered about is how exactly was the chief effected by the gift that the librarian gave him in halo 4, i mean it effecting genetically enough to protect him from being digitized (havent played H4 in a while cant remember what its called) but didnit do anything else to him like regenerative abilities or the age process being stopped
"Infinite's inevitable campaign dlc."
After today's news, I'm not too sure bout dat, chief.
Yeah, spoke to soon on that one didn't I. Sorry everyone! My fault! I jinxed it!
Destiny lore expert here. No that is not CHief in Destiny, it's simply just an easter egg. Otherwise it would have to be an alternate timeline version of John where he didn't become a Spartan 2. As Destiny's timeline diverges with our's in 2014, as that is the year when the Traveler is detected above Mars, and te Ares 1 space mission sends 3 astronaughts to Mars. I think it woud be cool if Halo and Destiny were just alternat timelines of each other. It would mean in Halo that the Darkness and Hive are out there, and in Destiny that the Covenant is out there. But still it was a really cool easter egg.
Spartans never die…
They're just missing in action
Love it! Bungie love connectivity and this is a great visualization of it!
Also, MAN, I gotta play Marathon soon. There’s so much Halo-esque stuff in there!
It's technically the reverse, but yep! MandaloreGaming has a video series on the Marathon Franchise
Okay, okay. This is something I noticed that crosses the destiny and halo universes. Spartan Buck. The same voice actor us used for Buck and Cayde6. And it stands with reason that he could have been in a similar situation as described in the video. He lives to see the end of the war. Goes into cryo sleep and wakes up In The destiny universe. He finds himself subject to braytechs experiments and becomes an exo where after a while is found and chosen by a ghost and made a guardian. He then meets a tragic end at the hands of uldrin sov.
As a huge destiny lore nerd and fan of bungie most recent endeavors this brings me great joy seeing a bit of a cross over. Who knows, maybe you’d crush the destiny lore scene with byf and myelin…. Keep it up!
I like this idea but I don't think that the idea you state works completely, but it is a fun idea. In Destiny 2 there exist a concept in the lore called the parverse which is just bungies version of the multiverse. Within Destiny 2 there exists guns from both Halo and Marathon, two of the best examples are Forerunner which is the Halo CE pistol, and Mida Multi Tool which is a rifle from Marathon. My extension to your theory is that Master Chief exists in all of Bungies franchises but that each franchise is it's own universe that exist on its own. My theory is that each universe has its own version of Master Chief and that a protagonist like the Master Chief is an inevitability as in all franchises humanity faces overwhelming odds and in every franchise there is someone to face those overwhelming odds.
A follow up video about the similarities would be awesome
My headcannon says yes but I HIGHLY DOUBT there will be any confirmation any time soon...
Omg all these battles took a lot shorter than I expected
Bungie actually hints that all their games take place in alternate universes in the lore of the MIDA exotic weapon
Spartans don't die. They're just Missing In Action.
I think it would be cool if you made a video connecting all the similarities between the three main games, as well as how Pathways to Darkness (one of Bungie's first games, which fits in with both Destiny and Marathon). There are so many similarities between each game- intentional and otherwise- that's it's genuinely crazy how much is taken over from other games.
If we consider the books, halo CE it's 1 to 2 weeks long. I remember this because it's said chief went on shooting uo and down and doing stuff for this time without ever sleeping once
6:45 😬 I don’t think thats coming any time soon
Big oof
This was amazing, please do more videos connecting the franchises if there is enough evidence and content to do so. I'd love to see it
I wouldn't doubt the connections. In destiny we're exploring the idea of multiple timeliness. Maybe one of them could merge the 3
Another possibility from Destiny: The Vex had fun time travelling Master Chief left right center and it made those 3 timelines (read Game) and it would make sense!
Hey don't forget about Pathways Into Darkness the 90's dungeon crawler being a loose Marathon prequel
I've always had the continuity theory that all three main characters are the same person just makes sense. If you look at how the Marathon main characters hands are then comparing it to the Master Chief.
The marathon games could be very well after Destiny 2.
Can't ever rule out multiple timelines either, it happens in Marathon infinity with the time jumps.
This theory has always been in my head.
He has stopped so much and he's out video games last hope. Literally.