If cost is your focus, ICE or EV both beat out hybrids. There was a British study that showed the vast majority of plug-in hybrid owners rarely plugged in. The performance argument was bad as well. Most hybrids are not fast. The Chevy Bolt could beat many if them, let alone EVs like Tesla makes. The extra maintenance and odds of problems hybrids bring to the table makes it foolish. I see the logic when people say a ICE vehicle for $20,000 is better than many EVs. Those government incentives you touched on do make a big difference. The Model 3 RWD I bought for $38,747 from Tesla in June will be getting me around $9,000 in savings between local and federal programs. At $30,000 it is very hard to beat owning an EV. The part about people might not be ready for full EV so going hybrid is a bridge is very weak. Many EV owners are going straight from ICE to EV. It is not that hard to do. Charging networks are expanding very rapidly. I charge at home, which saves me time going to a gas station. Speaking of savings, no more oil changes every 5,000 miles, no more bi-annual SMOG tests (California for example on vehicles older that 6 yrs), and all that time saved. Hybrids and hydrogen vehicles are a waste a do more damage to the environment. EV tech has greatly reduced "rare Earth" minerals, which those gas powered vehicles still use in things like catalytic converters. Already EVs for under $20,000 are being sold in other parts of the world. We will see lower cost EVa in the USA over the next few years. Speaking of the USA, it would be nice not to be under the thumb of OPEC. Keeping buying gas powered vehicles and that does not happen. Isn't it nice that the top four most American vehicles are EVs. When look at labor and parts, Tesla Model Y, Model 3, Model X, and Model S, are the most American vehicles you can buy. This hybrids are better opinion video is going to age very poorly. Those remote places you mentioned, did you Tesla can put a charging station attached to solar panels and battery backup anywhere. Remote locations with no infrastructure for power can have something to power their EVs. In a pinch, you can use portable solar to recharge EVs if you manage to get stranded. Let us be real, most American drivers do 40 miles or less a day. Most new EVs have over 200 miles of range. Most owners charge at home. These more extreme cases are rare.
Thank you for your great, constructive, comment. We don’t have to agree on everything. I took the time to answer each argument as deserved for having taken the time to watch my video. Understand that I don’t want to convince you or anyone of anything. It’s my subjective opinion as subjective as any personal opinion inherently is. If cost is your focus, ICE or EV both beat out hybrids. There was a British study that showed the vast majority of plug-in hybrid owners rarelv plugged in. 1 presented different aspects, not all of them. If owners rarely plug them that's on them. For example, I know many EV owners who have an alternate vehicle and use it for any scenario where fhe EV falls short in convenience. They love their EV's but again they have options. The PHEV gives you that. My wife's drive to work is so short and has chargers within yards. Over 90% of our driving is on weekends and the average weekend trip is north of 250 miles. Not only was is it 90% but it was 90% of a big number, 16000 in 9 months the second year, 10k the first year. So that was a lot of time off the road, charging. Not the best scenario ESPECIALLY without a home charger. On a side note, my coworker has owned a 3 since 2018 and bought a new RAV4 Prime and flipped it. He said he didn't like it because he felt he was charging it all the time. So again, every situation is different. The performance argument was bad as well. Most hybrids are not fast. The Chevy Bolt could beat many if them, let alone EVs like Tesla makes. Agree that most EV are generally quicker than hybrids and ICE cars. But they can be quicker than regular hybrids (which are generally slow when talking about what traditional hybrid applications used to be, which has changed with the implementation of hybrid technology on just about any passenger car now or even their ICE counterparts: example: the RAV4 Prime is the second fastest Toyota currently offered, second to the Supra. And EV offer that instant torque for good or bad. That's why I wouldn't drive a FWD EV, the torque steer and wheel spin is ridiculous. AWD is the way to go or even RWD. Tesla has redefined fast 0-60. What sports cars were doing 0-60 in the sub 6 second mark, Teslas have squashed those times even in their base models. So it makes other cars looks "slow" when they aren't. The extra maintenance and odds of problems hybrids bring to the table makes it foolish. (Agree despite what you see online, Teslas are super reliable. I can't speak for other EV's but (pure speculation) other brands don't have the knowledge at the dealership to deal with the EV part of their business, Tesla centers is all they do and they've been doing it for years. Those government incentives you touched on do make a big difference. The Model 3 RWD I bought for $38,747 from Tesla in June will be getting me around $9,000 in savings between local and federal programs. At $30,000 it is very hard to beat owning an EV. (Agree specially considering that the average price of a new car is north of $40k. The part about people might not be ready for full EV so going hybrid is a bridge is very weak. Many EV owners are going straight from ICE to EV. It is not that hard to do. Agree to disagree: I did. I have it a fair shot but I value convenience a lot, a lot. And driving my Y interstate many times even cross country made me long for the convenience of gassing up in minutes. If I was made out of money I'd have a second newer car that would give me the option. I didn't. (If you have time and interest, check the video where I talk about why we sold ours) Charging networks are expanding very rapidly. 1 charge at home, which saves me time going to a gas station. (Agree, ideal scenario, not all of us have the "luxury" of being able to charge at home) Speaking of savings, no more oil changes every 5,000 miles, no more bi-annual SMOG tests (California for example on vehicles older that 6 yrs), and all that time saved. (Agree, I do miss that about ours) Hybrids and hydrogen vehicles are a waste a do more damage to the environment. EV tech has greatly reduced "rare Earth" minerals, which those gas powered vehicles still use in things like catalytic converters. (This is way above my pay grade) l've given it a try to understand more about this. Actually the last generation Mirai was an option before we got the MY but opted out because of the hydrogen charging situation. I've read pros and cons on the technology and the environmental impact of the hydrogen production. 🤷🏻♂️ Already EVs for under $20,000 are being sold in other parts of the world. We will see lower cost EVa in the USA over the next few years. (Agree, even Tesla is coming out with a smaller offering) the challenge is still to increase the range in batteries that as of today is still linked to their size so smaller cars can only have so much range. Speaking of the USA, it would be nice not to be under the thumb of OPEC. Keeping buying gas powered vehicles and that does not happen. (Agree 100%) but again, as of today the charging network isn't there outside of Tesla. Isn't it nice that the top four most American vehicles are EVs. When look at labor and parts, Tesla Model Y, Model 3, Model X, and Model S, are the most American vehicles you can buy. (Agree) sort of nice that some of the most technologically advanced cars are American) This hybrids are better opinion video is going to age very poorly. (We'll see about this one) PHEV are a very small percentage of vehicles sold today. Will their market share grow before potential federal regulation kills all sales of ICE cars? I don’t know. I sustain that I believe in their practicality of being both, an EV and ICE car when needed, hopefully not too often. The context is: are a better option for some, just like an EV can be or an ICE can be. Those remote places you mentioned, did you Tesla can put a charging station attached to solar panels and battery backup anywhere. But are they there as of today? Everything EV wise is evolving rapidly, infrastructure, technology, capabilities, expectations, pricing… and I can’t wait to see where it will be in 5, 10 years. Remote locations with no infrastructure for power can have something to power their EVs In a pinch, you can use portable solar to recharge Vs if you manage to get stranded. Right but, again... convenience, practicality ... the things that we Americans love. And I’m willing to sacrifice some at times. Selfishly, not all of the time. Let us be real, most American drivers do 40 miles or less a day. (Agree, average of 37 as I state on the video. I think this argument works more in my favor that if one falls within that category and charges overnight, could be driving mostly if not all electric throughout the week and have the practicality of an extended range when needed Most new EVs have over 200 miles of range. Most owners charge at home. These more extreme cases are rare. I'm not sure I'd consider 20% of something "extreme" Thanks again, loved the exchange. Allow me to pin your comment.
Hybrids are worthless. Batteries take space, added complexity (more problems), add weight and costs (compared with pure ICE) while the electric range is often laughable for any real applications. Some manufacturers recognize this and are phasing out plug-ins from their line up. If you want to contribute to the environment, buy a bicycle.
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Un video maravilloso y muy instructivo estimado. Abrazos desde Colombia
Could NOT desagree MORE. Drove a Kia Hibrid. 62 Km in electric. What can you do with that ? Close to nothing. And you run out of battery you would do 8 ltr/100 km. The only useful case is if you do 40 km a day and charge at home AND do not make trips (both reasons MUST APPLY) Over 12 months I spent as much as with a Hyundai diesel for 20.000 km.
I would never buy a hybrid car. A hybrid car is like something you build in your backyard with junk parts. Complicated engine with 10,000 parts? Check. Exhaust system that costs $600 to repair? Check. Transmission that costs $1500 to service? Check. BATTERY RANGE SEVERELY COMPROMISED BY AN INCOMPETENT IDEA? Check. Still pollutes the air when you go on a trip? Check! Check! Check!
Not all hybrids are created equal. Series, Parallel, Series/Parallel, mild, etc. 9/10 most folks have no clue what they are saying about hybrids, PHEVs or EVs It's seriously too little too late now
Optimal Plug-in hybrid ownership assumes you have home charging, which typically means you have a single family home. That leaves renters out of the equation.
I agree. I’m one of those: I own but have a common underground garage and getting a charger is doable but expensive. That was one of the reasons why we got rid of our Model Y. My wife works within walking distance from both Tesla and EVGo and can charge while she works. Where the Plug-in hybrid can be the better option vs electric for us is all the driving that we do on weekends. But throughout the week she’d be purely driving electric as she works less than 2 miles from home. That’s why I mention that everyone’s situation is different. We could be just fine with a regular hybrid. PHEV prices and mark ups are crazy high right now. Thank you for watching my video.
Thousands of extra components pushing around extra weight and STILL polluting. Not a strong argument and the Tesla model Y being the top selling car in the world is the evidence of your minority position. Convenient for some maybe but you sacrifice the major benefits of the tech.
I lived with an MYP. Unlike other larger channels, I talk from the perspective of a driver who spends his hard earned money on cars. I loved the Y, but I felt it didn’t fit our lifestyle. That’s as fair as I can be. I made a video about the reasons for letting go of it. At min 1:30 I do say that an EV under certain circumstances can be the way to go. For MY lifestyle and driving habits, a PHEV is a better choice. I tried to explain how an EV, again, can be the friendliest for the environment and under certain circumstances as well. Example: my coworker drives a 3 to work and puts about 180 miles daily. Charges at home with solar. Has a family SUV for the weekends (not electric/hybrid/fuel cell). That’s gold! Unfortunately not everyone’s situation, certainly not mine.
@@JuanCarlosLTO Your title should have said "a better choice for me". But instead, you used a blanket statement that is demonstrably false on many fronts, of which, the health of the planet is paramount.
If cost is your focus, ICE or EV both beat out hybrids. There was a British study that showed the vast majority of plug-in hybrid owners rarely plugged in.
The performance argument was bad as well. Most hybrids are not fast. The Chevy Bolt could beat many if them, let alone EVs like Tesla makes.
The extra maintenance and odds of problems hybrids bring to the table makes it foolish. I see the logic when people say a ICE vehicle for $20,000 is better than many EVs.
Those government incentives you touched on do make a big difference. The Model 3 RWD I bought for $38,747 from Tesla in June will be getting me around $9,000 in savings between local and federal programs. At $30,000 it is very hard to beat owning an EV.
The part about people might not be ready for full EV so going hybrid is a bridge is very weak. Many EV owners are going straight from ICE to EV. It is not that hard to do.
Charging networks are expanding very rapidly. I charge at home, which saves me time going to a gas station.
Speaking of savings, no more oil changes every 5,000 miles, no more bi-annual SMOG tests (California for example on vehicles older that 6 yrs), and all that time saved.
Hybrids and hydrogen vehicles are a waste a do more damage to the environment. EV tech has greatly reduced "rare Earth" minerals, which those gas powered vehicles still use in things like catalytic converters.
Already EVs for under $20,000 are being sold in other parts of the world. We will see lower cost EVa in the USA over the next few years.
Speaking of the USA, it would be nice not to be under the thumb of OPEC. Keeping buying gas powered vehicles and that does not happen.
Isn't it nice that the top four most American vehicles are EVs. When look at labor and parts, Tesla Model Y, Model 3, Model X, and Model S, are the most American vehicles you can buy.
This hybrids are better opinion video is going to age very poorly.
Those remote places you mentioned, did you Tesla can put a charging station attached to solar panels and battery backup anywhere. Remote locations with no infrastructure for power can have something to power their EVs. In a pinch, you can use portable solar to recharge EVs if you manage to get stranded.
Let us be real, most American drivers do 40 miles or less a day. Most new EVs have over 200 miles of range. Most owners charge at home. These more extreme cases are rare.
Thank you for your great, constructive, comment. We don’t have to agree on everything. I took the time to answer each argument as deserved for having taken the time to watch my video.
Understand that I don’t want to convince you or anyone of anything. It’s my subjective opinion as subjective as any personal opinion inherently is.
If cost is your focus, ICE or EV both beat out hybrids. There was a British study that showed the vast majority of plug-in hybrid owners rarelv plugged in.
1 presented different aspects, not all of them. If owners rarely plug them that's on them. For example, I know many EV owners who have an alternate vehicle and use it for any scenario where fhe EV falls short in convenience. They love their EV's but again they have options. The PHEV gives you that. My wife's drive to work is so short and has chargers within yards. Over 90% of our driving is on weekends and the average weekend trip is north of 250 miles. Not only was is it 90% but it was 90% of a big number, 16000 in 9 months the second year, 10k the first year. So that was a lot of time off the road, charging.
Not the best scenario ESPECIALLY without a home charger.
On a side note, my coworker has owned a 3 since 2018 and bought a new RAV4 Prime and flipped it. He said he didn't like it because he felt he was charging it all the time. So again, every situation is different.
The performance argument was bad as well.
Most hybrids are not fast. The Chevy Bolt could beat many if them, let alone EVs like
Tesla makes.
Agree that most EV are generally quicker than hybrids and ICE cars. But they can be quicker than regular hybrids (which are generally slow when talking about what traditional hybrid applications used to be, which has changed with the implementation of hybrid technology on just about any passenger car now or even their ICE counterparts: example: the RAV4 Prime is the second fastest Toyota currently offered, second to the Supra.
And EV offer that instant torque for good or bad. That's why I wouldn't drive a FWD EV, the torque steer and wheel spin is ridiculous. AWD is the way to go or even RWD.
Tesla has redefined fast 0-60. What sports cars were doing 0-60 in the sub 6 second mark, Teslas have squashed those times even in their base models. So it makes other cars looks "slow" when they aren't.
The extra maintenance and odds of problems hybrids bring to the table makes it foolish.
(Agree despite what you see online, Teslas are super reliable. I can't speak for other EV's but (pure speculation) other brands don't have the knowledge at the dealership to deal with the EV part of their business, Tesla centers is all they do and they've been doing it for years.
Those government incentives you touched on do make a big difference. The Model 3 RWD I bought for $38,747 from Tesla in June will be getting me around $9,000 in savings between local and federal programs. At $30,000 it is very hard to beat owning an EV.
(Agree specially considering that the average price of a new car is north of $40k.
The part about people might not be ready for full EV so going hybrid is a bridge is very weak. Many EV owners are going straight from ICE to EV. It is not that hard to do.
Agree to disagree: I did. I have it a fair shot but I value convenience a lot, a lot. And driving my Y interstate many times even cross country made me long for the convenience of gassing up in minutes. If I was made out of money I'd have a second newer car that would give me the option. I didn't. (If you have time and interest, check the video where I talk about why we sold ours)
Charging networks are expanding very rapidly.
1 charge at home, which saves me time going to a gas station.
(Agree, ideal scenario, not all of us have the "luxury" of being able to charge at home)
Speaking of savings, no more oil changes every 5,000 miles, no more bi-annual SMOG tests (California for example on vehicles older that 6 yrs), and all that time saved.
(Agree, I do miss that about ours)
Hybrids and hydrogen vehicles are a waste a do more damage to the environment. EV tech has greatly reduced "rare Earth" minerals, which those gas powered vehicles still use in things like catalytic converters.
(This is way above my pay grade) l've given it a try to understand more about this. Actually the last generation Mirai was an option before we got the MY but opted out because of the hydrogen charging situation. I've read pros and cons on the technology and the environmental impact of the hydrogen production. 🤷🏻♂️
Already EVs for under $20,000 are being sold in other parts of the world. We will see lower cost EVa in the USA over the next few years. (Agree, even Tesla is coming out with a smaller offering) the challenge is still to increase the range in batteries that as of today is still linked to their size so smaller cars can only have so much range.
Speaking of the USA, it would be nice not to be under the thumb of
OPEC. Keeping buying gas powered vehicles and that does not happen. (Agree 100%) but again, as of today the charging network isn't there outside of Tesla.
Isn't it nice that the top four most American vehicles are EVs. When look at labor and parts, Tesla Model Y, Model 3, Model X, and Model S, are the most American vehicles you can buy. (Agree) sort of nice that some of the most technologically advanced cars are American)
This hybrids are better opinion video is going to age very poorly.
(We'll see about this one) PHEV are a very small percentage of vehicles sold today. Will their market share grow before potential federal regulation kills all sales of ICE cars? I don’t know. I sustain that I believe in their practicality of being both, an EV and ICE car when needed, hopefully not too often. The context is: are a better option for some, just like an EV can be or an ICE can be.
Those remote places you mentioned, did you Tesla can put a charging station attached to solar panels and battery backup anywhere.
But are they there as of today? Everything EV wise is evolving rapidly, infrastructure, technology, capabilities, expectations, pricing… and I can’t wait to see where it will be in 5, 10 years.
Remote locations with no infrastructure for power can have something to power their EVs In a pinch, you can use portable solar to recharge Vs if you manage to get stranded.
Right but, again... convenience, practicality ... the things that we Americans love. And I’m willing to sacrifice some at times. Selfishly, not all of the time.
Let us be real, most American drivers do 40 miles or less a day.
(Agree, average of 37 as I state on the video. I think this argument works more in my favor that if one falls within that category and charges overnight, could be driving mostly if not all electric throughout the week and have the practicality of an extended range when needed
Most new EVs have over 200 miles of range.
Most owners charge at home. These more extreme cases are rare.
I'm not sure I'd consider 20% of something "extreme"
Thanks again, loved the exchange. Allow me to pin your comment.
Hybrids are worthless. Batteries take space, added complexity (more problems), add weight and costs (compared with pure ICE) while the electric range is often laughable for any real applications. Some manufacturers recognize this and are phasing out plug-ins from their line up. If you want to contribute to the environment, buy a bicycle.
Un video maravilloso y muy instructivo estimado. Abrazos desde Colombia
Could NOT desagree MORE. Drove a Kia Hibrid. 62 Km in electric. What can you do with that ? Close to nothing. And you run out of battery you would do 8 ltr/100 km.
The only useful case is if you do 40 km a day and charge at home AND do not make trips (both reasons MUST APPLY)
Over 12 months I spent as much as with a Hyundai diesel for 20.000 km.
I would never buy a hybrid car. A hybrid car is like something you build in your backyard with junk parts. Complicated engine with 10,000 parts? Check. Exhaust system that costs $600 to repair? Check. Transmission that costs $1500 to service? Check. BATTERY RANGE SEVERELY COMPROMISED BY AN INCOMPETENT IDEA? Check. Still pollutes the air when you go on a trip? Check! Check! Check!
Not all hybrids are created equal. Series, Parallel, Series/Parallel, mild, etc.
9/10 most folks have no clue what they are saying about hybrids, PHEVs or EVs
It's seriously too little too late now
Optimal Plug-in hybrid ownership assumes you have home charging, which typically means you have a single family home. That leaves renters out of the equation.
I agree. I’m one of those: I own but have a common underground garage and getting a charger is doable but expensive. That was one of the reasons why we got rid of our Model Y.
My wife works within walking distance from both Tesla and EVGo and can charge while she works. Where the Plug-in hybrid can be the better option vs electric for us is all the driving that we do on weekends. But throughout the week she’d be purely driving electric as she works less than 2 miles from home.
That’s why I mention that everyone’s situation is different. We could be just fine with a regular hybrid. PHEV prices and mark ups are crazy high right now.
Thank you for watching my video.
Thousands of extra components pushing around extra weight and STILL polluting. Not a strong argument and the Tesla model Y being the top selling car in the world is the evidence of your minority position. Convenient for some maybe but you sacrifice the major benefits of the tech.
I lived with an MYP. Unlike other larger channels, I talk from the perspective of a driver who spends his hard earned money on cars. I loved the Y, but I felt it didn’t fit our lifestyle. That’s as fair as I can be. I made a video about the reasons for letting go of it.
At min 1:30 I do say that an EV under certain circumstances can be the way to go. For MY lifestyle and driving habits, a PHEV is a better choice.
I tried to explain how an EV, again, can be the friendliest for the environment and under certain circumstances as well. Example: my coworker drives a 3 to work and puts about 180 miles daily. Charges at home with solar. Has a family SUV for the weekends (not electric/hybrid/fuel cell). That’s gold! Unfortunately not everyone’s situation, certainly not mine.
@@JuanCarlosLTO Your title should have said "a better choice for me". But instead, you used a blanket statement that is demonstrably false on many fronts, of which, the health of the planet is paramount.