The train went into emergency at 4:40, full stop at 4:57. That is 17 seconds. Speed was probably only 35-40mph. It take exponentially longer as the speed increases.
Depends greatly on tonnage, number of cars and physical characteristics of the road. For example, a 10,000 ton 90 car coal drag is a lot harder to stop than a 10,000 ton 150 car mixed freight. More cars means more brakes for a given weight.
But the deceleration is still limited to steel-to-steel friction coefficient, so pretty lame compare to what the rubber should be able to offer. I can not help myself, but I do see there lazy job at loading...
When the engine crew “dynamites the switch” the metal brake shoes on each steel wheel of about 1100 lbs. fully sets by losing its 90 lbs of air instantly that was keeping the shoe from the wheel . This individual action times the number of cars can stop the train and cause flat spots on steel wheels. Also each draw~bar beginning at the ‘knuckle’ has a certain amount of telescoping/shock absorbing value, if I remember correctly. My Switchman days on the UP were over even before Operation Red~Block went into effect.....lol
That raises some serious questions about their procedures and protocols for securing and inspecting their loads, whether it was the railroad or the shipper who loaded the cars. There is no way an emergency stop should do that amount of damage.
If this was the amount of damage done to the external car, think about the sort of damage done between the cars inside. That's going to take some substantial cost to fix all those cars.
It doesn't take much to shift the loads. I've seen many an autorack in the hump yard knock the cars off the blocks at slow speeds. Somewhere well over 4 mph to about 10 mph
@@BossSpringsteen69 So they use nothing other then chocks? Geez! At least tie down the cars to the decks. If they're going to a hump yard, at least state a "Do not hump" label on the wagon if the load isn't tied down. It's hard to explain this, but it is easier for someone in a locomotive to have control over the speed at which wagons couple at compared to someone in a hump tower with only the ability to slow the wagons down (slow the wagons down too much and they will not couple, too fast and they risk damaging or spilling the load as well as damaging the wagon itself).
I worked a job unloading new vehicles from autoracks back in '86 and '87, I know exactly what it's like inside them. They were triple deckers for compact cars, double deck for trucks and larger vehicles. The vehicles are secured with ratcheting chain devices mounted in the floors of each deck the railcar, the ratchets are heavy blocks that slide in rails in the deck floor for position adjustment, the blocks are secured with spring loaded pins mating to holes in the rails. The vehicles are each chained down at 4 corners and the ratchets are tightened to pull the vehicle down on its suspension springs under tension. A 3/4" drive breaker bar is used to turn the ratchets to tighten them. They are held down with a lot of force and the chains and ratchets are very strong. If one vehicle comes loose, it might be caused by a bad ratchet or somebody failing to do a thorough job chaining down the vehicle. If a whole bunch of cargo breaks loose, that just plain takes a lot of force. We used to occasionally see some autoracks with badly damaged doors that looked like what you see here, they were still in use and we had to keep a railroad bar handy to pry them open. We used to see an occasional damaged vehicle. I never saw a whole train with multiple vehicles that broke loose, but probably would have if I had worked that job long enough.
I’ve worked unloading them for about 5 years now and they use plastic chocks now. No ratchets unless it’s a triple. Now it’s only on one side in the triple, front and back drive wheels. So this is pretty normal that they jump the chocks unfortunately
@@Kooooshball Sounds like it would at least be easier to unload them now. Back when I worked that job it was bust ass work, rain or shine, everything in that railcar was solid rust, and you were expected to be fast. the pay was not great either, but they did have health coverage benefits. Some cars broke easier than others and you could get a rhythm going on the easier ones. We'd smack the pin in the rusty old block and it would break and move under the tension, then sock the chain to skid the block a couple inches to make slack in the chain, then reach under to swing the hook out of the slot on the vehicle frame by feel without having to look at it. A lot of the time there was enough tension on the chain that the block would move far enough on the first break without having to sock the chain, as long as it was not too rusty. "A" deck on the triples was the worst, especially being 6'2''. Short guys have it better on that job, tall guys learn to keep low after a few bumps on the head. C deck has more headroom but gets hot up there in the summer and the tin roof could burn your shoulder in the days when they let us wear shorts and a wife beater or no shirt at all. Eventually they came up with uniform coveralls they made us wear, right before I quit.
How about securing the plates between the rail cars. That was the scariest part of the job for me as the autos were diving off as I got the plates installed. Many close calls.
I haven’t checked this channel in quite a while and needless to say I was shocked today when logged in and saw that this video has done as well as it has! Thank you to everyone that has watched it and liked it! Okay so let me go out here and say this as there has been some confusion. Me and kotabeaner (Dakota) filmed this train at the same time on the same platform. The train goes into emergency at 4:40
@MERCENARYREVY Because a coupler buckled causing separation of the railcars from the rest of the train, causing the brakes to automatically engage on the separated railcars.
@@RandomUser2401 What a bizarre comment! Engineers are required by law to blow a certain pattern ( - - . - ) as a warning every time they approach a grade crossing. Obviously that occurs frequently in urban settings, unless a municipality legislates an exemption. In rural areas it occurs only about once a mile or less.
You would think the cars would be chained in place in the auto racks for transport to prevent the very thing shown in the vid. It will be a heck of an insurance claim and payout.
They a re s trapped down at the wheels 1 strap per tire holding 2 to 3 tons each veh depending what they are. That is why you don't want to do emergency stops with trains or trucks. It could have been worse
@@robertscott5331 Railroads do not always crush the cars. Often they are donated to high school shops or other facilities like that so students can learn on them. The agreement usually stipulates the cars can never be made legal to register. It's not so much liability as it is that the car manufacturer does not want the railroad to pay for the cars and then sell a defective product.
This reminds me of when the man with the binoculars pulled the emergency cable inside Annie the orange coach in the episode Thomas and the Emergency Cable
We use to kick loaded auto racks in Richmond, CA. That all ended when kicked one and the vehicles inside were not chocked down at all. They came crashing out of the end and piled up inside. Rear wheels were sitting on the windshield of the next car. These were $100k BMW M class 740’s.
now back in the day we used to climb right up into those things when they would sit there unhooked unsecured and start them up turn on the air conditioning sometimes roll down the windows and just sit there and drain the battery listening to Tunes.. that was prior to all this crazy security and everything else circa 1978 through about 1985 lol. bring a chick in there with you get away with it some of those big two-door boats were like having sofas in the back. 😍😂
It shouldn't matter whether they were secured. The coefficient of friction between rubber tires and steel deck plates is higher than between steel wheels and steel rails. There should be no way the cars could slide if the only force acting on them is the pathetically inadequate deceleration rate of a train.
@@JasmineLindros it's about momentum you have a 5-9000lb object traveling along at for argument sake 40mph ... You then slam the object it's resting on into a sudden stop effectively reversing the direction it was traveling while the vehicle still trys to travel forward ...only way to prevent that it to tire strap each and every one
Since nobody is asking: why did he have to go into emergency brake? Prolly some yahoo going around crossing gates further down the line because where he was going was too important for him to wait. Now look at the damage....
Don’t feel bad about missing the problem; I needed to reverse and freeze several times before I saw what the man was talking about. The train is carrying cars (automobiles) in the containers. Many cars rolled into the front or rear of the container. They hit the ends hard enough to cause the container end to bend outward (bowed). Pause the video and look at the ends. They should be flat but several are bowed outward. It’s a huge “oops”.
PS: another video shows the damage fairly well (don’t know if same train but definitely the same problem.) search for “CSX Auto Train ...” by Millenniumforce. The thumbnail shows a car’s back end coming out of the container door.
@@helensarkisian7491 Helen, the cars hitting and bowing out the ends of the carriers is the result of the train going into emergency, not the cause of the accident.
Wow some insurance company wasn't too happy about this! I can tell you from loading and unloading autoracks that when we load cars onto the racks all we do is set the parking brake and emergency brake with wheel chocks on each wheel of the car. That's all that holds them down. No wheel straps or anything like that. If you look inside an autorack you'll see that the cars park on top of a grating that the wheel chocks inside lock into. The chocks are made out of hard plastic, the same type of plastic used to make handgun frames. So it would not take a whole lot of effort to bust the chocks and fling the cars inside around
That all happened because there is not enough ballast before the diamond. Notice the cars dipping up to the diamond. Diamonds are supposed to flex. There is no flex at the Plant City diamonds from any direction, that's why trains there are so loud. The buildings around the track add to the sound albeit, but the proof is in the rail head. The diamonds are bolted down so tight this causes excess wear to the track and wheels. I've looked at those diamonds and the rail coming off them, the rail is flattened out. Diamonds are supposed to have flex action. That's just old school mechanical track knowledge. I bet that little incident cost csx a pretty penny.
Thanks GE! For my money, as someone not associated with the rail industry, your comment was the most informative and enlightening of all in the replies. And there have been some very knowledgeable replies.
For the RR , its an Insurance write-off. For the dealerships its a little hammer work and some paint-stick. Good as new! lol, Figure @ 40 cars need some work at least!
Wow, my job involves loading and unloading cars onto these exact rails. Crazy to see how a sudden stop could do this much damage. No chock can hold a car down completely. I bet that was incredibly expensive because of whoever caused the stop
Chock no, chains yes. Just need bigger chains. We had to tie down our aircraft to the deck at all times, unless it was being moved. Of course that won't do any good if the tie down point fails, or the tow point isn't strong enough.
I worked at an auto auction that got former rental cars in by rail. The automobiles are normally chained down at multiple points. It’s a pain to unchain automobiles from 3 deck auto rail cars.
Having worked for an automobile tranportation company, I do not think this emergency stop did all this damage, unless the car and truck tie downs are just that flimsy. I suspect the autoracks were humped somewhere which is a definite NO in the industry. It is my experience if they were propertly tied down, then the cars that broke loose were totaled and in all likelyhood scrapped. Unless things have changed with the big automakers they could not even be used for parts because that leaves them liable in case anything happens (even years later) and it can be traced back to this. The ones responsible will be either the railroad (especially if the autoracks were humped and/or the company (companies) that loaded and tied down the vehicles at the assembly plants.
I'm not seeing the damage. NVMD, I get it now: the doors at the short ends of the cars are bent all to heck on some of them. I wouldn't want to be the insurance companies involved.
My dad, patriot and die-hard Chrysler man, ordered a custom Plymouth Reliant in 1980. Naturally, it may have been the last car transported by the Milwaukee Road, which at that time had more derailments than trains. But he got his car, did his duty to Chrysler, and had a puke yellow Plymouth Reliant with a red velour interior. But it was curiously delayed in delivery. I always suspected the train derailed, the car was damaged, the car was repaired, and nobody said nothing about it.
I'm glad to see they put shutters on the auto carriers now, or what ever those cars are. I remember the low-class kids in our school whipping ballast rocks at auto carriers when I was a kid, and I remember that one rich spoiled kid got arrested by the cops for it. His father was mulcted many $ for it, too.
The first train stopping in 11 / 12 seconds amazing ,didn't think possible at that speed, Hope every thing was okay and nobody hurt , for what ever reason that stop was for. M. Canada.
Well... there'll be plenty of new cars for automotive students to learn on. My school had a Buick Century that was on a truck that was run into a traffic light. Right into the roof and windshield.
Auto rack damage like this is probably more common today. Especially in railroad yards that have shut down their hump operations and gone back to old fashioned flat switching. Now, when auto racks are "kicked" they are more likely to exceed their "no more than 4 (mph)" coupling speed leading to a greater chance of a faster and harder joints with standing freight cars. Hard coupling speeds cause the automobiles to jump the chocks, run into each other and punch through the entrance/exit doors. Yeah, it's pricey damage, but perhaps it's considered "the price of doing business" in the railroad industry to get the cars out of the yard faster to their destinations.
Interesting that some are bulging and others aren't. Does that mean that the people that tied them down properly are not the same people that had the loads shift?
We would get donated cars from such accidents at Alief Center for Advanced Careers as does San Jacinto College in the Houston area. The manufacturers can't repair them and sell them as new. Insurance pays for the losses and there is a huge salvage value in them.
I realize this might be a dumb question, but why aren't auto racks designed in such a way that you could rigidly bolt or fasten the frame of the vehicle to the frame of the hauler and a system where it can automatically uncouple upon being ordered to do so by a main control system?
Just think,back in the 60s,these auto transports had absolutely no protection on the sides. Some new cars were objects of vandals pelting them with rocks along the way.Some cars became sleeping quarters for the homeless.
I’ve never seen a loaded freight train come to a complete stop in 10 to 12 seconds max, now that’s amazing to see and I can say that you definitely were in the right place at the right time.?? Not to sure CSX would be to sure that you were with the damaged that was caused but that was definitely a great catch. Awesome 👍👍
I thought it takes MILES to stop a large freight train. Nobody ever told me that a freight train could stop hard enough to send its cargo smashing through the bulkheads.
Emergency train stops happen all the time. You'd think they'd take Newton's laws of motion into account and have this all figured out. It's not like they stop on a dime. If the cars all simply had their emergency brakes on, I can't see how they would have shifted. Those who did the loading (car co. employees) certainly must bear the brunt of responsibility.
They used to run regularly run all Tropicana trains up from Florida to the north, but that no longer happens anymore. Just a few cars together here and there in a one of those "mixed bag" trains as I like to call them. Kinda sad that they no longer run such trains. Go look for a video about one of the last complete Tropicana trains from Distant Signal. He well documents the trains that come from and through southern Central Florida.
So a coupler buckled (why?) causing the back end of the train to separate from the rest of the train. Did the autos actually fall off the rail car? Now are they going to reverse another engine to hook up with the orphaned cars? Or will they be able to hook up because the coupler on the first car was buckled? And if so how do they get the first car off that track?
I would imagine millions of dollars worth of vehicles and they don’t tie them down? Or put adjustable across beans at bumpers height of each vehicles. Those 2 options seem cheaper than the insurance claims.
You should come to Alabama because we have a bunch of railroad tracks for BNSF Amtrak csx norfolk southern a few union Pacific railroads the Alabama short line and a few Kansas city southern trains
The new car carrier trailers for trucks are good , But guess the train car strapping system sucks ..... I've loaded truck car carriers with the newer trailers ...
And whence the liability removed from the caboose. That would include at least three railroad personell, added to the damaged freight. This doesn't include the possible loss of foward employees, brakeperson, engineer, and fireman. Head-end passenger cars were beefed up back in the old days because in immediate stops they would be crushed. Tain end cars a wee bit less since there is less weight behind them. This is awesome footage. And even though the videographer appoints attention a few auto-racks later, the one standing also on the diamond had its doors bulging... and the point where the attention is given to the first few auto-racks that buckled, that includes the compression those draft-centersprings take (albeit, I don't know how long those types of coupler shanks are) but give credit to Westinghouse... WABTEC, who recently bought GE Transportation... Again, I digress... but, thanks for the video. I liked it! John
Insurance Agent: I'm sorry Sir, you wrote off how many cars?
Railroad: Yes.
I've been watching trains for 35 years and that's the fastest I've ever seen a long loaded train come to a stop. I counted 10 seconds.
ever seen one with inductive breaks?
The train went into emergency at 4:40, full stop at 4:57. That is 17 seconds. Speed was probably only 35-40mph. It take exponentially longer as the speed increases.
This will keep RipTrack in overtime for awhile...
@@tiavor You mean electroniclly controlled pneumatic brakes? those are only on unit trains where all the cars are the same.
@@hughjardon5869 Still, that's pretty impressive as far as loaded mixed freight trains go
I’ve seen some many autorack trains. And I’ve also watched a lot online and I’ve never seen this much damage from an emergency stop.
The braking capacity of these trains is absolutely amazing considering their weight
you must remember all the wheel brake together .
@@michaeld53 The brakes set up sequentially throughout the train from the point of the air hose separation.
Depends greatly on tonnage, number of cars and physical characteristics of the road. For example, a 10,000 ton 90 car coal drag is a lot harder to stop than a 10,000 ton 150 car mixed freight. More cars means more brakes for a given weight.
But the deceleration is still limited to steel-to-steel friction coefficient, so pretty lame compare to what the rubber should be able to offer. I can not help myself, but I do see there lazy job at loading...
@@annaplojharova1400 With no more evidence than this video you have determined individuals were lazy?
That was one HELL of a buckle! I'm amazed it stopped that quick.
When the engine crew “dynamites the switch” the metal brake shoes on each steel wheel of about 1100 lbs. fully sets by losing its 90 lbs of air instantly that was keeping the shoe from the wheel . This individual action times the number of cars can stop the train and cause flat spots on steel wheels. Also each draw~bar beginning at the ‘knuckle’ has a certain amount of telescoping/shock absorbing value, if I remember correctly. My Switchman days on the UP were over even before Operation Red~Block went into effect.....lol
Might not have been the first seeing cars fly though autoracks, but it was the first time seeing a Mightyena painted onn the side of a train! 9:15
That raises some serious questions about their procedures and protocols for securing and inspecting their loads, whether it was the railroad or the shipper who loaded the cars. There is no way an emergency stop should do that amount of damage.
If this was the amount of damage done to the external car, think about the sort of damage done between the cars inside.
That's going to take some substantial cost to fix all those cars.
It doesn't take much to shift the loads. I've seen many an autorack in the hump yard knock the cars off the blocks at slow speeds. Somewhere well over 4 mph to about 10 mph
@@BossSpringsteen69 So they use nothing other then chocks? Geez! At least tie down the cars to the decks.
If they're going to a hump yard, at least state a "Do not hump" label on the wagon if the load isn't tied down. It's hard to explain this, but it is easier for someone in a locomotive to have control over the speed at which wagons couple at compared to someone in a hump tower with only the ability to slow the wagons down (slow the wagons down too much and they will not couple, too fast and they risk damaging or spilling the load as well as damaging the wagon itself).
@@BossSpringsteen69 thats funny cause you cant hump autoracks and humps will slow the car down
From what I've heard in other comments, the entire load is declared as totaled and crushed or donated to vocational schools.
I worked a job unloading new vehicles from autoracks back in '86 and '87, I know exactly what it's like inside them. They were triple deckers for compact cars, double deck for trucks and larger vehicles. The vehicles are secured with ratcheting chain devices mounted in the floors of each deck the railcar, the ratchets are heavy blocks that slide in rails in the deck floor for position adjustment, the blocks are secured with spring loaded pins mating to holes in the rails. The vehicles are each chained down at 4 corners and the ratchets are tightened to pull the vehicle down on its suspension springs under tension. A 3/4" drive breaker bar is used to turn the ratchets to tighten them. They are held down with a lot of force and the chains and ratchets are very strong. If one vehicle comes loose, it might be caused by a bad ratchet or somebody failing to do a thorough job chaining down the vehicle. If a whole bunch of cargo breaks loose, that just plain takes a lot of force. We used to occasionally see some autoracks with badly damaged doors that looked like what you see here, they were still in use and we had to keep a railroad bar handy to pry them open. We used to see an occasional damaged vehicle. I never saw a whole train with multiple vehicles that broke loose, but probably would have if I had worked that job long enough.
I’ve worked unloading them for about 5 years now and they use plastic chocks now. No ratchets unless it’s a triple. Now it’s only on one side in the triple, front and back drive wheels. So this is pretty normal that they jump the chocks unfortunately
@@Kooooshball Sounds like it would at least be easier to unload them now. Back when I worked that job it was bust ass work, rain or shine, everything in that railcar was solid rust, and you were expected to be fast. the pay was not great either, but they did have health coverage benefits.
Some cars broke easier than others and you could get a rhythm going on the easier ones. We'd smack the pin in the rusty old block and it would break and move under the tension, then sock the chain to skid the block a couple inches to make slack in the chain, then reach under to swing the hook out of the slot on the vehicle frame by feel without having to look at it. A lot of the time there was enough tension on the chain that the block would move far enough on the first break without having to sock the chain, as long as it was not too rusty.
"A" deck on the triples was the worst, especially being 6'2''. Short guys have it better on that job, tall guys learn to keep low after a few bumps on the head. C deck has more headroom but gets hot up there in the summer and the tin roof could burn your shoulder in the days when they let us wear shorts and a wife beater or no shirt at all. Eventually they came up with uniform coveralls they made us wear, right before I quit.
How about securing the plates between the rail cars. That was the scariest part of the job for me as the autos were diving off as I got the plates installed. Many close calls.
The vertigo working between the rail cars is hard to believe.
I was paid by the car. Every safety rule was broken. So dangerous. It should never be a non hourly non union job.
9:33 for thumbnail
You're a hero
Thanks 👍👍
I haven’t checked this channel in quite a while and needless to say I was shocked today when logged in and saw that this video has done as well as it has! Thank you to everyone that has watched it and liked it!
Okay so let me go out here and say this as there has been some confusion. Me and kotabeaner (Dakota) filmed this train at the same time on the same platform. The train goes into emergency at 4:40
Uh oh!
@MERCENARYREVY Because a coupler buckled causing separation of the railcars from the rest of the train, causing the brakes to automatically engage on the separated railcars.
Uh-huh I'm trying to see the problem here with the train
with Murican trains mindlessly honking all the time the hell out of their horns you never know when an actual emergency is happening.
@@RandomUser2401 What a bizarre comment! Engineers are required by law to blow a certain pattern ( - - . - ) as a warning every time they approach a grade crossing. Obviously that occurs frequently in urban settings, unless a municipality legislates an exemption. In rural areas it occurs only about once a mile or less.
It's a good thing they caught that in time. If them automobiles would've come out of those railcars that could've lead to a train derailment
The railroad knows there's damaged goods. Where do the autoracks go next - to the original destination, to a salvage yard, back to the factory?
Train experiencing Emergency brake application, when able to move again will observe Restricted Speed until the next signal.
You would think the cars would be chained in place in the auto racks for transport to prevent the very thing shown in the vid. It will be a heck of an insurance claim and payout.
MarksArk 1 those cars are held in place with wheelchocks some have straps that wrap over the tires. I’m glade I didn’t have to inspect those ones. Lol
They a re s trapped down at the wheels 1 strap per tire holding 2 to 3 tons each veh depending what they are. That is why you don't want to do emergency stops with trains or trucks. It could have been worse
railroads tend to be self-insured in situations like this. No insurance claim.
@@cdavid8139 CSX :" attention employees. We will offering a couple hundred new cars for sale that we acquired. Minor dings and dents"
@@robertscott5331 Railroads do not always crush the cars. Often they are donated to high school shops or other facilities like that so students can learn on them. The agreement usually stipulates the cars can never be made legal to register. It's not so much liability as it is that the car manufacturer does not want the railroad to pay for the cars and then sell a defective product.
At 8:50, after inspecting the train after an emergency application, he is required to proceed at restricted speed until clearing the next signal.
Length of the train.
Depends on whether it's in CTC, ABS and if PTC is cut in.
OMG look at the shunt that happened In between those two cars at 4:39
This reminds me of when the man with the binoculars pulled the emergency cable inside Annie the orange coach in the episode Thomas and the Emergency Cable
Thank you Bullrun. The sound is a symphony...best EVER!
We use to kick loaded auto racks in Richmond, CA. That all ended when kicked one and the vehicles inside were not chocked down at all. They came crashing out of the end and piled up inside. Rear wheels were sitting on the windshield of the next car. These were $100k BMW M class 740’s.
Did you keep your Job Insurance current ?
I was Always under the Impression that these Vehicles were Secured inside the Auto Racks. 🧐
now back in the day we used to climb right up into those things when they would sit there unhooked unsecured and start them up turn on the air conditioning sometimes roll down the windows and just sit there and drain the battery listening to Tunes..
that was prior to all this crazy security and everything else circa 1978 through about 1985 lol.
bring a chick in there with you get away with it some of those big two-door boats were like having sofas in the back. 😍😂
It shouldn't matter whether they were secured. The coefficient of friction between rubber tires and steel deck plates is higher than between steel wheels and steel rails. There should be no way the cars could slide if the only force acting on them is the pathetically inadequate deceleration rate of a train.
@@JasmineLindros And nevertheless, it happend.
@@JasmineLindros it's about momentum you have a 5-9000lb object traveling along at for argument sake 40mph ... You then slam the object it's resting on into a sudden stop effectively reversing the direction it was traveling while the vehicle still trys to travel forward ...only way to prevent that it to tire strap each and every one
My question is who foots the bill as CSX receives these with the doors secured as they are loaded at the plant.
i never knew the cars could get damaged so much from braking
When the emergency gets slammed on and there are a few other circumstances, yep they can.
Slack.
Since nobody is asking: why did he have to go into emergency brake? Prolly some yahoo going around crossing gates further down the line because where he was going was too important for him to wait. Now look at the damage....
Don’t feel bad about missing the problem; I needed to reverse and freeze several times before I saw what the man was talking about. The train is carrying cars (automobiles) in the containers. Many cars rolled into the front or rear of the container. They hit the ends hard enough to cause the container end to bend outward (bowed). Pause the video and look at the ends. They should be flat but several are bowed outward. It’s a huge “oops”.
PS: another video shows the damage fairly well (don’t know if same train but definitely the same problem.) search for “CSX Auto Train ...” by Millenniumforce. The thumbnail shows a car’s back end coming out of the container door.
@@helensarkisian7491 Helen, the cars hitting and bowing out the ends of the carriers is the result of the train going into emergency, not the cause of the accident.
Fireguy97 : I missed that bit. I’m sure someone got a good verbal spanking for that - or at least should have.
Apparently a coupler buckled causing the train to separate and an automatic emergency stop on the separated cars
The revenge of the train on the cars that replaced them, perhaps.
Er, trains have been around for a lot longer than cars.
Non-railfans know nothing about trains
Someone definitely lost their job!
I know the song intro: Simple Man by Shinedown(if it is the Shinedown cover)
Wow some insurance company wasn't too happy about this! I can tell you from loading and unloading autoracks that when we load cars onto the racks all we do is set the parking brake and emergency brake with wheel chocks on each wheel of the car. That's all that holds them down. No wheel straps or anything like that. If you look inside an autorack you'll see that the cars park on top of a grating that the wheel chocks inside lock into. The chocks are made out of hard plastic, the same type of plastic used to make handgun frames. So it would not take a whole lot of effort to bust the chocks and fling the cars inside around
That all happened because there is not enough ballast before the diamond. Notice the cars dipping up to the diamond.
Diamonds are supposed to flex. There is no flex at the Plant City diamonds from any direction, that's why trains there are
so loud. The buildings around the track add to the sound albeit, but the proof is in the rail head. The diamonds are bolted down
so tight this causes excess wear to the track and wheels. I've looked at those diamonds and the rail coming off them,
the rail is flattened out. Diamonds are supposed to have flex action. That's just old school mechanical track knowledge.
I bet that little incident cost csx a pretty penny.
Thanks GE! For my money, as someone not associated with the rail industry, your comment was the most informative and enlightening of all in the replies. And there have been some very knowledgeable replies.
It should. “Errors” like this drives up the price of already overpriced vehicles.
I see a dealership scam in these cars future. Anyone wanna buy brand new, crashed cars?
I'll take two. It's better than an autorack flipped on it's side.
@@BossSpringsteen69 truth.
They don’t throw them away
No thanx!
For the RR , its an Insurance write-off. For the dealerships its a little hammer work and some paint-stick. Good as new! lol, Figure @ 40 cars need some work at least!
The night scene is ✨beautiful ✨with the horns bellowing in the dark! 👩🏾🦳👍🏾 ❤️
Guess they don't get chocked or chained. 🤦♂️
Wow, my job involves loading and unloading cars onto these exact rails. Crazy to see how a sudden stop could do this much damage. No chock can hold a car down completely. I bet that was incredibly expensive because of whoever caused the stop
are you union or no
Chock no, chains yes. Just need bigger chains. We had to tie down our aircraft to the deck at all times, unless it was being moved. Of course that won't do any good if the tie down point fails, or the tow point isn't strong enough.
The hardest miles a new car will travel is between the factory and the showroom.
Excellent job. Exclusive as you were filming this. I was well into it. Well done. 🙂
I worked at an auto auction that got former rental cars in by rail. The automobiles are normally chained down at multiple points. It’s a pain to unchain automobiles from 3 deck auto rail cars.
Here in NJ the Tropicana train would drop its load at the warehouse in Jersey city NJ.
The amount of damage done with that E-stop was AMAZING!
Having worked for an automobile tranportation company, I do not think this emergency stop did all this damage, unless the car and truck tie downs are just that flimsy. I suspect the autoracks were humped somewhere which is a definite NO in the industry. It is my experience if they were propertly tied down, then the cars that broke loose were totaled and in all likelyhood scrapped. Unless things have changed with the big automakers they could not even be used for parts because that leaves them liable in case anything happens (even years later) and it can be traced back to this. The ones responsible will be either the railroad (especially if the autoracks were humped and/or the company (companies) that loaded and tied down the vehicles at the assembly plants.
The screech is so harmonic!
Has anybody else here seen CSX 5367?
I'm not seeing the damage. NVMD, I get it now: the doors at the short ends of the cars are bent all to heck on some of them. I wouldn't want to be the insurance companies involved.
Hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage? Millions maybe? Looked like most of the auto racks were damaged and some expensive looking SUVs in them
9:31 cars poking thru
Uh oh. Better get Maaco.
That’s the diamond that millenniumforce films at!
The noises from 4:46 until the train stops could be a cool ending for a song! 😁👍
In a word "WOW". Super catch my friend.
Thanks for sharing! :)
Yea good catches and video
Sorry about that freight having trouble with it auto rack cars at the beginning that when into an emergency
And they say trains cant stop fast
It all depends on TPOB. "Ton Per Operating Brake"
Excuse me mr. train driver, do you think you can get my shipment of cars here in one piece this time?
Train driver: I’ll try my best 🤞😉
Very nice catch. Out of all the train videos I've watched I've never seen this happen. A lot of damage to those auto racks and the cars in them.
Hes restricted because he went in emergency, you have to do it for 1 train length. Not because if the shifted load
So did vehicles break loose when the train started slowing down? Or is that why the train slowed down originally?
My dad, patriot and die-hard Chrysler man, ordered a custom Plymouth Reliant in 1980. Naturally, it may have been the last car transported by the Milwaukee Road, which at that time had more derailments than trains. But he got his car, did his duty to Chrysler, and had a puke yellow Plymouth Reliant with a red velour interior. But it was curiously delayed in delivery. I always suspected the train derailed, the car was damaged, the car was repaired, and nobody said nothing about it.
Who fixed the car?
Who else thought that those autos were secured inside those auto racks?
Well they should have secured, but demolishing cars and goods is cheaper.
I'm glad to see they put shutters on the auto carriers now, or what ever those cars are. I remember the low-class kids in our school whipping ballast rocks at auto carriers when I was a kid, and I remember that one rich spoiled kid got arrested by the cops for it. His father was mulcted many $ for it, too.
The Interlocking tower/switchman's shack is older than every single piece of rolling stock on the whole train.
The first train stopping in 11 / 12 seconds amazing ,didn't think possible at that speed, Hope every thing was okay and nobody hurt , for what ever reason that stop was for. M. Canada.
How many air bag sensors and front bumpers, air bags, air bag computers, rear bumpers and hitches?
damn this guy knows his trains i wouldn't know what to look for
I don’t get it what’s wrong. Am I missing the point ❓❓😢
I wonder if the dealership will show them the Carfax
Well... there'll be plenty of new cars for automotive students to learn on. My school had a Buick Century that was on a truck that was run into a traffic light. Right into the roof and windshield.
Auto rack damage like this is probably more common today. Especially in railroad yards that have shut down their hump operations and gone back to old fashioned flat switching. Now, when auto racks are "kicked" they are more likely to exceed their "no more than 4 (mph)" coupling speed leading to a greater chance of a faster and harder joints with standing freight cars. Hard coupling speeds cause the automobiles to jump the chocks, run into each other and punch through the entrance/exit doors. Yeah, it's pricey damage, but perhaps it's considered "the price of doing business" in the railroad industry to get the cars out of the yard faster to their destinations.
Thanks Hunter Harrison
The autos rolled over the chocks. The chocks were not designed to restrain that many forward Gs.
I like to play this at 2x and pretend our rail network is actually timely.
that was a very sudden stop. a lot of slack in those cars.
That Was Cool To See That Man!
Interesting that some are bulging and others aren't. Does that mean that the people that tied them down properly are not the same people that had the loads shift?
So are all of the damaged cars going to have to go under the rail roads insurance
As far as I know that’s how it works.
Generally Class I railroads tend to be self insured in incidents like this. No insurance claim.
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@@cdavid8139 you are absolutely correct on this
@@InsituProductions yep thats how it works
We would get donated cars from such accidents at Alief Center for Advanced Careers as does San Jacinto College in the Houston area. The manufacturers can't repair them and sell them as new. Insurance pays for the losses and there is a huge salvage value in them.
4:38 the brake was on emergency stop
I realize this might be a dumb question, but why aren't auto racks designed in such a way that you could rigidly bolt or fasten the frame of the vehicle to the frame of the hauler and a system where it can automatically uncouple upon being ordered to do so by a main control system?
A multi million dollar incident. Someone is going to pay for this.
Ik who will the people driving the train will
yep... CSX
I live near a BNSF railhead. Freight on and off all day. Not close enough to shake my house, just some noise. Love to watch em tho.
Just think,back in the 60s,these auto transports had absolutely no protection on the sides. Some new
cars were objects of vandals pelting them with rocks along the way.Some cars became sleeping quarters for the homeless.
The sound of the screeching tho it’s satasfiying
I have been watching train for like an hour this is the fastest train I have ever seen stop
15:00 - hey im thirsty for some Orange Juice now, dammit!
Late reply, but do you have any?
For the first vantage point you could see the tracks bending under the weight of the train cars.
Wonderful to see when everything is just fine. But if its not, oh boy what a mess
Welp, now I feel bad for the insurance claim adjusters who had to look at all those cars... yikes.
I’ve never seen a loaded freight train come to a complete stop in 10 to 12 seconds max, now that’s amazing to see and I can say that you definitely were in the right place at the right time.?? Not to sure CSX would be to sure that you were with the damaged that was caused but that was definitely a great catch. Awesome 👍👍
huh?
It's incredible those doors are so strong that no cars busy completely through them.
9:33 its outside the train
I thought it takes MILES to stop a large freight train. Nobody ever told me that a freight train could stop hard enough to send its cargo smashing through the bulkheads.
Because when the train stopped some of the cars were damaged at the bottom
Imagine all that damage that we don't see. If the cars in front hit the inside, I would think all the cars hit the one in front of it.
Are the cars not chained down or do they load them and just leave them in neutral?
When the taggers are spray painting their message on the cars do the cars inside get spray painted too? Just curious.
unfortunately yes
The train that went into emergency had more fallen flags and unique cars that I have seen together in the past 45 years.
Emergency train stops happen all the time. You'd think they'd take Newton's laws of motion into account and have this all figured out. It's not like they stop on a dime. If the cars all simply had their emergency brakes on, I can't see how they would have shifted. Those who did the loading (car co. employees) certainly must bear the brunt of responsibility.
Where is this Dimond crossing for the first video ? Your video is great getting all those trains in there thanks keep up the great work.
Yup, those brakes are work just fine.
_Maybe even a little _*_too_*_ well._
Great catch
Thank you!
Wow, at the 15:00 mark, a Tropicana unit train. Never seen one of those before. All reefers, right?
Is there a spot to ride on the juice cars?
Any OJ spilled and dripping.......no!
They used to run regularly run all Tropicana trains up from Florida to the north, but that no longer happens anymore. Just a few cars together here and there in a one of those "mixed bag" trains as I like to call them. Kinda sad that they no longer run such trains. Go look for a video about one of the last complete Tropicana trains from Distant Signal. He well documents the trains that come from and through southern Central Florida.
Insurance company is probably like damn it......
Oh man, the insurance cost on that.
So a coupler buckled (why?) causing the back end of the train to separate from the rest of the train. Did the autos actually fall off the rail car? Now are they going to reverse another engine to hook up with the orphaned cars? Or will they be able to hook up because the coupler on the first car was buckled? And if so how do they get the first car off that track?
All the auto car rails that start with ETTX are three level rail cars, the TTGX rail cars are two level rail cars.
I would imagine millions of dollars worth of vehicles and they don’t tie them down? Or put adjustable across beans at bumpers height of each vehicles. Those 2 options seem cheaper than the insurance claims.
You should come to Alabama because we have a bunch of railroad tracks for BNSF Amtrak csx norfolk southern a few union Pacific railroads the Alabama short line and a few Kansas city southern trains
I’ve buffed a little bit in Alabama, shot some shortlines. I don’t. Really film trains anymore but I’ve got an idea for videos here soon.
The new car carrier trailers for trucks are good , But guess the train car strapping system sucks ..... I've loaded truck car carriers with the newer trailers ...
O my God,this is absolutley Danger.😱😱
And whence the liability removed from the caboose. That would include at least three railroad personell, added to the damaged freight. This doesn't include the possible loss of foward employees, brakeperson, engineer, and fireman. Head-end passenger cars were beefed up back in the old days because in immediate stops they would be crushed. Tain end cars a wee bit less since there is less weight behind them.
This is awesome footage. And even though the videographer appoints attention a few auto-racks later, the one standing also on the diamond had its doors bulging... and the point where the attention is given to the first few auto-racks that buckled, that includes the compression those draft-centersprings take (albeit, I don't know how long those types of coupler shanks are) but give credit to Westinghouse... WABTEC, who recently bought GE Transportation...
Again, I digress... but, thanks for the video. I liked it! John
Caboose? fireman? Freight crew now days is often just Engineer and Conductor.