Operate Actions Properly 9 30 20
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Because we’ve gotten a lot of calls and emails from clients and prospective clients that seem to be having trouble with their Model 70 actions, for the most part, but other actions also, Randy is talking about why the Model 70 actions and others, must be operated for the way they were designed, not some preconceived idea of how someone thinks it should be, despite evidence to the contrary.
In this video he uses a pre-64 Model 70 to demonstrate how NOT to operate the action to feed the cartridges and how to properly work this action, and others. He also covers other bolt action rifles, and lever action rifles.
If you have issues you can’t correct, Randy would be glad to trouble shoot issues for you, but without a rifle in hand, it is impractical to thoroughly diagnose issues with a rifle, as there may be things a client overlooks in relaying information about the rifle and issue in question.
God bless!
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This video reminds me of what my good friend use to say, “The problem with most rifles is the nut that holds the stock!”. Great video and I really like your straight forward style!!
My dad showed me how to work a rifle action many, many years ago. His words were very similar to yours. "Work it like you mean it". He also said that this applies to every thing you do in life.
The world would be a better place if Randy was everyone’s grandpa.
Thank you Randy, after 40 years of hunting and shooting, I learned something new tonight, that being how to release the firing pin when closing the bolt before storing or any other reason. Thanks again.
Randy, you can explain something to someone but you can't understand it for them! Great video, Sir!
He is trying to explain what is not true
He’s explaining everything that is true. Bolt guns aren’t designed for this style of shooting that people watch others do on the bench or in movies where you work it extra slow to “save empty brass”. Yeah, I’m sure one more of the absolute best and most experienced gunsmiths in the world is telling lies. Lol.
@@marcogram1216 yes he knows exactly what he is talking about.
Well he does a pretty good job of making it easy to understand
Hello Randy, I’m an amateur when it comes to bolt rifles. When I purchased my model 70’s in .243 Win and .270 Win, I was intrigued into watching how the control round feed system worked. I started to slow cycle my .270 and saw a nice quick snap as the rim was snapped up under the claw before closing the bolt. When I got to my short action model 70 in .243 I noticed the positive snapping of the cartridge under the claw just didn’t seem to work when slow cycling the bolt. I thought about this for sometime and concluded that the shorter length of the .243’s case doesn’t teeter the rim end as high up when engaging the angle of the chamber. This would cause the shorter length action cartridge to not engage with a snap under the claw when the bolt was slow cycled. The bolt could be pulled back without the cartridge attached to the bolt as with the longer action .270. So yes I came to realize that a normal full quicker cycle was necessary to get the proper inertia to snap the shorter action .243 round under the claw of this controlled Round Feed design. Not that I ever intended on slow cycling either of these two bolt guns when actually shooting, but rather my initial studying of the CR feed mechanism mechanics when slow cycling out of curiosity had falsely led me to believe I might have had a issue with the rifle action, when in fact I didn’t.
Thanks for sharing your wisdom with us Randy, it is much appreciated. 🙂👍
It’s because you are the only one I have seen in the longest time who actually gives a tutorial on how to operate a manual operated rifle. Old school rifle men culture is dying out , I see it on the range every day.
A lot has to do with many shooters are thinking they are all little John Wicks .,People are to proud to learn when they buy a gun and most safety officers on ranges are not trained enough in gun use , its all about safety. Keep it up and many more happy years.
It is not only sad but also scary that most people nowdays did not grow up with guns and people that hunt/shoot but now own guns. Ignorance is not much of an excuse though what with instant information at ones finger tips. After 50 plus years in the business I'm sure you've heard and seen it all though (frustrating I know) ! Thanks TRG for another great & informative video that I can forward to some newbies !
I was an auto mechanic for over 30 years. People would ask where I got information from and I would reply that it was in the book that nobody reads....... the owners manual in the glove box.
Thank you for posting this video. I have a Win-70 in .375 H&H. I bought it in the '70s, so it's a push-feed style rather than a controlled-feed. So far it has worked flawlessly. I've killed charging bowling pins at 200 yards with it, shooting from offhand. One advantage I can see with the pushfeed is that I can put three rounds in the magazine, and then slip a fourth into the chamber and get the bolt to close over it.
This is refreshing. I like the basics, and I forget how I learned how to do it correctly. It's easy to overlook these items with new shooters who we want to teach...like my own children.
Rifle doctor... you should patent that. Love the channel. By the way me too. Nobody ever had to show me how to work a bolt or lever action.
It's a poor craftsman who blames his tools, or the creator of his tools. I always learn a ton from your videos! Thank you sir.
I hunted with my dad since I could walk. He took me from when I was 3 walking through brush over my head and through stickers for miles and he says I never once complained. Complain? I loved every minute! I also carried a miniaturized bolt action .22. I have since grown my collection to include several CRF and push feed rifles.
Knowing how to use them since I was a baby means it is like second nature for me.
I wonder if people who don't know how to use a rifle properly also don't know how to vote properly? Let's hope that's not the case!
I'm hoping to send you a Southgate Weatherby Mauser 98 .300 WBY someday to have it Randyized before I get too old to use it!
I very much like my older Marlin 336 in 30-30 but it definitely feeds better the faster I work the lever.
Totally unrelated, but I believe Ruger's purchase of Marlin in the bankruptcy auction is excellent news.
What? No magic wand! Lol. Love this guy.
I love your demeanor.
Almost never do I make a comment at YT. This is a notable exception. I totally identify with what you're saying. I find myself saying same. Golf claps.
Great video Randy and thanks for producing these informative videos. I was never told to hold the trigger in while closing the bolt on an empty chamber, I was told to just pull the trigger after ensuring that the chamber is empty.
You've done a great service to the shooting community with this video. Thanks.
Randy my husband fully understands what your saying. He works on rifles and scopes . Like your saying you can't fix stupid! Keep the good videos coming. Keep telling it like it is.
I have been shooting bolt actions for years and didn’t know that I was supposed to be running the bolt so fast. I knew they can be operated fast but I learn something new all the time. That explains a feeding issue I’ve had.
Another great video! Really appreciate you taking time to share your knowledge with us. I learned this the hard way over 40 years ago. I was using my dad's Sako and failed to run the bolt far enough back to eject the spent case I just ran it back in . I missed with the first shot and was try for the second only to get a click from the firing pin. He basically told me this same lesson.
God bless you and your family.
dad always said to move with a purpose in all that you do. he is former a sniper of 1st battalion 75th regiment airborn ranger. im 29 years old been shooting since my 4th year, i look like am expert compared to many i see at the range, that is sad, thank you for doing what alot of fathers could not or would not do. help build our gun and gun safety culture back up.
Great video sir I could sit and learn from you all day wish I was able to watch you build rifles you have so much knowledge about firearms and how to be a real sportsman.God bless
if we had more people like Randy, we would be in very good hands
Even though I know how to feed my rifle properly I still like to hear you talk! More then once I've had people say.. gee you operate that hard . I say well it's a WW2 Mauser it's ment to be used hard
Thank you Randy for all of your generous wisdom
I preach this over and over and it never sticks with most people.
Thanks for saying this! It irks me beyond words when a man screws up and blames everyone else for his actions!
I like that you all the time speak strait! No bull! Regards from Scandinavia, Sweden. Per Lindqvist
Well said Sir! Thank you for sharing your knowledge! You and gunblue are the best!!
Great channel. I used to shoot service rifle matches with a fellow that at one time was the Captain of the USMC shooting team. He would run the bolt on a model 1903 Springfield rifle almost as fast as the gas operated Garand rifles cycled. He definitely worked it like he meant it! He'd clean slate that 600 yard slow fire prone target with that rifle also!
This would be a fine business if it weren't for all the darned customers...
Love your videos randy thanks.. my ol man had your demeanor, and my skin is thicker because of it. But some of the younger generations have never been yelled at, or occasionally smacked for doing wrong 😳 Maybe you could use a P.R. person. 🇺🇲 merica
Great video sir 👍👍 I’ve had conversations with people who think the bullet follows the crosshairs...frustrating lol
Well i'll be damned ! I cant believe I didnt know about "finger on the trigger then closing the bolt" as to not cocking the FP. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT ! I am learning so much from your videos , youre awesome Randy !
I grew up with Mauser rifles. Started shooting with a 7X57 93 action and 6.5X55 SW 96 action and when I hand a 6.5X55 SW M96 to someone they are really lost. It takes a demonstration to get them to understand how a cock on close Mauser works. They even have trouble with a M98 Mauser action rifle. I think you did a good job Randy! It should be simple but it does take some people time when they didn't learn these things as a kid. Keep up the good work!
Great video as always! You can't fix stupid! I used to volunteer years ago at a public rifle range. It was amazing how many people had no idea what they were doing. You could sit them down and explain to them how to use their particular firearm until you were blue in the face. Ten minutes later they were dumbfounded AGAIN! It was actually scary! I can see and hear your aggravation. I LOVE ALL YOUR VIDEOS! Keep them coming!
It really really simple Randy I have been able the operate a bolt action rifle push and control feed since I was old enough to shoot one it not rocket science simple to operate I can't believe someone would put the blame on the gun smith because they don't know how a bolt action rifle work maybe they shouldn't be using a bolt action rifle to begin with lol any way thank for sharing all of you're videos with us Randy & Cathy lots of love to you both happy hunting season as well. God bless every one !!!
A 270 model 70 Winchester is my primary hunting rifle and it is superb for a factory rifle. Never once have I ever had any problems with the action at all. It racks perfectly and ejects perfectly. I couldn't be happier and the only thing I had to do to that rifle was give it a good sensible trigger job.
Every person's gun hand is unique. Like fingerprints. Much easier to adjust the trigger rather than develop different hand motions, angles, etc.
Firearm operators keep you making money. Great information
Sometimes it's best for the old hand to educate the new hands with the bark left on the message! This is the way the lessons stick.. Thanks for the valuable knowledge!!!!!!!
Absolutely!
i thought you were going to say ..with the touch of the back hand ...lol
Thank you for the information. I have never had a feeding issue because I do exactly what you described is the correct way to cycle the bolt but I never new how to close a bolt without cocking it. I usually dry fire the gun to disengage the firing pin but now I know better. I store my guns with either the bolt out of the gun or have the action open. The only guns that I store with actions closed are my semiautomatic rifles to take the tension off of the recoil springs.
I think on some you can actually remove the bolt without decocking. If so, it should be decocked before removal.
How anyone that shoots at all doesn't know this is beyond me, hopefully you get them educated. I have the same problem in my trade, tell them do this don't do that, then something goes wrong after a build. It's my fault it failed, then after talking to them calmly I find out that they didn't do anything that I told them to follow after a build. This needs to be on national news to stop the idiot's and make them think about everything! Like your videos have a great day.
Chad High-Five Flexington was a bike mechanic for years. No more. Can’t deal with the people.
mr Randy Selby I love honest people and you are one of them! you simply cant fix stupid ! great video keep em coming!
This is a fantastic video! I was always told to run the bolt like you hate it! The bolt mechanism is designed and engineered to be worked hard and fast. Also, be careful not to short stroke the bolt after a shot is taken. That is a mistake that I have seen happen as well.
Thanks Randy I just went through my bolt actions pulled the bolt back squeezed a trigger and pushed the bolt in.
I guess it’s true some folks have more money than sense. But I must admit I did go check to see if all my guns were uncocked . Thanks
I see a lot of people operate their bolts slow at the range. Every now and then one guy will be complaining that his rifle sucks because it’s always having issues feeding and ejecting rounds. I don’t even bother anymore, I just chuckle.
You are so cool
I got 2 of Randys rifles that he has rebuilt for me they work and shoot great!
What calibers are they?
@@patrickslevin6424 264 and 270
And when the barrel goes on my 280al and in my300 ultra I will see if he wants to do them
@@williamhedtke6996 We had a truly inventive gunsmith in my hometown. Randy reminds me of him a lot. He'd get so frustrated with some questions that to him were rudimentary but to others they were on the edge of what they could comprehend. Sprague wouldn't hesitate to show how uninformed and not thought out the question was.
Randy is the real deal... listen to what he has to say.... He is right about most things.
I got one of your guns built for my son several years ago it's a Winchester 70 and it's the smoothest gun I've ever seen my little boy has never had it jam he has killed many elk and deer with it he is 16 years old now o and one antelope
I grew up with shotguns in my hand or 22s. And lever actions. In Ohio you couldn't use bolt action rifles for deer hunting until recently with straight wall cartridges. Learn from trial and error that slow feed didn't work as well as a fast consistent one. But I did not know about the one squeezing the trigger and placing the bolt back. Thanks again Randy for your video.
I don't think that is common knowledge, I don't ever recall anyone telling me to do it, in fact it's fairly recent I started doing it
Thanks for sharing your videos and keep them coming please.
Great video,some people just don’t have common since,I understand your aggravation.I appreciate your videos sir,hope you get a chance to put more out.
What astounds me is that people don't know this.... But you are right. I often get firearms brought to me in a cocked condition..... It's obvious that they have not had military training. I have that training but I knew this stuff even before that, or at least most of it.
The issue is almost always the "loose nut on the butt"...
Thank you very much Randy ! Finally I stop make a dry fire before I put my rifle in gun safe !
Very surprised you had to make a video on this subject.
I very much appreciate the time and effort you put into these videos, but I would like to speak up about 'common knowledge' of rifles from my experience. I grew up using certain rifles that were available to me, we only had a few. I learned how to use them by watching exactly how my dad used them. I wouldn't even say he taught me how to operate one, except how to put a lever action .22 on safety by controlling the hammer drop with your thumb (this might not even be the 'right' way). He learned from his brothers, they learned from their dad (he passed before my dad was very old). I have never operated a control feed bolt action rifle. We never had one. Also, I did not even know you could close the bolt without charging the firing pin. Every rifle we stored was empty, charged, and on safety. Now that you just taught me a better way, I will store them empty, and not charged. I will also teach my children and friends. This might sound silly to you, and I understand, but please be aware that many people like me are not idiots (by choice). We seek out knowledgeable people like you to learn information that was 'left out' of what we picked up along the way. I have never learned to operate a firearm by exploring; I learn by listening, reading, and watching videos like yours, then doing it myself. For example: I just learned from your video how to close a bolt properly on an empty gun, but I have no idea what any of my other actions do or don't do if I cycle them with the trigger held back. In closing I cannot thank you enough for teaching not just 'how' but also 'why'. Your videos are such a great source of information to me.
Great video Randy!
Yep... Just drop your purse when you pick up your rifle. Too bad there are so many people now days that don't understand anything mechanical.
I once had a lady bring me a pistol that was defective. It wouldn't function more than a couple rounds before jamming. I shot several magazines with no issues. I asked her to shoot a magazine so i could see what was going on. Her fingernails were interfering with her grip. I told her to cut the nails off and the gun will work fine. She was very upset that the gun wasn't the problem.
I know you stated in hunting context...I'm guessing people watch too many movies about snipers..Yes we sometimes will operate Rem 700's slowly during a stalk to keep the enemy from picking up our movement...That is only during a stalk though. If we have good distance and cover we pull the trigger, wait to move for impact, then run the bolt quick and smooth getting ready for corrections and another shot....Even in the case when we run them slower, it's still in a smooth motion as much as possible. You can be slow and smooth. Remember that's mainly a push feed rifle system that you can do that with... Control feed wants a faster pull and throw to run smooth.
Excellent video sir! Quite educational!! Thanks!
I definitely prefer my Savage 110 to the Montana 99 action I had built. The 99 is smooth if you move very carefully straight. The Savage never binds up.
No point to talking to Randy about much. He is always certain he is right.
A few things come to mind. #1 there those who will never understand the rocket science of common sense. #2 what do you mean I have to be smarter than my tool. #3 remember no matter how hard one may try you just can't fix stupid.
Great to know, and I’ll take your advice from now on. However I have a M77 control round feed and have for years while sighting it in or shooting at the range just dropped a cartridge into the chamber and closed the bolt. Never not even one time did I have a problem. I will from now on load the magazine then work the bolt to load a cartridge into battery. Thanks
Hope this helps: Even though the original M77s had a Mauser-style claw extractor, they were not technically controlled round feed rifles. Around 1991, the Mark II version introduced a controlled round feed style. The more current Hawkeye also retains the controlled round feed. I have never tried to drop a round and push in using my Mark II’s or Hawkeyes, so I can’t comment on it actually being able to happen (other than it wasn’t designed for drop-in).
@@ryanstines9748 Thanks for the response and your comment but I did fail to mention that mine is a MK II and is a control round feed action. I'm not disagreeing with anyone here, I'm just saying I have done multiple times with out ever having problems. I will in the future load cartridges from the magazine rather than dropping them in, it makes perfect sense and I guess I've just been lucky.
@@craiglacount89 I have done it with all my crf model 70's in fact for years I never knew anything about them not being able to load that way as mine always did I think my 416 Ruger would also, but can't recall for sure if i ever tried
Yes, the Ruger bolt actions are unusual in that regard. Also in other ways. It never quite registered with me why Ruger modified the action in those particular ways. Patents, I suppose.
Mr. Shelby, I feel your frustration. Unfortunately, common sense is not prevailing, and as you said, few people want to take responsibility. My dad taught me how to shoot shotguns and rifles, and I have taught my kids. That is my contribution. Perry P. Southern California
So true, I watched a guy at the range opening the lever on a 336 marlin and loading a single round in the chamber it’s a fairly small grove and looked pretty awkward. After the 5 round I ask him if the magazine spring was broken, he informed me it was a lever gun and didn’t have a magazine. After I showed him how to load the magazine tube he said he’s had that rifle for years and never knew it could do that.
Wow! I wonder what he thought the loading port on the side of the action was for?!? Guess he never read the owners manual or has never watched an episode of "The Rifleman" TV series from the early 1960's.
Amen!! Randy you are the man :) remember you cant fix stupid people they will always be broken. God bless you and yours, please keep the videos rolling I love you channel and learn so much
Randy, could you make a video explaining the three different bolt actions, how they function and maybe the history behind there designs.
I'll have Randy put it on his growing list. In the meantime, he did put out a video on push feed and controlled round feeds in the last year.
Thanks for watching!
P14 Action is both controlled round feed BUT yet you can drop a round into the action and it will happily snap over the rim. The best action ever.
With authority. Like your videos.
Great job Randy.
OOOO no, this terrible !!
People don't know how to use bolt action,this is very serious issue ....
Luckily for humanity, Randy will redeem us all
Mr. Selby
Sir, this was an OUTSTANDING VIDEO. You are RIGHT in being upset by MORONS. One would think that if a person had the financial means to have a CUSTOM RIFLE built, then they SHOULD have the mental capacity to know how to operate the rifle properly.
Sadly that us NOT the case for a large number of people in today's society. There are too many people that instead of learning how to properly use and operate a rifle, will blame ANYTHING that does not go completely correctly on either the ammunition, the scope, the scope rings, the rifle, the manufacturer, or the gunsmith. I honestly can not tell you how often I have seen this in the month leading up to BIG GAME seasons. As a hunter and shooter, I try to help them figure out the problem they are having.
Just a few weeks ago my son and I were checking zero before an upcoming Elk hunt and ran into a guy having trouble with his rifle.
The guy was trying to zero the rifle. Prior to US offering to help him out the guy had fired 35 rounds and was ALL OVER the place. There was NO CONSISTENCY in shot placement. We watched to see if he was jerking it moving or yanking the trigger, but he ACTUALLY had fine form and good trigger control. The ammunition was not the problem either, he was shooting brand new Hornady American Whitetail.. The rifle was new, Weatherby Vanguard II so I doubted it was the rifle. Scope was a new Leopold. I asked him if I could handle the rifle, and immediately saw the problem. LOOSE SCOPE RINGS.
The guy started telling me I was an IDIOT. There was NO WAY the rings were loose. HE had INSTALLED them HIMSELF!!!!!
He said he had mounted scopes of rifles for years and KNEW what he was doing. I was absolutely wrong. I knew nothing about rifles or scopes.
When my son asked him if he wanted to borrow a driver and a scope alignment system I thought the guy was going to either gave a heart attack or shoot us!!!!
Prime example of someone that can not accept the FACT they are not perfect.
It's unfortunate but in today's world there are lots of ignorant people. They don't know the things you do and can't pull something out of nothing. Agreed, by the time they buy a firearm like yours they probably should know......but I learn more every day and hope it never stops.
....these are indeed interesting times...well stated sir...God bless sir...
Oswald had it figured out back in '63
I like to cary my m98 with full magazine plus one in the chamber. I load one round in to the magazine and then chamber it. Then turn the rifle upside down and open the floor plate to drop the rest of the rounds in, making sure they stagger proper way for the follower. 👍
Amen sir!!! Always great commentary keep it up!!!
Besides engraving guns I also do a bit of gunsmithing. You cannot be a gun engraver without understanding the operation of guns and what parts do what. That said, the biggest problem I see with most people is not understanding their gun enough to know that cleaning it is essential to efficient operation. For example, I had a fellow bring me his Browning Auto 5 Sweet Sixteen and he told me it was jamming after the first round. Knowing that the gun had probably been disassembled and cleaned properly in, like, ever, I told him id have a look at it. Sure enough, when I got around to check the functionality I found it gummed up from years of oil that had turned to lacquer and it was loaded with dirt and burned powder. A good thorough cleaning and it functioned like a new gun. Clean you damn guns!
Preach brother .
Good job Randy keep up the good work!
not for long probably
The reason people cannot figure it out is because the movies and television are full of actors who have never touched a real firearm, haven't bothered to go to a range to learn, hate guns and hunting in real life, and are running around on screen with their 2000 round magazines, making fools of themselves and teaching kids to be fools too.
Good instructional video Mr. Selby.
My father gave me that exact speech 25 years ago about property operating your action because if you don’t it’s either the deer of a lifetime missed or your life if you don’t get it right!!!
I experienced this when i first shot a rem700, on the first shot. Issue was cycling the bolt (not jerkingly) but too slow.
I know how to cure the problem of people that don't know how to use their rifle. If the rifle don't work right, just give it to me. I'll make it work right. send me all yer bad Leupolds too! Lol!
Christ bless, Randy, and Thank You!
So basically, this is a 20 minute video about people with no common sense. This reminds me of an episode of the show The Rifleman. Lucas McCain shoots at a mountain lion that is ready to pounce on his son, and he misses. He is hell bent on blaming the gunsmith that had just gone over his rifle, and thinks the sights are not correct. Couldn't admit that he just missed.
I wish all bolt action rifles were just control round feed.
And I REALLY wish all rifles had BLADE Ejectors.
It makes Zero sense to me to have a tiny plunger on the face of the bolt, where crap builds up. Especially on an AR15, where all that gas is blowing onto the BCG.
AKs have blade ejectors, as do SKSs. Handguns have blade ejectors, even Ruger 10/22s have blade ejectors; but ARs have to have a tiny post, pin and spring (Plunger Ejector) to make the function of the rifle less reliable???
What is up with That!!
I know it is a supposed cost saving measure, but if this is the case, why don't they put plunger ejectors on all these other firearms.
It makes no sense to me.
Everything has a trade off, the push feed Remington 700 style are many times stronger than the crf styles as the complete shell head is enclosed in steel
I have seen people "milking" actions so they could keep the brass from hitting the ground. I don't know if it was because they're neat freaks, brass savers for reloading, or just worried about policing their brass and someone else getting them. I put a tarp down when I'm outside so cleanup is easier; and if inside, I let people know that I want my brass so they don't help themselves. Good luck and God bless.
Interesting information. Thank you.
I don’t know about people Randy sir they don’t listen
Awesome belt buckle!
I love this guy!
Hmmm. I leaned this they hard way when I was a kid by short cycling my 870 Wing Master. Not all bad- I leaned how to strip down a Wing Master in a hurry in a muddy field with a number of impatient adults waiting for me.
Great vid tyy
God this was great!! 100% truth
You can't help stupid! Great job Randy!!
I regret that I will not be able to buy a custom rifle from Mr. Selby himself. I don't make enough to do so. Knowing how much good custom rifles go for, it would take 10 years for me to be able to pay for one saving every extra penny I earn.
I guess us older shooter were schooled to NOT pussy foot around! Practicing shooting was paramount and included hitting a small target at at least a 100 yards 9 out if 10 shots. Untill that level of actual accuracy a .22 single shot was all we got to carry! Practicing my target aquisition with an unloaded gun is something I've found to help as well. Having been an avid upland bird and waterfowl hunter, honed my skill on so called snap shots. It's boom flop! If it flies it dies, if it runs it's done. Putting food on the table means 1. Not missing at least not missing very often( no one is infallible) and 2. Not wasting ammo!
My only regret us not getting out often enough as I've gotten older, 64.
Thanks