*CRAP! I apparently misspoke once along the way - a record low for me! 😂* Your towing capacity is not “GCWR-GVWR” but rather *GCWR-Vehicle Curb Weight* Sorry about that!!
Huh? Not very specific. So, (Vehicle) GCWR *minus* (Vehicle) Curb Weight? Please confirm. What will it be for a 2007 Kia Sportage V6? I have a 2010 KZ Sportsman w/GVWR of 2700#'s. Plz help, I'll be houseless in a month. Plz anybody. Thanks *IMPORTANT*
Following up on the @rosegarcia9963 question. In the video, at 12:30 you have the safe configuration. The truck GCWR is listed at 20,000lbs, the truck empty is at 6,800lbs, and the truck GVWR is 9,000lbs. Truck GCWR-truck empty = 13,200lbs and truck GCWR-truck GVWR = 11,000lbs. You have the tow capacity listed as 11,000lbs, which implies truck GCWR-truck GVWR. At 12:50 you have the unsafe configuration. The truck GCWR is listed at 16,000lbs, the truck empty is at 6,400lbs, and the truck GVWR is 8,000lbs. Truck GCWR-truck empty = 9,600lbs and truck GCWR-truck GVWR = 8,000lbs. Based on the safe configuration, the towing capacity of this truck is 8,000lbs, but in the video you have it listed as 10,000lbs (which is neither 8,000lbs nor 9,600lbs). Is that because a calculated towing capacity is different from a rated towing capacity, or is there an error in the graphic? Thanks for all the info you provide.
Like I've said before ( I think?) Working in the state park system and seeing it first hand, especially with the popularity growth of new campers I saw sooo many vehicle/camper setups WAY over loaded, and not by a little but by A LOT! We need more people in the industry to brute force this valuable information into newbies heads, and not some of these "salesmans" that just want the cash $$$ TO ALL THE NEWBIES THAT SEE THIS VIDEO/COMMENT PLEASE DO YOUR RESEARCH TO KEEP YOU SAFE AND OTHERS AROUND ON THE ROAD! Great video Josh
@@JoshtheRVNerd It's a small world isn't it? You've gone on to touch so many people in such a positive, purposeful way. You are an Amazing part of the Bishes team & all the folks new & not so much, 😀sourounding the RV industry. Roads are safer & RV life is easier with you in it Mr Nerd. A BIG Thanks for sharing all your experience & guidance . My exit is coming up, buy for now.
Finally, Finally, Finally someone has told the truth about 1/2 ton vehicle towing. Thank you! A must watch. Great explanation. Also, the info about airbags. Excellent!
This video should be REQUIRED watching for everyone who tows a camper. I am constantly sharing this video in the various FB groups I'm in because of the newbie questions being asked and the VERY bad advice being given!
This is probably the simplest and easiest to understand explanation of the weights involved with towing. It took me a few days of going through videos and doing math to figure out what you demonstrated in 30 seconds. Gotta love, good old uncle Josh.
I've entered the RV market as someone who never has owned a truck. Thanks for the informative and easy to follow video. I now feel confident I'll choose the right RV that is safe to tow.
This is the SMARTEST towing information on RV's that I have ever seen! Thank you. It put a LOT MORE good info in front of the customer. Thank you for putting SAFETY FIRST.
As a 30 year ASE master tech WELL DONE Josh. I couldnt have said it more clearly and with any sence then that. I hope I can use this for thos so called "well ive been doing it for year without a problem" people!!!!
TY so much. I wasn't taught any of this properly when I started and had to UN-learn so many bad teachings. I cringe as some of the historical towing advisory I gave people Just trying to be/do better now
@@JoshtheRVNerd Well we all need too learn somewhere , just hope it is not from are own demise. You just have put it in such a way that those that really dont get it, should. I dont know how many people ive tried too tell and they just dont unders stand past the "tow rating" . But i have a 30k tow rating so i can tow anything mentality.
Very good on explaining the weight stuff. One thing people can do is go to a large truck scale (Cat Scale) at truck stops and weight there tow vehicle fuel of gas but completely empty. Then after the pickup there trailer go back and weight the combination of the 2 before they load things up. This will give them a idea of how much they can load up with. Anyone can use the Cat Scales at truck stops. It's $7.00 the 1st weigh and $2.00 for a reweigh as long as you reweigh at the same scale you did the 1st weight at.
Josh, you did an amazing job here. 10/10 This will be the video to share with every one new and old to rving. Thanks for cutting threw the crap and helping us comprehend this.
Thanks for going over this again, as it can’t be stated enough. Unfortunately, this is an industry wide issue (truck and RV manufacturers). Neither sales or marketing teams seem to care about safety first. Two cases where I recently came across this: firstly, back in 2021 looking for a new truck with higher payload, called Ford dealer and inquired about F150 with Max Tow, and F250 or Ram 2500 options (small town they had both Ford and Ram dealers). When I explained the situation they were quick to point out very confidently that the new F150 can tow 14,000lbs. Secondly, my wife and I just went to the RV show in Calgary back in January, and as we’re walking into a Cougar “half ton” fifth wheel, I noticed the UVWR on the outside at some 10,000lbs and commented to my wife that “this will be too heavy”. The sales guy and I believe a Cougar rep sitting in the trailer overheard me and quickly quipped that “an F150 is all that’s needed to tow this”. I looked at him and fired back “no way I’m towing this with an F150”. He says “Ok, personal opinion”. Really? He didn’t even ask what I drive which is a Ram 2500 gas. And what do RV dealerships do to help truly determine if the vehicle someone had is the right vehicle? Why can’t a dealership actually weigh a “dry” trailer with two propane tanks and two batteries? You know they’re going to sell it to the purchaser anyway. I understand that other stuff put throughout the trailer will alter that hitch weight, but we also know ideally that you want that hitch weight at around 12%…adding the 200 lbs of propane and batteries to the front will help with getting a realistic number hitch weight. Just curious, what steps does Bish’s go through to completely verify everything is good before selling a trailer (check vehicles payload sticker, help customer determine/educate/understand trailer GVW, etc)- because the place I bought mine in Alberta does absolutely nothing. I won’t even bring up the trailer length, that should also be factored in, or where it’s expected to be towed (maybe a second video? That one is definitely more tricky). Anyway, as always your videos are fantastic, and your one of few that points these towing considerations out in ever video!
HA! Must have been the same salesman we saw at the Calgary RV show. He was bragging about how the Cougar "1/2 Ton" fifth wheels can be towed with a half ton. I wanted to get into it with him, but I just walked away. I wish manufacturers would stop calling their units by that name as it's very deceiving. We have an F150 and tow a Cougar 22 MLS and while this trailer is not super heavy at 7200 GVWR, its hitch weight is much higher than you would expect, with many owners reporting it at as much as 1100lbs. It's also a relatively high profile trailer. It's a good match with our F150, but I wouldn't want to go any heavier or longer. Especially when towing in the prairie winds we get around here! We just bought a new weight distribution hitch and went for the 1200# bars, just to be safe!
A friend told us, buy the trailer first, then buy your truck. Truer words were never spoken! We originally ordered a 11,000 GVW trailer and had a Ford F150. Our salesman said "that'll work great". Thanks heavens I did some research, traded the F150 into a F350 and have never been happier. Don't talk to the salesperson about your setup...talk to the people in the back that actually do the hitches and installations!
@@JoshtheRVNerd Well that works too! Thank you for your incredible videos. Me and my wife are true fans of yours! Keep it up. Especially the silly stuff too. We really enjoy your humor. Maybe incorporate some "Dad" jokes would be a winner too!
@@dougmorgan4983 I'm practically a walking dad joke lol I try to keep them under control so my videos don't end up being like an elevator and let you down
Coming from a teacher of 36 years, I must say this: Josh, you are a great teacher. Your ability to take a complex concept and break it down to the simplest and easy to understand terms. One thing that I learned over the years about towing trailers is cargo capacity is the ultimate limitation (in most cases). Sir, you nailed it, and likely saved lives in this video. This video should be required viewing for individuals new to rv'ing.
Josh, thank you for your video, and clear explanations. Everyone in the USA lives close (enough) to a weight station (usually they are not free, but, not expensive). Once loaded, a person who really wants to have the REAL AS-LOADED values for his/her tow vehicle & trailer will make the effort to get weighed. Being over the published limits for the tow vehicle and / or the trailer can have considerable safety and legal consequences. Again, thank you.
Another great video Josh. I have already shared this with some friends considering a TT. Two good pieces of advice (that I think is safe) given to me was 1) never tow anything longer than 25' or anything over 6000 lbs with a 1/2 ton pick up. 2) You will most likely run out of payload capacity before your towing capacity. Also, look for a yellow sticker near your weight stickers for any payload adjustments from the manufacturer. I lost 118 lbs in PL capacity due to sidesteps and upgraded rims. Thanks again!
Tongue weight concerns is exactly why i purchased Weigh Safe True Tow hitch for my toyhauler. Good explanation. I say a person will most likely bump up against cargo capacity long before max towing. I see on forums all the time where people are looking at the actual hitch rating and assuming that means the truck is rated for that same #. Not so much!
Good video to keep people thinking and safe, I know someone who got caught up in a fifth wheel buying situation. They went to a dealer picked out a fifth wheel trailer they liked, asked the sales person if a half ton pickup would be capable to tow it, salesman response was sure it will. They went out bought a new half ton pickup, went and picked up the new trailer and experienced an overloaded pickup. Long story short to a big hit getting rid of the half ton for a new diesel pickup.
Such an important topic! I did soo much research on this since we tow with an SUV. In fact, I've talked about it so much even my kids can spot the sag of an overloaded rig. Good vid Joshy
Great information for newbies and seasoned towable owners alike! Thanks Uncle Josh! My 2 cents, regardless of your paper numbers, get thyself to the nearest scales to confirm you're safe with a full loadout! (and don't forget the dog) 🐶
One thing to note, is most trucks also have a tongue weight rating based on whether or not a weight distro hitch is being used. For example, my 1/2 ton truck is 500 Lbs. w/out weight distro, and 1,100 Lbs. with weight distro. But your hitch needs to be set up correctly to make sure that weight shift is occurring.
Yep like steve mentions you're taking weight off the direct hitch area but not actually changing the payload. You're pushing a little of that weight on the front of the truck and back of the RV
@@JoshtheRVNerd To be sure. I guess the point I was trying to make, and didn't do a very good job, is that your truck will have a maximum tongue weight rating, and that even with weight distro hitch it is possible to exceed the maximum tongue weight before exceeding the truck's payload capacity.
I went to look at a trailer and as we walked across the lot we were talking about my truck and weights. I told him this specific trailer model was going to cut things close on payload capacity so I'd have to be really careful about what I took with me in the truck and where I put weight in the TT. He looked me in the eye and said that a good weight-distribution hitch would "remove all of the tongue weight". I rolled my eyes, turned around and got back in my truck -- either he was straight up lying to me, or he so woefully ignorant I didn't want to do business with him. Thanks for this break down and for being a good person, Nerd 🤓. I had this conversation with my brother-in-law when he was excited about 5th wheels that were advertised by the manufacturer as "HT" of even had the words "half ton" in the product name, but if you look at the numbers they almost never are actually half-ton towable unless the truck is bare-bones and the only vehicle occupant is a 5' pixie. Much of the RV industry will happily lie to you to make a sale which I find very frustrating. The world needs more Josh.
@@Kevinw4040 not a dumb question. a wd hitch transfers the hitch weight from the trailer toung that sits at the back of your truck hitch, downward force ( load ), transfers the load from the rear axle of your truck to the front axles of your truck through the frame of your truck. in other words, it takes the load off the rear axle, moves it to the front axle on your truck. you have prob seen many trucks pulling campers down the highway, if you looked closely..you would have noticed where the trailer was attached to the rear truck bumper ball ?, some were squatted down right there ?, this means they have too much weight on the truck hitch ball from the trailer hitch. with a wd hitch attached, it brings the rear of truck and trailer hitch all back up level, by doing this, it moves the load off the rear of the truck axle, transfers the load to the trucks front axle.
Great video Josh! One thing to note that really can be confusing to people is that the Hitch weight does not get included when making your final GCVW calculation. Only the ACTUAL loaded weight of the tow vehicle (GVW) + the ACTUAL weight of the loaded trailer (GTW)=GCW < GCWR Keep up the good work!
Thank you for continuing to put out fantastic information, Josh! I enjoyed the means/method of communicating. Your humor is great, but how you put your heart into this content shows how much you care. You are an asset to Bish's! Keep up the good work!
FINALLY! You have finally explained the true tow rating. I was always told (by RV sales) that my truck's tow rated for 10k, and to be safe keep it under 7500 lbs because that's the 75% rule.
That's a solid guideline. I've said similar things in the past. But as I've traveled more and gained experience my recommendations there have changed. Like many (and probably most) people in this business I was not properly trained originally.. because the bosses didn't really know this stuff properly either. Applied some time, did some learning. Hopefully it helps
This info confirms what took me a LOT of research to figure out for myself. It seems like most trucks’ tow “rating” should be reduced to take actual payload into consideration.
As Josh explained, Tow rating and cargo rating are two separate weights. Tow rating is usually irrelevant because you will probably reach your max payload before you reach your max tow rating.
@@mickeym2380 That’s what I’m saying- the tow rating is highly hyped and advertised, but the payload is hidden somewhere on a sticker on the door jam. People with no experience have no idea that that’s the most important number!
Great explanation video! Towing my GD 2800BH, w/ a 21 Ram 1500, 3.92, 11K towing. Numbers say we're good, but looking at possible a 2500 or F250 for safety.
Wonderful wonderful video! I use myself as an example that absolutely supports these rules. To my best brain calculation, my family of 6 are in the neighborhood of 750 lbs. That IMMEDIATELY drops my unloaded payload of 1805lbs on my 1/2 ton truck to just over 1050 lbs. My camper has an unloaded hitch weight of 615 lbs. So just taking the bare weights, I have access to approx. 435ish lbs of cargo. Add 4 bikes and some firewood in the bed and my payload is nearing 250ish lbs left. Subtract 80lbs for the hitch and bars… I’m under 200lbs of available payload for my truck. I know my hitch weight is more because I pack my cargo either over the axles or forward of the axles. Here is where I need the scales to really give me the spot on number. But for the sake of argument, my math checks out above. My truck says it can “tow” 9300lbs, but my camper fully loaded is actually in the neighborhood of 5500lbs and I’m nearing my payload capacity. I truly believe I’m within all my specs, but if I were to upgrade, I’d have to keep these numbers in mind and even consider a larger truck or one with significantly more payload. Keep it up Josh! #nerdherd
While unlikely, it is possible to make the second example safe (assuming the weight distributing\5th wheel\goose neck hitch is already included in the [nearly 20% of trailer] tongue weight number) by relocating all cargo to the trailer (distributed over the axle to maintain the same tongue), removing any accessories like tonneau covers, and only having the driver in the tow vehicle (with the family in a second vehicle). Even the tailgate can be removed if you get desperate, though they are all very light these days and won’t get you much. The scales are the only reliable way to tell though, as they can immediately display the truck’s weight and if it exceeds the payload\GVWR listed on the door sticker. Never guess when it comes to safety, always use the scales (it can really help cover you in an accident too if the other parties claim you were overloaded and therefore automatically liable).
To the point Josh is making, all aftermarket accessories (dealer addons/DIY/retail installed) that are added to the tow vehicle take away from the payload of the truck. Examples include larger wheels and tires, step rails, tonneau covers, brush guards, bed liners, bed boxes, air bags, spring helpers, etc. Many, well equipped / luxury half tons have a factory rated payload around 1500lbs. Dressing up your ride by bolting on a few of aftermarket accessories and you have decreased the payload capacity needed to tow an rv.
This topic can't be talked about enough, you see so many unsafe combinations of truck & trailer, is a lot of states/provinces if you are involved in an accident and found to be over weight or over capacity you can face criminal charges. Thank you Josh, great topic.
Great video! Our trailer has a stated hitch weight of 545 lbs. Add a battery and two 30 lb. propane tanks, and now 630 lbs. Learned the disappointing way that my Canyon’s 1.359 lb. payload was eaten up quickly by a 200 lb. fiberglass cover, three people, a Weigh Safe WDH, tools, and 630 lb. hitch weight. I was 200 lbs. over. Ouch. Canyon was replaced by a new Silverado with a 1,750 lb. payload and no fiberglass cover. Right lash-up for the job.
I've been a truck and heavy haul truckdriver for 28 years, and you did a good job explaining this for the average consumer, great job! I do can't wait to do business with you! Safety First!!!
As a trainer for RV school I am very happy you did this video. I will be sharing it a lot! Next time I’m passing through I’ll have to stop in to say hey and maybe even get an autograph 😊
Way to go Josh! That's a great way to explain it. I like the estimate for the hitch weight. I like to see a real world example of a sticker that talks about the hitch weight is based on the dry weight, or includes propane, etc. The reason why I ask is because I was at an RV show earlier this month and talking to a Keystone representative, they told me the hitch weight includes full propane, whereas others say dry weight.
Great video. You are easily the most comprehensive resource on RUclips. You should be proud of your body of work here. As my wife and I get closer to our second RV the first time, we will be heading to our nearest Bish’s. It was smart of them to let you keep doing what you’ve been doing since the Haylett days. Thanks for your great videos
Hoping you make this a yearly spring video as people are getting ready to pull out the camper in the northern states. It does not take a lot of time to get a get your own vehicle weighed (full tank of fuel, all passengers, expected cargo). Not sure if you guys have a pin weight scale and/or ball scale. But I think that would be a great selling tool to your customers that come in. Got the unit on the lot, can get an accurate reading of tongue weight of that model combination. Add X lbs for battery and propane on the tongue. Let the customer run the numbers on their own TV.
As always, great video. Full of a lot of good and well explained information. I get so much backlash when I make the statement most half ton trucks can't tow 5th wheels. This video explains why it's USUALLY not a good idea.
Couple of things. 1). Great job explaining how this all works. Very straight forward and clearly explained. 2). Standing ovation to you and Bush’s for telling the truth and admitting that most trailers are too heavy to safely pull with a half ton pickup. Everyone in your line of work would be willing to be so honest. Thank you for your honesty.
I think this is one of the best videos I’ve seen on the subject. My firm suggestion when calculating weights pre-purchase is to use 15% of the GVWR as an assumed tongue weight for travel trailers and 25% for 5th wheels. These are conservative figures and your pretty well guaranteed to be less in service but it’s far better to be conservative in your planning. Also be aware that one of the major pitfalls of the SAE J2807 tow rating standard is that it assumes a 10% tongue weight. Which means that sadly hitches on trucks are rated accordingly. So a truck with a 10,000lb tow rating is likely to have a hitch rated for a maximum tongue weight of 1000lbs. Which means if your applying the 15% standard that 10,000lb tow rated truck should really be considered a 6,666lb rated truck in order not to exceed the capacity of the hitch. When you consider that 10% is really the absolute minimum it’s apparent how J2807 sets owners up for failure.
Uncle Josh I really appreciate this video..I knew some of this but definitely not all of it..its really great how you clarified everything and what the terms really mean both for people who have been camping for awhile and those just getting started.Thank u for doing this video Josh appreciate you!!
I would like to add that weight distribution hitches may increase your tow vehicle's hitch weight rating (depends on the hitch and vehicle) but they do not increase payload or towing capacity!
This is awesome, I recently got a Jayco Eagle 355 MBQS and converted it to a gooseneck using the Lippert approved Gooseneck system. I ran the numbers a lot, using a 25% pin weight I am possibly overloaded (by a couple of hundred pounds) on my 2019 F350 SRW. I have not scaled it, this is the information I used to make my decisions that I had learnt. On the heavier duty trucks they have been designed for a higher weight but are limited by class limitations, such as a 25 series can not be more than 10k, until recently a 35 series can not be more than 11.5k for SRW and 14k for DRW. Same for the f450 can not be more than 14k, but is a way beefier truck than the f350 with the same GVWR. With my trailer and I don't know the pin weight yet, I am not even on the helper springs, however I do not know the weak points, I feel safe I can stop safely and quickly when needed, I suspect I am not near my payload as I planned for the worst. I also have a plan for reducing the truck weight (remove the skid plates and spare tire if I have to, run with less fuel in the tank, reduce my fat arse which I need to do anyway) I was also prepared to by a DRW if it did not work out. If you are unsure buy a bigger truck, no one has ever said boy I wish I had less truck when the blown gasket hits the fan.
@@JoshtheRVNerd I plan to but first I need to be fully licensed so I don't have to find a class A driver to go with me. In CA if you convert to gooseneck you need a Non commercial class A for anything with a GVWR over 10k. I failed my first road test so am waiting for my retest
I thank you soooo very much for this video. I struggle with this concept because it just doesn't click (the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead!) so having it explained simply like this is beautiful 🤣 can we please get more of these style videos? I am also struggling in explaining the whole solar/lithium batteries set up to people.....again just not clicking 😑😂
Great video. Nice job Josh. On point and if people follow this and the math they will be ok. There are some details that go into the numbers that can confuse people if not technical in nature. This video avoids that and will be a great tool for people to use. Well done Bish's for supporting this and educating your customers. There are many options for a RVer to ensure their true tongue weight (loaded and unloaded). Another tool i would recommend. It can be shared with friends and family to get the most out of it.
I wanted to break it down into terms someone who doesn't have a PhD in towing rocket science could understand. It's not complicated once you understand the terms and how they work against one another
Please extend this presentation to cover how to incorporate weight distribution hitches into vehicle towing. Even better would be how to incorporate using a CAT or truck scale to verify trailer weight when the WDH is connected and active on the scale. You have explained things very well so far. Just extend the conversation a little further. You’re the best!!
@@JoshtheRVNerd Yes I am, my Intent is to create vids as well for people that are like me that have a disability. You see after 5 deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, I returned home to double colon cancer then in 2020 I had a stroke which left me paralyzed. My point is just because one is disabled does not mean life is over. We just purchased a small RV, Gulfstream Ameri-Lite 20 footer. This is after months of reading and watching vids. My wife and I went just to look at the rig and get measurements to see if we could get our scooter in the storage area as well as measurements for a new mattress. The dealership is installing a new Power Tongue Jack free of charge so a Shout out to Nature Coast RV. However with planning and a great spouse anything is possible. My idea is there is a market for the Disabled in the RV Industry. Thank you for your vids great information.
Josh, you're the BEST. You would be a GREAT TEACHER. Very thorough in your obvious knowledge and enjoyable/funny in your presentation. God Bless you Dude.
Uncle Josh, THANK YOU so much for making this vehicle. As a member of the Nerd Herd and a hopeful potential new RV’er someday (I’ve only tent camped in my younger days); I’ve watched many of your videos over the passed several months and I appreciate everything that you have put out there. It has helped with my research. That being said, based on what I have seen so far, I believe that this video is the MOST important and informative video that i’ve watched. I appreciate the caring about your customers safety that you preach. I really do believe that you are putting the customers safety above the sale. Whenever I do decide to purchase an RV, you can bet that I will be stopping by in person at one of your stores. I’ve seen on a couple of other channels, that General Motors is the ONLY manufacturer that has added an additional sticker on their new trucks that helps you with the math on towing. This new sticker should be mandated from the manufacturers. Always safety first! Again another job WELL DONE! Tell Mr. Bish to give you a raise, 😃
The biggest reason I'm subscribed to your channel Josh is not because you always miss the ice cream man in the summer 😂 it's because you've always had the safety before the sale mentality. I've been a truck driver for over 20 years and the amount of accidents I see with RVs from just not having the right vehicle combinations is actually really sad. I know you've done a video explaining this before but I like the visuals you did actually giving more context to the issue and I hope others will see it, they need to know what they can pull. I have suggested to my local RV dealership to have a class for potential buyers on towing safety, and I'm also an advocate that anyone pulling an RV needing to get a driver's license endorsement unless they hold a class A CDL. Keep up the good work my friend.
We are looking at purchasing an RV trailer. We have rented a couple of times and we are real fans of the information you provide on RUclips. If I understand correctly when my Yukon shows a Tongue Weight of 840 lbs using a WD system on the trailer hitch I can work with a trailer that has a hitch weight of 946? Sizing the correct WD system allows us to not overload the Yukon. For specifics see below. Now we need to find a sales staff in our part of the world as honest and direct as you. Yukon (from the door sticker) GVWR 7400 GCWR 14500 RGAWR 4300 Curb Weight 5673 Max Payload 1727 Conventional TWR 8400 Max Tongue W 840 Trailer Rockwood 2608BS Hitch 946 UVW 6836 CCC 1910 Thank You for your thoughts. New Subscribers in Florida.
I don't think I'd recommend that pairing. Once cargo is loaded you'll likely be exceeding your hitch rating even with a weight distributing hitch There's no hard math rule I can give you there as to how much weight is pushed off the tongue I'm afraid
Great job Josh! You explained it in a way the anyone can understand. I could have posted this video four times on Facebook in the last 24 hours! Thanks RV Nerd!
That's why i think it should be mandate for a driver to get some course to understand and master this knowledge. Too much peoples never tow anything and one day decide to equip with a 15,000 pounds of trailer and pick-up and here we go.
Really your trucks payload max capacity is the only thing ya need to be careful with. Because you will max that out before tow capacity. Especially on half tons
Great Video!!😁 May be a dumb question, but does the Curb Weight include Fluids such as a full tank of GAS? Also, I think I'm Still missing something... How do you find Gross COMBINED Vehicle Rating? 🤔 THANKS for This, and ALL your infomitave Vids!😊
Thank you for the video. It helped us a lot. However, I did note that you did not mention the weight of fuel in the truck. Seems like that would calculate into the GVWR? a 34 or even 50 gallon tank will add a bit at 6-7 lbs/gallon
So, basically, unless you have a Heavy Duty 1 ton with a dually, you aren't towing anything over 37 feet or anything worth owning. The hitch weight + cargo + hitch receiver + passenger/driver are going to be far above the payload capacity of the truck. If you have a Heavy Duty 1 ton with a single wheel, you're pretty much in the same boat as dually 3/4 tons or 1/2 tons and have to resort to lesser quality brands to meet the payload vs. hitch weight demands. Good video.
Josie...your forgot to mention length. Longer and wider and taller means it will pickup more air from wind gust. I'd never pull a camper over 26ft with a half ton short wheel base
I’m honestly surprised no one has come out with an app yet to cross reference all known vehicles and their stats with trailers and RVs. A database and Calculator is all it would really take, and someone that knows how to program. Sadly, I am not that person.
Good info Josh as usual, only 1 mistake I saw was for the tow capacity, Gcwr- Gvwr is wrong, it should be unloaded vehicle weight instead, my new 350 dually has a 20k tow capacity, 28k GCWR, and a 14k Gvwr
*CRAP! I apparently misspoke once along the way - a record low for me! 😂*
Your towing capacity is not “GCWR-GVWR” but rather *GCWR-Vehicle Curb Weight*
Sorry about that!!
Not bad with only that error....it was a 15 minute video going over a lot of points.
I’m starting to get my head around this..but what can my v6 2014 Nissan Pathfinder tow????
Video on class A's and how much you can flat tow? It says 5,000 pounds. But what is included in that?
Huh? Not very specific. So, (Vehicle) GCWR *minus* (Vehicle) Curb Weight? Please confirm. What will it be for a 2007 Kia Sportage V6? I have a 2010 KZ Sportsman w/GVWR of 2700#'s. Plz help, I'll be houseless in a month. Plz anybody. Thanks *IMPORTANT*
Following up on the @rosegarcia9963 question. In the video, at 12:30 you have the safe configuration. The truck GCWR is listed at 20,000lbs, the truck empty is at 6,800lbs, and the truck GVWR is 9,000lbs. Truck GCWR-truck empty = 13,200lbs and truck GCWR-truck GVWR = 11,000lbs. You have the tow capacity listed as 11,000lbs, which implies truck GCWR-truck GVWR.
At 12:50 you have the unsafe configuration. The truck GCWR is listed at 16,000lbs, the truck empty is at 6,400lbs, and the truck GVWR is 8,000lbs. Truck GCWR-truck empty = 9,600lbs and truck GCWR-truck GVWR = 8,000lbs. Based on the safe configuration, the towing capacity of this truck is 8,000lbs, but in the video you have it listed as 10,000lbs (which is neither 8,000lbs nor 9,600lbs). Is that because a calculated towing capacity is different from a rated towing capacity, or is there an error in the graphic?
Thanks for all the info you provide.
Like I've said before ( I think?) Working in the state park system and seeing it first hand, especially with the popularity growth of new campers I saw sooo many vehicle/camper setups WAY over loaded, and not by a little but by A LOT! We need more people in the industry to brute force this valuable information into newbies heads, and not some of these "salesmans" that just want the cash $$$ TO ALL THE NEWBIES THAT SEE THIS VIDEO/COMMENT PLEASE DO YOUR RESEARCH TO KEEP YOU SAFE AND OTHERS AROUND ON THE ROAD! Great video Josh
My pleasure. Pls feel free to share into social groups! :)
That's why I watch all these videos...
My eyes glazed over within the first few mins... :( It's not you Josh, it's me, I just don't quite get it.
Truck driver here who pulls doubles & triples. I'm very pleased to see you explaining things so very well. Fantastic job Mr Nerd.
Awesome, thank you!
Bet you’d never believe I was once a dispatcher at yellow freight lol
I quickly learned that’s not for me
@@JoshtheRVNerd It's a small world isn't it? You've gone on to touch so many people in such a positive, purposeful way. You are an Amazing part of the Bishes team & all the folks new & not so much, 😀sourounding the RV industry. Roads are safer & RV life is easier with you in it Mr Nerd. A BIG Thanks for sharing all your experience & guidance . My exit is coming up, buy for now.
Finally, Finally, Finally someone has told the truth about 1/2 ton vehicle towing. Thank you! A must watch. Great explanation. Also, the info about airbags. Excellent!
Glad you enjoyed it! Pls share and help spread that safety!
This video should be REQUIRED watching for everyone who tows a camper. I am constantly sharing this video in the various FB groups I'm in because of the newbie questions being asked and the VERY bad advice being given!
Hit that share button and spread the education!
This is probably the simplest and easiest to understand explanation of the weights involved with towing. It took me a few days of going through videos and doing math to figure out what you demonstrated in 30 seconds. Gotta love, good old uncle Josh.
Glad to be of service!
You and Dolly did a great job of demonstrating the concepts that a lot of people struggle with. Well done Josh!
LOL the Capital D on Dolly had me thrown. I was like "wait did I have a guest on this?"
I've entered the RV market as someone who never has owned a truck. Thanks for the informative and easy to follow video. I now feel confident I'll choose the right RV that is safe to tow.
Hope it helps! In addition to rv reviews I have a bunch of these top vids in a “learn about stuff” playlist for you
This is the SMARTEST towing information on RV's that I have ever seen! Thank you. It put a LOT MORE good info in front of the customer. Thank you for putting SAFETY FIRST.
Glad it was helpful!
As a 30 year ASE master tech WELL DONE Josh. I couldnt have said it more clearly and with any sence then that. I hope I can use this for thos so called "well ive been doing it for year without a problem" people!!!!
TY so much. I wasn't taught any of this properly when I started and had to UN-learn so many bad teachings. I cringe as some of the historical towing advisory I gave people
Just trying to be/do better now
@@JoshtheRVNerd Well we all need too learn somewhere , just hope it is not from are own demise. You just have put it in such a way that those that really dont get it, should. I dont know how many people ive tried too tell and they just dont unders stand past the "tow rating" . But i have a 30k tow rating so i can tow anything mentality.
Very good on explaining the weight stuff.
One thing people can do is go to a large truck scale (Cat Scale) at truck stops and weight there tow vehicle fuel of gas but completely empty. Then after the pickup there trailer go back and weight the combination of the 2 before they load things up. This will give them a idea of how much they can load up with. Anyone can use the Cat Scales at truck stops. It's $7.00 the 1st weigh and $2.00 for a reweigh as long as you reweigh at the same scale you did the 1st weight at.
absolutely. Scaling is the only way to know for sure
And within 24hrs I think
Josh, you did an amazing job here. 10/10
This will be the video to share with every one new and old to rving.
Thanks for cutting threw the crap and helping us comprehend this.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I wish I had this when I started. All this confused me to no end but had to learn it all myself. Great video!
Thanks for going over this again, as it can’t be stated enough. Unfortunately, this is an industry wide issue (truck and RV manufacturers). Neither sales or marketing teams seem to care about safety first. Two cases where I recently came across this: firstly, back in 2021 looking for a new truck with higher payload, called Ford dealer and inquired about F150 with Max Tow, and F250 or Ram 2500 options (small town they had both Ford and Ram dealers). When I explained the situation they were quick to point out very confidently that the new F150 can tow 14,000lbs. Secondly, my wife and I just went to the RV show in Calgary back in January, and as we’re walking into a Cougar “half ton” fifth wheel, I noticed the UVWR on the outside at some 10,000lbs and commented to my wife that “this will be too heavy”. The sales guy and I believe a Cougar rep sitting in the trailer overheard me and quickly quipped that “an F150 is all that’s needed to tow this”. I looked at him and fired back “no way I’m towing this with an F150”. He says “Ok, personal opinion”. Really? He didn’t even ask what I drive which is a Ram 2500 gas. And what do RV dealerships do to help truly determine if the vehicle someone had is the right vehicle? Why can’t a dealership actually weigh a “dry” trailer with two propane tanks and two batteries? You know they’re going to sell it to the purchaser anyway. I understand that other stuff put throughout the trailer will alter that hitch weight, but we also know ideally that you want that hitch weight at around 12%…adding the 200 lbs of propane and batteries to the front will help with getting a realistic number hitch weight. Just curious, what steps does Bish’s go through to completely verify everything is good before selling a trailer (check vehicles payload sticker, help customer determine/educate/understand trailer GVW, etc)- because the place I bought mine in Alberta does absolutely nothing. I won’t even bring up the trailer length, that should also be factored in, or where it’s expected to be towed (maybe a second video? That one is definitely more tricky). Anyway, as always your videos are fantastic, and your one of few that points these towing considerations out in ever video!
HA! Must have been the same salesman we saw at the Calgary RV show. He was bragging about how the Cougar "1/2 Ton" fifth wheels can be towed with a half ton. I wanted to get into it with him, but I just walked away. I wish manufacturers would stop calling their units by that name as it's very deceiving. We have an F150 and tow a Cougar 22 MLS and while this trailer is not super heavy at 7200 GVWR, its hitch weight is much higher than you would expect, with many owners reporting it at as much as 1100lbs. It's also a relatively high profile trailer. It's a good match with our F150, but I wouldn't want to go any heavier or longer. Especially when towing in the prairie winds we get around here! We just bought a new weight distribution hitch and went for the 1200# bars, just to be safe!
A definite must share video! Thank you Josh for addressing this important topic and presenting it in your unique fashion!!
TY for helping spread that message! :)
A friend told us, buy the trailer first, then buy your truck. Truer words were never spoken! We originally ordered a 11,000 GVW trailer and had a Ford F150. Our salesman said "that'll work great". Thanks heavens I did some research, traded the F150 into a F350 and have never been happier. Don't talk to the salesperson about your setup...talk to the people in the back that actually do the hitches and installations!
I generally suggest similar though I usually say "PICK your RV first" rather than buy it
@@JoshtheRVNerd Well that works too! Thank you for your incredible videos. Me and my wife are true fans of yours! Keep it up. Especially the silly stuff too. We really enjoy your humor. Maybe incorporate some "Dad" jokes would be a winner too!
@@dougmorgan4983 I'm practically a walking dad joke lol
I try to keep them under control so my videos don't end up being like an elevator and let you down
Coming from a teacher of 36 years, I must say this: Josh, you are a great teacher. Your ability to take a complex concept and break it down to the simplest and easy to understand terms. One thing that I learned over the years about towing trailers is cargo capacity is the ultimate limitation (in most cases). Sir, you nailed it, and likely saved lives in this video. This video should be required viewing for individuals new to rv'ing.
Wow thank you! I always like educating and sharing. I’ve found a weird way to blend all my quirks together
Josh, n
There is no way to say it other than YOU ROCK, entertaining, informative, and just plain likeability.
TY so much :)
Awesome info. Extremely well done and explained very well for us single cell organisms.
Thank you! :)
Everyone should have to watch this before towing!
Josh, thank you for your video, and clear explanations. Everyone in the USA lives close (enough) to a weight station (usually they are not free, but, not expensive). Once loaded, a person who really wants to have the REAL AS-LOADED values for his/her tow vehicle & trailer will make the effort to get weighed. Being over the published limits for the tow vehicle and / or the trailer can have considerable safety and legal consequences. Again, thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Another great video Josh. I have already shared this with some friends considering a TT. Two good pieces of advice (that I think is safe) given to me was 1) never tow anything longer than 25' or anything over 6000 lbs with a 1/2 ton pick up. 2) You will most likely run out of payload capacity before your towing capacity. Also, look for a yellow sticker near your weight stickers for any payload adjustments from the manufacturer. I lost 118 lbs in PL capacity due to sidesteps and upgraded rims. Thanks again!
Great tip!
Tongue weight concerns is exactly why i purchased Weigh Safe True Tow hitch for my toyhauler. Good explanation. I say a person will most likely bump up against cargo capacity long before max towing. I see on forums all the time where people are looking at the actual hitch rating and assuming that means the truck is rated for that same #. Not so much!
Payload before towing is exhausted is almost always the case for sure
Good info, I know my current trailer is fine, it would help to know for sure what my F150 half ton can tow. Thanks nerd.
Good video to keep people thinking and safe, I know someone who got caught up in a fifth wheel buying situation. They went to a dealer picked out a fifth wheel trailer they liked, asked the sales person if a half ton pickup would be capable to tow it, salesman response was sure it will. They went out bought a new half ton pickup, went and picked up the new trailer and experienced an overloaded pickup. Long story short to a big hit getting rid of the half ton for a new diesel pickup.
Man that sucks. Exactly what I am trying to help people avoid
Such an important topic! I did soo much research on this since we tow with an SUV. In fact, I've talked about it so much even my kids can spot the sag of an overloaded rig. Good vid Joshy
That’s awesome
So Wise , Thank You. Things that MUST be considered
Great information for newbies and seasoned towable owners alike! Thanks Uncle Josh! My 2 cents, regardless of your paper numbers, get thyself to the nearest scales to confirm you're safe with a full loadout! (and don't forget the dog) 🐶
One thing to note, is most trucks also have a tongue weight rating based on whether or not a weight distro hitch is being used. For example, my 1/2 ton truck is 500 Lbs. w/out weight distro, and 1,100 Lbs. with weight distro. But your hitch needs to be set up correctly to make sure that weight shift is occurring.
True, but does NOT change the payload rating 👍
Yep like steve mentions you're taking weight off the direct hitch area but not actually changing the payload. You're pushing a little of that weight on the front of the truck and back of the RV
@@JoshtheRVNerd To be sure. I guess the point I was trying to make, and didn't do a very good job, is that your truck will have a maximum tongue weight rating, and that even with weight distro hitch it is possible to exceed the maximum tongue weight before exceeding the truck's payload capacity.
I went to look at a trailer and as we walked across the lot we were talking about my truck and weights. I told him this specific trailer model was going to cut things close on payload capacity so I'd have to be really careful about what I took with me in the truck and where I put weight in the TT. He looked me in the eye and said that a good weight-distribution hitch would "remove all of the tongue weight". I rolled my eyes, turned around and got back in my truck -- either he was straight up lying to me, or he so woefully ignorant I didn't want to do business with him.
Thanks for this break down and for being a good person, Nerd 🤓. I had this conversation with my brother-in-law when he was excited about 5th wheels that were advertised by the manufacturer as "HT" of even had the words "half ton" in the product name, but if you look at the numbers they almost never are actually half-ton towable unless the truck is bare-bones and the only vehicle occupant is a 5' pixie. Much of the RV industry will happily lie to you to make a sale which I find very frustrating. The world needs more Josh.
I was originally taught something similar. I cringe at some of the old towing advice I used to give but at least now I can do something to help
Unfortunately, many truck RV sales and truck sales are lying, misinformed, or a combination of both.
This might be a dumb question- sorry what exactly does a weight distribution hitch do exactly?
@@Kevinw4040 not a dumb question. a wd hitch transfers the hitch weight from the trailer toung that sits at the back of your truck hitch, downward force ( load ), transfers the load from the rear axle of your truck to the front axles of your truck through the frame of your truck. in other words, it takes the load off the rear axle, moves it to the front axle on your truck. you have prob seen many trucks pulling campers down the highway, if you looked closely..you would have noticed where the trailer was attached to the rear truck bumper ball ?, some were squatted down right there ?, this means they have too much weight on the truck hitch ball from the trailer hitch. with a wd hitch attached, it brings the rear of truck and trailer hitch all back up level, by doing this, it moves the load off the rear of the truck axle, transfers the load to the trucks front axle.
Great video Josh! One thing to note that really can be confusing to people is that the Hitch weight does not get included when making your final GCVW calculation.
Only the ACTUAL loaded weight of the tow vehicle (GVW) + the ACTUAL weight of the loaded trailer (GTW)=GCW < GCWR
Keep up the good work!
👍🏻
You are incredible. This finally answered questions I have been trying to understand for way too long.
Glad it was helpful!
Best, clearest explanation I have ever seen. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for continuing to put out fantastic information, Josh! I enjoyed the means/method of communicating. Your humor is great, but how you put your heart into this content shows how much you care. You are an asset to Bish's! Keep up the good work!
I appreciate that!
FINALLY! You have finally explained the true tow rating. I was always told (by RV sales) that my truck's tow rated for 10k, and to be safe keep it under 7500 lbs because that's the 75% rule.
That's a solid guideline. I've said similar things in the past. But as I've traveled more and gained experience my recommendations there have changed.
Like many (and probably most) people in this business I was not properly trained originally.. because the bosses didn't really know this stuff properly either.
Applied some time, did some learning. Hopefully it helps
THIS is the Most important rv video on RUclips ! Thank you Josh !
TY! Please feel free to share it around!
GREAT explanation. That, right there, is enough to make me want to buy my next RV from Bish.
Awesome thank you man. We sure try.
This info confirms what took me a LOT of research to figure out for myself. It seems like most trucks’ tow “rating” should be reduced to take actual payload into consideration.
As Josh explained, Tow rating and cargo rating are two separate weights. Tow rating is usually irrelevant because you will probably reach your max payload before you reach your max tow rating.
@@mickeym2380 That’s what I’m saying- the tow rating is highly hyped and advertised, but the payload is hidden somewhere on a sticker on the door jam. People with no experience have no idea that that’s the most important number!
Great explanation video! Towing my GD 2800BH, w/ a 21 Ram 1500, 3.92, 11K towing. Numbers say we're good, but looking at possible a 2500 or F250 for safety.
Glad it was helpful!
Great stuff 👍 thanks for sharing. This is why Josh the rv nerd is Definitely the best RV show host in the business. ✌ 🇺🇲 GOD bless America 🇺🇲
Wow TY
We appreciate YOUR ABC...123 break down!!! #ThatsGLUEBaby!!!
Wonderful wonderful video!
I use myself as an example that absolutely supports these rules. To my best brain calculation, my family of 6 are in the neighborhood of 750 lbs. That IMMEDIATELY drops my unloaded payload of 1805lbs on my 1/2 ton truck to just over 1050 lbs. My camper has an unloaded hitch weight of 615 lbs. So just taking the bare weights, I have access to approx. 435ish lbs of cargo. Add 4 bikes and some firewood in the bed and my payload is nearing 250ish lbs left. Subtract 80lbs for the hitch and bars… I’m under 200lbs of available payload for my truck. I know my hitch weight is more because I pack my cargo either over the axles or forward of the axles. Here is where I need the scales to really give me the spot on number. But for the sake of argument, my math checks out above.
My truck says it can “tow” 9300lbs, but my camper fully loaded is actually in the neighborhood of 5500lbs and I’m nearing my payload capacity.
I truly believe I’m within all my specs, but if I were to upgrade, I’d have to keep these numbers in mind and even consider a larger truck or one with significantly more payload.
Keep it up Josh! #nerdherd
You're absolutely nailing it here!
While unlikely, it is possible to make the second example safe (assuming the weight distributing\5th wheel\goose neck hitch is already included in the [nearly 20% of trailer] tongue weight number) by relocating all cargo to the trailer (distributed over the axle to maintain the same tongue), removing any accessories like tonneau covers, and only having the driver in the tow vehicle (with the family in a second vehicle). Even the tailgate can be removed if you get desperate, though they are all very light these days and won’t get you much.
The scales are the only reliable way to tell though, as they can immediately display the truck’s weight and if it exceeds the payload\GVWR listed on the door sticker. Never guess when it comes to safety, always use the scales (it can really help cover you in an accident too if the other parties claim you were overloaded and therefore automatically liable).
Absolutely. Scaling is the only way to know for sure
To the point Josh is making, all aftermarket accessories (dealer addons/DIY/retail installed) that are added to the tow vehicle take away from the payload of the truck. Examples include larger wheels and tires, step rails, tonneau covers, brush guards, bed liners, bed boxes, air bags, spring helpers, etc. Many, well equipped / luxury half tons have a factory rated payload around 1500lbs. Dressing up your ride by bolting on a few of aftermarket accessories and you have decreased the payload capacity needed to tow an rv.
And aftermarket accessories don’t change things like your payload ratings
You offer such great info that is so helpful. Keep giving us your videos with the things we need to know. We ( hubby and I) watch and enjoy you.
TY for watching! :)
This topic can't be talked about enough, you see so many unsafe combinations of truck & trailer, is a lot of states/provinces if you are involved in an accident and found to be over weight or over capacity you can face criminal charges. Thank you Josh, great topic.
My pleasure. Pls hit that share button and help spread the safety
As always, thanks for your wealth of knowledge; and I would recommend you to anyone
Much appreciated!
LOVE THIS VIDEO! Sooooo many people need to watch and understand this!!!!
Pls feel free to hit the share button and help spread the message! :)
Great video! Our trailer has a stated hitch weight of 545 lbs. Add a battery and two 30 lb. propane tanks, and now 630 lbs. Learned the disappointing way that my Canyon’s 1.359 lb. payload was eaten up quickly by a 200 lb. fiberglass cover, three people, a Weigh Safe WDH, tools, and 630 lb. hitch weight. I was 200 lbs. over. Ouch. Canyon was replaced by a new Silverado with a 1,750 lb. payload and no fiberglass cover. Right lash-up for the job.
I love that y’all do this because you are keeping people off the road that are over loaded,and may not be experience at towing an RV.
We try to keep people safe!
As always Thank You for the info. This confirms what I already knew that I need a 3/4 ton for the trailer I want to get.
Glad to be of assistance! :)
I've been a truck and heavy haul truckdriver for 28 years, and you did a good job explaining this for the average consumer, great job! I do can't wait to do business with you! Safety First!!!
I appreciate that!
This is for all you F150 "super duty" owners 😅
Adding airbags decreases payload of your tow vehicle. The weight of the airbags gets subtracted from the payload
100% correct
Keep making videos. These are awesome for everyone. I don’t live in the States but I would buy a trailer from you guys.
Ty so much!
As a trainer for RV school I am very happy you did this video. I will be sharing it a lot! Next time I’m passing through I’ll have to stop in to say hey and maybe even get an autograph 😊
Would love to meet!!
Way to go Josh! That's a great way to explain it. I like the estimate for the hitch weight. I like to see a real world example of a sticker that talks about the hitch weight is based on the dry weight, or includes propane, etc. The reason why I ask is because I was at an RV show earlier this month and talking to a Keystone representative, they told me the hitch weight includes full propane, whereas others say dry weight.
Always safer to estimate empty
Is that seem to be the case in most travel trailers?
@@revgordon91 from my experience yes
Ok! So what about the hitch weight being on the sticker? Do you have an example of this?
Great video. You are easily the most comprehensive resource on RUclips. You should be proud of your body of work here. As my wife and I get closer to our second RV the first time, we will be heading to our nearest Bish’s. It was smart of them to let you keep doing what you’ve been doing since the Haylett days. Thanks for your great videos
Wow, thank you!
Hoping you make this a yearly spring video as people are getting ready to pull out the camper in the northern states.
It does not take a lot of time to get a get your own vehicle weighed (full tank of fuel, all passengers, expected cargo).
Not sure if you guys have a pin weight scale and/or ball scale. But I think that would be a great selling tool to your customers that come in. Got the unit on the lot, can get an accurate reading of tongue weight of that model combination. Add X lbs for battery and propane on the tongue. Let the customer run the numbers on their own TV.
We don’t at me home store but I’d like to have one
Josh, you simply crushed this video. Such great info and explanations.
TY Brooks!
As always, great video. Full of a lot of good and well explained information. I get so much backlash when I make the statement most half ton trucks can't tow 5th wheels. This video explains why it's USUALLY not a good idea.
Exactly! TY! :)
Thank you much JOSH THE BEST NERD
My pleasure. Hope this helps! :)
Interesting video. Sounds like that this should be a spreadsheet! Thanks Nerd!
I've seen people make auto-calc sheets to help make sense of it all
Couple of things. 1). Great job explaining how this all works. Very straight forward and clearly explained. 2). Standing ovation to you and Bush’s for telling the truth and admitting that most trailers are too heavy to safely pull with a half ton pickup. Everyone in your line of work would be willing to be so honest. Thank you for your honesty.
Our pleasure. Truly. A quick buck isn’t worth getting someone killed
I think this is one of the best videos I’ve seen on the subject.
My firm suggestion when calculating weights pre-purchase is to use 15% of the GVWR as an assumed tongue weight for travel trailers and 25% for 5th wheels. These are conservative figures and your pretty well guaranteed to be less in service but it’s far better to be conservative in your planning.
Also be aware that one of the major pitfalls of the SAE J2807 tow rating standard is that it assumes a 10% tongue weight. Which means that sadly hitches on trucks are rated accordingly. So a truck with a 10,000lb tow rating is likely to have a hitch rated for a maximum tongue weight of 1000lbs. Which means if your applying the 15% standard that 10,000lb tow rated truck should really be considered a 6,666lb rated truck in order not to exceed the capacity of the hitch.
When you consider that 10% is really the absolute minimum it’s apparent how J2807 sets owners up for failure.
Uncle Josh I really appreciate this video..I knew some of this but definitely not all of it..its really great how you clarified everything and what the terms really mean both for people who have been camping for awhile and those just getting started.Thank u for doing this video Josh appreciate you!!
My pleasure. Hope it helps! :)
I would like to add that weight distribution hitches may increase your tow vehicle's hitch weight rating (depends on the hitch and vehicle) but they do not increase payload or towing capacity!
This is awesome, I recently got a Jayco Eagle 355 MBQS and converted it to a gooseneck using the Lippert approved Gooseneck system. I ran the numbers a lot, using a 25% pin weight I am possibly overloaded (by a couple of hundred pounds) on my 2019 F350 SRW. I have not scaled it, this is the information I used to make my decisions that I had learnt. On the heavier duty trucks they have been designed for a higher weight but are limited by class limitations, such as a 25 series can not be more than 10k, until recently a 35 series can not be more than 11.5k for SRW and 14k for DRW. Same for the f450 can not be more than 14k, but is a way beefier truck than the f350 with the same GVWR. With my trailer and I don't know the pin weight yet, I am not even on the helper springs, however I do not know the weak points, I feel safe I can stop safely and quickly when needed, I suspect I am not near my payload as I planned for the worst. I also have a plan for reducing the truck weight (remove the skid plates and spare tire if I have to, run with less fuel in the tank, reduce my fat arse which I need to do anyway) I was also prepared to by a DRW if it did not work out. If you are unsure buy a bigger truck, no one has ever said boy I wish I had less truck when the blown gasket hits the fan.
You may want to run it across some scales
@@JoshtheRVNerd I plan to but first I need to be fully licensed so I don't have to find a class A driver to go with me. In CA if you convert to gooseneck you need a Non commercial class A for anything with a GVWR over 10k. I failed my first road test so am waiting for my retest
I thank you soooo very much for this video. I struggle with this concept because it just doesn't click (the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead!) so having it explained simply like this is beautiful
🤣 can we please get more of these style videos? I am also struggling in explaining the whole solar/lithium batteries set up to people.....again just not clicking 😑😂
I do my best! I have a big playlist of "learn about stuff" kind of videos beyond just RV tours!
Great video. Nice job Josh. On point and if people follow this and the math they will be ok. There are some details that go into the numbers that can confuse people if not technical in nature. This video avoids that and will be a great tool for people to use. Well done Bish's for supporting this and educating your customers.
There are many options for a RVer to ensure their true tongue weight (loaded and unloaded). Another tool i would recommend. It can be shared with friends and family to get the most out of it.
I wanted to break it down into terms someone who doesn't have a PhD in towing rocket science could understand. It's not complicated once you understand the terms and how they work against one another
It's always better to have more truck than trailer.. The tow vehicle is happy, means everyone's. Happy
Facts. You won't regret having more truck than trailer.
You _might_ regret _not_ having more truck than trailer.
Please extend this presentation to cover how to incorporate weight distribution hitches into vehicle towing. Even better would be how to incorporate using a CAT or truck scale to verify trailer weight when the WDH is connected and active on the scale. You have explained things very well so far. Just extend the conversation a little further. You’re the best!!
Yes, I agree! And maybe show the old trick of determining tongue weight with a bathroom scale and the wood bar.
Learning so much from your vids
Hope they’re helpful!
@@JoshtheRVNerd Yes I am, my Intent is to create vids as well for people that are like me that have a disability. You see after 5 deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, I returned home to double colon cancer then in 2020 I had a stroke which left me paralyzed. My point is just because one is disabled does not mean life is over. We just purchased a small RV, Gulfstream Ameri-Lite 20 footer. This is after months of reading and watching vids. My wife and I went just to look at the rig and get measurements to see if we could get our scooter in the storage area as well as measurements for a new mattress. The dealership is installing a new Power Tongue Jack free of charge so a Shout out to Nature Coast RV. However with planning and a great spouse anything is possible. My idea is there is a market for the Disabled in the RV Industry. Thank you for your vids great information.
Thank you, and please pass on our thanks to the management for letting you be honest.
I'm super fortunate they actively encourage me to make videos like this!
Josh, you're the BEST. You would be a GREAT TEACHER. Very thorough in your obvious knowledge and enjoyable/funny in your presentation. God Bless you Dude.
Wow, thanks! Pls hit that share button and help people learn!
Uncle Josh, THANK YOU so much for making this vehicle. As a member of the Nerd Herd and a hopeful potential new RV’er someday (I’ve only tent camped in my younger days); I’ve watched many of your videos over the passed several months and I appreciate everything that you have put out there. It has helped with my research. That being said, based on what I have seen so far, I believe that this video is the MOST important and informative video that i’ve watched. I appreciate the caring about your customers safety that you preach. I really do believe that you are putting the customers safety above the sale. Whenever I do decide to purchase an RV, you can bet that I will be stopping by in person at one of your stores. I’ve seen on a couple of other channels, that General Motors is the ONLY manufacturer that has added an additional sticker on their new trucks that helps you with the math on towing. This new sticker should be mandated from the manufacturers.
Always safety first! Again another job WELL DONE! Tell Mr. Bish to give you a raise, 😃
My pleasure
I’d do my own math before I relied on the manufacturer to be accurate/honest.
The hitch weight would be a nice metric to see on trailer specifications.
Thanks for this valuable information. This is not explained as simply as should be from other sources.
I still am not 100% happy with how it all came together but I think people can learn what they need to from this
I’ve seen small SUVs pulling 26’ and bigger cabin cruiser boats. The “it has a hitch so it’s ok” logic is too common.
Great 90’s pop references!!
I see it on Facebook every day
Also. Remember not to go chasing waterfalls
The biggest reason I'm subscribed to your channel Josh is not because you always miss the ice cream man in the summer 😂 it's because you've always had the safety before the sale mentality. I've been a truck driver for over 20 years and the amount of accidents I see with RVs from just not having the right vehicle combinations is actually really sad. I know you've done a video explaining this before but I like the visuals you did actually giving more context to the issue and I hope others will see it, they need to know what they can pull. I have suggested to my local RV dealership to have a class for potential buyers on towing safety, and I'm also an advocate that anyone pulling an RV needing to get a driver's license endorsement unless they hold a class A CDL. Keep up the good work my friend.
We are looking at purchasing an RV trailer. We have rented a couple of times and we are real fans of the information you provide on RUclips. If I understand correctly when my Yukon shows a Tongue Weight of 840 lbs using a WD system on the trailer hitch I can work with a trailer that has a hitch weight of 946? Sizing the correct WD system allows us to not overload the Yukon. For specifics see below. Now we need to find a sales staff in our part of the world as honest and direct as you.
Yukon (from the door sticker)
GVWR 7400
GCWR 14500
RGAWR 4300
Curb Weight 5673
Max Payload 1727
Conventional TWR 8400
Max Tongue W 840
Trailer Rockwood 2608BS
Hitch 946
UVW 6836
CCC 1910
Thank You for your thoughts. New Subscribers in Florida.
I don't think I'd recommend that pairing. Once cargo is loaded you'll likely be exceeding your hitch rating even with a weight distributing hitch
There's no hard math rule I can give you there as to how much weight is pushed off the tongue I'm afraid
Great job Josh!
You explained it in a way the anyone can understand.
I could have posted this video four times on Facebook in the last 24 hours!
Thanks RV Nerd!
Please do! :)
You did a great job on this video . I sent this to my friend
Awesome thank you!
Don't blow a gasket Josh!!! You did great!!!
Well thankya
Bro this channel is amazing. Thank you!
Wow ty 😊
The cost of trucks is going to kill the RV industry. Even 1/2 ton trucks are getting pricey.
I would like to see some example numbers of towing capacity on a 4000lbs trailer, 8000lbs and 12000lbs travel trailer.
Apologies.. I don't quite follow the request as written
That's why i think it should be mandate for a driver to get some course to understand and master this knowledge. Too much peoples never tow anything and one day decide to equip with a 15,000 pounds of trailer and pick-up and here we go.
Really your trucks payload max capacity is the only thing ya need to be careful with. Because you will max that out before tow capacity. Especially on half tons
Thanks, Nerd. I agree with your information!
TY Bo!
Great Video!!😁
May be a dumb question, but does the Curb Weight include Fluids such as a full tank of GAS?
Also, I think I'm Still missing something... How do you find Gross COMBINED Vehicle Rating? 🤔
THANKS for This, and ALL your infomitave Vids!😊
Different auto builders may do it differently - apologies I am unsure
Thank you for the video. It helped us a lot. However, I did note that you did not mention the weight of fuel in the truck. Seems like that would calculate into the GVWR? a 34 or even 50 gallon tank will add a bit at 6-7 lbs/gallon
That would be cargo in the truck. Goes against vehicle payload
So, basically, unless you have a Heavy Duty 1 ton with a dually, you aren't towing anything over 37 feet or anything worth owning. The hitch weight + cargo + hitch receiver + passenger/driver are going to be far above the payload capacity of the truck. If you have a Heavy Duty 1 ton with a single wheel, you're pretty much in the same boat as dually 3/4 tons or 1/2 tons and have to resort to lesser quality brands to meet the payload vs. hitch weight demands. Good video.
Josie...your forgot to mention length. Longer and wider and taller means it will pickup more air from wind gust. I'd never pull a camper over 26ft with a half ton short wheel base
That is absolutely a factor for sure
I’m honestly surprised no one has come out with an app yet to cross reference all known vehicles and their stats with trailers and RVs. A database and Calculator is all it would really take, and someone that knows how to program. Sadly, I am not that person.
It actually would be very possible..
Thanks man👍
You bet!
Great visual to get the concept across. Thanks.
Glad you liked it!
Good info Josh as usual, only 1 mistake I saw was for the tow capacity, Gcwr- Gvwr is wrong, it should be unloaded vehicle weight instead, my new 350 dually has a 20k tow capacity, 28k GCWR, and a 14k Gvwr
*sigh* I get going in a flow and stuff comes out. God bless it!
Best I've heard it explained so far!
Glad it was helpful!