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It's rumored that Tolkien was invited into the Illuminati Secret Society, and he made symbolic reference to that evil organization in his writing. *Luciferians worship Saturn, the planet is...the Lord of The Rings *The One Eye...Sauron *"Mellon," the password to get in the Moria, the name of an Illuminati and bankers' dynasty. (The Bank of Banks, as the bank that services over 90% of the world’s top 100 banks) *Masonic rings were only worn by royalty, nobles, and religious officials. Later, they became an important seal for traders and merchants. These rings dictate one’s status along with their brotherhood.
I like how Eru Iluvatar (literally god) came down and reshaped the world, destroyed an army, and sunk a continent just to foil Sauron's plans, and Sauron was still like "I think I can make this world domination thing work."
Funny you should say that because at the very start of existence Eru makes it clear to Melkor that he isn't really that powerful and everything is according to Eru's plan. Melkor: how about we pretend that isn't true
Sauron: “All right let’s chill. Don’t kill me and please take me back to your island so I can be a useful prisioner and totally not brainwash your whole society from within.” Ar-Pharazon: “Hmmm, not suspicious at all.”
I've never read the books and honestly don't know how I ended up here but I've already watched 3 videos half an hour long and I'm going to read lotr asap.
@david wallace Actually Tolkien has explicitly claimed this was not the case. He hated allegory in writing as writers, but accepted it for readers. Meaning writers shouldn't make allegorical claims, best let that be to the imagination of the reader. WW1 especially had great influence on him so that comes to play in his stories but he never set out to write a WW1 allegorical epic.
@@eodico I agree that Tolkien always rejected that his work was allegorical but the more you read about WWI and his experience at the Somme the more you see themes in his stories that come directly from his experience of war. Things like the rotting bodies at the Dead Marshes, the PTSD of the Gondor soldiers exposed to the Wraiths and the crater filled desolation of Mordor. Almost all of Tolkien's best friends died in WWI which I believe accounts for his books showing such a real sense of loss. Tolkien became sick with Trench Fever which pulled him away from the front after 5 days and I think Frodo's lasting sickness may have been inspired by that. Although Tolkein healed, he was forever haunted by the fact he lived and all his friends died. What is interesting is to read LOTR which reflects England's experience in WWI which is that of going off to another place to fight battles in a more black and white good vs evil sense and compare it to the Witcher series which reflects the horrors and realities of Poland as nation occupied in WWII and the sense that there is no real good vs evil but varying degrees of corruption and moral relativism.
Sauron claimed to be a servant of the Valar from the Undying Land come to teach them stuff, and that was why they hadn't heard of him. Elrond and the other Elves were suspicious of him because he seemed a bit "too good to be true" and because that wasn't really how the Valar operated, and perhaps they could vaguely sense something evil about him.
I was always under the impression that the rings given to the dwarves did have their intended affect, just a different affect that the human ones. I thought the dwarven rings compounded the dwarves greedy and selfish nature, causing them even more so to retreat into their mines and underground cities and seek only to amass their fortunes, not caring about whats going on in the world around them, which is why very few dwarves ever take part in the various wars, and refused to help Thorin retake The Lonely Mountain, because they generally didnt care about anyone but themselves, thanks to the rings. i always thought that the rings essentially served not to corrupt the dwarves or directly hurt them, but just to placate them and keep them out of the conflicts to come.
According to Tolkien("Unfinished Tales" and appendixes to the "Lord Of The Ring") they made their wearers irrational at the most. Thror, Thorins grandfather, gave the last of the seven rings to his son and went to Moria with just one companion, where he got beheaded after entering alone. The other dwarfs cared greatly about this, hence the goblin wars. And Thorin wanted to march to the lonely mountain with an entire army, but Gandalf advised him that stealth and cunning might be more sucessful. The Hobbit-Movies got a lot wrong or changed it deliberately.
A job started by the power of that one stolen simalirion, I bet. The first act of greed and treason of the dwarves was when they restaurated the necklace that was to held the stolen simalirion. Imagine how dangerous that was being for so long in the possession of Morgoth himself. I think the rings were just infused with mopre magic.
The intended effect of the rings was to make everybody a Nâzgul enslaved to The One, so no, they didn't have the intended effect at all. That doesn't mean they had no effect mind you, just that they didn't do what they were supposed to do. But keep in mind none of the Rings were supposed to be for Men or Dwarves, technically they were supposed to enslave Elves, it's just that the Elves said "screw this" and only used the ones he didn't have a part on forging.
It's incredible to think that ONE MAN (with a little help from his son in editing and finishing some material) did all of this. Tolkien invented languages and created an entire world all on his own. We've never seen anything quite like it and we'll never see it again. Not from one person. When you realize that LOTR is just a TINY part of the ultimate story being told, it almost kind of blows your mind. He could have easily made a trilogy about Morgoth's rise and fall, Sauron's rise and fall (the first time), and dozens of other plot lines. Instead, he summarizes all of them in the additional material. The potential is there. Sadly, only Tolkien truly understood his universe and I'm afraid anyone else will make a mockery of it. We've got to remember that Tolkien was turned away by pretty much every publisher he want to, and he went to A LOT. The "experts" thought his story sucked and wouldn't sell.
Late to the party as usual, but just wanted to say a few things. First off, your comment is awesome and I absolutely agree. And it really SHOULD blow your mind, if you're aware of all of it. The broad scope, the detail, the expansive timeline, everything even down to the genealogy of the Ainur...Tolkien thought of all of it. And this universe, while not necessarily unrivaled in the things I just mentioned, puts to shame the vast majority of others.
You can make a case that Sauron succeded where Morgoth failed, he essentially forced Illuvatar to intervene to prevent complete catastrophy. It is very likely ArPharazon would have caused immense pain the the elves in Aman had eru not gotten involved.
I always imagined Sauron (in his human/elf form) looking and sounding like the actor that played Viserys Targaryen, Harry Lloyd. I bet that guy would be amazing playing Sauron in a live action.
I can't believe how many characters, settings, dates, and battles Tolkien created. Just keeping track of all these as a reader feels like a lobotomy. I can't imagine what Tolkien must felt creating and organizing all that.
well in the Books he is always in a physical form. After he lost the final battle of the second age, he lost his physical form for thousands of years. Them he start to regain power again and become the Necromancer, a being with physical form. After he was expelled by the wizards from his hiding, he regain his complete form in Mordor, and then start to prepare for his plan. The movies got wrong and put Sauron as a giant eye, even trough this was not was the books meant by eye of sauron
I really like your channel and watching your video's. There is however one thing that I need to set straight. When Celebrimbor sent away the three Elven rings of power, he sent 2 to Gil Galad and the 1 to Galadriël. After some time Gil Galad gives one of the rings to Cirdan and one to Elrond. Cirdan then gives his ring to Gandalf. And then we have the three bearers that sail into the west after the events of The Lord of the Rings. Apart from that minor mistake, I really loved this video.
Thanks for watching and keeping me on my toes in regards to this detail. I did some digging and it sounds like there’s some contradiction on this depending on whether you’re reading LotR, Silmarillion, or Unfinished Tales. According to Tolkien Gateway... “In The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion, Gil-galad receives only Vilya, while Círdan receives Narya from the very beginning. In the Third Age, Círdan gave the ring to Gandalf for his labours. According to the Unfinished Tales, at the start of the War of the Elves and Sauron Celebrimbor gave Narya together with the Ring Vilya to Gil-galad, High King of the Noldor. Gil-galad entrusted Narya to his lieutenant Círdan, Lord of the Havens of Mithlond, who kept it after Gil-galad's death.” Interesting stuff! Thanks again for bringing this to my attention. I had no idea this small inconsistency was a thing!
We are all learning together and from each other! That’s one of the most fun things to come from running this channel, I think. Thanks again for watching and commenting!
The timing of this posting couldn't be better! I was writing a script with people from china in it, and you posted this! I really appreciate it, and this music is awesome
That is because it lies for the most part in tolkiens unfinished works, which he never wanted to be published himself. I didn't read them myself, but I would imagine they do not hold enough detail to make a whole movie out of it and if someone did fans would get angry, because they would have to make up a lot of stuff to fill the gaps.
There might be ideas for at least twenty movies in Silmarillion alone. They just haven't been written fully as novels, so there would be a lot of work to do first with dialog etc. But the amount of possible content is definitely overwhelming with Tolkien.
A movie, or even a series of movies can only hold so much information. To accommodate all the detail of these works, even if just sticking to the "important stuff" would require more movies than any studio or backer could afford to pony up for.
I have just binged about 4-5 of your videos and by the Valar, they are awesome. I've never managed to bring myself to try and tackle The Silmarrilion and other works of lore, for fear of either not understanding, or becoming lost. But these videos are so PERFECT. The simplicity, the visual cues, the simple language and occasional quotes, the use of maps and pictures, it's so amazingly perfect. I understand everything clearly, I get excited knowing that I am understanding the complex and stunning world of Tolkein just a little more. I respect him so much more now, he had aa STORY and he told it so well, and I thank you for making that incredible story just a little easier to pursue and understand and love. Even this simple storytelling, with perfectly articulate visual cues, is so, so much better than Rings of Failure. I'd watch your content for hours on end, getting the entirety of perfectly book-accurate explainations, rather than watch one of the most interesting time of the elves be butchered before my eyes in that vile mound of Amazon refuse. TLDR; Thank you so much for breaking this down for us, so we can love Tolkien and his world even more.
I hope we get to see all this in the amazon series, I mean Sauron is basically the lord of the rings so it would be cool to see him as one of the leading roles
Many years of dedication. I mean, he was a genius but anyone could create a lot of history if they had the dedication, it might not be as epic but you could do it. He was obsessed, at it for decades. And a genius.
Give an Englishman a well stocked cottage in the shire, a pipe, and some tabac... and, erm... and some sheep... Give 'em time, they'll weave you a yarn..
I love your videos! Great presentation and nicely concise scripts. It's easy to get wordy when explaining Tolkien, and you do a very good job of staying simple and clear. As someone named after him, I would love to see a video about Celeborn sometime. He doesn't get the spotlight too often. A video about him and Galadriel would be very interesting to watch!
I love middle earth docs. These are brilliant. We always appreciate your hard work and dedication towards these videos. We know it takes a lot of time and hard work to make these videos.
This is one of many stories from the Silmarillion. If you're interested, I definitely recommend reading it. There are so many great characters introduced there and it explains a lot of the background of the LotR and the Hobbit.
I just finished the Hobbit and LotR trilogies for the umpteenth time this past week. This video has been so insightful and answered a few questions about, especially in LotR. Thank you so much for enriching my favorite movies!
I have a few questions… was Sauron’s ring with him when he surrendered to Numenor? If so how was it not lost in the destruction of Numenor? How did it get back to middle earth?
I'm so glad I discovered your channel! I'm just getting into Tolkiens world and your videos are very helpful! :) I dunno if you're gonna read this but I'd just have one question for you: as someone who's only seen the movies (several times) what order would you recommend to read the books in?
Basically, I recommend the books in order of difficulty: Hobbit LOTR Children of Húrin Unfinished Tales Silmarillion Beren & Lúthien Fall of Gondolin History of Middle-earth
I love the Lore of this world. Medieval era is one thing, but the elves, and dwarves are such an interesting piece added to what I already adore about medieval times.
within this you can see many true parallels of myths in our world from Atlantas to the subversive tactics to morgoth, fascinating stuff. no wonder Tolkien said he "discovered" LOTR
There are call backs to all kinds of classics ( Beowulf, Arthurian legends, Viking legends, etc) in Tolkien's work as well as mythology/religion. He was extremely well read and wove themes from all over the world into his work.
There's a lot of Carthage and Constantinople here too. The world of Men is basically the Byzantine Empire: a shadow of a once great power still fighting the 'long defeat'
Hopefully Amazon is very accurate and shows most of these events well in the New Tv show . Hopefully I'll be left mind blown on how good it is . Cause it'll be very dissapointing that this is one of if not thee best fantasies in the world . And so many others are getting tv shows and movie series and middle earth hasn't been seen or touched in some time . So I hope Amazon knows what they're doing about this . Hope they're not nervous but just to be clear they are touching very valuable concepts of fantasy arts and I hope they make it very well . I have a lot of hope but I also have some doubt . Not very many people have experience with middle earth . And I'm hoping they reach to Peter Jacksons standards of epicness .
Thanks, hunter! I hear ya. I’m excited and nervous at the same time. I’m hoping they learn the right lessons from successful fantasy shows without trying to turn LotR into something it’s not. I wanna tell them: “If there’s over the top gore or nudity, you’re doing it wrong. Start over, try again!” Lol
@@NerdoftheRings Hi. I agree there should be minimum amount of nudity and sex, but what about gore? Just look at this video: Celebrimbor is tortured and then his body is used as a banner. There should be some amount of gore in the series as well.
I love all of your edits and easy to follow storytelling. This elite English literature is an important subject for all to read. Not since Chaucer, Shakespeare or Milton do we have such a level of influence on the language itself. I loved Milton's history as he read himself literally blind and had his kids transcribe much of Paradise Lost. JRRT adds more romance than Milton. He has Shakespeare's heart and Milton's mind. That my friends is the making of a storytelling soo well thought out and just as much well felt within the reader. Thank you lord of the nerds..
I never realized how much of Tolkien's ideas have been infused into the Forgotten Realms. except, in the Forgotten Realms, there's dozens of authors to write about and keep track of it all; Tolkien did it all himself like a true baller 😎👍
Ok, Morgoth was grander and seemingly more threatening, but seriously- The fact that Sauron was able to take control of Numenor in like, 3 years is fricking terrifying! There is nothing more terrifying nor consistent than corruption.
This is a fantastic question! I’ve seen some people online hypothesize about him leaving the ring in Mordor, but that isn’t accurate. I wanted to wait and reply when I could cite my thoughts on this. Here’s what we get from Tolkien Letter 221... ‘He naturally had the One Ring, and so very soon dominated the minds and wills of most of the Númenóreans.’ (So, he definitely had the ring in Numenor.) ‘Though reduced to 'a spirit of hatred borne on a dark wind', I do not think one need boggle at this spirit carrying off the One Ring, upon which his power of dominating minds now largely depended. ‘ (So even in spirit form, being a Maia, he could possess the ring.) This would lead one to ask why he couldn’t just do the same after being killed in the Last Alliance. My best guess here is the difference is there was someone there (Isildur) who, after Sauron’s body is killed, cuts the ring off and takes it for his own. This not only keeps him from taking the ring, but further weakens him and slows his return, not having the ring which he poured so much of himself into.
@@NerdoftheRings Thanks! I did not know Tolkien addressed this. I guess if you were down at the beach at the right moment you could have seen the ring floating out of the ocean and off to Morder?
I’m learning a lot about sauron that I didn’t know as we see him as he is in the third age. The Lord of the Rings is his end but the Hobbit is his last comeback. It’s nice to see see what he was capable of and what he was doing.
There are more than enough incredible characters, events and stories set during the 1st or 2nd ages to comprise an entire series devoted to either of them. When this is fully achieved lets hope its done right and done fully with as much of the original content as possible included.
As far as downright intentional cruelty goes, i dont think you can get worse then sauron. Sure, morgoth was the origin and his master/teacher but sauron went down some dark paths that morgoth was to unstable and mad to venture down into. Morgoth thought of the most messed up things but he rarely got to it. Sauron on the other hand, burning the numenoreans alive as human sacrifice, decieving them into sailing to their doom. Lying about a mans wife in order to get info, and then telling him she was dead when he got what he wanted and killing him. Having people eaten by warewolf one by one. Tricking fingolfin into making the rings of power, only to destroy his people, kill him and use his dead body as a banner ahead of his army. And then there is the nazgul and what he did to them. The balrogs etc were corrupted and evil naturally from the begining, becoming almost more like powerful animals in mind. Sauron on the other hand did it not because of orders, but of his own will because he enjoyed it. Gorthaur the cruel indeed.
@@paulbohman4134 Be gone, ye servants of Sauron. Never shall you assail the free peoples of Middle Earth while an heir of Elendil sits upon the throne of Gondor. JK #equalopportunitiesformiddledearth
The narration of this video TOTALLY under rates & dismisses the IMPACT of Sauron's military defeat in the Second Age. Sauron was at his STRONGEST; He wore his one ruling ring & had his original fair form. He had COMPLETELY devastated Middle-Earth with the exceptions of Elf & Dwarven Kingdoms. He was literally on the verge of conquering the elves when at the last possible moment the NUMENOREANS show up in the harborage of the Grey Havens in Lindon & COMPLETELY ROUTED ALL HIS ARMIES both there & further south at a river mouth anchorage leaving Sauron THOROUGHLY BATTERED & BEATEN with only barely a body-guard left to him; This happened despite the fact he turned tail to mordor WITH his one ruling ring & original "physical" fair form. It was after he was beaten & HUMILIATED that he swore vengeance against Numenor. Middle-Earth's version of "Atlantis". The NUMENOREANS were three times as long-lived, wiser, taller, & fairer than any other of mankind during the second age. They were such bad asses that even after Numenor sunk beneath the waves, Sauron STILL could not destroy their "Middle-Earth" Kingdoms until after he lost the last alliance & the Numenoreans "devolved/corrupted" into "lesser" men like those of Middle-Earth.
I just read LOTR for the 6th time but first since the movies came out and I was surprised to realize how exactly they followed the books down to verbatim dialogue. This makes me worry about the new TV series a bit. They better get some fine writers or its just not going to work at all
You're telling me that a evil elf warlord is taken as a prisoner of war and in three years he becomes an adviser and convinces there king the build a temple with human sacrifices and no one frickin noticed this.
Apparently the Numenoreans by this time were not the brightest bunch. 😂 It should be noted that not everyone was on board with it (Elendil, Isildur, etc). But still...pretty crazy.
It's not an evil elf lord. It's Maia, divine spirit, angelic beam, with much more wisdom, and strength, then any, even strongest elfs, let alone man (or numenorians). They had no idea who he was, and how powerful (and much much smarter) he was. 3 years is actually quite a long period, considering that he was like scientist, and they were like lab mouses.
After Elros, the first Numenorean king, died, his successors and the Numenoreans in general became increasingly arrogant. By the time they “captured” Sauron they were ripe to be duped.
An important thing to note is that Sauron was actually wearing the One Ring while he was taken to Numenor. This would definitely make it easier for him to persuade and corrupt men into turning towards worshipping Morgoth. He fooled them into thinking the Valar were withholding immortality from men and that Morgoth was the real God of Middle Earth.
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One of the best
Exactly this guy was amazing
It's rumored that Tolkien was invited into the Illuminati Secret Society, and he made symbolic reference to that evil organization in his writing.
*Luciferians worship Saturn, the planet is...the Lord of The Rings
*The One Eye...Sauron
*"Mellon," the password to get in the Moria, the name of an Illuminati and bankers' dynasty. (The Bank of Banks, as the bank that services over 90% of the world’s top 100 banks)
*Masonic rings were only worn by royalty, nobles, and religious officials. Later, they became an important seal for traders and merchants. These rings dictate one’s status along with their brotherhood.
I like how Eru Iluvatar (literally god) came down and reshaped the world, destroyed an army, and sunk a continent just to foil Sauron's plans, and Sauron was still like "I think I can make this world domination thing work."
Funny you should say that because at the very start of existence Eru makes it clear to Melkor that he isn't really that powerful and everything is according to Eru's plan.
Melkor: how about we pretend that isn't true
@@noradosmith I mean, no wonder Pride is considered by Christianity's to be the worst sin.
Eru sunk Numenor because they had become alltogther evil.
That's the kind of positive attitude you need to have.
Well… I guess perseverance is a virtue?
4:10 Sauron: "I am the Lord of the Earth and King of Men."
Numenorians: "Heard y'are talking shit..."
Numenorians: "We have come to a consensus of 'No.'"
Numenorian King : "I found an advisor"
Numenorians: "You are talking mad shit for someone in great ships and high men army distance."
Sauron: “All right let’s chill. Don’t kill me and please take me back to your island so I can be a useful prisioner and totally not brainwash your whole society from within.”
Ar-Pharazon: “Hmmm, not suspicious at all.”
@@jakobrenner2230 If only it were true they had been brainwashed…
I've never read the books and honestly don't know how I ended up here but I've already watched 3 videos half an hour long and I'm going to read lotr asap.
That’s awesome! Glad I could encourage you to dive in to the books! Thanks for watching/subscribing!!
@david wallace Actually Tolkien has explicitly claimed this was not the case. He hated allegory in writing as writers, but accepted it for readers. Meaning writers shouldn't make allegorical claims, best let that be to the imagination of the reader.
WW1 especially had great influence on him so that comes to play in his stories but he never set out to write a WW1 allegorical epic.
@@eodico I agree that Tolkien always rejected that his work was allegorical but the more you read about WWI and his experience at the Somme the more you see themes in his stories that come directly from his experience of war. Things like the rotting bodies at the Dead Marshes, the PTSD of the Gondor soldiers exposed to the Wraiths and the crater filled desolation of Mordor. Almost all of Tolkien's best friends died in WWI which I believe accounts for his books showing such a real sense of loss. Tolkien became sick with Trench Fever which pulled him away from the front after 5 days and I think Frodo's lasting sickness may have been inspired by that. Although Tolkein healed, he was forever haunted by the fact he lived and all his friends died.
What is interesting is to read LOTR which reflects England's experience in WWI which is that of going off to another place to fight battles in a more black and white good vs evil sense and compare it to the Witcher series which reflects the horrors and realities of Poland as nation occupied in WWII and the sense that there is no real good vs evil but varying degrees of corruption and moral relativism.
*_LOTR_* is the Father to all _Fantasy_
Nümenor = Atlantis
Sauron was essentially the main character in the Second Age. Nothing significant was really going on that didn't involve him.
He caused most of the significant things that happened in that age.
That's why the books collectively are called "The Lord of the Rings."
@@peterconway6584 That's during the Third Age tho
@@Light-fx6yt True.
If you think about it he’s technically the main character in middle-earth.
Elrond must have been like, "Guys we are thousands of years old, and none of us know who this guy is!"
Its a fair point
New elves was still being born though... It was a possibity that he was just some young one. Or Tom Bombadil kind of entity.
yes because Elrond knows every single elf that has ever existed
Sauron claimed to be a servant of the Valar from the Undying Land come to teach them stuff, and that was why they hadn't heard of him. Elrond and the other Elves were suspicious of him because he seemed a bit "too good to be true" and because that wasn't really how the Valar operated, and perhaps they could vaguely sense something evil about him.
"My lord, I've never seen this man before in my life."
"he was never again able to take on his fair form"
Shadow of war: "yeah but what if he did though"
Ok, hear me out..... What if the games are a prequel to Lord Of The Rings?
@@TheHebrewHammer The games that evolves Middle-Earth are nom-canon
@@TheHebrewHammer *non-canon
@@TheHebrewHammer he lost his fare form in the 2nd Age the games take place in the 3rd
@@gabrield.alencar4733 i know its been a month but you can edit comments
I was always under the impression that the rings given to the dwarves did have their intended affect, just a different affect that the human ones. I thought the dwarven rings compounded the dwarves greedy and selfish nature, causing them even more so to retreat into their mines and underground cities and seek only to amass their fortunes, not caring about whats going on in the world around them, which is why very few dwarves ever take part in the various wars, and refused to help Thorin retake The Lonely Mountain, because they generally didnt care about anyone but themselves, thanks to the rings. i always thought that the rings essentially served not to corrupt the dwarves or directly hurt them, but just to placate them and keep them out of the conflicts to come.
According to Tolkien("Unfinished Tales" and appendixes to the "Lord Of The Ring") they made their wearers irrational at the most. Thror, Thorins grandfather, gave the last of the seven rings to his son and went to Moria with just one companion, where he got beheaded after entering alone. The other dwarfs cared greatly about this, hence the goblin wars. And Thorin wanted to march to the lonely mountain with an entire army, but Gandalf advised him that stealth and cunning might be more sucessful. The Hobbit-Movies got a lot wrong or changed it deliberately.
A job started by the power of that one stolen simalirion, I bet. The first act of greed and treason of the dwarves was when they restaurated the necklace that was to held the stolen simalirion. Imagine how dangerous that was being for so long in the possession of Morgoth himself. I think the rings were just infused with mopre magic.
@@Mantil82 Gandalf says???
Pride for Elf,
Greed for Dwarves,
and Men shall be consumed by Envy
The intended effect of the rings was to make everybody a Nâzgul enslaved to The One, so no, they didn't have the intended effect at all. That doesn't mean they had no effect mind you, just that they didn't do what they were supposed to do. But keep in mind none of the Rings were supposed to be for Men or Dwarves, technically they were supposed to enslave Elves, it's just that the Elves said "screw this" and only used the ones he didn't have a part on forging.
It's incredible to think that ONE MAN (with a little help from his son in editing and finishing some material) did all of this. Tolkien invented languages and created an entire world all on his own. We've never seen anything quite like it and we'll never see it again. Not from one person.
When you realize that LOTR is just a TINY part of the ultimate story being told, it almost kind of blows your mind. He could have easily made a trilogy about Morgoth's rise and fall, Sauron's rise and fall (the first time), and dozens of other plot lines. Instead, he summarizes all of them in the additional material. The potential is there. Sadly, only Tolkien truly understood his universe and I'm afraid anyone else will make a mockery of it.
We've got to remember that Tolkien was turned away by pretty much every publisher he want to, and he went to A LOT. The "experts" thought his story sucked and wouldn't sell.
Late to the party as usual, but just wanted to say a few things. First off, your comment is awesome and I absolutely agree. And it really SHOULD blow your mind, if you're aware of all of it. The broad scope, the detail, the expansive timeline, everything even down to the genealogy of the Ainur...Tolkien thought of all of it. And this universe, while not necessarily unrivaled in the things I just mentioned, puts to shame the vast majority of others.
Eru coming down like, Nope! Gonna nip that shit right in the bud.
I am altering the tune, pray I do not alter it further.
You can make a case that Sauron succeded where Morgoth failed, he essentially forced Illuvatar to intervene to prevent complete catastrophy. It is very likely ArPharazon would have caused immense pain the the elves in Aman had eru not gotten involved.
I always imagined Sauron (in his human/elf form) looking and sounding like the actor that played Viserys Targaryen, Harry Lloyd. I bet that guy would be amazing playing Sauron in a live action.
Right a weaver of tales with a voice you would listen to but not really feel threatened by
I can't believe how many characters, settings, dates, and battles Tolkien created. Just keeping track of all these as a reader feels like a lobotomy. I can't imagine what Tolkien must felt creating and organizing all that.
True but keep in mind that it took him the greater part of his life to do so and he left many works unfinished when he died
Tolkien was a complete genius. I mean he created the Hobbit in the trenches of WW1.
@@erikbender1967 he modeled Mordor after the battlefield.
@@WCLCooke that would make sense. Thanks.
I believe he literally created the elven language like a full on alphabet and dictionary
Changing the world from flat, to round. Interesting.
I would like to see in a movie Sauron in his physical form and not as an spiritual evil force.
Amazon: 'just wait'
@@lordbillaire9638 *cough cough* anime
From the creators of Cruella:
SAURON'S BIG DAY OUT, starring Andrew Garfield. Only on Disney +
😂
@@LeanBack_HaveASnack_TakeANap Sauron just wanted to bring jobs to the free people of Middle Earth 🤣
well in the Books he is always in a physical form. After he lost the final battle of the second age, he lost his physical form for thousands of years. Them he start to regain power again and become the Necromancer, a being with physical form. After he was expelled by the wizards from his hiding, he regain his complete form in Mordor, and then start to prepare for his plan. The movies got wrong and put Sauron as a giant eye, even trough this was not was the books meant by eye of sauron
I really like your channel and watching your video's. There is however one thing that I need to set straight. When Celebrimbor sent away the three Elven rings of power, he sent 2 to Gil Galad and the 1 to Galadriël. After some time Gil Galad gives one of the rings to Cirdan and one to Elrond. Cirdan then gives his ring to Gandalf. And then we have the three bearers that sail into the west after the events of The Lord of the Rings. Apart from that minor mistake, I really loved this video.
Thanks for watching and keeping me on my toes in regards to this detail. I did some digging and it sounds like there’s some contradiction on this depending on whether you’re reading LotR, Silmarillion, or Unfinished Tales. According to Tolkien Gateway...
“In The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion, Gil-galad receives only Vilya, while Círdan receives Narya from the very beginning. In the Third Age, Círdan gave the ring to Gandalf for his labours.
According to the Unfinished Tales, at the start of the War of the Elves and Sauron Celebrimbor gave Narya together with the Ring Vilya to Gil-galad, High King of the Noldor. Gil-galad entrusted Narya to his lieutenant Círdan, Lord of the Havens of Mithlond, who kept it after Gil-galad's death.”
Interesting stuff! Thanks again for bringing this to my attention. I had no idea this small inconsistency was a thing!
@@NerdoftheRings Thanks for getting this to my attention. This I didn't know.
We are all learning together and from each other! That’s one of the most fun things to come from running this channel, I think. Thanks again for watching and commenting!
Why is Sauron as Annatar so uncomfortably fine tho...
RIGHT!? Im glad I’m not the only one who thought that 😂
@The Last Son eating fruit cakes makes you fine? Damn! Gonna get me some of that
Why did you think the Númenorans kept him around? Men DO think with their dicks
It's as Frodo described when speaking of the Enemy.
"An Agent of Evil would _look fairer...but feel fouler."_
I believe that would be the point, yes.
The timing of this posting couldn't be better! I was writing a script with people from china in it, and you posted this!
I really appreciate it, and this music is awesome
"Guy out here calling himself The Lord of Gifts! Should I let him in, or...?"
Preparing for amazon series , I'm gonna follow u now.
Same.
Sauron in the Second Age was basically a Final Fantasy antagonist. Both scheming and with fabulous hair.
Your content is amazing dude, thanks for the meticulous work!!
Thanks for watching/subscribing! Glad you are enjoying the channel!
0:12
Sauron: *"I'M OUT!"*
Pretty thorough. Even for Non-Lord of the rings fans like myself. Made me wanna watch fellowship of the ring again.
It's insane how much more there is in the books that didn't even touch the big screen in 20 hours of LOTR/Hobbit movies.
Yes, there's still huge amount of source for future movies and/or series. Its all very fascinating.
That is because it lies for the most part in tolkiens unfinished works, which he never wanted to be published himself. I didn't read them myself, but I would imagine they do not hold enough detail to make a whole movie out of it and if someone did fans would get angry, because they would have to make up a lot of stuff to fill the gaps.
@@morantNO1 No, a lot of this is in the Appendices of Return of the King, a work published by J.R.R. Tolkien himself.
There might be ideas for at least twenty movies in Silmarillion alone. They just haven't been written fully as novels, so there would be a lot of work to do first with dialog etc. But the amount of possible content is definitely overwhelming with Tolkien.
A movie, or even a series of movies can only hold so much information. To accommodate all the detail of these works, even if just sticking to the "important stuff" would require more movies than any studio or backer could afford to pony up for.
Truly amazing. I love the visual representations.
I have just binged about 4-5 of your videos and by the Valar, they are awesome. I've never managed to bring myself to try and tackle The Silmarrilion and other works of lore, for fear of either not understanding, or becoming lost. But these videos are so PERFECT. The simplicity, the visual cues, the simple language and occasional quotes, the use of maps and pictures, it's so amazingly perfect. I understand everything clearly, I get excited knowing that I am understanding the complex and stunning world of Tolkein just a little more.
I respect him so much more now, he had aa STORY and he told it so well, and I thank you for making that incredible story just a little easier to pursue and understand and love.
Even this simple storytelling, with perfectly articulate visual cues, is so, so much better than Rings of Failure. I'd watch your content for hours on end, getting the entirety of perfectly book-accurate explainations, rather than watch one of the most interesting time of the elves be butchered before my eyes in that vile mound of Amazon refuse.
TLDR; Thank you so much for breaking this down for us, so we can love Tolkien and his world even more.
This is amazing! Thanks for educating those (including me) who can't get through the Silmarillion :)
if only rings of power had followed all this properly.
It's hard to tell which is more corrupted, Sauron, or Amazon's version of this 2nd age ?!
Yes
I hope we get to see all this in the amazon series, I mean Sauron is basically the lord of the rings so it would be cool to see him as one of the leading roles
Dude.... how the fuck did Tolkien create all of this lore, it's insane how complex and deep it is.
He started it in World War 1 and continued it until his death.
His insane dedication is what did it
some people just have great minds, and then you have someone in love with his work so put the two together and you get this gem.
Many years of dedication. I mean, he was a genius but anyone could create a lot of history if they had the dedication, it might not be as epic but you could do it. He was obsessed, at it for decades. And a genius.
@@no_nameyouknow anybody can write, doesnt make it great. you answered it yourself lol
Give an Englishman a well stocked cottage in the shire, a pipe, and some tabac... and, erm... and some sheep... Give 'em time, they'll weave you a yarn..
You’re great! You deserved more subscribers!
I love your videos! Great presentation and nicely concise scripts. It's easy to get wordy when explaining Tolkien, and you do a very good job of staying simple and clear. As someone named after him, I would love to see a video about Celeborn sometime. He doesn't get the spotlight too often. A video about him and Galadriel would be very interesting to watch!
Thanks for watching! I’ll definitely add Celeborn to my video queue! I’m always happy to hear requests. 😊
Bro pls is ur actual name celeborn
@@harleyspeedthrust4013 one of my friends is named Evenstar. Thankfully she has a good sense of humour about it
@@marysmith7765 Evenstar or Undómiel?
I love middle earth docs. These are brilliant. We always appreciate your hard work and dedication towards these videos. We know it takes a lot of time and hard work to make these videos.
So im a fan of LOTR. Maybe not a big fan but a fan and let me tell my head is exploding from all this knowledge hahah
This is one of many stories from the Silmarillion. If you're interested, I definitely recommend reading it.
There are so many great characters introduced there and it explains a lot of the background of the LotR and the Hobbit.
@@sebastianjost from all his books, would you read those first or the hobbits?
@@taelorcarson9799 Read The Hobbit first. All of the other books after that are incredibly complicated.
I just finished the Hobbit and LotR trilogies for the umpteenth time this past week. This video has been so insightful and answered a few questions about, especially in LotR. Thank you so much for enriching my favorite movies!
This felt like 10 hours long, it was stuffed with soo much lore I had to constantly rewind!!!
I have a few questions… was Sauron’s ring with him when he surrendered to Numenor? If so how was it not lost in the destruction of Numenor? How did it get back to middle earth?
I found the answer in a previous comment.
@@aaronadams8481 Just know that these are very contentious questions, and there are several opinions
Very clear and concise description of the winding & cluttered history of the Ring.
Yeah diving into the lore lately and your videos are excellent
Thanks! Glad you are enjoying the channel! :)
Already watched this months ago, but again ... this is so awesome to watch over and over again.
I'm so glad I discovered your channel! I'm just getting into Tolkiens world and your videos are very helpful! :) I dunno if you're gonna read this but I'd just have one question for you: as someone who's only seen the movies (several times) what order would you recommend to read the books in?
Basically, I recommend the books in order of difficulty:
Hobbit
LOTR
Children of Húrin
Unfinished Tales
Silmarillion
Beren & Lúthien
Fall of Gondolin
History of Middle-earth
I love the Lore of this world. Medieval era is one thing, but the elves, and dwarves are such an interesting piece added to what I already adore about medieval times.
within this you can see many true parallels of myths in our world from Atlantas to the subversive tactics to morgoth, fascinating stuff. no wonder Tolkien said he "discovered" LOTR
There are call backs to all kinds of classics ( Beowulf, Arthurian legends, Viking legends, etc) in Tolkien's work as well as mythology/religion. He was extremely well read and wove themes from all over the world into his work.
There's a lot of Carthage and Constantinople here too. The world of Men is basically the Byzantine Empire: a shadow of a once great power still fighting the 'long defeat'
Congrats on 200k!
Thanks so much!!
After that video i am definitely going to read the books.
Just discovered you and I'm sooooo excited. Good stuff!!
The illustration of Annatar is beautiful, androgynous and pale 💜
I would probably give in to temptation of his beauty
Wow.... I finally understand what numenor is now. Great Video
I have to say, Sauron is a pretty boy in these visuals lol
He is supposed to be, he is a maiar after all.
If he's not pleasing to the eye, then he isn't going to trick the other races. Especially elves, with his offers of magical rings.
Now I ain't gay....... *But*
@@davidturner6280 he is a maia* ;)
@@avienated true, ty ,:)
Really enjoying this content. I remember being so lost when I was younger, reading the Silmarillion!
I’ve read it 3 times and went through the audiobook twice and I’m STILL lost haha. This kind of content makes it a lot easier to digest.
we need more videos like that, its so cool !
Imo the best, most well written, organized fiction ever written.
01:08 That depiction of Sauron really puts the emphasis on his ability to decieve cuz god damn I'd hit that
This channel is gold!
So glad you found the channel and are enjoying it. Thanks for watching/subscribing!
Outstanding video - thank you for the attention to detail and the visuals!
We need more movies
I wish they'd make a motion picture of Sauron, or maybe a series (HBO or Disney+) starting way back in the first age and goes through everything.
I just discovered your channel and I'm binging your videos! 👍
Hopefully Amazon is very accurate and shows most of these events well in the New Tv show . Hopefully I'll be left mind blown on how good it is . Cause it'll be very dissapointing that this is one of if not thee best fantasies in the world . And so many others are getting tv shows and movie series and middle earth hasn't been seen or touched in some time . So I hope Amazon knows what they're doing about this . Hope they're not nervous but just to be clear they are touching very valuable concepts of fantasy arts and I hope they make it very well . I have a lot of hope but I also have some doubt . Not very many people have experience with middle earth . And I'm hoping they reach to Peter Jacksons standards of epicness .
And great video by the way
Thanks, hunter! I hear ya. I’m excited and nervous at the same time. I’m hoping they learn the right lessons from successful fantasy shows without trying to turn LotR into something it’s not.
I wanna tell them: “If there’s over the top gore or nudity, you’re doing it wrong. Start over, try again!” Lol
@@NerdoftheRings Hi. I agree there should be minimum amount of nudity and sex, but what about gore? Just look at this video: Celebrimbor is tortured and then his body is used as a banner. There should be some amount of gore in the series as well.
I hope they don't fail in accuracy and respecting the original like Peter Jackson did with LotR movies.
I thought they did a great job with LotR. Now if we wanna get into some of the choices made in regards to the Hobbit...
Great synopsis!!!
I love all of your edits and easy to follow storytelling. This elite English literature is an important subject for all to read. Not since Chaucer, Shakespeare or Milton do we have such a level of influence on the language itself. I loved Milton's history as he read himself literally blind and had his kids transcribe much of Paradise Lost. JRRT adds more romance than Milton. He has Shakespeare's heart and Milton's mind. That my friends is the making of a storytelling soo well thought out and just as much well felt within the reader. Thank you lord of the nerds..
That was awesome! Great info!
I never realized how much of Tolkien's ideas have been infused into the Forgotten Realms. except, in the Forgotten Realms, there's dozens of authors to write about and keep track of it all; Tolkien did it all himself like a true baller 😎👍
did you read the three other books his son chris finished for him after JR's death?
Love the channel, fellow Tolkien nerd.
o so sauron was a maia..?
honestly I have no idea whats going on but I like to listen
Finally a video about LOTR lore where am not completely lost and confused.
please accept my like.
Ok, Morgoth was grander and seemingly more threatening, but seriously-
The fact that Sauron was able to take control of Numenor in like, 3 years is fricking terrifying!
There is nothing more terrifying nor consistent than corruption.
Another amazing video. So interesting.
How does he manage to keep the one ring in the destruction of Numenor?
This is a fantastic question! I’ve seen some people online hypothesize about him leaving the ring in Mordor, but that isn’t accurate. I wanted to wait and reply when I could cite my thoughts on this. Here’s what we get from Tolkien Letter 221...
‘He naturally had the One Ring, and so very soon dominated the minds and wills of most of the Númenóreans.’ (So, he definitely had the ring in Numenor.)
‘Though reduced to 'a spirit of hatred borne on a dark wind', I do not think one need boggle at this spirit carrying off the One Ring, upon which his power of dominating minds now largely depended. ‘ (So even in spirit form, being a Maia, he could possess the ring.)
This would lead one to ask why he couldn’t just do the same after being killed in the Last Alliance. My best guess here is the difference is there was someone there (Isildur) who, after Sauron’s body is killed, cuts the ring off and takes it for his own. This not only keeps him from taking the ring, but further weakens him and slows his return, not having the ring which he poured so much of himself into.
@@NerdoftheRings Thanks! I did not know Tolkien addressed this. I guess if you were down at the beach at the right moment you could have seen the ring floating out of the ocean and off to Morder?
I’m learning a lot about sauron that I didn’t know as we see him as he is in the third age. The Lord of the Rings is his end but the Hobbit is his last comeback. It’s nice to see see what he was capable of and what he was doing.
If this is what Amazon's lotr series is about they better not ruin it!
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There are more than enough incredible characters, events and stories set during the 1st or 2nd ages to comprise an entire series devoted to either of them. When this is fully achieved lets hope its done right and done fully with as much of the original content as possible included.
Very Great 👊🌫️
Subbed, what a great channel
Thanks! So glad you’re enjoying the videos!
i’ve always wondered how the nazgul were created and damnnnnn
It’s literally explained in the first movie lol
@@aledg25 ok but not as detailed lol
Dude, once you're sacrificing people, you can be confident that you've taken a wrong turn somewhere.
Seems a logical conclusion! Haha
As far as downright intentional cruelty goes, i dont think you can get worse then sauron. Sure, morgoth was the origin and his master/teacher but sauron went down some dark paths that morgoth was to unstable and mad to venture down into. Morgoth thought of the most messed up things but he rarely got to it. Sauron on the other hand, burning the numenoreans alive as human sacrifice, decieving them into sailing to their doom. Lying about a mans wife in order to get info, and then telling him she was dead when he got what he wanted and killing him. Having people eaten by warewolf one by one. Tricking fingolfin into making the rings of power, only to destroy his people, kill him and use his dead body as a banner ahead of his army. And then there is the nazgul and what he did to them. The balrogs etc were corrupted and evil naturally from the begining, becoming almost more like powerful animals in mind. Sauron on the other hand did it not because of orders, but of his own will because he enjoyed it. Gorthaur the cruel indeed.
Its so dope you get to play as Celebrimbor in shadow of war
WHATTT
@@n.3167 dude. Yes. The lore is one of the best part of the game, look into the story, its so good.
Apparently Sauron was a cutie. At least according to the pictures in this video.
And this is what the Amazon series should be like...
i am currently simping for sauron
That orc in the bottom left just trying to live his best life 2:50
It would be amazing to see a new trilogy telling the story of and the fall of morgoth.
Awesome video!👍
Thanks!!
@@NerdoftheRings your welcome 🙂👍
gilgalad almost sounds like gigachad
Levels of LOTR Nerdom:
-Casuals: Frodo, Sam, Gandalf, Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli, Boromir, Merry, Pippin
-LOTR Nerds: Frodo Baggins, Samwise Gamgee, Mithrandir, Aragorn son of Arathorn/Aragorn Elessar, Legolas son of Thranduil, Gimli son of Gloin, Bromir -son of Denethor, Meriadoc Brandybuck, Peregrin Took
-Real LOTR Nerds: Celebrimbor, Elendil, Radagast, Gil-Galad, Gwaihir, Anarion, Cirdan, Narsil, Glamdring
-True Men of the West: Melkor, Feanor, Thingol, Earendil, Luthien, Hurin, Glaurung, Manwe
I am a True man of the West then! ❤️❤️❤️
What about us Easterlings?
@@paulbohman4134 Be gone, ye servants of Sauron. Never shall you assail the free peoples of Middle Earth while an heir of Elendil sits upon the throne of Gondor.
JK #equalopportunitiesformiddledearth
I don't think you can put Radagast in the Real LOTR Nerds category as he's in the films and all--speaking purely as a casual LOTR nerd.
i would love to see a video on Cirdan!!!
Damn. That was great.
Wow, I never realized how long and ancient the history of the rings and Sauron are
There's a lot before this too. He was a shape changing werewolf in the Second Age.
@@politicallycorrectredskin796 and he was a Gian bat-like wampire and a great serpent too
I feel bad for Sauron because...well...
When he is an elf he is very handsome.
He's not an elf. He is a mayar.
@@smak8224 Thank you.
What books hold this knowledge?
The narration of this video TOTALLY under rates & dismisses the IMPACT of Sauron's military defeat in the Second Age.
Sauron was at his STRONGEST; He wore his one ruling ring & had his original fair form. He had COMPLETELY devastated Middle-Earth with the exceptions of Elf & Dwarven Kingdoms. He was literally on the verge of conquering the elves when
at the last possible moment the NUMENOREANS show up in the harborage of the Grey Havens in Lindon & COMPLETELY ROUTED ALL HIS ARMIES both there & further south at a river mouth anchorage leaving Sauron THOROUGHLY BATTERED & BEATEN with only barely a body-guard left to him; This happened despite the fact he turned tail to mordor WITH his one ruling
ring & original "physical" fair form. It was after he was beaten & HUMILIATED that he swore vengeance against Numenor.
Middle-Earth's version of "Atlantis". The NUMENOREANS were three times as long-lived, wiser, taller, & fairer than any other
of mankind during the second age. They were such bad asses that even after Numenor sunk beneath the waves, Sauron STILL
could not destroy their "Middle-Earth" Kingdoms until after he lost the last alliance & the Numenoreans "devolved/corrupted"
into "lesser" men like those of Middle-Earth.
And here it goes the rings of power.2022
I just read LOTR for the 6th time but first since the movies came out and I was surprised to realize how exactly they followed the books down to verbatim dialogue. This makes me worry about the new TV series a bit. They better get some fine writers or its just not going to work at all
You're telling me that a evil elf warlord is taken as a prisoner of war and in three years he becomes an adviser and convinces there king the build a temple with human sacrifices and no one frickin noticed this.
Apparently the Numenoreans by this time were not the brightest bunch. 😂 It should be noted that not everyone was on board with it (Elendil, Isildur, etc). But still...pretty crazy.
In the Bible a 20 year old dude that had dreams became the right hand man of Pharoah 🤣🤣🤣
It's not an evil elf lord. It's Maia, divine spirit, angelic beam, with much more wisdom, and strength, then any, even strongest elfs, let alone man (or numenorians).
They had no idea who he was, and how powerful (and much much smarter) he was.
3 years is actually quite a long period, considering that he was like scientist, and they were like lab mouses.
After Elros, the first Numenorean king, died, his successors and the Numenoreans in general became increasingly arrogant. By the time they “captured” Sauron they were ripe to be duped.
An important thing to note is that Sauron was actually wearing the One Ring while he was taken to Numenor. This would definitely make it easier for him to persuade and corrupt men into turning towards worshipping Morgoth. He fooled them into thinking the Valar were withholding immortality from men and that Morgoth was the real God of Middle Earth.
Typ, awesome Video. Didnt knew all of it ^^
This would be an awesome amazon series