I had a deep discussion with a classmate in 93 over STP and Pearl Jam. I suggested STP as the better band and would have a long career. He thought I was crazy and that STP was a second-rate grunge band. I countered that they were actually a Hard Rock/Metal band playing grunge at the moment. I think I nailed that one.
I know I'm late but I genuinely the only things Pearl Jam had over STP is Pearl Jam was more mainstream (ironic) and Pearl Jam never fell apart because of drug addiction. As far as general hard rock, STP kicks the shit out of Pearl Jam. PJ never had the balls or testosterone to make something as heavy as Piece of Pie, Sex Type Thing, All in the Suit, or Heaven & Hot Rods. As far as experimentation STP also beats out Pearl Jam. Purple, Tiny Music and Shangri La are all cohesive and natural. Some of Pearl Jam's songs on No Code, Riot Act and most recently Gigaton are borderline unlistenable. You won't find garbage like Bushleager or Bugs in STP's discography cause they don't need to try hard. But still, I've always been super jealous of Pearl Jam fans. Their band grew in each subsequent decade and has endless live shows, performances and material. STP has a lot of side projects but its beyond too late to catch up. They could have been as highly regarded as Pearl Jam or Nirvana but today I think more people see them on the level of Bush or Smashing Pumpkins.
@@rawkguy4896 i still dont think Core sounds anything like Pearl Jam. And Scott Weiland was sooo much cooler than Eddie Vedder. I dont know man, in 2008 STP reformed and did a huge tour. I caught them here in New Orleans at Voodoo Fest with my sons mom. We just started dating. STP was sooooo good and the headlined the first night and they had a bigger crowd and played longer than all the other headliners like NIN, Lil Wayne, and Manson. So they are definitely more highly considered and known and remembered than Smashing Pumpkins and shit ton more than Bush. Besides Billy Corgan is focusing on being a pro wrestling promoter. Funny that Billy Corgan is such a huge wrestling ners
well, Pearl Jam is still going strong in 2023. Still selling out stadiums and playing all over the world. I love both bands. I think STP has a fantastic small sample size. Core and Purple and fantastic. Tiny Music is wonderful. And thats it. 3 great albums. Pearl Jam just released Gigaton 2 years ago and its f'n badass. Experimental and retro in some places, heavy hard rock in others. Vedder is the better lyricist. Overall, I think Eddie is the best song writer. Lyrically, he is what every song writer wishes he could be. PJ, like all bands had a lot of turmoil and shit got crazy. Eddie was an insane front man who put his life at risk every night. Just watch their live shows from the mid 90s. He put everything in to his live performances. Also, he had the best voice. Not octave high like Cornell and Plant, but deep and dirty which I love. I love STP a lot and still listen to them. But PJ is the best of the best.
I always see him like here as the college kid and then his later Rockstar lead man look, cross between Bowie and Johnny Rotten. And his healthiness always deteriorating year by year.
Yes I agree!!! It would be awesome if he was back in a healthy happy state!!!!! Wouldn't that be great if all of our lost Angels could come back in a happy healthy peaceful place here, doing what they loved to do!?!?!?
Riffing on Meatplow at 24:25, then Hollywood Bitch at 27:20. Must have taken a while for it come together, considering this was '93. I can only imagine what music we'll now never experience.
Saw this again for the first time in years and couldn’t stand any more, I had to go and listen to the original before continuing this video at 5:55 because it was driving me crazy not to already have listened to the rest of the damn song.
+Necro Orcen I met Scott accidentally after a STP show in '93 and he invited me and a friend to party with him and a bunch of other people after the show. He was already lit at that point, but we were doing tequila shots and god knows what else. Later that night he barfed on me and the floor of the hotel room. We just moved the nightstand over the vomit and left it there.
I get the feeling that old guy was not taking them seriously - "Once again, Stoned Pilots!", LOL....hearing Meatplow prior to it's finalization was pretty cool.
Good legend never die my lovely singer still in my heart and hearts of all your fans know you are angel guardian scott in heaven god takes you in his glory love we Miss you But know you are angel of rock guiding us in the good path of the way singers of rock Good way me i going to make a Good tribute for you in a future love you ❤🎤🎶🎧🎸
+tedGEGI It would drive me crazy! I remember watching a Van Halen rehearsal and they'd start a song for a few bars, and then it would just fall apart and stop. Guess they were trying not to burn out too hard before the show.
90+% of the work happens behind the scenes. In this video you're watching the stage the entire time. You're watching the band waiting for the crew to do their thing and you just assume (most likely incorrectly) that the process is inefficient.
Scott was reeking a bit here and still could freaking knock it out of the park! It was a Pivotal year. TG We were paying attention since Core! Just Top Notch.
"S"cott "T"he "P"ilot. I love the story how he said. "NO, we are not opening for Aerosmith" he knew he was a pilot and the plane went down with him. That's what cd's and dvd's and your memories are for. Do not support a cover band fronting as the real deal. This is the WholeMAN
One of my favorite bands and Scott was one of my favorite vocalists. He was creative, talented and progressive but he held the other 3 guys back with his perfection and selfishness.I guess this was before the heroin stole his Soul; before he was habitually late for his concerts because of a fkn needle stuck in his arm.He rose like a budding flower but declined like a sorry street bum. So sad for us-his fans. I miss him terribly!...and so do countless others!...🤧
How cool is that! The opening track to one of the best sophomore albums of all time, not a little b-side. Glad they slowed it down instead of that faster feel Kretz was trying to lay down.
Not full, there's almost four minutes missing at the start, compared to the version I have and on mines there is no glitch at the top of the screen as seen on this one throughout.
It's funny watching the grizzled old 76 year old Brooklyn teamster's reaction to Scott schooling him on how to pronounce the band's name. Stone Temple PilotSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
I remember watching them on SNL. And singing along to Naked Sunday while my friends looked at me like I was an alien, wondering how I knew their songs. It was all because I bought the 10 cds for 99€ 😂 before they were famous
Why are there so many damn pauses? I would get really fucking sick of that after the first two times. Thanks for the reminder of why I never pursued a full time career in music.
I've heard of video recording things with potatoes, but this was done way before that technology came out. I have to ask, was this recorded with a dinner roll?
contrary to popular belief, potatoes actually preceded dinner rolls...this was before that, though...this might've been a yam...the potato model wasn't released until 95 and the dinner roll was a couple years after that
People criticizing the announcer (including Scott) smh... it’s a rehearsal! This guy will not be the one actually be introducing the band, he’s just cueing them when to start. Nicole Kidman was the host, she’s the only one who has to say it right, and she did. This is just practice!
Hey i know that intro at around 6min mark. Is it by the eagles or Heart? Im trying to place it but listen its definitely there, the guitarist starts playing the intro to a cover.
believe me guys...the "two minute less version" should've been on the album...that song is about a chorus and a bridge too long I've been a huge stone temple pilots fan since the early 90s but creep just drags on forever and ever...it's like the song you can't escape from ahhh ok it's over...time for piece of pie (arguably the best song on the album)...."take tiiiime" what?!
+Adam Ford For the last song he seems that way- But I think it's because he just became jaded from the rehearsals constant start & stopping. After a while he was probably like, 'fuck it....'
I wouldn't doubt it. If you look at him at the very end it seemed that his entire face had taken an odd shape. I realize that we all age differently, but he looked like a completely different person. Almost unrecognizable compared to the clip of him here.
Whiskey tit - Trying to clue Kretz in on the timing, tempo, beat. Not an easy feat to convey to a drummer but I give Kretz all the credit in the world for listening to what the songwriter (Dean) has in mind. I've known drummers that would actually get OFFENDED if you tried to show them what you have in mind. They perceive it as you, a non-drummer, telling them what to do. But those are the ones that end up sitting on their couch at home pulling their puds to Kretz on t.v.
People don’t realize how challenging it is as a singer to perform a different arrangement of a song. The brain learns order. I don’t like this arrangement. They should have picked another song.
I still can't find it! Someone please tell me what the intro to the song is at the 6min mark. Starts with harmonics and then some picking. I know it but I can't place it....even google isn't helping me.
Don't listen to those two semen spunges Aaron Singleton they have no clue what the fuck they are talking about . That is not Dave Grohl at the Stone Temple Pilots rehearsal for thier Saturday Night Live performance you see in this video footage they filmed of it way back in 1993 bud , period .
They could've been 1 of the biggest bands in rock history........ buuuuuuuut wasnt unfortunately n sad to say bc core was their sweet spot and as every band does they do a 180 from what got them center stage! So disappointing.
nothing beats snl music performances of the 90s... the sound / mix, that fucking cool ass set, perfect
luv this man, faults and all. RIP Handsome Scott
I had a deep discussion with a classmate in 93 over STP and Pearl Jam. I suggested STP as the better band and would have a long career. He thought I was crazy and that STP was a second-rate grunge band. I countered that they were actually a Hard Rock/Metal band playing grunge at the moment. I think I nailed that one.
Stp > Pearl Jam
I know I'm late but I genuinely the only things Pearl Jam had over STP is Pearl Jam was more mainstream (ironic) and Pearl Jam never fell apart because of drug addiction.
As far as general hard rock, STP kicks the shit out of Pearl Jam. PJ never had the balls or testosterone to make something as heavy as Piece of Pie, Sex Type Thing, All in the Suit, or Heaven & Hot Rods. As far as experimentation STP also beats out Pearl Jam. Purple, Tiny Music and Shangri La are all cohesive and natural. Some of Pearl Jam's songs on No Code, Riot Act and most recently Gigaton are borderline unlistenable. You won't find garbage like Bushleager or Bugs in STP's discography cause they don't need to try hard.
But still, I've always been super jealous of Pearl Jam fans. Their band grew in each subsequent decade and has endless live shows, performances and material. STP has a lot of side projects but its beyond too late to catch up. They could have been as highly regarded as Pearl Jam or Nirvana but today I think more people see them on the level of Bush or Smashing Pumpkins.
Secundary? Or college bro,nice story
@@rawkguy4896 i still dont think Core sounds anything like Pearl Jam. And Scott Weiland was sooo much cooler than Eddie Vedder. I dont know man, in 2008 STP reformed and did a huge tour. I caught them here in New Orleans at Voodoo Fest with my sons mom. We just started dating. STP was sooooo good and the headlined the first night and they had a bigger crowd and played longer than all the other headliners like NIN, Lil Wayne, and Manson. So they are definitely more highly considered and known and remembered than Smashing Pumpkins and shit ton more than Bush. Besides Billy Corgan is focusing on being a pro wrestling promoter. Funny that Billy Corgan is such a huge wrestling ners
well, Pearl Jam is still going strong in 2023. Still selling out stadiums and playing all over the world. I love both bands. I think STP has a fantastic small sample size. Core and Purple and fantastic. Tiny Music is wonderful. And thats it. 3 great albums. Pearl Jam just released Gigaton 2 years ago and its f'n badass. Experimental and retro in some places, heavy hard rock in others. Vedder is the better lyricist. Overall, I think Eddie is the best song writer. Lyrically, he is what every song writer wishes he could be. PJ, like all bands had a lot of turmoil and shit got crazy. Eddie was an insane front man who put his life at risk every night. Just watch their live shows from the mid 90s. He put everything in to his live performances. Also, he had the best voice. Not octave high like Cornell and Plant, but deep and dirty which I love. I love STP a lot and still listen to them. But PJ is the best of the best.
back when Scott still had nice plump rosy skin still somewhat healthy i wish he was still Alive
yea but he's stoned as fuck, here ... are u blind ?
yeah you seen scott and dean doing acoustic plush in some london park? face so rosy and plump :(
I always see him like here as the college kid and then his later Rockstar lead man look, cross between Bowie and Johnny Rotten. And his healthiness always deteriorating year by year.
Yes I agree!!! It would be awesome if he was back in a healthy happy state!!!!! Wouldn't that be great if all of our lost Angels could come back in a happy healthy peaceful place here, doing what they loved to do!?!?!?
@@TrollBenable I seen that the other day. I sure wish he would have left the drugs alone man. Talented dude!
Scott looked amazing and sounded Amazing! We miss you!
Because he wasn't 100 pounds here
@@chrisorobello8869 he was perfect 😭💔
the guy announcing them is priceless!
:)
15:19 "Ladies and gentlemen...STONE PILOTS" 😂
+Eduardo Soto González The drummers face. 😂 😂 😂
+Zoeybatterup152 The whole thing had me laughing tears XD
+Eduardo Soto González 31:40 Again 'STONE PILOTS'. What a moron.
+Eduardo Soto González Stoned pilots !!!!!!
Nah, just a funny Mc whose seen em all. He was clearly joking. Nirvana is a great snl rehearsal same dude btw,
I sure wish the video quality was better. Priceless! Scott wrote a lot of Awesome songs man. DRUGS SUCK!!!
I love Stone Temple Pilots.
Riffing on Meatplow at 24:25, then Hollywood Bitch at 27:20. Must have taken a while for it come together, considering this was '93. I can only imagine what music we'll now never experience.
I really liked the way Hollywood Bitch sounded here TBH
27:20 wow Hollywood Bitch, I wish to hear a demo of this song with the same beat, sounds really amazing.
+suhijo I think the song fit in well on Shangri-La Dee Da.
Yes. Hollywood Bitch was percolating for a long time :)
1993...man I wish I could go back
9:15 Such a sweetheart. Love this man. 💙 And that would bug me too, Stone Temple Pilots, not Pilot.
Thank you for putting this. At 32:00 is Naked Sunday guys.
My favourite song!
@@rallyivan1234it's My favorite too!
Had never heard that song. Super good song
thanks for putting this up
This is hysterical. Seriously - no way I would be as kind and patient with that old man announcer's mispronunciation, EVERY TIME. Got a good laugh.
“Ladies and Gentlemen, Here he is… the one and only, Stone Temple Pilot”😂😂
OH. MY. LORD. BEAUTIFUL. THANKS FOR POSTING THIS!!!
thanx for posting! always good to see something new, Rip Scott
Best American band ever. Rest in peace beautiful Scott
Scott refused to sing the verse, but did notice the announcer said "Stone Temple Pilot" .
Saw this again for the first time in years and couldn’t stand any more, I had to go and listen to the original before continuing this video at 5:55 because it was driving me crazy not to already have listened to the rest of the damn song.
The harmonics at 5:56. Same sequence used on opening jam on Tiny Music...three years later.
W. G. Don't know if you'll see this but they are messing around with Roundabout from Yes.
what a great band
This is freaking awesome. Thanks for posting.
23:32 the beginning of Meatplow, cool!
this was the best of the grunge bands, stone temple pilotS
10:34 The way he emphasized the “S” after Scott told him how to say the name 😂
Thanks for sharing this video much appreciated
Thank U for sharing this !! I love to see artists backstage, etc.
Interesting look at behind the scenes - thanks for sharing!
This video hates my left ear plug.....
Scott totally caught that dude saying stone temple pilot. Hahaha. He still apologized but he knew he was right
Scott Weiland threw up on me once.
+Necro Orcen I met Scott accidentally after a STP show in '93 and he invited me and a friend to party with him and a bunch of other people after the show. He was already lit at that point, but we were doing tequila shots and god knows what else. Later that night he barfed on me and the floor of the hotel room. We just moved the nightstand over the vomit and left it there.
+Necro Orcen No, I probably wasn't thinking "LEGEND." I thought he was hot enough to have sex with him after he puked on me.
+Tuesday J i met him too in the late 80's bar scene we skipped the puke part!!
+Dj dawn-Roxanne and nope no legend just really hot!!
Tuesday J - He puked on you? Usually it's the chick puking on the dude.
Thanks for the upload. Super cool to see this.
I get the feeling that old guy was not taking them seriously - "Once again, Stoned Pilots!", LOL....hearing Meatplow prior to it's finalization was pretty cool.
for the millenials in the comment section: those funny things the people are holding are called "instruments"
A Barnett good one, but they're no doubt not even here unfortunately lol
i am a "millenial" , I'm here, and I play an instrument. Thanks anyway mr. judgy judgeson. Not like your generation ever got judged by another -_-
lol yes and not some stupid fucking tiny guitar i.e Ed Sheeran
Does the A stand for asshole
@@TryMySoySauce quit crying bitch
thank you for this awesome video, love it so cool!
Good legend never die my lovely singer still in my heart and hearts of all your fans know you are angel guardian scott in heaven god takes you in his glory love we Miss you But know you are angel of rock guiding us in the good path of the way singers of rock Good way me i going to make a Good tribute for you in a future love you ❤🎤🎶🎧🎸
When I hear entertainers and celebrities complain that they put in a 12-to-14 hour workday, now I know why. Inefficiency at its finest.
+tedGEGI It would drive me crazy! I remember watching a Van Halen rehearsal and they'd start a song for a few bars, and then it would just fall apart and stop. Guess they were trying not to burn out too hard before the show.
90+% of the work happens behind the scenes. In this video you're watching the stage the entire time. You're watching the band waiting for the crew to do their thing and you just assume (most likely incorrectly) that the process is inefficient.
They have no right to complain about anything when they're getting like $1,000 a hour
they are all high
Stone Pilots Rock😊
thank you for this!!
Scott was reeking a bit here and still could freaking knock it out of the park!
It was a Pivotal year.
TG We were paying attention since Core!
Just Top Notch.
I like the Hendrix riff and then the eyebrow raise when someone in the set acknowledges it
"S"cott "T"he "P"ilot. I love the story how he said. "NO, we are not opening for Aerosmith" he knew he was a pilot and the plane went down with him. That's what cd's and dvd's and your memories are for. Do not support a cover band fronting as the real deal. This is the WholeMAN
One of my favorite bands and Scott was one of my favorite vocalists. He was creative, talented and progressive but he held the other 3 guys back with his perfection and selfishness.I guess this was before the heroin stole his Soul; before he was habitually late for his concerts because of a fkn needle stuck in his arm.He rose like a budding flower but declined like a sorry street bum. So sad for us-his fans. I miss him terribly!...and so do countless others!...🤧
Now we know when and where the song Meatplow was written -- between songs on SNL rehearsal!!
How cool is that! The opening track to one of the best sophomore albums of all time, not a little b-side. Glad they slowed it down instead of that faster feel Kretz was trying to lay down.
They held together pretty well. Some bands don't do downtime well.
The secret life of a rock and roll star. 😆 As in having to go through all this crap!
"ladies and gentleman, stone temple pilotSSS"
Man I miss the shitty quality of VHS. Having to get that tracking juuuuuust right.
oh my god I thought the old guy was gonna have a heart attack trying to pronounce 'pilots'. .. so awkward
They also performed big empty during this set either before or after creep, wish someone had a copy of that I would love to see.
Not full, there's almost four minutes missing at the start, compared to the version I have and on mines there is no glitch at the top of the screen as seen on this one throughout.
Share your version please
@@nedflanders2943 Hi Ned, so I dug the tape out and will digitise it in the next day or so, then upload to YT in 720/60p
@@ScottishTeeVee awesome, thanks!
love u Weiland
Oh yes I love Stone Temple "Pilot"
It's funny watching the grizzled old 76 year old Brooklyn teamster's reaction to Scott schooling him on how to pronounce the band's name. Stone Temple PilotSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
"Stand By!" No, Scott is not feeling inspired....or something.
This is an epic sneak peak behind the scenes…
I like the Elvis impersonation “living’ under house”
I remember watching them on SNL. And singing along to Naked Sunday while my friends looked at me like I was an alien, wondering how I knew their songs. It was all because I bought the 10 cds for 99€ 😂 before they were famous
9:45 Over The Hills And Far Away - Led Zeppelin
Once again.... Stone Pilots!
This is so cool 8:20 they start jamming out to Jeff Beck
One can obviously see WHO directed STP, and it wasn't the cash clowns, the Delano brothers'
guitar on the right is riffing on Led Boots from Jeff Beck Wired. Nice.
+Parry Wolfe Dan DeLeo's doing a touch of Yes, Roundabout as well.
Bass too
haha Stoned Pilots. Sounds about right too.
and Scott's got the itchies. ......
30:42 35:30 great tune!
Why are there so many damn pauses? I would get really fucking sick of that after the first two times.
Thanks for the reminder of why I never pursued a full time career in music.
hoohooooooo
if you think this is bad, you should see an actual rehearsal
Sound check
Luv that crew director is tellin what I can only assume is a kennedy story to another crew guy during a break
The riff at 27:21 wound up in their song "Hollywood Bitch" 8 years later.
All good scott....the old man did say PILOT
20:08 Seven Caged Tigers
+k sup it is naked sunday
"Stone Pilots!" WTF is that?
Miss Weiland
I've heard of video recording things with potatoes, but this was done way before that technology came out. I have to ask, was this recorded with a dinner roll?
contrary to popular belief, potatoes actually preceded dinner rolls...this was before that, though...this might've been a yam...the potato model wasn't released until 95 and the dinner roll was a couple years after that
manifestgtr
Ya know what? There's always the potato roll, too. Now that's intriguing! Technology wonders are always evolving.
People criticizing the announcer (including Scott) smh... it’s a rehearsal! This guy will not be the one actually be introducing the band, he’s just cueing them when to start. Nicole Kidman was the host, she’s the only one who has to say it right, and she did. This is just practice!
28:20 wtf?? (the announcer guys' conversation)!!!!!!!
Please fill in the conspiracy blanks. lol I need to figure this out!!
Joseph P. Kennedy Jr.
I bet the "Pilots" in STP triggered the WWII conversation.
@@hescht77 😂 LMFAO 😂 ***Old man was inspiration for "Grumpier Old Men" ...Someone get the poor guy a cue card!!!
@@tonalmanifestation4430 🤣🤣🤣🤣
9:50 over the beverly hills blues.
Hey i know that intro at around 6min mark. Is it by the eagles or Heart? Im trying to place it but listen its definitely there, the guitarist starts playing the intro to a cover.
Heart
It's by Yes
Roundabout
is he wasted?
Take 1 shouldn't of happened because Scott wasn't done with his cig and needed a drink.
What kind of phone did you useto record this??......a potato!!! loljk
40 mins sund chek?
holy nightmare.....
27:21 fkin rockin it!
...Stoned Pilots
ROFLMAO
believe me guys...the "two minute less version" should've been on the album...that song is about a chorus and a bridge too long
I've been a huge stone temple pilots fan since the early 90s but creep just drags on forever and ever...it's like the song you can't escape from
ahhh ok it's over...time for piece of pie (arguably the best song on the album)...."take tiiiime" what?!
+manifestgtr i agree. i reallly think the production of many of there songs sucks. We over produced not raw enough.
Creep studio version and the live version were in my top 3 stuff this year, I wish it was longer 😅 I could listen to it all day
Wow how u find this Stontemplpilot?????
Amazing what prolonged drug use can do to your appearance over 20 years!
+Adam Ford For the last song he seems that way- But I think it's because he just became jaded from the rehearsals constant start & stopping. After a while he was probably like, 'fuck it....'
I wouldn't doubt it. If you look at him at the very end it seemed that his entire face had taken an odd shape. I realize that we all age differently, but he looked like a completely different person. Almost unrecognizable compared to the clip of him here.
Amazing what TIME can do to your appearance over 20 years!
+spectryl You believe the drugs had no impact on his health and did not kill Scott? LOL
sweiland75 20+ years doing drugs, maybe...
You can tell he's in withdrawl in a bad mood
Meat Plow 23:00 the start of it
Whiskey tit - Trying to clue Kretz in on the timing, tempo, beat. Not an easy feat to convey to a drummer but I give Kretz all the credit in the world for listening to what the songwriter (Dean) has in mind. I've known drummers that would actually get OFFENDED if you tried to show them what you have in mind. They perceive it as you, a non-drummer, telling them what to do. But those are the ones that end up sitting on their couch at home pulling their puds to Kretz on t.v.
27:20 Hollywood Bitch
People don’t realize how challenging it is as a singer to perform a different arrangement of a song. The brain learns order. I don’t like this arrangement. They should have picked another song.
I still can't find it! Someone please tell me what the intro to the song is at the 6min mark. Starts with harmonics and then some picking. I know it but I can't place it....even google isn't helping me.
Professor Kaos sounds like Press Play from tiny music
Roundabout by yes
Who's the other guitar player sitting next to Dean? And the tambo guy?
dave grohl (unfortunately he's everywhere)
pattonPwr lol!
yeah dave, stick to the drums and not so much the foo, boring band, I'm sorry bud.
Don't listen to those two semen spunges Aaron Singleton they have no clue what the fuck they are talking about . That is not Dave Grohl at the Stone Temple Pilots rehearsal for thier Saturday Night Live performance you see in this video footage they filmed of it way back in 1993 bud , period .
monologue???
Really good heroin....and the producer knew it.....Scott should have nailed this.....
got to be erics brother on percussion
22:06 sin?
Play some RATT
They could've been 1 of the biggest bands in rock history........ buuuuuuuut wasnt unfortunately n sad to say bc core was their sweet spot and as every band does they do a 180 from what got them center stage! So disappointing.