It's a shame since I really do like your training content, but this is blown out of the proportion. Yes a lot of people adopt mals without proper understanding and yes they require tremendous amount of discipline, not to mention physical + intelectual stimulation. The point that giving your mals all the time in the world or that training and exercise is not enough? That's just wrong. I can only assume that you're speaking from the perspective of french ring which is more than ok since it creates very specific context. I own a mountain rescue dog and without being "worked" and only trained he can save peoples lives. So yeah mals are not your typical couch potato, they have tremendous drive, not to mention combination of atleticism and intelect that require a lot of effort. At the same time "working dog" is still a "dog". If you have an active lifestyle and understand the need of proper socialisation, discipline and training you're more than capable of owning malinois. This weird gatekeeping makes it just harder for those dogs in shelters that you mentioned in the video to gets adopted as people use very extreme contexts showcased in videos like this as reference points for the whole breed.
My Malinois was 14 months old, unsocialized and completely untrained when I took her home March 16, 2023 from the Tacoma Humane Society. Maxine had been adopted twice and returned back to the shelter twice on day two and day three. She now had a bite record, a dog fight (due to being mishandled by those two different idiots who first took her home, I mean f*ck sake people) and she was highly reactive. We are coming up on our one-year anniversary, it's taken one hell of a lot of work to get her to where she is now. We are working hard to try for her French Ring Brevet. Before I had gotten her, I had been planning to get a Malinois for thirty years, except life had taken me on a long detour. While the rare pet quality Malinois is out there, the rest of them are a lifestyle change a person must be willing to make without exception.
This is all true. However the reward you get from that rescue pup is unmatched. It took us about a year to get our girl to where she is. She was a 5 yo breeder momma. Poor thing was scared of everything and extremely reactive. She’s now the absolute best dog I’ve ever had.
@@MA-xd9zl She's lying next to me right now, doesn't care about fireworks or the vacuum cleaner but she needs a long introduction to new people. We're still working on her issues, but she's gotten past so many problems during this past year and a half.
PS. I'm glad she was returned because after she settled in, she presented with a long list of behaviors that if not handled properly she would have gotten the pink juice. Her reactivity towards everything was off the charts as was her human aggression, all due to a lack of environmental socialization at the proper milestones. But a friend saw her and asked me if she was the same dog from last year and I knew we had come so far and always celebrate the wins no matter how small they are.
I have a pet Malinois. He's a very good pet too. So is my Doberman and also my pitbull. Not a single one works or has worked in their lives and they are very happy dogs. It seems execise and training does in fact give them what they need. What happens to the dogs in the shelters when you tell people they can't have them? Why not educated people on working lines instead of working breeds. I know black labs that are service animals you take with you everywhere and I know some that only want to track and get dirty. The Mal highlighted here is probably from a long line of succeful working dogs. Mine came from a farm. Same breed characteristics very different dogs.
Yes! Also no matter how good your breeding is( the choose of parents) there will always be wash outs. It’s like not all people who’s good at basketball will play in NBA. Some individual dogs are not fit for that sport. They should also enjoy life in a family capable of meeting their needs as pets.
@@semadragun a planted where I know the difference between show breeders and working breeders , regardless of the breed , u can always find trash lol and when I say trash I mean dogs of that breed that are pet like , which is what the gentleman has.
My mally is great with people, loves other dogs and is still highly trained (for a family pet dog). She Doesnt have to do bite training or work as a guard dog because shes a family pet and has been raised to be friendly. Most of these malli videos try to over emphasise the breed they are talking about and act like the normal person shouldnt have 1 unless they want it only as a working dog, when a dog ultimately is a dog and any breed can be trained to do roughly the same thing. Malli's can be socialised well to be a very nice family dog. It depends what you want out of them but to say any breed of dog is generally not good as a family pet is wrong.
Thank you for sharing this!! Because I am about to get one for my family and I and I have been worried seeing how all these videos frighten you in saying that and much more! 🤯 Praying my pup (which is one month old and a malinois/German shepherd mix), will turn out to be a great family dog and protector for my kids and I while we go on walks, get exercise and train as much as possible 🙏🤍. I hope that will be enough for him and he turns out to be a good happy and safe dog 😣🤍🙏
I could not agree more. My wife and I used to be committed cyclists before we got our Mali. Aaaaaaand we ride maybe twice a month now. We tried obedience and agility work with him which was a total disaster. He was just too impatient and would act up while the trainer was lecturing us. The trainer then suggested we try employing his nose. We've been doing trailing with him for just over a year now and he recently did his first live case. We do trailing training twice a week with him and run every morning to bleed off a little energy. There's about 10 dogs in our training group. Only Mali's and working line GSD's. There's always a healthy amount of Mali vs GSD banter. All of the dogs clearly love the work and it's honestly the highlight of my week. Seeing the dogs work is like watching a miracle unfold. Mali's are incredible things. They aren't dogs. They are something that is beyond a dog. But they will take over your whole life. Or you'll abandon them. I don't think there's a middle ground.
I have a 6 month mal/GSD. This is my life...training the dog. He is dramatic and incredibly smart. I watch dog training videos ( Andy Patreon) and have multiple training sessions a day. The dog is always supervised. Not for the average person.
This seems contradictory to the videos you've put out about doing 5-10 minute training/play sessions with your dog. A low or medium drive Mal is going to be different that a high drive too. It's the same with all serious working breeds.
I bought a cheap 2 year old mal stupidly wanting to add another dog to my home and not wanting a pup with the shelter crisis. My akita is 12 now and has been the absolute best boy but he wont be around much longer. Had the mal for a year now and absolutely do agree with all these videos warning against them... I say exhausted with a trashed house, scars, snot and tears running down my face. Wouldn't touch the breed again with a barge pole though ill keep doing my best for this one.
I am so sorry to hear of the difficulties you are having. In addition to his Patreon, Andy has a lot of Excellent training videos on RUclips as well as Q&A’s. Now that his patreon has grown I don’t think he has time for the live Q & ‘s anymore.
@@mderksen4432 I keep my eyes on the training videos and I still have the chaos tornado... He does some cool tricks that make me smile despite being a little shit still 🥲
I got a 3 yo female a couple months ago and she's exceptional. As long as she's got her emotional support rubber ball to carry 😂, she's content to cuddle and get belly rubs. Her favorite place is beside me but she's fine alone. She did have schutzhund training prior to living with me. Now, she's learning to alert for a medical condition. She's an 😇
The greatest respect we can give to any creature is to seek to understand them for what they are; not for what we think they should be. Andy, THIS is why your training is SO OUTSTANDING!! And it is amazing to see how you teach all of us on your Patreon to realize OUR individual goals. Speaking of which, what's that link to your Patreon again?!?🧐
I love when people in the comments try to correct legends on the knowledge I doubt ur pet malinois is on the level of these dogs Looks like a malinois that's it
I think a malinois may be perfect for me, but I'm wondering if service dog work, schutzhund, agility, obedience, and fast CAT would suffice for keeping the dog satisfied? I work in a vet clinic and he would be able to come to work with me on the days I'm away from home. I'm also getting in my hours to be a CPDT so I understand a lot about canine behavior. Would a lifestyle like this + walking, hiking, etc be good for a mal? Or would you advise I look into a different breed? Thank you so much!
Same goes for Dutchies. Cut from much the same cloth. When I got my Dutchie I intended to get into protection and PSA along with some nose work. I still didn't realize their intensity and drive. These dogs are a lifestyle. A rewarding one but a lifestyle all the same. I partly blame that movie with the Mallie and that Channing Tater goofball, Dog I think it was called, lol.
Yep Dog, Max and constantly being in the news. Taking down Bin Laden, that murderer that escaped jail and eluded law enforcement for several weeks, etc., etc.
All dogs are family members; there is no conceptual labels of 'pet' or 'protection' and so on. I recall decades ago a young rooster hunter trying to teach me that his hounds were 'not pets.' I set him straight right away. And surprisingly, he actually learned. We linked up again a few years later; he was working for fish and game running rogue critters; hounds were lion experienced. I was teaching a paper at gov. function, unrelated to K9s. He approached me, nodded, handed me a photo of his toddler running around the yard with happy hounds running. :)
100% I have a well bred working line gsd and my dog is my partner (which I consider to be a higher placement than a pet for those reading this who might not know what I mean) and she absolutely is always learning and evolving. It’s my job to come up with new ways to challenge her on a DAILY basis. And I say this as someone who grew up with working shepherds (we didn’t use them for sport we used them for herding our beef cattle and meat goats) the working lines for bite sport/protection are DIFFERENT. Good, what I was looking for, and my girl is always above and beyond an excellent fit but her brain is different than the herding dogs we had. She is waiting for a command. If I don’t give her a command, she will make her own fun. The herding dogs would largely work with just one send out command and then a couple of guiding commands along the way if needed. It’s a difference between being proactive vs reactive.
The funny thing is I have had a show line cross working line GSD , dedicated show line and a pure working line GSD. The latter required far less mental and physical stimulation. I think sometimes we focus too much on the words ‘working line’, instead of looking at pups individually at times. Some working line bred dogs Ive had in the past were couch potatoes and just wanted to hang with family and I had others loved their family but would climb the walls if not given a job to do. It varied so much with littermates. ATM I have a working line ASTCD, a Groenendael and a Tervuren. The Groen is far more wired than the other two, but in paper it should be the opposite
yeah, get a german shepherd. gsd can do anything a mali can do plus they can live as family members which means that your pet gsd will be by your side when you get an intruder or someone tries to attack you. your mali is with you when you train, whereas gsd is part of yur family and life which means that it'll be protecting what needs to be protecting when need arises whereas the mali will be locked in a kennel when situation arises when protection dog services are required.
If you have some property, a GSD will be a great asset and family companion. It will hang around and watch and listen to everything everywhere all the time day or night. In the house or outside. Perfect for keeping any undesirables away. I found out after my first two GSD's that - two - (male and female) were better than one. Breed standard - The Working Line Dog has the edge but I had good success with American line too. For this type of dog you have to be their leader so they will pay attention to you. Any pet/or working dog will require proper care , training , exercise and will be part of your daily life. The German Shepherd Dog is tough to beat.
Honestly it comes down to the Dogs genetics. If you have a dog with super nerves regardless of breed. They would be just as comfortable living in a small apt in NYC as they would 300 acres in cabin in New Hampshire. Genetics load the gun. Environment ( training socialising etc) pulls the trigger. I've seen plenty of Mals and Dutch shepherd's here in NYC that do fine inside the home with their families.. The other thing also is and its never mentioned. Is people mistake energy for "drive". your dog is bouncing off walls and pacing in their crate that isn't drive. Thats anxiety that's nerves!
It's a shame since I really do like your training content, but this is blown out of the proportion. Yes a lot of people adopt mals without proper understanding and yes they require tremendous amount of discipline, not to mention physical + intelectual stimulation. The point that giving your mals all the time in the world or that training and exercise is not enough? That's just wrong. I can only assume that you're speaking from the perspective of french ring which is more than ok since it creates very specific context. I own a mountain rescue dog and without being "worked" and only trained he can save peoples lives. So yeah mals are not your typical couch potato, they have tremendous drive, not to mention combination of atleticism and intelect that require a lot of effort. At the same time "working dog" is still a "dog". If you have an active lifestyle and understand the need of proper socialisation, discipline and training you're more than capable of owning malinois. This weird gatekeeping makes it just harder for those dogs in shelters that you mentioned in the video to gets adopted as people use very extreme contexts showcased in videos like this as reference points for the whole breed.
My Malinois was 14 months old, unsocialized and completely untrained when I took her home March 16, 2023 from the Tacoma Humane Society. Maxine had been adopted twice and returned back to the shelter twice on day two and day three. She now had a bite record, a dog fight (due to being mishandled by those two different idiots who first took her home, I mean f*ck sake people) and she was highly reactive. We are coming up on our one-year anniversary, it's taken one hell of a lot of work to get her to where she is now. We are working hard to try for her French Ring Brevet. Before I had gotten her, I had been planning to get a Malinois for thirty years, except life had taken me on a long detour.
While the rare pet quality Malinois is out there, the rest of them are a lifestyle change a person must be willing to make without exception.
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This is all true. However the reward you get from that rescue pup is unmatched. It took us about a year to get our girl to where she is. She was a 5 yo breeder momma. Poor thing was scared of everything and extremely reactive. She’s now the absolute best dog I’ve ever had.
So good to see people like this, able to rescue and help them out. I don’t get anyone adopting a dog and giving up on day 2/3…
@@MA-xd9zl She's lying next to me right now, doesn't care about fireworks or the vacuum cleaner but she needs a long introduction to new people. We're still working on her issues, but she's gotten past so many problems during this past year and a half.
PS. I'm glad she was returned because after she settled in, she presented with a long list of behaviors that if not handled properly she would have gotten the pink juice. Her reactivity towards everything was off the charts as was her human aggression, all due to a lack of environmental socialization at the proper milestones. But a friend saw her and asked me if she was the same dog from last year and I knew we had come so far and always celebrate the wins no matter how small they are.
I have a pet Malinois. He's a very good pet too. So is my Doberman and also my pitbull. Not a single one works or has worked in their lives and they are very happy dogs. It seems execise and training does in fact give them what they need. What happens to the dogs in the shelters when you tell people they can't have them? Why not educated people on working lines instead of working breeds. I know black labs that are service animals you take with you everywhere and I know some that only want to track and get dirty. The Mal highlighted here is probably from a long line of succeful working dogs. Mine came from a farm. Same breed characteristics very different dogs.
u have poorly bred dogs that’s all, bred for looks not purpose , no worries this video isn’t for u , but for working class dogs , enjoy your pets bro
@@cen_tah_ree7092 A Malinois, Doberman and Pitbull are bred for looks huh?
What planet are you from?
It's all good I do enjoy my pets. And apparently he agrees with me about working lines vs just a dog. It's just more right when he said it.
Yes! Also no matter how good your breeding is( the choose of parents) there will always be wash outs. It’s like not all people who’s good at basketball will play in NBA. Some individual dogs are not fit for that sport. They should also enjoy life in a family capable of meeting their needs as pets.
@@semadragun a planted where I know the difference between show breeders and working breeders , regardless of the breed , u can always find trash lol and when I say trash I mean dogs of that breed that are pet like , which is what the gentleman has.
My mally is great with people, loves other dogs and is still highly trained (for a family pet dog). She Doesnt have to do bite training or work as a guard dog because shes a family pet and has been raised to be friendly.
Most of these malli videos try to over emphasise the breed they are talking about and act like the normal person shouldnt have 1 unless they want it only as a working dog, when a dog ultimately is a dog and any breed can be trained to do roughly the same thing. Malli's can be socialised well to be a very nice family dog. It depends what you want out of them but to say any breed of dog is generally not good as a family pet is wrong.
Thank you for sharing this!! Because I am about to get one for my family and I and I have been worried seeing how all these videos frighten you in saying that and much more! 🤯 Praying my pup (which is one month old and a malinois/German shepherd mix), will turn out to be a great family dog and protector for my kids and I while we go on walks, get exercise and train as much as possible 🙏🤍. I hope that will be enough for him and he turns out to be a good happy and safe dog 😣🤍🙏
"early project optimism"...
I think I'm going to have to use that, Andy!
So true! I see it all the time
My Mal is a great pet. Loving, fun, protective.
I could not agree more.
My wife and I used to be committed cyclists before we got our Mali. Aaaaaaand we ride maybe twice a month now.
We tried obedience and agility work with him which was a total disaster. He was just too impatient and would act up while the trainer was lecturing us. The trainer then suggested we try employing his nose. We've been doing trailing with him for just over a year now and he recently did his first live case. We do trailing training twice a week with him and run every morning to bleed off a little energy. There's about 10 dogs in our training group. Only Mali's and working line GSD's. There's always a healthy amount of Mali vs GSD banter. All of the dogs clearly love the work and it's honestly the highlight of my week. Seeing the dogs work is like watching a miracle unfold.
Mali's are incredible things. They aren't dogs. They are something that is beyond a dog. But they will take over your whole life. Or you'll abandon them. I don't think there's a middle ground.
Well said
I have a 6 month mal/GSD. This is my life...training the dog. He is dramatic and incredibly smart. I watch
dog training videos ( Andy Patreon) and have multiple training sessions a day. The dog is always supervised. Not for the average person.
😢كيفيه تدريب الكلب علي حراسه المنزل❤
This seems contradictory to the videos you've put out about doing 5-10 minute training/play sessions with your dog. A low or medium drive Mal is going to be different that a high drive too. It's the same with all serious working breeds.
I bought a cheap 2 year old mal stupidly wanting to add another dog to my home and not wanting a pup with the shelter crisis. My akita is 12 now and has been the absolute best boy but he wont be around much longer. Had the mal for a year now and absolutely do agree with all these videos warning against them... I say exhausted with a trashed house, scars, snot and tears running down my face. Wouldn't touch the breed again with a barge pole though ill keep doing my best for this one.
I am so sorry to hear of the difficulties you are having. In addition to his Patreon, Andy has a lot of Excellent training videos on RUclips as well as Q&A’s. Now that his patreon has grown I don’t think he has time for the live Q & ‘s anymore.
@@mderksen4432 I keep my eyes on the training videos and I still have the chaos tornado... He does some cool tricks that make me smile despite being a little shit still 🥲
A bit hyperbolic
You think?
My Mal boy works hard and loves every minute of it ❤ Got to do what you must to have a happy and fulfilled pup!
I got a 3 yo female a couple months ago and she's exceptional. As long as she's got her emotional support rubber ball to carry 😂, she's content to cuddle and get belly rubs. Her favorite place is beside me but she's fine alone. She did have schutzhund training prior to living with me. Now, she's learning to alert for a medical condition. She's an 😇
The greatest respect we can give to any creature is to seek to understand them for what they are; not for what we think they should be.
Andy, THIS is why your training is SO OUTSTANDING!! And it is amazing to see how you teach all of us on your Patreon to realize OUR individual goals. Speaking of which, what's that link to your Patreon again?!?🧐
But they're fluffy bro, why would God make them fluffy if not to be pets?
I love when people in the comments try to correct legends on the knowledge
I doubt ur pet malinois is on the level of these dogs
Looks like a malinois that's it
Ok, it seems to me, that I have the right dog, but the wrong wife. 😬
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I think a malinois may be perfect for me, but I'm wondering if service dog work, schutzhund, agility, obedience, and fast CAT would suffice for keeping the dog satisfied? I work in a vet clinic and he would be able to come to work with me on the days I'm away from home. I'm also getting in my hours to be a CPDT so I understand a lot about canine behavior. Would a lifestyle like this + walking, hiking, etc be good for a mal? Or would you advise I look into a different breed? Thank you so much!
Hey i neem help my Malinois is not eating properly whot to doo
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not the first dog thats been said about and wont be the last and yet many people have them as pets
yup same for many many other breeds.
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If you are even thinking about getting a MALINOIS please ⚠️ watch this over a few times over and over ⚠️ Thank you Andy 💪👍💯
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Not your average family Fluffy!
good video good
First from Mauritius again. Keep it up Andy
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Same goes for Dutchies. Cut from much the same cloth. When I got my Dutchie I intended to get into protection and PSA along with some nose work. I still didn't realize their intensity and drive. These dogs are a lifestyle. A rewarding one but a lifestyle all the same. I partly blame that movie with the Mallie and that Channing Tater goofball, Dog I think it was called, lol.
Yep Dog, Max and constantly being in the news. Taking down Bin Laden, that murderer that escaped jail and eluded law enforcement for several weeks, etc., etc.
Yep
Can you hook me up with the name of harnesses you guys use ?
What company do you get your bite suits and tugs from? I heard in one video a while ago, but I can't find it again!
He uses different companies. One bite suit says Debonet, some stuff from Leerburg & Elite canine.
Как же мне нравятся малинка, люблю серьезных собак❤
EXCELLENT…!
All dogs are family members; there is no conceptual labels of 'pet' or 'protection' and so on. I recall decades ago a young rooster hunter trying to teach me that his hounds were 'not pets.' I set him straight right away. And surprisingly, he actually learned. We linked up again a few years later; he was working for fish and game running rogue critters; hounds were lion experienced. I was teaching a paper at gov. function, unrelated to K9s. He approached me, nodded, handed me a photo of his toddler running around the yard with happy hounds running. :)
This is the result of American breeding.
So work is a contest? How is that a meaningfull purpose? Maybe YOU should bot be alowed to havevthose dogs.
Solid point
I won’t read a show sorry.
100% I have a well bred working line gsd and my dog is my partner (which I consider to be a higher placement than a pet for those reading this who might not know what I mean) and she absolutely is always learning and evolving. It’s my job to come up with new ways to challenge her on a DAILY basis. And I say this as someone who grew up with working shepherds (we didn’t use them for sport we used them for herding our beef cattle and meat goats) the working lines for bite sport/protection are DIFFERENT. Good, what I was looking for, and my girl is always above and beyond an excellent fit but her brain is different than the herding dogs we had. She is waiting for a command. If I don’t give her a command, she will make her own fun. The herding dogs would largely work with just one send out command and then a couple of guiding commands along the way if needed. It’s a difference between being proactive vs reactive.
The funny thing is I have had a show line cross working line GSD , dedicated show line and a pure working line GSD. The latter required far less mental and physical stimulation.
I think sometimes we focus too much on the words ‘working line’, instead of looking at pups individually at times.
Some working line bred dogs Ive had in the past were couch potatoes and just wanted to hang with family and I had others loved their family but would climb the walls if not given a job to do. It varied so much with littermates.
ATM I have a working line ASTCD, a Groenendael and a Tervuren. The Groen is far more wired than the other two, but in paper it should be the opposite
yeah, get a german shepherd. gsd can do anything a mali can do plus they can live as family members which means that your pet gsd will be by your side when you get an intruder or someone tries to attack you. your mali is with you when you train, whereas gsd is part of yur family and life which means that it'll be protecting what needs to be protecting when need arises whereas the mali will be locked in a kennel when situation arises when protection dog services are required.
If you have some property, a GSD will be a great asset and family companion. It will hang around and watch and listen to everything everywhere all the time day or night. In the house or outside. Perfect for keeping any undesirables away. I found out after my first two GSD's that - two - (male and female) were better than one. Breed standard - The Working Line Dog has the edge but I had good success with American line too. For this type of dog you have to be their leader so they will pay attention to you. Any pet/or working dog will require proper care , training , exercise and will be part of your daily life. The German Shepherd Dog is tough to beat.
I respectfully disagree 🙏🏼
Honestly it comes down to the Dogs genetics. If you have a dog with super nerves regardless of breed. They would be just as comfortable living in a small apt in NYC as they would 300 acres in cabin in New Hampshire.
Genetics load the gun. Environment ( training socialising etc) pulls the trigger. I've seen plenty of Mals and Dutch shepherd's here in NYC that do fine inside the home with their families.. The other thing also is and its never mentioned. Is people mistake energy for "drive". your dog is bouncing off walls and pacing in their crate that isn't drive. Thats anxiety that's nerves!