Not sure how the Sony beats the Nikon for video... did Sony start offering 10 bit 422 output like the Nikon does? That seems like a pretty significant difference to me.
@@jamiesondean So at 14:56 into the video, the comment is made that the Sony is head and shoulders above the Nikon Z6. It's doesn't say for stills. It seems like a blanket statement. As the Z6 is considered more video centric, I feel such a broad statement maybe misleading. Clearly at this point, for video at least, the Sony is at a decided disadvantage compared to the newer Nikon Z6.
@@angryrabbitproductions1690 Lol. Go back a few seconds. He says "Now knowing what this does" (hand grabbing Z6). So obviously he was comparing the overall functions of both cameras, Video + photo. Not sure how it was misleading considering it was his opinion based on how he does his work.
The Nikon has actually already proven to be the better video camera of the 3. Also, Sony’s Eye AF wasn’t very good if the subject wasn’t looking at you. It almost never locked on the subject even though it would occasionally tell you it focused on the eye. Honestly, I hated the Sony A7 III and sent that thing back within 2 weeks because it was not the dream machine many of these guys claimed it was.
Did you even test the battery? Every review has achieved well over 1000 including mixing in some video. This review isn't much better than just a spec sheet read
Jamieson Dean I kinda agree with Red Bat Racing. If you’re posting a review and then comparing it to other cameras you have to base it on real world experience and not simply what you read in the specs. You can’t say battery life is not as good without testing it. The tests I have seen with the Z7 make it seem almost identical to similarly specced mirrorless cameras.
@@mondotv4216 the problem is this; we never called it a review. We called it a hands-on first impressions video. We also had only two days with the camera and that wasn't enough time to make a confident assessment, so we mentioned the specs and said that you will likely get more than that. Now that we have had time to get a real world idea of battery life, I can confidently say that the Z6 is still behind the other two. We've been seeing about 900 shots per charge. Close to the Canon, but not anywhere near the Sony where we usually get over 1500 shots per charge
This review is using the Nikon Z6 as a point and shoot camera. The Z6 has a lot of Autofocus settings that can configure the camera based upon the situation for optimum result. People using these cameras do not just sit back and let the camera do everything for them. So apparently these reviewers do not understand much about this camera and are making a superficial comparison. Having said that, the demonstration was entertaining.
Did you talk about image quality and color rendition in your video and I missed it? To me the most important aspect of a camera is it's output qualities. Up until recently I was using a Nikon D750 with a 24-120 f4 and a 50mm f1.4. Five weeks ago I sold it and bought a Sony A7iii with 55mm f1.8 Sony Zeiss and I bought the LA EA4 adaptor and also use several very good Sony Minolta lenses I have been using with two film cameras. I have had a couple of Nikon DSLR cameras and from what I have so far taken on the Sony the color rendition is significantly different than Nikon. Some aspects of this are OK and some not. I have taken lots of shots of my garden roses as I have shot them with many different cameras and films and have samples of the results. The Sony does a good job with flower bright colors. Much of the time the Jpegs are fine and you don't have to go with raw. The Sony for me works better in mid day full sun shots, but to do this it turns the image bluer. And for some reason the shots in the Sony do not seem to change much using or not using a polarizing filter. My point for bringing this up is that the color rendition I am getting varies a lot from the two Nikon DSLRs I have been using. Anyone buying the Sony should be aware of this and should audition the color. The Sony Menu system is abysmal compared to Nikon. The Nikon touch screen system and using their menu is great. Sony does have lots of buttons you can program but then you have to remember what you programed where. I have only tested the Nikon Z7 in a Nikon promotion at a local camera shop, but I would say the Nikon EVF is way superior to the Sony. I shoot 98% stills on this camera. If I had it to do over again I would keep my D750. The only significant advantage of the Sony A7iii over the D750 in my humble opinion is that you can see the histogram in the EVF before shooting the photo. This saves chimping and bracketing. I don't bother to bracket any more. I like the Nikon F mount line up of lenses far better than the Sony emount line up. You can buy a brand new D750 with 24-120 from Nikon USA today for $1,900. The Sony A7iii with 24-105 would cost you $3,300. The 750 is a better value for stills. Not video though. Sony far far easier to use for video. The image quality between the two is about the same. To me the newer Sony is not any better.
My own personal experience is that my Apple iPhones have the most accurate color using either the native camera app or the Adobe CC camera app. And next would be either my Nikon D5500 or D750. After that was my little Sony HX 80 and then the Sony A7iii. I have also used many different film stocks. Fuji Superia 200 or 400 have very accurate color. So does the beautiful new Kodak Ektacrhome. But accurate color does not mean it is the color you want. My experience is that Lightroom CC Classic plays nicer with Nikon files than Sony A7iii files. When I say "Nikon" files I mean from the cameras I have used 5500 and 750). But I also have an issue getting mid day full sun Nikon files to look good. The Sony A7iii does a better job with that except when you are around a lot of water the Sony system adds a ton of blue. And where the Nikon cameras files are greatly affected by adding a polarizing filter you almost cannot tell the difference in the raw or jpeg files from the Sony. But there is the issue when you are around water. I find being able to see the histogram before taking the shot a huge benefit. I am sure that is why mid day full sun shots are easier on the A7iii compared to the Nikon DSLRs. I look at the zebras and histo before pushing the button. Part of the Sony going to blue in sea shots has to do with the Sony Zeiss 55mm f1.8. Must be the coatings. When I use adapted glass like the Sigma or Minolta daytime shots are not as blue near the sea or as controlled in general. But of course all this complication adds to make you continue to lear to use your gear. @@raminolta
Paul, I am done with new gear for a while. At the last minute I bought the Sony A7iii over a Z7 because I have had very good luck with Sony compact cameras over the last 15 years and I have 5 very good Sony-Minolta lenses. I went to the A7 and not R because I figured if I did not like it the cost to change would not be so high. My biggest issue with the Sony A7iii is that controls hard to use when shooting. Plus for some reason when you get the Sony near large bodies of water like the Ocean or San Diego harbor it just seems to swing the color balance to blue. My Nikons and compact Sony do not do this. It is very hard to get the color balance right in Lightroom when this happens and you have to do it on each file. A PIA. @@paulmorrall5719
Lightroom is the problem not Sony, just try Capture One Express, you see the colors improve a lot. And even when i compare the colors from my old D7100 between Capture One and Lightroom, the picture look way better in Capture One. Lightroom just not renders as good and that not just in color.
I don't shoot 4k so the Canon works just great for video for me. I also prefer shooting with it rather than the a7riii. I find it takes more work to get good video out of the Sony.
I will keep my d750, but my new Sony A7iii just blows any of the competition out of the water. Eye focus and Lock-On AF Expand Flexible Spot. This is so great. Those two settings alone lets Canon and Nikons focusing technology look like stone age. Just a honest opinion.
I have had a Sony A7iii for five weeks. Have not used eye auto focus once. But I will this weekend. I had a D750 before the A7iii. To me the controls of the D750 are much better than the A7iii. 750 front and back control dials very easy to use while shooting. For my hands the A7iii control dials very hard to use when shooting. I find mid day full shun shots much easy on the Sony because of EVF. So far I think I have not used eye AF just because I have not needed to. The Sony standard focus us very good and I have not thought to push the eye focus button.
@@RobertNuttmann i feel the body of Z6 better that others, it looks as DSLR but Sony lens and autofocus wins the war. The autofocus of A7III is more accurate and decisive. Sony offers also better wide lens as 16-35mm and other portrait lens as the 135mm 1.8, and the others Zeiss lens also. I look the test in laboratory and the quality of Sony prime is very high. I think that Sony is the next step, Z series is good but it is too early now.
It's a proven fact now that the A7-III and Nikon Z6 use the exact same Sony IMX410 image sensor so the raw output should be identical. (Thank you TechInsights X-ray machine and electron microscopes!) Jpg processing could be different. As for the Sony XQD card socket? This might have been a condition placed by Sony on the Nikon/Sony sensor contract of sale. Lumix S1?....will it also have the same IMX410? Who knows? We do know it also has an Sony XQD card socket. Hmmmmm......
I'm not sure, maybe I'm just a noob... but a sensor measures, and delivers raw (little letters) data output, that goes through an algoritm, resulting in RAW data (capital). I don't think Nikon and Sony are also using the same processing chips?
@@Yourtaer - Raw sensor data is not an "image" in any way shape or form. It literally has no "color" in it. It is a set of photosite voltage readings that are pre-amped and analog to digital converted to a "0db" state. They are just three GREY channels of voltage sets with metadata about the location they were collected and what RGGB filter they sat under. Again, raw sensor data is NOT an image. Is flour, coco, butter and sugar sitting on my counter top a chocolate cake? NO! They all need to be BAKED into a cake. Until then, those ingredients are NOT a cake...in any way shape of form...at all. Way to many people believe that raw sensor data is simply an uncompressed image file...and that is 100% completely wrong.
What would you say about video colors right out of camera between nikon and sony? For someone who's run and gun and doesn't want to spend time grading?
Much prefer the flip screen of the Canon because you can turn it completely around close it and you have now got a protected screen, you failed to mention this, in my opinion an advantage over the other two.
The joystick behavior is a setting - I forget what it was called but I found it playing with a Z7 in store because it was irritating, but it is possible to allow the joystick and dials to work in menus instead of popping you out to liveview for shooting.
That's very well done! Please do the in-depth review asap. I'm thinking about getting a full frame mirrorless camera but don't know which one to choose between the a7iii and the z6.
You should do more RUclips videos. You all are talented individually and gel as a team also have very unique and interested personalities, you can build on that to be a big success here.. especially in a shaky content put out by others, you will stand out with all that and honesty. Cheers!
I'm upgrading from a d7100 and looking into possibly getting one of these cameras. Which one would you recommend? I primarily shoot landscapes and street, with some portraits and macro here and there.
Because your type of photography doesn't necessarily require dual card slots, I would say that any of the three cameras featured will serve you well! Possibly the Nikon would be the best due to the combination of great dynamic range and great screen and viewfinder. The AF system is noticeably more frustrating than the Sony however, but still very useable. If you were shooting more people and event type of photography I would recommend the Sony for sure for the eye-AF and dual card slots. Hope this helps!
i have already upgraded from d7100 to sony a73 before the release of both canon and nikon. although sony native lenses are more expensive, overall, i have no regrets.
I have read that the A7III when an external monitor is connected or when connected by wifi deactivates the detection of faces, which would make it very difficult to record yourself, I would like you to test if this is the case and if in Z6 the same thing happens
I love your three way opinion. Nice work . Waiting for your in depth review . It's sad to see nikon is using the poor performing live view contrast detect
A few comments on video from a Sony shooter (I use an a6500 professionally for both stills and video, and have an a6000 and an a5100 as my B and C cameras). Please look at the highlight rolloff from the a7 III starting at the 12:25 mark of the video. Look at how horrible the highlights on the face and the near column on the building look; super saturated and clipped. Look at the complete lack of detail in the sky. This is something that most all of the Gamma curves in Sony cameras have (SLOG is an exception as you get a much smoother highlight rolloff in slot). Compare this to the Nikon and Canon highlights. Yes, the Nikon footage is probably more overexposed on the face than the a7 III footage, but notice how well the Nikon (and Canon) handle the transition from correct exposure to overexposure when compared to the a7 III. While the sensor of the a7 III has the ABILITY to deliver dynamic range as high as that of, say, the Z6, the 100Mbs Codec of the a7 III is just not capable of utilizing all that DR, unless you go into slog and that opens up a whole new can of problems. Anyway, thanks for the review. I think that from the samples I have seen online (and from previously comparing my D750 with my Sony cameras), the majority of people would do better for video with a Z6 and the Flat picture profile recording internally than they would with the a7 III and any of the Gammas other than SLOG 2. And if you want to use SLOG 2 regularly on the a7 III, most people would want an external recorder, and at that point, you would benefit more from the 10-bit N-Log of the Z6 anyway. Again, I am a Sony shooter and an un-official Sony Fan Boi, but Sony has to get their act together with their codecs because the dynamic range, highlight rolloff and colors of both the Z6 and the EOS R cameras are so much better when using the default profiles.
One other thought: Possibly when Sony comes out with their new APS-C camera (a6700 or the a7000 or whatever it will be called), they might finally include 10-bit video codecs that are competitive with what Panasonic or the new X-T3 offers. This potential improvement is basically the main thing stopping me from switching from Sony back to Nikon.
We actually don't use any log formats, so I wouldn't use that video AF tracking test to judge image profiles. It was bloody freezing cold out and we just wanted to look at the AF, not fiddle around with profiles.
Thanks! I think that it does show that - out of the box - there are some pretty obvious differences in DR and highlight rolloff when using the default picture profiles. And just going by my experience with Sony cameras (and asking other people who have lots of video experience with the a7 III), it is more difficult to avoid that clipping / nasty highlight rolloff. Hopefully sony gets this straightened out sooner rather than later.
I'm a Nikon hybrid event shooter and have waited patiently for the Z cameras. Reluctantly I will swap to sony, I need to replace my main camera. The single slot and poor battery life plus less than stellar stills AF are things I can't buy into as I make living out of my camera. The Sony A73 with the Tamron 28-75 f2.8 is a relatively cheap intro into the new system for me. I'm not thrilled with the evf and rear screen on the Sony and having to set up the notorious menu system, but going forward I think Sony is a safe bet to invest in. I hope also it's quick to move back and forth from video to stills on the Sony I'm still not clear on that.
I can tell you that the menu system is not a problem once you set up your custom menu, plus the quick menu (fn button), and set up the customizable physical buttons. Once you do all that stuff at the beginning, you'll probably never have to dive into the full menu again. Another thing that helped me was to attach a base plate (I found a cheaper Chinese knockoff of the RRS one) that adds another centimeter to the body, and that makes the grip perfect for me. No more pinky sticking out the bottom with no place to rest. And it makes it very quick and easy to attach to a tripod.
@@DeusExAstra thanks - how about swapping from video to still - at present with my Nikon it's one click and my settings are saved. Is it as quick with Sony I've heard it isn't from Sony shooters. This is major because I shoot literally for hours back n forth at speed. To give you an idea of how much my live view button dropped off which Nikon UK said was a first for them.
Sony cameras have five memory slots so you can save your settings. But don't format your memory card because that will erase three memory settings (which are saved to the memory card instead of the camera's internal memory). There are ways to quickly remove lots of images / videos without formatting your card. However if you regularly use more than one memory card, it might be difficult because you will have to save memory #3, 4, and 5 to multiple cards.
Eos R and Z6 are more advanced in EVF and Display resolution as well as touch interface. Moreover, the IBIS of the Z6 is at least as good as in the A3iii. ISO Performance: The Z6 performs so much better than the A7iii at high ISO. Except the Autofocus, what is significantly better at the A7iii?
Victor I'm a Nikon owner. Question does the Sony A73 switch back and forth from stills to video like the Nikon does saving the last settings. I'm a hybrid Nikon shooter looking to buy a A73. This is crucial to me as I make my living working this way. Any advice would be grateful received.
@@markshirley01 In the A7III you have one dial in the top of the camera, there is 2(1,2) profiles where you can save all your settings for photo or video, so you only need to turn the dial betwen this 2 profiles, even you have a third option only for video, isntead of a clasics pictures dial modes like portrait, sports, etc...!!! I cant put de photo of the dial here, dont know how, but its has the next options: P(i dont rememrber), A(Aperture priority), S(Shutter priority), M(Manual), Auto, 1(you chose and save all yor settings),2(second customizable mode) ,Movie, SandQ mode(Slow motion mode). Well, i did the test, if you are in manual mode, and you are shooting stills and you push rec, the camera will start to record with the same parameters as you was taking photos, and if you change parameters while your are recording and stop to record, camera will bring those settings(diaphragm), but as i said before, you only need turn the dial to 1 to 2 profile or even use movie mode olny for movies, and 1 and 2 profiles for specific settings on stills, or even 1 for video 4k and 2 for video 35mm crop, you have so many options on this camera! Sorry for my bad english!!!!
It’s not a thought! It’s the actual specs put out by Nikon. It’s rated at 310 images. We haven’t had a chance to put it into practice in the real world yet. We have with the Sony and have taken over 1200 images on one battery.
i@@xerodigitalvideodepartment7917 It is a thought, everyone else is reporting up to about a 1000 pics from actual use, instead of rushing biased opinions to youtube a thorough comparison that covered image quality, weather sealing, actual battery life, real video quality and features etc not even mentioning 10bit recording of the Z6 should have been a sign of what everyone was in for too bad it took me to get to the end of the video to see this Sony / Canon non-comprehensive biased comparison. "I switched to Sony now my product is the best" doesn't help anyone considering either of these cameras outside of your brand loyalty.
The battery life is not more than double as you say, Nikon has 1900 mAh, Sony has 2300 mAh and I guess the Canon is like 2000 mAh (not sure) ... bad misinformation in this video.
We just listed the CIPA ratings on the specs. Of course you'll get more than the CIPA ratings, but we hadn't had enough time with only two days to confidently say what the usual range of shots will be per charge. In any event, we have by now been able to get a better idea, and I can confirm that the Nikon is still quite a way behind the Sony on shots per charge. We're getting close to 900 on the Nikon, well over 1000 on the Canon, and usually more than 1500 on the Sony. Again, still a bit early to confidently say, but that's where we're at so far.
its quite bad that nikon fucked up, nobody was expecting anything good from canon so its ok, but nikon is to blame that there is no progress or competition in mirrorless right now.
You missed so much about its video capabilities 10 bit N Log it has and not even mentioned the 12 BIT PRORES RAW that will be coming out soon it will turn the industry upside down on its nose a total game changer. Sony fan boy review. Biased review. Understand that if you're a videographer the potential for 12 bit Raw video having 68 billion colors is a Monumental paradigm shift on how we capture video.
How many of the issues with the focusing, and others issues, might be resolved though a firmware update. Things like the one card slot and weather sealing cannot. Sony is on the on the 3rd generation of the 7 series while nikon is on the 1st Gen. I would like to see a comparison between the Sony a7 and the nikon Z6.
Have to say as far as weather proofing is concerned the Z6 blows the Sony away and this is confirmed by LensRental's teardown, not an issue for every one but in my line of work it's a deal breaker, (as for the proven AF issues a competent photographer can overcome this).
@@RC75 are you some sort of dumbass? None of these camera are dust or waterproof. There are plenty of people that shoot sony in tough conditions, they are littered across the beaches in california. They should be dying left and right..... they're not. Overrated claim for the Z6 because there's nothing else to claim.
chuck90504 I am shooting WRC rally’s and I have never protected my body’s and they have been under serious dust, mud and rain conditions. Sometimes a bit of plastic on my lenses but never on my body’s.
Sony is a great camera if you are not a landscape photographer. I had one and after 2 years was destroy by the humidity. They do not how to make a heavy duty camera. I do not trust in Sony anymore because they did not even response about my complains.
I'm puzzled. Why mention the actual shots you get per charge off the Sony, but mention only the CIPA rating of the Nikon? I own the Nikon Z7, and it has the same CIPA battery rating as the Z6, but I normally get more than 800 shots per charge. What gives?
Well, since this is only a first impressions video, and we had only had two days to fully use the camera, we would need more time to gather a complete idea of how many shots we typically get per charge. Likely we will say in the full review later.
@@jamiesondean That's irresponsible though to just throw it out as if the CIPA rating is gospel while comparing it to the actual numbers from the other brand. It would seem like you're just using those numbers to paint a bad image of the Nikon. And it says so in the title: "Nikon Z6 Hands-On vs Sony A7III vs Canon EOS R". Giving the impression that you've already tested the camera. Not good, mate. Not good at all. It may be inadvertent, or it may be deliberate, but this is not a good way to try to expand your subscriber base,
@@LopsidedAdventures what?! We literally gave the CIPA ratings for all three cameras! Over 700 for the A7III, almost 400 for the EOS-R and 310 for the Z6... How is that irresponsible?! Sounds to me like your problem is the CIPA rating. We're not going to make up a number after two days with the camera just to make it sound better.
@@jamiesondean The CIPA rating for the Sony is 700, and you also said you've actually shot 700 per charge on it. Then you mention the rating of the Z6 which is way lower, but the actual numbers will be much higher - if, as the title implies, you've done any hands-on stuff with it. Then you claim this is only a first impressions video. Again, I ask the question: What gives?
Just the fact that you can't even decide what sort of video this is, an actuall hands-on video or a first impressions video says a lot, dude. Waste of time and resource.
Nikon blew it with these 2 cameras. Lots of Nikon fanboys here. Sony is way ahead of both Nikon/Canon in features and performance. They all have their up and downs
3 ppl keep changing with no reason. Basically 3 ppl reading spec.. this unorganized mess. Seems they don’t even know about camera.. take 1 guy for video comparison and others for photo & more comparisons. Step by step.. learn from Michael and Jordan what the hell ya all doing with these good cameras... #nomorehipsters
Well, we did test and talk about how the AF compared between all three systems, as well as showing the subject tracking, face and eye AF effectiveness, and the speed. We talked about the introduced noises when using Nikor FE lenses, which nobody else yet has mentioned anywhere. We gave our impressions on the feel of the body with respect to to other two. We gave an example of the video af tracking bet\ween all three... I'm not sure that all qualifies as a "spec readout" by three people who don't even know about the camera, but you're entitled to your opinion. I'm hoping you could give us some creative input on what to improve on our next video? I mean, we did already have one person talk about the AF, then one person talk about the ergo, and another person talk about the specs highlights... which is basically your only suggestion so far.
who prefers the nikon z6 ?
Not sure how the Sony beats the Nikon for video... did Sony start offering 10 bit 422 output like the Nikon does? That seems like a pretty significant difference to me.
Watch it again... We never said the Sony beats the Nikon for video. Said the Sony and Nikon both beat the Canon.
@@jamiesondean So at 14:56 into the video, the comment is made that the Sony is head and shoulders above the Nikon Z6. It's doesn't say for stills. It seems like a blanket statement. As the Z6 is considered more video centric, I feel such a broad statement maybe misleading. Clearly at this point, for video at least, the Sony is at a decided disadvantage compared to the newer Nikon Z6.
@@angryrabbitproductions1690 Lol. Go back a few seconds. He says "Now knowing what this does" (hand grabbing Z6). So obviously he was comparing the overall functions of both cameras, Video + photo. Not sure how it was misleading considering it was his opinion based on how he does his work.
The Nikon has actually already proven to be the better video camera of the 3.
Also, Sony’s Eye AF wasn’t very good if the subject wasn’t looking at you. It almost never locked on the subject even though it would occasionally tell you it focused on the eye.
Honestly, I hated the Sony A7 III and sent that thing back within 2 weeks because it was not the dream machine many of these guys claimed it was.
Agreed, I'd take the Nikon Z6 over either for filming with! Would be a killer set up with the Atomos Ninja V recorder
Did you even test the battery? Every review has achieved well over 1000 including mixing in some video. This review isn't much better than just a spec sheet read
It's a first impressions hands on video, not a competitive review.
Jamieson Dean I kinda agree with Red Bat Racing. If you’re posting a review and then comparing it to other cameras you have to base it on real world experience and not simply what you read in the specs. You can’t say battery life is not as good without testing it. The tests I have seen with the Z7 make it seem almost identical to similarly specced mirrorless cameras.
@@mondotv4216 the problem is this; we never called it a review. We called it a hands-on first impressions video. We also had only two days with the camera and that wasn't enough time to make a confident assessment, so we mentioned the specs and said that you will likely get more than that. Now that we have had time to get a real world idea of battery life, I can confidently say that the Z6 is still behind the other two. We've been seeing about 900 shots per charge. Close to the Canon, but not anywhere near the Sony where we usually get over 1500 shots per charge
@@jamiesondean great job resorting to weasel words to dig yourself out of not putting any actual effort into a real review in the first place.
@@strichtarn3228 well dpreview just did their comparison review of all three, and they didn't even bother to mention battery life.
This review is using the Nikon Z6 as a point and shoot camera. The Z6 has a lot of Autofocus settings that can configure the camera based upon the situation for optimum result. People using these cameras do not just sit back and let the camera do everything for them. So apparently these reviewers do not understand much about this camera and are making a superficial comparison. Having said that, the demonstration was entertaining.
I have used Z7, if Z6 is the same as Z7, the people in this review does not know about Camera at all.
How would you rank the Nikon Z6 in comparison to the Sony a7iii and Eos R now that it has all the updates (including eye AF) ?
Did you talk about image quality and color rendition in your video and I missed it? To me the most important aspect of a camera is it's output qualities. Up until recently I was using a Nikon D750 with a 24-120 f4 and a 50mm f1.4. Five weeks ago I sold it and bought a Sony A7iii with 55mm f1.8 Sony Zeiss and I bought the LA EA4 adaptor and also use several very good Sony Minolta lenses I have been using with two film cameras.
I have had a couple of Nikon DSLR cameras and from what I have so far taken on the Sony the color rendition is significantly different than Nikon. Some aspects of this are OK and some not. I have taken lots of shots of my garden roses as I have shot them with many different cameras and films and have samples of the results. The Sony does a good job with flower bright colors. Much of the time the Jpegs are fine and you don't have to go with raw. The Sony for me works better in mid day full sun shots, but to do this it turns the image bluer. And for some reason the shots in the Sony do not seem to change much using or not using a polarizing filter. My point for bringing this up is that the color rendition I am getting varies a lot from the two Nikon DSLRs I have been using. Anyone buying the Sony should be aware of this and should audition the color.
The Sony Menu system is abysmal compared to Nikon. The Nikon touch screen system and using their menu is great. Sony does have lots of buttons you can program but then you have to remember what you programed where. I have only tested the Nikon Z7 in a Nikon promotion at a local camera shop, but I would say the Nikon EVF is way superior to the Sony.
I shoot 98% stills on this camera. If I had it to do over again I would keep my D750. The only significant advantage of the Sony A7iii over the D750 in my humble opinion is that you can see the histogram in the EVF before shooting the photo. This saves chimping and bracketing. I don't bother to bracket any more. I like the Nikon F mount line up of lenses far better than the Sony emount line up. You can buy a brand new D750 with 24-120 from Nikon USA today for $1,900. The Sony A7iii with 24-105 would cost you $3,300. The 750 is a better value for stills. Not video though. Sony far far easier to use for video. The image quality between the two is about the same. To me the newer Sony is not any better.
My own personal experience is that my Apple iPhones have the most accurate color using either the native camera app or the Adobe CC camera app. And next would be either my Nikon D5500 or D750. After that was my little Sony HX 80 and then the Sony A7iii. I have also used many different film stocks. Fuji Superia 200 or 400 have very accurate color. So does the beautiful new Kodak Ektacrhome. But accurate color does not mean it is the color you want. My experience is that Lightroom CC Classic plays nicer with Nikon files than Sony A7iii files. When I say "Nikon" files I mean from the cameras I have used 5500 and 750).
But I also have an issue getting mid day full sun Nikon files to look good. The Sony A7iii does a better job with that except when you are around a lot of water the Sony system adds a ton of blue. And where the Nikon cameras files are greatly affected by adding a polarizing filter you almost cannot tell the difference in the raw or jpeg files from the Sony. But there is the issue when you are around water.
I find being able to see the histogram before taking the shot a huge benefit. I am sure that is why mid day full sun shots are easier on the A7iii compared to the Nikon DSLRs. I look at the zebras and histo before pushing the button. Part of the Sony going to blue in sea shots has to do with the Sony Zeiss 55mm f1.8. Must be the coatings. When I use adapted glass like the Sigma or Minolta daytime shots are not as blue near the sea or as controlled in general.
But of course all this complication adds to make you continue to lear to use your gear. @@raminolta
R Nuttmann I sold my D750 for the Z6 I’ve tested low light noise, speed and accuracy of auto focus, quality and colour and I’m loving it!
Paul, I am done with new gear for a while. At the last minute I bought the Sony A7iii over a Z7 because I have had very good luck with Sony compact cameras over the last 15 years and I have 5 very good Sony-Minolta lenses. I went to the A7 and not R because I figured if I did not like it the cost to change would not be so high. My biggest issue with the Sony A7iii is that controls hard to use when shooting. Plus for some reason when you get the Sony near large bodies of water like the Ocean or San Diego harbor it just seems to swing the color balance to blue. My Nikons and compact Sony do not do this. It is very hard to get the color balance right in Lightroom when this happens and you have to do it on each file. A PIA. @@paulmorrall5719
Lightroom is the problem not Sony, just try Capture One Express, you see the colors improve a lot. And even when i compare the colors from my old D7100 between Capture One and Lightroom, the picture look way better in Capture One. Lightroom just not renders as good and that not just in color.
Nice video. I'd like to see what you guys think of the x-t3 vs everything else.
I don't shoot 4k so the Canon works just great for video for me. I also prefer shooting with it rather than the a7riii. I find it takes more work to get good video out of the Sony.
The Sony is two years old and it’s keeping up nicely with the two new guys. Makes u wonder what the R4 will look like
No, it came out early 2018.
I will keep my d750, but my new Sony A7iii just blows any of the competition out of the water. Eye focus and Lock-On AF Expand Flexible Spot. This is so great. Those two settings alone lets Canon and Nikons focusing technology look like stone age. Just a honest opinion.
I have had a Sony A7iii for five weeks. Have not used eye auto focus once. But I will this weekend. I had a D750 before the A7iii. To me the controls of the D750 are much better than the A7iii. 750 front and back control dials very easy to use while shooting. For my hands the A7iii control dials very hard to use when shooting. I find mid day full shun shots much easy on the Sony because of EVF. So far I think I have not used eye AF just because I have not needed to. The Sony standard focus us very good and I have not thought to push the eye focus button.
@@RobertNuttmann i feel the body of Z6 better that others, it looks as DSLR but Sony lens and autofocus wins the war. The autofocus of A7III is more accurate and decisive. Sony offers also better wide lens as 16-35mm and other portrait lens as the 135mm 1.8, and the others Zeiss lens also. I look the test in laboratory and the quality of Sony prime is very high. I think that Sony is the next step, Z series is good but it is too early now.
It's a proven fact now that the A7-III and Nikon Z6 use the exact same Sony IMX410 image sensor so the raw output should be identical. (Thank you TechInsights X-ray machine and electron microscopes!) Jpg processing could be different. As for the Sony XQD card socket? This might have been a condition placed by Sony on the Nikon/Sony sensor contract of sale. Lumix S1?....will it also have the same IMX410? Who knows? We do know it also has an Sony XQD card socket. Hmmmmm......
I'm not sure, maybe I'm just a noob... but a sensor measures, and delivers raw (little letters) data output, that goes through an algoritm, resulting in RAW data (capital). I don't think Nikon and Sony are also using the same processing chips?
@@Yourtaer - Raw sensor data is not an "image" in any way shape or form. It literally has no "color" in it. It is a set of photosite voltage readings that are pre-amped and analog to digital converted to a "0db" state. They are just three GREY channels of voltage sets with metadata about the location they were collected and what RGGB filter they sat under. Again, raw sensor data is NOT an image. Is flour, coco, butter and sugar sitting on my counter top a chocolate cake? NO! They all need to be BAKED into a cake. Until then, those ingredients are NOT a cake...in any way shape of form...at all. Way to many people believe that raw sensor data is simply an uncompressed image file...and that is 100% completely wrong.
If I am being brutally honest, you could have given us some sample photos and (more) sample footage. Too much to ask?
What would you say about video colors right out of camera between nikon and sony? For someone who's run and gun and doesn't want to spend time grading?
Much prefer the flip screen of the Canon because you can turn it completely around close it and you have now got a protected screen, you failed to mention this, in my opinion an advantage over the other two.
The joystick behavior is a setting - I forget what it was called but I found it playing with a Z7 in store because it was irritating, but it is possible to allow the joystick and dials to work in menus instead of popping you out to liveview for shooting.
Probably because you're using the joystick for the function of the directional pad
Hi.....Please help which camera to choose for me as a beginner Canon EOS 6D Mark II / Canon EOS R / OR /Nikon Z6
That's very well done! Please do the in-depth review asap. I'm thinking about getting a full frame mirrorless camera but don't know which one to choose between the a7iii and the z6.
I like both, but the Sony is undefeated because Sony has begun the mirrorless 5 years ago. There are many lens and the third generation of bodies.
You should do more RUclips videos. You all are talented individually and gel as a team also have very unique and interested personalities, you can build on that to be a big success here.. especially in a shaky content put out by others, you will stand out with all that and honesty.
Cheers!
Witch lens did you use to make the tests? They have a huge role when talking about focus velocity.
The Nikon will be the Video Beast with the massive May 16th update. No contest.
really?
@@JibaroTech Yes, ProRes RAW update is immanent.
@@limelightmuskoka7237 we started July already.... The loong wait...
Excellent video!! Thanks for making them!
I'm upgrading from a d7100 and looking into possibly getting one of these cameras. Which one would you recommend? I primarily shoot landscapes and street, with some portraits and macro here and there.
Because your type of photography doesn't necessarily require dual card slots, I would say that any of the three cameras featured will serve you well! Possibly the Nikon would be the best due to the combination of great dynamic range and great screen and viewfinder. The AF system is noticeably more frustrating than the Sony however, but still very useable. If you were shooting more people and event type of photography I would recommend the Sony for sure for the eye-AF and dual card slots. Hope this helps!
The Eastcore thanks!
i have already upgraded from d7100 to sony a73 before the release of both canon and nikon. although sony native lenses are more expensive, overall, i have no regrets.
I have read that the A7III when an external monitor is connected or when connected by wifi deactivates the detection of faces, which would make it very difficult to record yourself, I would like you to test if this is the case and if in Z6 the same thing happens
Okay, will check!
@@raminolta face detection for video
why sony cheaper because no charger , low resolution viewfinder , no weather sealing .
Jaspreet Singh it is weather sealed
How did you get Z6 before Nov 16th, I'm wondering, as this video was available at 6:00a that morning?
You just couldn't buy the Z6 before the 16th. There are lots of camera bodies out there in people's hands before being sold to the public.
I love your three way opinion. Nice work . Waiting for your in depth review . It's sad to see nikon is using the poor performing live view contrast detect
🤨 @6:54 .. CHALLENGE ACCEPTED 😂
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I am looking forward to your second Video about the three. I am looking for a ff mirorless system to buy in :)
It seem impossible to get an unbiased review about the Z6
Well Done !
Another great Review Video !
Thank you
A few comments on video from a Sony shooter (I use an a6500 professionally for both stills and video, and have an a6000 and an a5100 as my B and C cameras). Please look at the highlight rolloff from the a7 III starting at the 12:25 mark of the video. Look at how horrible the highlights on the face and the near column on the building look; super saturated and clipped. Look at the complete lack of detail in the sky. This is something that most all of the Gamma curves in Sony cameras have (SLOG is an exception as you get a much smoother highlight rolloff in slot). Compare this to the Nikon and Canon highlights. Yes, the Nikon footage is probably more overexposed on the face than the a7 III footage, but notice how well the Nikon (and Canon) handle the transition from correct exposure to overexposure when compared to the a7 III. While the sensor of the a7 III has the ABILITY to deliver dynamic range as high as that of, say, the Z6, the 100Mbs Codec of the a7 III is just not capable of utilizing all that DR, unless you go into slog and that opens up a whole new can of problems. Anyway, thanks for the review. I think that from the samples I have seen online (and from previously comparing my D750 with my Sony cameras), the majority of people would do better for video with a Z6 and the Flat picture profile recording internally than they would with the a7 III and any of the Gammas other than SLOG 2. And if you want to use SLOG 2 regularly on the a7 III, most people would want an external recorder, and at that point, you would benefit more from the 10-bit N-Log of the Z6 anyway. Again, I am a Sony shooter and an un-official Sony Fan Boi, but Sony has to get their act together with their codecs because the dynamic range, highlight rolloff and colors of both the Z6 and the EOS R cameras are so much better when using the default profiles.
One other thought: Possibly when Sony comes out with their new APS-C camera (a6700 or the a7000 or whatever it will be called), they might finally include 10-bit video codecs that are competitive with what Panasonic or the new X-T3 offers. This potential improvement is basically the main thing stopping me from switching from Sony back to Nikon.
We actually don't use any log formats, so I wouldn't use that video AF tracking test to judge image profiles. It was bloody freezing cold out and we just wanted to look at the AF, not fiddle around with profiles.
Thanks! I think that it does show that - out of the box - there are some pretty obvious differences in DR and highlight rolloff when using the default picture profiles. And just going by my experience with Sony cameras (and asking other people who have lots of video experience with the a7 III), it is more difficult to avoid that clipping / nasty highlight rolloff. Hopefully sony gets this straightened out sooner rather than later.
I'm a Nikon hybrid event shooter and have waited patiently for the Z cameras. Reluctantly I will swap to sony, I need to replace my main camera. The single slot and poor battery life plus less than stellar stills AF are things I can't buy into as I make living out of my camera. The Sony A73 with the Tamron 28-75 f2.8 is a relatively cheap intro into the new system for me. I'm not thrilled with the evf and rear screen on the Sony and having to set up the notorious menu system, but going forward I think Sony is a safe bet to invest in. I hope also it's quick to move back and forth from video to stills on the Sony I'm still not clear on that.
I can tell you that the menu system is not a problem once you set up your custom menu, plus the quick menu (fn button), and set up the customizable physical buttons. Once you do all that stuff at the beginning, you'll probably never have to dive into the full menu again. Another thing that helped me was to attach a base plate (I found a cheaper Chinese knockoff of the RRS one) that adds another centimeter to the body, and that makes the grip perfect for me. No more pinky sticking out the bottom with no place to rest. And it makes it very quick and easy to attach to a tripod.
@@DeusExAstra thanks - how about swapping from video to still - at present with my Nikon it's one click and my settings are saved. Is it as quick with Sony I've heard it isn't from Sony shooters. This is major because I shoot literally for hours back n forth at speed. To give you an idea of how much my live view button dropped off which Nikon UK said was a first for them.
@@markshirley01 I dont do that so often to know if there's a faster way, but as far as I know you just have to switch modes in the dial on top.
Sony cameras have five memory slots so you can save your settings. But don't format your memory card because that will erase three memory settings (which are saved to the memory card instead of the camera's internal memory). There are ways to quickly remove lots of images / videos without formatting your card. However if you regularly use more than one memory card, it might be difficult because you will have to save memory #3, 4, and 5 to multiple cards.
@@DeusExAstra have you a link to the baseplate
The background music is distracting.
Basically the Canon Eos R and Nikon Z6 is like a Sony A7II, The A7III run rings around both of them!
Eos R and Z6 are more advanced in EVF and Display resolution as well as touch interface. Moreover, the IBIS of the Z6 is at least as good as in the A3iii. ISO Performance: The Z6 performs so much better than the A7iii at high ISO.
Except the Autofocus, what is significantly better at the A7iii?
Great video. Thank you
Thanks for this good video, i am happy with my a7iii! I was a nikon user but i had to change!
Victor I'm a Nikon owner. Question does the Sony A73 switch back and forth from stills to video like the Nikon does saving the last settings. I'm a hybrid Nikon shooter looking to buy a A73. This is crucial to me as I make my living working this way. Any advice would be grateful received.
@@markshirley01 In the A7III you have one dial in the top of the camera, there is 2(1,2) profiles where you can save all your settings for photo or video, so you only need to turn the dial betwen this 2 profiles, even you have a third option only for video, isntead of a clasics pictures dial modes like portrait, sports, etc...!!!
I cant put de photo of the dial here, dont know how, but its has the next options: P(i dont rememrber), A(Aperture priority), S(Shutter priority), M(Manual), Auto, 1(you chose and save all yor settings),2(second customizable mode) ,Movie, SandQ mode(Slow motion mode).
Well, i did the test, if you are in manual mode, and you are shooting stills and you push rec, the camera will start to record with the same parameters as you was taking photos, and if you change parameters while your are recording and stop to record, camera will bring those settings(diaphragm), but as i said before, you only need turn the dial to 1 to 2 profile or even use movie mode olny for movies, and 1 and 2 profiles for specific settings on stills, or even 1 for video 4k and 2 for video 35mm crop, you have so many options on this camera!
Sorry for my bad english!!!!
Hey guys, greetings from Brazil :D
Nice video, congrats.
who prefers the sony a7iii ?
LOL seems like you did not select face detection on nikon. Only object tracking.
Incorrect. We absolutely did enable face detect AF as you should be able to see from the actual video of us shooting the portraits.
THANK YOU FOR READING THE SPECSHEETS FOR 18 MINS
Greetings from Romania ! A very good video !
Sony has better battery life? Interesting thought.
It’s not a thought! It’s the actual specs put out by Nikon. It’s rated at 310 images. We haven’t had a chance to put it into practice in the real world yet. We have with the Sony and have taken over 1200 images on one battery.
i@@xerodigitalvideodepartment7917 It is a thought, everyone else is reporting up to about a 1000 pics from actual use, instead of rushing biased opinions to youtube a thorough comparison that covered image quality, weather sealing, actual battery life, real video quality and features etc not even mentioning 10bit recording of the Z6 should have been a sign of what everyone was in for too bad it took me to get to the end of the video to see this Sony / Canon non-comprehensive biased comparison. "I switched to Sony now my product is the best" doesn't help anyone considering either of these cameras outside of your brand loyalty.
We did mention the 10bit recording. We will check actually battery life in the real world with our next video.
12:51 we mentioned the 10 bit through HDMI.
The battery life is not more than double as you say, Nikon has 1900 mAh, Sony has 2300 mAh and I guess the Canon is like 2000 mAh (not sure) ... bad misinformation in this video.
The X-T3 has like 1200 mAh, and that is like crap, but the Fuji fan boys love it.
We just listed the CIPA ratings on the specs. Of course you'll get more than the CIPA ratings, but we hadn't had enough time with only two days to confidently say what the usual range of shots will be per charge. In any event, we have by now been able to get a better idea, and I can confirm that the Nikon is still quite a way behind the Sony on shots per charge. We're getting close to 900 on the Nikon, well over 1000 on the Canon, and usually more than 1500 on the Sony. Again, still a bit early to confidently say, but that's where we're at so far.
its quite bad that nikon fucked up, nobody was expecting anything good from canon so its ok, but nikon is to blame that there is no progress or competition in mirrorless right now.
excellent video
You missed so much about its video capabilities 10 bit N Log it has and not even mentioned the 12 BIT PRORES RAW that will be coming out soon it will turn the industry upside down on its nose a total game changer. Sony fan boy review. Biased review. Understand that if you're a videographer the potential for 12 bit Raw video having 68 billion colors is a Monumental paradigm shift on how we capture video.
Not a good video, I was looking for a sensible comparison but you didn't provide one. Sorry.
super cool vid
How many of the issues with the focusing, and others issues, might be resolved though a firmware update. Things like the one card slot and weather sealing cannot.
Sony is on the on the 3rd generation of the 7 series while nikon is on the 1st Gen. I would like to see a comparison between the Sony a7 and the nikon Z6.
I'm not interested in comparing a brand new camera with a 5 year old one.
@@jamiesondean but you are interested in comparing a 1st generation camera to a 3rd generation one.
@@jss27560 are you interested in comparing a Tesla Model S with a Ford Model T? I mean, they're both the first generation car from each company.
Have to say as far as weather proofing is concerned the Z6 blows the Sony away and this is confirmed by LensRental's teardown, not an issue for every one but in my line of work it's a deal breaker, (as for the proven AF issues a competent photographer can overcome this).
Put a plastic bag over the Sony.
lucus lopez How stupid is that? Camera’s in that price range should be water- and dustproof, no discussion.
@@RC75 are you some sort of dumbass? None of these camera are dust or waterproof. There are plenty of people that shoot sony in tough conditions, they are littered across the beaches in california. They should be dying left and right..... they're not. Overrated claim for the Z6 because there's nothing else to claim.
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chuck90504 I am shooting WRC rally’s and I have never protected my body’s and they have been under serious dust, mud and rain conditions. Sometimes a bit of plastic on my lenses but never on my body’s.
GREAT GREAT REVIEW!!!
Sony is a great camera if you are not a landscape photographer. I had one and after 2 years was destroy by the humidity. They do not how to make a heavy duty camera. I do not trust in Sony anymore because they did not even response about my complains.
EOS-R is not comparable to Z6 and A73. Their opponent is the EOS-RP.
That wpuld mean that the RP is better than the R which of course is not. Why do you think so?
I'm puzzled. Why mention the actual shots you get per charge off the Sony, but mention only the CIPA rating of the Nikon? I own the Nikon Z7, and it has the same CIPA battery rating as the Z6, but I normally get more than 800 shots per charge. What gives?
Well, since this is only a first impressions video, and we had only had two days to fully use the camera, we would need more time to gather a complete idea of how many shots we typically get per charge. Likely we will say in the full review later.
@@jamiesondean That's irresponsible though to just throw it out as if the CIPA rating is gospel while comparing it to the actual numbers from the other brand. It would seem like you're just using those numbers to paint a bad image of the Nikon. And it says so in the title: "Nikon Z6 Hands-On vs Sony A7III vs Canon EOS R". Giving the impression that you've already tested the camera. Not good, mate. Not good at all. It may be inadvertent, or it may be deliberate, but this is not a good way to try to expand your subscriber base,
@@LopsidedAdventures what?! We literally gave the CIPA ratings for all three cameras! Over 700 for the A7III, almost 400 for the EOS-R and 310 for the Z6... How is that irresponsible?! Sounds to me like your problem is the CIPA rating. We're not going to make up a number after two days with the camera just to make it sound better.
@@jamiesondean The CIPA rating for the Sony is 700, and you also said you've actually shot 700 per charge on it. Then you mention the rating of the Z6 which is way lower, but the actual numbers will be much higher - if, as the title implies, you've done any hands-on stuff with it. Then you claim this is only a first impressions video. Again, I ask the question: What gives?
Just the fact that you can't even decide what sort of video this is, an actuall hands-on video or a first impressions video says a lot, dude. Waste of time and resource.
I actually fell asleep watching this. The matching outfits to carry on the gray-scale theme is cute though.
Wordsworthian it looks like three guys sitting in the bathtub together!
the real battle is between Sony a7s III & Panasonic S1 ..............2019 for video
love to read the comment😂😂...is there any fuji shooter here ???
Z6 beats sony !!. This is a biased video !!!
That sounds like a biased comment... Is that a Nikon camera around your neck in your profile pic?
@@jamiesondeanYes ofcourse. !! What's wrong in it ??
@@mtxxxx4861 Your behavior is the problem!
Ha ha... Sony A7 iii beats both z6 and Eos R
Come on !! stop teaching me "Behavior" !
Nikon blew it with these 2 cameras. Lots of Nikon fanboys here. Sony is way ahead of both Nikon/Canon in features and performance. They all have their up and downs
Dont review without trying.
3 ppl keep changing with no reason. Basically 3 ppl reading spec.. this unorganized mess. Seems they don’t even know about camera.. take 1 guy for video comparison and others for photo & more comparisons. Step by step.. learn from Michael and Jordan what the hell ya all doing with these good cameras... #nomorehipsters
Well, we did test and talk about how the AF compared between all three systems, as well as showing the subject tracking, face and eye AF effectiveness, and the speed. We talked about the introduced noises when using Nikor FE lenses, which nobody else yet has mentioned anywhere. We gave our impressions on the feel of the body with respect to to other two. We gave an example of the video af tracking bet\ween all three... I'm not sure that all qualifies as a "spec readout" by three people who don't even know about the camera, but you're entitled to your opinion. I'm hoping you could give us some creative input on what to improve on our next video? I mean, we did already have one person talk about the AF, then one person talk about the ergo, and another person talk about the specs highlights... which is basically your only suggestion so far.