The Best of Star Trek: Voyager: Living Witness

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Комментарии • 688

  • @andrewh5568
    @andrewh5568 3 года назад +159

    They probably built the back-up after "Message In A Bottle."

    • @jezz2k
      @jezz2k 3 года назад +3

      @@daveross2265 Me too.

    • @jimtaylor294
      @jimtaylor294 3 года назад +13

      My thoughts exactly. Had this detail been alluded to in the episode* it wouldn't be given a 2nd thought.
      *Like:
      "Why did your ship have a backup EMH?"
      "The crew must of decided it nessesary after stardate >insert date

    • @indigosteel5702
      @indigosteel5702 3 года назад +11

      I figured the same thing! They created the backup module *because* of the deterioration incident, then later lost it to these folks and couldn't make another one for some reason

    • @jimtaylor294
      @jimtaylor294 3 года назад +6

      @@indigosteel5702 Aye; or made another yet ended up not having to use it.

    • @indigosteel5702
      @indigosteel5702 3 года назад +2

      @@jimtaylor294 Precisely!

  • @FatNorthernBigot
    @FatNorthernBigot 3 года назад +100

    I also have happy memories of when Star Trek was both optimistic and worth watching. That's what they are... memories.

  • @GarretGrayCamera
    @GarretGrayCamera 3 года назад +277

    More themes and ideas to ponder in this episode than the whole season of Picard.

    • @spacedinosaur8733
      @spacedinosaur8733 3 года назад +22

      but Federation BAD! Humans naughty for not saving Romulans & something....something about androids or borg slaves double plus not good...I think.

    • @QrazyQuarian
      @QrazyQuarian 3 года назад +9

      @@spacedinosaur8733 but good people see five lights!

    • @DarthBalsamic
      @DarthBalsamic 3 года назад +9

      @@spacedinosaur8733 Don't forget Seven of Nine ditching men like Chakotay to be a rogue lesbian. Lol

    • @liammcnulty1987
      @liammcnulty1987 3 года назад +4

      Picard is the transformers of Star Trek.

    • @jamesbizs
      @jamesbizs 3 года назад +6

      @@spacedinosaur8733 pretty much their way of telling us how bad we are for not helping Mexicans and South Americans, because we don’t have enough time and money to help others before we help our selves. That’s the problem with with the nu trek or many new shows today. Yes you can bring up modern events and things happening today, but try not to lecture us and make us feel bad about things based on your own beliefs. It alienates a large portion of the viewer base. Everyone should be able to enjoy shows, and also be entertained and be able to escape. Otherwise we will just watch the news or documentaries

  • @Nobleheart111
    @Nobleheart111 3 года назад +61

    To be fair, they might have made the “backup EMH” specifically because they realized how hard it was to try to recreate the doctor from scratch in that previous episode.

    • @JeroAstra
      @JeroAstra 2 года назад +4

      Exactly

    • @kettch777
      @kettch777 Год назад +3

      Or it could be that the Kirians attacked Voyager prior to the events of "Message in a Bottle", meaning Voyager had already lost it during the events in this episode and that's why Tom and Harry were trying to recreate a replacement.

  • @Popesize
    @Popesize 3 года назад +271

    Another part of Star Trek, that Klurtzman would never understand.

    • @Scottlp2
      @Scottlp2 3 года назад +8

      As bad as Kurtzman’s recent work is, and I’m not very fond of JJs recent work either, I recently rewatched Fringe which was Kurtzman and JJ, and it was great character driven SF. I wonder what happened.

    • @spacedinosaur8733
      @spacedinosaur8733 3 года назад +23

      "The Doctor was an android. I saw it in the first few minutes of that one episode. Now I'll make him a major part of this season!" - probably Kurtzman

    • @BTC909
      @BTC909 3 года назад +13

      What if Dave tried to explain this to Klutzman using simple words & lots of crayons?

    • @dandare9055
      @dandare9055 3 года назад +9

      @@BTC909 Are you trying to make Kurtz choke on crayons?

    • @jimtaylor294
      @jimtaylor294 3 года назад +8

      @@dandare9055 Yes.

  • @TGNXAR
    @TGNXAR 3 года назад +60

    One could say the doctor's backup module came about *because* of Harry and Tom's attempt to make a new EMH.

    • @skwills1629
      @skwills1629 3 года назад +2

      Thats a Possibility I Had not considered. I Thought either they Lost the Module before that Episode, the One with Him in the Far Future dons't set when the Events discussed in it occure, or else Harry and Tom were simply unaware of it.

    • @wazza33racer
      @wazza33racer 3 года назад +2

      exactly, well said.

    • @jamesbizs
      @jamesbizs 3 года назад +1

      The question is, is the doctor special anymore, if they can create copy after copy after copy after copy, all of which just a sentient as the original doctor. They can create and replicate life at a godlike scale. This makes even data with his special positronic brain, No longer seem special at all. Who cares if you can’t replicate another android with his brain, if you can just create another doctor, with the current hardware we have, that is easy to make, even 70,000 light years from home.

    • @edgymoji8260
      @edgymoji8260 3 года назад

      @@jamesbizs same could be said for transporters

    • @Hiraya198
      @Hiraya198 3 года назад +1

      @@jamesbizs I think the Doctor was made special by his individuality which he gained through his unique experiences and the opportunity he had to have agency over his own programming. It follows that any EMH would "be special" if granted to those rights, because they would become distinct individuals, which is a theme touched on in episodes that highlight the Doctors EMH right's activism. The episodes Flesh and Blood and Author, Author explore these ideas really well, imo!

  • @kennyfordham6208
    @kennyfordham6208 3 года назад +26

    My favorite line in this episode is when the Doctor says - "Except for Mr. Paris, these are all lies!" Lol!

    • @mrmrsgamer6938
      @mrmrsgamer6938 3 года назад +6

      along with "watch your mouth hedgehog!" XD

  • @TheJadeFist
    @TheJadeFist 3 года назад +16

    I must confess I always enjoy these dark universe type episodes. Also included one of the best lines ever"Nobody acted like this, except maybe Mr Paris"

    • @joelellis7035
      @joelellis7035 3 года назад +1

      Apparently, the cast really enjoyed this episode too since they were a little tired of playing goody-two-shoes all the time.

  • @arcaneperspicacity2402
    @arcaneperspicacity2402 3 года назад +197

    Beware of those who claim that their ancestors were victims of another people, and who to try to evoke outrage against others living today. Surprisingly often, those who promote outrage do not desire justice. They want to spread hatred, humiliate others, and seek self-aggrandizement.

    • @Thalanox
      @Thalanox 3 года назад +26

      Victimhood narratives do seem to be outstandingly useful in maintaining a tight group identity if you're part of the ingroup and appear to provide a sense of fellowship and common purpose for said ingroup.
      You can see this now with black people and the slavery narrative, and also with the other peoples and narratives that must never be mentioned.

    • @georgethompson1460
      @georgethompson1460 3 года назад +6

      @Chicago Typerider Not really it's mostly an african-american thing exhasberbated by the commies in the government, ethnostates are just another purity cycle just another collectivism.

    • @paulcoy9060
      @paulcoy9060 3 года назад

      Yes, exactly, beware of the Trump Zombies and their Death Cult.

    • @paulcoy9060
      @paulcoy9060 3 года назад +1

      @Connection Lost Not "as opposed to". Do you think there can be only one Bad Guy? By concentrating on your preferred Boogey-Man, you lose sight of the threat your own party engenders. Keep your eyes and ears open.

    • @ottowokeninger9617
      @ottowokeninger9617 3 года назад +7

      Hmm, sounds like the people of Kurtzman and Abrams. Expelled how many times? (but it was always the host nation's fault)

  • @deletebilderberg
    @deletebilderberg 3 года назад +29

    There were some truly magical moments during Voyager - sadly not enough IMO. Played a little ‘too safe’.
    However, I’d watch ‘Threshold’ on repeat for a week rather than entertain ‘Discovery’ for five bloody minutes.
    MORE of these ST themed videos please DAVE!!

  • @Eincrou
    @Eincrou 3 года назад +130

    It's quite a message in this episode, especially today when powerful forces are trying to consolidate their ability to set the "official" narrative on not only historical events, but present and ongoing events. They use censorship and smears to prevent alternative narratives or inconvenient facts from gaining prominence. I'm glad the episode proved The Doctor wrong by showing that the brutal, honest truth is what has the best chance to lead to good outcomes.

    • @Erikjust
      @Erikjust 3 года назад +10

      It´s funny really how often stories written 10, 20 , 30 or even more years back has come back to be quite relevant today.
      Yes history can be brutal especially when put into wider context and there are DEFIANTLY parts of it, that NOBODY is proud off and would rather forget ever existed and others chose to ignore.
      But again as shown here the honest brutal truth is often better in the long run, rather then the kind lie.

    • @Hiraghm
      @Hiraghm 3 года назад +3

      Define "good outcome". In this case, as is the case throughout most of actual real human history, "good outcome" is fully dependent upon the observer's goals, attitudes and values.
      While we might see the Confederate War as having a "good outcome"... those people whose way of life was destroyed, who for better than a century became a pariah culture might disagree. An objective observer, watching western civilization on the verge of collapse into socialist hell, watching the cities being burned and looted over false narratives of false history, might also disagree that the outcome was "good". Certainly sub-optimal.
      A second war where one or the other became victorious and imposed an empire, or exterminated the other species (not "race") might be considered a "good" outcome... depending on one's goals, attitudes and values.
      It appears to have been a "good outcome" that Suetonius defeated Boadicea from our perspective two thousand years later; but I don't think her people who had to live through the subsequent history would have agreed.

    • @Eincrou
      @Eincrou 3 года назад +7

      @@Hiraghm _Define "good outcome"._
      No. You'll have to 'sperg out with this digression into moral nihilism on your own.

    • @Ozymandias1
      @Ozymandias1 3 года назад +7

      There's the 1619 Project by the New York Times, which aims the United States to be viewed as a profoundly racist country from it's founding with no redeeming qualities at all.

    • @Erikjust
      @Erikjust 3 года назад +1

      I think good history more or less needs to be unbiased and neutral.
      It shouldn´t take sides or exclude certain things display everything including the mindset at the time and let people judge it from ALL of the facts.
      A few examples could be
      WW2 many see the whole Aryan race thing as exclusively Hitler´s invention, yet in reality all he did was taking already existing beliefs of that time and turn them a bit more extreme.
      Eugenics was something that was prevalent in the Nordic countries around that time.
      And there are stories some people can tell of being brought to hospitals as youth and being sterilized, "for their own good".
      Since they where seen as not conforming to the eugenic standards.
      Same with Black slavery that the USA and most of Europe took slaves is a well known fact.
      Lesser known is that Africa was drinking from that cup just as deep if not deeper than Europe and USA did.
      In fact we have a statement from one of the African kings begging the British not to abolish slavery, as the joy of taking a captive tribe as slaves was a deeply ingrained part of their culture.
      Also a lot of African slaves where not captured by white slavers but captured and sold by their own people for a nice profit.
      Then there is the most recent of all the leftist screaming racist over black people killed by the cops.
      However here once again things are left out and it shouldn´t.
      Floyd was high on drugs and was making a scene even before he got arrested and his cardiac arrest can directly be contributed to a combination of stress and the amount of drugs he had taken.
      So once again history should remain unbiased and show the ENTIRE thing not just pieces of it.

  • @eradius
    @eradius 3 года назад +16

    doctor centric episodes were always the best when it came to voyager. this in particular is a fantastic one. i also really enjoy latent image and author, author

  • @MrCdnBeef
    @MrCdnBeef 10 месяцев назад +2

    The closing scene where a visitor asked what became of the doctor, came out of left field. It was an unexpected gut punch that brought me to tears

  • @bdel80
    @bdel80 3 года назад +15

    This reminds me of that saying: History is written by the Victors

  • @KiltedCritic
    @KiltedCritic 3 года назад +92

    Ah yes, as close as Voyager got to the Mirror Universe, and Janeway finally acting as she was always written!

    • @mrmrsgamer6938
      @mrmrsgamer6938 3 года назад +14

      I always liked those Insaneway moments

    • @joelellis7035
      @joelellis7035 3 года назад +7

      "Launch assault probes. Fire at will. Hail them." - said so casually that she seemed bored.
      From some other reviews of this episode, I heard that the cast was excited that they could play bad guys for once.

    • @Kainlarsen
      @Kainlarsen 3 года назад +2

      It's like someone gave her the personality of the mad Kirk after the transporter split him into different versions of himself. :D

  • @PeoplecallmeLucifer
    @PeoplecallmeLucifer 3 года назад +27

    As someone from the Balkans .... Show this episode to everyone from the Balkans

    • @juresaiyan
      @juresaiyan 3 года назад +1

      I know exactly what you mean. :)

    • @PeoplecallmeLucifer
      @PeoplecallmeLucifer 3 года назад

      @@majork7115 We're lunatics not idiots. People would understand it.... And probably got pissed off

  • @CaesarBest
    @CaesarBest 3 года назад +35

    I'd love to see a spin-off about the doctor making his way home.

    • @evertonporter7887
      @evertonporter7887 2 года назад

      I wonder if the doctor will show up in Discovery, in the 32nd century....

    • @kargaroc386
      @kargaroc386 Год назад

      I mean, yeah: despite what he says at 3:05, Voyager might actually still exist as a museum ship when this episode takes place. Given that they had a Voyager-J during the same time period.

  • @thelockenbubi7117
    @thelockenbubi7117 3 года назад +165

    I actually really love pretty much 70% of Voyager. 15% are painfully mediocre and 15% are absolutely awful.

    • @chrish281
      @chrish281 3 года назад +23

      The real genius of Voyager was for the later half of the show they decided to put Jeri Ryan
      in a figure hugging uniform so that even the sucky episodes were watchable

    • @matthewwilliams5253
      @matthewwilliams5253 3 года назад +23

      Pretty accurate take on things.
      Star Trek Discovery I would say: loved 0% of it, 10% painfully mediocre, 25% absolutely awful, 65% absolute woke trash.

    • @eviljoshy3402
      @eviljoshy3402 3 года назад +11

      For some reason I got hooked on Voyager first. The original Star Trek was before my time. I saw a few episodes of TNG and DS9 but didn't watch it often. When Voyager came out I guess because I caught the show at the start I ended up watching it all. I remember once a week when it aired my dad and I would be in the living room watching the next episode. Years later when Netflix was invented I caught up on TNG and DS9. I can't watch the original star trek in this day. It looks too old compared to what we have now.

    • @TheReaper569
      @TheReaper569 3 года назад +3

      70% is... A bit too generous

    • @Jar0fMay0
      @Jar0fMay0 3 года назад +6

      @@eviljoshy3402 give the original a shot. It's pretty good but it does feel dated with the sets and costumes.

  • @potterscott06
    @potterscott06 3 года назад +17

    If I was in the PR department of Star Trek, my answer would be the backup module was created because of the problems they had with losing the Dr earlier in the same season

    • @kodahansen8080
      @kodahansen8080 3 года назад

      Maybe with Voyager's current level of technology all it could do was restore faulty data files, but with the centuries of advancement the Kyrians had since then, they could create extrapolate it into a full-fledged hologram of its own.

    • @JakkFrost1
      @JakkFrost1 3 года назад +1

      Exactly. Far easier to make a backup than to create a new one from scratch.

  • @scootertart
    @scootertart 3 года назад +61

    I do like Voyager, yeah some of the earlier seasons were a bit crap but by season four it really got its act together, oh its got the best theme tune of any trek ( ducks for cover) Robert Picardo as the Doctor was always excellent.

    • @Henry-jp3mc
      @Henry-jp3mc 3 года назад +4

      The best opening sequence too 👍

    • @richardrose2606
      @richardrose2606 2 года назад

      @@Henry-jp3mc Absolutely. It made TNG's look like boring 💩.
      (I love the 💩 gigget - 💩 💩 and more 💩.) 💩!

    • @Goodiesfanful
      @Goodiesfanful Год назад +2

      It was the same with TNG and DS9. The first two seasons were a bit crap, but by season 3 they were hitting their stride.

  • @wrightstuf73sw
    @wrightstuf73sw 3 года назад +10

    my fave episode of voyager is the episode called "Blink of an eye" season 6

  • @liamhalliday8437
    @liamhalliday8437 3 года назад +8

    Personally, for me, this is my absolutely favourite episode of any Trek, narrowly beating In The Pale Moonlight.
    I know that might be somewhat controversial, but like ITPM, this is a character piece challenging the easy resolutions. It doesn't have an easy answer, it asks uncomfortable questions and doesn't sugar coat the horrors of their stories. It's just so great.

  • @DeltaAssaultGaming
    @DeltaAssaultGaming 3 года назад +30

    One of the actual good Voyager episodes

    • @stanlee5465
      @stanlee5465 3 года назад +3

      Yeah, I started rewatching Voyager after watching DS9 again, and it feels like most of the episodes are just 'filler'... Lots of people being processed, or stranded somewhere. Too much twilight zone, not enough cool future space science stuff!
      And it was funny that Kess left the series on the SAME episdoe that Seven of Nine became a regular... Guess you can only afford to have 1 hot chick on the cast at once ;) I seem to remember Kate Mulgrew making a joke that she thought she was supposed to be the 'hot chick' :) And I guess Belana didn't count :)

    • @solidoffortitude
      @solidoffortitude 3 года назад +2

      @@stanlee5465 It's funny how people perceive things differently, and how different aspects of the same work attract different minds :) I'm at the end of 1.5 voyage through Star Trek universe (only Enterprise and 2 movies left unwatched) and so far Voyager is my favorite and DS9 is the worst. While I agree with too many fillers, STV and leaset fits into world-to-world canvas of the saga. DS9 however is static, depressing view of endless walls of the installation and filled with never-ending political references. And don't get me started on annoying Prophet and ridiculous portrayal of space travel in solar wind powered canisters (something that Star Wars would do).

    • @Serahpin
      @Serahpin 3 года назад +2

      Kim "Don't you remember? I tried to kill you with the pipe."
      Paris "I remember you saying, 'This is my friend. Nobody touches him.' I'm going to remember that for a long time."

    • @brianbraddock32
      @brianbraddock32 3 года назад

      @@Serahpin
      Other way round but that was an awesome line.

    • @Serahpin
      @Serahpin 3 года назад

      @@brianbraddock32 Fixed and thanks. I was going off of memory.

  • @simplegarak
    @simplegarak 3 года назад +9

    Remember watching this episode live. Considered it one of the best I'd ever seen - and it still holds up. Robert Picardo is a masterful actor.

  • @DanielSan1776
    @DanielSan1776 3 года назад +17

    A solid episode.
    Season 4 has “Year of Hell part 1 & 2” are good episodes
    So is “Message in a Bottle” & “One”
    I still think “The Omega Directive” is the best in the season. One of the best Voyager episodes ever.
    Season 5 was better.
    Episodes 2,3,4,6,9,11,16,19,20,23,24,25
    (9, 11, & 23 are especially great)

  • @justinbailey6515
    @justinbailey6515 3 года назад +4

    Episodes like this helped to teach me about the value of doing my own research and not to just accept things at face value.

  • @notallthatbad
    @notallthatbad 2 года назад +4

    One of my favorite episodes of Voyager. Really clever, thoughtful, and and important reflection on fixating upon a distorted past to justify current horrors.

  • @Natural11001001
    @Natural11001001 3 года назад +17

    Star Trek Picard taught us that post TNG is actually quite racist against non-humanoids. The good (backup) doc probably would have been intercepted before reaching Earth and put to work as a janitor or whatever without anyone caring about his story.

    • @kynikersolon3882
      @kynikersolon3882 3 года назад +16

      What is this Star Trek Picard you speak of? Sounds like bad fan fiction.

    • @gecodo
      @gecodo 3 года назад +9

      what are you talking about, that show never existed

    • @gimmeboobes
      @gimmeboobes 3 года назад +3

      I saw something with Patrick Stewart apologizing to people and going on about DRUMPH! and BREXIT!, but as far as I know, Star Trek ended when Enterprise was cancelled.

    • @looneyburgmusic
      @looneyburgmusic 2 года назад

      Actually, according to the episode, "Backup Doctor" didn't leave for Earth for several hundred years, (at least), meaning it wouldn't be too much of a stretch that he would make it home around the time of Discovery...

    • @looneyburgmusic
      @looneyburgmusic 2 года назад

      @@kynikersolon3882 ST:Picard is one of the two current Live Action CANON Star Trek shows, made with the FULL SUPPORT of the greatest actor to ever appear on any Star Trek show or film - Sir Patrick Stewart.
      In other words, I would love to see one of you Trek haters walk up to Sir Patrick and tell him HIS show is 'bad fan fiction".
      You wouldn't have the balls, and we both know it.

  • @SheldonAdama17
    @SheldonAdama17 3 года назад +16

    I’m willing to forgive the “EMH backup module” continuity flaw just because the ep was so good.

    • @varianschirmer9375
      @varianschirmer9375 3 года назад

      If you can overlook the 38 torpedoes being fired 200 times, the regeneration of shuttles for 7 years, and the crew that stays 140-150 for 7 years without reinforcements.... why not.

    • @SmokeyBCN
      @SmokeyBCN 2 года назад +1

      perhaps a more subtle way would have been to have the Kyrian curator figure out the actual events by himself, maybe through a newly decrypted set of logs.

    • @user-wk5zo7nc8z
      @user-wk5zo7nc8z 2 месяца назад

      Or, its possible they got new ones by trading technology? Color me surprised that ammunition is replenishible via trading!

  • @pxglee
    @pxglee 11 месяцев назад +1

    So true it hit me very hard back then and its so relevant now in these times.....

  • @chrish281
    @chrish281 3 года назад +27

    Oh I LOVE that episode...way before I was "red pilled" (I know cringe)...this episode really got me thinking about history being written by the victor

    • @jameswatsonatheistgamer
      @jameswatsonatheistgamer 3 года назад +7

      Not really cringe.

    • @solidoffortitude
      @solidoffortitude 3 года назад +1

      This is precisely what "hyena of Europe" is doing right now, portraying themselves as an innocent victim in WWII, while erasing all the mentions of their own pogroms and genocide.

    • @TheAutistWhisperer
      @TheAutistWhisperer 3 года назад

      @@solidoffortitude isn't that referring to Poland? What did they do?

    • @RandoUploader3
      @RandoUploader3 3 года назад +2

      In this episode, the victors were heavily implied to be the Vaskans. On the planet, the Vaskans were firmly in charge and allowed privileges forbidden to the Kyrians. The story of the warship Voyager was written by the losers, as a sort of "stab in the back myth", to explain their current situation.

  • @klaustoth6982
    @klaustoth6982 2 года назад +2

    the quiet melancholy that runs through this episode makes it one of the very best of all of voyager. i've watched the series many times on dvd and this very episode is one of my most beloved ones. remember the short sequence when the doctor nearly yearningly recalls the character of b'elanna; that's a beautiful scene.

  • @2bituser569
    @2bituser569 3 года назад +4

    This bad simulation reminds of the bad simulation in the Enterprise finale.
    Trip is not dead.

  • @Funaru
    @Funaru 3 года назад +15

    I thought you were going to say: "This looks like Alex Kurzman Yaneway." ;)

  • @Mineav
    @Mineav 3 года назад +8

    From this lesson: Don't believe in things without evidence. The bigger the claim, the larger the need for evidence to back up that claim. Mere stories don't suffice as a foundation on which to build your entire world view if you care about truth.

    • @Hiraghm
      @Hiraghm 3 года назад +5

      But also, the people of a culture need to believe in their culture and its values enough to not be rocked by seemingly unpleasant truths discovered in time. To borrow from Lindybeige; Nelson had an affair with an ambassador's wife... but he stuffed the French!
      Modern revisionists would relentlessly hammer and promote the idea of the affair and its immorality (hilarious considering their own amorality) and diminish the value of stuffing the French, without actually changing any _facts_ of history... merely their relative importance, and our awareness of them.
      I mean... he stuffed the French!

    • @Mineav
      @Mineav 3 года назад +1

      @@Hiraghm Some great points. There are some big risks of progressing too fast. But as much as religious fundamentalists will resist it, progress is indeed unstoppable. Though I'd like to think that no one who actually really cares about logical truth sincerely believes in silly stories of old and their tall tales.
      I also don't think beliefs in such Harry Potter-esque tall tales necessarily hold anyone to higher ideals. Bad people will rationalize bad behavior, no matter what. There are countless examples of that on all sides. Tons of horrible people and groups used the Bible as a means of rationalizing their terrible behavior when really they just had an irrational fear of different people of different culture and wanted to wipe them out. I see that with a lot of RUclipsr personalities on the right who want to preserve what they see as white culture, including ethno-state boy Sargon. I doubt many of these people actually give a flying quack about religion in any sincere way. They merely adopt it and use it as a battering ram against their lunatic fears. Tim Pool is another. But I digress.

    • @jameswatsonatheistgamer
      @jameswatsonatheistgamer 3 года назад +1

      The god stories being the main one.

    • @jameswatsonatheistgamer
      @jameswatsonatheistgamer 3 года назад +2

      @@Hiraghm Which isn't that hard. They're French.

    • @spacedinosaur8733
      @spacedinosaur8733 3 года назад +3

      @@Mineav Thinking you know why you behave as you do gives you all sorts of excuses for extraordinary behavior. ~ Duncan Idaho - FRANK HERBERT, the Dune saga
      Even hard core atheistic societies like the USSR & China still killed millions in the name of "logical necessity".
      "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one." - Spock (Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan)
      "The needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many." - Kirk (Star Trek III: The Search for Spock)

  • @brandonandreski1709
    @brandonandreski1709 2 года назад +1

    Voyager was my second favorite series, next to TNG of course. This was one of the best episodes they created in all of Star Trek. It paints a poignant picture of the struggle with the past that Germany and Japan have with WWII and the struggle to maintain the past here in the USA. I am quite proud of the UK and its reconcilliation with its Imperial past and even the more conservetive groups accepting the lessons learned from it.

  • @DarkNova50
    @DarkNova50 3 года назад +2

    Evil Janeway and Superintendent Kira would have made one hell of a duo.

  • @elimgarak4667
    @elimgarak4667 3 года назад +2

    This was always in my top 3 of Voyager's episodes. It's one of those they got right... I always loved the Doctor though. He will always be my favorite Voyager character, what a classy EMH.

  • @charlietoole8707
    @charlietoole8707 2 года назад +2

    This episode ranks with the very best of ST and all of sci-fi and all of television!! Robert Picardo is a fantastic talent, criminally underrated. His character travels emotional arcs that Data couldn't and Spock intentionally wouldn't. EMH is a wonderful character and deserves his own spin-off, even now!

  • @Hiraghm
    @Hiraghm 3 года назад +14

    Dave, I'd like your opinion:
    If "Star Trek" can have an alternative timeline, the Kelvin timeline, then couldn't "Star Trek" also have an alternative timeline, and instead of there being "Star Trek: Voyager" there was "Star Trek: Equinox"?
    An alternate, and much more realistic Star Trek tv series based around the adventures of the crew of the Equinox, wherein they weren't painted as the bad guys and didn't meet such an ignominious end?
    That is a Star Trek series I would thoroughly enjoy watching, _if_ and _provided that_ it was properly cast and had non-woke (preferably culturally vintage) writers.
    If Voyager had, or Equinox would, learn from a science fiction book series called "Midshipman's Hope", they could have told some compelling stories.

  • @JessRenee91481
    @JessRenee91481 3 года назад +1

    One of my favorite Voyager episodes

  • @snorgonofborkkad
    @snorgonofborkkad 3 года назад +2

    Yeah, this episode always stuck with me. The Doctor essentially being capable of time travel blew my mind as a kid. Then the whole mirror world and historical revisionism story line. A beautiful achievement for the series.

  • @newsbattery2121
    @newsbattery2121 3 года назад +1

    Just watched the episode. This is the voyager we want, this is the voyager we need!

  • @BillHimmel
    @BillHimmel 3 года назад +1

    One of my favorite episodes!!!

  • @Skybaby79
    @Skybaby79 3 года назад +41

    "Kathryn Janeway was being portrayed as a cold-blooded killer"
    so what's the problem here?

    • @keegobricks9734
      @keegobricks9734 3 года назад +11

      Well technically she wasn't cold-blooded. More like lukewarm-blooded killer. She was somewhat reluctant about laying waste to hundreds of ships throughout the series.

    • @BioGoji-zm5ph
      @BioGoji-zm5ph 3 года назад +4

      @@keegobricks9734 To be fair, she may have become cold-blooded in Threshold, after a mutated Tom Paris turned her into a lizard thing and she laid eggs.

    • @turbofan450
      @turbofan450 3 года назад +1

      @@BioGoji-zm5ph such a dumb episode

    • @trazyntheinfinite9895
      @trazyntheinfinite9895 3 года назад

      @@turbofan450
      especially since it could be avoided if they buffer in the transporter after preparing for it.

    • @Skybaby79
      @Skybaby79 3 года назад +1

      @Connection Lost
      #Justice4Tuvix

  • @smthone
    @smthone 10 месяцев назад +2

    That is the Voyager we would get if Janeway was never able to replicate coffee.

  • @DrHackmoff
    @DrHackmoff 3 года назад +2

    Still cant believe that brannon braga wrote this episode , he always was good with the more light hearted episodes and amazing with stinkers

    • @thesisko3715
      @thesisko3715 3 года назад +1

      I’m shocked too, I agree his writing was usually pretty terrible.

  • @NoPowerintheVerse
    @NoPowerintheVerse 3 года назад +1

    This is one of my favorite episodes of Voyager for the same reason I love every episode of Futurama that looks at what people in the year 3000 think life was like in the 20th century. There's some vague points that are almost right and yet so fundamentally wrong that it makes you (or me at least) question our own view of history. A lot of what we know is from educated guessing and can be influenced by politics and culture of the time. Its interesting because not only could we be incredibly far off but realistically we'll probably never really know what the truth is.

  • @soil-ew2nv
    @soil-ew2nv 3 года назад +1

    I love the final spin of this episode so much. A fitting ending, to be sure.
    Also, don't judge me to harshly...
    but Evil Janeway just does it for me.

  • @Thulebeez
    @Thulebeez 4 месяца назад

    This was the best Voyager episode in line with TNG Yesterday’s enterprise I really enjoyed these types of episodes thought provoking stuff.

  • @skwills1629
    @skwills1629 3 года назад +1

    I Enjoyed This Episode Immensely Myself, as I Have always seen how Historical Revisionism and Twisting Facts is used in Our World. It speaks to me at that Level.

  • @JakkFrost1
    @JakkFrost1 3 года назад +3

    They learned their lesson and made a backup of the Doctor once they got him back. Far easier to make a backup than to create one from scratch.
    Though to be honest, that still begs the question of the Doctor's matrix, the one that started to fail while Kes was still on board, and they had to sacrifice the Doc's diagnostic hologram of Doctor Zimmerman to transplant his matrix into the Doctor.

  • @andysimmons2648
    @andysimmons2648 3 года назад +1

    This probably one of my favourite episodes of Voyager. The plot and how it cleverly portrays revisionist history is only matched by the talent of the actors. Robert Picardo is especially excellent and I’ve always found it moving. It’s certainly more relevant today than when it was written and, ironically, particularly pertinent to modern Star Trek. Thank you for revisiting this episode. And, yes, I’ve often wondered about that version of The Doctor too.
    FYI: I always told myself that they built the EMP backup module because of nearly loosing the Doctor in Message in a Bottle. I mean, they wouldn’t just create a McGuffin for this episode without any thought would they?

  • @zoidberg444
    @zoidberg444 3 года назад +2

    Yeah - This episode had quite the effect on me as a young man. It's something todays writers and producers wouldn't understand.

  • @rseeker1
    @rseeker1 3 года назад +11

    I like how the writers very cleverly setup Seven of Nine's eventual drinking problem in later life and Icheb getting his eyeball ripped out of his head. It's like poetry.

    • @spacedinosaur8733
      @spacedinosaur8733 3 года назад +4

      The only great portrayal of "I have a drinking problem"" come from Airplane!..and it's sequel.

    • @nofutureproductions9242
      @nofutureproductions9242 3 года назад +2

      Yes, an ode to dung.

    • @wkcia
      @wkcia 3 года назад +1

      Let's be fair, if I ended up with someone like Chakotay, I would also develop a drinking problem.

  • @HuntSmacker
    @HuntSmacker 3 года назад +1

    "The crew weren't psychotic."
    Heh heh heh. Had a good chuckle at that one :P

  • @ghostofpambo6266
    @ghostofpambo6266 3 года назад

    I just watched this episode and yes, its pretty damn good. I can see why this is could be considered the best of Voyager. Those uniforms with the black tunic looked bad-assed.

  • @ianmc87
    @ianmc87 3 года назад +1

    I wasn't a big fan of Voyager when it first aired in the 1990s. I didn't hate it but I never really got into it. So I missed a lot of episodes. I'm glad now that I did. Now I get to watch Voyager as if its a new ST series and so much better than Picard or STD.

  • @luchomscyfy
    @luchomscyfy 3 года назад +1

    This episode is excellent. No need of big explosions or stabbing. Just acting, and a nice script.

    • @hanniffydinn6019
      @hanniffydinn6019 3 года назад

      That’s what Star Trek always was ! 🤯🤯🤯

  • @ColeHalford
    @ColeHalford Год назад +1

    This is my favorite episode

  • @anwarshahaddat3412
    @anwarshahaddat3412 3 года назад +5

    the days when star trek could do an episode about revisionist history.....and do a damn good job of it

  • @patrickf.4440
    @patrickf.4440 3 года назад +1

    A timely analysis of a good episode. We are still trying to come to terms with the pasts of our countries. Truth (as far as we can accurately determine it) is ultimately the most important goal, followed closely by a reasonable contemporary perspective on that truth. Meaning, of course, that if our forefathers (or whatever gender-neutral term one feels good with) were imperfect vessels, that does not necessarily make everything they did back then wrong.
    Pat, in Chicago

  • @willdogg01
    @willdogg01 3 года назад +1

    I loved this episode. Thanks for featuring it!

  • @donnyboon2896
    @donnyboon2896 3 года назад +1

    One of my favorite episodes also.

  • @stipe3124
    @stipe3124 3 года назад +1

    Good old Star Trek that actually made people think about episodes and what they mean

  • @armi999
    @armi999 2 года назад

    I watched all of Voyager while it was originally airing and this is definatly the standout episode I remember the most.

  • @SmokeyBCN
    @SmokeyBCN 2 года назад

    this episode is a gleaming jewel sandwiched between 3 incredibly dull episodes in either direction. its message still resonates today, and will likely continue to do so until we sort ourselves out as a global society.

  • @Success4u247
    @Success4u247 3 года назад

    I agree .and have always followed ST all the way back to the 70s

  • @shahnjake8140
    @shahnjake8140 3 года назад +1

    Love this episode, the voyager cast playing evil versions of themselves was very funny, fantastic writing...

  • @Its__Good
    @Its__Good 3 года назад

    Ultimately it's about how people from different cultures can eventually come together to form cohesive societies - once they are willing to accept the damage they have done to each other in the past, and how those event still impact their present.

  • @ainternet239
    @ainternet239 3 года назад +47

    Voyager was an odd series - hours and hours of garbage interspersed with stellar episodes like this one, which is one of my favorites.

    • @TheReaper569
      @TheReaper569 3 года назад +2

      Totally agree

    • @Henry-jp3mc
      @Henry-jp3mc 3 года назад +7

      I'd disagree. Voyager was my favourite ST. I'd happily take a poor season 8 over anything Alex Kurtzman produces.

    • @juresaiyan
      @juresaiyan 3 года назад +1

      @@Henry-jp3mc I agree with you. Underrated series. I love it just as much as the others.

    • @TheReaper569
      @TheReaper569 3 года назад

      @Connection Lost what's that

    • @jamesbizs
      @jamesbizs 3 года назад

      @@juresaiyan You can love it as much as the others, that’s fine. But loving it more than the others? That’s going to far isn’t it

  • @zaxophne
    @zaxophne 3 года назад +6

    I'm just shocked that the Federation wouldn't have made it to that part of the Galaxy in 700 years...

    • @RVoogt
      @RVoogt 3 года назад

      you never know what kind of enemy they encountered after the Borg, Dominion, etc.

    • @piotrd.4850
      @piotrd.4850 3 года назад

      They further they go, the thinner they spread....

    • @zaxophne
      @zaxophne 3 года назад

      Yeah it's not like they'd get new members and resources...

  • @Goodiesfanful
    @Goodiesfanful Год назад

    Voyager had no mirror episode, but this episode, "Worse Case Scenario" and "Author, Author" are the next best thing. The writers showed great imagination in how they came up with episodes where our heroes portrayed villainous versions of themselves without using the mirror universe. There was also "Live Fast and Prosper", where an imposter played a villainous Janeway.

  • @DekeRadio
    @DekeRadio 3 года назад

    Voyager was my gateway into Star Trek, and I will always have an enormous place in my heart for the series.

  • @thethoughtcriminal8786
    @thethoughtcriminal8786 3 года назад

    This was a gem of an episode.

  • @RitzyBusiness
    @RitzyBusiness Год назад

    This is one of my all time favorite trek episodes, I will be thinking about this one for a long time. Kinda hope to see this potential backup of the doctor in a later season of discovery. Making it back to federation space.

  • @JackyTheBatty
    @JackyTheBatty 18 дней назад

    Your videos are awesome and thought provoking Dave. Keep up the good work.

  • @jenniferstewarts4851
    @jenniferstewarts4851 3 года назад

    EMH backup modual took the place of the EMH Repair program. When they patched the doctor with the graft. the EMH repair modual was blanked, and the doctors program was moved into the backup modual.

  • @Markus-c3n
    @Markus-c3n Год назад

    Don't know if that episode is the very best of Voyager, but it's definitely in the top 5 - and introducing someone who doesn't know the show and is willing to like it, I could imagine taking this masterpiece as a good starter.

  • @NolanHawkeyeAnthony
    @NolanHawkeyeAnthony 5 месяцев назад

    You’re right, this is a great episode

  • @allengorecki2792
    @allengorecki2792 Год назад

    Out of all of the episodes that were put on in the 7 year run of star trek voyager this is one I really love to death It literally takes the crew of the voyager and put them Alternate ways of them being And I have to say they pulled it off extremely good I love this episode and I would rate it at least 8 in my top 10 of voyager

  • @rackfocus8299
    @rackfocus8299 3 года назад +1

    a brilliant review. Thank you

  • @jamiethomas18
    @jamiethomas18 3 года назад

    So good to hear positive reviews of the great Star Trek that was made years ago, because let's be honest there has been no good Star Trek since 2005.
    Thanks for your retrospective discussion this great episode.
    I hope you do more TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT reviews.

  • @aureliustratos3268
    @aureliustratos3268 3 года назад

    this is one of the best episodes. Daves and voyagers. it is more relevant today as it ever was. i need to rewatch this.

  • @nickpond9337
    @nickpond9337 6 месяцев назад

    Great EP ~ story , Thank You for showing this ;

  • @WraithCustomsFirearms
    @WraithCustomsFirearms 3 года назад +2

    Voyager has a Pez dispenser for shuttlecraft lol. I mean c'mon, they lost tons of shuttles, yet they always had plenty. Still my favorite Star Trek

    • @Serahpin
      @Serahpin 3 года назад +4

      Don't they have an industrial replicator for creating ship parts and, when necessary, entire shuttlecraft in one of the cargo bays? As long as they have energy, they can maintain the ship. One of the reasons why they rationed replicator usage was to maintain energy levels for critical systems.

  • @TheBest-sd2qf
    @TheBest-sd2qf 3 года назад

    These actors are brilliant, amazing how they can completely change character

  • @WilliamTheMovieFan
    @WilliamTheMovieFan Год назад

    Voyager had some really great episodes that dealt with very dark themes. The episode, Death Wish, dealt with a suicidal Q, and the episode, Tuvix, dealt with the difficult decision to kill one person to save two other people.

  • @misomiso8228
    @misomiso8228 3 года назад

    Season 4 had the best Arc - from Seven deciding to give humanity a chance, to the final episode when she wants to go back then changes her mind.
    Season 5 and 7 also had great episodes though.

  • @evertonporter7887
    @evertonporter7887 3 года назад +1

    I've watched this episode twice... and it reminds me of B5s 4th season finale The Deconstruction Of Falling Stars, especially the third act.

  • @edfur8196
    @edfur8196 Год назад

    This is comment 667, one of the best episodes of voyager. I truly believe this is history as we know it particularly where it concerns the world wars.

  • @wickidpissafilms
    @wickidpissafilms 3 года назад +1

    Love this episode 💓

  • @SonofthePhantom
    @SonofthePhantom 3 года назад +1

    Always liked this episode, some great lines.

  • @jasonschlierman412
    @jasonschlierman412 3 года назад

    Agreed, this was a solid episode.

  • @GKHTS
    @GKHTS 3 года назад +1

    It never made sense that there wasn't a backup so this actually did.

  • @Bopperann
    @Bopperann 3 года назад +9

    Voyager got young me into Star Trek, and I fell in love with all of it, even DS9 (Cisco's honey voice.)
    I did not like the new movies and I HATE the new shit they have released recently.
    Least I can watch them before the world nose dives completely into Orwell's 1984 where I'll be thrown down the memory hole with Star Trek.

    • @retluoc
      @retluoc 3 года назад +2

      You have to watch Dave's review of Star Trek Beyond. I couldn't stand that one myself, and Dave just tears into it mercilessly!
      Warning, it is TV-MA, it's not like his professional recordings, it is very casual. But if you don't mind that, I promise you won't stop laughing.

  • @Numerber1Musican
    @Numerber1Musican 2 года назад

    This would have made for a very interesting 2 part or 3 part series finale. Knowing the Voyager crew was lost forever and we see it happen. They never made it back home and the Doctor was the only one left to tell the story, even to these people. The fact he gets on a shuttle craft at the end and makes the long journey home by himself would be dramatic.

  • @TheAdam159
    @TheAdam159 3 года назад

    one of Voyager's best episodes. By a long shot

  • @Highfrequencydj
    @Highfrequencydj 3 года назад +1

    Please review more of your favourite episodes from TNG, DS9 and Voyager....they’re great to watch!

  • @Agelis
    @Agelis Год назад

    Episodes like this must be so much fun to make, gives everyone a chance to twirl their moustaches :D