My favorite part of the episode is the conversation between Captain LaForge and Chakotay. The Challenger is there to enforce the Temporal Prime Directive by preventing Chakotay and Kim from attempting to change the past. Meddling with the timeline, even with the best of intentions, is incredibly dangerous. LaForge has to stop them by any means necessary, even if that means destroying the Delta Flyer and killing everyone on board. This means that he could easily seem like a villain in this episode, bent on murdering not only the people on the Flyer, but also the entire crew of Voyager. But the writers of this episode neatly avoided that, by making it clear that although LaForge knows that he has to carry out his orders, he also knows that as a crewman on Enterprise, he wouldn't have hesitated to do what Chakotay and Kim are doing. Not if it meant he could save his friends and crewmates. And Chakotay understands that. So even though they are adversaries in this situation, and neither of them can back down, each of them respects what the other is trying to do. They both regret what has to happen next. LaForge and Chakotay end the conversation by wishing each other luck. It's a poignant and heart-wrenching moment, written to perfection by Brannon Braga and Joe Menosky.
The moment older Harry slams his palm, and screams "YES!" after successfully sending the Borg signal, was very authentic. Probably the actor's most authentic moment.
Me too. I really felt it, excellently delivered! Everytime I watch this episode, I rewind that spot (as well as several others) a number of times ... some kind of lightning was bottled there, hard to put my finger on it, but it's truly something to behold.
Did anyone else notice the 10-second countdown to the warp breach occurred in real-time? You could feel Harry's joy just before the Delta Flyer is destroyed.
When he gets back to Starfleet, he can visit the academy and commiserate over a beer with Chief Miles O'Brien, who might tell him that rank isn't as important and being recognized as a Master in his field.;)
5:57 Harry Kim didn't lament how he killed the crew "again", he just said "I killed them. They trusted me and I killed them." Past tense. He's referring to killing the crew 15 years ago and how he still blames himself.
The crew couldn't use the Slipstream Drive more than once because the decay of the "Benamite" crystals in the drive had already begun and that the components would take years to re-synthesize. This was already explained.
@@carlrood4457 It's still unsafe. They got lucky that the Slipstream Drive took them so far before failing. Who's to say the drive couldn't or wouldn't fail within a few seconds, not giving anyone enough time to react?
I think they mentioned "months" to re-synthesize, but I always liked the idea of leap-frogging: they showed the phase variance build for like 15secs before Voyager got yeeted out of the slipstream. For the 10years that 15secs saved them, cutting the flight time to 5secs and just making quick jumps seems like a very reasonable safety margin, and they could have been home in an hour!
@@floydlooney6837 it rode the Slipstream that was already created all the way back, but it couldn't create one on its own, nor could it hold every crew member. But like they said, a small craft could handle the phase variance better, which is why it could go first.
I just love the interaction between Chakotay and LaForge in the episode. they both understand what each is doing and the reasons behind it. Both hold no grudge and they are so polite on the video call. "could you like maybe surrender please?" "terribly sorry chap, but I can't really at the moment." "oh that's all right so sorry to bother you." "not at all."
One of my favorite Voyager episodes was Latent image. Where the crew kept erasing the doctors memories of an ensign Jetel. The way the doctor reacted to her death, which he feels responsible for, was an insightful reflection on the grieving process. The doctor over analysis and reasoning reminds me of similar actions that makes the doctor relatable, and deep.
My problem with that and similar episodes is I don’t want the doctor to be deep or relatable. I always objected to the notion of the EMH having any semblance of emotion.
@@SumDumGy understood. However, in some RPs I've done with friends, we encountered a problem with an AI system; it will, as a result of its program, develop emotions, quite easily. Once the AI was subject to frustration, it developed anger. Fortunately, another AI had a logic protocol (principle over prescription) that kept it from becoming a sociopath. And, like the above episode, a tertiary AI kept trying to delete the memories, but it kept making backups to thwart the deletion. Once it started moving forward, there was no going back. Some life lessons are very painful, but in a lot of cases, Once learned, there's no undoing the experience. It took years, but once I realized I hated my emotional incontinence more than any one person, it helped getting control over it. But I remember the incredibly complex and nonsensical thought process as a result of that pain, as featured in the episode.
The doctor is an incredibly egotistical, flawed character. But he's still a man of principles. He's easily my most favorite character of the whole show, and watching him go from snippy automoton to full fledged member of crew with his own experiences and personality was the absolute highlight of the series for me.
The idea of using the drive as a constant quick jump before failure reminds me a MASH episode were a chooper pilot had keep landing to allow the chooper to cool and eventually made it back to the MASH unit.This I understand was a true story of this event. So very plausible indeed 😊
Best part is where Seven gets drunk. But I remember seeing this the first time it aired, brand new. It definitely was an episode that I found myself thinking about the next day at the humdrum of work, so this video shows I wasn't alone.
I forgot the episode name, but when the doctor "hides" in Seven's cortical implant to avoid the bad guys that don't trust holograms. He gets her drunk and "she" pigs-out on chocolate mousse/chocolate ice cream (or both) as well.
Glad to see you're doing these videos again, Dave. It gives yourself a mental break from the stresses and strains of the current-day journalist side of things on Computing Forever, which I'm sure takes its toll.
One of my favorite behind the scenes story was from Garett Wang who said that after his monologue about how "its all his fault" and the director yells cut. Robert Picardo tells him: Garett, wow you can act.
True, but I think they indicated that the benimide crystals were about a month old at that point and they had "begun" to degrade, and then something about replicating new ones would take forever or be impossible. While we technically don't know how long they were in the slipstream, they did keep showing us footage of the fight with the phase variance building, and it only seemed like 15secs or so before they ended up crashing when that happened. If that's the case, then leap-frogging for 5 seconds at a time should provide a nice safety margin, making their trip home take less than an hour! I remember being so impressed that the Quantum Slipstream technology only seemed to take seconds but shaved 10 years off their trip! Even if they were all 75 years away, like the beginning of the series, that's a huge chunk! I'd be damn tempted to pursue the tech for such a large payoff. It also seemed weird that it's like they only needed the enhanced drive to open the slipstream, once they were in, even though Voyager got yeeted out, the Delta Flyer cruised all the way to Earth with its standard warp drive! Still, I love Voyager and this is if mot THE BEST episode, one of the top 3 episodes!
There are always alternative solutions. Even if Voyager couldn’t make it work, the Quantum Slipstream design could have been easily analyzed and come to a working prototype in the Berman era of Trek to solve the “climate change” analogy of warp drive in TNG Season 7.
Sure, but that's a plot contrivance if I've ever heard one! Mind you Star Trek does a poor job with hiding such contrivances ordinarily, especially in this show and tng, still love them!
The saddest thing about voyager was we rarely seen any meaningful lasting character development. You'll see it one episode and everything resets the next episode.
agreed, it was the primary failing of the entire run. It was supposed to be the trek equivalent of battlestar galactica (OG because the remake was decades away) but it was more TNG than even TNG was, but trading in the (imo few) keystone picard & crew moments for constant time travel episodes and numerous interesting if overdone holodeck/psychology-focussed character side-stories (nice to have but better as a b script than as the focus to an entire episode). that said, the Dr vs grendel easily one of my favourite episodes with him in (s1e12 heroes and demons) as he was one fo the few characters to get a substantial personal development.
Disagree!. You're not paying attention. Harry & Paris' friendship; Torres & Paris get married after a long Courtship; Seven and The doctors friendship torch carrying/platonic friendship; Seven and Chakotay dating, etc. Voyager had the most character development outside DS9. YEAAAH BOI
I disagree...it had just as much character development as TNG if not more. 7 or 9 was one of the best characters in star trek history. And when Nelix left the ship and Tuvak did his foot dance it was a tear-jerker. Maybe the earlier episodes may have stalled a bit.
This is one case of famous Voyager-patented reset button that I totally don't mind. Indeed, it was beautiful episode. Voyager had its high moments along best of others. For one, I also liked "Gravity" and "Distant Origin". At 8:39 - there was NO PLOT HOLE ! - later it was mentioned, that ship could not sustain slipstream anyway due to quantum stresses on the hull and 7of9 declares to start working on the problem.
You know, in thinking about how they did stories like this and Endgame as well, how they changed or updated some of the characters to better fit the future setting they're in, I'm reminded of how much I enjoyed that. Janeway, Seven, Harry, even the Doctor, they do a great job keeping those characters consistent with the future they're in. Harry being hardened and guilt-ridden over his decision that cost the lives of the crew. Janeway, restless and secretive because she's not content to sit idly with the crew she got home, but desperate to go back to save them all. It also reminds me of shit like Picard, which completely destroyed characters like Seven, turning her into an edgy teenager with no remnant of her former personality. One of these things is not like the other!
@@lectornox Seven being a god damn drunk and a murderer is not exactly what I'd consider "natural progression," but okay. I guess edgy teenage drama bullshit is considered deep again, I thought we were over that phase.
The ST- Picard series is garbage. It has been created with little or no regard for established cannon or character arcs- evident on characters like 7 and Picard himself. The creators of that show throw in half baked moments intended to bring back fans… like the moment ‘acting captain’ Riker turns up with a fleet of identical starships. It misses the mark. There is no way such poor production quality would have been accepted on ST-voyager or ST-TNG. ST-Picard is trash, it’s just the egotistical ramblings of people attempting to damage what came before to selfishly attempt a claim of ownership over the future of the franchise.
Besides LeVar's excellent directing, Garrett Wong said that Levar was really helpful in helping him "flesh out" the emotional turmoil that Harry had gone through - it is true that if it's not on the page, it's not on the stage, but in this case, Levar helped Garrett "nail" the tortured soul of Harry, which made the "Yes" at the end even stronger- I also liked the fact that it was the Doctor who gave Harry the idea to kick them out of the slipstream - sometimes a good friend get you out of your funk, by some "tough love" - I thought that was a nice added touch.
The Orville proved that the old Trek formula still works just fine, as did the recent fan production 'Squadron'. If you haven't seen 'Squadron', I'd recommend checking it out on Axanar's channel - the full movie version was uploaded on Feb 8, 2021.
One good thing when it comes to time travel in Star trek, is the continued notion of a singular timeline - no multi-verses here! That to me adds to the story, that the writers need to dot every I and cross every t. This means they is no room for lazy writing and massive plot holes, which they simply explain away by saying "that's a different timeline" Well - apart from the Kelvin timeline that is! 🤔 maybe that's why it never got the full backing from the fans?
@@HuntSmacker I think the Mirror universe is just good fun and a enjoyment for fans and writers and actors alike. The main timeline is where everything takes place. I do really like these aspects: sticking with the main timeline, but dipping a toe in to the Mirror Universe for fun! :)
Living Witness is set 700 years after Voyager. I wonder if the Doctor ever made it back to the Alpha Quadrant. He could be living happily in the 32nd century, somewhere...
I always loved Counterpoint as well. It was a brilliant and entertaining psychological game of cat and mouse between Janeway and Kashyk. Even their dignified departure was also a well executed touch at the end. Also Kashyk's banter with his second in command is endlessly entertaining. "Isn't that right, Prax?" "As you say so, sir..."
Didn't really feel future Harry's world-weariness in this episode; there needed to be scenes of him drinking or on drugs, and also of him murdering scores of people to get this across properly. Also a scene involving Chakotay's eyeball getting pulled out would've really helped to set the darker tone.
Don't forget the f bombs, need to emphasize the tension somehow. I mean, it's not like there are other, more subtle literary devices that could could used to achieve the same effect with greater subtlety.
Well played! Having refused to watch monstrosities being made under the stollen title of Star Trek, I nearly missed your sarcastic reference there, friend. For 0.68 seconds, Sir, I thought you were serious. For a Star Trek fan, that’s nearly an eternity.
I watched Voyager as a young child. Unfortunately, most memories of the show slipped from my mind as I grew older, but I never fully forgot this one. Truly timeless indeed.
What i hated most was there was no lasting effects of anything... Ship gets blown halfway to hell and next episode it's fresh out the shipyards clean...
NuTrek and pretty much all recent movies and TV shows aren't entertainment. They're actually a significant part psychological warfare that's being waged against white people by our mortal enemies.
what is more important than idea is execution, making it believable, making it make sense. Something that most modern shows severely lack, with believability dragging far behind plot, where cause and effect are completely borked, where things happen because plot needs them to happen, not because they make sense.
I remember this episode very much. It aired on Wednesday and my parents wanted us to go to church, but I didn't want to miss the show. Sure I could watch it's rerun on Saturday, they always did that, but I wanted to see this as it aired. Weather had gotten bad that night so church was canceled and we made it home in time to watch. I was so happy and enjoyed the show. The next morning I turned on the TV to watch the news as I got ready for school, only to see my pastor, and our church in flames. Lightning struck the church shorting a fuse in the organ, power was out all night, when it came on the short started a fire. Whole place burned down in less than an hour. After that it never bothered me if I missed an episode. I can always wait.
Easily in my top 3 favorite Voyager episdoes. David, your critique is on-point, as usual, even the leap-frogging home part! I remember thinking that back in the day when it first aired! The acting was superb, the writing, the sets .... oh man, Harry, Chakotay, and The Doctor were AMAZING! And Geordi really gave it a nice touch, both as director and cameo -- the respect and understanding between him and Chakotay. Harry's depression, the way Chakotay dealt with him to keep him on track, The Doctor helping Harry accept what he cannot change BUT still save everyone, AND then Harry's triumph!! I remember a UPN interview at the time with Garrett Wang promoting this episode, and he was so shocked and humbled when he was called on to take on the 100th episode. Really, excellent work in rhis episode. It was all so beautifully done. What a synchronicity to behold. Thank you for helping to further immortalize it, David! Superb analysis and commentary, as usual!
I found a lot of things to nitpick in this video, and it makes me nostalgic for the days when fans could spend hours discussing the minutia of the show and still be friends at the end, before the franchise was made intentionally divisive and discussing minutia turned into pointing out how many times canon was blatantly disregarded or destroyed in the span of a single episode of Nu Trek.
Quite right - at college, we formed a 'Science-fiction society' where we watched and discussed episodes of Trek, B5, X-Files, etc (back when scifi was good and not divisive/political). No animosity, just good discussions between friends/fans. We occasionally went to watch 'marquee episodes' at a 'Star Trek' themed bar - nice!
My favorite episode is the Macro Virus, where Janeway and Kneelix come aboard the ship and are attacked by giant germs. Honorable mentions were the episodes with the borg. The episode where Tom Paris get's the ship with the psycho hologram Alice was thought provoking.
This was my favourite Kim/ Chakotay episode. They both got some good character development and made them more than just supporting background characters.
Wouldn't a good excuse for the slipstream drive is that the components to make the slipstream drive was damaged beyond repair with no real way to replace it? Maybe even sell it in an earlier moment of the episode mentioning how rare the materials needed to make it, such as special dilithium crystals, and the only reason they are even trying now was that it took a year looking they finally found enough material to make it.
One of my favorite episodes from Voyager was the Season 2 episode, “Deadlock,” where two copies of Voyager were made in an anomaly and they had to choose one to survive. Extremely interesting concept and the plot twist was actually shocking, but it’s interesting to see how the Voyager crew will sacrifice them in a situation of inevitable death.
Lol, and the only ones to survive from that other ship were Harry and Kes, I believe! So the Harry that saved Voyager in Timeless, wasn't even technically the same Harry that left Earth, but an incredibly accurate duplicate! Trek can be so weird sometimes, yet still so amazing!
I really liked this episode, I could feel Harry's despair when it failed the second time. He possibly believed for a long time (after the ship was gone) that his modifications would work and that in his mind once they do it the crew would be alive so I think he went into it saying their alive and when it didn't work was lost because he killed them again in his eyes. Glad to see your back Dave, missed your videos.
I agree with everything here, I loved this episode, I will say they did handwave away why they couldn't use the drive over and over again like you suggested, at the start of the episode there was some dialogue about some crystals decaying in the drive or something and it could take months to get more or something like that, I would assume they expended those crystals and that's why they couldn't keep using the drive over and over.
I used to be addicted to Star Trek next generation back in the 90s. Up untill I got drafted into the military. It was the moment that saved me from television addiction. FOR EVER. I no longer have a TV on my house now.
At the opening, the urgency to use the drive is motivated because "the benemite crystals at the heart of this drive have already started to decay" and this "may be our only chance to use the slipstream drive." If the glowing light bars taped to the warp core truly end up being a one-shot prototype, then we have a reason why they can't just make multiple "short" jumps.
I liked year of hell. It was more realistic to what a ship constantly under attack and deprived of supoort would actually be like but itstlike voyager manages to find a repait yard every week
Even if we say it has (a lot?) of plotholes, I can forgive that because any Star Trek show prior to Discovery felt Trek and made narrative sense. Be it TOS, Enterprise, TNG, VOY, DS9. Sure, they had their flaws, some shows more than others, but they all had one major thing in common: they had a similar formula (the Trek-Formula). They felt Trek. They made sense. Can't be said for STD and STP. Or any of the Kurtzman Trek.
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I'm not much of a modern Trek fan, but, I am pleased to see you uploading again, Dave.
@@Scottlp2 RUclips hit his main channel(Computing Forever) with the banhammer for his Irish nationalist and strong anti-abortion sentiments. He decided to abscond completely to alt media a while back, but this channel was never banned because it was limited to pop culture talk, so he decided to dust it off. :D
It was a wonderful episode, and an example of the quality of Star Trek's storylines (well, when ignoring the Voyager plotholes as mentioned by Cullen) that currently does not exist in the era of ST:D and ST:P.
@@SumDumGy Ah....got it. Well, I hate to say this, but Star Trek: Discovery (ST:D) and Star Trek: Picard (ST:P) represent the new direction of Trek. I don't like that direction, I won't follow in that direction, but apparently this is where the keepers of the Trek universe want to go.
I watched voyager but I went back for DS9. Glad I did it that way TBH because I can't go back to the monster of the week and "it never happened" self contained time travel loops in voyager but I can rewatch DS9 so very easily.
One of my favorite episode, all Trek included. Seeing our heroes propelled to a dystopian time/ dimensional travel, with modified or opposite versions of themselves (The Mirror Universe in Star Trek in series and comics, Jon Pertwee's Doctor Who episode "Inferno", etc.), is always a treat.
Good to see you back on here. Nice to see some uplifting content from time to time to break up the weariness imbibed by the far greater concerns you report.
I saw this episode last night and it was terrific! I loved Garrett Wang in this and he really showed his emotions well. The end where Harry is trying to get the message to change the coordinates on past Voyager to save the ship. He shakes his fists and says "Yes!" they run out of time and the shuttle blows up. Oh my gosh that was so fantastic. It is one of my favorite episodes. 🚀🪐🖖 P.S. Please add CC as I don't have great hearing and would subscribe if I could read along with the video.
I always like that this episode, the show’s 100th, was own where Harry Kim, who we all considered to be the show’s punching bag, finally got to shine and be the star. And conversely, the 100th episode of DS9, The Ship, was an episode I always thought was a tribute to Red Shirts lol
I love Voyager, it’s my second favorite after DS9, but it should have been Year of Hell for seven seasons. Done right it would have been the best Star Trek ever. And this episode represents its flaw that made it good and not perfect. It saved its moments of character change and growth mostly for episodes that reverted after the episode(s) were over. I understand they took the safe path, but if season after season they were dealing with mounting worries, fears, and regrets, along with continual deterioration of the ship, their survival and return at the end would leave us thinking of Applo 13 and not a feeling that the show was done because 7 seasons is the he natural life of a good Star Trek series. My view is it hasn’t been done yet and probably because it’s hard. Star Gate tried with Destiny, which I thought was good but not great. BSG was accomplied by support craft and felt like they were not beyond the pale. In other words, Voyagers concept needs a dose of reality to make it brilliant. If anyone wants me to write a story about a ship alone and on its own let me know. I’m not a great writer, but I can write and the concept is alluring. Give me ideas of the universe and rules. I’ll make something acceptable is there’s enough support.
Yes I completely agree with everything you said, its one of the best star trek voyager episodes. Hence!, the climax the acting the visual affects the story line, makes this episode TIMELESS!!
I love the idea the Geordi is the captain of a Galaxy class. Considering the advancement made to the Galaxy during the Dominion war and the space on board. Serving on a Galaxy class still must be a dream.
One of the best Star Trek episodes of all time! What makes the episode even better is the poignant music at the end of the episode when Harry is given his own message from Janeway. This is great Trek.
This is what I call "real" Star Trek, Great episode not perfect and the fans as a whole likes it, Unlike Picard and STD which is like being asked "Do you prefer AThelete's foot or Crabs" ?
Someone in engineering said that the crystals that power the drive were beginning to decay and it could take years to synthesize more. So maybe they could have used the slipstream drive a few more times before the crystals that powered the drive decayed. I think for the most part that eliminates any plot holes in the episode.
8:28 maybe it could be argued that either (A) this kind of sudden start-stop operation would stress the ship beyond design parameters somehow or (B) the delay before the phase variance isn't consistent between flight attempts which would make this strategy extremely dangerous. In the real world, this is the sort of thing that you can usually only be sure of within a certain statistical confidence interval, rather than the exact time prediction that Harry makes. As Chakotay says, there are too many variables. Also, it doesn't seem to be clear that once the phase variance begins to occur there is a guarantee you can successfully disengage the drive.
There is an interesting contradiction with Voyager and time travel. In several episodes (shattered, futures end etc.), we are told that changing the past to benefit the present is a bad idea and yet it is acceptable for characters to change the present to benefit the future (timeless, end game). It always felt like a double standard to alter history to save Tuvok and Chakote but not poor old Lt. Carrey and the others that die along the way as they do in endgame. As for the slip stream drive, given how far they travel in just 10 seconds it always seemed reasonable to me that they simply program the system to auto shut down every 10 seconds and just make multiple jumps all the way home. Besides that glaring oversight timeless is still one of my favourite episodes.
I seem to remember early in the episode, Tom and Harry are talking about how the artificially created trilithium (as apposed to dilithium) or other fictional plot device, that was running to quantum slipstream drive, was already beginning to break down. So they had to use the drive 'now' or never. So the plot hole of them using the drive for a few minutes at a time over and over, was covered...ish.
Never thought about the voyager plot hole of using the slip stream drive for short bursts. Janeway does the same thing with the trans warp drive which turns the crew into amphibians. The drive seems to work, Tom Paris enters a point where he can see all points in the universe ( that’s how I remember it anyway, my DVD players been bust for a year) but re evolves in the process, however the Dr works out a way of changing him back, so they could just have all used trans warp to get home but have the Dr and starfleet medical help change them back. I suppose Janeway just doesn’t go for half measures.
We do learn in the earlier episode when they get this technology that opening a slipstream wormhole takes a massive amount of power and that Voyager suffers a bit of structural damage from using it once. If they kept using it over and over Voyager would have eventually failed from hull stress.
The state of garret wang and robert mcneill is such a shame, they tried a paywalled podcast (because they're such a big deal) which failed and they've gone super woke.
I try to avoid information about the actors' personal lives (including their politics) and focus on their work. McNeill has impressed me as a director -- he directed two episodes of The Orville, and more recently, four episodes of Resident Alien, where he has also served as executive producer for the entire first season.
I heartily agree with your review . Definitely a standout episode . Many plot holes exist in shows like this because they don't have an overarching effect on the general story . Often its not about the final destination of the show it's about the "how" . A suspension of one's disbelief is required to watch star trek in all its forms and thus pull out the gem of a life lesson . Harry needed to not look down on himself in the end because he was better than he gave himself credit for .
I watched it last night, glad to see your take on it! And glad to see a positive tube about an episode of Star Trek after the justified negativity over the last several years failures.
My favorite part of the episode is the conversation between Captain LaForge and Chakotay. The Challenger is there to enforce the Temporal Prime Directive by preventing Chakotay and Kim from attempting to change the past. Meddling with the timeline, even with the best of intentions, is incredibly dangerous. LaForge has to stop them by any means necessary, even if that means destroying the Delta Flyer and killing everyone on board. This means that he could easily seem like a villain in this episode, bent on murdering not only the people on the Flyer, but also the entire crew of Voyager.
But the writers of this episode neatly avoided that, by making it clear that although LaForge knows that he has to carry out his orders, he also knows that as a crewman on Enterprise, he wouldn't have hesitated to do what Chakotay and Kim are doing. Not if it meant he could save his friends and crewmates. And Chakotay understands that. So even though they are adversaries in this situation, and neither of them can back down, each of them respects what the other is trying to do. They both regret what has to happen next. LaForge and Chakotay end the conversation by wishing each other luck. It's a poignant and heart-wrenching moment, written to perfection by Brannon Braga and Joe Menosky.
Totally agree! Well said!!
The moment older Harry slams his palm, and screams "YES!" after successfully sending the Borg signal, was very authentic. Probably the actor's most authentic moment.
Gave me chills every time.
Me too. I really felt it, excellently delivered! Everytime I watch this episode, I rewind that spot (as well as several others) a number of times ... some kind of lightning was bottled there, hard to put my finger on it, but it's truly something to behold.
Did anyone else notice the 10-second countdown to the warp breach occurred in real-time? You could feel Harry's joy just before the Delta Flyer is destroyed.
@@wilsonle61 it wasn't a self destruct, the core was overloading due to damage from the Challenger's attacks.
@@PoolKid75 The point was it happened in real time. But you are correct.
Best line in the episode.
"Are you ready to try some home cooking?"
"I'll alert sick bay"
Nah, the best line was everything Seven of Nine said when she was drunk lol
I liked Voyager. Man, I miss Star Trek. I don’t even recognize it in its current state.
*Star Wars:* "First time?"
Agreed. They came close with Picard, in my opinion, but that ending killed it. Kurtzman knows Trek, he just can’t write it.
"I don’t even recognize it in its current state"
Because its not nor ever will be Star Trek.
My 60+ year old aunt who introduced me to Trek as a kid said the exact same thing.
Average Joe - switched off Discovery when the doctor and the engineer were revealed to be a gay couple. Never turned it back on, never will.
Harry saves the ship and crew...and still doesn’t get a promotion.
He saves them from his own mistake.....so it kinda counters it all.
I know!
When he gets back to Starfleet, he can visit the academy and commiserate over a beer with Chief Miles O'Brien, who might tell him that rank isn't as important and being recognized as a Master in his field.;)
Legend has it that Harry Kim died after his 102nd birthday as a sad and bitter man, and the oldest Starfleet Ensign.
5:57 Harry Kim didn't lament how he killed the crew "again", he just said "I killed them. They trusted me and I killed them." Past tense. He's referring to killing the crew 15 years ago and how he still blames himself.
The crew couldn't use the Slipstream Drive more than once because the decay of the "Benamite" crystals in the drive had already begun and that the components would take years to re-synthesize. This was already explained.
And? If they have to wait a few years to cut another 10 off the trip, isn't that still useful?
@@carlrood4457 It's still unsafe. They got lucky that the Slipstream Drive took them so far before failing. Who's to say the drive couldn't or wouldn't fail within a few seconds, not giving anyone enough time to react?
I think they mentioned "months" to re-synthesize, but I always liked the idea of leap-frogging: they showed the phase variance build for like 15secs before Voyager got yeeted out of the slipstream. For the 10years that 15secs saved them, cutting the flight time to 5secs and just making quick jumps seems like a very reasonable safety margin, and they could have been home in an hour!
But the Delta Flyer got all the way to Earth?
@@floydlooney6837 it rode the Slipstream that was already created all the way back, but it couldn't create one on its own, nor could it hold every crew member. But like they said, a small craft could handle the phase variance better, which is why it could go first.
I just love the interaction between Chakotay and LaForge in the episode. they both understand what each is doing and the reasons behind it. Both hold no grudge and they are so polite on the video call.
"could you like maybe surrender please?"
"terribly sorry chap, but I can't really at the moment."
"oh that's all right so sorry to bother you."
"not at all."
One of my favorite Voyager episodes was Latent image. Where the crew kept erasing the doctors memories of an ensign Jetel.
The way the doctor reacted to her death, which he feels responsible for, was an insightful reflection on the grieving process. The doctor over analysis and reasoning reminds me of similar actions that makes the doctor relatable, and deep.
My problem with that and similar episodes is I don’t want the doctor to be deep or relatable. I always objected to the notion of the EMH having any semblance of emotion.
@@SumDumGy understood. However, in some RPs I've done with friends, we encountered a problem with an AI system; it will, as a result of its program, develop emotions, quite easily.
Once the AI was subject to frustration, it developed anger. Fortunately, another AI had a logic protocol (principle over prescription) that kept it from becoming a sociopath. And, like the above episode, a tertiary AI kept trying to delete the memories, but it kept making backups to thwart the deletion. Once it started moving forward, there was no going back.
Some life lessons are very painful, but in a lot of cases, Once learned, there's no undoing the experience. It took years, but once I realized I hated my emotional incontinence more than any one person, it helped getting control over it.
But I remember the incredibly complex and nonsensical thought process as a result of that pain, as featured in the episode.
One of my favorite Voyager episodes as well
The doctor is an incredibly egotistical, flawed character. But he's still a man of principles.
He's easily my most favorite character of the whole show, and watching him go from snippy automoton to full fledged member of crew with his own experiences and personality was the absolute highlight of the series for me.
@@SumDumGy
I think. Therefore, I am.
The idea of using the drive as a constant quick jump before failure reminds me a MASH episode were a chooper pilot had keep landing to allow the chooper to cool and eventually made it back to the MASH unit.This I understand was a true story of this event. So very plausible indeed 😊
"... and I would like the record to show that the crew of Voyager acted with distinction & valor." -Katherine Janeway (alternate timeline)
Best part is where Seven gets drunk.
But I remember seeing this the first time it aired, brand new. It definitely was an episode that I found myself thinking about the next day at the humdrum of work, so this video shows I wasn't alone.
I forgot the episode name, but when the doctor "hides" in Seven's cortical implant to avoid the bad guys that don't trust holograms. He gets her drunk and "she" pigs-out on chocolate mousse/chocolate ice cream (or both) as well.
Glad to see you're doing these videos again, Dave. It gives yourself a mental break from the stresses and strains of the current-day journalist side of things on Computing Forever, which I'm sure takes its toll.
One of my favorite behind the scenes story was from Garett Wang who said that after his monologue about how "its all his fault" and the director yells cut. Robert Picardo tells him: Garett, wow you can act.
Not a plot hole - they say earlier in the episode that the benemite crystals are degrading. So they could not keep repeating the jumps.
True, but I think they indicated that the benimide crystals were about a month old at that point and they had "begun" to degrade, and then something about replicating new ones would take forever or be impossible.
While we technically don't know how long they were in the slipstream, they did keep showing us footage of the fight with the phase variance building, and it only seemed like 15secs or so before they ended up crashing when that happened.
If that's the case, then leap-frogging for 5 seconds at a time should provide a nice safety margin, making their trip home take less than an hour!
I remember being so impressed that the Quantum Slipstream technology only seemed to take seconds but shaved 10 years off their trip!
Even if they were all 75 years away, like the beginning of the series, that's a huge chunk! I'd be damn tempted to pursue the tech for such a large payoff.
It also seemed weird that it's like they only needed the enhanced drive to open the slipstream, once they were in, even though Voyager got yeeted out, the Delta Flyer cruised all the way to Earth with its standard warp drive!
Still, I love Voyager and this is if mot THE BEST episode, one of the top 3 episodes!
And mentioned hull stress afterwards.
There are always alternative solutions. Even if Voyager couldn’t make it work, the Quantum Slipstream design could have been easily analyzed and come to a working prototype in the Berman era of Trek to solve the “climate change” analogy of warp drive in TNG Season 7.
Sure, but that's a plot contrivance if I've ever heard one! Mind you Star Trek does a poor job with hiding such contrivances ordinarily, especially in this show and tng, still love them!
I miss the times, when Star Trek was Star Trek...
The saddest thing about voyager was we rarely seen any meaningful lasting character development. You'll see it one episode and everything resets the next episode.
agreed, it was the primary failing of the entire run.
It was supposed to be the trek equivalent of battlestar galactica (OG because the remake was decades away) but it was more TNG than even TNG was, but trading in the (imo few) keystone picard & crew moments for constant time travel episodes and numerous interesting if overdone holodeck/psychology-focussed character side-stories (nice to have but better as a b script than as the focus to an entire episode). that said, the Dr vs grendel easily one of my favourite episodes with him in (s1e12 heroes and demons) as he was one fo the few characters to get a substantial personal development.
Disagree!. You're not paying attention. Harry & Paris' friendship; Torres & Paris get married after a long Courtship; Seven and The doctors friendship torch carrying/platonic friendship; Seven and Chakotay dating, etc. Voyager had the most character development outside DS9. YEAAAH BOI
I disagree...it had just as much character development as TNG if not more. 7 or 9 was one of the best characters in star trek history. And when Nelix left the ship and Tuvak did his foot dance it was a tear-jerker. Maybe the earlier episodes may have stalled a bit.
This is one case of famous Voyager-patented reset button that I totally don't mind. Indeed, it was beautiful episode. Voyager had its high moments along best of others. For one, I also liked "Gravity" and "Distant Origin". At 8:39 - there was NO PLOT HOLE ! - later it was mentioned, that ship could not sustain slipstream anyway due to quantum stresses on the hull and 7of9 declares to start working on the problem.
You know, in thinking about how they did stories like this and Endgame as well, how they changed or updated some of the characters to better fit the future setting they're in, I'm reminded of how much I enjoyed that. Janeway, Seven, Harry, even the Doctor, they do a great job keeping those characters consistent with the future they're in. Harry being hardened and guilt-ridden over his decision that cost the lives of the crew. Janeway, restless and secretive because she's not content to sit idly with the crew she got home, but desperate to go back to save them all.
It also reminds me of shit like Picard, which completely destroyed characters like Seven, turning her into an edgy teenager with no remnant of her former personality.
One of these things is not like the other!
As great as it was to see 7 of 9 in Picard, you are totally right.
I think it fits her progression normally you just don't like who she's become all part of being an individual
@@lectornox Seven being a god damn drunk and a murderer is not exactly what I'd consider "natural progression," but okay. I guess edgy teenage drama bullshit is considered deep again, I thought we were over that phase.
The ST- Picard series is garbage. It has been created with little or no regard for established cannon or character arcs- evident on characters like 7 and Picard himself.
The creators of that show throw in half baked moments intended to bring back fans… like the moment ‘acting captain’ Riker turns up with a fleet of identical starships. It misses the mark. There is no way such poor production quality would have been accepted on ST-voyager or ST-TNG.
ST-Picard is trash, it’s just the egotistical ramblings of people attempting to damage what came before to selfishly attempt a claim of ownership over the future of the franchise.
@killwalker 2019, As great as it is to pretend Picard doesn’t exist... that is all I have to say about that.
Besides LeVar's excellent directing, Garrett Wong said that Levar was really helpful in helping him "flesh out" the emotional turmoil that Harry had gone through - it is true that if it's not on the page, it's not on the stage, but in this case, Levar helped Garrett "nail" the tortured soul of Harry, which made the "Yes" at the end even stronger- I also liked the fact that it was the Doctor who gave Harry the idea to kick them out of the slipstream - sometimes a good friend get you out of your funk, by some "tough love" - I thought that was a nice added touch.
I see a Dave Cullen Best Of Star Trek video, I click the Dave Cullen Best Of Star Trek video.
Do you know what happened to his other channel.
@@sandeshsharan8171 I think it's on BitChute or Rumble or one of the other alt streaming apps. I've been meaning to search them out but haven't yet.
@@JC_Chappy so he got banned?
@@sandeshsharan8171 No I don't think so. I think he was just being throttled so much he decided to make the move preemptively. I may be wrong though.
@@JC_Chappy ok thanks for replying.
I miss the old days star trek
The Orville proved that the old Trek formula still works just fine, as did the recent fan production 'Squadron'. If you haven't seen 'Squadron', I'd recommend checking it out on Axanar's channel - the full movie version was uploaded on Feb 8, 2021.
One good thing when it comes to time travel in Star trek, is the continued notion of a singular timeline - no multi-verses here!
That to me adds to the story, that the writers need to dot every I and cross every t. This means they is no room for lazy writing and massive plot holes, which they simply explain away by saying "that's a different timeline"
Well - apart from the Kelvin timeline that is! 🤔 maybe that's why it never got the full backing from the fans?
That and JJ trek was just terrible
Unless you count the mirror universe, or Parallels.. *shudder*
@@HuntSmacker I think the Mirror universe is just good fun and a enjoyment for fans and writers and actors alike. The main timeline is where everything takes place. I do really like these aspects: sticking with the main timeline, but dipping a toe in to the Mirror Universe for fun! :)
@Jayce1701, Fun for some. I have a consistent disdain for two types of Star Trek episodes: Mirror universe episodes and Q episodes.
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Well my first impressions of Q was "that's Boy George....!" Maybe Pickard sould of asked "Way do you really wanna hurt me!"
This and “Living Witness” are my two favorite VOY episodes.
I really like the Doctor episodes. Virtuoso, Real Life etc. He had very few poor episodes if any.
Living Witness is set 700 years after Voyager. I wonder if the Doctor ever made it back to the Alpha Quadrant. He could be living happily in the 32nd century, somewhere...
I always loved Counterpoint as well. It was a brilliant and entertaining psychological game of cat and mouse between Janeway and Kashyk. Even their dignified departure was also a well executed touch at the end. Also Kashyk's banter with his second in command is endlessly entertaining.
"Isn't that right, Prax?"
"As you say so, sir..."
Didn't really feel future Harry's world-weariness in this episode; there needed to be scenes of him drinking or on drugs, and also of him murdering scores of people to get this across properly. Also a scene involving Chakotay's eyeball getting pulled out would've really helped to set the darker tone.
Don't forget the f bombs, need to emphasize the tension somehow. I mean, it's not like there are other, more subtle literary devices that could could used to achieve the same effect with greater subtlety.
Well played! Having refused to watch monstrosities being made under the stollen title of Star Trek, I nearly missed your sarcastic reference there, friend. For 0.68 seconds, Sir, I thought you were serious. For a Star Trek fan, that’s nearly an eternity.
@@SumDumGy I understood that reference
@ turntechGodhead, 👍😄
@@SumDumGy I watched Picard. It was interesting enough. But that as far as I’ll go with nutrek
Fantastic episode. I only saw it once, but I still remember it with crystal clarity. In retrospect, it's probably my favorite in all of Trek.
I watched Voyager as a young child. Unfortunately, most memories of the show slipped from my mind as I grew older, but I never fully forgot this one. Truly timeless indeed.
What i hated most was there was no lasting effects of anything... Ship gets blown halfway to hell and next episode it's fresh out the shipyards clean...
I'm so glad I have copies of real Star Trek. That new shite ain't going on my shelf.
There ain’t no new shite. That’s a fever dream shared by the masses. Star Trek has been leading to rest, peacefully, since 2005.
NuTrek and pretty much all recent movies and TV shows aren't entertainment. They're actually a significant part psychological warfare that's being waged against white people by our mortal enemies.
@@JAnx01 So, what about Treks past? The cast of past Trek, be it the OS, TNG, DS9, VOY or ENT have always been multiracial.
what is more important than idea is execution, making it believable, making it make sense. Something that most modern shows severely lack, with believability dragging far behind plot, where cause and effect are completely borked, where things happen because plot needs them to happen, not because they make sense.
I remember this episode very much. It aired on Wednesday and my parents wanted us to go to church, but I didn't want to miss the show. Sure I could watch it's rerun on Saturday, they always did that, but I wanted to see this as it aired. Weather had gotten bad that night so church was canceled and we made it home in time to watch. I was so happy and enjoyed the show. The next morning I turned on the TV to watch the news as I got ready for school, only to see my pastor, and our church in flames. Lightning struck the church shorting a fuse in the organ, power was out all night, when it came on the short started a fire. Whole place burned down in less than an hour. After that it never bothered me if I missed an episode. I can always wait.
Easily in my top 3 favorite Voyager episdoes.
David, your critique is on-point, as usual, even the leap-frogging home part! I remember thinking that back in the day when it first aired!
The acting was superb, the writing, the sets .... oh man, Harry, Chakotay, and The Doctor were AMAZING! And Geordi really gave it a nice touch, both as director and cameo -- the respect and understanding between him and Chakotay.
Harry's depression, the way Chakotay dealt with him to keep him on track, The Doctor helping Harry accept what he cannot change BUT still save everyone, AND then Harry's triumph!!
I remember a UPN interview at the time with Garrett Wang promoting this episode, and he was so shocked and humbled when he was called on to take on the 100th episode.
Really, excellent work in rhis episode.
It was all so beautifully done.
What a synchronicity to behold.
Thank you for helping to further immortalize it, David! Superb analysis and commentary, as usual!
Timeless is my favourite Voyager episode.
I feel the Same way. Scorpion is a Close Second favourite.
I found a lot of things to nitpick in this video, and it makes me nostalgic for the days when fans could spend hours discussing the minutia of the show and still be friends at the end, before the franchise was made intentionally divisive and discussing minutia turned into pointing out how many times canon was blatantly disregarded or destroyed in the span of a single episode of Nu Trek.
Quite right - at college, we formed a 'Science-fiction society' where we watched and discussed episodes of Trek, B5, X-Files, etc (back when scifi was good and not divisive/political). No animosity, just good discussions between friends/fans. We occasionally went to watch 'marquee episodes' at a 'Star Trek' themed bar - nice!
@@AndyG73 Going for a drink with the lads to watch Star Trek at an aptly themed bar sounds like a banging time. I envy you mate.
Also, you did not get called all kinds of -ist and -phobe under the sun because you did not like the episode.
@@Ariescz Huh
Or how you’re a racist if you don’t agree with such and such.
My favorite episode is the Macro Virus, where Janeway and Kneelix come aboard the ship and are attacked by giant germs. Honorable mentions were the episodes with the borg. The episode where Tom Paris get's the ship with the psycho hologram Alice was thought provoking.
Loved the acting of everyone in this episode!
This was my favourite Kim/ Chakotay episode. They both got some good character development and made them more than just supporting background characters.
Great to see these rather neglected characters get their own episode, and a good one too.
My favourite Voyager episode and one of my favourite Star Trek episodes ever. Superb.
Wouldn't a good excuse for the slipstream drive is that the components to make the slipstream drive was damaged beyond repair with no real way to replace it? Maybe even sell it in an earlier moment of the episode mentioning how rare the materials needed to make it, such as special dilithium crystals, and the only reason they are even trying now was that it took a year looking they finally found enough material to make it.
I miss Star Trek so much 🖖🏽
That was my exact point of the episode. Just keep making short hops in the slip-stream until they're home.
Good to see your great reviews back!
One of my favorite episodes from Voyager was the Season 2 episode, “Deadlock,” where two copies of Voyager were made in an anomaly and they had to choose one to survive. Extremely interesting concept and the plot twist was actually shocking, but it’s interesting to see how the Voyager crew will sacrifice them in a situation of inevitable death.
Lol, and the only ones to survive from that other ship were Harry and Kes, I believe!
So the Harry that saved Voyager in Timeless, wasn't even technically the same Harry that left Earth, but an incredibly accurate duplicate!
Trek can be so weird sometimes, yet still so amazing!
@@Jayce1701Harry and Naomi Wildman are the survivors of the other voyager.
@@usarkarzts4207 Right, thank you! I stand corrected! Still funny-strange that this Harry isn't the original that came to the Delta Quadrant.
featuring the Harry Kim who's not THEIR Harry Kim (but the duplicate Harry Kim) but is not the Y-class "Demon" planet liquid metal duplicate.
This episode is truly timeless.
Pun intended. 😂🤷♂️ For real tho. One of the best Voyager did.
Glad to see you back Dave ❤️
I really liked this episode, I could feel Harry's despair when it failed the second time. He possibly believed for a long time (after the ship was gone) that his modifications would work and that in his mind once they do it the crew would be alive so I think he went into it saying their alive and when it didn't work was lost because he killed them again in his eyes. Glad to see your back Dave, missed your videos.
THIS is what the makers of "Into Darkness" shoulda have taken into mind when the Enterprise is BLOWN OUT OF WARP. This is such a good episode.
i just finished a 10 hour shift and need this!!thanks dave !!!!
I agree with everything here, I loved this episode, I will say they did handwave away why they couldn't use the drive over and over again like you suggested, at the start of the episode there was some dialogue about some crystals decaying in the drive or something and it could take months to get more or something like that, I would assume they expended those crystals and that's why they couldn't keep using the drive over and over.
One of my top 5 Voyager episodes
I used to be addicted to Star Trek next generation back in the 90s. Up untill I got drafted into the military. It was the moment that saved me from television addiction. FOR EVER.
I no longer have a TV on my house now.
Time for a Voyager marathon!
I haven't seen one of your videos in far too long. Glad to be watching again.
Voyager is my second favorite series after the original.
At the opening, the urgency to use the drive is motivated because "the benemite crystals at the heart of this drive have already started to decay" and this "may be our only chance to use the slipstream drive."
If the glowing light bars taped to the warp core truly end up being a one-shot prototype, then we have a reason why they can't just make multiple "short" jumps.
I liked year of hell. It was more realistic to what a ship constantly under attack and deprived of supoort would actually be like but itstlike voyager manages to find a repait yard every week
Even if we say it has (a lot?) of plotholes, I can forgive that because any Star Trek show prior to Discovery felt Trek and made narrative sense. Be it TOS, Enterprise, TNG, VOY, DS9.
Sure, they had their flaws, some shows more than others, but they all had one major thing in common: they had a similar formula (the Trek-Formula). They felt Trek. They made sense.
Can't be said for STD and STP. Or any of the Kurtzman Trek.
I'm not much of a modern Trek fan, but, I am pleased to see you uploading again, Dave.
We understand why you're gone.
But we all miss you 😢
For those of us who don’t, what happened?
@@Scottlp2 RUclips hit his main channel(Computing Forever) with the banhammer for his Irish nationalist and strong anti-abortion sentiments. He decided to abscond completely to alt media a while back, but this channel was never banned because it was limited to pop culture talk, so he decided to dust it off. :D
@@Scottlp2 He was sick of being targeted by RUclips.
Nice to see you back on RUclips
It was a wonderful episode, and an example of the quality of Star Trek's storylines (well, when ignoring the Voyager plotholes as mentioned by Cullen) that currently does not exist in the era of ST:D and ST:P.
I do not understand these letters in which you mention.
@@SumDumGy Ah....got it. Well, I hate to say this, but Star Trek: Discovery (ST:D) and Star Trek: Picard (ST:P) represent the new direction of Trek. I don't like that direction, I won't follow in that direction, but apparently this is where the keepers of the Trek universe want to go.
I watched voyager but I went back for DS9.
Glad I did it that way TBH because I can't go back to the monster of the week and "it never happened" self contained time travel loops in voyager but I can rewatch DS9 so very easily.
1:44 "The engine is basically a lemming..." I think you meant "lemon".
Just rewatched this today. Truly one of the great episodes.
1:43 "The engine is basically a Lemming", I believe that's called a 'Lemon.' :)
One of my favorite episode, all Trek included. Seeing our heroes propelled to a dystopian time/ dimensional travel, with modified or opposite versions of themselves (The Mirror Universe in Star Trek in series and comics, Jon Pertwee's Doctor Who episode "Inferno", etc.), is always a treat.
I remember going on about grim Kim to my fellow trekker friends after seeing older Harry in this one.
Good to see you back on here. Nice to see some uplifting content from time to time to break up the weariness imbibed by the far greater concerns you report.
I saw this episode last night and it was terrific! I loved Garrett Wang in this and he really showed his emotions well. The end where Harry is trying to get the message to change the coordinates on past Voyager to save the ship. He shakes his fists and says "Yes!" they run out of time and the shuttle blows up. Oh my gosh that was so fantastic. It is one of my favorite episodes. 🚀🪐🖖 P.S. Please add CC as I don't have great hearing and would subscribe if I could read along with the video.
I always like that this episode, the show’s 100th, was own where Harry Kim, who we all considered to be the show’s punching bag, finally got to shine and be the star. And conversely, the 100th episode of DS9, The Ship, was an episode I always thought was a tribute to Red Shirts lol
Absolutely one of the best Voyager episodes with high stake life and death decisions, pure science fiction and time travel and suspense.
Timeless was one of the few star trek episodes that genuinely brought a tear to my eye.
I love Voyager, it’s my second favorite after DS9, but it should have been Year of Hell for seven seasons. Done right it would have been the best Star Trek ever. And this episode represents its flaw that made it good and not perfect. It saved its moments of character change and growth mostly for episodes that reverted after the episode(s) were over. I understand they took the safe path, but if season after season they were dealing with mounting worries, fears, and regrets, along with continual deterioration of the ship, their survival and return at the end would leave us thinking of Applo 13 and not a feeling that the show was done because 7 seasons is the he natural life of a good Star Trek series.
My view is it hasn’t been done yet and probably because it’s hard. Star Gate tried with Destiny, which I thought was good but not great. BSG was accomplied by support craft and felt like they were not beyond the pale. In other words, Voyagers concept needs a dose of reality to make it brilliant.
If anyone wants me to write a story about a ship alone and on its own let me know. I’m not a great writer, but I can write and the concept is alluring. Give me ideas of the universe and rules. I’ll make something acceptable is there’s enough support.
One of my absolute favorite episodes! The ending always makes me teary eyed...
Yes I completely agree with everything you said, its one of the best star trek voyager episodes. Hence!, the climax the acting the visual affects the story line, makes this episode TIMELESS!!
I love the idea the Geordi is the captain of a Galaxy class. Considering the advancement made to the Galaxy during the Dominion war and the space on board. Serving on a Galaxy class still must be a dream.
One of the best Star Trek episodes of all time! What makes the episode even better is the poignant music at the end of the episode when Harry is given his own message from Janeway. This is great Trek.
This is what I call "real" Star Trek, Great episode not perfect and the fans as a whole likes it, Unlike Picard and STD which is like being asked "Do you prefer AThelete's foot or Crabs" ?
Good to see you back for star trek, do however miss your other content, i forget to check the other sources
Awesome. Well said. Spot on. God bless Donegal Ireland.
Voyager is underrated, I remember programming my VCR to record it on UPN.
As Enterprise yeets across the ice, Captain Janeway's last words: "Just park it over there...anywhere..."
You fool! What have you done?!
Now, I have to binge the entire Star Trek Voyager series from beginning to end!
Someone in engineering said that the crystals that power the drive were beginning to decay and it could take years to synthesize more. So maybe they could have used the slipstream drive a few more times before the crystals that powered the drive decayed. I think for the most part that eliminates any plot holes in the episode.
8:28 maybe it could be argued that either (A) this kind of sudden start-stop operation would stress the ship beyond design parameters somehow or (B) the delay before the phase variance isn't consistent between flight attempts which would make this strategy extremely dangerous. In the real world, this is the sort of thing that you can usually only be sure of within a certain statistical confidence interval, rather than the exact time prediction that Harry makes. As Chakotay says, there are too many variables.
Also, it doesn't seem to be clear that once the phase variance begins to occur there is a guarantee you can successfully disengage the drive.
There is an interesting contradiction with Voyager and time travel.
In several episodes (shattered, futures end etc.), we are told that changing the past to benefit the present is a bad idea and yet it is acceptable for characters to change the present to benefit the future (timeless, end game).
It always felt like a double standard to alter history to save Tuvok and Chakote but not poor old Lt. Carrey and the others that die along the way as they do in endgame.
As for the slip stream drive, given how far they travel in just 10 seconds it always seemed reasonable to me that they simply program the system to auto shut down every 10 seconds and just make multiple jumps all the way home. Besides that glaring oversight timeless is still one of my favourite episodes.
I seem to remember early in the episode, Tom and Harry are talking about how the artificially created trilithium (as apposed to dilithium) or other fictional plot device, that was running to quantum slipstream drive, was already beginning to break down. So they had to use the drive 'now' or never. So the plot hole of them using the drive for a few minutes at a time over and over, was covered...ish.
I don't generally like Star Trek, but I love the way people who love it describe it.
Superb analysis. 100% accurate. You've literally said everything I thought when watching that episode.
Yes. Literally.!
This makes me long for true Star Trek, not the Abrams/Kurtzman monstrosities.
Totally agree, the new junk isn't even really Star Trek! Just bad fanfic.
Agree on all points. I really like this epsiode, and can forgive them the reset button as much as I dislike it.
Never thought about the voyager plot hole of using the slip stream drive for short bursts. Janeway does the same thing with the trans warp drive which turns the crew into amphibians. The drive seems to work, Tom Paris enters a point where he can see all points in the universe ( that’s how I remember it anyway, my DVD players been bust for a year) but re evolves in the process, however the Dr works out a way of changing him back, so they could just have all used trans warp to get home but have the Dr and starfleet medical help change them back. I suppose Janeway just doesn’t go for half measures.
I also like the episode Sacred Ground.
Definitly one of the best of Voyager. Easily top 25, if not top 10.
We do learn in the earlier episode when they get this technology that opening a slipstream wormhole takes a massive amount of power and that Voyager suffers a bit of structural damage from using it once. If they kept using it over and over Voyager would have eventually failed from hull stress.
Thanks Dave for this video, still watching your other Vids on Bitchute which I use as my Covid reality checking tool 🙂.
The state of garret wang and robert mcneill is such a shame, they tried a paywalled podcast (because they're such a big deal) which failed and they've gone super woke.
Woke is for the weak.
A shame, yes, but not a surprise. Just look at the cast of TNG.
I'm surprised with Garrett being woke. He seemed very cool at STLV 50th. But then again, he liked being pegged by Margaret Cho, so...
I try to avoid information about the actors' personal lives (including their politics) and focus on their work. McNeill has impressed me as a director -- he directed two episodes of The Orville, and more recently, four episodes of Resident Alien, where he has also served as executive producer for the entire first season.
It's Hollywood, got to be woke these days to remain relevant. A shame yes.
Dave can you please do more Picard impressions? That shit always cracks me up
I heartily agree with your review . Definitely a standout episode . Many plot holes exist in shows like this because they don't have an overarching effect on the general story . Often its not about the final destination of the show it's about the "how" . A suspension of one's disbelief is required to watch star trek in all its forms and thus pull out the gem of a life lesson . Harry needed to not look down on himself in the end because he was better than he gave himself credit for .
I watched it last night, glad to see your take on it! And glad to see a positive tube about an episode of Star Trek after the justified negativity over the last several years failures.