This completely BLEW MY MIND. Totally trying this out next time I get a few amps to play with! Also please go into a little more detail, I’d LOVE to see how you really put this all together cause those are easily my favorite raw guitar tones I’ve ever heard
Man that is really nuts. I’m listening through my phone and I could hear the drastic difference, especially on that orange. This is a great video. I love this kind of eye-opening content. Great job brother.🤘🏻🤘🏻
Your imploding logo at the beginning of your videos is the most awesome I have ever seen in my 50+ years. Ever. Anywhere. I come here just for that, and then stay and learn shit.
It would make sense as the leads pass through the cone, that may be the heaviest and slowest part of the cone to react to the amped signal. I kove the sound of the EV 12-L, but the ported voice coil can make it difficult to record because there is a transfer of air through the vented pole piece, so cone edge is about as goos as it gets! It really is an art.
Yo buddy! Watching this for the third time and I don't know how I missed it but I wanted you to know it's ok about the hardcore band because I was in a nu-metal band man. Nothing can be worse than that! hahahahaha
@@RecordingStudioLoser Poor Wayne, RIP! The way I look at is that the late 90's and early 2000's was like one large kettle of weird. Everyone has SOME kind of regret from then. It's all forgiven hahahaha.
I tried to link it at the time. But RUclips’s puts limits on what you can link to before your official a RUclips partner. I’ll try to go back once I’m approved and change it.
Also "goo" side sounds different than left side, right side, and down side. Tolerance is so loose with speakers that 2 speakers made the same day sound WAY different even if made one after the other. The drum "goo" principal does not correlate. Drum "goo" is dampening for the WHOLE head. Try the same experiment again but sides that are left and right of the "goo". Now you have 2 more sounds to choose from.
For a moment I showed the tracks I had done. I created close to 400 tracks in testing. Different speaker, speaker side, cable, and amp combos. I was showing in the video the easiest distinction. The midpoints (between the goo and non goo side) on at least Celestions and Webers were pretty consistent and were typically a mix of those goo and opposing side tones. The other speakers had less predictable results. Drums I have to disagree there. The sound varies drastically depending where you place a moon gel. Often I’ll cut them up and lay them out symmetrically for that reason. Because they do not seem to affect the entire head.
If I may humbly offer some advice, don't run your sound through sonarworks for us as we're not in your room - I thought some of the sound was a little off and it's probably because I'm running correction on my Headphones after your room correction has also happened! Great tip though I can't wait to try it out myself!
I know there was one video I did the routing wrong that may have been this one. I normally set it up on a separate ox so what you all are hearing on the video is not my monitor chain
Actually man, I went back and watched it after your comment. You can see the "listen" track above the Master. That is the feed are hearing, which is before my sonorworks. I describe that at the end of the video. So you are hearing an untreated feed. I send it out "A 13-14" Into my video recorder. So this one is fine. Somewhere out there I think there is a video where i did make that mistake. However it wasn't tonally focused so I didn't take it down.
Why oh why don't we mic amps/cabs like we listen to them...from two to three feet away? No one sticks their head against a cab with their ear in front of a speaker cone.
In most situations, there will be too many room reflections captured like this. If the room is very well treated and dead this can be possible and a lot of old recordings were done a foot or more away (back then it was because engineers were afraid to damage their fancy tube condenser and ribbon mics).
We definitely do. We use room mics! If everything in a mix sounded distant we wouldn’t really like it. No one listens to a vocal from two inches away. No one listens to kick drum from inside...
@@RecordingStudioLoser I'm just talking about a foot or two...not a room mic. I have found that giving that mic a little breathing room helps tame the fizziness of high gain amps/cabs. And by the way, I've recorded many a drum kit with overheads, a close mic on snare and a kick mic (usually a ribbon) placed two to three feet in front of the kick. Gotten some killer drum recordings that way. But to each his own. Carry on.
I totally agree with you and I’ve done the same. I wouldn’t mic and mix a metal band the same way I do Jazz trios, or indie acoustic.... we still have to take into account what the artist vision is and what that market likes to digest. Cheers.
extreme coolage! bro... you are on fire! amen! replication is the hallmark of good science. where do scientists fail mostly?! trying to replicate their findings :)
Free drum samples to the first person to guess what bass I used. (you'll never guess)
Old Silver Tone
Ubass
P-Bass
Upright Bass
Pitch-shifted electric guitar
FINALLY someone other than Nolly mentions this. I love this trick.
I don’t know why more people don’t talk about it!
This might be the best video you’ve created. The enthusiasm about sharing something you’ve learned is contagious.
This completely BLEW MY MIND. Totally trying this out next time I get a few amps to play with! Also please go into a little more detail, I’d LOVE to see how you really put this all together cause those are easily my favorite raw guitar tones I’ve ever heard
Man that is really nuts. I’m listening through my phone and I could hear the drastic difference, especially on that orange. This is a great video. I love this kind of eye-opening content. Great job brother.🤘🏻🤘🏻
Thanks man! It was eye opening for me at the time!
Your imploding logo at the beginning of your videos is the most awesome I have ever seen in my 50+ years. Ever. Anywhere. I come here just for that, and then stay and learn shit.
😂 Your welcome.
That's some good sounding guitars. Will definitely give this a try...
This channel is gold man!
Thanks!
It would make sense as the leads pass through the cone, that may be the heaviest and slowest part of the cone to react to the amped signal. I kove the sound of the EV 12-L, but the ported voice coil can make it difficult to record because there is a transfer of air through the vented pole piece, so cone edge is about as goos as it gets! It really is an art.
Great stuff, the difference is huge!
that fascinating. gonna try this today. great video!
Did it work?
Brilliant and insightful, as always!
Thanks man!
great content man! I was just wondering what kind of camera you used here for the video?
I use the Canon EOS R. With a sigma 18-35 1.8 ! Love it.
Theres an affiliate link to it in the description
Very cool and interesting! Thanks, man.
Could you do a video showing your guitar cab recording set up, 7:21 The Dog House!?!
I would... but since the renovation I dont have it anymore!
@@RecordingStudioLoser no worries! Do you have something similar for recording guitar cabs now or are they out in the open in your live room instead?
Since I have more space they are either open in the room or in unused iso rooms
definitely less hi end on the goo side, but a bit more of a hi-mid resonance, right?
Could you make an impulse response of that Orange L speaker with the goo? It sounds incredible!!
I’ll try to make one this week!
@@RecordingStudioLoser GOO IR's KTHANKS
quite remarkable
Great idea!
You could have done an eq match between different versions, for visually depicting the difference easily :)
I pull up a fab filter EQ with layover doing just that in some spots.
@@RecordingStudioLoser Ohh yes
Yo buddy! Watching this for the third time and I don't know how I missed it but I wanted you to know it's ok about the hardcore band because I was in a nu-metal band man. Nothing can be worse than that! hahahahaha
Nu metal 4 life. Static x made me want to buy glue to spike my hair.
@@RecordingStudioLoser Poor Wayne, RIP! The way I look at is that the late 90's and early 2000's was like one large kettle of weird. Everyone has SOME kind of regret from then. It's all forgiven hahahaha.
Cool! which GGD video is it that is mentioned?
I tried to link it at the time. But RUclips’s puts limits on what you can link to before your official a RUclips partner. I’ll try to go back once I’m approved and change it.
More like recording studio WINNER
Haha thanks
Also "goo" side sounds different than left side, right side, and down side. Tolerance is so loose with speakers that 2 speakers made the same day sound WAY different even if made one after the other. The drum "goo" principal does not correlate. Drum "goo" is dampening for the WHOLE head. Try the same experiment again but sides that are left and right of the "goo". Now you have 2 more sounds to choose from.
For a moment I showed the tracks I had done. I created close to 400 tracks in testing. Different speaker, speaker side, cable, and amp combos.
I was showing in the video the easiest distinction. The midpoints (between the goo and non goo side) on at least Celestions and Webers were pretty consistent and were typically a mix of those goo and opposing side tones. The other speakers had less predictable results.
Drums I have to disagree there. The sound varies drastically depending where you place a moon gel. Often I’ll cut them up and lay them out symmetrically for that reason. Because they do not seem to affect the entire head.
DUDE!!
Anyone else here because actual professionals compare with reamped performances?
here I thought I was being lazy. That would be a lot of guitar playing.
What band were you in?
No one would know it. A few regional bands before the Internet was big.
That makes me sound so old
If I may humbly offer some advice, don't run your sound through sonarworks for us as we're not in your room - I thought some of the sound was a little off and it's probably because I'm running correction on my Headphones after your room correction has also happened! Great tip though I can't wait to try it out myself!
I know there was one video I did the routing wrong that may have been this one. I normally set it up on a separate ox so what you all are hearing on the video is not my monitor chain
Actually man, I went back and watched it after your comment. You can see the "listen" track above the Master. That is the feed are hearing, which is before my sonorworks. I describe that at the end of the video. So you are hearing an untreated feed. I send it out "A 13-14" Into my video recorder.
So this one is fine. Somewhere out there I think there is a video where i did make that mistake. However it wasn't tonally focused so I didn't take it down.
Why oh why don't we mic amps/cabs like we listen to them...from two to three feet away? No one sticks their head against a cab with their ear in front of a speaker cone.
In most situations, there will be too many room reflections captured like this. If the room is very well treated and dead this can be possible and a lot of old recordings were done a foot or more away (back then it was because engineers were afraid to damage their fancy tube condenser and ribbon mics).
We definitely do. We use room mics! If everything in a mix sounded distant we wouldn’t really like it.
No one listens to a vocal from two inches away. No one listens to kick drum from inside...
@@RecordingStudioLoser I'm just talking about a foot or two...not a room mic.
I have found that giving that mic a little breathing room helps tame the fizziness of high gain amps/cabs.
And by the way, I've recorded many a drum kit with overheads, a close mic on snare and a kick mic (usually a ribbon) placed two to three feet in front of the kick. Gotten some killer drum recordings that way.
But to each his own. Carry on.
I totally agree with you and I’ve done the same. I wouldn’t mic and mix a metal band the same way I do Jazz trios, or indie acoustic.... we still have to take into account what the artist vision is and what that market likes to digest.
Cheers.
extreme coolage! bro... you are on fire!
amen! replication is the hallmark of good science.
where do scientists fail mostly?! trying to replicate
their findings :)
Thanks man these nerdy rabbit holes are fun
I'm shocked I can hear this on RUclips!!
Yeah it’s not subtle