Did Alan Parson write it? Great video. Though I've known most of this info, I've never really used it. This was a great way to see/hear the difference. Thank you.
Absolutely fantastic! Thanks so much for providing such a controlled, in depth demo. Not enough people on youtube know how to do this but then again not everyone truly knows their stuff like you guys. Thanks again!
you explained it correct at the start, phase is a different "time" alignment. What you explain here at 1:15 is just the flipped polarity. E.g. top snare mic and bottom snare mic are totally in phase, even though pointing in the opposit direction. Only polarity is flipped as long as you adjust for the sound-traveltime to the bottom mic.
Finally a pragmatic, to-the-point, concise video on mic positioning! Great job. I don't understand why it is so difficult for most music people, particularly guitar people, to be clear about anything. They use a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. This video is a breath of fresh air. I actually learned something useful.
Great Video! It's the first one where someone showed a diagrahm of phase before explaining how to mic things/ That's how your know he's a true audio engineer! Thanks for the lesson!
Thanks for the awesome vid , would be nice if you also showed your signal chain , Eg are you going direct into a compressor then your external pre , just so we know how the particular signal path effects matters
My fav was the 2 mics back about 12 inches. Added some air to it. I also like the very first one with one mic dead center about 6 inches away. Also like the one with one dead center and the other slanting.
Straight to the point, thanks! Been playing for years, but never dived into recording besides for other people. Excited to really start exploring things and this was a great reminder of things I was pretty sure of, but also filled in the gaps and inspired some new ideas! Cheers!
Flip the polarity on the mic you use for the back of the amp. A good way around this is to use a bidirectional ribbon mic on the back of the cab and simply turn the mic around backwards, thus flipping the phase relationship between the mics. Adjust distance for effect/subtle phase changes.
Great demo! Easy to hear the differences even on my cheap earbuds that I have on me at the moment! Really like the 57 straight on the middle of the cone combined with the Beyer toward the edge of the cone (#6).
phase does not equal time of arrival. if so, its units would be expressed in seconds. phase actually describes where a wave is in its cycle. thus its units are expressed in angles (degrees/radians etc.); 1 full cycle being 360 deg. when recording engineers say that two different signals are "in phase" they are referring to the fundamental or lower harmonics of a signal being in phase or in close phase. that is to say that for example the time at which 100Hz from source "A" is at 90 degrees, 100Hz from source "B" is also at or close to 90 degrees. the higher the frequency from two different sources you are considering, the more close to impossible is for them to have phase coherence.
The last example sounded great. Gonna have to try that one as well. Ribbon mics need a high quality preamp to get the best performance from them, is that right? Thank you!
Might have mentioned that when you mic the front and back of an open back cabinet put the rear mic 180 degrees out of phase (hit the phase button on the mic pre). Also, room mics in omni can be cool. Folks should also look up the "3 to 1" rule.
Hey Paulinho, room mic phase doesn't make too much of a difference as the purpose of a room mic is pick up some reverb, and this effect is nulled when mics are phase-aligned. Also the volume difference is so great that phase cancellation isn't a huge difference.
This was really great - I've seen the "center" of the speaker referred to as the "cap" - not that it really matters I guess, but is that a common way to refer to it?
What would you want to consider with volume output when using a mic? What is too loud? Of course you don't want it to clip, but where do you find a sweet spot for the recording volume that doesn't put it over the top. This would be recording guitar alone.
You failed to mention volume issues that arise when moving mics away from speaker cabinets, which almost always requires a few more decibels from microphone preamps, otherwise it will sound too distant. More than one microphone will also muddy up recordings because of too much room ambience, especially if the music is faster.
Great info and well done. Great sound too. I am currently getting ready to do a guitar solo, but my home studio live room is much smaller (15' x 11.5'), so not sure a room mic would work as I don't want it to sound hollow, but I will experiment and see what that adds (or subtracts) to the sound using that room mic. I am looking for a tight sustaining sound, but not harsh. It will be with a one 12" speaker Red Plate amp (these are custom made, many people not familiar with them) which will be pushed into mild overdrive, but not distortion. I plan on using a SM57 and probably an alternate darker mic (to be determined), set up like the well known R-121 - SM57 placement side by side) and I'll try the Rode NT-1 as a room mic to start. If I owned an R-121, I'd use that arrangement, so I'll have to experiment. Super nice video. Great info. Kudos. Phil NYC Area
I have a microphone similar to the Beyer Dynamic one and its always lacking in high end power. Really boomy low ends. I'm curious to see how a Shure SM57 miced at an angle facing the center cone and then a room mic would sound for my guitar setup personally. Right now, I can almost get the sound to the way I want, but it still sounds hollow. Also bear in mind too, a lot of the sound is processed in your DAW too. I can usually get my guitar sound to sound full using saturation, EQ, compression, etc.
@@sporngberb1681 I am going to experiment with some other mics. I thought about using the pre-amp only of one of my two guitar amps, but I will need to get some kind of speaker IR if I do so. I tried just the pre-amp OUT of my amp and that doesn't sound so good so I guess i will have to invest in some kind of speaker emulation IR. Phil
Ok but then how do you pan these in your daw, shoild is till double track with all of these mics blended on each side or should I just pan the different mics left and right
This is the most informative video I have found on how to mic amps. Thank you very much!
I’d recommend searching for the one steve alibini did on his channel, it’s amazing and gives examples with different amps
You had me at the intro!
Fa Q We do love a good intro!
The music in the intro reminds me of Todd Rundgren's "Hideaway"
Did Alan Parson write it? Great video. Though I've known most of this info, I've never really used it. This was a great way to see/hear the difference. Thank you.
You are the best. I learned.
1 mic: 2:01, 2:38, 3:08 ~~~~ 2 mics: 3:46, 4:04, 4:48, 5:15, 5:44 ~~~~ 3 mics: 6:32, 7:01
Dont recommend skipping times though. There is useful information between each take that most people should listen to.
DasterSlice this was to hear the difference not learn the difference.
Not all heroes wear capes
Very straight forward, no waiting time. A very good video if you need a quick intro on mic placement. Bravo!
Absolutely fantastic! Thanks so much for providing such a controlled, in depth demo. Not enough people on youtube know how to do this but then again not everyone truly knows their stuff like you guys. Thanks again!
Thanks for saying so,Gary Kramer!
1 - 2:01 - 2:08
*sm57* cone, 6”
2 - 2:38 - 2:45
*sm57* middle, 6”
3 - 3:08 - 3:15
*sm57* angled to cone, 6”
4 - 3:46 - 3:53
*(R) sm57* cone, 6”
*(L) beyer* cone, 6”
5 - 4:04 - 4:12
*(R) sm57* angled to cone, 7”
*(L) beyer* angled to cone, 7”
6 - 4:49 - 4:55
*(R) sm57* cone, 6”
*(L) beyer* angled to cone, 7”
7 - 5:16 - 5:22
*(R) sm57* cone, 12”
*(L) beyer* slightly angled to cone, 12”
The Reverb channel is just gold. Seriously, every video I've watched was informative, unpretentious and just chill as hell. Thanks!
"Dont accept it till it does.." - great and useful video
This guy is great.
‘Don’t accept it til it does’ love that
Hands down the best amp micing video I've ever seen. And I'm not prone to saying such things. Thanks for keeping it short, too.
you explained it correct at the start, phase is a different "time" alignment. What you explain here at 1:15 is just the flipped polarity. E.g. top snare mic and bottom snare mic are totally in phase, even though pointing in the opposit direction. Only polarity is flipped as long as you adjust for the sound-traveltime to the bottom mic.
I was really surprised by how much bigger the guitar sounded just backing the mics off 12". Really cool stuff.
Finally a pragmatic, to-the-point, concise video on mic positioning! Great job. I don't understand why it is so difficult for most music people, particularly guitar people, to be clear about anything. They use a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. This video is a breath of fresh air. I actually learned something useful.
Awesome! The last example with the dual miked cab & the ribbon mike by the wall absolutely bloomed with mid-rangy goodness! Great job sir!
Great Video! It's the first one where someone showed a diagrahm of phase before explaining how to mic things/ That's how your know he's a true audio engineer! Thanks for the lesson!
Very nice, the difference between the examples was very clear and the video was very informative. I hope this becomes a regular series
Leiria65 We hope to bring more to this series very soon!
Nice song choice! "Feel" by Big Star
This is exactly what I needed to watch. Well-controlled experiments with explanation but no rambling. Thanks!
Most concise, beautiful and practical explanation of phase I have ever heard.
Quite frankly the most informative and helpful video on this subject... without beating around the bush as well. Much appreciated!
Damn I want that Beyerdynamic mic. Mixing it with the SM57 is amazing.
I am trying to get into recording and found this video extremely helpful. Thank you
Great video. Interested in knowing why you don't mention phase issues with the room mic placement and close mic?
Thanks for the awesome vid , would be nice if you also showed your signal chain , Eg are you going direct into a compressor then your external pre , just so we know how the particular signal path effects matters
Great overview on Phase at the front. Wow.
Brilliant video. It's given me loads of ideas of idea for the studio tomorrow!
Cheers.
Thank you Brian, very helpful :-) . greetings from Switzerland.
Very important point to add with example #8 - the phase needs flipped on one of the mics if they're facing each other.
Brad Kinder very true if you end up with phase issues, thanks for adding!
Can't you just calculate the delay and correct for it?
would be better to just place the mics properly & flip the phase than fix it retroactively
@@giraffeics4982 Don’t be fucking stupid.
Fan-TAS-tic. Great job. Thank YOU for spending the time with us today.
My starting setup is 57 with Royer 201 on cab with 87 or 414 room mic
Amazing. Thanks for your guidance and information.
Great video Brian
I love your intro dude! And thanks for the vid. Just what I needed, a great start! Thanks again.
Only in a Reverb video would you hear a Big Star song get used as the demo riff. Awesome!
Exactly what I was looking for. Clear, concise, and professional. Thanks!
Cheers! Really helpful to my recording!
Nice video. Simple but can make a huge difference in capturing "The Sound" ha. Thanks.
My fav was the 2 mics back about 12 inches. Added some air to it. I also like the very first one with one mic dead center about 6 inches away. Also like the one with one dead center and the other slanting.
will hafta explore the back mic-ing... thanx!
Big Star! nice.
Great video.Very helpful thanks.Perhaps a little bit more about phase issues and ribbon vs condenser vs dynamic...?
Great demonstration! Thank you!!
Straight to the point, thanks! Been playing for years, but never dived into recording besides for other people. Excited to really start exploring things and this was a great reminder of things I was pretty sure of, but also filled in the gaps and inspired some new ideas! Cheers!
Flip the polarity on the mic you use for the back of the amp. A good way around this is to use a bidirectional ribbon mic on the back of the cab and simply turn the mic around backwards, thus flipping the phase relationship between the mics. Adjust distance for effect/subtle phase changes.
Late to the game, but I've done this for years. Great tip.
Very concise and informative! Great intro reminds me of Tim and Eric
sooooo helpful and straight forward, thank you
AMAZING video! So interesting. So clear! Wow. Instant sub.
You sir have recorded all of my favorite bands!!
Number 7 i loved for my ears! Thank you so much for rhe demo.
Excellent information, Brian. Good job!
Great demo! Easy to hear the differences even on my cheap earbuds that I have on me at the moment! Really like the 57 straight on the middle of the cone combined with the Beyer toward the edge of the cone (#6).
StereoLaunch That's great that you could hear the difference on earbuds, thanks for letting us know!
Brian and Reverb, Thanks a Million! Really good stuff and a LOT of help.
Big Star?
Yes! Feel by Big Star
Good demo.
Informative helpful video. Thanks!
Very good Demo. Thank you.
Thank you so much, that was very informative and helpful.
Super helpful and straight to the point. Thanks Reverb!!
Great video, still really useful, thanks!
Cheers for a great concise video...
This was seriously so helpful! Thank you!
It sounds much better with more then one mics, I wish I had another microphone!!
I knew I was in the right place when the first song played was a Big Star song
Subscribed right away! Nice explanation of phase too!
phase does not equal time of arrival. if so, its units would be expressed in seconds. phase actually describes where a wave is in its cycle. thus its units are expressed in angles (degrees/radians etc.); 1 full cycle being 360 deg. when recording engineers say that two different signals are "in phase" they are referring to the fundamental or lower harmonics of a signal being in phase or in close phase. that is to say that for example the time at which 100Hz from source "A" is at 90 degrees, 100Hz from source "B" is also at or close to 90 degrees. the higher the frequency from two different sources you are considering, the more close to impossible is for them to have phase coherence.
Very helpful video! Thanks a lot!
Very helpfulle. Mega THANKE YOUE and THUMBBESS UPPES!
7 sounds the best imo
"available in any studio", uses U87
Pretty much any commercial studio would be expected to have one. Project studios less so.
He literally never says that
There are way more project studios than commercial studios so yes, this comment is valid.
Wow, great information -- very well presented! Thanks for posting this!
RadicalTone Thank you for watching!
Amazing .. Right to the point .. thanks
awesome. thx for sharing.
Make more videos like that Reverb.com ! About recording/mix techniques.
The last example sounded great. Gonna have to try that one as well. Ribbon mics need a high quality preamp to get the best performance from them, is that right? Thank you!
brian patrick Putting a ribbon (or any microphone) through a high quality preamp certainly doesn't hurt!
Yeah!! This is what I needed! Thanks
Great video! Thanks for some tips
Is that Feel by Big Star he's playing? :)
Might have mentioned that when you mic the front and back of an open back cabinet put the rear mic 180 degrees out of phase (hit the phase button on the mic pre). Also, room mics in omni can be cool. Folks should also look up the "3 to 1" rule.
Hey efish, I have a question. How the room mic phase work, cause the sound its delayed in relation others mics causing phase. How fix it
Hey Paulinho, room mic phase doesn't make too much of a difference as the purpose of a room mic is pick up some reverb, and this effect is nulled when mics are phase-aligned. Also the volume difference is so great that phase cancellation isn't a huge difference.
Well done, great examples, thank you! Jocky time!
Wow, thank you for the great video!
Great communicator
Awesome video buddy thanks for the tips just subscribed
This was really great - I've seen the "center" of the speaker referred to as the "cap" - not that it really matters I guess, but is that a common way to refer to it?
How do you deal with the phase when it comes to adding the room mic?
Very helpful!
great demo..thanks!
two mics on axis sounds great!
What would you want to consider with volume output when using a mic? What is too loud? Of course you don't want it to clip, but where do you find a sweet spot for the recording volume that doesn't put it over the top. This would be recording guitar alone.
Tks Brian !
You failed to mention volume issues that arise when moving mics away from speaker cabinets, which almost always requires a few more decibels from microphone preamps, otherwise it will sound too distant. More than one microphone will also muddy up recordings because of too much room ambience, especially if the music is faster.
Very useful, thanks!
Thanks, this is a great video!
Great info and well done. Great sound too.
I am currently getting ready to do a guitar solo, but my home studio live room is much smaller (15' x 11.5'), so not sure a room mic would work as I don't want it to sound hollow, but I will experiment and see what that adds (or subtracts) to the sound using that room mic.
I am looking for a tight sustaining sound, but not harsh. It will be with a one 12" speaker Red Plate amp (these are custom made, many people not familiar with them) which will be pushed into mild overdrive, but not distortion. I plan on using a SM57 and probably an alternate darker mic (to be determined), set up like the well known R-121 - SM57 placement side by side) and I'll try the Rode NT-1 as a room mic to start. If I owned an R-121, I'd use that arrangement, so I'll have to experiment.
Super nice video. Great info. Kudos.
Phil
NYC Area
I have a microphone similar to the Beyer Dynamic one and its always lacking in high end power. Really boomy low ends. I'm curious to see how a Shure SM57 miced at an angle facing the center cone and then a room mic would sound for my guitar setup personally. Right now, I can almost get the sound to the way I want, but it still sounds hollow. Also bear in mind too, a lot of the sound is processed in your DAW too. I can usually get my guitar sound to sound full using saturation, EQ, compression, etc.
@@sporngberb1681 I am going to experiment with some other mics. I thought about using the pre-amp only of one of my two guitar amps, but I will need to get some kind of speaker IR if I do so. I tried just the pre-amp OUT of my amp and that doesn't sound so good so I guess i will have to invest in some kind of speaker emulation IR.
Phil
Ok but then how do you pan these in your daw, shoild is till double track with all of these mics blended on each side or should I just pan the different mics left and right
Great Job !!
I love this stuff.
This was very fancy pancy, I like it
Nice video. Could you tell me how you mixed the multiple mic setups? What was the relative level of each? Where were they panned?
great job