I feel like those other clones with Wolffe were probably Wolfpack clone troopers, which is why they listened to Wolffe when he ordered them to stand down.
@@CommanderScout rex was overriden by other clones because of the fact a contingency order 66 was active, which comes from the supreme chancellor who ranks above all. They wouldnt be able to follow his orders to stand down because he wasnt, in effect, the leader in that scenario. There is no "order 62 kill all traitor clones" for example active
@CommanderScout That was order 66 though and he at first gave orders to take down Ahsoka where with this scene its way different. They are trying to take Omega woth strict orders of no harm to be done. 2 complete different situations.
One thing I like about the clones is that they take off their helmets when trying to sympathize/empathize with whom they’re talking to, as if to show their humanity
Which is ironic to the Storm Troopers, which were designed to look the same as each other. Right down to the height and weight, it almost looks like an endless tide of the same person was coming at you in a battle.
It's kind of an irony considering they all have the same faces, at their core they are the same guy and yet the stormtroopers who are actually all sorts of different people never took off their helmets. You would never guess they're different, you'd think they are the actual clones.
2:23 notice how he says "recover their fallen." Even though they are on different sides, they are still brothers who went through so much together. Wolffe being respectful to his fallen clone brothers by putting them to rest.
The commando clones doesn’t care. They were barely use for the frontline compare to the other troopers there so they had no feelings towards those regs
@@coffeelink943 no, they are different because Mace Windu got killed many of them during an attack. They hated both the Jedi and Republic, they don't share the same bonding with clones as clones do.
@@OXY187source on any of this? Afaik the commandos were pretty indifferent to the change in government and the Jedi in legends and still are in canon. They just rarely ever had to interact with Jedi or deal with civilians and didn't learn to see themselves as anything more than good soldiers that follow orders.
Many people forget just how unique Rex was as both a character and clone trooper in Star Wars. He started off as a regular "shiny" clone trooper and served in the first Battle of Genosis as featured in Attack of Clones, was later promoted and selected for ARK Trooper training were he met Commander Cody, his back story is amazing. Am I also the only one who noticed that the 501st Legion pumped out the most independently thinking clones like Rex, Fives, Echo, and others. I think that's one of the reasons Palpatine kept a close eye on 501st in particular because to him, independent thinking clones were a threat to his plans.
DUDEEEEEEEEE yeah now that makes sense why palpatine specifically contacted rex personally (as he did with cody in the movies) & gave him special orders on ahsoka despite her not being a jedi
I think the main reason for the independence of clones in the 501st is due to the close contact with Anakin, Obi Wan, and Yoda. The three of them encouraged independence and their differences. Even in the 1st episode (I think) of the clone wars, when Yoda and 3 clones have to fight off a platoon of droids, Yoda himself see's each clone as completely different and unique in the force, and encourages their uniqueness, as that's what sets them apart from droids. But Obi Wan, and especially Anakin, heavily emphasized individualism and independence. Not all Jedi's do, even towards the end of the war. Many treat the clones as just another number, but our MCs know better. And so this encouragement and pragmatic approach naturally allows for more independence to grow which leads to forward thinking and higher quality troopers.
Can you really blame them? Most of the clone legions develop or either somewhat get their personalities from their jedi generals. Look at the clones who were under general's that valued each of their life like Plo, Anakin, Obi-wan and others. The way they think was far more different to your regular "good soldiers follow orders" clones. Especially the 501st under Anakin.
Most of the 501st were reformed into the special squad that was under direct command of Vader, nicknamed “Vader’s Fist” and if I’m not mistaken Rex was a commander among this elite unit.
He may be a commando, but he's still a clone. If anything, the Commando is more likely to disobey the empire's order, since they were made to think for themselves and be more independent.
@@garrettjackson1451 If this was Legends, I’d say he tragically made the choice to be a good soldier. But in this continuity I guess the chip made him do it, so it’s not his fault at all. No real moral dilemma there.
I like seeing the behavior of the commando and clones during the dialog. Small details. Am disappointed over how Disney nuked most of Rex’s team in one episode though.
I'm glad they did that tho, it shows how not to get too attached on things or ppl because it adds a toll on the ones who live on great story telling tho, just remember the fallen and enjoy the moments they had together fighting together for something they believed in
@@lukethegoldenminecart1297 I remember he got shot in the pauldron when Ahsoka and him were escaping from the venator at the end of S7 of clone wars. So maybe he took it off since there was a hole and was never able to replace it.
This was so sastisfying to watch especially after Rex failed to convince Jesse and his troops to stand down on the ship. It was heartbreaking to watch Ashoka and Rex's 501st all die. So being able to watch Rex convince not only Wolffe, but the rest of Wolffe's clones to stand down was awesome.
I always loved how Clone Wars and Avatar actually, not every episode is action packed, shoot first ask questions later. It’s quite the opposite. Ask first shoot later if ever.
For how Plo treated them and how they grew up as if he was their mentor? For some odd reason, even with the chips, why do I feel like the Wolffpack would rather beat Palpatine to death rather than obey Order 66 against Plo (yes, I know the pack weren't probably the ones who killed the guy)
I hate the chips for this reason. It takes away so much potential drama (not to mention the original point of Order 66 thematically) by stripping the clones of their agency. It also makes no sense that it’s only there for Order 66, but that’s a whole ‘nother issue…😂
@warlordofbritannia if there was no chip it wouldn't make sense that almost all clones would kill their jedi superiors also the chip not only working for order 66 does make sense since after the order is finished no other major order was given by palpatine
Kinda didn't like how they kept Wolffe's orginal armor design. The whole reason the empire got rid of color on clone trooper armor is to remove their personality and make them more obedient
Rex handled that so well. Like how do you convince someone with a chip their head ordering them to consider you an enemy. Just goes to show how much respect Rex and Wolfe had for each other, and how Rex still treated Wolfe with respect even though he’s technically with the Empire (against his will).
Wolffe: "Recover their fallen!" Clone Commando: "But sir... they're traitors!" Wolffe: "Perhaps, but they're clones, we owe them that." The entire squad of regs behind him: _visibly change their posture all at once_ Probably important to remember Clone Commandos weren't known to be particularly considerate of their brothers falling unless it was a fellow Commando, and these particular commandos are super-loyal brainwashed kind of CC's... I totally believe those clones would have kicked his ass if he pushed the issue.
Kind of wished they made an alternate timeline or an “What if” episode or a mini series where the entirety of the clone army does find out about the truth instead of just the few and fought back against the empire and did a very good job at it.
The one thing i hate about bad batch is how they handled clone commandos their armor was known to take alot of punishment and keep the trooper wlive also they can actually ignore their inhibitors due to their trwining so there is no way so many remained loyal
ofcourse there is a way so many stayed loyal like any war this was a war of information whoever gets to preach first is who is believed after the jedi were dead who was there to really say something against the empire that brought weight? no one so what does a soldier do, he follows orders
yeh they don't really explore them enough. Tbh I could see them staying loyal not because of the chips, but because they believed in the Empire. Commanos in legends also stuck with the Empire after all. But in disney era they're just cannon fodder
Ngl, kinda neat detail that the Commando actually questions Wolffe on his decision given their increased independence over the other clones while the rest just follow their Commander without question.
Hope they have more stories with these two. Remember, Rex and Wolffe helped the Ghost Crew in Rebels. Want to see what happened in the time between those two periods.
I’m pretty sure Rex was the one who lead the relief force for wolf after the battalion he was apart of and the Jedi/padawan he served under all were nearly slaughtered, they used to not always be grey, but had a reddish armor originally, dawned violet armor while being assigned to the 501st and then settled on the grey after being delegated to relief missions while their battalion replenished over time Or like at least the comics I used to own as a kid had this lore Pretty sure geetlys got a vid on it
Oh I didn't know this show was still going. It's been years. I remember they had a chip implanted in their heads that made them turn against their jedi comrades. This is a well made show.
It’s moments like these where I will never understand why people are so adamant that inhibitor chips were a better retcon vs having clones retain their autonomy. There’s a genuine negotiation between what’s right and orders from an authority. There is so much room for amazing story telling but order 66 is boiled down to “the chip made me do it!!” Why wouldn’t the chip be able to do the same thing here?
Chips were apart of the canon lore so it’s annoying and ridiculous to see so many free, independent clones walking around. It’s even lazier writing to ignore previously established conventions in favor of a more “morally grey” storyline. Moral grayness and complexity can be good but it does not always translate to being a good story.
While I don’t agree with you about not having chips at all but I do agree that it’s kinda dumb how the chips are really only used to make them obedient to take out the Jedi and that’s really it.
I agree completely. The tragedy of the clones is lost, the moral dilemma of a good soldier vs a good person…the point in Legends was an allegory for WWII and military indoctrination as a whole. By making the chips a thing, they ruined half the tragedy of Order 66 that the show itself was supposed to be building towards. Having clones choose to execute the Order and live with the guilt was always more interesting and had more story telling potential than the huge plot hole that was the chips.
@@warlordofbritannia people forget just how much of a tragedy, and how scary, reality is. I’ve had people argue that it’s hypocritical to argue against the chips because the argument goes; chips = mind control but no chips = mind control through conditioning so it’s all kind control anyways!! checkmate!! But those people fail to recognize that there’s still room for choice to be made at an individual level without the chips. You said it yourself; good soldier vs good person. The chips remove all agency and all chances. You don’t lose necessarily lose it all with mental conditioning. There’s still a chance to come back.
@@TheOnlyAdamal123 Sidenote, but it’s writing decisions like this that really make Filoni the successor to George, for both good and ill. They’re both idea guys with a tendency to constantly retcon and stumble on the details. With George, he sucked at writing dialogue and directing actors and contracted tunnel vision at other times, failing to recognize that what made sense to him wouldn’t work the same to the audience. Dave on the other hand fails to think through many of his creative decisions, only to realize he made a mistake years later.
So, what's the deal with the inhibitor chips now in this show? Have their effects worn off on most clones by this point? Does Wolffe not have one, because he seems to be acting like his normal self compared to how Jesse was in the Clone Wars finale? I haven't gotten this far in the show yet. So, I wasn't sure if they'll eventually explain it or if they already gave an answer and I perhaps missed it.
i haven't watched this show and I might be wrong but I think the chip isn't at play here maybe. Jesse was acting up because he was following protocol 66 and Rex was conspiring with a Jedi. I think they're just their normal selves here
The Commandos are training the first generation of Stormtroopers. They also guard top-secret, susceptible areas and operate in high-value missions. They are this era’s counterpart to the Death Trooper and Dark Trooper.
I like to partly think how wolffe and his troopers acted like they did is because of the clout/respect the 501st and rex earnt in the war especially if you include the original battlefront 2 campaign journal nartion where it says the 501st got the best of the war but also the worst. If you're a soldier in the same army and know the records anyone who survived in the 501st legion would have the respect deserved from any and all
Probably shortly after the show he leaves and joins Rex, Echo, and Gregor. I imagine after this confrontation with defector clones he reflects on Order 66. Now, Wolffe wasn't the one who killed Plo Koon, that was Captain Jag in an ARC-170. But it isn't unlikely that he was also on Cato Neimodia and maybe so were a few other Jedi who he might have started a search party for, being a commander. I honestly think we will probably get another animated spinoff series set after Bad Batch but before Rebels, about his Clone Rebellion, how Wolffe joins, how they presumably fail, lose Echo, and end up where they are in Rebels, alone.
Captain Rex: You're hunting a child... Vader: I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I HATE THEM.
Because he respects Rex and the other clones as his brothers. Rex convinced Wolffe to do the "right" thing, and he decided to let them go in an honorable manner.
Wolffe is a jerk (never liked him since he stunned Ahsoka), but at least he did the right thing here. I hope there's a third Clone show so we can see how he left the Empire.
Im sorry, but i hate this entire retconning of the clones. It's much more brutal and intresting, if it's not a chip, but simply bred into them, that they don't question orders and so on. That would also make it much more meaningful, when some clones turn to "good".
Honestly, this doesn't make sense if wolfe's inhibator chip activated. Take a look at wrecker when his activated. No thoughts, just pure follow orders. So the fact that wolfe is even talking to rex let alone let them go away really doesnt make sense.
@@AzureMckay threaten to demote verbally, but all of those in board would have gotten killed including Jesse before the proposed demotion would have been filed and made official. So according to official record, Commander Rex would have died with the crew on a crashed venator. Still a Commander all thanks to good timing.
Hey guys about the commandos are the clones inside the suit or StormTroopers -anyways they have the sound module for a clone and the stormtroopers sound different to those commandos > share your thoughts below 👇
I really hated that they killed Nemec. Something that the clone wars did right (half the time) was clone plot armor wasn’t stupid. I mean ridge survived with Rex, when Cody faced grevious one of his brothers survived too, it’s just really annoying that somehow the characters of the story are just fine & the others become fodder. Sure, kill off Samson & fireball but really, everyone but our main gang? Just seems stupid & lazy.
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I feel like those other clones with Wolffe were probably Wolfpack clone troopers, which is why they listened to Wolffe when he ordered them to stand down.
hes also a commander and has operational authority over this mission, and his orders are to be followed.
@@CT_Taylor So did Rex But look how that turned out 😢
@@CommanderScout rex was overriden by other clones because of the fact a contingency order 66 was active, which comes from the supreme chancellor who ranks above all.
They wouldnt be able to follow his orders to stand down because he wasnt, in effect, the leader in that scenario. There is no "order 62 kill all traitor clones" for example active
@CommanderScout That was order 66 though and he at first gave orders to take down Ahsoka where with this scene its way different. They are trying to take Omega woth strict orders of no harm to be done. 2 complete different situations.
The 104 attack battalion doesnt have a detachment of commandos. Its prob his order to follow his command anyway.
When Wolffe says "but they're clones" at 2:35, you can see all of the other troopers stand up to acknowledge & agree with what he just said.
That was an epic scene ^^
One thing I like about the clones is that they take off their helmets when trying to sympathize/empathize with whom they’re talking to, as if to show their humanity
Which is ironic to the Storm Troopers, which were designed to look the same as each other. Right down to the height and weight, it almost looks like an endless tide of the same person was coming at you in a battle.
yeah it is wholesome
the bad guys don't show their faces while the good clones decide to take off mask and actually reason with others
Clonemanity
It's kind of an irony considering they all have the same faces, at their core they are the same guy and yet the stormtroopers who are actually all sorts of different people never took off their helmets. You would never guess they're different, you'd think they are the actual clones.
Eeyup.
2:25 *“They’re clones. We owe them that.”* This line was well delivered.
Well, I got the 66th like. You know what that means.
@@Baryrex29 ☠️
I like how Wolffe got to keep his 104th armour since it matches up with the neutral colours the empire seems to be displaying
Yep though it seems like the rest of wolfpack had to change anyway
@@B-52HThe perks of being a high ranking officer I guess.
He really lucked out on the paint job color.
@treygoldsworthy1402 keep in mind Cody was also a commander but he didnt get to keep his orange paint.
@@idkibk7his was orange tho
2:23 notice how he says "recover their fallen." Even though they are on different sides, they are still brothers who went through so much together. Wolffe being respectful to his fallen clone brothers by putting them to rest.
The commando clones doesn’t care. They were barely use for the frontline compare to the other troopers there so they had no feelings towards those regs
Vode' An
@@coffeelink943 no, they are different because Mace Windu got killed many of them during an attack. They hated both the Jedi and Republic, they don't share the same bonding with clones as clones do.
@@OXY187source on any of this? Afaik the commandos were pretty indifferent to the change in government and the Jedi in legends and still are in canon. They just rarely ever had to interact with Jedi or deal with civilians and didn't learn to see themselves as anything more than good soldiers that follow orders.
@@krystalneko4094 it was revealed to me in a dream.
Many people forget just how unique Rex was as both a character and clone trooper in Star Wars.
He started off as a regular "shiny" clone trooper and served in the first Battle of Genosis as featured in Attack of Clones, was later promoted and selected for ARK Trooper training were he met Commander Cody, his back story is amazing.
Am I also the only one who noticed that the 501st Legion pumped out the most independently thinking clones like Rex, Fives, Echo, and others.
I think that's one of the reasons Palpatine kept a close eye on 501st in particular because to him, independent thinking clones were a threat to his plans.
DUDEEEEEEEEE yeah now that makes sense why palpatine specifically contacted rex personally (as he did with cody in the movies) & gave him special orders on ahsoka despite her not being a jedi
@TTeed-gv1fv Seeeee someone gets it!
I think the main reason for the independence of clones in the 501st is due to the close contact with Anakin, Obi Wan, and Yoda.
The three of them encouraged independence and their differences. Even in the 1st episode (I think) of the clone wars, when Yoda and 3 clones have to fight off a platoon of droids, Yoda himself see's each clone as completely different and unique in the force, and encourages their uniqueness, as that's what sets them apart from droids.
But Obi Wan, and especially Anakin, heavily emphasized individualism and independence.
Not all Jedi's do, even towards the end of the war. Many treat the clones as just another number, but our MCs know better. And so this encouragement and pragmatic approach naturally allows for more independence to grow which leads to forward thinking and higher quality troopers.
Can you really blame them? Most of the clone legions develop or either somewhat get their personalities from their jedi generals. Look at the clones who were under general's that valued each of their life like Plo, Anakin, Obi-wan and others. The way they think was far more different to your regular "good soldiers follow orders" clones. Especially the 501st under Anakin.
Most of the 501st were reformed into the special squad that was under direct command of Vader, nicknamed “Vader’s Fist” and if I’m not mistaken Rex was a commander among this elite unit.
I like how Hunter, Wrecker, and Batcher put themselves in front of Omega to protect her when Wolffe demands they hand her over.
its crosshair
You know you're dealing with a certified badass when Empire's Clone Commando doesn't dare to act according to the order
He may be a commando, but he's still a clone. If anything, the Commando is more likely to disobey the empire's order, since they were made to think for themselves and be more independent.
I like how the clone commando despite being loyal to the empire he still acknowledges wolfee's statement
No surprise the clone commander who does the right thing was the second in command of plo koon
I wonder where he was during order 66
@@garrettjackson1451
If this was Legends, I’d say he tragically made the choice to be a good soldier.
But in this continuity I guess the chip made him do it, so it’s not his fault at all. No real moral dilemma there.
@@warlordofbritanniahe was probably somewhere else as Plo Koon was shot down while Wolfe is more of a fighter on the ground.
Plo Kloon was killed by the 91st recon Unit white armor red insignia. Commander Wolffe wasn't behind the trigger.
@@Tk--cp9xwno that was a different Jedi, Plo Koon was shot down over Cato nemoidia but some unknown clone pilots
I like seeing the behavior of the commando and clones during the dialog. Small details. Am disappointed over how Disney nuked most of Rex’s team in one episode though.
True, all that effort of trying to save clones, just to die to one of their own.
I'm glad they did that tho, it shows how not to get too attached on things or ppl because it adds a toll on the ones who live on great story telling tho, just remember the fallen and enjoy the moments they had together fighting together for something they believed in
And never forget how they destroyed the commandos and turned them into cool looking canon fodder
Im still hella pissed about that those guys doesn't deserved to die
I'm tired of them killing at the clones now. Just let some have a happy ending
Its still weird seeing Rex without his arc trooper pauldron.
Yeah is there a reason he didnt have it in the BB?
@@idkibk7 he probably got rid of it to be less recognizable
@@lukethegoldenminecart1297 I remember he got shot in the pauldron when Ahsoka and him were escaping from the venator at the end of S7 of clone wars. So maybe he took it off since there was a hole and was never able to replace it.
@@cadenchun9836only problem is in season 1 of The Bad Batch, we see him again with his pauldron all fixed up.
@@strikerecho2592 Maybe he removed his pauldron again because of clone assassin told him they knew him as traitor
Wolffe: I thought you were dead
Rex: My death was greatly exaggerated
This was so sastisfying to watch especially after Rex failed to convince Jesse and his troops to stand down on the ship. It was heartbreaking to watch Ashoka and Rex's 501st all die. So being able to watch Rex convince not only Wolffe, but the rest of Wolffe's clones to stand down was awesome.
1:53 foreshadowing Wolffe, Gregor and Rex living together on Seelos
Omega looks like a little galactic civil war rebel fighter with that hat.
and now she has joined the rebellion
Episode six vibes
Its nice that clones can recognize who is who just by their armor design
Both of them have unique enough armors, especially helmets. And they operated together quite a few times
Pretty stupid to say. Rex and Wolfe have unique armors, and sometimes even regs have unique little details on their armor.
Pretty much i can too 🤓
That's the point.
Clone: But sir, they're traitors.
Rex: My birth was to the Republic, *TO DEMOCRACY.*
Cody: Hey, Kenobi is MY thing.
I always loved how Clone Wars and Avatar actually, not every episode is action packed, shoot first ask questions later. It’s quite the opposite. Ask first shoot later if ever.
For how Plo treated them and how they grew up as if he was their mentor? For some odd reason, even with the chips, why do I feel like the Wolffpack would rather beat Palpatine to death rather than obey Order 66 against Plo (yes, I know the pack weren't probably the ones who killed the guy)
They were actually. Wolffe fought against the chip but couldn’t stop it.
I hate the chips for this reason. It takes away so much potential drama (not to mention the original point of Order 66 thematically) by stripping the clones of their agency.
It also makes no sense that it’s only there for Order 66, but that’s a whole ‘nother issue…😂
@@warlordofbritanniabut then again, it is because of that stripped agency that some drama can occur from the Clones.
@warlordofbritannia if there was no chip it wouldn't make sense that almost all clones would kill their jedi superiors also the chip not only working for order 66 does make sense since after the order is finished no other major order was given by palpatine
I mean this was part of the Grand Plan orchestrated by Palpatine, and it clearly worked so..
It's really nice to see the "Clone Rebellion" that was featured in Battlefront was the beginning of the wider Rebellion down the road.
Is it just me or is rex starting to sound like a Jedi than a clone?
Rex picked up alot from his numerous missions with kenobi skywalker and ashoka so he's using experience which as we all know outranks everything 😎
"In my book experience outranks everything" -Captain 7567 "Rex"
Kinda didn't like how they kept Wolffe's orginal armor design. The whole reason the empire got rid of color on clone trooper armor is to remove their personality and make them more obedient
Yeah but Wolffe is Filoni's super special favorite OC donut steal so he gets special treatment, like all other characters Filoni gets attached to.
@@CheemsofRegretyeah just like plo is his favourite Jedi and Star Wars character
His helmet and armor had the same color in Rebels, so it probably wouldn't make sense for them to get rid of Wolffe's original armor design.
Tbf, Cody had his color pattern the same, just changed the 212th colors to grey
he is gray which fits the empires whole sterilized color gimmick, they probably allowed it as a result
Rex handled that so well. Like how do you convince someone with a chip their head ordering them to consider you an enemy.
Just goes to show how much respect Rex and Wolfe had for each other, and how Rex still treated Wolfe with respect even though he’s technically with the Empire (against his will).
I love how in the Bad Batch, Rex is shown much more in command. We never really saw that in TCWs except for the Umbara arc.
Wolffe: "Recover their fallen!"
Clone Commando: "But sir... they're traitors!"
Wolffe: "Perhaps, but they're clones, we owe them that."
The entire squad of regs behind him: _visibly change their posture all at once_
Probably important to remember Clone Commandos weren't known to be particularly considerate of their brothers falling unless it was a fellow Commando, and these particular commandos are super-loyal brainwashed kind of CC's... I totally believe those clones would have kicked his ass if he pushed the issue.
God I love the aesthetic of the clone commandos
Ikr
"Open your eyes, or at least the one you've left"
I think this meet caused Wolffe to start reflecting and leave the empire
I just hope that in the rumored clone resistance show we find how how Wolfe betrayed the Empire and what happened to Codie.
I love how Hunter is just standing there like 🧍♂️
Kind of wished they made an alternate timeline or an “What if” episode or a mini series where the entirety of the clone army does find out about the truth instead of just the few and fought back against the empire and did a very good job at it.
Running into old coworkers is always awkward
Commander Woffle! I love Clone Troopers especially I would be a Clone Trooper Commander! Commander Doom!
Wolfe has honor! I respect that!
The one thing i hate about bad batch is how they handled clone commandos their armor was known to take alot of punishment and keep the trooper wlive also they can actually ignore their inhibitors due to their trwining so there is no way so many remained loyal
if i hear anything about delta squad i will start watching this show again
ofcourse there is a way so many stayed loyal
like any war this was a war of information
whoever gets to preach first is who is believed
after the jedi were dead who was there to really say something against the empire that brought weight?
no one
so what does a soldier do, he follows orders
@@DaGamer2344scorch is in the show
@@tavish4699 a majority of commandos thought order 66 was a seperatist trick
yeh they don't really explore them enough. Tbh I could see them staying loyal not because of the chips, but because they believed in the Empire. Commanos in legends also stuck with the Empire after all. But in disney era they're just cannon fodder
Bad Batch redeemed the clones.
Thank you for doing this
Lotta folks in here who don't understand how those inhibitor chips worked...
with how this ended, we're definitely getting another movie or miniseries
Ngl, kinda neat detail that the Commando actually questions Wolffe on his decision given their increased independence over the other clones while the rest just follow their Commander without question.
I would love to see his reaction towards Koons death after his chip got removed.
pls just say plo koon 💀💀💀
Bit annoyed they never showed Rex removing wolffe and Gregors inhibitor chips
Best season yet. Gonna miss this show
Great show! Fingers crossed there's a third clone series, and the BB is in some of it.
2:11 is the dude behind Rex Gregor?
Yeah
Hope they have more stories with these two. Remember, Rex and Wolffe helped the Ghost Crew in Rebels. Want to see what happened in the time between those two periods.
OK I’m just gonna say it what happened to comet sinker and boost? Where are those guys?
Good detail is that you can see Gregor in the background with regular white katarn armour.
Kinda surprised he hasn’t added any more markings to his armour during the half year gap between S2 and S3
It's just....it's just so peak....
Man, I wish this would've been Cody
I like to think that him recovering the bodies of the clones that killed was a habit he picked up from his general
The subtle nod is so cold. It speaks volumes. I hope Disney explores how they got together before Rebels.
I’m pretty sure Rex was the one who lead the relief force for wolf after the battalion he was apart of and the Jedi/padawan he served under all were nearly slaughtered, they used to not always be grey, but had a reddish armor originally, dawned violet armor while being assigned to the 501st and then settled on the grey after being delegated to relief missions while their battalion replenished over time
Or like at least the comics I used to own as a kid had this lore
Pretty sure geetlys got a vid on it
Oh I didn't know this show was still going. It's been years. I remember they had a chip implanted in their heads that made them turn against their jedi comrades. This is a well made show.
Wolffe trusted Rex he is at least aware It's ashame the clones didn't rebel against the empire how the history would have changed if so
Brutal reencuentro entre hermanos y compañeros de armas
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That was Gregor 😱
No, that was Wolffe. Gregor's on the ship that arrived with Echo.
And later on Rex and Wolffe will find Gregor and in a few years they'll meet Kanan, Ezra, Sabine and Zeb and find out that Ahsoka's alive.
That clone commando or delta commando besides Commander Wolffe is really eager to kill Rex and the bad batch.
It’s moments like these where I will never understand why people are so adamant that inhibitor chips were a better retcon vs having clones retain their autonomy.
There’s a genuine negotiation between what’s right and orders from an authority.
There is so much room for amazing story telling but order 66 is boiled down to “the chip made me do it!!” Why wouldn’t the chip be able to do the same thing here?
Chips were apart of the canon lore so it’s annoying and ridiculous to see so many free, independent clones walking around.
It’s even lazier writing to ignore previously established conventions in favor of a more “morally grey” storyline. Moral grayness and complexity can be good but it does not always translate to being a good story.
While I don’t agree with you about not having chips at all but I do agree that it’s kinda dumb how the chips are really only used to make them obedient to take out the Jedi and that’s really it.
I agree completely. The tragedy of the clones is lost, the moral dilemma of a good soldier vs a good person…the point in Legends was an allegory for WWII and military indoctrination as a whole. By making the chips a thing, they ruined half the tragedy of Order 66 that the show itself was supposed to be building towards.
Having clones choose to execute the Order and live with the guilt was always more interesting and had more story telling potential than the huge plot hole that was the chips.
@@warlordofbritannia people forget just how much of a tragedy, and how scary, reality is.
I’ve had people argue that it’s hypocritical to argue against the chips because the argument goes; chips = mind control but no chips = mind control through conditioning so it’s all kind control anyways!! checkmate!!
But those people fail to recognize that there’s still room for choice to be made at an individual level without the chips. You said it yourself; good soldier vs good person.
The chips remove all agency and all chances. You don’t lose necessarily lose it all with mental conditioning. There’s still a chance to come back.
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Sidenote, but it’s writing decisions like this that really make Filoni the successor to George, for both good and ill. They’re both idea guys with a tendency to constantly retcon and stumble on the details.
With George, he sucked at writing dialogue and directing actors and contracted tunnel vision at other times, failing to recognize that what made sense to him wouldn’t work the same to the audience. Dave on the other hand fails to think through many of his creative decisions, only to realize he made a mistake years later.
Hemlock theme..
Its odd seeing Rex without his pauldron
So, what's the deal with the inhibitor chips now in this show? Have their effects worn off on most clones by this point? Does Wolffe not have one, because he seems to be acting like his normal self compared to how Jesse was in the Clone Wars finale? I haven't gotten this far in the show yet. So, I wasn't sure if they'll eventually explain it or if they already gave an answer and I perhaps missed it.
i haven't watched this show and I might be wrong but I think the chip isn't at play here maybe. Jesse was acting up because he was following protocol 66 and Rex was conspiring with a Jedi. I think they're just their normal selves here
@@pinkloverpreychips wear of with time but imperial commando we see in the show (not the hillo commando near wollfe) are loyal
i didnt see this episode. can anyone explain to me why there is commando there alongside the clones? what his purpose?
The Commandos are training the first generation of Stormtroopers. They also guard top-secret, susceptible areas and operate in high-value missions. They are this era’s counterpart to the Death Trooper and Dark Trooper.
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I’ve watched this scene a buncha times, but not the full episode. Is that particular commando clone more a shiny?
You've got to watch the whole series! It's fantastic!
we need a series for rex and the other clones...
This should have been a way bigger deal that it was treated as.
Bataille des plaines d'Abraham
I like to partly think how wolffe and his troopers acted like they did is because of the clout/respect the 501st and rex earnt in the war especially if you include the original battlefront 2 campaign journal nartion where it says the 501st got the best of the war but also the worst. If you're a soldier in the same army and know the records anyone who survived in the 501st legion would have the respect deserved from any and all
In Rebels Wolf removes his chip and joins Gregor and Rex. When did this happen?
Probably shortly after the show he leaves and joins Rex, Echo, and Gregor. I imagine after this confrontation with defector clones he reflects on Order 66. Now, Wolffe wasn't the one who killed Plo Koon, that was Captain Jag in an ARC-170. But it isn't unlikely that he was also on Cato Neimodia and maybe so were a few other Jedi who he might have started a search party for, being a commander.
I honestly think we will probably get another animated spinoff series set after Bad Batch but before Rebels, about his Clone Rebellion, how Wolffe joins, how they presumably fail, lose Echo, and end up where they are in Rebels, alone.
Will wolfe get his chip out
I don't think it matters now since the clones are developing stronger morals
@@skywolfx76its gives a clone independent rational think
The chip already serves it purposes and burnt out once order 66 was executed
Where's Comet 😢
who’s that commando on rex’s ship?
Gregor
What's the synthwave music that plays at the end?
Blue Loop by Stiig
Captain Rex: You're hunting a child...
Vader: I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I HATE THEM.
This should be called Omega and the Bad Batch since everything is about Omega.
I hope wolf see’s echo again
Ever since plo koon died
Wolffe knows about Echo?
I want to know how he joined Rex in Rebels
Where’s Ahsoka
I am confused do they have chips or not seems like they don't
They would’ve worn off by now
Why are they letting them go?
Because he respects Rex and the other clones as his brothers. Rex convinced Wolffe to do the "right" thing, and he decided to let them go in an honorable manner.
for fuck's sake when will lego make more bad batch sets I want a lego clone resistance. maybe it's for the best, GCC products are superior lol
Lego did sw dirty
Wolffe is a jerk (never liked him since he stunned Ahsoka), but at least he did the right thing here. I hope there's a third Clone show so we can see how he left the Empire.
He should have said open your eye instead of open your eyes
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…wasn’t Rex part of Vader’s Fist? Why’s he gone rogue?
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Im sorry, but i hate this entire retconning of the clones.
It's much more brutal and intresting, if it's not a chip, but simply bred into them, that they don't question orders and so on.
That would also make it much more meaningful, when some clones turn to "good".
Honestly, this doesn't make sense if wolfe's inhibator chip activated. Take a look at wrecker when his activated. No thoughts, just pure follow orders. So the fact that wolfe is even talking to rex let alone let them go away really doesnt make sense.
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Wrex got demoted in rank by Jesse during CW episode victory and death, leaving him a captain once more.
@@AzureMckay threaten to demote verbally, but all of those in board would have gotten killed including Jesse before the proposed demotion would have been filed and made official.
So according to official record, Commander Rex would have died with the crew on a crashed venator.
Still a Commander all thanks to good timing.
@@alexloponte7056 commander, watch the last season of clone wars. (Was threatened not officially demoted, all involved died in a crash)
Hey guys about the commandos are the clones inside the suit or StormTroopers -anyways they have the sound module for a clone and the stormtroopers sound different to those commandos > share your thoughts below 👇
Nice plot point that goes nowhere in the show. Time was better spent on filler
why didntt they use the same animation for rebels. i cant watch rebels cos the animation is too shaite
I really hated that they killed Nemec. Something that the clone wars did right (half the time) was clone plot armor wasn’t stupid. I mean ridge survived with Rex, when Cody faced grevious one of his brothers survived too, it’s just really annoying that somehow the characters of the story are just fine & the others become fodder. Sure, kill off Samson & fireball but really, everyone but our main gang? Just seems stupid & lazy.