It's actually just conventional warfare they're returning to. Trenches are a ubiquitous feature of conventional warfare. You're usually either defending in trenches or attacking enemy trenches. Western armies temporarily got away from that while they were doing counterinsurgency in the GWOT but they were always bound to return to conventional warfare as a baseline.
We got away with it by manuevering along with fire superiority. Fortifying land you hold has been a standard since the days of slings and bows. High density troop movements supported by in depth logistics prevents trenches from being needed, like German blitzkrieg. If we had a 1 million fighter army, supported by 2 million in logistics. 12,000 rounds of COAX on M1 Abrams tank, its just sweeping along tree lines, hedgerows and drones confirming clearance.
@@1truthbegettingtold275 If you don't mind me saying but you seem to be overestimating how effective maneuver warfare can be. The Battle of France is often touted as an example of how effective blitzkrieg can be but there were a lot of factors that gave the Germans a success there not least of which was surprise at how unexpected the attack was. As a basic tactic the Germans were never able to repeat that level of success later in the war against prepared forces. Bottom line is, even when you are doing maneuver, you're not just doing a mad calvary charge. That's what got the British and Germans both in trouble in North Africa when they outran their supply lines and then had to fall back hundreds of miles. It was the same for the Americans in the early days of the Korean War when they thought they could just chase the Communists right out of Korea. You have to deliberately move your troops, set up a defensible, dug in position so you have a base you can fall back to when you finally hit a established defensive line. I know that some people point to American successes in the two Gulf Wars but they weren't exactly dealing with a competent command structure. Saddam Hussein couldn't allow competent military leaders as those would have been a threat to his position. Assuming the enemy you're going to be fighting is that stupid may be a bit of wishful thinking that could get troops killed.
Manoeuvre warfare is great if you get it done before the enemy is fully entrenched. Once they have miles of these trenches, bunkers, mines, wire etc it's nowhere near as effective.
@@Elenrai the whole conflict is as s show. Until Putin decides to withdraw or put in one giant push forward, this will be the status quo for a good few years to come.
I was talking to someone who said the Ukrainians and Russians were stupid for bringing back trench warfare but like I told him what else are they supposed to do with 1 mile+ sight lines with hardly any structures in between. It’s the only way to have cover when you’re trying to advance a front and not just patrolling from a fire base trying to get farmers to take shots at you
The problem is most modern militaries haven't fought another conventional modern force in like 75 years. They have been fighting insurgencies. Trench warfare never went anywhere. It was just most people thought we wouldn't see another conventional conflict between two modern or semi modern forces in our lifetime.
It’s a pretty unique environment geographically - it’s the steppe. Unless we’re fighting in Ukraine, on the Russian border, these are not broadly applicable skills Why they’re being taught in the BA, is bc our force is a force of trainers and consultants. Nobody is fighting in trenches here. We’re training decent men to fight slightly better in trenches there. End of. If you don’t think the MoD is a consultancy and training organisation, you aren’t looking mate. Time served. Almost career (Ret.). Now gtf
@@TheGonzogibby Armenia and Azerbaijan have gone to war several times in the past few years and they too went heavy into trenches. And Bunkers when they couldn't dig down
When you have a very long frontline and not static or you meet huge disadvantage or huge advantage in war you will not use trenchers like it was in the Russian civil war 1917-1921
Were there a lot of trenches cleared by hand in Iraq and Afghanistan? Lol at people acting like militaries were silly for de-emphasizing trench combat the last few decades.
Having served and trained in the Armed forces in the nineties, the training we got was live firing in the fire pits on the shooting range, whilst hugely smaller than a trench, it does make you realise about shooting from a safe point and how trenches however sodden save lives and give a bigger chance of a gun group to drop the enemy and gain ground. We’re trained how to use the environment that surrounds us for safety and advancement to drive or drop the enemy back. But I feel that this type of warfare should not have been dropped in the first place. After all camouflage and concealment isn’t always that easy, particularly if you are advancing from woodland into the villages or urban areas.
We always ended each big exercise with an assault on a Russian trench system (they only went up to waist height). You literally had to fight your way through in a crouched position. Very hard back breaking work, especially once clear of the trenches you then assaulted buildings.
@jairustheadventurer3935 Trash rifle? I've fired thousands upon thousands of rounds and never had a stoppage. Its incredibly accurate and manoeuvrable. I really don't get the hate
Just remember on the outbreak of WW1 Britain had a regular army of 80,000 today its 72,000 plus just over 200,000 reservists. If worst comes to worst, I honestly think Britain would be able to field an infantry force of over a million. Just as they had from 1914-1916 recruitment wise. Then having 5.5 million in the army alone served between 1914-1919.
@@Liverpool-1892. Yeah and unlike then the people who ran the country weren't arresting people for displaying the union jack down the street. Or importing and catering towards the boat people. Their military is in a recruitment crisis same as the U.S. No young men want to sign up for a nation that continues to talk about how they are the problem of society.
@@zyphod yeah i agree with what he said in terms of manpower, but our industry is not the same and equipment is far more expensive we dont have enough factories or funds to have an army nearly that big.
@@willfletch5871a 19 year old girl who was born as a male who now identifies as a 19 year old girl but because of the new 2027 laws she’s able to identify as 19 but she was actually born in 1979 as Bob who at the age off 45 decided to become 19 years old Sara so as to join the SAS and become the youngest girl ever to overcome the new tests to be chosen for the SAS, im actually a 12 years old kid but i identify as a 70 years old as I want to collect my pension
General Melchett: What seems to be the emergency Baldrick? Baldrick: Sergeant Gavin climbed into the trench! General Mechett: My Word! Stand down the company while we get an excavator!
It's good to hear them say they've learned from the Ukrainians. Too many professionals believe they know better than those who actually have done it. There is no more experienced army on the planet than the Ukrainians and Russians at this point. They should be training us.
@cjjk9142 We won't have air support either. Remove that notion. AA weapons are so good that running aircraft will be so risky and on the front the only things flying will be drones
@cjjk9142 You have that backwards. WE aren't trained on their warfare. Modern warfare. We think every enemy will be Taliban or ISIS. It's real easy to sit for 30 minutes waiting for an A-10 run when the enemy has no air defence. Fact is, even with 100% air supremacy, many firefights in Iraq and Afghanistan still received no air support or artillery support. The tactic was to bore the Taliban with csdence firing until they bugged out because the two Apahes were down for maintenance and the F-18s had to fly four hours each way from the Indian Ocean.
With (cheap) drone technology everything changed. In my time some 30 years ago every soldier dug his own foxhole. Nowadays if you bunch together in a trench you become a tempting target. New innovations will always change the battlefield.
Seriously lol. Looking at the trenches in Ukraine some of them been exchanged hands and bombarded so many times they're like knee deep. New ones are straight up holes dug in the ground.
I watched a video showing the differences between Russian and Ukranian trenches, the Ukranians were clean, organised, resourceful. The Russians were lined with litter and had rats.
@@zoiders correct, a British position was pinned down, but within sight of the gunmen, so they were ordered to fix bayonets and charge. The British won.
The platoon sergeants course was archaic in the seventies when I completed it .Short sighted thinking on the part of incompetent general staff.Blimps all of them.
Larger scale field forts will probably make a return Making a trench on a mound gives better sightlines For better cover you need complex shaps as not to create dead zones Defending a position feels like a callback to the 17th century with how good you need your cover to be
A rather long video for saying "Being blown up sucks, so soldiers tend to do their best not to be turned into pink mist" Combat can't always be a war of maneuver, so when the attrition starts or the vehicles stop, you need to be dug in to avoid being plastered across a field
Imagine living in a country where the rulers actively hate you and tell you they hate you and your way of life, yet expect you to go and fight on foreign soil in trenches for those same rulers. Orwell would have been shocked, his imagination wasnt dystopian enough.
What I love about people who fail to read about history. TRENCH WARFARE will NEVER go out of style. EVER. As long as you have men wanting to keep their body intact on a combat zone you will have trench lines and fighting holes. We just got used to maneuver warfare not two REAL armies going toe to toe like what is going on in Urkaine
i wonder how much of the corrugated metal panels(2:01 side walls) used for holding up the sides of the trenches will be so readily avail. when the real trench warfare begins because that is considered luxury items in the eyes of a Ukrainian soldier at the real trenches.
A thumbnail of a guy holding the barrel and the laser tag training module.. mmm. A weapons course and a lot of PT should probably be on the agenda soon too.
Fighting from prepared positions will never go away. Whether it is in the form of a continuous trench system or in terms of mutually supporting dug-in positions, we will always have this sort of fighting.,
Hi from Ukraine! I want to express a huge thanks to the British people! I hope these trainings will never be needed, but better to know this already. We live in historacal times as you know. I wish you all to stay safe and be so cool that you already are. God save the King! 🇬🇧❤🇺🇦
We just dug a very basic trench in the Artillery because we never stayed in one location for very long due to sound ranging & counter bombardment. Obviously the infantry will did more complicated trenches for longer stays. The Royal Engineers or Pioneer Corps back in the day helped out too with digging our Guns in which was a bigger job. No doubt the Royal Engineers will help the infantry out too when digging out more long term positions
They are built that way as they are going to be needed year after year for training so need to be robust. I remember reading a trench warfare textbook written after WW1 (there were quite a few written post war) and they basically said that the more chaotic and covered with debris the trench looked from the direction of the enemy, then the better it was, as it made life difficult for the snipers. No doubt something similar might apply today with drones, although with thermal imaging now getting more common different camouflage tactics will be needed.
They were not deep enough and without a firing step , this would cause many unnecessary casualties . We fought and perfected trench warfare in WW1 and need only read the hard won doctrines of the time on trench building and warfare such as bite and hold . These trenches were not only too low but were straight not the sawtooth type in WW1 to stop explosions moving along a trench. The Ukrainians are losing badly so I don’t think we need to take tips off them.
There is people willing to join the military, but if constription started people got no choice to Join , you got drones worried about them trenches warfare
@@danielbailey5849Public sentiment towards the government in the UK is already horrendous, if they try and institute conscription it's not going to go down well.
Trench warfare has never been a thing of the past, that's simply a misconception. It's been perhaps the single most common defensive tactic for an army since the beginning of organized warfare, and will in all likelihood continue to be.
It's always utterly baffled me why anyone thought trench warfare would go away. Modern warfare is infantry and tanks with air support and artillery. Infantry and vehicles can't cover an entire country in one day, they need to stop and when they stop they get decimated by ordnance, so they dig in, move, fall back, take ground, change direction, dig in, take more ground, fall back. Trenches are always going to exist. "buhhh what about Afghanistan" I know we lost people over there and it's sad but it wasn't a war, it was a 20 year guerrilla insurgency. There's not many proper wars since WW2 in terms of conventional combined arms. But even things like Syria, Afghan, Bosnia and Kosovo involved a bit of trench. It's never going away.
The Dutch Grebbe Line during ww2 comes to mind when reading this. Even though the Dutch already lost to the initial stages of the Nazi Germany invasion they were still able to commit to some crucial delaying actions involving trench warfare. The Finns during the winter war and well into the continuation war used trench warfare and was able to retain independence from communist influences thanks to that too, even though they lost the war they did not lose their identity and anymore of their territory since the soviet-suomi treaty of the continuation war only led to Finns reverting back to the borders of post-winter war treaty.
One war and everyone thinks it’s like that. US fights by bombing bombing bombing until there are no trenches or drone controllers left. Play what you think is modern war all you want until the gorilla enters the room.
Every single FOB/COP/PB and other types of bases had trenches and raised ground foritifications. Trench is a type of fortification. Hesco barriers are like a trench.
@@1truthbegettingtold275 Yeah they are still used everywhere but really a lot of people say that entrenchments don't exist anymore and that a lot of modern warfare has just been urban or patrolling around on foot or in armored vehicles. That is of course more predominant now but there's still been literally trenches in every conflict the world over to varying degrees. A conventional war is going to generally see them used to a greater extent which is what baffles me so much with peoples "shock". Even if war becomes almost completely autonomous in the future with drones, there will likely always still be human boots to varying extents and they'll be building trenches.
Haha was gonna say that Gavin’s a bit fat to be a squaddie? 🤣 sums up our armed forces really. The people of Britain believe our army is great but in reality it’s awful
Didnt they get rid of trench digging during training? Im sure my intake was the last to do it ...... What was it 28 hours of pure digging The ITC record was 18 hours 😅
Parapets need to be higher and with irregular silhouettes. Also need firing steps for improved firing positions.These trenches were designed to health and safety protocols and are death traps with steel sheeting guiding and channeling mortar fragments left and right.
My Great-grandad Strachan passed away in New Zealand in when I was 8 in 1982. He joined the British Army (2nd Gordons) in 1911 and was badly wounded in 1915 in the trenches. British soldiers are the best in the world! Love from NZ.
Sorry can say that again, learn what exactly, Ukraine troops got no military training, it mostly volunteers who been in the military, nato need learn drones and man power , equipment is need ,
I wouldnt recommend learning from Ukranian troops. Unless what you want to achieve is a total Volkssturm annihilation. They did surprisingly well in the early stages of the war holding off the 200k strong RF, unfortunately for them Russia can make their own aircraft, tanks and shells, meanwhile UA relied on their soviet stockpiles and now on foreign aid. NATO doctrine is not compatible with the UA war, the most we learned from this war was how 2 evenly matched armies return to trench warfare and the terror of drone warfare.
Trench warfare was the reality of Ukraine since 2015. Since 2022 every somewhat military interested person knows about it. In 2024 this video's title asks a question most subscribers can answer without skipping a beat.
A WWI era Manual of Field Engineering and German Stormtrooper tactics are far more interesting if you are serious about trench warfare. Snipers played a very important role too.
We should have a large enough airforce to give us the air superiority needed so this never becomes a reality. Sadly, this is the more ‘cost effective’ alternative that makes a politician happy.
Everyone had given up bayonet fighting by 1982…except the ‘old fashioned’ British and the French Foreign Legion; too out of date in the nuclear age. It was needed and used on the Falklands. The Argentines had no bayonets. Other armies then re introduced it to their infantry syllabus.
@@CL-vz6ch In the army we were always informed that only the British and French still taught it up until 1982 for the reasons stated. Do enlighten us please. Which other armies taught it to their infantry?
I'm shocked it's taken you guys THIS long to realise that these skills are needed again. OH and don't get me started on Armour and drones. For the life of me I don't know why has defense spending has not increased ? WHY can't the Govenment get a grip on our Borders? THE U.K. GOV needs to grow a set !
@@danieljeray8735 Because we've only a few lads/ladesses/theys/non-binaries left and 10% are 'excused boots' usually on obesity issues or failure to use the right pronoun.
Trench warfare exists when there's little maneuver and air support. The entire reason for the invention of tanks, was to get out of the static, dug-in positions of the trench lines. When you have air support as well as mechanized maneuver elements, than the need for trenches is eliminated; while good to be familiar with trench warfare, one should not get consumed or, fixated on this type of combat. Ask the Iraqi army how all their trenches worked out during DS
It's all about getting close to the enemy. Inorder to mis gender them or body shame. But also really important to post dances on Tic toc and post selfies when dying your hair blue. Lots changed in the forces since the policy makers started serving the wishes of the world economic forum.
Mis gendering?Have you not heard of the Geneva convention. In these worrying times with the threat of WWW3 looming and the Kremlins constant nuclear saber rattling. It really is a dark day when such brutality is considered to be a part of the modern arenas of conflict 😢😢😢
Trench warfare has always been relevant, it was used in both world wars and even in modern wars. It's simply that modern armies took notes from the nazis and prefer mobile warfare as opposed to static warfare because it allows for greater operational flexibility and the full use of combined arms
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Trench warfare will always exist.
When politicians agree on a stalemate
@w.s.2102 we have trench warfare now and and a stalemate in Ukraine.
What do you have to say about that Mr.Big Brains 🧠 🤔 😅
Don't write 'and' twice dummy 😊
Not when one side gets air superiority over the other, those trenches would be turned into graves.
@@w.s.2102 All politicians care about is money in their pockets.
A grim dose of reality.
I dunno corporal Kentucky fried chicken looks ready
if it is grim to you then you will be one of realities first of many causalities
Such a tough guy comment.
depends, god always has a plan for ya mate, says so in the book@@Berserker3624
@@viktor7712damn what’s with all the random hating?? He didn’t even say anything that bad you absolute clowns
It's actually just conventional warfare they're returning to. Trenches are a ubiquitous feature of conventional warfare. You're usually either defending in trenches or attacking enemy trenches. Western armies temporarily got away from that while they were doing counterinsurgency in the GWOT but they were always bound to return to conventional warfare as a baseline.
We got away with it by manuevering along with fire superiority. Fortifying land you hold has been a standard since the days of slings and bows. High density troop movements supported by in depth logistics prevents trenches from being needed, like German blitzkrieg. If we had a 1 million fighter army, supported by 2 million in logistics. 12,000 rounds of COAX on M1 Abrams tank, its just sweeping along tree lines, hedgerows and drones confirming clearance.
@@1truthbegettingtold275 If you don't mind me saying but you seem to be overestimating how effective maneuver warfare can be. The Battle of France is often touted as an example of how effective blitzkrieg can be but there were a lot of factors that gave the Germans a success there not least of which was surprise at how unexpected the attack was. As a basic tactic the Germans were never able to repeat that level of success later in the war against prepared forces.
Bottom line is, even when you are doing maneuver, you're not just doing a mad calvary charge. That's what got the British and Germans both in trouble in North Africa when they outran their supply lines and then had to fall back hundreds of miles. It was the same for the Americans in the early days of the Korean War when they thought they could just chase the Communists right out of Korea. You have to deliberately move your troops, set up a defensible, dug in position so you have a base you can fall back to when you finally hit a established defensive line.
I know that some people point to American successes in the two Gulf Wars but they weren't exactly dealing with a competent command structure. Saddam Hussein couldn't allow competent military leaders as those would have been a threat to his position. Assuming the enemy you're going to be fighting is that stupid may be a bit of wishful thinking that could get troops killed.
Manoeuvre warfare is great if you get it done before the enemy is fully entrenched. Once they have miles of these trenches, bunkers, mines, wire etc it's nowhere near as effective.
@@meme4one worst thing is, it might just make someone look at the TOG
@@Elenrai the whole conflict is as s show. Until Putin decides to withdraw or put in one giant push forward, this will be the status quo for a good few years to come.
I was talking to someone who said the Ukrainians and Russians were stupid for bringing back trench warfare but like I told him what else are they supposed to do with 1 mile+ sight lines with hardly any structures in between. It’s the only way to have cover when you’re trying to advance a front and not just patrolling from a fire base trying to get farmers to take shots at you
anyone who is a layman saying some of the most well funded armies in the world are stupid should probably not be taken too seripously
The problem is most modern militaries haven't fought another conventional modern force in like 75 years. They have been fighting insurgencies. Trench warfare never went anywhere. It was just most people thought we wouldn't see another conventional conflict between two modern or semi modern forces in our lifetime.
It’s a pretty unique environment geographically - it’s the steppe. Unless we’re fighting in Ukraine, on the Russian border, these are not broadly applicable skills
Why they’re being taught in the BA, is bc our force is a force of trainers and consultants. Nobody is fighting in trenches here. We’re training decent men to fight slightly better in trenches there.
End of.
If you don’t think the MoD is a consultancy and training organisation, you aren’t looking mate.
Time served. Almost career (Ret.). Now gtf
@@TheGonzogibby Most of Europe is flat, and last time Iran was in a war it was also Trench War
@@TheGonzogibby Armenia and Azerbaijan have gone to war several times in the past few years and they too went heavy into trenches. And Bunkers when they couldn't dig down
the trench is the most basic form of defence, whether manmade of natural they will be used in every conflict
Even in the Animatrix the war fought between man and machine over a hundred years into the future has trenches and giant laser artillery defenses
Till the plowshaped deployable shield makes a comeback, protecting and deflecting incoming fire.
Good observation, yeah it is pretty basic
When you have a very long frontline and not static or you meet huge disadvantage or huge advantage in war you will not use trenchers like it was in the Russian civil war 1917-1921
Were there a lot of trenches cleared by hand in Iraq and Afghanistan? Lol at people acting like militaries were silly for de-emphasizing trench combat the last few decades.
Having served and trained in the Armed forces in the nineties, the training we got was live firing in the fire pits on the shooting range, whilst hugely smaller than a trench, it does make you realise about shooting from a safe point and how trenches however sodden save lives and give a bigger chance of a gun group to drop the enemy and gain ground. We’re trained how to use the environment that surrounds us for safety and advancement to drive or drop the enemy back. But I feel that this type of warfare should not have been dropped in the first place. After all camouflage and concealment isn’t always that easy, particularly if you are advancing from woodland into the villages or urban areas.
Ironically, that trash rifle works ok for trench warfare... range at distance, compact for tight quarters.
Right arm only for confined spaces? Good luck with it!
You weren't infantry then.
We always ended each big exercise with an assault on a Russian trench system (they only went up to waist height). You literally had to fight your way through in a crouched position. Very hard back breaking work, especially once clear of the trenches you then assaulted buildings.
@jairustheadventurer3935 Trash rifle? I've fired thousands upon thousands of rounds and never had a stoppage. Its incredibly accurate and manoeuvrable. I really don't get the hate
They need a army in the first place to man said trench.
"Person" the trench, you bigot!
Just remember on the outbreak of WW1 Britain had a regular army of 80,000 today its 72,000 plus just over 200,000 reservists. If worst comes to worst, I honestly think Britain would be able to field an infantry force of over a million. Just as they had from 1914-1916 recruitment wise. Then having 5.5 million in the army alone served between 1914-1919.
@@Liverpool-1892. Yeah and unlike then the people who ran the country weren't arresting people for displaying the union jack down the street. Or importing and catering towards the boat people. Their military is in a recruitment crisis same as the U.S. No young men want to sign up for a nation that continues to talk about how they are the problem of society.
@@Liverpool-1892. Maybe with the manpower but providing an army with support ...In the current situation, we would probably last 10 days!
@@zyphod yeah i agree with what he said in terms of manpower, but our industry is not the same and equipment is far more expensive we dont have enough factories or funds to have an army nearly that big.
Back to the old school of infantry work
Aussie here- Good on ya lads
My great grandfather fought in the British army at the Somme I wonder what he would think today.
He’d be thinking why the hell am I being led by a nineteen year old girl that can’t carry a GPMG
@@willfletch5871a 19 year old girl who was born as a male who now identifies as a 19 year old girl but because of the new 2027 laws she’s able to identify as 19 but she was actually born in 1979 as Bob who at the age off 45 decided to become 19 years old Sara so as to join the SAS and become the youngest girl ever to overcome the new tests to be chosen for the SAS, im actually a 12 years old kid but i identify as a 70 years old as I want to collect my pension
@@Kenny-z4z7o.. if I didn't know better I might think you were pulling our leg :o)
😂😂😂😂quite crafty there mate@@Kenny-z4z7o
@@Kenny-z4z7oI'm a sloth. Don't tell me to work faster. I'm a sloth.
General Melchett: What seems to be the emergency Baldrick?
Baldrick: Sergeant Gavin climbed into the trench!
General Mechett: My Word! Stand down the company while we get an excavator!
Remember a few years ago, PM Bojo said the days of tank and trench warfare in Europe were over, and thus began to continue cuts.
Look where we are now
Bojo closed 10 London fire stations and removed 400 frontline firefighters from duty
He was a Traitor, who lied to get in power and done nothing but implement WEF agendas.
@bhante1345Why surrender to Russia?
yeah they should have given up and conceded their freedom! damn you bojo! oh wait..@bhante1345
@cjjk9142 Did bullets make the human obsolete? If they did, then sure, NLAWs made the tank obsolete.
It's good to hear them say they've learned from the Ukrainians. Too many professionals believe they know better than those who actually have done it.
There is no more experienced army on the planet than the Ukrainians and Russians at this point. They should be training us.
@cjjk9142 We won't have air support either. Remove that notion. AA weapons are so good that running aircraft will be so risky and on the front the only things flying will be drones
@@mikechedzoy4866 AA weapons?
@@AlchemistOfNirnroot anti-air, are you a bot. couldn't you figure that out, since we are talking about aircraft.
@@mikechedzoy4866 Are you an A-hole?
@cjjk9142 You have that backwards. WE aren't trained on their warfare. Modern warfare. We think every enemy will be Taliban or ISIS.
It's real easy to sit for 30 minutes waiting for an A-10 run when the enemy has no air defence.
Fact is, even with 100% air supremacy, many firefights in Iraq and Afghanistan still received no air support or artillery support. The tactic was to bore the Taliban with csdence firing until they bugged out because the two Apahes were down for maintenance and the F-18s had to fly four hours each way from the Indian Ocean.
With (cheap) drone technology everything changed. In my time some 30 years ago every soldier dug his own foxhole. Nowadays if you bunch together in a trench you become a tempting target. New innovations will always change the battlefield.
We did lots of trench clearing when I served in the very late 90’s.
Yeah you probs did more than your lads in ww1
@@deeeeeeeench1209 I served in the British Army not the Yank Army 🤣
@@ghostwriter2031 well 🤣
May I just say, those trenches are DREAMY.
Just look at those corrugated lines
Seriously lol. Looking at the trenches in Ukraine some of them been exchanged hands and bombarded so many times they're like knee deep. New ones are straight up holes dug in the ground.
@@Russ92thatsvhow war trenches are, ukraine they were digging while being pushed and artillery
Might put down a deposit
I watched a video showing the differences between Russian and Ukranian trenches, the Ukranians were clean, organised, resourceful. The Russians were lined with litter and had rats.
1982 with fixed bayonets is not that long ago.
42 years ago is a bit
@@notnotadev Seems like yesterday. Same close fighting, with the added fun of drones.
Bayonets were used in Afghanistan.
The freakishly rapid and endless development of technology will only make the past seem further and further away
@@zoiders correct, a British position was pinned down, but within sight of the gunmen, so they were ordered to fix bayonets and charge. The British won.
i am ex forces and I think from my time to now - physical fitness is shocking
@@CR-rm4iythere is fat people in the military special in infantry unit , the old you are run time is longer time and fitness relaxed ,
No way has that guy passed the personal fitness test, he’d block the trench
The platoon sergeants course was archaic in the seventies when I completed it .Short sighted thinking on the part of incompetent general staff.Blimps all of them.
He ain’t raiding any trenches with that bergan counterweight
Tell him there are some buckshee rations in there and standby for action.
Pogybait on fishing rod.
😂
He’s Csjt Pisstank of the Yorkshire Pudding Regiment
😂😂
Defensive training exercises are always exhausting. Digging trenches is one of the hardest workouts you can do.
Larger scale field forts will probably make a return
Making a trench on a mound gives better sightlines
For better cover you need complex shaps as not to create dead zones
Defending a position feels like a callback to the 17th century with how good you need your cover to be
Bayonets?
Scary.
All the best and stay safe.
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last dude exposed his barrel long before he got sight down the trench. he died.
A rather long video for saying "Being blown up sucks, so soldiers tend to do their best not to be turned into pink mist"
Combat can't always be a war of maneuver, so when the attrition starts or the vehicles stop, you need to be dug in to avoid being plastered across a field
Lmao
Trench warfare is a crucial military doctrine even today
Imagine living in a country where the rulers actively hate you and tell you they hate you and your way of life, yet expect you to go and fight on foreign soil in trenches for those same rulers.
Orwell would have been shocked, his imagination wasnt dystopian enough.
That's a terrifying though: all the effort Ingsoc goes through might just not be necessary.
Humans have been doing that well before the Mesopotamians. War isn't something modern politicians invented
I know, It must suck to be ruZZian
I didn’t see any women with lesbian moms in that exercise. What are they thinking? Don’t they want to win the next war?
What are you talking about
What I love about people who fail to read about history. TRENCH WARFARE will NEVER go out of style. EVER. As long as you have men wanting to keep their body intact on a combat zone you will have trench lines and fighting holes. We just got used to maneuver warfare not two REAL armies going toe to toe like what is going on in Urkaine
Brings back memories of trench foot after living in one for a week in deep water
i wonder how much of the corrugated metal panels(2:01 side walls) used for holding up the sides of the trenches will be so readily avail. when the real trench warfare begins because that is considered luxury items in the eyes of a Ukrainian soldier at the real trenches.
This is heartbreaking
A thumbnail of a guy holding the barrel and the laser tag training module.. mmm. A weapons course and a lot of PT should probably be on the agenda soon too.
Holding the barrel these days seems quite common. PT definitely, these guys are all too heavy to move quickly for long periods.
Holding out in front is a current technique for quick transitioning between targets at short range.
Fighting from prepared positions will never go away. Whether it is in the form of a continuous trench system or in terms of mutually supporting dug-in positions, we will always have this sort of fighting.,
Hi from Ukraine! I want to express a huge thanks to the British people! I hope these trainings will never be needed, but better to know this already. We live in historacal times as you know. I wish you all to stay safe and be so cool that you already are. God save the King! 🇬🇧❤🇺🇦
How are you doing there? Take care
Trench warfare has been around for centuries and has never gone away.
I highly doubt they will find such well built and clean trenches in a real world scenario....
We just dug a very basic trench in the Artillery because we never stayed in one location for very long due to sound ranging & counter bombardment.
Obviously the infantry will did more complicated trenches for longer stays.
The Royal Engineers or Pioneer Corps back in the day helped out too with digging our Guns in which was a bigger job.
No doubt the Royal Engineers will help the infantry out too when digging out more long term positions
They are built that way as they are going to be needed year after year for training so need to be robust. I remember reading a trench warfare textbook written after WW1 (there were quite a few written post war) and they basically said that the more chaotic and covered with debris the trench looked from the direction of the enemy, then the better it was, as it made life difficult for the snipers. No doubt something similar might apply today with drones, although with thermal imaging now getting more common different camouflage tactics will be needed.
@@Pesmog Hey, what was that book you read? It sounds interesting
They were not deep enough and without a firing step , this would cause many unnecessary casualties . We fought and perfected trench warfare in WW1 and need only read the hard won doctrines of the time on trench building and warfare such as bite and hold . These trenches were not only too low but were straight not the sawtooth type in WW1 to stop explosions moving along a trench. The Ukrainians are losing badly so I don’t think we need to take tips off them.
Give it time, the trenches there were condemned last year. This is a rebuild
Fibua was full of lessons learned in the trenches now it's the opposite. Bullpups seem the way to go in such confined spaces.
'new focus' i won't forget the consecutive days of digging trenches in CBRN kit. Infantry know what I mean
that bloke at 2:51 is going to lose his hand...
Problem now is of course. Getting anyone to go in said trench. Seeing as we no longer have country to fight for anymore.
There is people willing to join the military, but if constription started people got no choice to Join , you got drones worried about them trenches warfare
@@danielbailey5849Public sentiment towards the government in the UK is already horrendous, if they try and institute conscription it's not going to go down well.
@@danielbailey5849 Those willing to join up are alienated by the Government, most would not fight now.
Big fella with the gopping beret and barrel of a stomach ain’t raiding any trenches anytime soon 😂
Trench warfare has never been a thing of the past, that's simply a misconception. It's been perhaps the single most common defensive tactic for an army since the beginning of organized warfare, and will in all likelihood continue to be.
Also the question of large minefields, rivers and dump areas and civilian shelters
It's always utterly baffled me why anyone thought trench warfare would go away. Modern warfare is infantry and tanks with air support and artillery. Infantry and vehicles can't cover an entire country in one day, they need to stop and when they stop they get decimated by ordnance, so they dig in, move, fall back, take ground, change direction, dig in, take more ground, fall back. Trenches are always going to exist. "buhhh what about Afghanistan" I know we lost people over there and it's sad but it wasn't a war, it was a 20 year guerrilla insurgency. There's not many proper wars since WW2 in terms of conventional combined arms. But even things like Syria, Afghan, Bosnia and Kosovo involved a bit of trench. It's never going away.
The Dutch Grebbe Line during ww2 comes to mind when reading this. Even though the Dutch already lost to the initial stages of the Nazi Germany invasion they were still able to commit to some crucial delaying actions involving trench warfare. The Finns during the winter war and well into the continuation war used trench warfare and was able to retain independence from communist influences thanks to that too, even though they lost the war they did not lose their identity and anymore of their territory since the soviet-suomi treaty of the continuation war only led to Finns reverting back to the borders of post-winter war treaty.
One war and everyone thinks it’s like that. US fights by bombing bombing bombing until there are no trenches or drone controllers left. Play what you think is modern war all you want until the gorilla enters the room.
Dude have you seen WW2?
Just because Ukraine and Russia both have a nonexistent airforce, doesn't mean the rest of the world does.
Every single FOB/COP/PB and other types of bases had trenches and raised ground foritifications. Trench is a type of fortification. Hesco barriers are like a trench.
@@1truthbegettingtold275 Yeah they are still used everywhere but really a lot of people say that entrenchments don't exist anymore and that a lot of modern warfare has just been urban or patrolling around on foot or in armored vehicles. That is of course more predominant now but there's still been literally trenches in every conflict the world over to varying degrees. A conventional war is going to generally see them used to a greater extent which is what baffles me so much with peoples "shock". Even if war becomes almost completely autonomous in the future with drones, there will likely always still be human boots to varying extents and they'll be building trenches.
Definitely didn't have the return of trench warfare on my bingo card before February 2022
Gavin is a former member of MealTeamSix
😂 if they build trenches a bit skinnier me and gav will be in retreat
Haha was gonna say that Gavin’s a bit fat to be a squaddie? 🤣 sums up our armed forces really. The people of Britain believe our army is great but in reality it’s awful
The army is still great
He's British so SBS (Special Burger Service)
Trenches will never be a thing of the past as long as infantry and dirt will exist.
Is it normal to have your hand wrapped around the muzzle break/ BFA in this case?
No lol
What is being done to counter FPV drones? They are the best way of taking out enemy in a trench these days
I thought it would all be hover tanks and orbital strikes by 2024?
The orbital tech card is apparently only worth revealing on allied civilian infrastructure.
I like how the thumbnail shows how prepared the British are for war, a soldier holding the barrel of his rifle…
Trench warfare, in todays technical age, with drones, pin point artillery, missles.. that chubby instructor wont fit in a trench!
Didnt they get rid of trench digging during training? Im sure my intake was the last to do it ......
What was it 28 hours of pure digging
The ITC record was 18 hours 😅
No.
Good lads, look well equipped and ready for business. Interesting to hear how our trenches are built different to expose enemies!
Get rid of those rifles
The entire British army there about 50 troops strong
Half are extras from Albert Square.
100 if you count in kilos
Parapets need to be higher and with irregular silhouettes. Also need firing steps for improved firing positions.These trenches were designed to health and safety protocols and are death traps with steel sheeting guiding and channeling mortar fragments left and right.
3:00 what is that grip lol
Warms your hands up.
Very quickly.
I'm so glad the Militaries of the West are paying attention to what's going on and training for it.
Great to see NATO partners sharing in the training (I'm assuming that bloke with the cap badge over his ear is from some foreign army?).
Damn - my grandad would recognise this. Grim indeed.
Let’s be honest, colour gavin Dillon is not a CQB specialist with that silhouette hahahah
😂😂
The big man likes a pie.
All we need is "It's a long way to Tipperary" playing.
British Army🇬🇧 Best Army in the world!!!
Unfortunately there will be more people at this year's FACUP final at Wembley, than the British Army can put boots on the ground tomorrow......
not for 30 years
That's a worrying thought @@martinthomas2759
My Great-grandad Strachan passed away in New Zealand in when I was 8 in 1982. He joined the British Army (2nd Gordons) in 1911 and was badly wounded in 1915 in the trenches. British soldiers are the best in the world! Love from NZ.
Shocking beret on that instructor. Why are line infantry regiments wearing their berets like paras? 🤦
That's what I came here to say ..🤦🏻
He wasn't exactly built for speed either.
It’s been like that for ages now. No more capbadge in the centre of the head 🤣
look at the mans weight...some leader he is. where will he lead his men? form the front of the buffet table?
@@Berserker3624 he probably fits inside a trench like a cork in a wine bottle...
That shot at 1:09 is a shot of all the British Armed Forces personnel combined.
Does the British dress code say that the beret must be pulled over the eyebrows?😂🤔
It's absolutely shocking looking ...
dont have the manpower to fill trenches tho lmao
NATO could learn a lot from experienced Ukrainian troops.
Sorry can say that again, learn what exactly, Ukraine troops got no military training, it mostly volunteers who been in the military, nato need learn drones and man power , equipment is need ,
I wouldnt recommend learning from Ukranian troops. Unless what you want to achieve is a total Volkssturm annihilation. They did surprisingly well in the early stages of the war holding off the 200k strong RF, unfortunately for them Russia can make their own aircraft, tanks and shells, meanwhile UA relied on their soviet stockpiles and now on foreign aid. NATO doctrine is not compatible with the UA war, the most we learned from this war was how 2 evenly matched armies return to trench warfare and the terror of drone warfare.
So professional but so many have died for Queen and King. Very well supplied and supported.
Didn’t know the French foreign legion were teaching British troops ?
Same lols
Trench wars never go out of style
Sending british troops to the trenches was a waste in the first place... over 100 years later and they are still making the same mistake
It never was in the past as a ex infantry man I remember the intense trench warfare training
3:01 why is he holding the barrel
Why not?
@@heycidskyja4668 because that's where the hot gasses come out 😂
@@Osama-Bon-Jovi-01 hand warmer
Trench warfare was the reality of Ukraine since 2015. Since 2022 every somewhat military interested person knows about it. In 2024 this video's title asks a question most subscribers can answer without skipping a beat.
At least with so few personnel the army won’t have to dig many trenches, every cloud and all that. 😂
The effect use of drones by Ukraine changes the game completely on trench warfare unless the threat can be countered!
Lets be honest, we are not in a good place right now !!
in what way?
@@BreakingWhiteour army size is pathetic.
@@joeynyesss1286Sgt. Gavin is doing his best to make up for that!
@@BreakingWhite No National Air defence and a small army and a cost of living crisis !!
@@paulmint1775 what defence spending is ideal then? 2.5%?
A WWI era Manual of Field Engineering and German Stormtrooper tactics are far more interesting if you are serious about trench warfare. Snipers played a very important role too.
We should have a large enough airforce to give us the air superiority needed so this never becomes a reality. Sadly, this is the more ‘cost effective’ alternative that makes a politician happy.
Modern Anti air weapons means no one will have air superiority.
You will never achieve air superiority in a war against another country. AA systems just too good nowadays. So the trench warfare is the reality.
The Royal Navy has fewer men than the US Coast Guard.
While the politicians line there pockets
RAF Halton still a training trench from WW1,it is near the 30m range and New Workshop,.
I feel sorry for anyone in the army. Barely got a country lwft to fight for
Everyone had given up bayonet fighting by 1982…except the ‘old fashioned’ British and the French Foreign Legion; too out of date in the nuclear age. It was needed and used on the Falklands. The Argentines had no bayonets. Other armies then re introduced it to their infantry syllabus.
Wrong. Bayonet training was still a feature much later.
@@CL-vz6ch In the army we were always informed that only the British and French still taught it up until 1982 for the reasons stated. Do enlighten us please. Which other armies taught it to their infantry?
I'm shocked it's taken you guys THIS long to realise that these skills are needed again. OH and don't get me started on Armour and drones.
For the life of me I don't know why has defense spending has not increased ?
WHY can't the Govenment get a grip on our Borders?
THE U.K. GOV needs to grow a set !
How fast it all come round, ive gone from fob training, to conventional and now trench lol
These UK guys won't be assaulting any entrenchments any time soon.
Why?
bc war is most unlikely@@danieljeray8735
@@danieljeray8735 Because we've only a few lads/ladesses/theys/non-binaries left and 10% are 'excused boots' usually on obesity issues or failure to use the right pronoun.
@@danieljeray8735 Poor economy and no logistical sustainment.
@@danieljeray8735 When Thatcher sold off Royal Ordinance most of the 16 factories closed as land worth more than business and cost price.
aw man world war 3 is gonna suck
😂😂😂 guy built like an unsmashed hamburger..
stunned. The standard of that Csgt..... we will loose
From the look at that "color Seargent" it seems a cut in rations might be in order. lol. The weight watchers regiment. "Send em in...."
He thinks BFT means burger fries to - go
Colour Sargent
@@liveuk Colour Sergeant
@@adamsully5779 :P :)
@@IanJames-w2p Here we go again. Everyone arguing over spelling not the utterly pathetic state of our useless armed forces. It's cut to the bone!
All that is missing are the biplanes and broadie helmets, I hear the Maxim is still in use....😊
Why take the King's shilling if the King's government implicitly hates the stock from which the majority of soldiers are drawn?
Trench warfare exists when there's little maneuver and air support. The entire reason for the invention of tanks, was to get out of the static, dug-in positions of the trench lines. When you have air support as well as mechanized maneuver elements, than the need for trenches is eliminated; while good to be familiar with trench warfare, one should not get consumed or, fixated on this type of combat. Ask the Iraqi army how all their trenches worked out during DS
It's all about getting close to the enemy. Inorder to mis gender them or body shame. But also really important to post dances on Tic toc and post selfies when dying your hair blue. Lots changed in the forces since the policy makers started serving the wishes of the world economic forum.
Mis gendering?Have you not heard of the Geneva convention.
In these worrying times with the threat of WWW3 looming and the Kremlins constant nuclear saber rattling. It really is a dark day when such brutality is considered to be a part of the modern arenas of conflict 😢😢😢
this n'wah ain't seen grass since covid
01:15 - imagine going to school with that backpack😁
Britain still has an army?
Surprising isn’t it.
Trench warfare has always been relevant, it was used in both world wars and even in modern wars. It's simply that modern armies took notes from the nazis and prefer mobile warfare as opposed to static warfare because it allows for greater operational flexibility and the full use of combined arms