If drugs are the primary factor, wouldn’t she need to be a hyper-responder to PEDs? Plenty of elite-level women have been popped for PEDs and didn’t run that fast.
Disagree only a few athletd in the top 25 among half marathon 10K and marathon runner had been doping one of them Rhonex Kipruto. I might recall 2 or 3 runners in the World majors and world record competions but it is rare. Less the 1%.
As usual, time will tell. Let's wait and see how she would do in the next race. If her time is consistent with what she had achieved at Chicago, than she deserves all the rewards and praise.
That will be VERY interesting. She will have some heavy expectations following her so I doubt she would achieve a time close to her time even if it was a natural performance. As you say, time will tell...
Marathon running is difficult and you can only race once maybe twice a year at this level. Performance can vary for women because of the cycle/period too.
I like that this video does not apodictically suggest “doping”. There is a rule that a person is innocent until/unless proven guilty. If she breached the rules, she deserves condemnation. If she didn’t, I.e. unless it’s proven, she deserves respect for her achievement.
It takes at least 5 years of marathon training to start fulfilling marathon potential. Wearing super shoes in training is allowing for higher volumes of workload and huge advances in nutrition is helping to push the boundaries. We’ll start seeing more performances like this as athletes come to the end of the first 5 year cycle of reaping these benefits
@@AntonHMirafsari😅 get serious. I don't see improvement in hobby/amateur events. Actually, it was harder decades ago to make the podium. At least where I live.
I am sure super shoes and nutrition have helped her train much more a lot but I doubt this is the only explanation - it is much too big a jump and far too sudden.
@@jimmybondy9450 I’ve just looked, the volume of people running a sub 15min 5k is massive compared to 30 years ago - how long has it been again since Paula ran 2:15? Anyway, she ran the time and she’s not been caught. If she is caught I’ll be the first to call her a scumbag, but for now she’s innocent until proven guilty!
@@AntonHMirafsari well, the WR in men's marathon was lowerd by ~2:20 minutes in the last 10 years, in the 10 years before that it was ~2:00 minutes, so there was about the same progression. not to mention in men's 5000m and 10000m there was almost no progression in the last 20 (!) years... btw, a lot of experts strictly do NOT recommend to do workouts in "supershoes".
Her biggest error was going so far below the current record. Had she broken it by 10-30 seconds no one would have doubted her. She got greedy and deserves all the criticism.
You missing the factor to combine all those improvements. I bet you that we will see 10-15 event by 2030 in which women women will run inbetween 2:10 which it was and low 2:13
Just my thoughts, I can easily be wrong, just throwing that thought here: perhaps she intentionally slowed down in the second half to not break the record with even more time to spare? 🤔She looked super fresh at the end of huge PR and WR... 🙄
1:57 is the theoretical minimum. She is about 13 full seconds below that mark. Until that time is reached nothing you have said here and no other externalities matter. Rephrase the whole argument by saying she ran 13 seconds above the human minimum.
I wouldn't consider him a hyper-responder. US Postal were the best team in cycling by a decent margin because it was so well funded. Lance was never the strongest at anything specific. He was just great at everything. What we see from Tadej and Jonas is far more extreme than anything we saw in the 'old days'.
Haha here just after her record has been ratified by World Athletics. If it's the shoes one should be able to get a pair and join the women's marathon and try beating her record. Im sure it's not that hard since anything goes for a woman nowadays in the west.
Hahaha never failed a drug test ! That means nothing ! Micro dosing ! My previous comment on the athlete did this and always stated he never failed a drug test. Modern medical methods must have improved since those days to further mask the use of PEDs.
Yeah as I said in the video, every athlete caught for doping has "never failed a drugs test" until they have. Felt it was still important to mention as there is no direct evidence for her doping yet, just reasonable speculation based off her unprecedented progression
Good breakdown. She would have to be a super responder to all the suggested benefits, shoes, drafting, hydrogel. To run 64 mins and then another 65 is crazy. Very few women can run either of those times alone.
Super shoe stack height does change with shoe size, it has to, or stability would be a problem. Anyway, the likelihood she's a super shoe super-responder, a drafting super-responder, and a nutrition super-responder must be wildly small. Good video!
Exactly. In fairness, this could be a case of the "Rockstar effect" where the more genetically gifted people get the spotlight. If Chepngetich did not have these genetic gifts then she probably would not have achieved the times she did and we would not be discussing it. Unfortunately, we can never really know - happy you enjoyed the video!
My argument isn't so much that I believe firmly she's not doping, but more so the fact that you could literally take any current track and field world record and dissect them the same way as this one, for different reasons of course but you still can. So for me, if you think she's doping then all the current world record holders were/are. Usain bolt? Four of the fastest five men ever in 100m got done for doping, guess which one didn't? Florence Griffith Joyners 200m world record is 36 years old!!!! Armand Duplantis? Dude is 10cm clear of the next highest ever pole vaulter and Armand has the 10 highest jumps ever. You could take any running record also, because even if there was not significant progression, you can't forget that there's still runners who will make it to an Olympic or world athletic track final who won't even place that are doping, so how can the people that placed be clean? And that's before dissecting each track world record further and looking deeper Innocent till proven guilty through or they're all doping, that's how I see it
This is definitely a factor especially with Kenya's and Africa as a whole's wider doping reputation. When a european or American runs a fast time, most react positively; when an African does the same then all anyone talks about is doping. That said, I think the solution lies in giving non African athletes the same level of scrutiny rather than ignoring suspicious times by African athletes. Chepngetich is getting extra scrutiny because she is Kenyan but we cannot pretend like this performance does not warrant some real suspicion.
You are a fool, blinded by prejudice and preconceptions. Do some reading. How many elite Kenyon runners have been suspended for doping in the last two years? 30/40? How many were not caught? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and smells "fishy", it's a Kenyon runner.
@@AdamJansen786Not only that but she has been in the IAAF/IAF testing pool. Do those accusations against other mostly national level athlets apply to her.
Much more reasons then just shoes. 1. She is an experienced marathon runner and Eliud Kipchoge did run his most recent world record when he was 4 or 5 years older. So she used the time to progress. 2. Fast half marathoner she ran in top the Top 5 with her 1:04 time in instanbul in 2021. 3. Having to pacers helps a lot. Assefa had only one. 4. When Assefa and Hassan ran in thr hilly Paris Marathin they didn"t get much pacing and finished very fast despite lots of elevation. 4.She went all out you can see her braking down only in the last 5 miles. 5. Shoes she did switch from Vaporfly to Alphafly as a race shoes. 6. Great Conditions.
France's Etienne Daguinos who ran 27:04 and break European record and improved almost 80 second in half year for 10 km, is he doping then?
No, Europeans do not use steroids, only Kenyans do that, apparently.
@JavasBinga how about mo katir
@@Mrex360 Sarcasm
@@JavasBinga you double stanard, congratulations
If drugs are the primary factor, wouldn’t she need to be a hyper-responder to PEDs? Plenty of elite-level women have been popped for PEDs and didn’t run that fast.
Yes I agree - she probably would have to be. At the very least the other factors would have helped her achieve the time even if she did take PEDs.
She could have the funding for molidustat and AICAR. Or as a legal option: very high altitude simulation for sleeping.
Disagree only a few athletd in the top 25 among half marathon 10K and marathon runner had been doping one of them Rhonex Kipruto. I might recall 2 or 3 runners in the World majors and world record competions but it is rare. Less the 1%.
@@paxundpeace9970 that's just who gets caught. It might not be possible to set a clean world record.
And her record was ratified @@AdamJansen786
As usual, time will tell. Let's wait and see how she would do in the next race. If her time is consistent with what she had achieved at Chicago, than she deserves all the rewards and praise.
That will be VERY interesting. She will have some heavy expectations following her so I doubt she would achieve a time close to her time even if it was a natural performance. As you say, time will tell...
Marathon running is difficult and you can only race once maybe twice a year at this level. Performance can vary for women because of the cycle/period too.
I like that this video does not apodictically suggest “doping”. There is a rule that a person is innocent until/unless proven guilty. If she breached the rules, she deserves condemnation. If she didn’t, I.e. unless it’s proven, she deserves respect for her achievement.
I am glad it came across that way - doing my best to be as balanced as possible!
It takes at least 5 years of marathon training to start fulfilling marathon potential.
Wearing super shoes in training is allowing for higher volumes of workload and huge advances in nutrition is helping to push the boundaries.
We’ll start seeing more performances like this as athletes come to the end of the first 5 year cycle of reaping these benefits
Also I’ve seen lots of influencers go from a 3 hour marathon to a sub 2:30. They run more so they run faster.
@@AntonHMirafsari😅 get serious. I don't see improvement in hobby/amateur events.
Actually, it was harder decades ago to make the podium. At least where I live.
I am sure super shoes and nutrition have helped her train much more a lot but I doubt this is the only explanation - it is much too big a jump and far too sudden.
@@jimmybondy9450 I’ve just looked, the volume of people running a sub 15min 5k is massive compared to 30 years ago - how long has it been again since Paula ran 2:15?
Anyway, she ran the time and she’s not been caught. If she is caught I’ll be the first to call her a scumbag, but for now she’s innocent until proven guilty!
@@AntonHMirafsari well, the WR in men's marathon was lowerd by ~2:20 minutes in the last 10 years, in the 10 years before that it was ~2:00 minutes, so there was about the same progression.
not to mention in men's 5000m and 10000m there was almost no progression in the last 20 (!) years...
btw, a lot of experts strictly do NOT recommend to do workouts in "supershoes".
Her biggest error was going so far below the current record. Had she broken it by 10-30 seconds no one would have doubted her. She got greedy and deserves all the criticism.
As if you can run any better. Give credit where it's due.
Doping, doping, doping! Kiptum doped as well
Ruth and Assefa doped. No way they could run that fast.
You missing the factor to combine all those improvements.
I bet you that we will see 10-15 event by 2030 in which women women will run inbetween 2:10 which it was and low 2:13
Just my thoughts, I can easily be wrong, just throwing that thought here: perhaps she intentionally slowed down in the second half to not break the record with even more time to spare? 🤔She looked super fresh at the end of huge PR and WR... 🙄
maybe...seems it did not work too well given the reaction to the time.
1:57 is the theoretical minimum. She is about 13 full seconds below that mark.
Until that time is reached nothing you have said here and no other externalities matter.
Rephrase the whole argument by saying she ran 13 seconds above the human minimum.
Lance Armstrong was considered a super responder to PEDs.
I wouldn't consider him a hyper-responder. US Postal were the best team in cycling by a decent margin because it was so well funded.
Lance was never the strongest at anything specific. He was just great at everything.
What we see from Tadej and Jonas is far more extreme than anything we saw in the 'old days'.
Haha here just after her record has been ratified by World Athletics. If it's the shoes one should be able to get a pair and join the women's marathon and try beating her record. Im sure it's not that hard since anything goes for a woman nowadays in the west.
One advantge is that she did improve her cadance and stride very well becoming more explosive
lol an old dog don´t learn new tricks
or isa talanted youngster like asefa
she is rolled and doped to the gills improving after 10 years of being mid
Hahaha never failed a drug test ! That means nothing ! Micro dosing ! My previous comment on the athlete did this and always stated he never failed a drug test. Modern medical methods must have improved since those days to further mask the use of PEDs.
Yeah as I said in the video, every athlete caught for doping has "never failed a drugs test" until they have. Felt it was still important to mention as there is no direct evidence for her doping yet, just reasonable speculation based off her unprecedented progression
good video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good breakdown. She would have to be a super responder to all the suggested benefits, shoes, drafting, hydrogel. To run 64 mins and then another 65 is crazy. Very few women can run either of those times alone.
As you say: its possible but it does feel like we have to do a lot of explaining to understand this time. Great to hear you enjoyed the video!
On the mens side 4500 marathons had been runner faster then hers.
Super shoe stack height does change with shoe size, it has to, or stability would be a problem. Anyway, the likelihood she's a super shoe super-responder, a drafting super-responder, and a nutrition super-responder must be wildly small. Good video!
Exactly. In fairness, this could be a case of the "Rockstar effect" where the more genetically gifted people get the spotlight. If Chepngetich did not have these genetic gifts then she probably would not have achieved the times she did and we would not be discussing it. Unfortunately, we can never really know - happy you enjoyed the video!
My argument isn't so much that I believe firmly she's not doping, but more so the fact that you could literally take any current track and field world record and dissect them the same way as this one, for different reasons of course but you still can. So for me, if you think she's doping then all the current world record holders were/are. Usain bolt? Four of the fastest five men ever in 100m got done for doping, guess which one didn't?
Florence Griffith Joyners 200m world record is 36 years old!!!!
Armand Duplantis? Dude is 10cm clear of the next highest ever pole vaulter and Armand has the 10 highest jumps ever.
You could take any running record also, because even if there was not significant progression, you can't forget that there's still runners who will make it to an Olympic or world athletic track final who won't even place that are doping, so how can the people that placed be clean? And that's before dissecting each track world record further and looking deeper
Innocent till proven guilty through or they're all doping, that's how I see it
Assefa is running adidas shoes not a vaporfly it is even a bit faster
Salty
As of today, Her record is V E R I F I E D & R A T I F I E D. @ Adam Jensen delete this trash analyis and apologize or I will report you to RUclips.
she was led from beginning to almost the end by a man runner though.
Hahahahahahaha, that's a rhetorical question, right?
It seems if ur black and perform extremely well in sports it's always doping, she passed all test, but she's black so she must be cheating🙄
Tbf when was the last time a white person held a running record aside from Jakob who is essentially his dad's human science experiment?
This is definitely a factor especially with Kenya's and Africa as a whole's wider doping reputation. When a european or American runs a fast time, most react positively; when an African does the same then all anyone talks about is doping. That said, I think the solution lies in giving non African athletes the same level of scrutiny rather than ignoring suspicious times by African athletes. Chepngetich is getting extra scrutiny because she is Kenyan but we cannot pretend like this performance does not warrant some real suspicion.
You are a fool, blinded by prejudice and preconceptions. Do some reading. How many elite Kenyon runners have been suspended for doping in the last two years? 30/40? How many were not caught? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and smells "fishy", it's a Kenyon runner.
@@AdamJansen786Not only that but she has been in the IAAF/IAF testing pool. Do those accusations against other mostly national level athlets apply to her.
She was black a few months earlier, and tuned to her max.
Until there is evidence of PED's I'm more inclined to believe the super shoe argument
Fair enough! Really hope that this is the case.
Much more reasons then just shoes.
1. She is an experienced marathon runner and Eliud Kipchoge did run his most recent world record when he was 4 or 5 years older. So she used the time to progress.
2. Fast half marathoner she ran in top the Top 5 with her 1:04 time in instanbul in 2021.
3. Having to pacers helps a lot. Assefa had only one.
4. When Assefa and Hassan ran in thr hilly Paris Marathin they didn"t get much pacing and finished very fast despite lots of elevation.
4.She went all out you can see her braking down only in the last 5 miles.
5. Shoes she did switch from Vaporfly to Alphafly as a race shoes.
6. Great Conditions.