According to lore within Destiny, all of Bungies games exist within something known as the paraverse, that pod in the 30th anniversary IS at least a Master Chief pod as the Magnum found within is stated to be designed for an augmented human
I thought of the paraverse as a sort of conjunction of random stuff being pulled from different universes into (what is being called) Eternity. Like the BXR or Half-Trulfs/Other-Half could be from A Halo universe.
They don't even add center UI options for ultrawide users, or any way to center the hud for that matter. At least 343i did something right in that regards.
Took the words out of my mouth. It’s incredibly simple. Nearly the entirety of bungies employee roster was made up of actual HALO FANS. 343 is just as soulless as EA, just a company trying to make money off an IP they bought
Yeah, not how I'd phrase it, but my thoughts exactly. No other dev could make a classic Halo, or a new Halo that the series fans will love. Bungie loved their baby, 343 eats babies.
@@Sharkaiju nah they don't own the rights to ideas, thats what most shit in this industry comes down to, its how cod and battlefield don't go at each other's throats
@@Sharkaiju considering megablox aren't owned by Lego and the fact the halo franchise already has a deal with them (there are plenty of megablox sets for halo related things), then it actually wouldn't be an issue.
I dunno man, i liked Half-Life: Opposing Force. A halo game by them, would be pretty epic. They'd probably finally open the flood gates, too. Something 343 has failed to do.
@@callumkristofer7793 90's/early 2000's gearbox is NOT the same gearbox as today. Gearbox is one of the worst devs you could go to. Far worse than 343 and that's saying a lot.
I enjoy the idea of the Bungieverse. I would love to see a more in depth overview of the theory. Hopefully it catches on, knowing bungie they might even lean into it a bit more as they did with Destiny and the 30th anniversary of the studio.
its quite simple, the original bungie halo reach all the way to halo 3 story line. then chief actually dies at the end of 3 despite what the legendary ending made it seem.
@@deathpiggy101 i think its a nice theory, halo CE, 2 & 3 is one continuous story spanning 139 days. dying in the Forward unto dawn Frigate wouldve been a deserving warriors death and a fantastic end to a trilogy followed by a preqel to wrap things up in a tied neat bow. call me a bungotard for enjoying the franchise in its original unchanged state. 343I has done nothing but pump out Halo games that disgrace the halo franchise. bungie had the passion of telling a story, 343i has making a quick buck off of nostalgia driven fans.
I started on the gearbox forms right after the port was released. Learned how to use the Halo editing kit I freaking loved it. And 20 years later I'm still at home making Halo content and other video game content and even windows content. I would have never learned anything if it wasn't for the gear Box community.
Gearbox doing other people’s IP’s would be a nightmare, since there’s a whole history of other people’s IP they make, being bad. They’re only good with their own IP like borderlands.
I think gearbox would have been a real mixed bag. They are certainly capable of making a really fun and rich FPS experience. But on the other hand(s) they've had some oddities and I'm not sure Gearbox would have enough creative freedom to make their Halo shine. The Coalition could make a good Halo, but if I had to choose a second studio it would be Certain Affinity.
I think gearbox could have done it well. For example, Half-Life: Opposing Force was a pretty good addition to the Half-Life timeline. If they were allowed to do the same with Halo, idk. Maybe we could see them try to introduce Race X there as well. God, a crossover between HL and Halo would be epic.
I used to absolutely love halo when I was like 8-12 years old. I spent countless hours playing halo 3 as a kid. I remember being in 6th grade , so excited for halo 4. I didn’t really pay attention to the fact that halo was taken over by 343. But I do remember I completely stopped playing once they did. Now I play infinite, and am starting to feel the same way…
Halo never should have been a live service . Halo first and foremost is a fun party game. This over focus on competitive is taking out all the fun Gone are all the community features like pre and post game lobbies, working theater and forge modes. Missing options and playlists and having cosmetics tied behind a crappy fartnite styled battle pass paywall! Instead of having those cosmetics earned by gameplay. The focus on everything other then halo. Wanting to change the core gameplay . I truly hate 343 for destroying this franchise. I'd rather halo disappear then have it's corpse continually beat by Bonnie Ross and co
I haven't been happy with 343 ever since they took the franchise. They are incompetent. They ignore all negative feedback. They admitted to hiring people who hate halo to form the core of the studio.... They have a Kathleen kennedy/Anita sarkessian in BONNIE ROSS WHO EMPHASIZES DIVERSITY HIRES! I TRULY HATE 343 FOR RUINING HALO . 343 ARE LYING SCUMBAGS. THEY NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM THE FRANCHISE. F THIS COMPANY
@@wadedewell well A, Bonnie Ross is gone And B, 343 are the reason Halo MCC exist and the reason you can play the 360 titles on next gen consoles. Without them, when the og Servers got shut down in january this year you would just have to suck it up. No more Halo 3/Reach Multiplayer anymore. So, you win some you lose some.
I love id software games but that would really really suck because they probably would never make doom/quake/Wolfenstein again. Microsoft would just have them do halo over and over
You gotta remember gearbox use to be the go to for outsourcing, look at the half life dlc and console ports, same with other game ports, I think back then games were made for fun as hobbies, but now everyone sees the money they make so video games have been turned into cash cows, I think this has happened to basically every top teir studio. I believe its just how the industry has evolved into sadly.
It's funny to learn about something... critical to the story of halo. c-3 sabertooth did a vid on it recently, but here's the TLDR of his 1 hour video. Frank o'conner, is one of very few bungie employees who found work at 343, jumping ship while bungie finished halo reach. He is attributed to the didact and librarian terminal entries in halo 3, those that contradict the whole concept of humanity being the children of the forerunners, AS STATED BY THE GRAVEMIND, and guilty spark among others, by stating humanity existed before the forerunners found them. His is the only source that contradicts humanity being descendents or otherwise creations of the forerunners. he ended up in a position where he has a vast degree of creative control at 343... and thus it was his vision of halo that was carried forth. And from a lore perspective... caused so many of the issues I had with halo 4's campaign and beyond. Redesign the jackals? new subspecies, never before seen obviously. Redesign the elites, including arbiter? Clearly also the new subspecies, don't ask questions where the old ones went. completely change the design of chiefs armour and the wreck he was on in between games for no explainable reason or method? Oh, and the weapons found on board too? and the whole, if humans are not the creations of the forerunners, and thus, not a threat to the prophet's power, why did the covenant genocide humanity? I'll bet almost all of that can be attributed to the meddler that is frank o'conner.
As fun as this idea may be on a surface level, I feel like this whole shared universe/multiverse thing is on par with the whole "walking dead and breaking bad is in the same universe" or "fallout and elder scrolls are in the same universe" theory. You're taking something that's a subtle nod to something else(guns that look similar, armor that's similar, and other references like the pod) and assuming it's a connection, when in reality using occam's razor, it's really only just an Easter egg. I don't think there's much else to it, personally. Not to mention the world building is completely different in all of the Bungie games, coupled with the fact there's not a trace of human covenant war in destiny. Another thing to note with halo, with the Bungie titles, whatever happens in the games is canon, the books are only optional at best. Which is why halo reach deeply contradicts the fall of reach, because Bungie never saw the books as a reliable source.
I think at this point Halo 1, 2 and 3 is my most titles to play to this day. If I don’t have at least 20,000 hours or more played throughout there timelines I think it would be way more. Halo Reach was my final favourite halo title and it’s where I completely left the multiplayer but I loved Speedrun the game as well as doing goofy ideas with friends. To this day I’ve only ever played Halo 4 campaign once that I don’t even remember what the hell happens and never touched the MP. Halo 5 I played it for about an hour and when Halo infinite got announced I completely forgot that halo 5 existed and that 4 was there last title! That’s how much I’ve drifted away since bungie left it’s old titles. I still play the MCC occasionally, it’s the only title worth playing for me. I wish it was 2007/08 when I would finish school and hop on with friends till midnight on halo 3 doing custom maps, doing silly stuff on MP and 4 player coop where we would just do glitches constantly or we even used to compete against each other on who could get a better time on certain levels. That was the good old halo and honestly the series is dying the Longer it goes on.
@@NotSweetland probably that storyline. The sequels REALLY hurt the brand for general audiences up until Mandalorian... and it looks like Mando is gonna be milked and ruined, too :/ Not Star Wars as a whole tho. The Skywalker Saga should've ended and spin offs / new major sagas should've been made
@@NotSweetland Not at all. Episodes 1-3 and 4-6 were George Lucas' vision. Halo 1-3 plus ODST and Reach were within Bungie's vision. It is not how you say it. Like how star wars should have ended at 6, Master chief's story should've ended at 3.
Can someone please explain to me why people feel the need to contrive ways for retcons to be canon? Why do you need a multiverse to reconcile how over the course of 21 years a video game franchise with multiple dev teams changed graphically? Does this really add anything for people? I genuinely do not understand this
If you really want to know a lot about Halo history look for a book called Ringworld is a 1970 science fiction novel by Larry Niven. Most of the Halo stories based off that book. And yes marathon is a early version of Halo. In fact you will even find marathon logos inside Halo content
I hope a Halo MMO does eventually come. It's cripplingly depressing that it was cancelled, and any time it's mentioned I get really sad and really, really angry. I'd hope tat it'd be similar to Star Trek Online with being able to choose a faction/side of the war to be on, choose your race from that faction and get your own ship, getting both space and ground battles and a super in-depth character creation and outfitting system. I'd love to be a Sagheili Fleetmaster with the Swords of Sangheilios that primarily operates as a contingency against the flood and fighting the civil war with the Storm Covenant.
It's just the blind hopium talking here but I'd love to see Bungie make one more Halo game for current gen / PC. The studio has changed a lot since the classic Halo days and it would be interesting to see what would come of it. I just want a COD style situation where COD fans basically get a complete mix of COD games year on year and people play the one they like. Halo is stuck in this rut right now and needs a fresh project management approach to how games are made moving forward.
Honestly it would be interesting, I don’t think the destiny games are bad but they are so grindy and feels like a job at times and how much expansions costs has put me off. But I do think the gameplay, soundtrack and art style is great. Especially destiny 1 soundtrack when it was done by Marty.
i can see 343 doing something ballsy like rebooting 4-infinites timeline kind of like how modern warfare 19 and 22 rebooted the franchise and retold the story. Only because its a popular thing to do now, and their ship is sinking
I still don't blame 343i entirely for the issues with modern Halo titles. I mostly blame Microsoft for imposing business rules, restrictive staff policies and micro-managing game development.
Microsoft is the reason why Sea of Thieves turned out much different than intended. It was bad enough that Rare lost the original build they were working on due to an engine crash so they had to start completely from scratch. Microsoft rushed them to push out the game
I feel that it would actually be even worse than any Halo 343i could ever make(even Infinite). So I'll stick with 343i instead of Gearbox that is not exactly doing any better than 343i is doing now.
Color me surprised. Didn't know this was a thing, and while I guess Gearbox has had its issues I still think they're a good studio, with two big problems. And they're called management and the Greaselord himself, Randy Pitchford. A CEO that embezzles money into his company from another production, leaves his porn on a work USB and more can't do _any_ good. Anyway, is it just me or is the audio kinda scuffed towards the end, like an audible fan noise wasn't filtered out? It's no big deal, but wanted to mention it I forgot to mention I'd love to see more on the Bungieverse (Paraverse as Bungie themselves call it, apparently)
If 343 does do something wild and like teams with Bungie to make all games cannon and connected to each other, then i just hope they add rvb to the mix
We’d prolly still have the flood in gameplay and halo would still be rated M 343 wants money so halos been T for teen ever since, prolly why they won’t bring back the flood. Flood in gameplay=rated M
I didnt realize you posted the names at the end of the videos till you mentioned it. I usually only listen to the content at work so i dont look at the screen to often. Love the content!
We are at the point where the party game halo is gone, suddenly we are bolted into the comp fps halo scene. I wish they would, instead of making comp halo games only, I wish 343 would have gone the "expanding the universe" step and made the megablocks game, and mmo game and so on. Halo really is a game that could have the star wars treatment. Fuck it halo battlefront
343 is good at curating the existing Halo games Bungie made probably more than any company I can think of. MCC mods are going to explode even more once more modding tools and workshop support is introduced. Them making games though...
Man poor bungie in that case. Bungie fucking hated both halo and microsoft basically since shipping halo 2. They wanted 3 to be the last game and then leave microsoft for good because of halos horrible development. They where then contractually bound to one more game (halo4) and the movie (which later became district 9) After the movie got cancled and turned into district 9, they made odst a fully featured game instead of a dlc, and because they didnt want to start a new story they made a prequel instead of halo 4. If microsoft would re aquire bungie, all their efforts to leave this shit show would have been for nothing, as they would have been dragged right back into hell You can see in interviews in h2 and h3 dev logs just how tired they are of the franchise and there was that one interview where one of the guys basically outlined how detrimental halo was to the developers mental health, social situations, marital status, romantic persuits and overall quality of life. They wanted out man
@@MrMegaMetroid I mean alot of the people are probably different by now. Companies are made up of people they don't have thoughts and opinions on their own.
@@lenkagamine4145 noone said the company had thoughts on their own, what? The team that was making up the company, wanted out of halo. Those people will have hardly changed their minds. (if they even still work at bungie in the first place)
I hope they bring Cortana back. I only played infinite to see if they would be able to bring her back. I guess the new girl is kinda Cortana but she will never be Cortana in my eyes.
pretty sure thats the point, after the mess of halo 5 i think they've basically tried to wrap up that entire arc, opinions differ among people about how it was pulled off so i wont blame you for that
Considering how bad the 343 games were I'd have rather gearbox took over. That way too we also wouldn't have borderlands and so we wouldn't be in the "every game is a looter shooter because borderlands 2 did well" scenario we're in right now.
Honestly, no matter your opinion on Halo 4, 5, and Infinite... a Halo at the same quality level of Duke Nukem Forever would have killed the franchise perma dead. It would be a decade at least before a reboot was even talked about, and a sequel would have been off the table. No Halo Wars 2, no MCC, nothing.
Finding out that The Coalition was basically a second 343 Industries studio makes it funnier now how The Coalition has fucked up Gears of War just like 343 Industries has with Halo
or more like, you are playing in the destiny universe but it being filmed for, and references being part of an extended universe outside of destiny. and it contains halo guns as a reward. im sure theres more but theres not a lot of ways to read it that arent tacit confirmation of the bungie universe theory
Do you know about Duke Nukem forever 2011?? Yeah, that would be Halo. Instead of the game doing well and bitches saying "its dying" the game would be actually dead like the Duke Nukem Franchise
I dunno, isn't Gearbox the reason why Duke Nukem Forever and Aliens Colonial Marines ultimately flopped, because the budgets for those games were siphoned to bloat Borderlands 2???
i just dont understand how 343 made the decisions they did with the story choices, if you watched Halo legends they had some amazing stories that could have made great games, but it seems they wanted to re-invent the wheel and step away from the structure that made halo so good. Shit even the books have amazing stories to tell, Im just shocked they chose to pursue a story after halo 3, just seems all the sacrifices were for nothing. just makes me sad to see Halo the way it is, halo is just as big as star wars or warhammer. And it deserves the utmost respect for a developer to do the research and stay true to the lore that was established before Halo 4. It really angered me that they tried to canibalize the story from halo wars 2 to fit a new story cause they ran out of creative ideas. and this is coming from 1 developer to another.
The difference between halo legends and 343's reclaimer saga games is insane. Its hard to believe that both were overseen by the same company. Same with Halo 2 Anniversary as well in my opinion.
@@SpacenoidCentral 100% facts, what makes me sad is what happened to Joseph staten with destiny series, i feel them canning his original story really impacted his writing, he was never the same writer after that, and you can see based on the writing for halo infinite.
I don't think Halo Legends plays well in any argument supposedly in favor of 343, in fact, i think the opposite. Let's be real, Halo Legends was mostly trash, the way it also distorted the canon it was supposed to portray was like the worst of all bad omens. I can remember clearly a younger me watching Halo Legends for the first time and saying "Damn. If these guys are supposed to carry on Halo's franchise, this is not a good start. It's not even close to a good start". 10+ years later, well... it turned out a complete trainwreck.
@@yuzzo92 Uhh... Prototype? Origins? The Babysitter? The Duel? Homecoming? Didn't like any of those episodes, eh? Well thats just an opinion man. I, and many others didn't think they were trash. But what halo 4 did to the franchise and the story for halo 5? Yeah. Trash.
Honestly if 343i wasn't an option I'm pretty sure Epic Games wouldn't be real. If Microsoft was actually smart back when Epic was an actual studio they should have given the OG gears devs both Microsoft IP's tbh. I highly doubt many would complain over Halo getting gorier. XD.
"I'm not being a purist who acts like nothing happened after Halo 3!" Given the current state of the franchise, I don't think that's a controversial stance to have anymore.
343i fucked up the continuity so that bad rocket sloth had to spend half the video theorycrafting about why they decided to change details that didn't need to change at all. I'm so tired of everything this studio has ever been involved with..
I really hated a lot of the 343 retcons. In the Bungieverse, humans ARE the Forerunners-343 Guilty Spark explicitly says so before his boss battle in 3-and a lot of the convoluted crap that came after (Precursors? Spare me) would have been avoided. I’d love to get back to that version of the Halo timeline. At least I wouldn’t feel like I need to read half a dozen novels and comic books to understand what’s going on in each new campaign.
@@jimmydesouza4375 pretty sure they did it to give themselves an excuse to create a new enemy besides the flood (though as Infinite shows you don’t need a retcon for a new enemy to fight).
@@KevinGrierson Infinite is also a retcon though. Cortana explicitly said she'd enforce peace through destruction, infinite even confirms that as that's the whole reason the brute's home planet was destroyed, but then she just allows the brutes to run around with conquest fleets?
okay so: around that time 343i was created, basically became the multi media manager of halo, they managed the halo legends anime thing for example, the books, etc etc after bungie left and this whole debacle, the keys were tossed to 343i to make the games
To be fair, Halo needs to be handed to a smaller studio that does it for passion vs profit. Giving the title to a huge studio is just setting it up for failure.
According to lore within Destiny, all of Bungies games exist within something known as the paraverse, that pod in the 30th anniversary IS at least a Master Chief pod as the Magnum found within is stated to be designed for an augmented human
I thought of the paraverse as a sort of conjunction of random stuff being pulled from different universes into (what is being called) Eternity. Like the BXR or Half-Trulfs/Other-Half could be from A Halo universe.
The pod was in D1
@@Ryodarkcaster different pod, know the difference between an easter egg and a direct connection
Halo was always connected to Marathon before H3, look at the number of references.
nah man it all connects back to marathon
Honestly, Gearbox has been messing up their own pride and joy these past few years.... So I doubt this would have been anything decent anyways.
And Aliens
Somewhere in an alternate timeline:
HALO: COLONIAL MARINES
They don't even add center UI options for ultrawide users, or any way to center the hud for that matter. At least 343i did something right in that regards.
@@KalebSDay Ultrawide users are often neglected which is a shame, because it's such an amazing set of aspect ratios.
Yeah everything the make except borderlands is awful lol
I really think it all comes down to this: no gaming company has ever had as many full-time-hobbyist videogamers as Bungie.
Took the words out of my mouth. It’s incredibly simple. Nearly the entirety of bungies employee roster was made up of actual HALO FANS. 343 is just as soulless as EA, just a company trying to make money off an IP they bought
Yeah, not how I'd phrase it, but my thoughts exactly. No other dev could make a classic Halo, or a new Halo that the series fans will love. Bungie loved their baby, 343 eats babies.
@@koomell they should get it back
@@koomell what.
The only one close enough to this is Valve.
Honestly still pissed we never got the megablox game. That one actually looked like it would have been a lot of fun.
Definitely would have had legal issues with Lego Games
@@Sharkaiju nah they don't own the rights to ideas, thats what most shit in this industry comes down to, its how cod and battlefield don't go at each other's throats
@@Sharkaiju considering megablox aren't owned by Lego and the fact the halo franchise already has a deal with them (there are plenty of megablox sets for halo related things), then it actually wouldn't be an issue.
What'd you expect from 343?
@@zanesnep about tree fiddy
Thank god that didn't happen. Gearbox is one of the few companies where it would have been even worse than 343.
I've despised gearbox since the original Halo PC port.
I dunno man, i liked Half-Life: Opposing Force. A halo game by them, would be pretty epic. They'd probably finally open the flood gates, too. Something 343 has failed to do.
@@callumkristofer7793 90's/early 2000's gearbox is NOT the same gearbox as today. Gearbox is one of the worst devs you could go to. Far worse than 343 and that's saying a lot.
@@Jarekthegamingdragon they've changed?
I enjoy the idea of the Bungieverse. I would love to see a more in depth overview of the theory. Hopefully it catches on, knowing bungie they might even lean into it a bit more as they did with Destiny and the 30th anniversary of the studio.
its quite simple, the original bungie halo reach all the way to halo 3 story line. then chief actually dies at the end of 3 despite what the legendary ending made it seem.
It's not even a theory though. Just a sad coping method from Bungotards.
@@deathpiggy101 i think its a nice theory, halo CE, 2 & 3 is one continuous story spanning 139 days. dying in the Forward unto dawn Frigate wouldve been a deserving warriors death and a fantastic end to a trilogy followed by a preqel to wrap things up in a tied neat bow. call me a bungotard for enjoying the franchise in its original unchanged state. 343I has done nothing but pump out Halo games that disgrace the halo franchise. bungie had the passion of telling a story, 343i has making a quick buck off of nostalgia driven fans.
@@jacklloyd4376 Its literally not a theory though.
“Oddly , this is familiar to you, as if it were from an old dream, but you can't exactly remember...”
-Marathon Manual
Kinda sad that "cut our losses and tell a new story" sounds much better in hindsight than what ended up happening.
Randy "don't worry I think she's over 14" Pitchford being given Halo is truly the darkest timeline
I started on the gearbox forms right after the port was released. Learned how to use the Halo editing kit I freaking loved it. And 20 years later I'm still at home making Halo content and other video game content and even windows content. I would have never learned anything if it wasn't for the gear Box community.
Care to teach someone who has always wanted to use HEK? I never understood what I was doing.
Gearbox doing other people’s IP’s would be a nightmare, since there’s a whole history of other people’s IP they make, being bad.
They’re only good with their own IP like borderlands.
i mean they did the half life expansions decently too, tho that was over 20 years ago lol
@@rubysvnhalo That may be true, but i'm talking about base game development, not DLC's
I think gearbox would have been a real mixed bag. They are certainly capable of making a really fun and rich FPS experience. But on the other hand(s) they've had some oddities and I'm not sure Gearbox would have enough creative freedom to make their Halo shine. The Coalition could make a good Halo, but if I had to choose a second studio it would be Certain Affinity.
The Coalition, for all of their faults, have at least made sure that Gears of War still looks like itself and still plays like itself.
I think gearbox could have done it well. For example, Half-Life: Opposing Force was a pretty good addition to the Half-Life timeline. If they were allowed to do the same with Halo, idk. Maybe we could see them try to introduce Race X there as well.
God, a crossover between HL and Halo would be epic.
I think Insomniac or iD software could fit as Halo devs.
I used to absolutely love halo when I was like 8-12 years old. I spent countless hours playing halo 3 as a kid. I remember being in 6th grade , so excited for halo 4. I didn’t really pay attention to the fact that halo was taken over by 343. But I do remember I completely stopped playing once they did.
Now I play infinite, and am starting to feel the same way…
Infinite made me want to take a break from the franchise, the show made me want to not play it anymore.
Well, you know what they say...
"There are fates worse than death"
“Sometimes… dead is betta”
I got big issues with 343i, but I really hate Gearbox these days so maybe better the devil you know than the one you don't
In an alternate universe The Coalition makes Halo and 343 makes Gears
That would be good for Halo, bad for Gears
Coalition is a much better studio but they still can't write anything worth their salt. Gears 5 was bizarre.
@@nightdriver7216 Imo Gears 5 had a better story than 3 and 4. When I played 3 and 4 I felt nothing, and cared about nothing.
@@nightdriver7216 I really liked 5’s story 🤷🏻♂️
This honestly makes me a little grateful for 343 lmao. This would have been WORSE than anything 343 has done 😂
Halo never should have been a live service . Halo first and foremost is a fun party game. This over focus on competitive is taking out all the fun
Gone are all the community features like pre and post game lobbies, working theater and forge modes.
Missing options and playlists and having cosmetics tied behind a crappy fartnite styled battle pass paywall! Instead of having those cosmetics earned by gameplay.
The focus on everything other then halo. Wanting to change the core gameplay . I truly hate 343 for destroying this franchise.
I'd rather halo disappear then have it's corpse continually beat by Bonnie Ross and co
I haven't been happy with 343 ever since they took the franchise.
They are incompetent. They ignore all negative feedback.
They admitted to hiring people who hate halo to form the core of the studio....
They have a Kathleen kennedy/Anita sarkessian in BONNIE ROSS WHO EMPHASIZES DIVERSITY HIRES!
I TRULY HATE 343 FOR RUINING HALO .
343 ARE LYING SCUMBAGS. THEY NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM THE FRANCHISE.
F THIS COMPANY
@@wadedewell not me. Im grateful for 343
@@wadedewell What focus on competitive? Us competitive players been getting fucked over too.
@@wadedewell well A, Bonnie Ross is gone
And B, 343 are the reason Halo MCC exist and the reason you can play the 360 titles on next gen consoles. Without them, when the og Servers got shut down in january this year you would just have to suck it up. No more Halo 3/Reach Multiplayer anymore.
So, you win some you lose some.
Imagine ID Software taking over the franchise.
It would be pretty cool, especially if they added glory kills
I love id software games but that would really really suck because they probably would never make doom/quake/Wolfenstein again. Microsoft would just have them do halo over and over
You gotta remember gearbox use to be the go to for outsourcing, look at the half life dlc and console ports, same with other game ports, I think back then games were made for fun as hobbies, but now everyone sees the money they make so video games have been turned into cash cows, I think this has happened to basically every top teir studio. I believe its just how the industry has evolved into sadly.
With Borderlands faltering for a while now, I don't know how well Gearbox would handle Halo.
Luke went… Seoul Searching.
Maybe that was his joke and nobody understood it
It's funny to learn about something... critical to the story of halo. c-3 sabertooth did a vid on it recently, but here's the TLDR of his 1 hour video.
Frank o'conner, is one of very few bungie employees who found work at 343, jumping ship while bungie finished halo reach. He is attributed to the didact and librarian terminal entries in halo 3, those that contradict the whole concept of humanity being the children of the forerunners, AS STATED BY THE GRAVEMIND, and guilty spark among others, by stating humanity existed before the forerunners found them. His is the only source that contradicts humanity being descendents or otherwise creations of the forerunners.
he ended up in a position where he has a vast degree of creative control at 343... and thus it was his vision of halo that was carried forth. And from a lore perspective... caused so many of the issues I had with halo 4's campaign and beyond. Redesign the jackals? new subspecies, never before seen obviously. Redesign the elites, including arbiter? Clearly also the new subspecies, don't ask questions where the old ones went. completely change the design of chiefs armour and the wreck he was on in between games for no explainable reason or method? Oh, and the weapons found on board too? and the whole, if humans are not the creations of the forerunners, and thus, not a threat to the prophet's power, why did the covenant genocide humanity? I'll bet almost all of that can be attributed to the meddler that is frank o'conner.
As fun as this idea may be on a surface level, I feel like this whole shared universe/multiverse thing is on par with the whole "walking dead and breaking bad is in the same universe" or "fallout and elder scrolls are in the same universe" theory.
You're taking something that's a subtle nod to something else(guns that look similar, armor that's similar, and other references like the pod) and assuming it's a connection, when in reality using occam's razor, it's really only just an Easter egg. I don't think there's much else to it, personally. Not to mention the world building is completely different in all of the Bungie games, coupled with the fact there's not a trace of human covenant war in destiny.
Another thing to note with halo, with the Bungie titles, whatever happens in the games is canon, the books are only optional at best. Which is why halo reach deeply contradicts the fall of reach, because Bungie never saw the books as a reliable source.
Luke went to find the alternate reality where Halo Infinite actually released complete and having had delivered it's promises
Gearbox isn't that lmao.
Bro, is your memory just amazing or do you do a ton of research? I love your videos!
I think at this point Halo 1, 2 and 3 is my most titles to play to this day. If I don’t have at least 20,000 hours or more played throughout there timelines I think it would be way more. Halo Reach was my final favourite halo title and it’s where I completely left the multiplayer but I loved Speedrun the game as well as doing goofy ideas with friends. To this day I’ve only ever played Halo 4 campaign once that I don’t even remember what the hell happens and never touched the MP. Halo 5 I played it for about an hour and when Halo infinite got announced I completely forgot that halo 5 existed and that 4 was there last title! That’s how much I’ve drifted away since bungie left it’s old titles. I still play the MCC occasionally, it’s the only title worth playing for me. I wish it was 2007/08 when I would finish school and hop on with friends till midnight on halo 3 doing custom maps, doing silly stuff on MP and 4 player coop where we would just do glitches constantly or we even used to compete against each other on who could get a better time on certain levels. That was the good old halo and honestly the series is dying the Longer it goes on.
considering the combination of Gears stuff into the Halo and halo stuff in to Gears, I could see it
Sometimes... sometimes dead is better. The Chief's story should have ended with 3.
That’s like saying star wars should’ve ended at 3 😂
@@NotSweetland probably that storyline. The sequels REALLY hurt the brand for general audiences up until Mandalorian... and it looks like Mando is gonna be milked and ruined, too :/
Not Star Wars as a whole tho. The Skywalker Saga should've ended and spin offs / new major sagas should've been made
@@AFunkyFella so you’re saying it was good past 3??? So my statement still stands. Ight. And they did spin offs of 3 with Anakin & obiwan
@@NotSweetland Not at all. Episodes 1-3 and 4-6 were George Lucas' vision. Halo 1-3 plus ODST and Reach were within Bungie's vision. It is not how you say it. Like how star wars should have ended at 6, Master chief's story should've ended at 3.
@@NotSweetland how did you get that out of "the sequels really hurt the brand"
You should make a video going more into this timeline topic more, it's rather fascinating
I love how you never cursed till talking about why 343 was picked
I take 343 over gearbox any day.
If you think 343 is great, you can't wait for two of them!
Can someone please explain to me why people feel the need to contrive ways for retcons to be canon? Why do you need a multiverse to reconcile how over the course of 21 years a video game franchise with multiple dev teams changed graphically? Does this really add anything for people? I genuinely do not understand this
If you really want to know a lot about Halo history look for a book called Ringworld is a 1970 science fiction novel by Larry Niven. Most of the Halo stories based off that book. And yes marathon is a early version of Halo. In fact you will even find marathon logos inside Halo content
Marathon remaster and cross universe with halo 3 would be flipping amazing!
I hope a Halo MMO does eventually come. It's cripplingly depressing that it was cancelled, and any time it's mentioned I get really sad and really, really angry.
I'd hope tat it'd be similar to Star Trek Online with being able to choose a faction/side of the war to be on, choose your race from that faction and get your own ship, getting both space and ground battles and a super in-depth character creation and outfitting system. I'd love to be a Sagheili Fleetmaster with the Swords of Sangheilios that primarily operates as a contingency against the flood and fighting the civil war with the Storm Covenant.
Oh good lord, no. I'll take 343i over Randy's grease pit any day.
2:40 I shoulda never smoked that shit now I'm soul searching in Korea 😩😭
All interesting stuff... Were they planning a game when you play as a marine w/ Reach level armor customization? Cuz I'd buy that in a heartbeat
It's just the blind hopium talking here but I'd love to see Bungie make one more Halo game for current gen / PC. The studio has changed a lot since the classic Halo days and it would be interesting to see what would come of it. I just want a COD style situation where COD fans basically get a complete mix of COD games year on year and people play the one they like. Halo is stuck in this rut right now and needs a fresh project management approach to how games are made moving forward.
Honestly it would be interesting, I don’t think the destiny games are bad but they are so grindy and feels like a job at times and how much expansions costs has put me off. But I do think the gameplay, soundtrack and art style is great. Especially destiny 1 soundtrack when it was done by Marty.
1. Halo-Era Bungie doesnt exist anymore, they fell from grace
2. Bungie wanted to leave Microsoft and not make new Halo games.
There should be two developers working on Halo, alternating between releaseses. None of this boring ass contentless game.
i can see 343 doing something ballsy like rebooting 4-infinites timeline kind of like how modern warfare 19 and 22 rebooted the franchise and retold the story. Only because its a popular thing to do now, and their ship is sinking
Good Morning y'all stay safe out there love all my Halo Bros
might as well let ubisoft or bethesda make halo games if you think letting gearbox make halo games is a good idea.
Bethesda has ID dude, that would've been the best timeline, that or if they allowed Bungie to work on other projects to not leave Microsoft.
@@SadScorpion956 new bungie would've fucked up halo worse than 343i
I still don't blame 343i entirely for the issues with modern Halo titles. I mostly blame Microsoft for imposing business rules, restrictive staff policies and micro-managing game development.
Microsoft is the reason why Sea of Thieves turned out much different than intended. It was bad enough that Rare lost the original build they were working on due to an engine crash so they had to start completely from scratch. Microsoft rushed them to push out the game
I'm watching this video 20-25 feet in the air on a tree branch. Good work and keep it up!
I feel that it would actually be even worse than any Halo 343i could ever make(even Infinite). So I'll stick with 343i instead of Gearbox that is not exactly doing any better than 343i is doing now.
Color me surprised. Didn't know this was a thing, and while I guess Gearbox has had its issues
I still think they're a good studio, with two big problems. And they're called management and the Greaselord
himself, Randy Pitchford. A CEO that embezzles money into his company from another production,
leaves his porn on a work USB and more can't do _any_ good. Anyway, is it just me or is the audio kinda
scuffed towards the end, like an audible fan noise wasn't filtered out? It's no big deal, but wanted to mention it
I forgot to mention I'd love to see more on the Bungieverse (Paraverse as Bungie themselves call it, apparently)
If 343 does do something wild and like teams with Bungie to make all games cannon and connected to each other, then i just hope they add rvb to the mix
That'd be a completely different timeline if the leadership would've been different then most likely, everything would be different.
We’d prolly still have the flood in gameplay and halo would still be rated M
343 wants money so halos been T for teen ever since, prolly why they won’t bring back the flood.
Flood in gameplay=rated M
Video idea: coop speed running guides
The last thing the universe needs is gearbox halo. Cough cough* randy pitchford cough*
I didnt realize you posted the names at the end of the videos till you mentioned it. I usually only listen to the content at work so i dont look at the screen to often.
Love the content!
I have been working on this idea for the Bungieverse for six months now, it’s cool to see others are thinking the same thing.
No matter how badly 343 messed up halo, they wouldn’t have done nearly the amount of damage gearbox would’ve done.
was there a fan running in the background or i am hallucinating XD ?
We are at the point where the party game halo is gone, suddenly we are bolted into the comp fps halo scene. I wish they would, instead of making comp halo games only, I wish 343 would have gone the "expanding the universe" step and made the megablocks game, and mmo game and so on. Halo really is a game that could have the star wars treatment. Fuck it halo battlefront
Hey hey, Reach was directly by Bungie get it out of the bad timeline
*Cortana gets replaced with claptrap* "Helloooooo maaaaaster chieeeeeef!"
Halo made by borderlands hmmmmm
I'm happy Gearbox didn't get Halo. Randy Pitchford ruins anything he touches, unless it's his.
343 is good at curating the existing Halo games Bungie made probably more than any company I can think of. MCC mods are going to explode even more once more modding tools and workshop support is introduced.
Them making games though...
Dude the mega blocks game would have been rad.
imagine the pure irony if the contract somehow landed back on Bungie through a Sony x Microsoft partnership
Man poor bungie in that case. Bungie fucking hated both halo and microsoft basically since shipping halo 2. They wanted 3 to be the last game and then leave microsoft for good because of halos horrible development. They where then contractually bound to one more game (halo4) and the movie (which later became district 9)
After the movie got cancled and turned into district 9, they made odst a fully featured game instead of a dlc, and because they didnt want to start a new story they made a prequel instead of halo 4.
If microsoft would re aquire bungie, all their efforts to leave this shit show would have been for nothing, as they would have been dragged right back into hell
You can see in interviews in h2 and h3 dev logs just how tired they are of the franchise and there was that one interview where one of the guys basically outlined how detrimental halo was to the developers mental health, social situations, marital status, romantic persuits and overall quality of life. They wanted out man
@@MrMegaMetroid I mean alot of the people are probably different by now. Companies are made up of people they don't have thoughts and opinions on their own.
@@lenkagamine4145 noone said the company had thoughts on their own, what?
The team that was making up the company, wanted out of halo. Those people will have hardly changed their minds. (if they even still work at bungie in the first place)
Damn, Randy is a greasy boi.
I hope they bring Cortana back. I only played infinite to see if they would be able to bring her back. I guess the new girl is kinda Cortana but she will never be Cortana in my eyes.
that's kinda the point?
pretty sure thats the point, after the mess of halo 5 i think they've basically tried to wrap up that entire arc, opinions differ among people about how it was pulled off so i wont blame you for that
Durandal > Cortana
Let's put it this way. We would play a Halo CE new campaign and Multiplayer game if it came out.
Considering how bad the 343 games were I'd have rather gearbox took over. That way too we also wouldn't have borderlands and so we wouldn't be in the "every game is a looter shooter because borderlands 2 did well" scenario we're in right now.
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Honestly, no matter your opinion on Halo 4, 5, and Infinite... a Halo at the same quality level of Duke Nukem Forever would have killed the franchise perma dead. It would be a decade at least before a reboot was even talked about, and a sequel would have been off the table. No Halo Wars 2, no MCC, nothing.
Technically Halo and Marathon and Destiny all take place in a "paraverse"
So maybe 343 is just a separate time line than Bungie's halo
The promethians might just be the original eridian guardians lol
Every triple A game company are just murdering themselves but somehow not dying.
I think it's all purposeful
I think having another studio working on halo would be the best thing for the franchise
Finding out that The Coalition was basically a second 343 Industries studio makes it funnier now how The Coalition has fucked up Gears of War just like 343 Industries has with Halo
Other way around Mickey didn’t cause the death of rookie by betraying the team he betrayed the team because rookie died and he lost faith in buck
we need that halo mega bloks game
also we need a new oni game or a remake, god i miss that game
the destiny 30th dlc's event is literally a game show set in the extended bungie universe your describing
or more like, you are playing in the destiny universe but it being filmed for, and references being part of an extended universe outside of destiny. and it contains halo guns as a reward. im sure theres more but theres not a lot of ways to read it that arent tacit confirmation of the bungie universe theory
Do you know about Duke Nukem forever 2011?? Yeah, that would be Halo. Instead of the game doing well and bitches saying "its dying" the game would be actually dead like the Duke Nukem Franchise
I dunno, isn't Gearbox the reason why Duke Nukem Forever and Aliens Colonial Marines ultimately flopped, because the budgets for those games were siphoned to bloat Borderlands 2???
Reach was my last game and what a fine game it was
Randy Pitchford is known as a huge liar bordering con-man. I wouldn't believe he was anywhere near to continuing Halo.
Bungie you need to get back to marathon, you left us hanging.
i just dont understand how 343 made the decisions they did with the story choices, if you watched Halo legends they had some amazing stories that could have made great games, but it seems they wanted to re-invent the wheel and step away from the structure that made halo so good. Shit even the books have amazing stories to tell, Im just shocked they chose to pursue a story after halo 3, just seems all the sacrifices were for nothing. just makes me sad to see Halo the way it is, halo is just as big as star wars or warhammer. And it deserves the utmost respect for a developer to do the research and stay true to the lore that was established before Halo 4. It really angered me that they tried to canibalize the story from halo wars 2 to fit a new story cause they ran out of creative ideas. and this is coming from 1 developer to another.
The difference between halo legends and 343's reclaimer saga games is insane. Its hard to believe that both were overseen by the same company. Same with Halo 2 Anniversary as well in my opinion.
@@SpacenoidCentral 100% facts, what makes me sad is what happened to Joseph staten with destiny series, i feel them canning his original story really impacted his writing, he was never the same writer after that, and you can see based on the writing for halo infinite.
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I don't think Halo Legends plays well in any argument supposedly in favor of 343, in fact, i think the opposite.
Let's be real, Halo Legends was mostly trash, the way it also distorted the canon it was supposed to portray was like the worst of all bad omens.
I can remember clearly a younger me watching Halo Legends for the first time and saying "Damn. If these guys are supposed to carry on Halo's franchise, this is not a good start. It's not even close to a good start". 10+ years later, well... it turned out a complete trainwreck.
@@yuzzo92 Uhh... Prototype? Origins? The Babysitter? The Duel? Homecoming? Didn't like any of those episodes, eh? Well thats just an opinion man. I, and many others didn't think they were trash. But what halo 4 did to the franchise and the story for halo 5? Yeah. Trash.
Bruh i just wish Bungie never left. No one else can make Halo games great again
2:35 was that an intentional "seoul" searching joke?
343s Plan A: “kill Halo”
343s Plan B: “community keeps supporting us, plan A is not working, lets show our The pit remake”
Honestly if 343i wasn't an option I'm pretty sure Epic Games wouldn't be real. If Microsoft was actually smart back when Epic was an actual studio they should have given the OG gears devs both Microsoft IP's tbh. I highly doubt many would complain over Halo getting gorier. XD.
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"I'm not being a purist who acts like nothing happened after Halo 3!"
Given the current state of the franchise, I don't think that's a controversial stance to have anymore.
Idk which will be worse: 343 Halo or Gearbox Halo.
People shitting on gearbox pretending that borderlands 2 and 3 aren't better then every 343 halo game.
Halo DS would have been fucking dope. Metroid Prime Hunters was dope but it sadly was the only really good DS FPS.
343i fucked up the continuity so that bad rocket sloth had to spend half the video theorycrafting about why they decided to change details that didn't need to change at all.
I'm so tired of everything this studio has ever been involved with..
Gearbox botched the PC port of CE, then we have DN Forever and Aliens CM so yeah, 343 seem like a pretty good choice in comparison.
I really hated a lot of the 343 retcons. In the Bungieverse, humans ARE the Forerunners-343 Guilty Spark explicitly says so before his boss battle in 3-and a lot of the convoluted crap that came after (Precursors? Spare me) would have been avoided. I’d love to get back to that version of the Halo timeline. At least I wouldn’t feel like I need to read half a dozen novels and comic books to understand what’s going on in each new campaign.
That retcon annoyed me a lot too. It's explicitly said at one point and blatantly "hinted" at repeatedly and they still retcon it for some reason.
@@jimmydesouza4375 pretty sure they did it to give themselves an excuse to create a new enemy besides the flood (though as Infinite shows you don’t need a retcon for a new enemy to fight).
@@KevinGrierson Infinite is also a retcon though. Cortana explicitly said she'd enforce peace through destruction, infinite even confirms that as that's the whole reason the brute's home planet was destroyed, but then she just allows the brutes to run around with conquest fleets?
Bungie also neglected Halo’s extended universe. How many times again did they have to revise Fall of Reach because of Bungie’s lore contradictions?
@@rrjt1011 Bungie didn't want Fall of Reach anyway.
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Glad it didn't go to gearbox, they completely screwed up Halo CE on PC.
i wasn't around for the time period but uh... why are Reach and ODST in the 343i category? aren't they also Bungie-made titles?
okay so: around that time 343i was created, basically became the multi media manager of halo, they managed the halo legends anime thing for example, the books, etc etc
after bungie left and this whole debacle, the keys were tossed to 343i to make the games
Halo 4 was the best ever make they should’ve stuck with that engine codings. The DiDact lives!
To be fair, Halo needs to be handed to a smaller studio that does it for passion vs profit. Giving the title to a huge studio is just setting it up for failure.