3D-Printed Solid-State Battery | Sakuu Tour
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2023
- Sandy got a tour of Sakuu's factory in San Jose, CA.
Sakuu's dry-process manufacturing innovations include the first fully functional 3D printed lithium-metal battery.
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Shout out to Sandy for requesting that the gentleman refrain from using acronyms! ❤
Agreed; probably could’ve been done off camera or edited out.
@@jeffpicken5057 Needed no cutting out, just some concentration. Glad you enjoyed it.
@@jeffpicken5057 Then you would have lost the educational moment.
I've seen so much solid state battery news that isn't seeming to go anywhere that i had kind of tuned all it out. When Sandy says this is interesting then I pay attention. I got excited when he said that the raw materials are sourced within the US and that is what that they need to manufature the batteries. It reminded me of the original idea of the Ford Rouge Plant where iron ore went in one end of the plant and a car came out the other end.
Sourcing materials within our continent is going to be what either makes or breaks the EV industry in North America. If we get get past the range anxiety issues by mass manufacturing solid state batteries, you will quickly see EV adoption go through the roof. The question is whether we can develop the infrastructure within North America to generate enough electricity to power 300 million EV's in America and probably another 35 million EV's here in Canada.
Don't know if anyone caught it but the Saku guy said at the beginning that they haven't yet developed a solid state battery.... lol
@@louiec.9782 yup. exactly. They have great technology with a mostly dry process, but a liquid electrolyte at the end.
@@beerzerker8359 you missed out on a piece of important information...
Everyone does not go to the gas station all at the same time on the same day!
It is the same with charging an EV and most charging will happen overnight where 75% of power stations can be offline due to no demand so when you use your head...
Countries do not need more power to charge vehicles - it is better for the power producers because output should be stable all throughout the day or with much lower peeks and troughs and taking power plants offline or only running at 1-5%
@@QALibrary- “everyone does not go to the gas station at the same time every day”
Ummm… it is called “Rush Hour” for a reason. When 30% rent a flat in the US, those poor folks will be charging relatively at the same time… within a few hours in the morning & evening.
That will be a massive problem, since that one times are not at peak solar production times. Overnight will also lack solar, for the 70% in North America.
Carbon energy sources fulfilling those EV charging needs as well as when Air Conditioning [cooling & dehumidification] & heating is needed at homes & apartments.
I am so impressed with Sandy's knowledge even in developing technologies. He's a true learner.
He has developed a lot of stuff himself. That is why he has all the critical knowledge to able to critically review this stuff.
What about expansion and contraction due to charging cycles and for that matter cycle life. There is so much battery research
going on right now enough to make you dizzy.
Sandy is a learn it all, not a know it all.
That would make a great T-shirt
This was, and I don't say this lightly, cool as hell. Really impressive tech and exciting path. I love the combination of semiconductor tech knowledge with manufacturing batteries.
for everything I have seen and read about in Solid-State Batteries, this looks like the real deal
Nice video. Custom printed battery shape.
As the video progressed I noticed the copper lines mounted on Kindorf channel hanger brackets on the walls. I used to install lines like those for water, air and oil to supply CNC and cam machines. Even suggested a water line to chase solids so they wouldn't clog a drain. After checking around they had me install one.
Informative video. Tech is progressing.
I'd say its taken about two hundred years for battery tech to come this far in the US. It's exploding now.
Well, literally 113 years since Edison brought rechargeable Nickel-Iron batteries to market... and they still use them in New York subway cars!
Thanks, interesting direction, hope it scales
You and me both!
I love these battery startups tour, keep up the good work.
Looks like it would be good for making wing shaped batteries for aircraft and oddly shaped batteries to fit into electric motorcycles since both applications need high energy density in non-square form factors. It is frustrating to see all these potential advancements in making cheaper, better batteries, but they never seem to make it to production.
Well, technology takes time. It's a lot of efforts to really understand what works and then you need to refine your solution to the point it is commercially viable. In the meantime there's a lot of testing and for batteries, long term cycling can really take months. This is even before customers can validate something, cause you don't want to fail in front of customers. And finally, there's the scale up part. So, lots of years to get there, a long time before take off.
Good idea
@@gianluigicassin868Time, luck, and money.
“wing shaped”
Hopefully, they will print roof shaped batteries, hood shaped batteries, trunk shaped batteries, fender shaped batteries.
There is no reason to need to place huge cells on the bottom, where people can damage it on a spine crunching speed bump or large pothole.
Give it time. New manufacturing processes will be invented....probably by Musk.
Being able to make different sizes of batteries which are smaller and lighter sure sounds like something Aptera would be interested in.
Good point!
Mr. Munro totally missed the point in this video. Mr. Niestoj's business is not battery manufacturing. His business is selling factories that make batteries and other things too.
This became quite apparent around 14:30 in the video when Mr. Munro asked about the machine's production capacity, thinking in terms of cell units, and Mr. Niestroj responded in terms of energy units (KWh).
It is our new manufacturing approach that enables improved batteries from improved manufacturing. So it is both.
Cell production is useless, when a cell could fit in a phone 📱 or be the size of an airplane ✈️ wing. KWh makes more sense to them in this arena.
@@arwedniestroj3330 I think people will take notice when you put your battery in a Tesla and show it's performance stats. One comment I read in the follow up video to this one said that the battery would have high internal resistance which wouldn't allow it to have the ability to move energy quickly for acceleration or fast charging.
Benefit of additive manufacturing for geopolitical reasons. Now that's an angle I don't think many considered previously. Great episode
I noticed on the info board in the room, it took only two years to go from 40 Wh/I AND 30 mAh to 800 Wh/I and 3000 mAh. Very impressive. Would like to know how fast the charging rate is and how many cycles it is good for. Lots of cost savings on the manufacturing.
500 cycles ; 80% of the battery capacity... 750wh/kg battery...
Whoever had fun with the editing on this, kudos! It was quite fun to watch.
Great production team
This tech sounds like dynamite for power tools!
Although most of the video focused on cars, being able to make exact 3D shapes ( not just 2D prisms) will be worth a lot for the consumer electronics industry. They will be willing to pay a premium for this. For things like smartphones, smartwatches, cameras, and handheld game consoles custom shapes will reduce overall size and manufacturing costs.
Yeah,seeing this technology is pure inspiration, . It says electric aviation is here ! Long range ev ! Thanks Sandy .
Wow, thank you mr Munro ❤ other videos from American battery startups, please 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
3d printing. Genius.
This looks like it would be very suitable for Aptera's autocycle, and possibly Lilium's jets.
The idea that you can make a battery in practically any shape. In a car you hide the pack all over the place leaving floor and cabin space free.
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@@nononsenseBennett 👍🤗AGREED
He really likes that you can make it into any shape you want!! I would too! : )
The idea of making a battery any shape you want, and this high performance.....opens up so many possibilities. So cool.
My dad was born in 1898, lived for 105 years, and he never stopped stopped learning. "Live long and prosper, Sandy"👍
The "process", using the 'special-sauce' electrolytes, is key to doing dry-cell/solid-state batteries. What is interesting is the
capability to have a process that is "chemistry-agnostic", and can deliver energy/volume/weight ratios that are cost-effective.
Battery-structures are not standard, such as AAA/AA/C/D...2170/4680 etc, and looking forward to a standard battery structure
that is interchangeable between EV manufacturers. Is there too much steel for 4680, and is it the best format for pack integrity?
It will be interesting to see how this stacks up to the Amprius cells when mass produced vs small volume samples.
Part of the processing is ink jet. This allows scaling, and also continuous flow (not batching). It looks like a viable roadmap based on Sandy's response.
That stage is optional. Probably for marking and/or branding the cells. He said that any number of different methods could be used in that stage. It is up to the licensee to decide how they want to use that stage of the machine. So they've basically eliminated a secondary stage that the licensee would have to figure out themselves and build it right into their line.
@patreekotime4578 Throughput for large surfaces implies inkjet, not 3D printing. Providing, of course, deposit thickness is controlled adequately.
Great vlog. Thanks!
AWEOME! ......... THANKS SO MUCH FOR MAKING VIDEO!
My pleasure!
Nice job and exciting technology for sure! So new and innovative that even the experts are having a little trouble describing
Anyone catch the Saku guy saying they haven't yet developed a solid state battery 😂 lol what the hell lol
Yeah, caught that… But their process is close & getting closer… let’s hope they make it! 🎊 🎉
Fascinating ideas that all stem back to material science.
You know it’s about to get serious when the first shot is Sandy wearing a hairnet
Wonderful
Thank you! Cheers!
Seriously cool info.
I have been saying for years now that additive manufacturing was the answer to the SSB electrolytic layer.
Science!!! 🤓😎. Thanks for opening your doors!
You know that if Munro is there... It's legit
Thanks Sandy for sharing the details of additive engineering to make car batteries. This process must be scaled for any EV cat.
Still waiting for SAKU listing.
Would you happen to know if it's still going through Plum Acquisition? 🧐
Is a video possible speaking to the attributes of this battery makeup which determine it's life and capabilities, such as: Tendency or resistance toward dendrite formation, expected usable cycle life, any of the charging characteristics, etc. This would round out the overall picture and be very much appreciated! Sandy, I see why you are excited about additive manufacturing in batteries, thank you for bringing us this tour!!
29:00 - That Unifi Micro camera blew my mind off :D :D
Excellent. Hope it will scale, be quality an low price
Munro superstars! Did you notice which auto manufacturer was mentioned ;)
This is why I decided to buy the base model of Model Y cuz newer stuff is coming and it hurts less to switch. lol When is this coming to market 😁
That was very interesting. I hope Sakuu has great success going forward...but who was that creepy guy watching everything in the background?
Probably the founder
Wonder how much crossover there is between the production of these batteries with 3D printing and the printing of solar pannels developed in China?
Also, will it be possible to 3d print your own batteries?
Cubertruck will be at the Detroit Auto Show!!!!
Very interesting process. Will these pouches have the same issue with thermal expansion and contraction when packed tightly together? Also what about the issue of fire suppression? Thanks.
Thanks!
Interesting
I may have missed it, can we get a video on the Corey departure. I know it was a dignified interaction but what are the plans from here? Fill the position? Bring someone up internally?
4:36 And this part broke my enthusiasm. throwing away all the graphite, and the energy density only goes from 730 to 800? A mere 10 percent increase.
Did they mention the possible size of the batteries, for instance could they make it bigger enough to fill the entire 3/4 of an inch of a semi trailer?
This is going to be interesting…
Still so much room for small companies to innovate on battery technology.
400 cycles to 80% retained capacity seems on the low side for vehicles. However, if cost competitive they could probably make batteries with more capacity so as to use less of it during the normal charging/discharging cycle and extend the overall battery life
Do you ever see liquid batteries like influit as a possibility?
Does anybody looked to the graphics on the glass walls? Fun to watch video and always informative. Kudos Munro Live team 🙂
My biggest concern with additive manufacturing for making batteries would be the quality control and consistency. We've seen what happens with errors causing batteries to short out and catch fire (Bolt EV, Samsung Note, etc). It can kill people. Every single layer needs to be consistently safe.
Seven minutes in and I’ve started writing comments about what they said wrong then Sandy comes along and fills in the gaps and makes me start deleting. Anyway “solid state battery” just means making the same battery without liquid electrolytes. 3D printing here is a gross misnomer too. I’m not trying to be a Debbie Downer here, I am in the business and was excited to see this video, but was met with a very well put together and exceptionally informative discussion of what they hope to be able to do but as of yet have no idea how to do so.
What capacity and energy density might be achieved with this, cramming it into a well know pack size we not see achieving 100 kWh wet Li-Ion cells?
Impressed, how will they hold up to heat? Can the be made in wafer shapes or even have ridges to maximize surface area. Would SLS WORK for this process. And for the layering , the process they showed is very inefficient. Assembly line mentality
KISS - Keep it simple Sandy
Nice intro
Please pursue a tour of Enovix batteries!
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What’s the calendaring sheer performance?
There is no one working in the office/factory. Looks like a film set😂
I've worked in a few places like that and as soon as the cameras show up they kick the nerds out. Most of us aren't known for our on-camera charm or our ability to filter information.
Also most people don't want to be filmed. You have to have permission to use peoples likeness and the less forms you have to get signed the better. @@duncandorris884
That's all very well, but will it catch fire ???
Every battery can experience thermal runaway. Stick a 9v transistor battery in your front pants pocket, electrodes down, with your keys 🔑 in there.
Only made that mistake, once 😂
Can you print them like 5m^2 and stack them so you get one giant car battery? :)
So 100 Mw-h production per year is about 1200 Id 4 batteries per year.
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Still rocking the iPhone.
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Looks to me that Tesla ought to scoop up this company pronto. First for the powder enhancement so that it flows smoothly, and then for the additive manufacturing process.
Any large brand with actual ambition to do better. Tesla seems to err on the side of cost reduction rather than best they could make. They'll remove indicator stalks if it saved them a dollar, no matter how dangerous that is for rental drivers and even owners and put some buyers off.
Reminds me of some elusive machine called Edison....
Would be more enthused if it were using sodium instead of lithium.
11:07 and the Diamond Age is coming soon
If they can scale this process and get it tested in real world EV applications then I would say that it has a lot of potential.
Well if it's a battery i sure hope it has potential...
Next Tesla-type stock potential?
No geopolitical challenges...MADE IN THE USA! Great long term strategy.
Should ask how many chief of engineers they’ve had in the last 2 years. 🤣
FINALLY someone's Gets the idea of using 3D printers to make batteries.
We can make them SMALLER ,more COMPACT, and more Emergy dense. I've been thinking about this for about 10 years. But metal 3D printers are too expensive for me right now.
Imagine 10 million robots making 3D printed battery cells for the Model " 4680 integrated battery pack for 10 million Model 2 each year. 450 cells x 10 millions x 1.5 scrap = 6.75 billion cells. I guess Tesla will not implement this process. It does not work in this dimension.
The dude standing in the background 👀
It is an interesting tour, but Sandy is dead wrong at the 25' minute mark when he says there are no US manufactures of slot die coating system. There are many made in the US that are used in numerous industries that require just as much precision as that "battery" line.
It’s so pleasing to see this development and manufacturing in USA. This company has very exciting battery technology, but only if they can produce batteries in volume.
We must divorce reliance on China. I would never buy an EV with a Chinese battery or motor.
Will this be like graphene, an amazing product nearly two decades ago that still has little real world examples to show for it?
I use graphene products on my cars paint! 😆
haha, I have that 303 stuff too. Real "stronger than steel, lighter than anything..." products have never materialized. Did the military lockup graphene's use?@@RayNLA
printing means low volumes. too many companies into high end battery tech, is there a US company chasing developing Sodium Ion chemistry?
I don't think this typical 3d printing
Small foot print ...60 ft by 6 ft can produce 100 megawatts.....
Ten of these is one gigawatrs
And they can kick out in 10 to 15 seconds
If this is true... it is amazing
Lol....platform in persian
That was very intersting
260Wh/kg 800Wh/L 400 cycles to 80% Interesting but not a game changer yet.
Pershia, ???? ps, kindness is still free!
It's 3D Printed AND solid state! All the buzzwords from the 80's and today. Maybe they can make it Quantum and HD as well.
I miss Cory...
3D printing is the slowest manufacturing process after hand crafting ... IMO...
Can I print one at home ???
I would prefer a sodium version
that
More real than Toyota's solid state battery.
Toyota has their battery in a prototype vehicle. How real do you need?
🍔🍟🥤👍I love that innovation!! nice little workshop! thanks guy's! so 'Cyprus' could be in the next Iphone!
Don't get me wrong, I want this to succeed and everything.
But I'm sorry, until it enters mass production and its being used in products then its hard for me to care much. We've seen so much solid-state news. Put it in a mass-production vehicle and I'll believe it
There are plenty of applications outside EV for better battery.
@@parkershaw8529 I understand, my point was more: use it in anything and I'll pay attention. But all of the solid-state batteries seem like they'll be arriving the day nuclear fusion arrives
How can it be safe from thermal runaway if it is suppose to be able to dump 300 000 watts in to an electric motor? "Think flooring a Tesla"
Soooooo... I have been in the Multi-craft maintenance world for over 10 years, and the machinery I'm seeing shows me that this company has miles to go. Lots of bottlenecks and issues mechanically will cause constant downtime.
You weren't shown the printing equipment
@MegaWilderness that's why I said "the machinery I'm seeing". Just from seeing the scratched out sharpie instructions gives me all the clues I need, this place is still trying to get their stuff together.
This is a random comment to boost your video.
It's only the production process - the electrical and thermal properties would already be known?
The machinery looks like it was built by an industrial kitchen manufacturer. I might have expected something more like a bespoke semiconductor machine.