"Never underestimate the power of a bunch of dudes with drugs and guns. Okay but enough about my neighbores." -WinterSC a reminder as to why we're here
I believe Winter mentioned something similar to the first of these as his suggested buff to Protoss back when they were testing out the latest patch, but I was thinking about two things that might be reasonable buffs for Protoss in the PvT matchup. 1) instead of a straight up buff to Stalker range, how about a buff to range only against air units? It could still be locked behind a research upgrade but that is the main role of stalkers, especially later in the game, and where they likely need the most help to keep the Protoss ground army viable. Then in addition to this 2) bring back Khaydarin Amulet but instead of it giving more starting energy, it protects Templar's first 100 energy against EMP. In other words, EMP can't lower a HT's energy below 100. Protoss armies are heavily reliant on splash to deal with Terran but as many know, the only thing Protoss can eventually rely on is Disruptors (which aren't reliable at all) because Colossi are on a hard timer once Vikings come out. The only other splash, HT, are pretty handily countered by EMP normally to which high level players can somewhat mitigate by using the Prism. The thing is, this is also severely limited by Vikings, which I think is why we usually see Protoss having to default to mass Disruptor as their only option which no one likes. Vikings are extremely powerful and Protoss doesn't really have any air option to try and go toe to toe against them with. Perhaps both of these together might be too much to swing the balance against Terran and their Vikings since they would both have significant impact vs Vikings but Protoss does need something for later game PvT and I think these would be good buffs to the main filler unit of the Protoss ground army (which is notoriously weak compared to the other races main ground units), giving it a more reliable purpose in the army, as well as opening up the way for a second viable source of splash damage that the Protoss army desperately needs vs Terran
I love Winter. (Platonically) Winter makes me feel the most engaged as a casual player. He has a friendly atmosphere that not many can compare to with such an intense and fast paced game.
I honestly don't remember the last time that tempest made a difference for protoss. Every lategame I see them going for stargates and a fleet beacon I think it's already over, and I haven't been wrong yet.
in G1, i was happy to see the storms, as I commented in the last match that MaxPax lacked casters. Also air superiority against medivacs. Very cool to see the evolution ! Also as other people commented last time, storms seems not be be so effective for damage, but they seem good to deplete the energy on the medivacs.
The secret here is, storms are great for damage . Because medivac energy IS health XD, not to mention medivac health attrition. Not surprised the storm game won and the non-storm games lost.
I am currently playing in bronze as zerg… I am not very good, but I have a APM off 70 on average and 85 to 90 on a good day, but I am currently being beaten left and right from mass battlecruiser builds by Terence that can coast along at 42 55 actions per minute, I don’t even need to scout anymore because every Theron is doing the same build and this is frustrating because it is breaking the game for everyone who isn’t playing T TERAN BATTLECRUSER….. it might not be a big problem for more advanced players, but it is pure frustration for everyone else in bronze that is not playing TERAN BATTLECRUISER….!!!!! do you or anyone think that this will be fixed in the near future, either by nursing battlecruisers or boosting surge, static defence or something, because nothing will come through it, and even though I go straight into corrupters, they trade so poorly against battlecruisers and cost too much gas so I can only replace them a couple of times before the game is done GG GGGGGG 😢 it makes it so frustrating that I am losing to the same strategy from every TT V Z …. I hope there is hope in the future for some balance for the less sophisticated. Zerg… because now it’s currently no point playing on the ladder at all………!!!!! please somebody respond to this utterance of pure frustration…..! I even lose when I go up to 115 drones versus only 50 drones for the Teran mule…..!!!!! 😂😂😂😂 I was mining from for basis when he was moaning from two😂😂😂
Max Pax:The True Movie. The real life tale of Max Pax. Starring Air Bud as Max Pax playing himself, cause Max Pax is the golden retriever from Air Bud series. True facts.
I love watching you cast these games! You're hilarious. Thanks for all the little extra things you do, like the hearthstone cards to introduce players. It's fantastic. ❤
Your vids actually got me to play starcraft 2. I played a lot of original starcraft then quit when brood war came out because of the changes that i didnt like but you changed that. Thanks.
@@IYPITWL yea so I preferred SC1 to broodwars, it was a long time before sc2 came out after SC1 and I was living life, not playing a lot of games, so when sc2 came out I tried it and was like... Meh.. then did other things. D2 is better than d3 :p d4 has a shot though..
Love the Diablo 3 music lol. as soon as I heard the music my mind started that whole cinematic in my head where Tyreal shows his fall from the high heaven.
The chess analogy still holds even though it’s a perfect information game because it’s turn based. because while there’s a meta , you still don’t know what opening they are gonna play or how they will respond to you
GJ maxpax. Tempest needed to arrive earlier. After 160/170 supply get some air like broodwar. Or have SG ready so when zlots fall you replace with air.
I have watched Winter casting sc2 for so many years late at night that now I have to listen to winter casting sc2 in order to fall asleep. Could have worse problems I guess... Edited typos
Y’all probably think Winter is joking when he says “bunch of dudes with drugs and guns, like my neighbors,” but I’m almost positive he lives in MI, which is a weed-legal state that also is home to an enormous number of firearms.
@@geuros And MMM with their stability and practicality win the whole match. Some early harassment cannot compare to a solid army in my personal opinion.
Clem vs MaxPax?! Hell yeah! Cocked, locked, and ready to ROCK! ...I'm sitting here sipping coffee with a minor surge of interest which evinces no exterior manifestation, but hey.
whole game 1 Pax had an observer following Clems armies and im sitting here wondering where tf Clems detectors are, not to mention being SO far behind on upgrades im surprised he made it past 10 mins. that being said, my memory is fuzzy on if medivacs are detectors so correct me if im wrong...please lol
Because winter only watches the finals he doesn't get to see what happens when a normal gm terran has to play Vs maxpax's 4 gate blink 😂 If he's not playing Vs big Gabe or Clem, maxpax usually wins in 6-8 minutes
You talk like medivacs spawn anything. By that logic, the shield battery would be the most broken producable thing in the game due to having 7x more powerful healing proficiency than the medivac. Swarm Hosts and Brood Lords also spawn army units for free, not even using energy (literal no-resource army production).
@@joshuakim5240 Shield batteries would be broken...if they could follow your army around. So basically, if they were medivacs. And brood lords have literally been, overall, the most broken unit on average the entire duration they've been in the game so that doesn't help your point
@@PraiseYeezus The point is that medivacs are being worded by the OP as something that "produces", when in actuality it "preserves"/"sustains". An actual "producing" unit would be one that spawns units (carriers, brood lords, swarm hosts, pre-nerf infestors), which the medivac does not fall under the category of. In other words, you completely missed the point.
@@joshuakim5240 you: X isn't broken, by that logic, Y is also broken me: yes, Y would be broken if it also had Ability Z like X does you: you missed the point ??? produces vs sustains is a meaningless distinction when the end result is the same: army units out-performing their supply.
@@PraiseYeezus Learn some reading comprehension, kid. I stated that "by that logic" to show how flawed the OP's logic is while also showing that the unit he uses as an example is the wrong example. And then brought in examples of actual unit-producing units that would apply to the OP's logic but weren't brought up. Never stated that X or Y (medivac or shield battery) were broken, only that the OP's nonsense logic would label them as broken so the OP thinks they're broken, despite not even being something that "produces" (aka creates) value. A much better example would be Orbital Commands plopping down MULEs for absurd amounts of free value spawning that actually "produces" something. Then again, you're probably the OP's alt account anyways with how much you're simping for him for no reason.
EMP should have a maximum limit to the amount of shield it can remove, if the units in the aoe exceed this then that number would be split evenly amongst the units
P needs a BUFF, Adepts(give them anti-air), Colossi (more movement speed)and Tempests( faster atk rate or more dmg per shot) ! T : Marine-Marauder-Medivac NERF : stim down to 40% atk& bonus speed instead of 50%, Medivac after Burners now cost 25 energy to activate, duration unchanged; 5 sec cd !
widow mines should always be revealed after firing. A unit that cost the same as a roach getting the value of a disruptor that can hit air and requiring no micro is stupid
There are so many things wrong with that statement but lets start with the fact WM do 40 splash damage (+25 Vs Shields), not 145 (+55 Shield) like Disruptors.
Terran is definitely the strongest race but it's marginal enough that it shouldn't be used as an excuse. As someone who was particularly bad against Terran beforehand, that won't stop me though
winter i once came into your stream... and you didnt like my joke... I said winters face is so cold, if i stuck my touge to it it would freeze and stick there forever lol i almost go banned lol
You're the only caster I still watch after all this time. Thanks for bringing starcraft to my days.
Harstem and Lowko are both really good, by I still like Winter the most too...
@@snoopstp4189 I honestly couldn't keep interest with loko, never bothered with harstem
Pig is solid too
🗿🗿🗿
@@andrewgreeb916 I love harstem, lowko and winter, winter's very american and I like that, find it harder to relate to europeans.
"Never underestimate the power of a bunch of dudes with drugs and guns. Okay but enough about my neighbores."
-WinterSC a reminder as to why we're here
I believe Winter mentioned something similar to the first of these as his suggested buff to Protoss back when they were testing out the latest patch, but I was thinking about two things that might be reasonable buffs for Protoss in the PvT matchup. 1) instead of a straight up buff to Stalker range, how about a buff to range only against air units? It could still be locked behind a research upgrade but that is the main role of stalkers, especially later in the game, and where they likely need the most help to keep the Protoss ground army viable. Then in addition to this 2) bring back Khaydarin Amulet but instead of it giving more starting energy, it protects Templar's first 100 energy against EMP. In other words, EMP can't lower a HT's energy below 100. Protoss armies are heavily reliant on splash to deal with Terran but as many know, the only thing Protoss can eventually rely on is Disruptors (which aren't reliable at all) because Colossi are on a hard timer once Vikings come out. The only other splash, HT, are pretty handily countered by EMP normally to which high level players can somewhat mitigate by using the Prism. The thing is, this is also severely limited by Vikings, which I think is why we usually see Protoss having to default to mass Disruptor as their only option which no one likes. Vikings are extremely powerful and Protoss doesn't really have any air option to try and go toe to toe against them with. Perhaps both of these together might be too much to swing the balance against Terran and their Vikings since they would both have significant impact vs Vikings but Protoss does need something for later game PvT and I think these would be good buffs to the main filler unit of the Protoss ground army (which is notoriously weak compared to the other races main ground units), giving it a more reliable purpose in the army, as well as opening up the way for a second viable source of splash damage that the Protoss army desperately needs vs Terran
Man that game two was brutal. Love to see these players showing off their strengths.
I love Winter. (Platonically)
Winter makes me feel the most engaged as a casual player.
He has a friendly atmosphere that not many can compare to with such an intense and fast paced game.
"dont get jealous, get better" is such a good quote
Not only did you make my day, you made my decade. Thank you for all the vids.
I honestly don't remember the last time that tempest made a difference for protoss. Every lategame I see them going for stargates and a fleet beacon I think it's already over, and I haven't been wrong yet.
in G1, i was happy to see the storms, as I commented in the last match that MaxPax lacked casters. Also air superiority against medivacs. Very cool to see the evolution !
Also as other people commented last time, storms seems not be be so effective for damage, but they seem good to deplete the energy on the medivacs.
Templars are also very good against most other casters because of feedback
The secret here is, storms are great for damage . Because medivac energy IS health XD, not to mention medivac health attrition. Not surprised the storm game won and the non-storm games lost.
I am currently playing in bronze as zerg… I am not very good, but I have a APM off 70 on average and 85 to 90 on a good day, but I am currently being beaten left and right from mass battlecruiser builds by Terence that can coast along at 42 55 actions per minute, I don’t even need to scout anymore because every Theron is doing the same build and this is frustrating because it is breaking the game for everyone who isn’t playing T TERAN BATTLECRUSER….. it might not be a big problem for more advanced players, but it is pure frustration for everyone else in bronze that is not playing TERAN BATTLECRUISER….!!!!! do you or anyone think that this will be fixed in the near future, either by nursing battlecruisers or boosting surge, static defence or something, because nothing will come through it, and even though I go straight into corrupters, they trade so poorly against battlecruisers and cost too much gas so I can only replace them a couple of times before the game is done GG GGGGGG 😢 it makes it so frustrating that I am losing to the same strategy from every TT V Z …. I hope there is hope in the future for some balance for the less sophisticated. Zerg… because now it’s currently no point playing on the ladder at all………!!!!! please somebody respond to this utterance of pure frustration…..! I even lose when I go up to 115 drones versus only 50 drones for the Teran mule…..!!!!! 😂😂😂😂 I was mining from for basis when he was moaning from two😂😂😂
Max Pax:The True Movie. The real life tale of Max Pax. Starring Air Bud as Max Pax playing himself, cause Max Pax is the golden retriever from Air Bud series. True facts.
I love watching you cast these games! You're hilarious.
Thanks for all the little extra things you do, like the hearthstone cards to introduce players. It's fantastic. ❤
Your vids actually got me to play starcraft 2. I played a lot of original starcraft then quit when brood war came out because of the changes that i didnt like but you changed that. Thanks.
This might be the craziest thing I've ever read. Akin to someone preferring original Diablo2.
@@IYPITWL yea so I preferred SC1 to broodwars, it was a long time before sc2 came out after SC1 and I was living life, not playing a lot of games, so when sc2 came out I tried it and was like... Meh.. then did other things.
D2 is better than d3 :p d4 has a shot though..
Love the Diablo 3 music lol. as soon as I heard the music my mind started that whole cinematic in my head where Tyreal shows his fall from the high heaven.
Let's hope for more epic cliche in D4.
MaxPax is looking awesome this year. He's definitely been putting in the time. Fantastic series with great casting!
Mech Toss sounds really fucking cool as an army composition idea. Just all of the heavy tech units sieging bases. So cool
Watching these every day with my dinner is how I am keeping my sanity with all these nursing finals
It’s been a great 10 years bro! Thank you!
I was thinking the same thing: I imagine max pax sitting there after the colossus snipes being like “I didn’t want to have to do this disrupt or vally
"Never under estimate the power, of a bunch of dude's with drugs and gun's. Okay, but enough about my neighbors." LOL
Protect this gentleman at all costs
Last game shows why tempest were forgotten
I truly enjoy these videos. Actually, it got me to play Starcraft for the first time in years.
OMG I didint know you could target fire bunkers with attack move. THX Clem sick games!
The chess analogy still holds even though it’s a perfect information game because it’s turn based.
because while there’s a meta , you still don’t know what opening they are gonna play or how they will respond to you
as someone who is generally a baboon, would just a couple Void Rays infront of the Tempests (or while the Fleet Beacon was building) helped at all?
Beautiful series! Keep em coming!
Also, you could try to cast some games from the TL Map Contest, considering how close this vid is to 2k likes.
Why does it always sound like Winter is either going to cry or laugh or both at the same time when he speaks? KEKW
Winter you always make our day better! Lets get this gentleman to 1013 likes boys
On this episode of - "A strong gust of wind away" : Marauders !
Is he talking about Tempests? Us WAY TOO OLD to micro SC players haven't forgotten about the skytoss backbone..
Finally a click bait title. A video worth watching and a title worth clicking
Winter what were you talking about ? That magazine joke was gold
Great series, love seeing maxpax in his current form
Man laser giraffes need a slight buff I think
I admit disruptors are very strong
Protoss anti air is so bad. Terran air units can fly around no worries. Vikings just ignore the whole Protoss army and kill all the splash damage.
I'm old.
Thanks for the 10 years.
GJ maxpax. Tempest needed to arrive earlier. After 160/170 supply get some air like broodwar. Or have SG ready so when zlots fall you replace with air.
I have watched Winter casting sc2 for so many years late at night that now I have to listen to winter casting sc2 in order to fall asleep. Could have worse problems I guess...
Edited typos
It was almost felt like one guy was fighting with knife and the other guy was fighting with a sword.
When we getting the funky maps? And thanks man love this shit. Seeing that post notifcation omw to work gives me something to look forward to
Y’all probably think Winter is joking when he says “bunch of dudes with drugs and guns, like my neighbors,” but I’m almost positive he lives in MI, which is a weed-legal state that also is home to an enormous number of firearms.
I've been waiting for the thumbnail
winter your videos now release in the heart of my Cambodian expat loneliness im here for the long haul brother
Man, this was God tier! Too much even. Looks like Clem got tired mid third game.
Surprised we didn't see the Erik build
14:07 Double D's of destruction
"But enough about my neighbours."
Winter's game castings have become my nightly ritual. Brush my teeth and check out some SC2
Guess the only way to play Protoss is Skytoss. As long as your army walks on land, no chance to beat the Terran
You saw game one didn't you... Blink openers are way too strong. You have initiative, aggression, eco, automatically ahead of Terran
l2p
@@hivetech4903 trash reply
@@geuros And MMM with their stability and practicality win the whole match. Some early harassment cannot compare to a solid army in my personal opinion.
Would be awesome to watch a couple games maybe an exhibition that you cast alongside lowko or pig. I think that would be some QUALITY
They have different styles imo that don't really reinforce each other
I watch all three 😅
lotta good casting lately, love it.
I got my like in. My favorite caster!
Thank you
Imparable Cleam, muy buenas partidas y todo un desempate. Saludos
Protoss is such an awefully designed race, jeeeeeeeezzzhh…
that was a pretty great series.
Clem vs MaxPax?! Hell yeah! Cocked, locked, and ready to ROCK!
...I'm sitting here sipping coffee with a minor surge of interest which evinces no exterior manifestation, but hey.
1st time.laughing at your jokes was on this video. Your neighbor with "drugs and guns" 😂
whole game 1 Pax had an observer following Clems armies and im sitting here wondering where tf Clems detectors are, not to mention being SO far behind on upgrades im surprised he made it past 10 mins. that being said, my memory is fuzzy on if medivacs are detectors so correct me if im wrong...please lol
one question... can a medevak pick up a viking when it is in land form?
Because winter only watches the finals he doesn't get to see what happens when a normal gm terran has to play Vs maxpax's 4 gate blink 😂
If he's not playing Vs big Gabe or Clem, maxpax usually wins in 6-8 minutes
medivacs are the strongest production unit--costing no resources to generate army value and forcing the opponent to trade resources for energy
You talk like medivacs spawn anything. By that logic, the shield battery would be the most broken producable thing in the game due to having 7x more powerful healing proficiency than the medivac. Swarm Hosts and Brood Lords also spawn army units for free, not even using energy (literal no-resource army production).
@@joshuakim5240 Shield batteries would be broken...if they could follow your army around. So basically, if they were medivacs. And brood lords have literally been, overall, the most broken unit on average the entire duration they've been in the game so that doesn't help your point
@@PraiseYeezus
The point is that medivacs are being worded by the OP as something that "produces", when in actuality it "preserves"/"sustains". An actual "producing" unit would be one that spawns units (carriers, brood lords, swarm hosts, pre-nerf infestors), which the medivac does not fall under the category of.
In other words, you completely missed the point.
@@joshuakim5240 you: X isn't broken, by that logic, Y is also broken
me: yes, Y would be broken if it also had Ability Z like X does
you: you missed the point
???
produces vs sustains is a meaningless distinction when the end result is the same: army units out-performing their supply.
@@PraiseYeezus
Learn some reading comprehension, kid. I stated that "by that logic" to show how flawed the OP's logic is while also showing that the unit he uses as an example is the wrong example. And then brought in examples of actual unit-producing units that would apply to the OP's logic but weren't brought up.
Never stated that X or Y (medivac or shield battery) were broken, only that the OP's nonsense logic would label them as broken so the OP thinks they're broken, despite not even being something that "produces" (aka creates) value. A much better example would be Orbital Commands plopping down MULEs for absurd amounts of free value spawning that actually "produces" something.
Then again, you're probably the OP's alt account anyways with how much you're simping for him for no reason.
What a series
Have you hear about Voidrays??...
Protoss 💀💀
Hes such a legend
Winter cast Masa vs Disk
oh, wow!
number 1 protoss you say i think hero and now the returning stats might have something to say about that
i dont get how they control 3 disruptors to go to 3 different ways and all hit in the place u wanted. i dont play it looks complex tho
I got the 1,400th like. Great cast winter.
Game 1 is certainly a contender for Game of the Year, no?
byun maxpax esl weekly 173, game 2.
EMP should have a maximum limit to the amount of shield it can remove, if the units in the aoe exceed this then that number would be split evenly amongst the units
Yes its too strong compared to say a storm
Love your content winter Daddy keep it up!
1013?! getting greedy Winter!
Great great match
I still don't like emp, it feels like your getting cheated out of your units.
Wow. Protoss lose again. What a surprise. The only real surprise is that the Zerg didn't win for a change.
STRATEGO! not chess not poker STRATEGO! LOL 😂😊
P simply can't win T lategame
P needs a BUFF, Adepts(give them anti-air), Colossi (more movement speed)and Tempests( faster atk rate or more dmg per shot) !
T : Marine-Marauder-Medivac NERF : stim down to 40% atk& bonus speed instead of 50%, Medivac after Burners now cost 25 energy to activate, duration unchanged; 5 sec cd !
Void ray still a unit?
What happened to the 1069likes? 😮 thx for the daily dose of starcraft
Awesome
An excellent game. Widow mines are still the worst unit in the game, but maxpaxs plays are quite good
Nooooo now I miss Parting :((((
Like and comment incoming winter
Colossus is so easily countered.
Only caster I watch!
still love u man
❤ you winter
widow mines should always be revealed after firing.
A unit that cost the same as a roach getting the value of a disruptor that can hit air and requiring no micro is stupid
Found the salty zerg player😅😊
There are so many things wrong with that statement but lets start with the fact WM do 40 splash damage (+25 Vs Shields), not 145 (+55 Shield) like Disruptors.
best caster
MaxPax is actually AI 😂
I was 893 ... come on guys 6k views alllmost 1k likes interesting....
Balance is so bad nowdays..
lol
Terran is definitely the strongest race but it's marginal enough that it shouldn't be used as an excuse. As someone who was particularly bad against Terran beforehand, that won't stop me though
According to aligulac Zerg is the strongest at pro level and Terran is the weakest. But yeah balance is overall excellent and they are very close.
winter i once came into your stream... and you didnt like my joke... I said winters face is so cold, if i stuck my touge to it it would freeze and stick there forever lol i almost go banned lol
lfg
Did you just slipped that maxpqx is a she??