This BRONZE thinks he deserves a HIGHER RANK... so we made him prove it... (IN A PLAT LOBBY)
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- What happens when you put a BRONZE player in a PLATINUM lobby? Can they hold their weight and get out of elo hell? 🤔
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I think an interesting idea would be to ask the people he plays with how they feel he did
i was in that game and he did ask us but idk why it didn't make it into the video
He usually does idk why he didnt do it this video
Thats good, they colud vote with the rank they think he should be.
guess no one is reading my reply
@@karan3608 so if you were in that game, what did you think of him in the game?
3:19 just to clarify this yes, ramattra can negate most of the flux damage if he holds block and looks straight up before hitting the ground
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Yeah, you take absolutely no damage if you do that
Same with Doom
Sweet. Didn’t know this!
Big if true
25:20 most beginner tanks don't realize that charging through shields is good for offense but it also means that the supports can't shoot through the same shield to heal you.
That’s when you gotta reinforce with orisa or bubble with zarya. Just so the enemy team can say “oh shit he’s pushing hard”
As a healer main thank you for saying this I get yelled at so much and I’m like bruh you ran thru their barrier tf am I supposed to do 😂
@@Frosty_tortuga Only Mercy can heal thru barriers
@@Alex_Aramayo zen orbs too
@bovium4583 Moira's balls too
As a plat tank player, I generally thinks he need better game sense e.g engaging/ disengaging, resource management, and target priority. I wouldn't be too concerned with the aim as good game sense can carry a player normally.Overall it's way better than an average bronze and he should be a high sliver or mid gold player.
Shut up plat
@@spimbles you’re gold you are of similar skill to a bronze just with more play time..😅
Silver for sure
Tbh no clue what u said but im plat 1
Tbh no clue what u said but im diamond 1
Hes also gotta learn timing of orisa cooldowns, lot of times hes combining fortify and block or using block at the end of fortify and using both of his defensive cds. Its okay sometimes if its absolutely necessary, but you forcibly overextend regardless of how much if you walk forward with her abilities on cd. Especially if playing against ana or zen
I feel like this dude has really good potential to climb. There's a lot he's lacking but you can just tell he has that sense and potential in him to improve compared to a lot of others you see who are just lost causes. He has good cover awareness (He may not use it well but he's aware of it) and good predictions on when an enemy is going to ult etc. I think if he was put in silver lobbies and was aware of LOS to his supports, he'd do well. Aim comes over time, it's not something you really need to hard focus on in low elo as a tank main
Something i noticed a few time when he was low health; he would go back and use the cart for cover for example but he would regain LOS with the enemy immediately instead of waiting to recover HP/CDS for the time possible to do that behind cover.
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5:30 : “I’m not streaming so you don’t have 2-3 thousand people watching”
Also jay3
20:15 : “chat I swear to go if he steps on the trap”
Probably streamed on Discord with screen share.
Video idea: take a plat player and drop them in a lobby of bronzes but don’t tell them. See how long it takes them to figure it out or if they never do. You could try this with a dps, a tank, and a support and see how much of a difference having one good player on a team full of bronze in each category makes.
And that's where come in.
I crawled myself SOLO out of Bronze into Silver. Although this was Open Comp. Which is what I prefer honestly.
It was truly hard AF to move up.
Had to get good with Sigma, had to get good with Sojourn. Plus, adapt with how I aim.
I've done crazy stuff with Sigma though. I'm not sure if I'm better than this guy here... Who knows? I'm working on my Ram/Winston if I'm not making Sigma.
@@frankcoley1537 wow u got out of bronze 🎉 i got out of masters
@@jade-yl6ek no one cares just be happy for the guys personal accomplishment
@@ben10e34 i was being sarcastic lmaoo
@@ben10e34 fucking nerd
I’m not a tank player at all but as a Diamond support I’d say the biggest part of what I see he can fix is his positions and engagement. To be able to get heals but have map control and when to engage he can work on a little. 👍
You have to look up while blocking to take less damage
@@waitwhat238 when sigma uses gravitic flux, in the game code, the damage technically impacts you from above. Using block as Ram, you take like, 15 damage only when yku look directly upwards when caught in flux
@@Dark_Souls_3 Ramattra is even more op than I thought lol
@@Dark_Souls_3 does that work with doom?
@@eduardogc1404 yes
@@eduardogc1404 and bastion I think too
This one was very impressive! Excited to see you climb, Toka!
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I think he was pretty good. He has those key elements needed to climb and improve at the game, so with a bit of effort I think he could reach Plat for sure.
Don't think he was that bad honestly just seems to have not very good awareness of what is happening around them. Being aggressive works very well in Bronze because aim and mechanical skill is much worse so you get away with not needing to use cover or position well as a tank but he gets punished all the time without ever changing his style here. Kept screaming for him to stop running out into the open to let them shoot him instead of play cover and corners to make them have to come around a corner to fight. They were on attack and were doing that to him instead of the other way around.
Can we also analyse the supposed plat players on his team.
His dps and healers refused switching fast or at all even being heavily countered or don't take oppertunities to play heroes that can exploit weaknes the other team comp was providing.
I figure it was probably they main certain heroes and are uncomfterable on those that would be a better option.
I think the guy did more than fine and his teammates decisions and hero picks are overlooked.
@@Lukyfishstik unfortunately this is very common for some plats also depends on region because of course some are worse and some are better
5 bronze who think they should be play vs plats would be a good video
It’s gonna be entertaining but the bronze team is gonna get COOKED
@@morvrt8982 but imagine how insane it would be if they held their own. would be a 1% chance of happening
@@mentarium I'd say theres an even better chance than that the bronzes can hold their own. plats are super inconsistent. I've had games with a guy who went absolutely crazy, the next game he wasnt hitting any shots
@@Novafan Me with hanzo lmao
For the ult damage at 3:25 you can take less damage if you're in nemesis form and you guard while looking up. Works on Doomfist too.
Taking this one into consideration!
Does it work on Rein?
Top 500 player here, all in all I think they all did good and I believe with a little practice he can most definitely improve his rank, either A by improving his sense, or B working in his game sense. Personally if I were him I’d switch to a new/different account, that way he’ll be able to throw his old MMR behind and he can start fresh from high silver to goal. With all considered not bad, and nice video 😁
didnt they make fresh acc mmr start at bronze V now?
when you are in nemesis form you look up and hold your right click down to take less damage from gravity flux
Love this, you literally take like 15 damage
So you get invisible damage from the top? Tf is that shit
@@mistameff3528 No because Sigma's Ult pushes you down with force duh
@@mintygreen8618 Ahh you get pushed down so you gotta block the top, that makes even less sense
DUH
I'm assuming it's a bug.
I never played OW1, been grinding OW2 and just got plat on all roles. Especially for tank I think the biggest change is how much faster the game plays. You could see on defence that he was just getting overwhelmed because he wasn't used to the process of fight -> reposition -> fight -> reposition, and could instead (in his rank) take his time after each fight to chase for extra elims or just stand around. He had the time to reposition to high ground but it only clicked that he needed to do it after the monkey had dove in.
I found that the hardest step up in bronze -> plat on tank was in gold, because it's at that point where the other team is consistently working together and you can no longer just run around as a raid boss. From gold onwards you have to be so much more aware of predicting where the other team will go, and managing how you can protect your teammates.
I like that Jay is talking as if chat was there when he recorded this video. 😭
That's how it works when you make content in YT. It's pretty standard
With sig ult if you’re doom or rammatra, look up and use your block to reduce the damage
That tank is for sure better than the regular bronze player, dunno about plat though.
I think with him being nervous it affected a lot of his gameplay If he was more comfortable he would play a lot better, I honestly don't think we should say we would "dominate him" He is very much still a newish player and he has a lot to work on. some of these comments need to get a grip why don't you do what he is doing instead? 🤣😂
You should put an entire team of bronze players who think they deserve higher against an entire team of that rank so that they arent just carried.
Haven’t even pressed play yet but I’m pretty sure he’s gonna be lost
Edit: A lil better than expected tbh a solid gold
Did a lot better than i thought tbh
Honestly the biggest thing is that his aim sucks
He’s better than me
Silver 1
No he sold his Orisa always pushing with his skills to the enemy zone 21:38 if that Hanzo use the Dragons he will die ez.
This issue with his aim is debatable. Rammatra's primary forces you to shoot where they are going rather than where they are due to how slowly it travels. It was a bit wonky but understandable.
Look at his tracking on orissa. His aim is very shaky and training could be better
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The thing about sigma ult and taking less damage is true. You need to look directly up when blocking to apply the damage reduction because the actual 50% dmg of your total health comes from above when you get pushed back down. It's been a thing since Sigma was first released but it hasn't been useful tech since no hero had a block ability until doom got reworked.
1:00 immediately the first mistake shows, before even leaving the spawn room.
What a Tank who understands playmaking at plat+ level would ideally do: "Guys we push straight right to stairs and fight them on the high ground before we worry too much about payload"
What an avg Tank player does: Exits spawn room, defaults to payload, grasp towards whatever value they may find through merely existing on the objective.
This is not a roast, it's just critical observation that shows the main difference already just lies in mindset. This player is not acting like the playmaker a Tank is supposed to be at higher levels. They're not displaying a sense of understanding the map and the hurdles they are likely to face, nor show a proactive approach to how they want to take fights. If the tank doesn't know how they want to take fights, usually their team crumbles from the lack of direction and it just evolves into separate duels and small skirmishes that rely on individual carry potential, rather than cohesive teamwork.
And this is the most basic level of playmaking I'm talking about. Knowing what trouble they may face ahead of fight, communicating a basic plan for how to deal with that, and then executing to the best of their ability on said plan. This is what lower level tank players must learn in order to prove themselves worthy of higher rank play.
And all this said, he definitely didn't play like a Bronze tank, I'd say his aggression and good (for bronze) mechanics help a lot here. It's mostly the game sense, and understanding the flow of fights a bit better, also being perhaps a bit better at filtering out noise in all the information that is being dumped every second, but that'll come with experience. Bronze is tough to get out of, but his gameplay is silver/gold worthy at least, if he just keeps at it then the grind will get him there in time.
his gamesense and cooldown awareness was pretty good but his aim i feel like was still bronze. It could also be that he was really nervous which could result in shivering aim. he did quite decent overall tho
Just on Ramatra tho. His CD usage on Orisa was a different story....
He's good to rank up to about a Gold 2 to Plat 5, there's no shot he did that well with plat teams, if he wasn't at least Bottom Gold.
This is actually one of the first ones that do deserve a higher rank
You can't block flux with Rammatra block anymore, you used to be able to look at the sky and block but now it doesn't work anymore if anyone was curious, it was considered a bug and was removed season 3 I believe
There are tons of players stuck in bronze-gold that don't belong there. It's a team game and there are so many terrible players in that rank that you just get teams you can't carry half the time. Your teammates either feel goated or like they're someone's little brother that they gave the controller to
Jay was having flashbacks at 21:38 LOL
6:24 I'm high gold tank, on an easy streak to platinum with 10 wins in a row, and I loved the Orisa swap on the hog, but wasn't the proudest of how he handled his abilities and all those wasted spears.
Jay said he wishes support wouldn’t so much damage either because they got for dps more than heals and I agree fully wit him I hate when people pick healers and only do dps
Overall agree with the consensus, certainly not plat. Would say can get to mid silver playing as is. Looking at the aspects that are easily improvable, game sense, decision making aim being the most apparent, getting to gold and then grind to plat and further from there seems like achievable goals if the effort is put in.
theres so many moments where he does unnecessary things instead of blocking while in nem form to recover health
The fact that he do play around corner and does not overextended while enemies are trying to bait him in, he's definitely beyond bronze.
His aim is really jumpy though
@Roy Huang that's a combination of rammatra's fire and he won't be used to players moving that fast in bronze
his ability is above bronze for sure. he puld not look out of place in low gold
I know, Bronze, Silver, Gold. 99.9% of the time the opposing tank will switch to Orisa when they can't get the upper hand, I try to always just be prepared for the Orisa/Pharah swap outs.
I really want to play in one of these, I was plat last season on dps but this season has been rough getting out of gold losing matches with 50 kill games
He actually is pretty decent though. He definitely has the potential to climb. Just gotta work out a few things
I can tell this guy wouldve played a lot better if he wasnt so nervous
It's hard knowing some people going to be negative no matter how good you do so if you play not the best it hurts your ego
I think a lot of Bronzes are way, way better than most of them and most outsiders think, because Bronze is literally hell and the biggest thing to overcome is the absolute chaos. In a team game, having four capable teammates is such a massive change for a Bronze player, then they're the only weak link. Lets them focus on improving their own mistakes.
Tbh when they was defending first point I would have gone Dva, she can counter monkey and hog
Yeah personally I struggle A LOT with seeing traps. Lmao no wonder im stuck in silver
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I watched the whole video he need to fix his aim and cover his teammates as a tank. Idk why he was playing solo 💀
Things that made him look like a gold: Awareness at the beginning of fights and overall positioning
Things that make me think he's a high-bronze to silver:
His awareness/decision-making mid fight (his rapid mouse movements looked sporadic and lost), aim, timing of ults
Facts are facts. ELO hell is real for tanks in Bronze and this proves it. Playing with higher level players shows the flaws and gaps and staying in Bronze will not improve his gameplay. Additionally, as he is in Bronze, his team will not play well enough for him to utilize better positioning, resource mgt, and target priority. He will have to outplay the entire other team to advance. The chance of ALSO getting someone that is better than Bronze, yet in bronze, on the same team is not likely to happen often. I keep saying it. Tank is the hardest role in the game and the hardest to advance because it requires team play. In OW1, I was stuck in bronze for 2 years as a tank. For sure some of that was me just being terrible lol however, I got a new account and went straight to gold. Stayed in gold for three months and moved to plat, then diamond, then ending in mid masters. In OW2 I am now again masters 4. Bronze is a joke to get out of because both terrible play and people that get in game and say "they don't care because it's bronze". Good luck man!
Blocking while looking up when in flux reduces dmg taken by 80%
i was hoping he would play in a higher elo. i just started playing and climbed from bronze to plat really quickly and the game doesnt feel very different. the only difference is in low elo you find a lot more trolls or quitters and you just hope they are on the other team.
This dude deserves plat. I feel like most of the times my plat tanks are worse. And hes not negative. Ofc he needs to lern some stuff, but kverall I wouldn't mind him in my game
like how the enemy tank went hog giving the true plat experience
I'm in sort of elo hell. Its just the matchmaking system thats dumb. I get matched and fight with gold players, (and even plat sometimes) but i'm in silver
I'm Gold, I am not in the elo hell, but I see the same thing. Sometimes I have Silver, Gold, plat and in rare cases diamonds. Fortunately, diamond players tend to be support. So their influence is limited, but it's still funny
17:15 been saying this is why elo hell exists. im higher on dps than tank and the position i take on tanks gets punished and my team says im feeding but the ana wont stop hard camping the wall in spawn
I mean im in plat/diamond and our lobbies are never full of all plat or diamond… it’s constantly silver gold at best… stepping into all same rank game is a different kettle fish for any person to play at lower ELO.. the 2 up/down matchmaking makes for a mad variety of ELO in every game.
4:02 while using ramatra gotta look up whle block to not get dmg by sigma ult
Looks like he needs a little work on his mechanical skill but his game sense is wayyy ahead of an average bronze. This dude goin places
look up while blocking in nemesis form to negate almost the entirety of the damage
His resource management, target priority and use of cooldowns are all fine. I'd say arguably plat. His comms or good, he doesn't do the bronze headless chicken act that is so common. He clearly lacks a bit of awareness. Probably not tracking ultimates or important cooldowns. But another issue, that is most speculation: We only saw him play Ram and Orisa. I fear that these are the only 2 he can play and if he swapped onto Rein or Winston, we'd see play much more typical of a Bronze player and not every situation is going to call for Ram or Orisa. He's probably losing matches due to the comps because of his inability to switch.
the primary reason why you see vids like these with the bronze tank/dps doing fairly good despite their low rank, is because of the fact that in bronze and silver NOBODY FUCKING HEALS (with some exceptions of course) . also you will always have a moira in every single one of your games.
Blizzard's ballancing is like: Hey this is the most broken character in game rn and nobody can stand playing against them anymore. So we're gonna micro balance everyone else for 2 patches and then we'll work on that ok?
Honestly played a bit made silver 4 on both dps and tank… few “cards” later and I’m gold 5 and plat 4 after almost never having played overwatch before.. anyone who can’t make it out of gold and below doesn’t have general mechanical skill imo
Block while looking straight up to negate Flux with Ram
This guy reminds me a LOT of my own play, and I'm still bronze 5. I'm taking this video as a proxy for my own play and taking comfort in the fact that I could hold my own in a gold/plat lobby
the only thing i'd recommened (I'm plat so not huge advice) his aim looked a bit shaky, thats how mine was, i turned my sens down and DPI up and it really helped out my gameplay
To be honest I think this dude could make it into plat if he trained up his aim, also he looked kinda flustered when going in with nemesis form.
Sometimes players can struggle with "playing down to your opponent's level" - where someone who's this skilled and could easily fit into a gold lobby is having a hard time climbing in bronze because they make more mistakes and play less skillfully when they're matched against worse opponents. That and positioning when your healers may be less reliable is a separate skill which tanks need to learn to climb out of lower ranks too.
I'd think it's either thaaat, or this guy just hasn't played enough ranked games for his rank to naturally climb out of where he got placed.
I used to be plat when I had a squad now as a solo player I can’t reach higher then gold 😂 teamwork makes the dream work
I think he did very well for a bronze, quite insecure about positioning, I think he needs to work on being proactive more and the positioning will come as he gets more confident, but too aggressive without keeping an eye on his health and enemy shields
Got to say, very few bronze players sees the junkrat traps, for some reason that was the only thing I had a problem noticing while I learned very quickly to keep eyes on everything else, and I've seen a lot of people even up to gold rank having trouble with the traps
this guy is way better than bronze. He must be in elo hell for sure. Most bronze players dont have anywhere near as much game sense as this guy.
I’m new here and I love these type of vids, also the ones where you gotta find the gc, keep it up
I would like you to make more of these videos and give feedback at the end like in this video
This stuff is really helping me out
Thanks as always
I would honestly say his aim would improve just lowering his sensitivity. Should probably shoot for a mouse sensitivity * dpi of 3000 to 4000? High sens makes those jitters way worse.
This is how I picture myself in OW2 lol I play support and I’ve been playing since the beginning of 2020 so I just find it funny
Him saying Dorado is the worst map hurts me because it's the only map I pop off on
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The first thing I notice is his aim isn't very good and is not focused, maybe that is the nerves but he missing alot of shots with his primary fire that he could be getting alot more value. Overall awareness seems to be pretty good, but a little late on some ability uses like using javelin spin to contest payload, or using fortify to not be knocked off the payload by hog. The orisa swap was a good choice against hog but missed alot of spears. Reminds me of when I switched from console to PC, I had the knowledge but not the aim and its frustrating because you know you are better but are learning new controls at the same time.
Plant tank currently, definitely think he could be in anywhere from high silver to high gold MAYBE low plat with a good team
He's much better than bronze. He plays smart most of the game, but he has these really bad lapses where he over extends or has bad target priority.
As ramatra enjoyer myself I got very frustrated seeing him not using vortex
its crazy these people always think they deserve to be way higher, like if they only thought they deserve to be 1 rank higher i could get behind that
Plat is a little enthousiastic, but i think he can probably hit and stay in Silver
Yeah tbh his aim is trash
Jay3 you should do one of these where you title the video this bronze thinks they deserve a higher rank so we put them in a top 500 lobby and just have it be a normal match with flats or someone lol
I think his Rammatra gameplay is really strong. I think he was just worried that he'd get punished if he just ran in with his ult which held him back.
His Orisa gameplay is pretty bronze though😂 If I had to say it was silver level gameplay with plat level comms.
I soloed to diamond on support this season with Ana and kiriko. If I can do it anyone can 🥰
Definitely deserves like a high silver or low gold tbh, the supports had to pocket him so much
Honestly, i always been into plat/diamond elo depending of the amount of time I put / the meta i play on and I think between bronze and plat there is not much of a difference in term of talent. To me bronze is made of new players or people who doesnt care ( or doesnt focus on their mistake) and plat is just some casual player with a bit more of play time and who actually try to improve ( a little bit ). Once you reach diamond, you can start talking about talent but nobody is playing everything correctly. ( So they still do a few errors). I cant talk for master gm and top 500 but i assume they just do less and less mistakes while playing until they get good enough to reach top 500.
Low rank players love to have their mouse sensibility cranked up, that’s why they can’t hit anything. Dude’s mouse is shaking like crazy and making me nauseous 😫
bro was definitely lagging with the way his camera snapped
I feel like when he javelined reaper and got nano’d and he ulted he should’ve held his ult a little longer.
Already knew this was bad when he said dorado 1st point attack as ram
The first game man... It looked winnable if he killed hog with ult
Jay really needs to pay attention. Blizzard is working to balance hog mid to late January patch. Sure their balancing is bad but hold judgement on the lack of hog balancing until they release the damn patch for him that they've given a date for for awhile now (this was in response to him saying "Hogs still broken, they haven't changed him").
The first time I played competitive I had very low expectations I thought I was going to get bronze 5 in tank then after my 5 wins I got silver 2 and I so freaking happy to get that as my first comp rank I’ll take it
These videos just prove to me the ranking system in OW is broken. People nitpicking about things but I've seen much higher ranked people play a lot worse than this guy.
Does not deserve Plat at all. That's the question so it's a simple answer, no need for fluff or excuses. How he is playing now, not ready for anything other then bronze
One thing I never get is why not have him or someone else pull up his career profile and go into stats for the game. Of course we could speculate and see some off things with gameplay but if he’s positive KDA and mitigating insane damage they might not be the rank they play with but they are definitely higher