That’s the last Mac Pro , by time next year Apple won’t update the hardware. Same reason that happen to trash can. I own the 2010 Mac Pro, Apple never made upgrade video cards for that line. Still today Apple never made video cards with Apple ROM so we could get boot screen
9:16 it’s not new Apple put a internal FireWire port in sawtooth g4. 11:55 who in their right mind, put a tower on their desk? I keep my Mac Pro on the floor so I don’t hear fans going. You also losing desk space that way.
@@macgamer1973 stick MacOS on a vm man, then you don't have to worry about that. all you do is upgrade your hardware as u please and run either Server, Linux, or Win10 as host OS. But if your a gamer, then just ditch MacOS altogether ;)
No joke, I booted up a 5 year old intel i5-4700k? & it only had 16gb of Ram... Win 7 + Chrome open, no way for me to even run a 4k video! Not Chromes fault, just shocked me is all... AMD just helped kill the iMac 14-20k builds! 5-6k 3950x is epic! Threadripper even more! Thanks.
Dude, use two hands next time when rotating the monitor to portrait orientation. Having the monitor at an angle is not a good look for a detail oriented pro like you.
I just want to say the base mac pro is not powerful by any stretch of the word. The machines that actually have reasonable specs are extremely over priced compared to actual workstations (not pos dell and hp servers)
I will totally disagree about it being targeted at video and photo users. If that was the case NVidia support would of been a top priority... Apple have just thrown it in the bin because of who can make the better drivers, totally pathetic. As for the display the LCD module has been replaced with one targeted at photo, film and video supports full VRR, 4K, all HDR formats, all colour spaces and all frame rates used in film, plus more LED zones... this also makes it questionable for the film studio audience... studios have massive budgets and would be using reference monitors anyway. I love the fact people think the monitor is targeting the reference spec but totally disregard that a minimum spec (budget) reference monitor needs to be dual layer LCD for it to be considered so. Sony only recommend dual layer LCD as a budget option as you can’t turnoff the pixels completely... only OLED meets the complete spec and you have to pay for that.
Do some research which architecture ATI, NVIDIA runs certain video editing tasks in this machine. They are not as dumb at Apple... as for monitor colour space is not a question once it is calibrated. Oled is degrading by time, for photography less pixel density is better for sharpness evaluation no need for 4K.
Paul Shark OLED is the reference, even LED’s degrade with time... EIZO only guarantees a certain number of hours for the quality to be consistent. Apple should have waited for the panel I specifically mentioned since it was designed for that video/photo use cases.
Someone somewhere will buy the base model as a Facebook machine,and someone somewhere else will buy the fully maxed out configuration as a Facebook machine.
Search for this guy on youtube - Neil Parfitt. He is a professional music designer/editor of some kind. go see his videos. He showed what kind of people this Mac pro machine is made for. He shows his use cases, his workflows. he also shows how much of his physical hardware was all replaced with just one Mac pro. He also showed how that insane CPU/RAM combo is utilized by his softwares. Nice videos to watch. Average photoediting or video editing does not require a hardware costing this much.
@Ed O'Neill Neil has recorded at Abbey Road Studios. Don't know how much more truly professional, industrial, or commercial of an environment you want to get than that, but I'll give you a hint that it doesn't have to do with video (did you even watch his?)
Well how do you work that one out when this machine has only been on the market for 5 minutes and the only people that can afford one can tend be the most money orientated people.
@Ed O'Neill how is that a News Flash? If this Anyone has money, they can pay for Mac Pro, they can pay for a crane shot, they can pay for an ARRI Alexa IMAX, what difference does that make? Have you recorded or mixed at Abby Road Studios?
“I feel like Lightroom is the first thing to start slowing down” surprising absolutely no one who has ever used that wretched beautiful frustrating software of glory
I'm over here holding out with Mojave so I can use the last Lightroom Classic 6 (the standalone, 32-bit, non-CC-screw-you-Adobe version of Lightroom for macOS)
8000$ for the photography setup? You can get that even cheaper in the apple world. Low end specs make 0 sense on the iMac pro. Not even to speak of a similar spec windows system. You are paying a huge premium for the ability to spec it out. At min 6:10 you also test video by testing prores 4:4:4? That is the easiest codec for the system, because it has the least compression. Something like H.265 is where you need processing power. (Especially if you go for a variant that doesn't have hardware decoding support)
Very satisfied with my iMac Pro for professional video editing on a daily basis, keeping it for the next 3/4 years, it’s a powerful and reliable workstation and has been paying for itself. Then I’ll eventually upgrade to the Mac Pro. Nice video, greetings.
I've been working in the media industry for 15+ years now. Was Mac all the way till 2017. Switched to a PC and well, never looked back. I still use a Mac though. It's mostly for FCP. Like editing interviews and such. Everything else, C4D, AE, PS, Illustrator, Premier and everything resource intensive, I do on my PC. I have a Ryzen 9 3950x PC with a 2080Ti card and nvme in raid and a 5TB SSD & 20TB HDD. The price for the entire rig is dirt cheap compared to a Mac Pro. I guess what I must consider is that it doesn't seem viable in terms of price to performance ratio. But, for pure bragging rights about how much money you make, well, I guess this is the way to go if you have $50k just littered around the house or somethin like pocket change.
I am with you on this. Just building a new Threadripper PC that will blow this new Mac away when I am doing 3d rendering or anything else. I do use a MacBook Pro at work for design but that is not by choice.
Customers 2010: Cheesegrater is great! Good job Apple, keep at it! Phil Schiller 2013: Can't innovate anymore, my ass! Here you go, black trashcan with lots of cables and bad thermal design Customers: Cheesegrater was great, just give us a cheesegrater pls Apple: … Customers: pls? Apple 2019: ok, we hear you. we really listen to you! Cheesegrater it is. Customers: Starting at $6000, is this a joke? was $2500 before Apple 2020: ok ok maybe we put in ARM so you can run iPad apps on it, too? This wat you want?
The Mac Pro wasn't designed with only photographers and filmmakers in mind. It's also designed for Data Scientists, App developers and programmers, machine learning engineers among others. This is a quite common misconception about the Mac Pro.
Great vid. No prosumer really "needs" a Mac Pro. Only movie studios, VFX firms, etc. stand to actually gain anything from it. The value proposition even for RUclips work is just not there. A high-end macbook or iMac is still perfectly viable for most, if not all, creative tasks than involve the Mac OS.
iMac Pro 2017 64GB of Ram, 18 Cores and Vega 64X 16GB of HBM2 and one Port 10 Gigabit... For 9,000$ It's much more recomended. But if You don't need MacOS Epyc 32 cores + 96GB of Ram + 1 TB Evo 970 + TITÁN RTX 24GB 10,500$ but this PC has much more Raw Power, at least the double of the iMac Pro un CPU.
@@GeckoClever because Epyc has more PCI Express and if You need can install 6 RTX TITÁN directly to the MotherBoard, and with Threadripper You can't do that. For heavy profesional Work and very fast rendering. And the cost is of 20,000$, Even more cheaper than the Mac Pro with Dual Vega II Dúo and 28 core that cost more of 25,000$. So, Epyc for Upgradiability
12:23, another cool thing about the fans is that the housing around the blades actually spins with them, minimizing turbulence. We have so many fan makers out of them and yet I believe this has been novel to the Pro so far.
as a product designer, there are many things on the mac pro that are engineering/industrial design marvels and TBH thats what your paying for. The fit finish on this machine is something to marvel at and miss it an go by spec alone, its made to last
"How can I do more" Do everything over three XDR monitors. Great video i'm looking to invest in the base Mac Pro for my retouching business and scale up when needed. Getting more and more into Motion Graphics these days.
This video was brilliant. No surprise being a photographer it was lit to perfection. I loved the angle from below when you were talking. I wouldn’t usually think to do that but the perspective shift made me feel like a kid; you’re the boss, educating me. 🤣👌🏻 Subscribed. Great content.
You said budget conscious at 5:07...if that is the case you wouldn't buy this machine. A more powerful and more capable machine built with Ryzen CPUS would be faster and cost less than a comparable Mac Pro Machine. I am not sure even 3d professionals or video editors or compositors should buy a mac pro. It is just way too expensive compared to PCs with comparable hardware.
Thanks Tyler, like you I can admire from afar but can't afford one. I am also a freak about fan noise but found that most workstation class computers such as the HP Z series have this tamed. My one complaint about the Mac Pro, well besides the price, is the strange fixation Apple has with AMD Radeon graphic cards or should I say hatred of Nvidia. Frankly, if you do a lot of rendering Nvidia is often the go to card but the bad blood between the two companies means no support in the Mac Pro for Nvidia. That's a deal breaker for me.
Nvidia's architecture is not as powerful in certain video, photography editing as Ati's. Do some research on it some folks are testing already out there.Depends what kind of editing you are doing. Not talking about gc power but their architecture.
Your review style reminds me of Dieter Bohn from The Verge, which i think is the best and only worth to watch from them. Nice work, i really loved the video
Hey Tyler! Love your videos. Especially love the treatments you use to spice up your screen recordings. Could you provide a little insight into how you go about those?
Heck no! Shoot, they don't even need an Apple computer. You can make some creative projects with just your phone. Thanks for the highly detailed review!
At this point being a youtuber or "influencer" and using this kind of equipment is a little overrated and just unnecessary. I mean there are people out there making awesome content on cheapo computers and then people posting on facebook with insanely priced machines. In the the case of this video it makes complete sense. Edit: awesome video btw
On the contrary, I believe content creators today are probably highest on the pecking order of those who churn out media in huge volumes and would greatly benefit them in their world where turnover times and deadlines can be super un-forgiving. A reliable machine is worth the money.
Never have so many people made videos about a computer that they have no use for or can't afford. Who actually uses this thing ? And it is so funny that people say it has more power than they need when the base 8 core processor is about the speed of an AMD 3600X and the 16 core about a 3950X. These are extremely well selling CPUs in the non Mac world.
TechGuy There's people relying on MacOS - it's that simple. Though I would second the claim that abput 99% of YiuTubers making videos about this machine don't need it. The remaining 1% is people like Neil Parfitt, who actually make use of it. But then again, they have their reasons for why they won't use Ryzen/Hackintosh.
Not a Mac guy at all (even though my job has issued me a Macbook Pro for Adobe work)....but even I have to admit that this tower is a pretty gorgeous design. Sadly the price tag is not reasonable per most Apple products when compared to Windows machine (IMO). Beautifully shot footage in this vid - nice work.
HP Z8 G4: 2x 28cores and 3TB of ram. Even the old z840, that you can't even buy anymore takes 2tb of ram and maxes out at 2x 18 cores. My 8! year-old z620 has 192gb of ram, just like your r2d2. Yet the main point is: None of that even matters anymore in 2020. If you have serious workloads, you have a small render farm. If you don't have serious workloads, you can wait 5 minutes longer. In case you haven't already transitioned to GPU render. And for that, you should actually have a few Nvidia drivers going... which the mac doesn't.
I am a VFX artist and CG generalist. This machine makes no logical sense for me or any VFX company to purchase. Nvidia GPUs are objectively better for their CUDA cores and RTX acceleration. AMD is better performance for money when it comes to CPUs. Apple chose the worst of the two worlds. Intel CPU, AMD GPU. An idiot designed this thing and you would have to be stupid to buy it
Hey Tyler Stalman, What I would like to see Blender 3d Software Performance executed on the Mac Pro. What will be the results of that test? And can the Pro Res card can be configured to boost EVEE and Cycles Rendering in Blender. All you RUclips testers say that it should run great for 3-D but you never show that. Apple gave you a test machine but you don’t test it on the 3-D. That you say it would run great on this is something that love to see. To determine, If it is justifiable to spend $10,000 to $50.000 to accelerate a Mac Pro using Blender, Unreal engine, Da Vinci resolve Final Cut Pro and Motion to make a virtual studio inside expensive ass Mac Pro.
1.5tb of ram? supermicro do up to 3tb on a few of their single cpu workstations (more on multi-cpu), not that new either. Much better, particularly when you take the after-sales support into account. Internal usb ports have been around in PCs for many years. The limitation of the gen 3 pci-e means you won't get above around 2500MB/s on nvme m.2 drives, let alone if you use more than 1 pci card and it covers everything up. Also what's with the lack of pci slots? I can run a 15000MB/s pci-e card as a hard drive if I have enough space. Still have the 8bit+FRC issue of MacOS when it sends signals to monitors. You still have the update issue with MacOS (once it installs an update for software, you can never get rid of it), this caused a few studios to ditch FCP and Apple all together as there was a 6 month wait for Apple to fix the quicktime audio switching issue that corrupted FCP projects.
Am I the only one that used the Mac Pro to have Bootcamped Windows 10, Windows 8.1, Windows 7, Windows Vista, Windows XP, Google-ChromeBook OS, Linux Ubuntu and Last But Not Lease the Mac Os
Professional movie makers, music composers yes, RUclips content creators and shills no. I’m a professional wedding photographer using huge lightroom catalogs and photoshop on a daily basis, I have only just updated my work computer to a 2019 iMac from a 2015 iMac. They new computer just allows me to workflow a bit faster. I think I got my money’s worth from my 2015 Mac and still made about £600 back from it.
Music Professionals always seem to be left out, which is tackled by Neil Parfitt (who worked on Bravest Warriors) in his review: ruclips.net/video/xNrG2mwt4Uo/видео.html
Cliff Notes Version: No ($$$$$$$) My 2013 "trashcan" MacPro (base model) still going strong and handles everything I need. Tricking out MacPros is either completely useless or diminishing returns and kills "value".
The FPGA can only be reprogrammed a relatively small number of times, so it's unlikely that Apple would let any 3rd party reprogram it in the field. The whole architecture of such an FPGA is devoted to a very specific series of tasks and such tasks are quite different between, say, a ProRes workflow, and a Red workflow, which involves decompressing JPEG2000 (wavelet compression). What's more likely is that specialized formats will have their own accelerator cards.
Ill get one ... ill just sell my house to pay for it........ oh now where do I put it,... Ill get a windows PC instead with 128GB ram a 20 core CPU and ok 4 GFX cards ( that will put up the cost ) 4K to 8K max and most of the would be the GFX cards which 1 would do so say £3K and that inc a M2 fast C: drive for a very fast Boot up and 4x 1TB ssd . Ok so it looks nice and is quiet stick it on the floor away from the mic
I have an 8gb RX 580 card in a 2010 12core MacPro (plus a bunch of solid state storage) and it flies through 4K and 6k raw footage when editing - it’s a little slower than I’d like to render out but seeing as 75% of my work is still HD I think my system will still last me a while. I may look at a this new MacPro in a couple of years time and I’m really glad Apple has made a new tower based professional Mac - I’d much rather stick with a nice quiet Mac than build a cheaper PC and would view a £10k+ system as a long term purchase so guess I’d better start saving now for a 16core model now.
Honest question: why do you get to evaluate this computer, if you don't know what taxes what, or what the various components are for? What's the point of randomly launching stuff with no real plan or goal? Want to use RAM? One image in Photoshop is enough. Just make a large image and add layers, and your Mac will need to read data into memory. Got 1.5TB of RAM? Or even "just" 192GB? Yes, you will need a large image, but that's not a problem using some high res stills and making a panorama or whatever. But more importantly: what the hell is the point of maxing out the RAM? Just goes on to show how misunderstood this non performance increasing component is.
Great video. My only real problem with this machine is the cost of entry. In Australia the absolute base model starts at $AU10,000 and it's a really crappy spec for the price. As a software dev, this just isn't the machine for me anyway but that's my main objection. A top end iMac is ~50% cheaper with a spec that SMOKES the base Mac Pro.
If you want to use the RAM then you load 4000 tracks in Cubase all streaming samples from an orchestral library template, you'll eat up that 192GB very quickly, it won't reach 1.5TB but that's at least 256GB worth of stuff
I think the most frustrating bit about this release is how it exemplifies Apple's intention to shoehorn its users into boxes, as if anyone who's not working in a cinema studio should just accept working on a Macbook Pro or an iMac. I think there are plenty of people who would love to see mid-range options in a Mac tower, but Apple would rather such users shell out for overpriced laptops to get at that level of performance. Meanwhile, a Ryzen 7 with an RTX 2070 desktop system could actually improve a lot of content creators' workflow without destroying their finances - except Apple has no interest in serving them in earnest, so why don't you but a $2500 Macbook and stop complaining?
tflynn124 - exactly it, have a number of iMac Pros for the studio, but the Mac Pro is so much better for upgrade potential. See if I can justify in after tax year
LTT are returning theres MKBHD has more money than he has brains sorry to say he was just flexing lets be honest not because he needs it just to show he can afford it.
@@hexotech5202 LTT returned because they are PC guys! They could build something better for cheap, for MKBHD it's a good investment I'd say! He's a millionaire! Not for us!
@@Jayakumar So LTT are poor than MKBHD is that what am getting and btw MKBHD had a 8K Dell monitor at a point. but your also right any one can build a better Spec System for a lot cheaper
Spend 8k for the potential to upgrade in the future. I Wish I had that kinda money. Would never spend more than 4K for a computer. 4950x plus 3080ti when it comes out. Best tut Apple.
I want know one thing..... Why apple why not custom pc...while they perform even better ... Is it only for warranty service and hassle free experience and mac oc.. Or anything beyond that....? Please reply
lightroom is like bridge...they are the primadonnas of software they are finnicky and crash/stall easily. Complex 2D and 3Dvector work might start to test the memory...but this machine is a beast
I found this video now, 4 years after and it's hilarious to see how disaster this computer has been. I had one and the display! and selling them was the best decision I made. Waste of money.
a thing I have realised is people aren't talking about what happens to this machine when apple introduces their own ARM silicon. like there's no way they can create a more powerful machine in regards to the CPU and GPU atm, so surely they are going to have to stick to intel? otherwise they loose support for all these GPUs etc, very interesting situation people are not talking about. shows you how long they are going to have to support intel based Macs for unless they dump all these users of the Mac Pro after like 5 years of software support. or can you upgrade and swap out the intel chip for an ARM processor in the future?
You mention that XDR display might be even more out of your range but that really doesn’t make sense. Here is why: The XDR Display at 5k$ offers something nothing else can offer at that price. Mac Pro on the other hand isn’t anything special unless you spend over 15k$ on it which would make it more “out of your range”. A sub 10k$ mac pro is not really a powerful computer. I can’t imagine a youtube channel justifying the cost unless you are producing 8K videos daily.
Sorry, NEC Multisynch 30, 32" PA series colour calibrated monitor seems like does many things better for less, in design you are right. Also for photo evaluation don't forget the pixel size....brightness doesn't matter since you are usually calibrating it around 90-120 cd/m2
Great video. Honestly one of the best I've seen on this topic. Enjoyed how you explained everything. As all your other videos, beautifully lit and shot. Great stuff.
Also had a great conversation with Justin Tse about this video and our experiences with the Mac Pro on the podcast
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I’ll be getting this new Mac Pro, I still have my 2008’ Mac Pro (I paid $5,000.00 for the computer and $999.00 per Screen of which I have two) with 16GB RAM running OS X Sierra, this will be a great upgrade for me with the new Mac Pro.
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Pro Digital Art :
Final Cut Pro X 10.3.4
Blackmagic Design Resolve 15
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Autodesk Suite Entertainment Creation 2011 {Maya, Mudbox & Sketchbook Pro}
Adobe® Creative Suite® 5 Master Collection
Corel Painter 12
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Digital Drawing Tablets : Wacom Cintiq & Intous
*All the same software installed on my mid-2010’ MacBook Pro 💻 running High Sierra 10.13 & a 2015’ 5K iMac 🖥 running Mojave.
**Never had to purchase any anti-virus software for any of my Macs.
***Upgraded from ZBrush 2019’ to 2020
I’m glad that this new Mac Pro will actually be modular and have PCIe slots like my 2008’. Gonna Max it out and be done with it, hopefully it’ll last me 10/11 years like my original did.
Good job apple.
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That’s the last Mac Pro , by time next year Apple won’t update the hardware. Same reason that happen to trash can. I own the 2010 Mac Pro, Apple never made upgrade video cards for that line. Still today Apple never made video cards with Apple ROM so we could get boot screen
9:16 it’s not new Apple put a internal FireWire port in sawtooth g4. 11:55 who in their right mind, put a tower on their desk? I keep my Mac Pro on the floor so I don’t hear fans going. You also losing desk space that way.
@@macgamer1973 stick MacOS on a vm man, then you don't have to worry about that. all you do is upgrade your hardware as u please and run either Server, Linux, or Win10 as host OS.
But if your a gamer, then just ditch MacOS altogether ;)
"How do I use this ram", all you had to do was open Google Chrome. haha great video!
😂 That would make it too easy
I was about to say that damn!
If you open 100 tabs in Google chrome it could kill a powefull server way more powerful than mac Pro 😁😭😎
No joke, I booted up a 5 year old intel i5-4700k? & it only had 16gb of Ram... Win 7 + Chrome open, no way for me to even run a 4k video! Not Chromes fault, just shocked me is all... AMD just helped kill the iMac 14-20k builds! 5-6k 3950x is epic! Threadripper even more! Thanks.
Imagine if he had 3 tabs open all playing RUclips videos, the 1.5TB won't be enough
The 7,1 is so expensive because it is manufactured in America. That added about 2.3x the price to the base model from the previous Mac Pro.
Can’t wait to get mine. Chess is gonna be zippy AF.
Thanks man. You made me smile big. :-)
If they got by without one why would you need one now?
Dude, use two hands next time when rotating the monitor to portrait orientation. Having the monitor at an angle is not a good look for a detail oriented pro like you.
I just want to say the base mac pro is not powerful by any stretch of the word. The machines that actually have reasonable specs are extremely over priced compared to actual workstations (not pos dell and hp servers)
6:25 if you just change the CPU yourself, or at least not buy it from Apple, you save THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS!!!
Actually no. Intel is charging about the same for it. Intel overpriced it. The RAM is ridiculously overpriced by Apple, though.
@@rBennich oh , ok, good point.
No, but they need your glasses.
I will totally disagree about it being targeted at video and photo users. If that was the case NVidia support would of been a top priority... Apple have just thrown it in the bin because of who can make the better drivers, totally pathetic.
As for the display the LCD module has been replaced with one targeted at photo, film and video supports full VRR, 4K, all HDR formats, all colour spaces and all frame rates used in film, plus more LED zones... this also makes it questionable for the film studio audience... studios have massive budgets and would be using reference monitors anyway. I love the fact people think the monitor is targeting the reference spec but totally disregard that a minimum spec (budget) reference monitor needs to be dual layer LCD for it to be considered so. Sony only recommend dual layer LCD as a budget option as you can’t turnoff the pixels completely... only OLED meets the complete spec and you have to pay for that.
Do some research which architecture ATI, NVIDIA runs certain video editing tasks in this machine. They are not as dumb at Apple... as for monitor colour space is not a question once it is calibrated. Oled is degrading by time, for photography less pixel density is better for sharpness evaluation no need for 4K.
Paul Shark OLED is the reference, even LED’s degrade with time... EIZO only guarantees a certain number of hours for the quality to be consistent. Apple should have waited for the panel I specifically mentioned since it was designed for that video/photo use cases.
The slightly tilted display is driving me insane...
To quote Conan O‘Brien: “There’s medication for what you have”.
@@XanderEwald 😂😂
SAME
I'm so fucking angry right now
Ah yes, the infamous, USB-C-A ports
Sounds like the perfect machine for emails and word-processing. We're finally there.
Someone somewhere will buy the base model as a Facebook machine,and someone somewhere else will buy the fully maxed out configuration as a Facebook machine.
Haters going to hate.
@@RX793 Please elaborate.
@@thetrashman5252Is it really necessary to elaborate? SMH
@@RX793 Simp gonna simp
Search for this guy on youtube - Neil Parfitt. He is a professional music designer/editor of some kind. go see his videos. He showed what kind of people this Mac pro machine is made for. He shows his use cases, his workflows. he also shows how much of his physical hardware was all replaced with just one Mac pro. He also showed how that insane CPU/RAM combo is utilized by his softwares. Nice videos to watch. Average photoediting or video editing does not require a hardware costing this much.
lol I dropped the same suggestion
@Ed O'Neill Neil has recorded at Abbey Road Studios. Don't know how much more truly professional, industrial, or commercial of an environment you want to get than that, but I'll give you a hint that it doesn't have to do with video (did you even watch his?)
Well how do you work that one out when this machine has only been on the market for 5 minutes and the only people that can afford one can tend be the most money orientated people.
@Ed O'Neill how is that a News Flash? If this Anyone has money, they can pay for Mac Pro, they can pay for a crane shot, they can pay for an ARRI Alexa IMAX, what difference does that make? Have you recorded or mixed at Abby Road Studios?
@Ed O'Neill Its all down to preference mainly
Your videos are always so clean, Tyler. Nice work. Also, I appreciated the nerdy tests. 🤓👍
Thanks so much Gerald! Now I that I know you watched it I feel bad for not going nerdier
“I feel like Lightroom is the first thing to start slowing down”
surprising absolutely no one who has ever used that wretched beautiful frustrating software of glory
I'm over here holding out with Mojave so I can use the last Lightroom Classic 6 (the standalone, 32-bit, non-CC-screw-you-Adobe version of Lightroom for macOS)
Trying to get away to capture one
You captured perfectly how I feel about Lightroom. I hate but it's so comforting to use at the same time.
Overrated for RUclipsrs same as RED cameras. This is for real pros.
Really glad that someone gets that!
More like for nobody. Nobody needs this. Overpriced gargabe.
@@future9615 actually they do, for making movies, for big companies and stuff but it's definitely an overkill for video editing and daily use.
@@richardthomasalex Except they will use render farms for that, not workstations...
FUTURE as a son of a movie maker in la, you are completely wrong. This is perfect for movies
that zoom in at 2:00 ..... very nice
lol I noticed that too
8000$ for the photography setup? You can get that even cheaper in the apple world. Low end specs make 0 sense on the iMac pro. Not even to speak of a similar spec windows system. You are paying a huge premium for the ability to spec it out.
At min 6:10 you also test video by testing prores 4:4:4? That is the easiest codec for the system, because it has the least compression. Something like H.265 is where you need processing power. (Especially if you go for a variant that doesn't have hardware decoding support)
8:08 what's up with the music?
Aqqib Maula yeah, was very weird
Start Logic and open 200 instances of Kontakt
Very satisfied with my iMac Pro for professional video editing on a daily basis, keeping it for the next 3/4 years, it’s a powerful and reliable workstation and has been paying for itself. Then I’ll eventually upgrade to the Mac Pro.
Nice video, greetings.
What did you do to pay for food and essentials while the computer was paying for itself ?
I've been working in the media industry for 15+ years now. Was Mac all the way till 2017. Switched to a PC and well, never looked back. I still use a Mac though. It's mostly for FCP. Like editing interviews and such. Everything else, C4D, AE, PS, Illustrator, Premier and everything resource intensive, I do on my PC. I have a Ryzen 9 3950x PC with a 2080Ti card and nvme in raid and a 5TB SSD & 20TB HDD. The price for the entire rig is dirt cheap compared to a Mac Pro. I guess what I must consider is that it doesn't seem viable in terms of price to performance ratio. But, for pure bragging rights about how much money you make, well, I guess this is the way to go if you have $50k just littered around the house or somethin like pocket change.
I am with you on this. Just building a new Threadripper PC that will blow this new Mac away when I am doing 3d rendering or anything else. I do use a MacBook Pro at work for design but that is not by choice.
Hey what cameras lighting did you shoot this with. it looks great
*sees title of video*
No, no you don’t.
“I just want to simply waste my money on this masterpiece" 😂
NO! There just saved you 15 minutes. You're welcome
Do Creative Professionals Called Themselves Creative Professionals?
Nope not at all, we list ourselves by our rolls, eg concept designer, illustrator and so on.
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I call myself a creative professional.
I don't. I do UX/UI design, graphic design, industrial design and concept design. I am a designer.
if you can afford it and love apple product, buy it! -end of discussion.
Will I be able to send emails on this thing?
Customers 2010: Cheesegrater is great! Good job Apple, keep at it!
Phil Schiller 2013: Can't innovate anymore, my ass! Here you go, black trashcan with lots of cables and bad thermal design
Customers: Cheesegrater was great, just give us a cheesegrater pls
Apple: …
Customers: pls?
Apple 2019: ok, we hear you. we really listen to you! Cheesegrater it is.
Customers: Starting at $6000, is this a joke? was $2500 before
Apple 2020: ok ok maybe we put in ARM so you can run iPad apps on it, too? This wat you want?
It’s simple if prices is a factor than you don’t need it.
A truly creative person would find something else
The Mac Pro wasn't designed with only photographers and filmmakers in mind. It's also designed for Data Scientists, App developers and programmers, machine learning engineers among others.
This is a quite common misconception about the Mac Pro.
I will tell you how:
Open 3 tabs in Google Chrome
Great vid. No prosumer really "needs" a Mac Pro. Only movie studios, VFX firms, etc. stand to actually gain anything from it. The value proposition even for RUclips work is just not there. A high-end macbook or iMac is still perfectly viable for most, if not all, creative tasks than involve the Mac OS.
Only if they're using mac specific software too
It really does amaze me how badly optimized Lightroom classic is. On intel macs and apple silicon macs.
iMac Pro 2017 64GB of Ram, 18 Cores and Vega 64X 16GB of HBM2 and one Port 10 Gigabit... For 9,000$ It's much more recomended.
But if You don't need MacOS Epyc 32 cores + 96GB of Ram + 1 TB Evo 970 + TITÁN RTX 24GB 10,500$ but this PC has much more Raw Power, at least the double of the iMac Pro un CPU.
why epyc? they are slower than threadripper.
@@GeckoClever because Epyc has more PCI Express and if You need can install 6 RTX TITÁN directly to the MotherBoard, and with Threadripper You can't do that. For heavy profesional Work and very fast rendering. And the cost is of 20,000$, Even more cheaper than the Mac Pro with Dual Vega II Dúo and 28 core that cost more of 25,000$.
So, Epyc for Upgradiability
@@JoseLuis-kk5jt 6x Titan RTX, damn. Some sirious workload you need for this setup.
12:23, another cool thing about the fans is that the housing around the blades actually spins with them, minimizing turbulence. We have so many fan makers out of them and yet I believe this has been novel to the Pro so far.
as a product designer, there are many things on the mac pro that are engineering/industrial design marvels and TBH thats what your paying for. The fit finish on this machine is something to marvel at and miss it an go by spec alone, its made to last
@@gaza4543 Agreed. It makes me realize how stagnant the ATX standards have been. So much good thought in here.
Love the color-grade on your videos! Keep creating Tyler!
"How can I do more" Do everything over three XDR monitors. Great video i'm looking to invest in the base Mac Pro for my retouching business and scale up when needed. Getting more and more into Motion Graphics these days.
Why would you want that? The Base Model is probably slower that your current PC.
This video was brilliant. No surprise being a photographer it was lit to perfection. I loved the angle from below when you were talking. I wouldn’t usually think to do that but the perspective shift made me feel like a kid; you’re the boss, educating me. 🤣👌🏻 Subscribed. Great content.
All your b roll, lighting, etc is so nice in this video. Sick computer, but watched because so much of the video was beautifully filmed.
Thanks so much Tommy! Put some extra work into lighting this one
You said budget conscious at 5:07...if that is the case you wouldn't buy this machine. A more powerful and more capable machine built with Ryzen CPUS would be faster and cost less than a comparable Mac Pro Machine. I am not sure even 3d professionals or video editors or compositors should buy a mac pro. It is just way too expensive compared to PCs with comparable hardware.
Casual people just don't know about AMD.
Thanks Tyler, like you I can admire from afar but can't afford one. I am also a freak about fan noise but found that most workstation class computers such as the HP Z series have this tamed. My one complaint about the Mac Pro, well besides the price, is the strange fixation Apple has with AMD Radeon graphic cards or should I say hatred of Nvidia. Frankly, if you do a lot of rendering Nvidia is often the go to card but the bad blood between the two companies means no support in the Mac Pro for Nvidia. That's a deal breaker for me.
Nvidia's architecture is not as powerful in certain video, photography editing as Ati's. Do some research on it some folks are testing already out there.Depends what kind of editing you are doing. Not talking about gc power but their architecture.
Creativity is about ideas, not the means of expressing it.
Your review style reminds me of Dieter Bohn from The Verge, which i think is the best and only worth to watch from them. Nice work, i really loved the video
Hey Tyler! Love your videos. Especially love the treatments you use to spice up your screen recordings. Could you provide a little insight into how you go about those?
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Heck no! Shoot, they don't even need an Apple computer. You can make some creative projects with just your phone. Thanks for the highly detailed review!
At this point being a youtuber or "influencer" and using this kind of equipment is a little overrated and just unnecessary. I mean there are people out there making awesome content on cheapo computers and then people posting on facebook with insanely priced machines. In the the case of this video it makes complete sense.
Edit: awesome video btw
Thanks for watching, but show me a video production environment that will go through more footage than a full time RUclipsr.
@@stalman What about a movie production?
@@stalman lol maybe I said too much 😅
On the contrary, I believe content creators today are probably highest on the pecking order of those who churn out media in huge volumes and would greatly benefit them in their world where turnover times and deadlines can be super un-forgiving. A reliable machine is worth the money.
@@jonathanpeter1385 yeah I spoke out my ass, i take it back.
Never have so many people made videos about a computer that they have no use for or can't afford. Who actually uses this thing ?
And it is so funny that people say it has more power than they need when the base 8 core processor is about the speed of an AMD 3600X and the 16 core about a 3950X. These are extremely well selling CPUs in the non Mac world.
TechGuy There's people relying on MacOS - it's that simple. Though I would second the claim that abput 99% of YiuTubers making videos about this machine don't need it. The remaining 1% is people like Neil Parfitt, who actually make use of it. But then again, they have their reasons for why they won't use Ryzen/Hackintosh.
Amazing video! And also those photos you showcased are fantastic. Can you share you workflow.or creative process in editing?
Open Chrome and it’ll stall the Mac Pro. lol.... Chrome is garbage. I want the base model Mac Pro but with better GPU.
"Photoshop, is an intensive program" some people say... its not.
If I wasn’t already subscribed, this video would make me subscribe. Super duper useful.
Ryzen 3900X and a 2070 super with 64GB is all you will ever need
I've got Ryzen 5 3600 recently and it blows my mind how good it is
Would love to see a video about your Audio workflow, your videos/podcast always have such crisp sound!
Not a Mac guy at all (even though my job has issued me a Macbook Pro for Adobe work)....but even I have to admit that this tower is a pretty gorgeous design. Sadly the price tag is not reasonable per most Apple products when compared to Windows machine (IMO). Beautifully shot footage in this vid - nice work.
The answer is no.
Seems like iMac Pro better option for most. Parker Walbeck has a good comparison between Mac Pro and iMac Pro.
HP Z8 G4: 2x 28cores and 3TB of ram. Even the old z840, that you can't even buy anymore takes 2tb of ram and maxes out at 2x 18 cores. My 8! year-old z620 has 192gb of ram, just like your r2d2. Yet the main point is: None of that even matters anymore in 2020. If you have serious workloads, you have a small render farm. If you don't have serious workloads, you can wait 5 minutes longer. In case you haven't already transitioned to GPU render. And for that, you should actually have a few Nvidia drivers going... which the mac doesn't.
I am a VFX artist and CG generalist. This machine makes no logical sense for me or any VFX company to purchase. Nvidia GPUs are objectively better for their CUDA cores and RTX acceleration. AMD is better performance for money when it comes to CPUs. Apple chose the worst of the two worlds. Intel CPU, AMD GPU. An idiot designed this thing and you would have to be stupid to buy it
Why people pay so much for this is beyond me. I got better specs on my PC which is just as quiet and more powerful. And only paid $2500. But...idk...
Some people don’t use Windows
@@stalman Linux??? Lol works with PC to, right? I just find the price so hard to justify even with operating systems.
Because they can.
as long as one can earn back the mac pro money within a year. I say go for it no matter what other ppl say is overkill, over price....etc
Hey Tyler Stalman, What I would like to see Blender 3d Software Performance executed on the Mac Pro.
What will be the results of that test?
And can the Pro Res card can be configured to boost EVEE and Cycles Rendering in Blender.
All you RUclips testers say that it should run great for 3-D but you never show that.
Apple gave you a test machine but you don’t test it on the 3-D. That you say it would run great on this is something that love to see.
To determine, If it is justifiable to spend $10,000 to $50.000 to accelerate a Mac Pro using Blender, Unreal engine, Da Vinci resolve Final Cut Pro and Motion to make a virtual studio inside expensive ass Mac Pro.
1.5tb of ram? supermicro do up to 3tb on a few of their single cpu workstations (more on multi-cpu), not that new either. Much better, particularly when you take the after-sales support into account.
Internal usb ports have been around in PCs for many years.
The limitation of the gen 3 pci-e means you won't get above around 2500MB/s on nvme m.2 drives, let alone if you use more than 1 pci card and it covers everything up. Also what's with the lack of pci slots? I can run a 15000MB/s pci-e card as a hard drive if I have enough space.
Still have the 8bit+FRC issue of MacOS when it sends signals to monitors.
You still have the update issue with MacOS (once it installs an update for software, you can never get rid of it), this caused a few studios to ditch FCP and Apple all together as there was a 6 month wait for Apple to fix the quicktime audio switching issue that corrupted FCP projects.
Am I the only one that used the Mac Pro to have Bootcamped Windows 10, Windows 8.1, Windows 7, Windows Vista, Windows XP, Google-ChromeBook OS, Linux Ubuntu and Last But Not Lease the Mac Os
Professional movie makers, music composers yes, RUclips content creators and shills no.
I’m a professional wedding photographer using huge lightroom catalogs and photoshop on a daily basis, I have only just updated my work computer to a 2019 iMac from a 2015 iMac. They new computer just allows me to workflow a bit faster. I think I got my money’s worth from my 2015 Mac and still made about £600 back from it.
‼️ 9:15 “a USB C…A port”
Not a thing.
Also, it’s on the inside so that you can lock the USB key inside of the case and it can’t be tampered with 🙄
Music Professionals always seem to be left out, which is tackled by Neil Parfitt (who worked on Bravest Warriors) in his review: ruclips.net/video/xNrG2mwt4Uo/видео.html
Cliff Notes Version: No ($$$$$$$)
My 2013 "trashcan" MacPro (base model) still going strong and handles everything I need.
Tricking out MacPros is either completely useless or diminishing returns and kills "value".
The FPGA can only be reprogrammed a relatively small number of times, so it's unlikely that Apple would let any 3rd party reprogram it in the field. The whole architecture of such an FPGA is devoted to a very specific series of tasks and such tasks are quite different between, say, a ProRes workflow, and a Red workflow, which involves decompressing JPEG2000 (wavelet compression). What's more likely is that specialized formats will have their own accelerator cards.
This video didn’t age well ‘I don’t think this is a short term solution from Apple”
Ill get one ... ill just sell my house to pay for it........ oh now where do I put it,... Ill get a windows PC instead with 128GB ram a 20 core CPU and ok 4 GFX cards ( that will put up the cost ) 4K to 8K max and most of the would be the GFX cards which 1 would do so say £3K and that inc a M2 fast C: drive for a very fast Boot up and 4x 1TB ssd . Ok so it looks nice and is quiet stick it on the floor away from the mic
I have an 8gb RX 580 card in a 2010 12core MacPro (plus a bunch of solid state storage) and it flies through 4K and 6k raw footage when editing - it’s a little slower than I’d like to render out but seeing as 75% of my work is still HD I think my system will still last me a while. I may look at a this new MacPro in a couple of years time and I’m really glad Apple has made a new tower based professional Mac - I’d much rather stick with a nice quiet Mac than build a cheaper PC and would view a £10k+ system as a long term purchase so guess I’d better start saving now for a 16core model now.
Honest question: why do you get to evaluate this computer, if you don't know what taxes what, or what the various components are for? What's the point of randomly launching stuff with no real plan or goal?
Want to use RAM? One image in Photoshop is enough. Just make a large image and add layers, and your Mac will need to read data into memory. Got 1.5TB of RAM? Or even "just" 192GB? Yes, you will need a large image, but that's not a problem using some high res stills and making a panorama or whatever.
But more importantly: what the hell is the point of maxing out the RAM? Just goes on to show how misunderstood this non performance increasing component is.
Great video. My only real problem with this machine is the cost of entry. In Australia the absolute base model starts at $AU10,000 and it's a really crappy spec for the price. As a software dev, this just isn't the machine for me anyway but that's my main objection. A top end iMac is ~50% cheaper with a spec that SMOKES the base Mac Pro.
If you want to use the RAM then you load 4000 tracks in Cubase all streaming samples from an orchestral library template, you'll eat up that 192GB very quickly, it won't reach 1.5TB but that's at least 256GB worth of stuff
I think the most frustrating bit about this release is how it exemplifies Apple's intention to shoehorn its users into boxes, as if anyone who's not working in a cinema studio should just accept working on a Macbook Pro or an iMac. I think there are plenty of people who would love to see mid-range options in a Mac tower, but Apple would rather such users shell out for overpriced laptops to get at that level of performance. Meanwhile, a Ryzen 7 with an RTX 2070 desktop system could actually improve a lot of content creators' workflow without destroying their finances - except Apple has no interest in serving them in earnest, so why don't you but a $2500 Macbook and stop complaining?
i've speced it out as i would like it on the Australian apple site and it comes to just under $20,000 Aud thanks but no thanks haha!
tflynn124 - likewise an Australian, mine for video studio work sits at just under $30k au. Insane but later on a yes for me.
Quenton Daniels if you can justify the purchase it would speed up your workflow a great deal not to mention upgrades down the line
tflynn124 - exactly it, have a number of iMac Pros for the studio, but the Mac Pro is so much better for upgrade potential. See if I can justify in after tax year
Production house: may be!
RUclipsrs: probably not! May be if you're mkbhd or LTT!
LTT are returning theres MKBHD has more money than he has brains sorry to say he was just flexing lets be honest not because he needs it just to show he can afford it.
@@hexotech5202 LTT returned because they are PC guys! They could build something better for cheap, for MKBHD it's a good investment I'd say! He's a millionaire! Not for us!
JAYA KUMAR lul wut?
@@Jayakumar So LTT are poor than MKBHD is that what am getting and btw MKBHD had a 8K Dell monitor at a point. but your also right any one can build a better Spec System for a lot cheaper
Spend 8k for the potential to upgrade in the future. I Wish I had that kinda money. Would never spend more than 4K for a computer. 4950x plus 3080ti when it comes out. Best tut Apple.
I want know one thing.....
Why apple why not custom pc...while they perform even better ...
Is it only for warranty service and hassle free experience and mac oc..
Or anything beyond that....?
Please reply
I mean it looks great but 10k for a computer. Could never justify that. Probably a PC would be a better choice.
lightroom is like bridge...they are the primadonnas of software they are finnicky and crash/stall easily. Complex 2D and 3Dvector work might start to test the memory...but this machine is a beast
I found this video now, 4 years after and it's hilarious to see how disaster this computer has been. I had one and the display! and selling them was the best decision I made. Waste of money.
open google chrome.
it's favorite dish is RAM
a thing I have realised is people aren't talking about what happens to this machine when apple introduces their own ARM silicon. like there's no way they can create a more powerful machine in regards to the CPU and GPU atm, so surely they are going to have to stick to intel? otherwise they loose support for all these GPUs etc, very interesting situation people are not talking about. shows you how long they are going to have to support intel based Macs for unless they dump all these users of the Mac Pro after like 5 years of software support. or can you upgrade and swap out the intel chip for an ARM processor in the future?
You mention that XDR display might be even more out of your range but that really doesn’t make sense. Here is why:
The XDR Display at 5k$ offers something nothing else can offer at that price. Mac Pro on the other hand isn’t anything special unless you spend over 15k$ on it which would make it more “out of your range”.
A sub 10k$ mac pro is not really a powerful computer. I can’t imagine a youtube channel justifying the cost unless you are producing 8K videos daily.
Sorry, NEC Multisynch 30, 32" PA series colour calibrated monitor seems like does many things better for less, in design you are right. Also for photo evaluation don't forget the pixel size....brightness doesn't matter since you are usually calibrating it around 90-120 cd/m2
Tl;dr hell no!!
Great video. Honestly one of the best I've seen on this topic. Enjoyed how you explained everything.
As all your other videos, beautifully lit and shot. Great stuff.
Is mac pro good for music production? Protools, FL Studio, Native instruments Machine ???
For the cost will stick with 3,1 and upgrade the ram for photography... but still a dream system.
I know were talking about 2 completely different kinds of machines, but the fan noise that come out of my iPad Pro is Zero DB.
that zoom was so beautiful
If you open 3ds max and start to render some hard scene with corona render, your RAM will go away instantly :)
3ds max only runs on Windows.
Matthew Simmonds parallels desktop?
Also corona render have for Cinema 4D.
But maybe in Cinema, Corona more optimized.
The cinematography of this video is 🤯
You can edit 8K R3D Raw on a 2500$ PC machine.
Willem Probst but not with final cut
@@DepressedMusicEnjoyer but we all know that resolve is the future....
@@ros2186 I only use Resolve. Not going to pay Monthly 79€ and it works for bigger projects too.
@@willemprobst4415 my point exactly...
@@DepressedMusicEnjoyer Final cut isnt even used by Hollywood.
Thanks dude I love you like God’s child which I’m pretty sure you one of them 😇