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@@gavinlambert6771 well really its two games with two different games worth of DLC, and how complete is enough to not count as incomplete? bc this 'game' wont technically be complete till the end of game 3 DLC.
Lizardmen have everything the Beastmen hate fighting Heavily armored, tanky frontline that punishes low armor? Check Highly mobile skirmishers with poison that punish low armor? Check Heavily armored single entities with fear and terror? Dude, they got more kinds of that than Ben & Jerrys has flavors of ice cream
60 armor on saurus is not heavy armor, and beastmen dont have problems with heavy infantry and never had. They do incredibly well againsy dwarfs for example. They also have alot of fast-movers and dont have problems with chasing down skirmishers and never had. They do however have *Huge* problem with armored monsters, as gorebulls like fly more than fight, and other antilarge units dont have armor, easely get shot or outgrinded.
The thing with coast is that those are wet soaked zombies. 75% of their shots should misfire. How do you get zombies to shoot almost as effectively as imperial handgunners?
@Deathsdayoff person they’re sopping wet reanimated sea men corpses. They’re already crap units in melee and worse than empire handgunners. It’s hard enough staying alive as the vampire coast in the early game on hard right now I think they’re fine where they are.
Top 5 Worst Matchups: 1. Beastmen vs Lizardmen 2. Beastmen vs Vampire counts 3. Beastmen vs unarmed Brettonian peasants 4. Beastmen vs other Beastmen 5. Beastmen vs CA's lack of interest
When I first started playing the game, I honestly thought that Beastmen were a non-player race. They never really seem to amount to anything more then harassment. I didn't realize you could actually play as them, not that I would want to.
They are the worst race in the game by far, so no surprise. This video could have just Beastman getting stomped by random 5 actions and it would still work.
that's one of the things with the beastmen, they thrive on tricky tactics, ambushes and overwhelming offences. in the lore they were never a massive threat of a race, they were the antagonist local to the wood elves and the largest domestic threat to the empire and that was pretty much their place. beyond that their big monsters would be corralled into larger chaos offences. beastmen aren't supposed to be a straight up matchup for elite troops of any other race, they are supposed to be mobile shock attackers. for how shit their campaign is, it's actually a pretty good basis for this play style. where chaos starts burning down capitals by turn 12, beastmen basically play the game striking armies that are out of position, razing minor settlments that are left undefended and that sort of thing. beastmen armies are not designed to go 1 to 1 with any other army, they just need more that incentivizes constant aggression, charges and tactics
@@Shadowdoctor117 what do you mean? it can definetly be translated into total war, they just have to give interesting objectives and rewards to the sort of gureuilla warfare style. I dont get why total war veterans are so afraid of total war being anything but a complete generic map painter
Honorable mention for the Vampire Counts mirror match. I know it's not quite the same thing, but it's so awful that it bled over from whatever category it exists in into this one.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Um yea they do, they have overwhelming firepower. Even in this video, they said you can't bring monsters against vampire coast. Which pretty much forces LM into mass Saurus or skinks with skirmish and cav support.
recently Milk posted a video about wood elves Vs Bretonnia, and Jesus Christ, elves won by a literal straw. Sooo... I WOOD say that there are more than one matchup that is bad for wood elves.
I took on the Dark Elves as the Dwarves toward the end of my long campaign for the heck of it. Turns out delfs are not used to flamethrowers and really have no idea what to do other than get hosed
I have to say sir, the wood elves vs dawi is exceptionally bad when using a typical build. Waywatchers and all. But among the best players (Felkon, lotus or Xiphos) bring rush builds that vanguard, surround and overwhelm. Dwarves ARE the worst, because the skill cap is somehow both extremely low and extremely high. It's like the better your competition, the harder they are to use. in a way no other faction is. You're right about their long list of bad matchups. Dawi vs HE is so bad. Worse than skaven, maybe, after grim dlc. Every race can counter build them the worst because of their roster limitations.
Agreed. There was this one time that i still feel guilty about, where I curbstomped a random guy online who played with ultra funds, large armies, and no unit caps. I simply spammed stegadons, deployed way back, outranged him, and had a a skink screen to get rid of slayers. Guy rage quit about 10 minutes later.
Dwarves need a mid tier chariot and a couple of high end warmachine boss units to round out their roster. I like factions having limitations but they are too much of an otp at present.
Anyone else hoping for a diplomacy rework in game 3? Honestly, it might work for some crazy homebrew campaigns, but seeing the Skaven buddy up to the dwarfs or the Lizardmen sounds about as likely as Malekith being the true Phoenix Ki- oh wait, they did that already.
Yeah. I don’t know what kind of warpstone GW was sniffing when that happened. And that’s not even getting into what Mr. “Compassion-For-The-Other-Races” Teclis pulled during the fuckfest.
@@jedimasterdraco6950 To be honest Teclis always had a more compasionate side for the other races, don’t forget that it was because of him that the empier have magic. And don’t forget that he had to stop the literal apocalipse so it’s not like he had room to be picky, unlike a certain Von Carstein asshole.
@@florians9949 That's my point. Teclis is supposed to be the most compassionate of the Elves, but he pulls some dick-grade stuff during the End Times. Helping Malekith assassinate Finubar, serving his own niece up on a silver platter to Nagash, stealing the Flame of Ulric, etc.
@@jedimasterdraco6950It is true he did do some shits, but he would have goten away with it if only fucking Manfreed didn’t ruin everything by killin Gelt. Remenber that he had to closed the Chaos Gates in order to like, save everyone. And to be honest his brother did far worst by butchering his own people for no freaking reasons and I think he is the one that sunk Ulthuan.
The fact that so many ranged units that should be direct fire are instead allowed indirect fire has completely tilted the metagame towards ranged units. Guns of all kinds should not be firing over units.
Indie: annoyed that a battle lasts 20 min. Me, a TW veteran: fondly remembering the days of Med 2 and Shogun 2 when 20 mins was just the maneuvering phase where players put their armies into formation and got into position on the terrain. No shade intended, just saying I think most battles are too quick. It's boring and really hard to play when everything is stupid fast on the tiny maps we have in game.
its annoying when its 20 minutes and absolutely nothing happens lol. Not sure you're remembering Shogun 2 correctly. I have 1500 hours on the game, it had the fastest battles in the series. Faster than Warhammer. Morale is SO wonky in Feudal Japan. Shogun 2 did have better battle maps though. Only "20 minute" deployment phases I can think of was in Napoleon cuz the maps were gigantic and the movement slow
I do miss the big map sizes of Empire Total War, tww2 would need significant artillery rework to not be horrendous in that case, boxes are already too common and effective in my eyes in the vanilla game
11:30 - this matchup is so frustrating, because its become so lopsides because of CA's blatant favouring the skaven, what with the dawi blasting charges, melee defence and even their unit costs nerfed, whilst the skaven get all their over-the-top toys and death-ninjas, with no-real balancing.
I always feel slyly happy when I see what I consider to be an OP faction being beaten by the underdog in a tournament. Vampire Coast, Dark Elves and Skaven being the worst offenders in my opinion.
So I just finished a Dwarf campaign where Ikit Claw, Deathmaster Snikch and Queek all confederated into one giant rat empire of pure irritation. You have NO idea how annoying that was. I'd barely beat out Queek, only to get ambushed by Deathmaster in the same turn. It cost me a LOT of money, but damn it I got those filthy furries
I wonder when they will fix the Ruination of Cities. How long has it been stuck like this now? I only mention it, because it is displayed in the first matchup.
@@kvignesh276 It is supposed to be a sort of wind spell that fires off 3 times in random directions, but currently, it only fires the first one at random, with the other 2 being right on top of the first one. This means that its damage/effectiveness is overall greatly reduced.
I personally think dwarfs x skaven takes the top spot. Their artillery is better, their ranged is better and they can also hold out aggression with cheap expendable chaff. Add to that maneuverability with chariots and fast units, summoning units from below ground and you have that skaven do everything dwarfs do better AND have extra tools
I think the root of the problem is that there aren't enough holes in the newer factions' rosters. With all the dlcs they no longer have significant gaps and weaknesses to exploit. They can do everything.
Yeah I mean I get it, they're OP lol. but Archer factions with good range (High Elves, Wood Elves), Dwarfs, Empire all match up pretty well. The ones without true ranged units really suffer
@@milkandcookiesTW While this is true, one of my favorite tournament matches was when Flying Taco brought a White Lion meme/theme army against Coast. That natural Missile Resistance worked wonders against the Coast.
@@Eggsecuter this game in the series specifically will probably stop after this next dlc because this WE dlc is kind of a test for them to see if they can make money off a dlc for a dlc. If not this then definitely the next dlc, which id assume would be Beastmen themed, because total war warhammer 3 should be announced hopefully
@@timeforthehammer1401 I see, I’m quite excited for warhammer 3 as I’ve heard chaos is getting updated and I enjoyed playing them. I may purchase wood elves soon and beastmen as well. The only two remaining are tomb kings and Vamp coast but that’s usually cuz the dlc pack is a bit expensive (shoulda copped them on Halloween sale smh). Hoping beastmen get an update tho cuz from what it seems it looks like they are pretty ass
I'm still scratching my head why they didn't do dwarfs vs Skaven, it makes sense as there both mortal enemy and fight almost every day, they have a tone of units they could've added like doomseekers, thunderbarges and rune golems or goblin hewers, like I'm glad wood elves are getting an update but still doesn't make sense it wants dwarfs vs Skaven
We don't know yet what the second race will be for the next DLC. As for dwarfs I don't see the point in matching them up against skaven at this point with the fact that skaven have all their anti dwarf stuff already in the game. Chaos Dwarfs vs Dwarfs is a matchup I hope to see more then skaven vs dwarf.
The number one spot is also just true because of the Dwarves playstyle of onion camping. To win against them you have to be patient and it's for sure a long match. The thing is, we automatically assume the Dwarves have to be defending whatever position they took in the battlefield and the Wood elves have to attack, why? Maybe the Wood elf player can just camp in a near forest and say "Come at me bro" so the Dwarf has to attack. The welf dlc has to tackle a lot of things on their roster, not just add new units, for instance the unit prices, the unique skills of most of their troops which are not represented in game, like the rest of the wardancers dances, or the dryads shape shifting, those are core habilities that define the unit and it's purpose depending on the situation, It add's an extra mile to the already heavily micromanagement dependent faction, but that's who they are, and it's greatly rewarding to see that your higher micro pays off against a faction that just needs unit placement.
The problem is buffing dwarves will lead to a even worse single player. Of course, you could always change it solely in multiplayer/singleplayer, but all that does it make people mad is when their untis that usually perform this way in multiplyaer/single start acting diffrent in the other mode.
I kind of feel for dwarfs. Once beastmen get their inevitable rework (even if it takes a while), they'll likely be at the bottom of the barrel just purely based on their design.
I like the idea of limitations but its too much for the Dawi. Here is a list of what they DON'T have. Monsters War Machines!? Monsterous Infantry Cost Effective Fast Infantry Meat Shields Melee Cavalry Shock Cavalry Missile Cavalry Mobile Warbeasts Chariots Magic Damage Infantry Magic Damage Ranged Every Lore in the game!! Flying Mounts Summons Faction Unique Mechanics Mortis Damage Auras Cheap Spearmen / Halberds Mid-tier Spearmen / Halberds Elite Spearmen / Halberds !? Direct Damage Abilities Flying Duelists Flying Swarms
Imagine having swathes of skinks worshiping your lizard penis. The muscular saurus watching you as you indulge in their soft scales and sticky tongues. Not to mention the natural lubrication of being a giant toad in the middle of the humid jungle. To think they NEED a floaty chair to get around after all the pounding they do. "Ohhhuhhhhhggh well lizardmen spawn in spawning pools so they don't fuck" you absolute fool. The spawning pools are just lakes of body fluids spurted during the love making ritual orgies of the lizardmen. You know why gorok is the great white lizard? Think about how long he spent in there... or even skink priests man... they're covered in feathers as a type of stimulation outfit. Like a gimp suit but feather instead of leather. They even rhyme! Dude you have no idea the research I've done into this subject. So much so I can fluently speak seraphon lizard tongue in sixteen different dialects and accents depending on the locale. Think about THAT the next time you speak out of turn noooooooob
Can someone explain why the beastmen's leadership is so prone to routing. Are they so powerful that they need to rout the minute the opponent gets single solid cav charge off?
Charging units receive +15 morale for as long as their charge lasts, somewhat offsetting the relatively low leadership. Ungors also have the Expendable trait, meaning other units don't suffer a morale penalty when Ungors break. A lot of the regular infantry that Beastmen players typically bring is also chaff; cheap units meant only to hold the line until their monstrous units, cavalry and chariots do the real work. They're very much a hit-and-run faction with relatively high charge bonuses and movement speed for most of their units compared to other factions. They're supposed to be centered around picking and choosing their engagements; dragging the opposing army apart and destroying the flanks with overwhelming force. Or just overrunning the entire army depending on the match-up. Beastmen don't grind it out in melee like the Orcs do.
Jens put it quite nicely, basically most Beastmen units pay for having high speed, charge bonus and some for vanguard and stalk as well, that's why their stats and leadership are low.
Was expecting to see High Elves up here in a bad match up The Dwarf v Skaven match up is brutal thought. Have yet to win a match that way. Prolly cause I suck, but still lol
Creative assembly has made arguably the best strategy game I’ve ever played with this series…. Only legendary games like Civ 3 and 5, AOE2, Starcraft, and total annihilation really stack up to this game
I think even when beastmen get something like a ghorgon they’ll still have a hard time against lizardmen, they’re just the perfect anti-rush faction and beast men are defined by that, lizardmen have lots of mass and are too Tanky, they aren’t great against kite but beastmen really don’t have that option.
Match up between vampire coast and chaos is very similar to how skaven vs chaos works as well Dump a bunch of summoned clanrats and plague monks on the chaos while bombarding their infantry with catapults and ratling gunners and taking out singular units using jezzails and lightning cannons. It’s an unbeatable strategy against outdated factions
Fix to coast Have all there units lose 10ld and change crumbling to remove ranged attacks and disintegrate at - there ld (so 20 for most of the zombies)
I agree at disintegrating at -1 * base leadership. That or just take 1500-2000 health off all gunnery mob and a sizable amount off crabs. A ranged faction should be concerned with light cav reaching their ranged units. It's OK for Dwarfs to have tanky ranged units since they have no mobility or mass, but coast has both of those.
I realised the draves vs skaven matchup after playing mortal empire with them for the first time. Its difficult even against the ki! Including the stupid ambush mechanic, so your army suddelny moves on the surface......i hate that I switched to artillery heavy armys.
Uh Indy. Skaven Mortars didn’t come until S&B. Kind of surprised the WElf-Bret match-up wasn’t one considering how often I’ve heard you and Turin remark on it. I DO remember Turin having a minor breakdown over the one Dwarf-WElf match I’ve seen. Hopefully the upcoming DLC does something to tweak that nightmare. Should be interesting to see how this list changes in the Game Three meta.
@@oneringtorulethemagicarp7199 by the end of the year? Nahh man they are super slow at updating everything. I also dont think they're gonna touch Chaos until the next game.
Personally I think that Skaven vs Tomb Kings is one of the worst examples of balancing by CA. I love the game but map wide fear, more chariots then you can count, double tomb scorpion spam (please nerf it already), light and cheap cav as well as carrion. Not to mention the shear mess that is chosen of the gods murdering entire frontlines. Stormvermin are unusable with ranged play, chaff lasts like 2 seconds. Skaven are a very strong faction but any dead faction whoops their ass just so damn hard it isn’t even funny. You would know it by watching Arkhan fight them but they killed Nagash, instead of having skeletons outswarm rats because even plague monks are running. It’s just so unfun.
suprised to not see tk vs lizardmen, especially in the campaign, theyre such a menace vs tk, considering tk doesnt have armour piercing early game its pretty difficult to come on top. (even moreso for khalida as she doesnt get a big anti infantry construct in the start, however her stalkers are very useful to take those pesky big dinos out)
Overlord 2 music. Excellent choice. As far as matchups go, I have never been more bored than watching Vampire Coast battles. Period. Regardless of matchup. Their unit compositions are just boring. It's all ranged units except for the like, three or four melee units you'd actually want in a melee just to hold the line so all the ranged units can do their thing. The same can be said for Skaven and Wood Elves as well. Any faction really where the majority of the army needs to be ranged units. It doesn't make for interesting strategy, you just gotta open the enemy up to get shot and you win.
"right before a new rework the race often hits its low point" makes me hopeful for an empire overhaul because currently karl franz is a pretty difficult campaign (even tho it is recommended for new players) and in competitive empire is... technically a 2nd weakest faction after demons of chaos just because no one plays demons of chaos and thus the statistics are out of whack for them... making empire the true underdog of the competitive scene even dwarves (historically somewhat weak in competitive) are pulling ahead in winrate
The beastmens severe weakness to low unit count elite units is why so many of us want the gorgon, it fills a much needed anti large anti armor role that would counteract the primary banes of beastmen armies, heavy cav and monsters/constructs. If you see tomb kings and they have one or more major constructs you are pretty mich doomed. Even the beastmen spell list has only one tool that is really usefull for killing single model units, being amber spear, a not bad spell but still not very good magic missile.
Nakai main here... there is only army i cant face! elves in forest! i steamrole any army on legendary, bite of the head rip and tear and devour the body... elves in forest? no space for momentum invisible enemy, army leaders hiding in the back... and the taste! BLEAH
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 yeah thats gona be the problem i dont use salamanders or scinks just beasts, kroxs, and temple guard... but strider baner didnt vome to me ill look on it thx
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 its maibe if you can find those bloody bastards eather they just run around the map and avoid me or when i spread to find them i get abbushed no mater if they are ranged or melee when they go hit and run (mostly run) its just no fun game
I've been playing a vampire counts campaign for a few weeks now, never thought would I hear someone praising fell bats. Do vampirates get some insane buffs for them, because counts theyre useless. Maybe they can be used to kill artillery, but so can varghiests and varghiests won't melt under anything with a sword or bow
They are dirt cheap. In campaign you mostly focus on fielding the best army possible, while in multiplayer you have to field the best army for the same cost as the other player... fell bats are dirt cheap and can completely tie up an opposing strong ranged unit for almost no cost.
Chaos should actually be infantry faction more than monster, they were the only faction that had better core troops than dwarfs on TT as well. But yes we all know how viable elite melee infantry in this game is. And magic resistance should not have any effect on magical attacks, it's the game's umgak that further affects DWF vs WE.
No offense, but "magic resistance should not have any effect on magical attacks" is kind of stupid, it's exactly what it was made for, just like fire resistance protects against flaming attacks and physical resistance protects... well, against anything that isn't magical. But one of the issues with this game is that undead units are way too good. Because they don't actually break and run away they can tie up enemies for way too long, they immune to psych and they get to cause fear for free which is pretty stupid imo. Like, an Orc or Beastman or Chaos Warrior shouldn't give two flying fucks about if the humie they are fighting is dead or alive.
@@darthplagueis13 it's not the same. Magic resistances' main purpose is to protect against spells and effects, not against enchanted weapons. It's how that worked on TT as well. Axe is always an axe and it's gonna chop unless you are an ethereal or something in which case magical attacks comes into play. Wurrzag also received bandaid solution to this in latest update because it was stupid that his army was nerfed against dwarfs when he gave magical attacks to his troops. Now he strips all the enemy of any magic resistance which is kind of OP.
@@khelgarironfist3301 "Kind of OP" Outside of dwarfs, how many units with magic resistance are there even? Besides, in this game not all spells deal magic damage to begin with.
I´m currently exploring the unpleasancy of fighting the Skaven with the Empire. Since i never before played an Empire campaigne, i had no idea the Rats were this nasty as an opponent for humans. Luckily, the Norscans helped involuntarily as they were in war with them before i chimed in. And since that one rat clan in the southwest of the Empire stayed quite until now, i only have to worry about a single settlement. But then comes Ikit...
Weird. When I recently played Wood Elves in Mortal Empires, the Dawi were some of the easiest matchups as I could just pick apart their army with my missiles and mobility. No idea how you have the complete opposite experience.
honorable mention to vampire counts VS Chaos, where the Vampire counts player, if they really want to win and do not care about rules or their enemy having fun, can spam mortis engine and varghulfs and win.
The vampire coast is broken? You don't say. Maybe there was a reason the terror/fear causing factions didn't get many ranged options... till CA decided to take the smallest bit of lore they could and made an entire faction out of it.
I don’t see beastmen ever getting an edge with Lizardmen or Vampires.... And I don’t see them doing any better against chaos when game three comes, based on how the cowmen are low leadership. Chaos will no doubt become SS teir once they get all their options. Like a magic spam Tzeench, Berserk charge of Khorne and Slannesh, and the pure refusal to die from Nurgle.
I always found wood elves to counter basically everyone. They're so overwhelmingly powerful that even when the matchup is in their favour they still obliterate whoever dares step in their path
Dwarfs could easily be like 6 or 7 of the top 10 worst matchups (winning and losing). But it would be a pretty boring list if I put them in 3 or 4 of the top 5 slots. They're already on the list twice, and there are other matchups that are just as bad
So What would you give the Wood Elves that can better beat Dwarves and Brittonnia? I was thinking Black Briar Javelins for Treemen but everyone doesn't want wood elf Arty and dawi would kill it. Maybe Zoats or Great Stag/unicorn Herd to provide fast AP that isn't forest Spirits?
they're really a fine race, at least when it comes to mp. they have some bad matchups for sure, but they have plenty of good and even ones as well. they're fun to play in battle and a solid choice overall. When they get an additional DLC (which might be soonish considering the Wood Elves are about to get theirs), they will be in very good shape I think. Especially because these DLCs will almost certainly come with a campaign overhaul, which the Beastmen desperately need, and CA are very aware of this fact
my unstoppable ever-forward marching line of chaos warriors, marauders, and chosen would like a word with your woody elves sir. Shields? check. Numbers? check. Chariots? check. Cheap skirmish cav? check. Hard to snipe lords? check. Hounds? check. Everything you need to stop a kite build in its tracks by simply building a wall that can walk forward and push the enemy into a corner where they have no chance of running away. Its my favorite way to play the matchup, and it's absolutely brutal.
From my expereince marauders are weak vs evercharging cavalry and not so good vs WE infantry - so their only options in this matchup - soak arrows and charges and hold the line. Shielded chaose warriors are better at killing infantry but still no that cost effective vs armor piercing antyinfantry squads. Great weapons are good but need cover of previous shielded units otherwise they will be dead befor reaching enemy infantry. They only way to reliably beat elven cavalry - tie them down and chase with poison hounds, otherwise they will come back over and over and keep charging which is hurt. Since WE cavalry is much faster then any heavy cav, you have to use your weaker light cav and magic support. So beating WE by chaose is not so simple as you say.
I am finding that there seems to be a lot more advantage to DLC races right now. I know they’re supposed to make them valuable to sell but they’re outclassing pretty much every other race. There’s supposed to be checks and balances but the new Skaven roster and VC just stomp everything. And that’s in the hands of the standard players. I find the power creep almost unbearable right now. I understand checks and balances and some old races have good match ups but every time a DLC appears it’s tailor made to destroy everything that checks it leading to OP factions against pretty much everything.
Hell I just want warhammer 3 lol. It’s kinda insane that they haven’t at least shown a trailer by now. The time between 1&2 was what about a year in a half, while 2-3 is going on 4 years with no information on the 3rd game. Definitely worries me, hope they don’t have a skeleton crew working on it.
The issue I have with the coast is how much gun powder units they have. It's supposed to be a late medieval-early Renaissance setting, and it's really expansive for the empire to field gun powder units for example. Then came the coast with as much fire weapons as an 18th century army. I love the undead pirate thing, but they really seems out of place for me.
yeah, when I saw the V-coast and saw their gun lines I figured that the zombie deckhands would basically be like free company militia, sure they have guns, but their innacurate, short range and basically just screen a shot before getting into melee. I figured that the REAL guns would be only slightly cheaper than other factions but with the accuracy trade off but like... the V-coasts weapons seem to be extremely accurate which doesn't make much sense. the way they are now is just so busted
Is the game footage from real humans or just against the AI? If it's the AI that shows you how different multiplayer play is from campaign. You could bring completely different armies and wipe the field with the AI, while bringing a competitive multiplayer army against the AI leads to a closer match.
The game footage in this video is against AI, simply because getting good multiplayer footage of each of these matchups would have taken ages. What I'm saying is applicable to both mp and campaign in terms of the base rosters for each faction, but its perhaps less relevant in campaign because its easier to overcome roster deficiencies when playing against AI as opposed to a real player, and you can do stuff like "doomstack" single entities. So this video is more relevant to multiplayer scenarios, where you dont have access to red line skills and units are capped
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Awesome vid, and nice to see a genuinely good youtuber giving credit to another 😁
My fav matchup is Slann agaisnt a Hydra - they have custom animation that everybody should see and indulge in its glory
360 noscope slanns. They have awesome animations against big monsters
@@TheBarser Damn, You beat me to The 360 comment xD
@@captaintrainer9490 sorry man 😂 someone had to say it
I like Hell Pit Abominations vs Slanns.
Is it when Slann ties hydra into a knot?
my favorite matchup is this 60 dollar game, plus tons of expensive DLC vs my bank account
Hahaha
Oh my god this made me laugh so hard!
This is an expensive hobby.
The game won i bet
@@thebaron9405 actually no, i decided im not paying for an incomplete game, then buying dlc to balance the large flaws in the game
@@gavinlambert6771 well really its two games with two different games worth of DLC, and how complete is enough to not count as incomplete? bc this 'game' wont technically be complete till the end of game 3 DLC.
Lizardmen have everything the Beastmen hate fighting
Heavily armored, tanky frontline that punishes low armor? Check
Highly mobile skirmishers with poison that punish low armor? Check
Heavily armored single entities with fear and terror? Dude, they got more kinds of that than Ben & Jerrys has flavors of ice cream
Beastmen: exist
All other races: it's free state 😈
Its probably why no beastmen exist in Lustria.
@@chosenofkhorne2951 well beastman don't have any real estate as they are homeless in game.
60 armor on saurus is not heavy armor, and beastmen dont have problems with heavy infantry and never had. They do incredibly well againsy dwarfs for example. They also have alot of fast-movers and dont have problems with chasing down skirmishers and never had.
They do however have *Huge* problem with armored monsters, as gorebulls like fly more than fight, and other antilarge units dont have armor, easely get shot or outgrinded.
@Deathsdayoff person That is Felkon, my dude. I dont think anybody here can tell him anything about the game.
The thing with coast is that those are wet soaked zombies. 75% of their shots should misfire. How do you get zombies to shoot almost as effectively as imperial handgunners?
With magic. And a shit ton of Rhum.
Gunnery wights and magic
Every Fantasy Setting: "Can't explain something"
Writers: M A G I C
@Deathsdayoff person they’re sopping wet reanimated sea men corpses. They’re already crap units in melee and worse than empire handgunners. It’s hard enough staying alive as the vampire coast in the early game on hard right now I think they’re fine where they are.
All of the "powder" talk is just Coast Propaganda, they are actually using ethanol powered guns...
2:36 Lizardmen vs Beastmen
7:15 Vampire Coast vs Chaos
11:30 Skaven vs Dwarfs
16:47 Vampire Counts vs Beastmen
20:50 Dwarfs vs Wood Elves
Doing Morr's work, thanks
Anyone vs Dwarves.
This is a good video, but 2 and a half minutes of intro is bordering on a piss take.
@@Fireheart1945 Dwarves got some insane garrisons
CRAB PEOPLE... Talk like people, look like crabs...
walk like crabs, taste like peopleeee
What about crab people who talk like crabs and look like people?
Top 5 Worst Matchups:
1. Beastmen vs Lizardmen
2. Beastmen vs Vampire counts
3. Beastmen vs unarmed Brettonian peasants
4. Beastmen vs other Beastmen
5. Beastmen vs CA's lack of interest
So true it hurts :(
Highly relevant to this comment:
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When I first started playing the game, I honestly thought that Beastmen were a non-player race. They never really seem to amount to anything more then harassment. I didn't realize you could actually play as them, not that I would want to.
They are the worst race in the game by far, so no surprise. This video could have just Beastman getting stomped by random 5 actions and it would still work.
that's one of the things with the beastmen, they thrive on tricky tactics, ambushes and overwhelming offences. in the lore they were never a massive threat of a race, they were the antagonist local to the wood elves and the largest domestic threat to the empire and that was pretty much their place. beyond that their big monsters would be corralled into larger chaos offences. beastmen aren't supposed to be a straight up matchup for elite troops of any other race, they are supposed to be mobile shock attackers. for how shit their campaign is, it's actually a pretty good basis for this play style. where chaos starts burning down capitals by turn 12, beastmen basically play the game striking armies that are out of position, razing minor settlments that are left undefended and that sort of thing. beastmen armies are not designed to go 1 to 1 with any other army, they just need more that incentivizes constant aggression, charges and tactics
I thought beastmen were good lol
@@oneringtorulethemagicarp7199 That just isnt total war unfortunately. What would make them fun would be a different game entirely
@@Shadowdoctor117 what do you mean? it can definetly be translated into total war, they just have to give interesting objectives and rewards to the sort of gureuilla warfare style. I dont get why total war veterans are so afraid of total war being anything but a complete generic map painter
Hey my dude! Thanks so much for the credit and i am so happy to see my art being used
Dude your art is great
@@kapitankapital6580 - Thank you! Slowly filling the Warhammer community, one meme art at a time
keep it up mate, super entertaining :D
Honorable mention for the Vampire Counts mirror match. I know it's not quite the same thing, but it's so awful that it bled over from whatever category it exists in into this one.
blobs for days! a lot of VC matchups are stupid just because it comes down to who can blob better lol
VC Lizardmen is also a pretty rough one, since VC don't have very good answers to the dinos.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Um yea they do, they have overwhelming firepower. Even in this video, they said you can't bring monsters against vampire coast. Which pretty much forces LM into mass Saurus or skinks with skirmish and cav support.
@@georgebadilla5000
Ah, I should have specified, silly me.
I mean Vampire Counts.
Vampire Coast blows the dinos up.
Dwarfs vs wood elves, i would rather be strapped to a chair and watch Amy Schumer attempt comedy for 9 hours than play that matchup.
Atleast You Can Still Concede, A Nine-Hour comedy session is too much for Our poor-souls
recently Milk posted a video about wood elves Vs Bretonnia, and Jesus Christ, elves won by a literal straw. Sooo... I WOOD say that there are more than one matchup that is bad for wood elves.
No you wouldn't.
I took on the Dark Elves as the Dwarves toward the end of my long campaign for the heck of it.
Turns out delfs are not used to flamethrowers and really have no idea what to do other than get hosed
Dont put that evil on anyone.
I have to say sir, the wood elves vs dawi is exceptionally bad when using a typical build. Waywatchers and all. But among the best players (Felkon, lotus or Xiphos) bring rush builds that vanguard, surround and overwhelm. Dwarves ARE the worst, because the skill cap is somehow both extremely low and extremely high. It's like the better your competition, the harder they are to use. in a way no other faction is. You're right about their long list of bad matchups. Dawi vs HE is so bad. Worse than skaven, maybe, after grim dlc. Every race can counter build them the worst because of their roster limitations.
Sorry about the long-form there....
Agreed. There was this one time that i still feel guilty about, where I curbstomped a random guy online who played with ultra funds, large armies, and no unit caps. I simply spammed stegadons, deployed way back, outranged him, and had a a skink screen to get rid of slayers. Guy rage quit about 10 minutes later.
Dwarves need a mid tier chariot and a couple of high end warmachine boss units to round out their roster. I like factions having limitations but they are too much of an otp at present.
Anyone else hoping for a diplomacy rework in game 3? Honestly, it might work for some crazy homebrew campaigns, but seeing the Skaven buddy up to the dwarfs or the Lizardmen sounds about as likely as Malekith being the true Phoenix Ki- oh wait, they did that already.
Yeah. I don’t know what kind of warpstone GW was sniffing when that happened. And that’s not even getting into what Mr. “Compassion-For-The-Other-Races” Teclis pulled during the fuckfest.
Or Grombrindal forgiving Malekith.
@@jedimasterdraco6950 To be honest Teclis always had a more compasionate side for the other races, don’t forget that it was because of him that the empier have magic. And don’t forget that he had to stop the literal apocalipse so it’s not like he had room to be picky, unlike a certain Von Carstein asshole.
@@florians9949 That's my point. Teclis is supposed to be the most compassionate of the Elves, but he pulls some dick-grade stuff during the End Times. Helping Malekith assassinate Finubar, serving his own niece up on a silver platter to Nagash, stealing the Flame of Ulric, etc.
@@jedimasterdraco6950It is true he did do some shits, but he would have goten away with it if only fucking Manfreed didn’t ruin everything by killin Gelt. Remenber that he had to closed the Chaos Gates in order to like, save everyone. And to be honest his brother did far worst by butchering his own people for no freaking reasons and I think he is the one that sunk Ulthuan.
The fact that so many ranged units that should be direct fire are instead allowed indirect fire has completely tilted the metagame towards ranged units. Guns of all kinds should not be firing over units.
Well, unless the gunners have a severe terrain advantage
The beastment/chaos rework can't come soon enough. While they're at it, CA should rly consider giving dwarves another pass too.
Skaven have had absolutely boatloads of updates. Please, no more rats.
The sun never sets on the rat empire
Indie: annoyed that a battle lasts 20 min.
Me, a TW veteran: fondly remembering the days of Med 2 and Shogun 2 when 20 mins was just the maneuvering phase where players put their armies into formation and got into position on the terrain.
No shade intended, just saying I think most battles are too quick. It's boring and really hard to play when everything is stupid fast on the tiny maps we have in game.
its annoying when its 20 minutes and absolutely nothing happens lol. Not sure you're remembering Shogun 2 correctly. I have 1500 hours on the game, it had the fastest battles in the series. Faster than Warhammer. Morale is SO wonky in Feudal Japan. Shogun 2 did have better battle maps though. Only "20 minute" deployment phases I can think of was in Napoleon cuz the maps were gigantic and the movement slow
I do miss the big map sizes of Empire Total War, tww2 would need significant artillery rework to not be horrendous in that case, boxes are already too common and effective in my eyes in the vanilla game
11:30 - this matchup is so frustrating, because its become so lopsides because of CA's blatant favouring the skaven, what with the dawi blasting charges, melee defence and even their unit costs nerfed, whilst the skaven get all their over-the-top toys and death-ninjas, with no-real balancing.
I always feel slyly happy when I see what I consider to be an OP faction being beaten by the underdog in a tournament. Vampire Coast, Dark Elves and Skaven being the worst offenders in my opinion.
I definitely hope dwarfs are next for a rework, they're my favorite faction and I think they need some love.
Yes please
A mid tier chariot and a few high end war machine boss monsters to anchor and a few rors that add magic damage and snipe duels power.
So I just finished a Dwarf campaign where Ikit Claw, Deathmaster Snikch and Queek all confederated into one giant rat empire of pure irritation.
You have NO idea how annoying that was. I'd barely beat out Queek, only to get ambushed by Deathmaster in the same turn. It cost me a LOT of money, but damn it I got those filthy furries
I wonder when they will fix the Ruination of Cities. How long has it been stuck like this now? I only mention it, because it is displayed in the first matchup.
hopefully next patch
What is the problem with it?
I don't play lizardmen much..
@@kvignesh276 It is supposed to be a sort of wind spell that fires off 3 times in random directions, but currently, it only fires the first one at random, with the other 2 being right on top of the first one. This means that its damage/effectiveness is overall greatly reduced.
@@fendelphi Thanks for the info..!!
Ahh once again I am blessed with the dulcet tones of Indy. A shame Slaanesh blew out my eardrums
Things shall get loud now
@@milkandcookiesTW *DROP SICK BASS-BASED WEAPONRY*
Legolas: final count 42
Gimli: hahahaha puny elf has some taste from my gun. Im sitting on yours 420.
I personally think dwarfs x skaven takes the top spot. Their artillery is better, their ranged is better and they can also hold out aggression with cheap expendable chaff. Add to that maneuverability with chariots and fast units, summoning units from below ground and you have that skaven do everything dwarfs do better AND have extra tools
youre also forgetting doom flayers, rattling guns, wolf rats, and eshin triads they hard counter dwarves
some of the soundtrack used is from a game called "Overlord" if you were asking.
this "Overlord" is a game, and has nothing to do with the anime.
I think the root of the problem is that there aren't enough holes in the newer factions' rosters. With all the dlcs they no longer have significant gaps and weaknesses to exploit. They can do everything.
Yeah almost like they want to flog the dlc
This list could have just been any faction having to fight the Vampire Coast and it would have been just as accurate
Yeah I mean I get it, they're OP lol. but Archer factions with good range (High Elves, Wood Elves), Dwarfs, Empire all match up pretty well. The ones without true ranged units really suffer
@@milkandcookiesTW I raise you felkon vanguard skin wolve rush against coast!
@@milkandcookiesTW While this is true, one of my favorite tournament matches was when Flying Taco brought a White Lion meme/theme army against Coast. That natural Missile Resistance worked wonders against the Coast.
@@KevinMacku What video is that from? I've seen that match mentioned before and I wasn't able to find it.
Could you do an updated best/worst unit for each race lists sometime???
Oh and as always, great content!
Will probs happen when last dlc for 2 comes out
@@someguywithhair2992 I’ve had the game for about a year and have played on and off. Was wondering when yall think this game will stop getting dlc?
@@Eggsecuter this game in the series specifically will probably stop after this next dlc because this WE dlc is kind of a test for them to see if they can make money off a dlc for a dlc. If not this then definitely the next dlc, which id assume would be Beastmen themed, because total war warhammer 3 should be announced hopefully
@@timeforthehammer1401 I see, I’m quite excited for warhammer 3 as I’ve heard chaos is getting updated and I enjoyed playing them. I may purchase wood elves soon and beastmen as well. The only two remaining are tomb kings and Vamp coast but that’s usually cuz the dlc pack is a bit expensive (shoulda copped them on Halloween sale smh). Hoping beastmen get an update tho cuz from what it seems it looks like they are pretty ass
@@Eggsecuter there is usually a big xmas and cyber Monday specials they should be fairly cheap to buy then
CA should be grateful for the community they have honestly, so much passion and hardwork, WE DESERVE MORE!
"Headbutt them until there's nothing but a butt left." I see you there, I get that reference. Pretty much perfect given the matchup.
This guy had a clanrat spam with gutter runners and I got wrecked lol
Who were you playing as?
@@scipioafricanus2212 Lizardmen
I'm still scratching my head why they didn't do dwarfs vs Skaven, it makes sense as there both mortal enemy and fight almost every day, they have a tone of units they could've added like doomseekers, thunderbarges and rune golems or goblin hewers, like I'm glad wood elves are getting an update but still doesn't make sense it wants dwarfs vs Skaven
We don't know yet what the second race will be for the next DLC.
As for dwarfs I don't see the point in matching them up against skaven at this point with the fact that skaven have all their anti dwarf stuff already in the game. Chaos Dwarfs vs Dwarfs is a matchup I hope to see more then skaven vs dwarf.
The number one spot is also just true because of the Dwarves playstyle of onion camping. To win against them you have to be patient and it's for sure a long match. The thing is, we automatically assume the Dwarves have to be defending whatever position they took in the battlefield and the Wood elves have to attack, why? Maybe the Wood elf player can just camp in a near forest and say "Come at me bro" so the Dwarf has to attack. The welf dlc has to tackle a lot of things on their roster, not just add new units, for instance the unit prices, the unique skills of most of their troops which are not represented in game, like the rest of the wardancers dances, or the dryads shape shifting, those are core habilities that define the unit and it's purpose depending on the situation, It add's an extra mile to the already heavily micromanagement dependent faction, but that's who they are, and it's greatly rewarding to see that your higher micro pays off against a faction that just needs unit placement.
Very nice video. The best luck I've had against VC with Beastmen is going as elite as possible and having a better death blob than the opponent.
Beastmen: *Sad cow noises*
The problem is buffing dwarves will lead to a even worse single player. Of course, you could always change it solely in multiplayer/singleplayer, but all that does it make people mad is when their untis that usually perform this way in multiplyaer/single start acting diffrent in the other mode.
Urist's lines are all just as hilarious when they're delivered with a straight face.
I kind of feel for dwarfs. Once beastmen get their inevitable rework (even if it takes a while), they'll likely be at the bottom of the barrel just purely based on their design.
I like the idea of limitations but its too much for the Dawi. Here is a list of what they DON'T have.
Monsters
War Machines!?
Monsterous Infantry
Cost Effective Fast Infantry
Meat Shields
Melee Cavalry
Shock Cavalry
Missile Cavalry
Mobile Warbeasts
Chariots
Magic Damage Infantry
Magic Damage Ranged
Every Lore in the game!!
Flying Mounts
Summons
Faction Unique Mechanics
Mortis Damage Auras
Cheap Spearmen / Halberds
Mid-tier Spearmen / Halberds
Elite Spearmen / Halberds !?
Direct Damage Abilities
Flying Duelists
Flying Swarms
8:15 isn't that the Overlord OST running in the background?
Pretty sure it's from Overlord 2.
Why does the toad look so... Mid-climax
All part of the Great Plan.
Imagine having swathes of skinks worshiping your lizard penis. The muscular saurus watching you as you indulge in their soft scales and sticky tongues. Not to mention the natural lubrication of being a giant toad in the middle of the humid jungle. To think they NEED a floaty chair to get around after all the pounding they do. "Ohhhuhhhhhggh well lizardmen spawn in spawning pools so they don't fuck" you absolute fool. The spawning pools are just lakes of body fluids spurted during the love making ritual orgies of the lizardmen. You know why gorok is the great white lizard? Think about how long he spent in there... or even skink priests man... they're covered in feathers as a type of stimulation outfit. Like a gimp suit but feather instead of leather. They even rhyme! Dude you have no idea the research I've done into this subject. So much so I can fluently speak seraphon lizard tongue in sixteen different dialects and accents depending on the locale. Think about THAT the next time you speak out of turn noooooooob
Thanks. I cant unsee that now.
After being used as DLC bait in the first game, Chaos in all its forms has been badly neglected in this game.
Bretonnia vs everyone 😫.. My favourite, terrible faction
Can someone explain why the beastmen's leadership is so prone to routing. Are they so powerful that they need to rout the minute the opponent gets single solid cav charge off?
Charging units receive +15 morale for as long as their charge lasts, somewhat offsetting the relatively low leadership. Ungors also have the Expendable trait, meaning other units don't suffer a morale penalty when Ungors break. A lot of the regular infantry that Beastmen players typically bring is also chaff; cheap units meant only to hold the line until their monstrous units, cavalry and chariots do the real work. They're very much a hit-and-run faction with relatively high charge bonuses and movement speed for most of their units compared to other factions. They're supposed to be centered around picking and choosing their engagements; dragging the opposing army apart and destroying the flanks with overwhelming force. Or just overrunning the entire army depending on the match-up. Beastmen don't grind it out in melee like the Orcs do.
Jens put it quite nicely, basically most Beastmen units pay for having high speed, charge bonus and some for vanguard and stalk as well, that's why their stats and leadership are low.
Was expecting to see High Elves up here in a bad match up
The Dwarf v Skaven match up is brutal thought. Have yet to win a match that way. Prolly cause I suck, but still lol
Creative assembly has made arguably the best strategy game I’ve ever played with this series…. Only legendary games like Civ 3 and 5, AOE2, Starcraft, and total annihilation really stack up to this game
Is that Overlord 2 music I hear, damn takes me back a bit.
I think even when beastmen get something like a ghorgon they’ll still have a hard time against lizardmen, they’re just the perfect anti-rush faction and beast men are defined by that, lizardmen have lots of mass and are too Tanky, they aren’t great against kite but beastmen really don’t have that option.
I wonder if they are waiting for the bm update for 3 when they've redone chaos as a whole
Some matchups I find super hard are Brets vs Lizard, Emp vs Dwarf, Skaven vs Norsca
Match up between vampire coast and chaos is very similar to how skaven vs chaos works as well
Dump a bunch of summoned clanrats and plague monks on the chaos while bombarding their infantry with catapults and ratling gunners and taking out singular units using jezzails and lightning cannons. It’s an unbeatable strategy against outdated factions
Fix to coast
Have all there units lose 10ld and change crumbling to remove ranged attacks and disintegrate at - there ld (so 20 for most of the zombies)
I agree at disintegrating at -1 * base leadership. That or just take 1500-2000 health off all gunnery mob and a sizable amount off crabs. A ranged faction should be concerned with light cav reaching their ranged units. It's OK for Dwarfs to have tanky ranged units since they have no mobility or mass, but coast has both of those.
I realised the draves vs skaven matchup after playing mortal empire with them for the first time.
Its difficult even against the ki! Including the stupid ambush mechanic, so your army suddelny moves on the surface......i hate that
I switched to artillery heavy armys.
I just can't bring myself to find wood elves dying to be anything but enjoyable, no matter who is doing it. Surprised Dwarf vs Empire wasnt here.
Because explosions are fun to watch at least.
I always found playing skaven against a flyer/cav heavy bret army to be extraordinarily painful
Would forsakens be good against Vampire coast ? They coulf push trhough those zombies very quickly
Uh Indy. Skaven Mortars didn’t come until S&B. Kind of surprised the WElf-Bret match-up wasn’t one considering how often I’ve heard you and Turin remark on it. I DO remember Turin having a minor breakdown over the one Dwarf-WElf match I’ve seen. Hopefully the upcoming DLC does something to tweak that nightmare. Should be interesting to see how this list changes in the Game Three meta.
On the bright side the beastmen, chaos and wood elves are going to be reworked
Probably in like 2 years though :/
@@Daniel_deez_nutz wood elves very soon, chaos should be by the end of this year beastmen? hopefully same time? please? lol
@@oneringtorulethemagicarp7199 by the end of the year? Nahh man they are super slow at updating everything. I also dont think they're gonna touch Chaos until the next game.
Personally I think that Skaven vs Tomb Kings is one of the worst examples of balancing by CA. I love the game but map wide fear, more chariots then you can count, double tomb scorpion spam (please nerf it already), light and cheap cav as well as carrion. Not to mention the shear mess that is chosen of the gods murdering entire frontlines. Stormvermin are unusable with ranged play, chaff lasts like 2 seconds. Skaven are a very strong faction but any dead faction whoops their ass just so damn hard it isn’t even funny. You would know it by watching Arkhan fight them but they killed Nagash, instead of having skeletons outswarm rats because even plague monks are running. It’s just so unfun.
You should play some rome 2 if you think any of this is the worst balancing CA has done
@@freaki0734 I meant in TWW2
suprised to not see tk vs lizardmen, especially in the campaign, theyre such a menace vs tk, considering tk doesnt have armour piercing early game its pretty difficult to come on top. (even moreso for khalida as she doesnt get a big anti infantry construct in the start, however her stalkers are very useful to take those pesky big dinos out)
The last segment...I see you are a man of culture as well, Indy.
6:29 that Stegadon is an Impostor!
Overlord 2 music.
Excellent choice.
As far as matchups go, I have never been more bored than watching Vampire Coast battles. Period. Regardless of matchup.
Their unit compositions are just boring. It's all ranged units except for the like, three or four melee units you'd actually want in a melee just to hold the line so all the ranged units can do their thing.
The same can be said for Skaven and Wood Elves as well. Any faction really where the majority of the army needs to be ranged units. It doesn't make for interesting strategy, you just gotta open the enemy up to get shot and you win.
"right before a new rework the race often hits its low point" makes me hopeful for an empire overhaul because currently karl franz is a pretty difficult campaign (even tho it is recommended for new players)
and in competitive empire is... technically a 2nd weakest faction after demons of chaos just because no one plays demons of chaos and thus the statistics are out of whack for them...
making empire the true underdog of the competitive scene
even dwarves (historically somewhat weak in competitive) are pulling ahead in winrate
TBH Dawi helicopters just need a massive buff. Unit count buff 2
The beastmens severe weakness to low unit count elite units is why so many of us want the gorgon, it fills a much needed anti large anti armor role that would counteract the primary banes of beastmen armies, heavy cav and monsters/constructs. If you see tomb kings and they have one or more major constructs you are pretty mich doomed. Even the beastmen spell list has only one tool that is really usefull for killing single model units, being amber spear, a not bad spell but still not very good magic missile.
Now that the WE and Skaven got their update, how much did it got worst for the Dawi?
*Brood Horrors are impossible for dwarfs to pin down AFAIK...
Nakai main here... there is only army i cant face! elves in forest! i steamrole any army on legendary, bite of the head rip and tear and devour the body... elves in forest? no space for momentum invisible enemy, army leaders hiding in the back... and the taste! BLEAH
Use the 'strider' banner on units you want to give momentum, remember trees can stop arrows, and welfs taste better when burned...
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 yeah thats gona be the problem i dont use salamanders or scinks just beasts, kroxs, and temple guard... but strider baner didnt vome to me ill look on it thx
@@lordlizard2195 I meant the WELF ranged units will hit trees with half their shots. You having mostly melee is only better when in the woods. GL
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 its maibe if you can find those bloody bastards eather they just run around the map and avoid me or when i spread to find them i get abbushed no mater if they are ranged or melee when they go hit and run (mostly run) its just no fun game
I've been playing a vampire counts campaign for a few weeks now, never thought would I hear someone praising fell bats. Do vampirates get some insane buffs for them, because counts theyre useless. Maybe they can be used to kill artillery, but so can varghiests and varghiests won't melt under anything with a sword or bow
They are dirt cheap. In campaign you mostly focus on fielding the best army possible, while in multiplayer you have to field the best army for the same cost as the other player... fell bats are dirt cheap and can completely tie up an opposing strong ranged unit for almost no cost.
Chaos should actually be infantry faction more than monster, they were the only faction that had better core troops than dwarfs on TT as well. But yes we all know how viable elite melee infantry in this game is. And magic resistance should not have any effect on magical attacks, it's the game's umgak that further affects DWF vs WE.
No offense, but "magic resistance should not have any effect on magical attacks" is kind of stupid, it's exactly what it was made for, just like fire resistance protects against flaming attacks and physical resistance protects... well, against anything that isn't magical.
But one of the issues with this game is that undead units are way too good. Because they don't actually break and run away they can tie up enemies for way too long, they immune to psych and they get to cause fear for free which is pretty stupid imo. Like, an Orc or Beastman or Chaos Warrior shouldn't give two flying fucks about if the humie they are fighting is dead or alive.
@@darthplagueis13 it's not the same. Magic resistances' main purpose is to protect against spells and effects, not against enchanted weapons. It's how that worked on TT as well. Axe is always an axe and it's gonna chop unless you are an ethereal or something in which case magical attacks comes into play.
Wurrzag also received bandaid solution to this in latest update because it was stupid that his army was nerfed against dwarfs when he gave magical attacks to his troops. Now he strips all the enemy of any magic resistance which is kind of OP.
@@khelgarironfist3301 "Kind of OP" Outside of dwarfs, how many units with magic resistance are there even?
Besides, in this game not all spells deal magic damage to begin with.
I´m currently exploring the unpleasancy of fighting the Skaven with the Empire.
Since i never before played an Empire campaigne, i had no idea the Rats were this nasty as an opponent for humans.
Luckily, the Norscans helped involuntarily as they were in war with them before i chimed in.
And since that one rat clan in the southwest of the Empire stayed quite until now, i only have to worry about a single settlement. But then comes Ikit...
What about Empire vs Dawi? This matchup feels more doomed than Dawi vs Skaven, on the same level as Dawi vs WE.
Weird. When I recently played Wood Elves in Mortal Empires, the Dawi were some of the easiest matchups as I could just pick apart their army with my missiles and mobility. No idea how you have the complete opposite experience.
honorable mention to vampire counts VS Chaos, where the Vampire counts player, if they really want to win and do not care about rules or their enemy having fun, can spam mortis engine and varghulfs and win.
The vampire coast is broken? You don't say. Maybe there was a reason the terror/fear causing factions didn't get many ranged options... till CA decided to take the smallest bit of lore they could and made an entire faction out of it.
I don’t see beastmen ever getting an edge with Lizardmen or Vampires.... And I don’t see them doing any better against chaos when game three comes, based on how the cowmen are low leadership.
Chaos will no doubt become SS teir once they get all their options. Like a magic spam Tzeench, Berserk charge of Khorne and Slannesh, and the pure refusal to die from Nurgle.
I always found wood elves to counter basically everyone. They're so overwhelmingly powerful that even when the matchup is in their favour they still obliterate whoever dares step in their path
Would be interesting to see this kind of video after Immortal Empires goes live
The skaven and VCoast are fun as hell to play but man can they cheese fools
Using manual fire on your arty as Dwarfs shows just how AFK-ish this fight is xD
I am a little disappointed you didn’t bring dawi vs vampire counts. I can’t remember the last time I saw the vc won without a derp army of dawi
Dwarfs could easily be like 6 or 7 of the top 10 worst matchups (winning and losing). But it would be a pretty boring list if I put them in 3 or 4 of the top 5 slots. They're already on the list twice, and there are other matchups that are just as bad
DW vs WE
DW vs VC
DW vs VP
DW vs BR
SK vs DW
HE vs DW
DE vs DW
CH vs DW
GS vs DW
Lot of MUs with dawi are stupid for or versus them
So What would you give the Wood Elves that can better beat Dwarves and Brittonnia? I was thinking Black Briar Javelins for Treemen but everyone doesn't want wood elf Arty and dawi would kill it. Maybe Zoats or Great Stag/unicorn Herd to provide fast AP that isn't forest Spirits?
We need a Gorghon for the beastmen.
Implying the beastmen havent hit their low point yet is horrifying
they're really a fine race, at least when it comes to mp. they have some bad matchups for sure, but they have plenty of good and even ones as well. they're fun to play in battle and a solid choice overall. When they get an additional DLC (which might be soonish considering the Wood Elves are about to get theirs), they will be in very good shape I think. Especially because these DLCs will almost certainly come with a campaign overhaul, which the Beastmen desperately need, and CA are very aware of this fact
Best matchup is definitely high elves vs vampire coast, they’re so weak against high range missile
Almost every time I pick WE the opponent picks dwarves :/
my unstoppable ever-forward marching line of chaos warriors, marauders, and chosen would like a word with your woody elves sir. Shields? check. Numbers? check. Chariots? check. Cheap skirmish cav? check. Hard to snipe lords? check. Hounds? check. Everything you need to stop a kite build in its tracks by simply building a wall that can walk forward and push the enemy into a corner where they have no chance of running away. Its my favorite way to play the matchup, and it's absolutely brutal.
From my expereince marauders are weak vs evercharging cavalry and not so good vs WE infantry - so their only options in this matchup - soak arrows and charges and hold the line. Shielded chaose warriors are better at killing infantry but still no that cost effective vs armor piercing antyinfantry squads. Great weapons are good but need cover of previous shielded units otherwise they will be dead befor reaching enemy infantry.
They only way to reliably beat elven cavalry - tie them down and chase with poison hounds, otherwise they will come back over and over and keep charging which is hurt. Since WE cavalry is much faster then any heavy cav, you have to use your weaker light cav and magic support.
So beating WE by chaose is not so simple as you say.
tomb kings vs empire, canons and handguns + net of amyntok and cheap spears and hallberds to fill the map and its borderline unplayable
I am finding that there seems to be a lot more advantage to DLC races right now. I know they’re supposed to make them valuable to sell but they’re outclassing pretty much every other race.
There’s supposed to be checks and balances but the new Skaven roster and VC just stomp everything. And that’s in the hands of the standard players.
I find the power creep almost unbearable right now. I understand checks and balances and some old races have good match ups but every time a DLC appears it’s tailor made to destroy everything that checks it leading to OP factions against pretty much everything.
Hell I just want warhammer 3 lol. It’s kinda insane that they haven’t at least shown a trailer by now. The time between 1&2 was what about a year in a half, while 2-3 is going on 4 years with no information on the 3rd game. Definitely worries me, hope they don’t have a skeleton crew working on it.
we probably would be there by now if it weren't for covid.
The issue I have with the coast is how much gun powder units they have. It's supposed to be a late medieval-early Renaissance setting, and it's really expansive for the empire to field gun powder units for example.
Then came the coast with as much fire weapons as an 18th century army.
I love the undead pirate thing, but they really seems out of place for me.
My dude, bretonnia is stuck on the 13th century, i fear there is no such thing as "out of place" in this setting
@@arthurgrmg2850 true ^^
yeah, when I saw the V-coast and saw their gun lines I figured that the zombie deckhands would basically be like free company militia, sure they have guns, but their innacurate, short range and basically just screen a shot before getting into melee. I figured that the REAL guns would be only slightly cheaper than other factions but with the accuracy trade off but like... the V-coasts weapons seem to be extremely accurate which doesn't make much sense. the way they are now is just so busted
@Indypride are you planning on continuing your lore, army and tactics for tw:40k? Great video and stay healthy!
Love the reference to Urist at 21:17
@milkandcookiesTW are the beastmen vs lizardmen math up now even?
The Aesop of this video: don't play the beastmen.
I'd be interested in what you think post the new patch rebalance. The knockdown shift for that Beastmen/Lizard match up for example.
Is the game footage from real humans or just against the AI? If it's the AI that shows you how different multiplayer play is from campaign. You could bring completely different armies and wipe the field with the AI, while bringing a competitive multiplayer army against the AI leads to a closer match.
The game footage in this video is against AI, simply because getting good multiplayer footage of each of these matchups would have taken ages. What I'm saying is applicable to both mp and campaign in terms of the base rosters for each faction, but its perhaps less relevant in campaign because its easier to overcome roster deficiencies when playing against AI as opposed to a real player, and you can do stuff like "doomstack" single entities. So this video is more relevant to multiplayer scenarios, where you dont have access to red line skills and units are capped
Which trailer is that footage starting at 2:06 & ending at 2:36? Looks really good, much better than the in-engine ones.
thats just the intro sequence to the vortex campaign that plays in the main menu
you should do a video going over each factions worst match ups if you havent! I think many would appreciate it!