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Can the atrocious Pokémon be redeemed?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2022
- Part 1: • Gyarados Only - Pokemo...
Custom Gyarados Illustration by: / thwiblcomic
Playthrough Rules:
1. Only my starter in battle
2. No items in battle*
3. No glitches or exploits*
4. No Double-Team TM before level 100*
Other rules:
-- *Pokeballs & Pokedolls are allowed in battle
-- *The badge-boost glitch is not restricted at all
-- *Skipping the Rocket Hideout & Marowak is allowed
-- I play the game at 4x game speed (238 frames per second)
-- My Pokemon has perfect DVs
-- The Trash-Can-Puzzle is automatically solved so times are not affected by RNG
-- The bike is allowed (the bike skip is not)
-- Skipping the bike is not allowed
-- Saving between league members is allowed
-- If the solo Pokemon faints and I choose to blackout it counts towards my reset counter
*Double-Team:
-- Almost every Pokemon can learn Double-Team through TM
-- The TM can be purchased in Celadon
-- Using it would centralize the meta
-- Every Pokemon would use it to overcome tough battles at lower levels
-- It raises evasion
-- It triggers the badge boost
-- Banning the TM allows Pokemon who learn it through level up to use it
-- I believe evasion is part of Pokemon and shouldn't be banned entirely
-- I don't want the videos to all be double-team spam though, that's not fun or entertaining
-- Only two Pokemon learn Double-Team through level up: Pikachu & Scyther
-- Minimize is the other evasion raising move, these Pokemon learn it through level up:
-- Clefairy, Clefable, Grimer, Muk, Chansey, Staryu
Yellow Version changes from Red/Blue:
1. You cannot use Dig/Escape Ropes in Bill's House or the Pokefan Club
2. You cannot talk to the trainers in Blaine's gym to battle them
3. Surge, Sabrina, and Blaine do not have Good AI
4. The Elite Four have better movesets
5. Koga, Sabrina, Blaine, and Giovanni have higher level teams
6. Blaine doesn't use Super Potions are full HP
7. The rival picks his eeveelution based on the outcome of the first two battles.
-- Lose in the lab: Vaporeon
-- Win in the lab and skip route 22: Flareon*
-- Win in both locations: Jolteon
-- *You cannot lose on route 22 because you blackout
Terms:
-- STAB
-- Same-Type-Attack-Bonus - a 1.5x damage multiplier
-- Stat Experience
-- The Gen1&2 equivalent of effort values. You can invest in all stats until they max
out at 65535
-- DVs or Determinate Values
-- The Gen1&2 equivalent of IVs (individual values), these range from 0-15
Resources:
-- Gen 1 Stat Calculator: pycosites.com/...
-- All Trainer Pokemon have IVs (DVs) of 89888 (hp, atk, def, spd, spc)
-- All Trainer Pokemon have EVs of 0
-- Gen 1 Crit Rates: www.smogon.com...
-- Crit rate is determined by dividing base speed by 512
-- High crit rate moves determine their rate by dividing base speed by 64
-- All crits have a 1/256 to fail, even if the rate is 100%
-- Crits don't multiple damage by 2, it's a formula based on level
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I appreciate the fact that you took this advice to heart and decided to rerecord the run. That's dedication.
Its sad and stupid that Gyarados couldn't learn Earthquake until gen 3
I only played first and second gen, but it sounds funny for a flying Pokemon to learn earthquake (and yes this monster typing never made sense)
@@juancruzpinero1294 well just by looking at Gyarados one wouldn't question it one bit xD if it was a Bellsprout tho, now I'd have my doubts.
Or Aerodactyl not learning Rock Slide or Skarmory not learning drill peck by level up.
@@juancruzpinero1294 it's funnier for a flying type mon to get *no* flying moves
It’s sad and stupid that aerodactyl can’t learn earthquake or rock slide until gen 3 same goes with kabuto kabutops omanyte and omastar can’t learn rock slide until gen 3 😒
Wow this was a cool video, but Scott I've gotta warn ya: you're getting the speedrunner brainrot :p. dw I have it too its fine. Seeing the optimization in this run was really cool and its cool to see how much more you could push this run down further. The EXP routing was pretty great! You really planned this out and the effort paid off!
You also ran against the runners bane: making cuts to consistency because you know the speed payoff is gonna be great. And 4 minutes was a hell of an improvement for it.
Yeah, cuts to consistency for speed really come out when doing the speedrun races. With these I try to do as little as that as possible, but sometimes it’s just needed for a competitive time. Especially with a slow growth rate mon.
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Yeah especially for running RPGs. The one I ran had a really rough couple of boss fights where the strategies were like...consistent enough that you needed to go for them but not consistent enough to make the number of runs that got through them particularly high. It's always really frustrating haha. It gets even worse than a PB has a really good fight cause then you just see red numbers and feel bad.
Sometimes you just roll a coinflip or a 33% and let RNG take the wheel.
Scott, I love........I absolutely love your content. Ive been a fan since 5k subscribers. Please keep making more. I use your content to sleep because I can mentally visualize your work. This helps me to sleep because it’s not anxiety inducing. As someone who has severe PTSD this helps me so so so so so much. Thank you sir. I love you more than you know. Please keep up you work. You are the man!!!!!!
Hey Ryan, glad my work helps. The content won’t be stopping! I’m loving every moment making it
I think Gyarados would be another one of those really OP pokemon (like gen 2 abra), if it was transferred from gen 2. Then it would start of with moves like trash, flamethrower and waterfall right off the bat
I think the whole point of transferring it from gen 2 would be that it *didn't* start with trash
Uh... how would you do that. They don't hatch from eggs.
I somehow doubt magikarp would start with another of those moves from an egg.
@@KEATONSTOOS Glitches, I'd imagine. But if you're invoking glitches, you could probably get it to start out with any moves you wanted...
this could be a future series, which out of the 251 Pokémon would be quicker through crystal?
So fun fact:
Along with realizing how common it is in casual playthroughs
Gyarados is THE most commonly used NPC Pokemon by around 7 total Gym Leaders and around 2 or more Elite 4 members.
Scott’s Thoughts, JRose11, and AbsolBlogsPokemon are my favorite Pokétubers. They all seem to truly love what they do.
Who’s the last one?
@@skeetermania3202 AbsolBlogsPokemon does a lot of challenges mainly trying to level pokemon to 100 through unconventional means, catching shinies, completing the dex through wondertrade, etc. He's pretty entertaining and his edited videos tend to be on the long side like Jrose so they're good background noise.
I love every second of it. I just wish I could get more stuff out there for everyone to enjoy! Takes a lot of time!
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon you’re killin it man. We can see the difference from when you started to where you are now. You’ve carved out your own niche and that’s awesome. I believe each content creator finds their ‘groove’ so to say, and you’ve definitely found yours. Definitely makes for captivating and intriguing content. If all content creators followed the same course, it would all become stale. Each channel has a certain charm and quality which fans come to know and love. I think Poketubers have a great fan base. Most of those creators, including yourself, know of other Poketubers and give shout outs or collaborate or troll each other (in a joking way), all while adding to the community as a whole. Keep up the fantastic work you do. I have no clue what it takes to produce these videos, I’ve never tried nor am I interested in doing so. I can only imagine the total hours poured into each one. I’m sure you’re well aware, but your fans love it. I know I do and I look forward to more.
Bless you Scott for acknowledging the hiker 🙏🏼
The Red Blue run will be a great reminder that there are some different, atrocious sprites there also and I for one cannot wait for my eyes to cry in a new way
2:16: "I sort of sat there in confusion..."
But did you *hit* yourself in confusion? That's the real question, Scott. :p
I was in hurricane Ian and my home is still without power. This is the first thing I’m watching since the hurricane hit thanks to recharging my phone in my car.
Scott: If Onix uses BIDE, Gyarados is gonna lose.
Me: Well, unless you kill it during BIDE.
Gyarados would most likely have a much faster time in red/blue having a better move pool in the early game. Would also be able to benefit from experience rich trainers without the extra time spent
It’s going to be fun!
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon at least the early game should be much faster. Mid to late game would likely be similar minus the earthquake strat
I love the clerk's attitude when you told him all of this excessive hardware was for Pokemon.
whatever they think it takes to sell stuff
@@InfernosReaper That doesn't make sense. Scott was already buying.
"Jynx has Lovely Kiss and I don't want to open myself to that"
Good Idea. that's a quick way to piss off your fiance.
Fact
I cannot state how much I LOVE the watercolor art.
These things are why I REALLY like your videos. Thank you ♥
Impressed by the dedication it took to redo this run so soon... love ya, Scott!
This was awesome! Thanks for listening to the suggestions and doing justice to the first ACTUAL water dragon (well dratini and dragonair should be water/dragon too).
I love these what if videos this is gonna be a great video, which they always are! can't wait for it to begin, imagine if it learned earthquake like in gen 3 what a beast
i love you and every day you release a new video i sleep so well. never stop
Come on! Gary needs a new pair of shoes!
Technically Struggle is classified has Normal Type in every Generation.
It's just that from Gen. 2 onwards it deals typeless damage.
Kinda like how Hidden Power never does Normal Type damage despite technically being a Normal Type move.
I wonder if that (hidden power) would give stab bonus to normal type pokemon or if it goes off what type of damage that it deals
@@SevenToes It goes by damage Type. Same applies for every move where damage Type and actual Type may differ.
Normal Type Pokémon get STAB from Struggle in Gen. 1, but not in later Generations.
Also hidden power cannot deal normal type damage.
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon I know, that's what I said.
Really cool to see the improvements in the video. I can’t wait for a Gen 2 Red Gyarados playthrough.
Scott is a man of the people for sure for doing this extra video and run.
The people have spoken, we must test Gyarados again!
Gyarados is a beast in gen 1 and 2 with very powerful moves like hyper beam and hydro pump or blizzard earthquake.
Just a thought, could always make a Ditto transform only run. Say it would be very challenging and frustrating at the same time, but would show off your experience and knowledge of the moves in the game to fight each battle like that. Be a pokemon master video with a random pokemon each battle.
Hell if you could do a randomizer that each battle you have a different pokemon that would be crazy. But not sure how that would work leveling.
Oh and thank you for the likes on my comments. Appreciate you taking the time to read them.
might not work for certain battles, like with Agatha. you'd run out of PP and struggle wouldn't hit.
smallant does this for a couple of runs. just so you can get your fix.
Always reading them! Thanks for the comments btw
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon comments are good for the RUclips algorithm.
Or so I've been told, by a very reputable source, who, is in desperate need of a speedy recovery.
Yesss I can't wait to watch this later! Thanks for all the great content!
I liked this shorter revisit video. It was neat.
I so love the cuts between encountering a trainer and being free from the fight. So smooth, skips the menial fights in a lovely way
I believe he learned that from VanMan, actually. Scott's been doing that since their collab
20:49 is the moment of delayed satisfaction.
water onix 2: water onix strikes back
*when* you find out?! Sweet. Already excited!
6 year old trainer energy: "When in doubt, earthquake."
Hype for the Red/Blue Gyarados run!
Soon!
Had a blast on the premier Scott thanks for all the work you do man
Gyrados starting with dragon rage in R/B would be absolutely dominant in the early game. There's a reason you don't normally have access to that move so early.
Appreciate the mention of sleeping in the bed on the S.S. Anne lol
Always
Thanks for another video, Scott!!
You’re welcome;)
Ah, a great video to watch on my sick day.
Get well soon!
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Hey thanks Scott
Not to mention that Gyrados has very nice HP left for the final battle
It does
This saga was worth it if only to learn that Gyarados is the atrocious Pokemon. :)
Out of curiosity, what are your PC-specs?
Did you manage to resolve your problem? Was it the GPU?
Also, great how you reflect on criticism so seriously. Nice video!
Problem isn’t resolved. Rtx3080, ryzen 5950, 64gb ram, 1000watt psu
*who needs rest when you have the healing beds*
Hello Scott and Denis!
Good luck Gyarados!
You really are the best solo-challenge-runner. That's all :)
Thanks so much Kody, glad you’re enjoying
Dude, I just wanna say your videos are awesome!
Thanks so much Marco!
Wow, that optimization was totally worth it, Gayrados is now promoted to the atrocious (in a good way) pokemon. 👏👏👏😁
In pokemon red, this thing is unstoppable, so have fun with it. And I hope that it's slow growth won't couse that much problems for you in your next playthough with it. 😊
In the gen 3 remakes gayrados is really a great pokemon to have, and I think that would maybe do better, then in the gen 1 games, so maybe someday you should try it too.
Besides that, I really appreciate the way that you are trying every way possible, to have the best results for each pokemon, especially with gayrados.👏👏👏So thanks for trying hard, and thanks for always teaching me how to be better in solo runs. 😊Keep up the good work!
Thanks so much Batel.
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon you're very welcomed😊.
Yeah Scotman!
I'm rooting for this monster!
YEEESSSS I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIIIISSSS
If only Gyarados had earthquake -.-
That Magneton would be pile of rubble if it did.
I made a followup. Magneton survives the earthquake 50% of the time. If only it had the steel type in gen1.
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon So technically they are kinda even, Gyarados can survive 2 thunderbolts and magenton can survive 2 Earthquakes.
first time I saw Gyarados backsprite in a Magazin, I thought it was Cloyster or something.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
Man Gyrados isn't one legendary but sure it's legend, its stats, move pool and even its design! Scott you had great improvement comparing now and before, earthquake sure is one great move against electric types such as Jolteon and Magneton! I am quite happy you tried out my suggestion!😄 Well sometimes we make little mistakes, don't we? But man, it's just unfair it cannot learn earthquake normally via tm, what an injustice! I guess all would agree on that... Thank you Scott always glad and content to watch your videos! Until next time!🤙
Hey Anderson! Giving it eq by TM would help it so much!
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon yes that for sure!
Scott’s thoughts have definitely put a lot of though in this 👀🙌🏻 nice adaptation
- when you used maths in Pokémon 😂🙌🏻🙏
It’s just sad to see how game freak took so long to give it access to more physical moves like in later gens 🤣
Or even on previous gens like red and blue where it got early access to dragon rage and hydro pump . Isn’t that insane ? 😂😂😂😂😂
thanks for the flash warning!
if only this sea dragon was Water Dragon type. I guess they wanted to leave venomoth with that signature typing in this generation.
I think we're getting to a point that you'll need to start shuffling the tiers to keep it more realistic. The S tier is getting pretty crowded and we're sure to get a lot more top tier times in the future.
I'll do that after October. Good idea.
Could make like an SS tier or AG tier like where Mega Rayquaza is x3
@@TheReaperofHades I think realistically the lower stage evolutions will need to either drop further (since they'll mostly be surpassed by the higher stages sooner or later by virtue of stats) or get their own tierlists and then only rank the higher ones among the evolved forms so we have an idea of how good / bad all the lower stages are.
SS tier won't solve the issue. If we take the old tierlist as baseline we still have A LOT of S tier pokemon coming and that's not even considering great pokemon that Scott never done (from powerhouses such as Mew and Mewtwo to stuff like Poliwhirl which should fall in S tier alongside it's evolution line).
The S tier at the moment is doing the B tier job of holding the most amount of pokemon and that won't work longterm.
Consider re-ranking the tier list to fit a normal curve. That’s a lot of S tiers.
Also I’d love to see in your VS series Vileplume vs Victreebel and Arcanine vs Ninetales. Version exclusives going head to head! I think that would be awesome
PANR has tuned in.
Awww! You picked ponyta for me! one of my favorite pokemon. Is it cause my patreon icon's a horse? If so that's so thoughtful of you!
Totally random! A software auto generates the credits. What a coincidence!
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon no way! in the swampert one it was a ponyta, too! Love it haha
wait. Scoots thoots is going into pokemon red now too?! LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOO
This weekend. It begins
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon I'm stoked, bro. I know it's gonna be 🔥🔥🔥
Gyarados gonna stomp Kanto if it has Earthquake
Yeah. If only it actually learned it in Gen 1.
@@ShiningJudgment666 Game Freak had to keep Gen 1 Gyarados humble some how
Too bad that the Flying typing is not that useful, aside from that Ground immunity.
Yeah… like it gives neutral type matchup against grass too. But it’s pretty useless offensively and it gives Gyarados its 4x electric weakness which in Yellow version really messes with it. In RB there aren’t really any prominent electric threats…
Said it before and I’ll say it again. Just like with poliwrath trying to rely on hypnosis is just nonlogical for this type of run.
That’s why I made this video ;)
i just waiting for the day earthquake gligar video happen as i just wanna see that destroy the game LUL
Nice health finish. Qnd thanks for an update, i do believe gyrados deservses better position. After all it is one of the better gen1 pokemons.
gyarados was my facourite pokemon when i was a kid ;) i barely knew any meachanics though, i like him and starmie because of their move coverage, also, i always overleveled the gyarados to no end ;D when i came back to playing pokemon (~15 years later ^^) i was really disappointed when i realized he kind of sucks.
now my favourite is tauros, mainly because i never used it as a kid and always had the impression that its shit. i would have dunked on all my classmates back then if i had that on my team instead of the gyarados with the 4 5 ap moves ;D
That guy at the shop ... xD
Week 52 of asking Scott to do an Luxray challenge on Pokemon Platinum
Week 1 of wanting that too, now
Red Gyarados dammit
Thanks for the video Scott! My fiance evolved to wife today! :)
Congradulations!
I think the one thing we know is that Gy
loved the guy at the store
Shaved off some good time there. Video title feels a little clickbaity.
Intentionally so
I still think the combo of swords dance, slash, and focus energy is gold. Focus energy could be really good when you’re using a fast Pokémon and don’t want to crit
Possible with Scyther! Maybe when I re-attempt it!
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon I initially had the idea while watching that video!
I love that in Gen 1 if you use Swords Dance you don’t want to crit, the move that is supposed to increase crits quarters the chance of crits, there is the move Slash which is high base power but also crits more, and that Scyther has the Swords Dance move so it wants to lower its crit chance and has Focus Energy.
I wonder what would statistically be the best full team to go with.
How do you do all the calculations? Is there a specific website or set of sites being used? For example, at 13:10. I've been doing a lot of monotype runs (did gens 1 to 7 for bug and 1 to 5 for Rock) and being able to have this set of tools wod be very helpful. Loving the content!
Router is in the description. Still very much a work in progress
Hi Scott, your video is excellent. If you have a chance can you do a solo run with milotic? It is seen as a counterpart to gyarados and another good water type.
Sure! Great idea.
I thought this would have saved more time.
Me too
..... Gryodrous does not learn hypnosis....
Body slam or hyper beam
Ice beam or blizzard
Lighting bolt
Earthquake
Sadge, no bloopers or oak fight. Hope you're good.
Those are in the previous gyarados video ;)
Grammatical error in the Pokemon Yellow changes at point 6, it should be "at" instead of "are" :^)
Another instance of Pokemon Yellow nerfing a hard hitter. For some reason, in Red and Blue Gyarados has Dragon Rage as a starting move
Gyarados is supposed to be a terrifying sea creature like the Leviathan that can destroy a whole city, seeing it struggle at beginning just hurts my eyes. Its also my favorite pokemon of all time and I always use Gyarados in my team. Wish it had better early learning moves. Like why cant it learn water gun at lv 10? .-.
This is Water Onix
I know you might get this a lot, and it would make future plays some extra time, but why not do the same thing to Blaine's gym as you do Surge's with all the doors unlocked?
Regardless I'm happy with gyarados's performance :D
That is just a time save. I unlock sieges door because it takes different amounts of time based on nothing but rng so this ruins comparison accuracy. Blaine’s guy doesn’t skew results in the same way. So it is possible, but not a good fit for my content.
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Oh right, i forgot it took forever to unlock the trash can puzzle lol. Keep up the great work!!
nice
Niceeeee idea
Hey Scott do you stream? I think a fun casual run could be making a team out of the worst Pokemon you've done runs with, maybe you can add a level cap if you wanted it to be harder.
Sometime on twitch!
But when you rub the captain’s back, it heals you(trolol)
OMG this made me laugh
Why does your timer speed up and slow down? Is it synced to the frame rate or is it just from editing in post. Most of the time it seemed to be moving much slower than real time.
The timer is filmed into the footage while I play. The footage is then syncronized with my script so it is sped up / slowed down all the time.
Prolly not, but might as well try
How about if the Gyrados has different starting stats? I remember reseting the game like crazy until I had a Bulbasaur with strong starting stats. I managed it.
He adjusts every pokemon to have perfect stats
Whenever I go to watch videos, there’s already more, abs I feel bad that I’m so far behind! Hopefully the comments make up for it!
Hey Emily, don't feel bad for being behind! It just means that whenever you want a video there will be one available for you!
That’s true! And I do very much appreciate it! 😊
You gotta trade in a gen 2, or red/blue Gyarados so it gets real moves at low levels.
🍞
10:30 do those two girls to the right of Erika not battle you? They only walk up and talk to you. I'm surprised since everyone I see goes from the left and does the one trainer, but I've never seen anyone go from the right and skip any extra battles I think.
The magic of editing ;) (I did fight both of them)