Why Electro's Theme is a Musical Masterpiece [CC]
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
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We often forget how much effort and meaning musicians put into their work. Hours upon hours worth of passion and ideas - all condensed into a track that only lasts a few minutes at most. Here, I'll briefly try to appreciate some of that genius by examining Hans Zimmer & The Magnificent Six’s theme for Electro, from The Amazing Spider-Man 2.
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Are you planning to do more of these?
@@crAzytitAn4741 There’s definitely more music appreciation videos on the way. And once I pick another theme I like I’ll add another part to the “Musical Masterpiece” series. So the short answer is yes 😂
@@artloverivy Great. Here's a suggestion:
Shang-Chi's theme is a musical masterpiece.
@@crAzytitAn4741 Excellent suggestion! That’s a beautiful piece ❤️ It might take some time but I’ll get to work on it.
@@artloverivy If it's any help to you: Shang-Chi's theme is a beautiful mix of his parents' themes... 😉
It’s stuff like this is why hanz zimmer is one of my top favorite composers
Agreed. One of the best, if not THE best.
And Michael Giacchino
In my opinion, he’s the John Williams of our time.
My #1 is Danny elfman
@@Kobanermani my number 1 is John Powell, hanz zimmer is number 2, and Lorne balfe is number 3
Finally, it has been almost 8 years. I remember in middle school when I attempted to convince people in my music class that this has depth to it, but all they’d hear would be “dubstep noises”. Finally, inner peace. Thank you.
Better late than never right? 🤷🏻♀️
Dude people made fun of me in middle school, I thought this soundtrack was a masterpiece.
Same man!! We were on that wave wayyy before everyone else😎
i feel you bro it was the same with me as well
I mean, middle schoolers aren’t really old enough to properly understand this.
The most impressive thing about this is that its unlike any other Hans Zimmer works. The man really went from orchestral to dubstep and pulled it off brilliantly.
its not dubstep lol. its just a really heavily distorted reese bass.
@@rohannagarkar608 yea lol. but i still find it cool af.
He also work on Chappie with junkie XL and Die Antword
@@rohannagarkar608 Isn't that basically dubstep?
Orchestra and electronic music always has and always will be an excellent combination that people should not sleep on. There are far too little works that combine these two styles but those ones that exist are great. I've said this once before and I will repeat it here, Electronic music is amazing not just in itself but because of how it is able to intertwine and be combined with basically any other music style, be it classical, jazz or rock music.
One thing that I found *really* interesting is that during the scene where Max is in the city, surrounded by people and police, he comes to his senses and doesn't understand what's truly happening. Meaning no harm, trying to not hurt anyone as he doesn't really realize that he has become something different, his theme song goes back to the way it was in the beginning. It was a way of saying that Max had came through just for a couple minutes, and when Peter was talking to him, trying to help him, his anger started to get the best of him and his theme goes back to the menace, evil sound.
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I rewatched this movie with my kids this morning and was so struck by this exact moment. Spiderman almost diffused the situation before someone fired on Max, and broke his trust of Spidey. And the music so perfectly enhanced the scene that followed, and I was so struck by the impact music has. Hans Zimmer is already top notch but I think the entirety of the team composing this shines through.
@@lunar.mermaid I absolutely agree! It's one of the best scenes to exist in marvel in my opinion. Legendary work. ⚡
Those cops shooting him didn't do any favors.
I felt more awful for Max than any single person in that film.
"You know, Max was the sweetest guy until he fell into a vat of electric eels"
"Yep, that'll do it"
Radioactive Electric Eels
god damn eels
supervillains seem to fall into vats a little too often
He should've been called Eelectro
On his birthday 😢
"If you think tough men are dangerous, wait until you see what weak men are capable of." Perfectly describes his character
The writing in this movie is so bad lol.
Jordan Peterson makes an amazing analysis of this
@@AlejandroDeYavorsky159 💀
@@AlejandroDeYavorsky159 cringe
@@calebp3283 weak man detected
I also love how the bass line in Electro's dubstep theme is a minor-key rearrangement of "Itsy Bitsy Spider."
That’s… actually genius. Holy shit.
“I hate this song!”
I'm actually surprised no one's talking about this,
@@spartan7983 I understood that Reference
I noticed this like, the third time I watched the Movie. I was Shocked and Surprised I didn't Noticed the First time.. The song is a Masterpiece.
The background vocals for anyone interested:
"Body's racing, mind is aching"
"Pulse is shaky, madness breaking"
"Paranoia, self destroyer"
"Can't ignore the mental torture"
at 0:48 they change to:
"Something's happening"
"Mind destructing, agony inside of me"
"My pulse is racing, it's this paranoia"
"Mind is aching, body's racing"
"Pulse is shaky, madness breaking"
"I can feel the darkness taking over"
"Denying, the rising"
"The crying, I'm dying"
"Something's happening"
"Mind destructing, agony inside of me"
"My pulse is racing"
"It's this paranoia"
"Pacify"
"The chills inside"
"It thrills my mind"
"Electrified"
at 1:18 they change again:
"can't ignore the paranoia"
"Pulse is shaky, madness breaking"
"Agony inside of me, my pulse is racing"
"Mental torture"
at around 2:57 it returns as such:
"Something's happening"
"Mind destructing, agony inside of me"
"My pulse is racing, it's this paranoia"
"Something's happening"
"Mind destructing, agony inside of me"
"My pulse is racing, it's this paranoia"
"Denying, the rising"
"The crying, I'm dying"
after that, the chorus repeats this:
"Denying, the rising"
"The crying, I'm dying"
Then it ends once the beat drop kicks in.
Pacify, the chills inside
It thrills my mind, electrified
Great it fits though i am more instrumental fan
This is what goes inside the mind of some of my favorite villains, simply because of their backstory.
Joker,
Electro,
Probably a whole lotta others, that would take me forever to name.
Because these are social outcasts, that are isolated, odd ones out, society ignores them, people hate them. Creating an insanity that tells them, I need power to be noticed. Thus... Beauty.
@@Notafayas831
Movie Joker yes, but comics Joker is pure concentrated evil
@@grodd2040 yeah that's the joker I mean
In NWH as soon as the Goblin says “Gods don’t have to choose, we take” , you can see Electro immediately change his mind on getting cured.
That’s because it completely resonated with what he said by the end of of TASM2.
“I’m gonna TAKE back what is rightfully mine. I will control everything, and I will be like a GOD to them”
-Electro
“A god named Sparkles?”
electro is literally low tier god
Electro is also one of those characters that doesn't know his own potential and doesn't have big enough goals to realize it. This is mainly because of his loser-complex and anxiety. For a guy who's pure energy, he really used it for robbing banks or running errands of higher ups for money. The one time he realized his full potential, he was steam rolling the Avengers until, unfortunately, he came face to face with Thor himself, who straight up sucked him into his hammer and banished him into the sky.
@@tream1499 He was literally the hardest to beat, even all three spidermen struggled at the end to defeat him.
@@de4d092 no low tier god is a black twitch streamer that is associated with electricity and always sends death threats.
I was waiting for the world to appreciate Electro's theme. It's one of the masterpieces Hans Zimmer worked on.
Didn’t bard killed you already?
theyll say they were always fans of it all along, just like they said about garfield's spiderman 😒
@@serga7486 Well I have been. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 was the second movie I watched in a cinema while Iron-Man 3 was the first. (Yeah I skipped the first one and I was confused why the characters looked different because all I knew was Tobey's Spider-Man).
Electro is the best and coolest spiderman villain to have appeared on screen. Don’t know why people hate amazing Spider-Man 2 , it is the best spiderman. Movie , only dumb fucks would hate it.
I was so hyped to hear it in No Way Home, just wished they used it a bit more
You know the world is heading the right way when people finally appreciate Electro’s theme. Banger video
Thanks I’m glad you liked it!
Electro theme is considered as one of the best marvel themes even before nwh or tasm mania rised
Remember Electro theme always being appreciated
It was awful lol
Not from my experience. People either never talked about it or called it dubstep
3:13 at the same point the music switches to opera, we also get these consistent pulses of electricity on all the rests, which sounds to me like electric footsteps from a literal living power surge. I love this song.
If Mysterio’s theme was about revealing to be evil, then Electro’s theme is about transforming into evil.
And now Sandman's theme is about not being evil at all, just trying to do the right thing no matter what it takes
Wanna like but it’s at 444
@@StevePerez2900 I wanna like but its at 555
Exactly
Straight fax, honestly I think that max’s theme (his non electro form) is also pretty good and then how it transitions into a more electronic tone is absolutely insane. I also love how Zimmerman makes all the instruments you hear electronic like
At the end of the end of the 12 minute Electro Suite, you hear Max singing quietly, then talking to others like he's in a studio. This is a tiny callback to a deleted scene where he tries to hum happy birthday to remind his mum that it's his birthday and she tells him to stop making noise and he goes "well, I never did take those singing lessons" (something like that). It just makes it even more tragic, because it shows what Max could've been in a happier life.
I heard that while I was editing the suite and didn’t really know what to make of it but I really like your interpretation! Poor Max 💔
I think it's more of an Easter Egg since the suite's on the bonus CD. I believe it's Pharrell Williams doing the background voices and that sounds like him and Hans workshopping the piece. That's a fun interpretation though.
@@JB-IGOR Could be. It's hard to find definitive information online. I just know the theme itself is primarily credited to Hans and Pharrell, so I always assumed it was him, but it could be Foxx as well.
Listening to it closely again and comparing it to interviews of their speaking voices, it does sound a bit more like Foxx than Pharrell (especially in the "Yeah, okay"), but we also have to consider that it still seems like the voice is being altered a bit. It's also the only part of the song where you can hear him actually speaking and not whispering, so it's hard to get more data. You may very well be right though.
Some thing like that would have been some thing big in MAX's character development
@@GH05T-S0LDI34 It's definitely Pharrel. ruclips.net/video/8Q7C1ajvEcs/видео.html
This is a video of film's director, Marc Webb, explaining the process of building the song. They have footage of Pharrell reciting the lines. Really cool stuff🤘
If you listen towards the end as well, the voices are gone, signalling that he's no longer affected by social anxiety, and that max has truly died. Electro is born and is told by the amazing music that takes over
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Nothing like a power trip to cure your mental issues~
@@MediumChainpun intended?
@@Voids_Enigma pun intended
Between you and mean what do you think the voice are (saying) in Max/Electro introduction -From start to finish i mean.
Somethings happening
Mind destructing
Agony inside of me
My pulse is rising
Mental torture
Self destroyer
Can't ignore
The paranoia
Denying the rising
I'm crying
I'm dying
He lied to me
He shot at me
He hates on me
He's using me
Fragility
Electricity
Afraid of me
He's dead to me
That Spider-Man he is my enemy!!
I was struggling so much to find out the lyrics! Thank you! 😊
These aren't the lyrics 😭😭😭
Then why do they fit and sound like they are then huh😂@@bagel5284
@AlexMorayfield they don't. There is a better one in these comics that fit perfectly. Not once does this say "that spiderman he is my enemy" that's the corniest line ever "Alex morayfield" 😭😭😭😭
@@bagel5284 none of the other lyrics fit then huh? I never said the last one did but the others did.
I’ve always referred to this song as anxiety incarnate, the little stinging voices in your head whispering negativity, how everyone hates you, everyone’s judging you how you have nobody and you’re alone but then it takes it all a step further, devolving into anger and giving in to the misery into just a crescendo of wrath making the whole world pay for how horrible you felt, this song is a freaking masterpiece a real banger
💀
@@julianty1149 what?
Thats exactly what it is!
as someone who knows those feelings all too well, i think that’s why i felt so UNCOMFORTABLE listening to this song. it’s so easy to want to turn your back on everything. that said, i have a ton of respect for artists who can make me uncomfortable, i think it’s awesome haha.
@@morgboat744 please don’t turn into a criminal
This doesn’t necessarily relate to Electro’s theme but I used to always be under the impression that Max Dillon’s story was just a tragic tale of man being pushed to his breaking point because people didn’t treat him with common decency. But upon revisiting TAS2, I realize Electro is essentially a parallel of Spider-Man. In the comics (before the spider-bite), despite being quiet and well-mannered, it’s mentioned that if Peter had the power to, he would have exacted revenge on everyone that bullied him. However, his change in thinking was altered due to the death of his Uncle Ben.
In the TAS2, Max Dillon is portrayed the same way as Peter Parker normally is; intelligent but nerdy which causes him to get overlooked and ridiculed. However, when he’s confronted with life-changing power, Max makes the decision to seek revenge because there is no “Uncle Ben” event for him. It’s kinda the same narrative that was used in the first Toby Spider-Man movie and I feel that if that narrative was pursued more, TASM2 could have been a lot better. Not sure if this was an obvious point, but I thought it was something worth sharing.
Also good job on the videos! Please keep them coming!
That's how Spiderman from earth 11638 was. Uncle Ben didn't died so he never learned about responsability and then he became a celebrity, he did whatever he wanted whenever he wanted and so he bring other spidermans to steal their powers and then kill them.
Then he died and became the Ghost Rider
Kinda also how Dr Octopus is in Spectacular Spiderman, the comics and other adaptationa
The account name is very fitting
Maybe for Max, the "Uncle Ben" event could be him coming to realize that spiderman doesn't care about him, that's when the friendly neighbour spiderman died for him
Oye muuuy buena tu teoria bueno tu punto de vista , Realmente me encanto
Back in 2014, it was the first theme I was able to get. This soundtrack has taught me about the power of musical storytelling, and how minor and major notes with memorable melodies can describe a character with no words.
A year later, in 2015 I also played Undertale for the first time, and has finally learned to appreciate the meaning behind music and see it as a form of art, rather than a catchy tune to dance to
After Undertale I finally understood that music means much more than graphics in a game... Pixel art graphics with perfect music can make such a legendary game but basic music with god graphics makes an uninteresting game.
@@georgegkoumas5026 After Undertale I started treating music in games and movies like I treat character and world descriptions in books. A good music fully illustrates who the character is while you diving deeper into game's atmosphere, and it becomes much more impactful experience to you.
It's incredible how Undertale OST is so good people know almost all 100+ of it's tracks by heart
Tasm soundtracks are pretty great besides some of the weird songs that peter plays
I also wanna point out that the soundtracks in the "Loki" series are just masterpieces
@@obi5322 The main theme perfectly encapsulates the TVA to me. I need to go through and listen to all of the soundtrack though.
Max is the perfect example of the world turning the kindest of people into monsters.
Tbh society deserves this nowadays is so souless we deserve Monsters
As someone who identified heavily with Max in this movie(he was the only good part), no. No, Max wasn't a kind guy. He didn't have any chance to be kind. He was just there, too much a part of the background to hurt or help anyone.
@@GwynC Basically he wanted his moment to shine, to prove to be Helpfull to other, but i think the Eels make him "Shine" a bit too much.
I almost fell down such a path, releasing endless agony upon the world... Now, I work to save humanity from our self-imposed doom.
1:15
Man when the voice says "ELECTRIFIED." and it transitions to that heavier, menacing sounding beat, it literally sends chills down my spine
Facts, the Andrew Garfield Spider Man movies are SOOOO underrated.
Relax mate lol, really ain’t that deep sounds like generic video game menu music
@@JayCrosby32 yea sure but isn't it nice to appreciate music? A form of art
@@AlvNiko I’m a sucker for music and art appreciation, but you need to channel that into maybe studying up on Danny Elfmans Spider-Man scores
@@JayCrosby32 even when it says electrified we all know who it’s really referring to which is kinda cool.
I always felt that if the movie focused entirely on Electro & Spider-man instead of trying to force in so many other characters & sub-plots it would had been a way better super hero movie.
They had to anyway because there's not enough for the electro in the entire movie
Yeah but...sadly we live in a world where tasm 2 isnt a great movie, and it was really uncared for interms of writing
@@klaedoe9042 on the contrary it was because sony rushed the writers, if you see deleted scenes of this and the first tasm you might agree
Yeah all the plots they had would have been better suited to a tv show, book, or video game. You can't crunch all of that lore into two hours.
@@klaedoe9042 in my opinion it was
I love how right after he got electrocuted and the music was becoming sinister, we can still hear his clarinet, but the clarinet is slowly fading away, meaning he still could have been saved, he didn't immediately turn evil when he got electrocuted, he was just very unlucky.
Even at Times Square, he was confused about what was happening with him and around him and when the people around him misunderstood him, he lost all hopes of redemption. He turned to evil and that became kind of his redemption
Then them damn cops shot a scared guy who needed help. And the fear turned to anger. The anger to hate. The hate- you get where this takes you: the dark side.
@@Drewcifffer fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate... leads to suffering. the wise words of Master Yoda
I always loved this theme. The goodness slowly becoming consumed by loneliness, then the tension building up, repressed anger slowly surfacing. And then the sheer power and rage when it finally gets unleashed. I've listened to it for years. It's fantastic.
A true masterpiece.
Honestly, Electro SHOULD'VE been the main villain of this movie! He was the MAIN selling point, AND his story was better than Harry's!
People considered Harry to be the main villain of the movie?
tell this to Avi Arad.
Yeah. Too many plot lines leading to a lack of depth.
Just because of Sony's pressure and trailer this movie got ruined 😫😩
He allways was. Harry was just the result of Peter mystake and was supposed to lead him in his dark self that was supposed to appear in the 3rd movie.
Zimmer’s ability to create music that tells a story or fits a persona is unmatched, everything about this piece highlights Max’s character and enhances it in such a way that you can pinpoint the exact things happening in Electro’s mind, that one little snap can unleash the beast
To quote an old saying, a child that is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth.
Hans Zimmer: The Maestro of Modern Music
don’t left out pharrell like that
Bro dropped the hardest electro edit and thought no one would notice.
"He shot at me."
"He lied to me."
"He hates on me!"
"Afraid of me!"
"HE'S USING ME!!"
"HE'S DEAD TO ME!!"
*"AND NOW THEY'RE ALL MY ENEMY!!!"*
_ah, the misery..._
@@will_d76 everybody wants to be.. my enemy-y-y-y
That's how I feel
@@vanillacott9139 emo
@@igor_mso2788 spare the sympathy
What is really cool about Electro is that he is constantly getting stronger. He absorbs energy everywhere he goes, sucking up almost all the power in New York to the point of almost becoming pure energy himself. And that isn't even his maximum! When he gets sent to the MCU, he absorbs the residual energy from the Infinity Stones in the air, which allows him to form a new body that is unconsciously modeled to look like his ideal self rather than the nerd he used to be. Then when he gets the Arc Reactor, his potential power level skyrockets. If they hadn't unplugged him and sent him home, he could have potentially become one of the most powerful beings alive.
Exactly. If he reaches his true potential, he'd be probly unstoppable, or almost.
He could destroy the whole planet & almost everything wif enough energy (& enough energy heat).
Electro's no one to laugh at.
He was handling all three Spider-Man with ease. Dude could basically teleport too.
I had the same theory about how his new look is basically the idealized version of himself. Though never thought about the infinity stones part, interesting
@@jlit5215 It makes sense. They say in Endgame that using the stones sends out a ripple of energy across the planet. So the Snap, the Blip, and Tony's sacrifice basically saturated the atmosphere with cosmic energy that simple doesn't exist in Max's version of Earth. Absorbing that power may have also allowed him to gain some of it's properties, for example the Reality Stone's power may have allowed him to form his new ideal body.
Probly the most deadly Spider-Man villain from wot Inno. It just needs to reach its true potential to become it & be truly terrifying. They'll never call 'im Sparky or Sparkles ever again.
Its honestly nice to see people finally appreciate the TASM movies after years of them being verbally shat on by everyone. I thought I was the only person to like them back in 2014
U aint the only one pal
As I Child I loved both TASM movies. But now I've grown to see the mediocrity of TASM 2, although TASM 1 still stands quite strong imo.
@@markszakallas6677 same, I used to love TASM 2 when it first came out but I can now acknowledge the flaws with the film.
@@markszakallas6677
I'm the opposite. TASM1 is good but 2 is fucking fire. the movement, the cinematography, the fluidity, the effects, the music. nothing has come close in terms of Spider-Man media since tbh.
@@Ziaotic but story of 2 Is complete trash.
This is the first time I’ve ever seen a video explaining what people who see through their ears see- they can truly see a story by listening to something without words.
That’s something I only get on a subconscious level- but to see someone truly lay it out like this as I listen…. It’s like seeing through new eyes
I totally get it. It plays with my emotions to give me a story. its because hans zimmer is a god like music producer . in terms of music, he's the best story teller.
I also noticed that the melody at 3:40 resembles a slowed version of "itsy bitsy spider climbed the waterspout" song
Wow that went completely over my head. The amount of little details in this song is insane.
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That could totally represent the hatred he has for spiderman, like the voices in his head but instead it’s the same melody but electrified over and over
Çok güzel müzik ya, Hans Zimmer biliyor bu işi.
I never watched this video before thinking it was just going to be a commentary about Electro and his theme and some behind-the-scene details or something. But this honestly surprised me - no narrator, no unwanted stuff, just the pure music and captions to explain everything without interrupting the flow - like a tourist guide explaining everything on a safari lol. Imma subscribe :)
Definitely not looking to waste your time! Glad you liked it 😊💖
@@artloverivy 😎
Faxx
I love the way how you explain the meaning of the music. Definitely enjoyed the Mysterio one. Keep it up
Thank you 😊
@@artloverivy I wonder, can you do one for Vulture’s theme? That’s got to be one of my favorite Spider-Man themes other than Electro and Mysterio
@@artloverivy man you should definitely do more of these
I absolutely loved these
Hey have you heard Undertale music
@@mryashiro1461 yesss
IKR
Max just wanted recognition for his work, he deserved it
I love how didn't just perfectly explain the theme but also Max Dillon himself. A lot of people didn't understand him and claimed he was a badly-written villain and claimed his motivation didn't make sense.
Tasm 2 had good character writing, it was only the story writing that needed work
@@Venom-rr1vg Harry was quite poorly written, his motivation in the 3rd act makes no sense. He asks Spider-Man to give him his blood and he says no because it might make things worse. Then when Harry injects himself it literally does make things worse and turns him into Green Goblin. There is literally no reason for him to be angry at Spider-Man at the end of the film because what Spider-Man said was 100% correct
@@Venom-rr1vg exactly
@@Rozveree I think because he was dying he was desperate. So i think when he found out that Peter was Spider-Man he felt betrayed by his friend and he thought that he would let him die. Or something like that idk. But i agree, although i actually liked the character i think he was a little poorly written.
@@Rozveree i mean hey, if im correct Harry’s a teen so i think he would’ve still went after Spidey
This is what Dubstep should be, it's not just cool _wub wub_ all the time, this song feels like it makes progress and and each measure sounds more distinctive rather than a subtle change of noise, just like a lot of real songs.
I would LOVE for Hanz to be a dubstep artist.
Dubstep is good for parties.. i dont think songs with depth and meanings are meant to be partied to lmao. Imagine trying to party and suddenly you feel sympathetic to a man who got electrocuted
I noticed that… it’s just not random sounds, he uses the sound in the best moment :)
Might wanna check out Parallel Processing by Danimal Cannon & Zef (the song, not the album). It's among the best EDM I've ever heard, and uses a lot of what you're describing. It's 8mins, so please set out some time to really listen.
@@acatcheckingitstemperature394 Your right, dubstep is more party-type music, but I think that "story songs" can still be dubstep and really moving. But also yeah, I don't want to go to a depressing party lol.
Wanted to add to the notes:
At roughly 1:15, the voices pick up, and this reflects how the social anxiety and pressures of the world around him are pushing Max towards a more aggressive way out, that he's losing his ability to tolerate the rejection he experiences.
This is reflected throughout the pre-electrocution section.
Then at 1:51, when the violin cuts in, it reflects how Max is feeling about the fact that even on his birthday, nothing has changed, and he's still being treated as the same worthless person that everyone usually treats him as. This is amplified by the increasing volume and clarity of the voices of anxiety in the background.
At 3:10, when the voices return as far more coherent and individual, it shows that Max has broken. He is no longer capable of tolerating the abuse levelled towards him, and he is now dispelling the cohort of anxiety with anger, reducing them from incessant and collective to temporary, individual and coherent. Things that are easier to focus on, and therefore easier to destroy.
With the operatic transformation at 3:14, it shows that Max is now harnessing those fears and anxieties as empowering sources. It is also shown that he no longer cares about any of them, thinking them weak, by allowing them to become collective again, but they've all lost their voices, and simply become choral singing.
And with the drop at 3:36-3:41, with all sounds disappearing except for a sizzling pulse of electricity and a high pitched train-track-screeching-like drone, it shows, like you said, how the fearful, anxious and weak Max Dilon has now been so utterly broken by the world around him and the electrocution, that his old personality has been obliterated. But on top of that, it displays how he is now using all of the things that held him down in the past to obliterate the one thing he views as the ultimate challenge, the epitome of his past abuse - Spiderman.
And beyond 3:41, it reflects pure, utter power and emotional coherence and hatred of Spiderman, as well as the freedom and sense of rising above all else that he had been held down by. Electro's final section is a pure expression of hatred and power being focused and directed towards the destruction of one thing.
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THIS COMMENT DESERVES MORE LIKES, dude just wrote an entire essay
Ok
At this point just make your own video bro
@@azel8212 No.
We’ve all seen “the silent kid” memes, but if you really think about it the people who are the loudest and throw their weight around have no power whatsoever. It’s the people who hold back, keep everything inside, and when they finally snap they are truly a force to be reckoned with.
I want to take a minute to acknowledge how good this review really is . You letting us hearing the music and telling us without talking over the music . And I thank you
Thank you so much that’s so sweet 😊
@@artloverivy legit tho great way to show
@@Idk-cy2sb agreed
I still wonder how they're able to describe and actually interpret what the music is telling us, it's like they can communicate with music.
So badass how max was this weak, bullied person that nobody noticed and then he turns into this masterpiece of a villain⚡
For me Max is a very tragic character. I always get sad when I think about him.
he is the most powerful in term of damage of the sinister six.The smartest is Doc Ock .
He is like Sandman is sand but sand itself cant damage people. Electric itself can make people go bye bye if they touch it
@CytalDeArtist and electro is so strong because of technology. The humans creation was the downfall of them and now he's able to harness their perfections and make it their flaws 😎
@@MIbra96 thats a sign of good writing
I wouldn't say masterpiece, more like could have been better.
1:17 people usually ignore this part but the subtle hint it represents is chilling.
YES I’m glad someone else mentioned this. I love that part.
What hint
Yeah, I heard it sounds really good when paying attention
No idea how many times I've listened to this for this very bit.
@@MrThecrazyzombie Hint of his transformation
As a kid the theme made me cry for him. I could see bro's pain and suffering each time i heard the theme. Tho I had to watch the movie more than 3 times to get and connect all details
This video shows more character development than the entire movie itself
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No
I think that's kind of unfair and reductive. The movie definitely had a few too many plotlines going which helped make it feel like there was not much character development, but there was
@@DeadDropGamer but its still executed way better in this theme than the movie
@@ghosttoast4045 This theme was literally in the movie dawg.
This also explains why electro was different in No way home. He was electro before he was teleported to the MCU. As electro max was confident and a bit cocky, he was given power an insane amount of power. Plus he was kicking Spider-Man’s ass before. Max has grown confident and his darker angrier side has shown itself. The coward max Dillion is gone, only the power hungry electro
Very much so. Despite looking like his human self, Jamie Foxx made sure to play him VERY differently from how he was before getting electrocuted.
@@artloverivy what I like about Electro as he becomes obsessed with the energy in the MCU universe since it’s more powerful than the universe he’s from, and while he decided to be cured, he goes back to villainy after the Green Goblin’s manipulation. If you think about it, the Goblin’s speech on how he and the other 3 don’t need to be fixed affected Electro the most because he wanted to be seen for who he is and he thinks that his powers is the key to it.
I like that at 2:40 it sounds like a muffled scream, he definitely cried for help but no one heard him like always
I can't hear it. Maybe that's also the point?
@@TheBigKaiju I heard a faint sound like bubbles gurgling, it might not have been intentional but it does kind of sound like him trying to scream
I hear It too, damn i got goosebumps 😅
Ye, that one gives me chills. It's basically like a loudest shout or scream a man can make, sounds so sharp to the ear, yet so faint you can barely hear it. And that fact that it can be barely heard is the chilling part.
@@TheBigKaijuIt’s there. If you have earbuds or headphones, the screaming can be most noticeable from the right side. The screaming is probably really faint to emphasize the point of nobody being there for Max, even when transforming into Electro.
To be honest, the entire TASM soundtrack is a work of art, it's just captivating to hear.
I also love how the lyrics are "They hate me, they shot me, they don't like me, they despise me"
If you've ever been truly angry to where you're about to snap, this is how it feels. All those thoughts rapidly going through your head until you eventually snap, which is where the dubstep drop comes in
I call it "circling the drain" you force yourself to stay positive or in good spirits but its a self feeding cycle down the train of anger.
Drives me nuts when people say Electro's aggression came out of nowhere in the first confrontation. It was all in the lyrics. You just had to listen.
mantap
If you listen closely you Will hear the voices say “denial” and “paranoia” at 3:00
Paranoia
Self Destroyer
Can't ignore the mental torture
I've always loved Electro's theme, is so intense always gives me chills!
You've done an amazing job at deciphering it!
Thanks! I’m glad you enjoyed it 💖
Wow. The song told his story. That's why it's brilliant. The tone fell deeper and deeper, just like Electro did.
"man. gotta be careful where you fall"
It's rare to see a video like that that does both explaining why this song is masterpiece whilst peacefully showing the song ( why ). Great job! I absolutely love the video!
Thank you 😊
You can feel how uneasy and “out of place” the whole vibe of the theme feels. It just has this sense of suspense that keeps me at the edge of my seat. That is UNTIL the electric part hits. Where we can tell Max’s villain arc begins. Where he comes out of his shell and rises with power.
Yeah!!😌
Villains can always be made out of anybody out there. Even if they were nothing but a harmless poor soul like Max here, and this music tells his transformation of becoming what he is now incredibly
Absolutely!😌
People have the potential to be both good or bad and their environment plays a major role in deciding between the two.
Even Hitler and Stalin had very painful childhoods and were abused by their father's on a regular basis..
TASM2 may not be the most liked film, but the music and CGI is simply amazing!
actually rewatched them just now, they do hold up quite well imo. i do like bad films though so maybe im not the best critic lmao
@@avokka I love it, to me the second movie is always the best in all spiderman series. octopus, electro and now mysterio. To me these are the best 3 movies.
That’s not saying much. CGI looking bad due to the era stopped being a valid excuse in 2010, it should always look good, and Hans is the GOAT movie composer
@@AndreyGP Mysterio was great but No Way Home, IMO, was a better movie as it finally took Ironman out of the picture and brought Spiderman down to the level he is supposed to be.
Also, JJ...it has a lot more JJ :)
I don’t even think it’s that bad of a film, granted it’s the worse Spider-Man movie of the 21st century, but I enjoyed some of its aspects
Man just needed a hug. Be friendly people, you never know who is standing on the edge.
3:07 mY BEST PART WHAT I HEARD ::::
DOUBT sings : paranoia, Denying, Conieving, I`m crying, I`m Dying
paranoia responds :RISE UP, ARISE NOW, .....
chills
I like how someone the music sounds like electricity coercing through his body but also has a mixture of himself in it, the subtle keys playing increase before it explodes into electricity, but even when that plays you can hear his paranoia growing, the power getting to his head before it consumed him and made him go fully evil, this is why max dillion/electro was my favorite parts in the amazing Spider-Man movie
Same !!
Finally someone who explains their theory with caption. No cuts, only caption. Saves the time and effort and gives you the idea. Simply well done and made OMG
Can we appreciate this bit at 2:20? Has to be my favorite little snippet of this theme.
Prior to it, the calm and timid-sounding clarinet (Max's theme) _contrasts_ with the unhinged strings and spooky distorted voices (Electro's theme). But here, the clarinet changes key, merging into and becoming one with the voices, sounding sour and sinister... Before the drop, when it disappears completely, and only the electronic instruments are left.
The starting theme gets tears in my eyes.
His innocency....
But his evil theme is badass
He is awesome
Good he's back
the amazing spiderman movies had a lot of potential to be great films, they had some pretty neat concepts and ideas that would've definitely worked if they were executed properly.
Its just the plot
@@j_oe6919 yeah it is, the sequence and the execution of the plot
Absolutely. To date I still think Electro could've been an incredible and memorable villain if they had given him more character development. How perfect this theme is for a sociopathic badass villain. They just didn't make it work as it should
I still think the amazing Spider-Man movies are a bit better imo but too each his own. Tom H movies are still pretty good
tasm movies aren't as bad as everyone says they are. very entraining and visually stunning films with great scores and CGI that still surpasses Marvel today
Max is the perfect definition of modern day introvert. Struggles to put himself among society, fit in, and be appreciated. While the rest of the world denies his thoughts and hard work. To make it worse, society puts men on a high standard, so all that pressure keeps building, and building, and building. Until finally he can't take it anymore, and he decides to show the world how much anger is built inside him. Compare him to anyone who has been pushed over that edge and gone that far off.
It's me... my whole fuckin' life
@@andrewk.277 be strong, don't let anyone get under your skin.
@@IVova6260 I'm trying for 26 years of my perfect and at the same time cursed life man... my soul is almost fully shredded into tiny little pieces, my mind is going crazy and my heart is turning into stone... i'm tired of this people and this planet
(Dr. Manhattan bruh)... i have so many things stored in my brain, such as knowledge of languages
(like 10), 1000+ movies and 3463 songs (i'm serious)
i write songs and scripts, i have 2 master degrees, i work as a goddamn maniac
(i do 100+ things, that others cannot)
Also life experience (sooo much that even a person who is like 70 has not seen and felt his entire life), different stupid feelings etc.
I have much to say and to show, but nobody gives a fuck and so do i in the end... cause it does not matter... in the end there is only death, but i believe in God (universe call it as you want) and i feel the holiness in me... that's what is keeping me intact with this reality.
This world is... such a beautiful and messed up place for beings like us... we do not deserve it
I never had friends... but i tried, everyone called me crazy strange etc.
My life is fucked up... everyone of us has his own story to tell... and mine, ohohoh it's too long
@@andrewk.277 you know what I do. I hit the gym crank up heavy metal, and start lifting weights. Builds muscle and eases the mind at the end of the day. This world was never easy for men, and it's not any better when femenazis think it's ok to treat men like trash by cussing us out, hitting us, and telling us that we are useless, no longer needed and should die. That's why you train your mind and your body. Been living for 22, and without a doubt in my mind if I hadn't hit the gym I probably would have Temper outbursts.
@@IVova6260 i hit the gym bruh, i have a perfect body but a shitty health...
You doin' great, keep goin'
Hans Zimmer can easily tell stories with melodies
This feels less like the annoying dubstep people claim it is. This is looking into the inner thoughts and psyche of a character, a character who has never been treated with an ounce of decency from anyone his entire life. Max is still a kind person, but experiences so much self-doubt and paranoia because of how people treat him. Eventually, this takes a turn when he's acknowledged by someone who is so famous, and a hero, no less. He begins to worship that person, imagining that they're best friends because of a few quick words that were shared. Spider-Man probably didn't think too much about what he had said to him, or how it might affect him. But when the people around him continue to push him around, he experiences a change, that gives him incredible power. He doesn't see it as a good thing at first, he's scared and confused, but it causes other people to see him. To *notice* him. When his hero tries to help figure out what's happening to him, he tells him: "They're not going to shoot you. Hey, you guys, this is my buddy, Max!"
But because Spider-Man wasn't giving the orders, a fatal misunderstanding causes Max to lash out. His hero has to intervene, he wants to help Max, but knows that he's dangerous. This creates a turning point. Everyone is rooting for Spider-Man, and booing at Max. The positive attention (or so he thought) has been shifted. In Max's eyes, Spider-Man never cared about him, and only cared about selfishly protecting his image as a hero. He promised they wouldn't shoot at him, and they did. Max turns, and realizes that with this power, he can enact revenge on everyone who has ever wronged him, starting with Spider-Man. Unlike before, he is a man with power, and is out to make the rest of the world feel powerless, like he did for so long.
"A world without power-.."
"A world without mercy-.."
"A world without Spider-Man-.."
Max Dillon is dead,
*now there is only Electro.*
Heavy Broken heart + electro powers = Destruction chaos
Wait who Tf said it's annoying ?
Facts he should’ve been the main villain, no one else
Dubstep is not annoying
The Dubstep is not annoying at all, honestly it feels like the most Dubstep from good Dubstep artists, flux pavilion, Neo, datsik, excision. This movie came out at the peak of Dubstep (for me) and used it wonderfully.
You have convinced me I should have payed more attention. This is a musical masterpiece.
Yay! Mission accomplished 💃
I also like how fast and almost scatterbrained the baseline is, and how unchanging it is. It’s reminds me almost of a negative ruminative thought loop with no way out. It’s as if he doesn’t see any escape from the the way people treat him. The longer those thoughts loop for, the more corrosive and intense they get, and that’s exactly what happens in this piece.
It’s like in your mind where you draw an unwanted conclusion from the way you view things, and you can’t find any other way to look at it, so it just becomes, this = this, and there is no alternative. It’s like how ants have a circle of death when they lose their trail and keep running in circles until they eventually die.
That's cyclical paranoia in the man's head 🤷🏽♂️
honestly the commentary elevated the listening experience for me and as the build to the drop happened I turned up my system volume, the RUclips player volume, and my physical headphone volume all to create an electrifying experience
i love this moment in the movie so much 3:37 when the music goes quiet for a moment and the drop from the beat comes too wild simply
When I heard this in No Way Home I freaked out, then was immediately kinda sad because they only played like 2 seconds of it
Better than nothing I guess 😭
Someone will put the theme back on as an edit or something
may have only played for like 2 seconds, but oh boy it got me really hyped up
@@altier1014 i was so hyped when the theme was played. Be it 2 seconds, i was grateful. That was pure hype.....
When does it play?
I will never forgive Marvel for not utilizing this soundtrack a bit more in No Way Home. Get the theatre to rock a bit
Yeah, they used like, 4 seconds of this soundtrack in NWH
Yeah, because if they used the whole thing, Sony would have to pay Hans Zimmer for the licensing of the track.
You made me watch the movie for the first time and whenever I heard this theme I started crying.
I love how they combined classical music with dubstep
I don’t get why people didn’t like this theme when the movie came out it gets me pumped
This was well received. Whole album is a masterpiece.
Was underrated due to the movie's negative review
I must disagree. Almost everyone agreed Electros theme was fantastic, it was Spider-Man’s theme that was lacking.
This is easily my favorite villain theme in cinematic history, besides like maybe the imperial march.
What about the one rings theme
Black panther villain
Into The Spider-Verse Prowler?
The Winter Soldier?
@@sh7dowmustdie both good but not as straight up fire as this is
I loved it very much how you put those subtitles expressing actual motive and deep meaning of the tracks that were played. Only listening to the theme surely is awesome but reading and understanding the meaning behind the track, that just adds up so much energy. Commentry done so perfectly , got goosebumps.
FINALLY PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND HOW AMAZING THIS PIECE IS. I’ve tried to have conversations with people on this and either nobody agreed or noticed this song
This song never failed to disappoint me first time watching TASM 2.
Hearing playing in No Way Home, even for just a little bit, was amazing!
Same here
@@hunterlawrence3573 where? I didn't hear it anywhere, TASM2 had Hans Zimmer, TASM had James Horner I think and the melodies are different, they used little pieces of the music from TASM not TASM 2 as far as I know
@@giovannifrrri5495 A small segment plays when he first appears
this song is incredible
i listened to the first couple seconds and then skipped to around 4mins and was shocked by how drastic the tone of the song had shifted and how different it sounded and i needed to know how the song got to that point, so i listened to the whole thing and...
goddamn, if i were to describe this as a single sentence it would be: *the madness creeps in one way or another*.
this song sounds like a descent into madness while trying to keep cool and pretend everything is and will be fine, until at 3:37 where the realization is made that everything is not ok and will not be ok, and the ones responsible for it are going to pay
the orchestral parts representing the thoughts of "its going to be ok" as the whispers of doubt creep further and further until the orchestral part climaxes conflicting with the whispers of doubt, until its overtaken and gone completely, and the whispers and distorted notes and sounds take over from there
perfectly represents Max's entire transformation to Electro
Yeah comparing the beginning and ending of the song really shows you how much it changes during the portrayal of the same character. It’s awesome stuff.
I think this theme is better than the movie. The idea that Electro is terrified his condition will kill him (‘I’m dying!’) is a much more haunting concept than just him being a glory hound
*Denying:* Everyone denies my existence. Denying my dignity and respect as a human being.
*The Rising:* The rising of a monster created from pain and abuse.
*The crying:* I'm constantly crying out; no one hears me.
*I'm dying:* I'm losing myself, I'm losing my grip. I hate what I'm becoming, but I hate them even more. They killed me. *Spider-Man killed me...*
No, the full Movie was great
It absolutely blew my mind when I heard it on the cinema. Besides being awesome, it was just astonishing how they so PERFECTLY arranged the action on par of the music. I don't think I've ever seen something so well put together
What I also love about this theme is how it’s somewhat difficult to make out what the whispers are actually saying at the start , making it sound muddled and confusing which you could say pretty accurately represents the quiet voices in the back of a socially anxious persons head: difficult to listen to but hard to ignore. But they get louder and clearer as the song picks up it’s pace.
I have loved this theme ever since I first heard it. I just absolutely love all of the little choices that go into it. Like the thumping that comes in around 1:20ish. Not only is it a sound that grips the audience and prepares for the break as it's building, but it's also so nice due to being Max's new flow. His initial theme is light, cowardly in it's meekness, always refusing to make itself heard as Max himself continues to take shit from the world. After the accident, we have this new thumping to represent Electro's new beating pulse, the new life in his veins. He's been reborn. And this is where the whispers begin. Where Max's identity and Electro's identity begin to meet. The whispers are Electro, telling Max what he should be feeling and doing while Max himself is lost in the thumping, lost in the white noise, lost in the sensory overload of everything. (Think of when he gets to Times Square and we see through his eyes. Everything is new, and Max is hungry for it) But then as Andrew and the police's mishaps begin to harass him, Electro begins to gain traction on Max. The pulse quickens and slows, with Electro's voice getting louder and louder until that crucial moment. The thumping stops. We're left with this clinging noise as if scratching on a chalkboard. And in his scene Max begins to speak. in this moment Max begins to echo what Electro is telling him. They lied to me, they shot at me, they hate me. And finally Max and Electro converge, Max being absorbed into Electro's unescapable mass as they vent their anger, their frustration, their beef with the world on one single target.
That Spider-Man. He is my enemy.
And then the beat drops, giving us the epitome of Electro's theme and representing his acceptance of madness and being awful, as his music produces the screams he wishes to shock out of the world. It's his birthday after all, and he's here to blow out his candles~
Edit: Just actually seen all of your commentary about the song. I hope people don't think I just copycatted, heh. I just listen to this song way too much
Oh my
Well said men🥸
I ain’t reading all that 😂😂😂
I listen to this song whenever I’m going for a run. I just jog when the instruments are low but when it gets intense I start sprinting as fast as I can 🏃♂️
Did you feel like electricity or lightning is suddenly bursting out you? Cause if so, that's badass
@@venomark7883 it feels like for me on the treadmill
DUDE same!!
Hans Zimmer will always be one of my favorite composers of all time. His work on Christopher Nolan's films, especially Interstellar, is phenomenal.
My man Zimmer told the whole story of Max Dillon with just his music
He will always be a legend
Most people are gonna hate me, but actually "The Amazing Spider-Man 2 " is one of my favourite Spider-Man movies. The effects, the music, the characters. I just love them!
There’s no shame in simply enjoying a movie hun 💖
Like the song says "haters gonna hate"
I find this movie an enjoyable experience too. Even if I have my own preference for favorite spiderman movie
I don’t hate it, but the story just didn’t work, in my opinion ofc
YES
Not my favorite but definitely the funniest
the way it drops at 1:17 always gives me chills it sounds so fucking good, even though the movie is a bit of a mess there's some parts of it that truly shine and the soundtrack is probably the best aspect, my favourite spiderman ost from any media
Exactly, I can't remember any memorable tracks from Tom Holland's spider man. Apart from his main theme and the pretty epic spider man theme song in the opening of homecoming. TASM 2 on the other hand..
3:30 wow that drop is amazing
The buildup and backstory was perfectly done. Everything of Max's character was what fans wanted from the start of the original movie with William Dafoe. The sympathy to their cause and simply their inner struggle that realistically led them to who they become. Although I was a fan of the original fist movies the fact they kept this inspiration to these films kept me hooked.
Max is a well written character, though hes potrayed a little over the top. Spider-man is probably the only guy that Max really saw as caring about him. He becomes obsessed with him. When Max turns into Electro, he's finally seen by the world. People are finally paying attention to him. Then Spider-man shows up. He tries to help, but forgets Max's name. Then the crowd focuses on Spider-man. Electro feels betrayed. Spider-man is taking everything away from him in his eyes. Thats where he becomes a villain, and his theme amps up and reflects that.
The Amazing Spider-man 2 wouldve been a masterpiece if Sony didnt involve themselves so much.
Tbh the music is the only good thing about TASM2
@@Chadius_Thundercock CGI was great as well. There are a bunch of other things that are great but the negatives are big as well (especially how it ended).
"He tries to help, but forgets Max's name." Max actually didn't really think much of it as Spiderman did recognized him as the blueprint guy and the way it was played up, Max still thought Spiderman knew him. It wasn't until the sniper shot him that he believed that Spiderman lied to him in order to get him shot that he turned on him (listen to the voices after he gets show).
More could have been made of this, but I think the change of mind happened too quickly, I'm not complaining that it seemed like a childish tantrum, in fact, that's expected, but still
These videos feel like they came straight out of 2010 YT with the way their made and I love it
simple and to the point, what’s not to love?
I really shouldn't be listening to this in the middle of my depression, given my current lack of a self-image and how I can relate to Max...
But it also feels so good, and the music is just fire.
Another cool detail to notice:
Around the end of the song the voices start using "Me" alot, which shows max inst shy anymore
I've always LOVED this theme back then. Still to this day, as one of my FAVORITE villain theme of all time. Hanz Zimmer is a GENIUS for this creation.
The music speaks for itself. And it's really a masterpiece.
If the music spoke for itself... when they did they feel the need to add lyrics? lol
@@OblivionFalls Because not everyone can understand it? -_-
@@OblivionFalls tbf, the lyrics are pretty hard to understand. It's more about having the sounds of human voices present in the background.
The actual lyrics are like an easter egg
Hsshs
there's also a part where spiderman is trying to help him (the time square scene) but all he can see is spiderman is fighting him. Along wth the tension rising in the scene, the voices in the music also starts to intensify and when I listen to it.. it sometimes tells him that spiderman is "Lying" and that he is the Enemy. This Theme really caught me eversince the first time I watched this in cinema
1:17 That beat just feels so powerful
But then 2:14 came in
Spider man: I hate this song
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@@Dea2766 no one cares
@@filthyguy says the one caring rn
I have legit watched this 3 times today just because of how great the song is.
Same
Me too
You too?
L day
ive been watching this on loop for the past week
chills. really powerful music, and i love the way it's presented in this video. no voiceover cutting in to explain things and ruin the pacing, just subtitles. love it
Glad you liked 🤗
Too bad it’s wasted on this movie