Hi VK, can I ask you for your recommendation? I have a 10.5" Ipad Pro, and I'm only interested in playing racing games (RR3 and Grid Autosport), but I want to be able to use external triggers/buttons assigned to brake/accelerator, gearchange, and a few other useful controls, but I'll be steering using the iPad Pro's gyro, so I probably don't need the joysticks and I'm looking for something like the Gamevice X2 lightning version or Gamesir X2 . Unfortunately, the options which are actually available here seem to be low budget and receive bad reviews. My budget is also somewhat limited, and I'm based in Europe. Thank you.
@@VKsChannel Sorry, no, I meant the Gamevice Flex or Gamesir X2, although I believe that this controller wasn’t designed to expand to 10.5” - hence my request. Also, aside from my iPad Pro I only have my iphone Xs, but I find the screen too small to use for gaming. If it were possible to mirror to a large display, or even my iPad without the issue of long latency, then I’d use the iphone instead in combination with any of these controllers, but sadly that’s not the case - at least as far as I have been able to discover up till now.
The Junglecat is probably the best solution for mobile controllers, telescoping ones will always have some amount of flex, and per-device packages get expensive. Which is why a JoyCon-style rail makes things make sense if only the case lineup itself expanded beyond just the few (4 depending on product SKU, possibly 5 depending on region) supported devices, and if cases did expand into many other modes this is where manufacturing savings would be seen as the controller units are universal for all cases and the cases themselves can be made fairly inexpensively rather than having per-device molds for a full controller which circles back into universal split controllers and their downsides. At least until MagSafe is universal between devices, supposedly Samsung is adopting them for the S24, apparently Google as well, and WPC (Wireless Power Consortium) is implementing the design for Qi2 which will inevitably force everyone's hand into implementing it; of which there's believed to be over 500 manufacturers within the WPC, all of the big ones included. A MagSafe controller accessory could be very interesting; especially if PowerShare is widely adopted, Samsung's wireless power _out_ for secondary devices, which would mean no USB power for a battery-less controller, only thing better would be if data could get shoehorned into this, which would drop the need for BT connections and any amount of wireless latency, NFC-RFID exists but I'm talking about constant bi-directional communication of USB-like data throughput of at least 2.x spec. Just imagine having a backplate with shorter telescopes at both ends, this could become insanely rigid by comparison to typical telescopic controllers, this would be even cooler if MagSave accessories could be stacked in some way similar to how the MagSafe case works as a pass-through, say phone-controller-charger; technically this is already possible but I also don't see anyone making a three-piece controller-backplate-controller set of this style, but it'd work great with a vertical clip (maybe split between the two ends rather than a singular central clip) with light horizontal clamping and depth could be accounted for by using a screw and cam assembly. The concept of the Flex is interesting but it seems a bit too flimsy. Part of the issue is that you just cannot constrain much of the screen of a phone without items getting in the way, that's why a traditional case with rails works so well, or alternatively a clipped-on backplate with sturdier telescopic controllers, or the MagSafe version of the latter. I also dislike how much plastic waste the Flex creates with its inserts, having a cam with an adjustable screw would work so much better as a depth filler. Another thing about this device specifically that I dislike is the lack of data on the external USB port, so many people have adapted to Type C DACs or headphones, and while the built-in 3.5mm jack might be nice I'm sure the internal DAC isn't of any amount of quality compared to what people likely already have; data passthrough just makes more sense, though I'm not entirely sure how a device would handle two audio output devices in this way, I've never messed with iOS or Android to that depth since it'd be an absolute edge case to have multiple audio out devices like this. Overall, the design of the Flex just seems a bit flimsier than what I'd be comfortable with; IMO there's better way to do everything this unit tries to achieve, and there's better alternatives, potentially with a brighter future for these kinds of controllers.
@@xaytana Holy mother. Can't let this go unread. Junglecat just seems too small. MagSafe is proprietary Apple. Ain't no way we see them licencing it to anyone. Data through magnet connection... interesting. I think it'd end up being an NFC-type thing, or they could just... you know... finally do hardware modularity. Moto Mod is like... exactly what you're describing; it has no wireless lag. Totally agree on having stackability. It might have data. I've seen charging passthroughs work for data, even when it's not stated. Or, if they diverted all of the data to the audio jack, grab a 3.5 to USB C adapter.
@@CarrotsNotCakeIt'd severely help many people to actually look into topics they're about to debate before actually commenting on them, _you included,_ some logical thought and basic understanding of simple words and grammar would also help quite a bit. I had mentioned the WPC and Qi2 within my comment of MagSafe, a very _important_ detail you glossed over that entirely debunks your own statement on the topic. Guess what, Qi2 is essentially MagSafe, Apple has contributed to it, and the iPhone 15 is supporting it at least at the Qi2-15w standard, Qi2 might as well interchangeable MagSafe, it might as well be Apple-branded Qi2; oh, and it also fixes the issue of 'MagSafe compatible' accessories not throughputting actual MagSafe charging speeds. This also further means that MagSafe accessories will become Qi2 accessories. The only real difference will be the magnet array, WPC is simplifying it to apparently 15 magnets total, but I wouldn't be surprised if Qi2 retains the exact orientation so that compatibility is also retained, especially as Apple is using Qi2 in the iPhone 15 and its accessories, forward-compatibilyt of MagSafe accessories on the iPhone 15 with Qi2 makes sense. I had also already mentioned NFC. Current implementations of NFC, as an extension of RFID, just won't work due to how it works; to further this, any NFC-based beaming for data transfers between devices is done over bluetooth with NFC being the pairing handshake. It's theoretically possible to pass data via AC induction, but I have no idea how reliable it'd be, I mean inductive position sensors somewhat already work in this way but have some specific IC gates attached to them, rather than determine position it could instead determine binary with redundancy on a much simpler 'coil;' this is also why RFID doesn't work, they're not fully active coils, if anything they just leech power to output a very short string that's read. This is also an area where part of what you said could lead to misconception for people who don't understand the topic, this isn't data 'through a magnet connection,' but rather data via magnetic induction, magnets themselves don't really do much besides have holding power, whereas data would be the inverse of Faraday's law of induction as the classical law is only relevant to a magnet's effect on a metal coil where data would be via inducing a magnetic field by powering the coil. Motorola's Moto Mod on the Moto Z is also glorified cases rather than true modularity; of which modular devices will never be a reality, it never works out in practice. But what is happening is Qi2, and Apple's MagSafe already has cases compatible with MagSafe; the only step further is how you potentially stack things, like if you have a gaming case and a charger, and especially if you involve a data coil, but this could be fixed with a header byte that addresses which device is being talked to, an ID byte similar to how i2c/i3c arranges things, a physical shield between two offset coils, etc. Now where Moto's approach is problematic with the idea of stacking is the fact that it'd be case on case on case rather than a proper pass-through, and I doubt they've optimized the magnet array to have accessory-only devices like how MagSafe otherwise works while Moto has probably optimized the magnet array for a full case, plus Moto's design has an abhorrently inefficient use of pins plus I doubt they've built in overhead for attaching multiple accessories at once; let's also not forget that Qi2, just like Qi, are also a standard that makes accessories device-agnostic, Moto's design is extremely dependent on device design and thus why nobody else has attempted to use it, whereas a circular magnet array with a coil on the inside is fairly universal when it comes to device design. Let's also not forget that putting exposed electrical pads on the back of a device isn't exactly the best idea for either the user nor device, even with 'protections' there's still potential for live pads to be problematic. Also when it comes to this device, I wouldn't be surprised if data is routed to only the internal DAC with no form of hub within the device, thus the charge-only port. Why spend the money on a hub chip when 99% of use cases will never use one. It'd be a nice feature, yes, but companies like this clearly don't care about additional features. This type of design is super common as well, ever seen the abundancy of 'headphone' splitters for both Lightning and Type C, they work in this exact way, power on one side and data on the other with no hub; though up until USB4 a hub would also slightly complicate things due to terrible design. The Junglecat also isn't all that small by comparison. See the upper and lower flanges of the Flex, the bits that connect together when it closes, that's basically the extent of of the height difference. Width doesn't have much difference either, the Flex is only slightly wider due to the marginally wider stagger it has between the sticks and button sets. Where someone might actually complain is with ergonomics, the Flex actually has some amount of handles on them whereas the Junglecat does not. All of these are within the range of being alternatives to JoyCons anyways, if you have a complaint about size there then you'll complain about all of them.
Does it connect to Windows 10 via bluetooth? If so, do the analog sticks register as axes? What is the name of the device in the Windows gamepad property dialog? Thanks!
Is this thing for sale anywhere? I've been trying to get one for like 9months..
Fucking same
Hi VK, can I ask you for your recommendation? I have a 10.5" Ipad Pro, and I'm only interested in playing racing games (RR3 and Grid Autosport), but I want to be able to use external triggers/buttons assigned to brake/accelerator, gearchange, and a few other useful controls, but I'll be steering using the iPad Pro's gyro, so I probably don't need the joysticks and I'm looking for something like the Gamevice X2 lightning version or Gamesir X2 . Unfortunately, the options which are actually available here seem to be low budget and receive bad reviews. My budget is also somewhat limited, and I'm based in Europe. Thank you.
gamevice X2? you mean gamesir right?
@@VKsChannel Sorry, no, I meant the Gamevice Flex or Gamesir X2, although I believe that this controller wasn’t designed to expand to 10.5” - hence my request. Also, aside from my iPad Pro I only have my iphone Xs, but I find the screen too small to use for gaming. If it were possible to mirror to a large display, or even my iPad without the issue of long latency, then I’d use the iphone instead in combination with any of these controllers, but sadly that’s not the case - at least as far as I have been able to discover up till now.
I know this controller is old. But could you do a review for Razer Junglecat? I really love how you do your review.
It's probably not sold anymore so I can't buy it
The Junglecat is probably the best solution for mobile controllers, telescoping ones will always have some amount of flex, and per-device packages get expensive. Which is why a JoyCon-style rail makes things make sense if only the case lineup itself expanded beyond just the few (4 depending on product SKU, possibly 5 depending on region) supported devices, and if cases did expand into many other modes this is where manufacturing savings would be seen as the controller units are universal for all cases and the cases themselves can be made fairly inexpensively rather than having per-device molds for a full controller which circles back into universal split controllers and their downsides.
At least until MagSafe is universal between devices, supposedly Samsung is adopting them for the S24, apparently Google as well, and WPC (Wireless Power Consortium) is implementing the design for Qi2 which will inevitably force everyone's hand into implementing it; of which there's believed to be over 500 manufacturers within the WPC, all of the big ones included. A MagSafe controller accessory could be very interesting; especially if PowerShare is widely adopted, Samsung's wireless power _out_ for secondary devices, which would mean no USB power for a battery-less controller, only thing better would be if data could get shoehorned into this, which would drop the need for BT connections and any amount of wireless latency, NFC-RFID exists but I'm talking about constant bi-directional communication of USB-like data throughput of at least 2.x spec. Just imagine having a backplate with shorter telescopes at both ends, this could become insanely rigid by comparison to typical telescopic controllers, this would be even cooler if MagSave accessories could be stacked in some way similar to how the MagSafe case works as a pass-through, say phone-controller-charger; technically this is already possible but I also don't see anyone making a three-piece controller-backplate-controller set of this style, but it'd work great with a vertical clip (maybe split between the two ends rather than a singular central clip) with light horizontal clamping and depth could be accounted for by using a screw and cam assembly.
The concept of the Flex is interesting but it seems a bit too flimsy. Part of the issue is that you just cannot constrain much of the screen of a phone without items getting in the way, that's why a traditional case with rails works so well, or alternatively a clipped-on backplate with sturdier telescopic controllers, or the MagSafe version of the latter. I also dislike how much plastic waste the Flex creates with its inserts, having a cam with an adjustable screw would work so much better as a depth filler. Another thing about this device specifically that I dislike is the lack of data on the external USB port, so many people have adapted to Type C DACs or headphones, and while the built-in 3.5mm jack might be nice I'm sure the internal DAC isn't of any amount of quality compared to what people likely already have; data passthrough just makes more sense, though I'm not entirely sure how a device would handle two audio output devices in this way, I've never messed with iOS or Android to that depth since it'd be an absolute edge case to have multiple audio out devices like this. Overall, the design of the Flex just seems a bit flimsier than what I'd be comfortable with; IMO there's better way to do everything this unit tries to achieve, and there's better alternatives, potentially with a brighter future for these kinds of controllers.
@@xaytana Holy mother. Can't let this go unread.
Junglecat just seems too small.
MagSafe is proprietary Apple. Ain't no way we see them licencing it to anyone. Data through magnet connection... interesting. I think it'd end up being an NFC-type thing, or they could just... you know... finally do hardware modularity. Moto Mod is like... exactly what you're describing; it has no wireless lag. Totally agree on having stackability.
It might have data. I've seen charging passthroughs work for data, even when it's not stated. Or, if they diverted all of the data to the audio jack, grab a 3.5 to USB C adapter.
@@CarrotsNotCakeIt'd severely help many people to actually look into topics they're about to debate before actually commenting on them, _you included,_ some logical thought and basic understanding of simple words and grammar would also help quite a bit.
I had mentioned the WPC and Qi2 within my comment of MagSafe, a very _important_ detail you glossed over that entirely debunks your own statement on the topic. Guess what, Qi2 is essentially MagSafe, Apple has contributed to it, and the iPhone 15 is supporting it at least at the Qi2-15w standard, Qi2 might as well interchangeable MagSafe, it might as well be Apple-branded Qi2; oh, and it also fixes the issue of 'MagSafe compatible' accessories not throughputting actual MagSafe charging speeds. This also further means that MagSafe accessories will become Qi2 accessories. The only real difference will be the magnet array, WPC is simplifying it to apparently 15 magnets total, but I wouldn't be surprised if Qi2 retains the exact orientation so that compatibility is also retained, especially as Apple is using Qi2 in the iPhone 15 and its accessories, forward-compatibilyt of MagSafe accessories on the iPhone 15 with Qi2 makes sense.
I had also already mentioned NFC. Current implementations of NFC, as an extension of RFID, just won't work due to how it works; to further this, any NFC-based beaming for data transfers between devices is done over bluetooth with NFC being the pairing handshake. It's theoretically possible to pass data via AC induction, but I have no idea how reliable it'd be, I mean inductive position sensors somewhat already work in this way but have some specific IC gates attached to them, rather than determine position it could instead determine binary with redundancy on a much simpler 'coil;' this is also why RFID doesn't work, they're not fully active coils, if anything they just leech power to output a very short string that's read. This is also an area where part of what you said could lead to misconception for people who don't understand the topic, this isn't data 'through a magnet connection,' but rather data via magnetic induction, magnets themselves don't really do much besides have holding power, whereas data would be the inverse of Faraday's law of induction as the classical law is only relevant to a magnet's effect on a metal coil where data would be via inducing a magnetic field by powering the coil.
Motorola's Moto Mod on the Moto Z is also glorified cases rather than true modularity; of which modular devices will never be a reality, it never works out in practice. But what is happening is Qi2, and Apple's MagSafe already has cases compatible with MagSafe; the only step further is how you potentially stack things, like if you have a gaming case and a charger, and especially if you involve a data coil, but this could be fixed with a header byte that addresses which device is being talked to, an ID byte similar to how i2c/i3c arranges things, a physical shield between two offset coils, etc. Now where Moto's approach is problematic with the idea of stacking is the fact that it'd be case on case on case rather than a proper pass-through, and I doubt they've optimized the magnet array to have accessory-only devices like how MagSafe otherwise works while Moto has probably optimized the magnet array for a full case, plus Moto's design has an abhorrently inefficient use of pins plus I doubt they've built in overhead for attaching multiple accessories at once; let's also not forget that Qi2, just like Qi, are also a standard that makes accessories device-agnostic, Moto's design is extremely dependent on device design and thus why nobody else has attempted to use it, whereas a circular magnet array with a coil on the inside is fairly universal when it comes to device design. Let's also not forget that putting exposed electrical pads on the back of a device isn't exactly the best idea for either the user nor device, even with 'protections' there's still potential for live pads to be problematic.
Also when it comes to this device, I wouldn't be surprised if data is routed to only the internal DAC with no form of hub within the device, thus the charge-only port. Why spend the money on a hub chip when 99% of use cases will never use one. It'd be a nice feature, yes, but companies like this clearly don't care about additional features. This type of design is super common as well, ever seen the abundancy of 'headphone' splitters for both Lightning and Type C, they work in this exact way, power on one side and data on the other with no hub; though up until USB4 a hub would also slightly complicate things due to terrible design.
The Junglecat also isn't all that small by comparison. See the upper and lower flanges of the Flex, the bits that connect together when it closes, that's basically the extent of of the height difference. Width doesn't have much difference either, the Flex is only slightly wider due to the marginally wider stagger it has between the sticks and button sets. Where someone might actually complain is with ergonomics, the Flex actually has some amount of handles on them whereas the Junglecat does not. All of these are within the range of being alternatives to JoyCons anyways, if you have a complaint about size there then you'll complain about all of them.
Does it connect to Windows 10 via bluetooth? If so, do the analog sticks register as axes? What is the name of the device in the Windows
gamepad property dialog? Thanks!
How did you got your hands on these? These are out of stock in everywhere.
when they sent me it was still on stock, but they asked to delay the review, read the description for more info
@@VKsChannel gotta get my hands on these as well. I will return my nacon MGX because the triggers are clunky af
@@roijaysonsanchez9694i was just about to buy a nacon until i saw this comment, thanks
Waiting it for the iPhone 15 Pro!!!
Where can i buy this in Australia
yes but wasn’t with my protection unfortunately 😅
Would you consider selling this ?
Is the apex 3 pro any good and the battery Life really 40 hours as they say ? 🤔🙏
Yes the apex 3 battery lasts quite a lot! but It varies with usage and with the trigger settings
Are the abxy button interchangeable like for the gamesir x2 ?
No but if you are using an emulator you can change that in the settings
No remap app included?
Sadly, no
Neat little thing, but too little.
Would this work with iPhone 15 pro max
Yes
Has anybody tried using the android version with the new iPhone 15 pro Max?