Ben Shapiro's RACIST, MORONIC "The Batman" Review Gets Him Massive Backlash
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- Опубликовано: 8 ноя 2024
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Catwoman has been portrayed as a woman of color several times in the past, going all the way back to the 1960s Adam West show, with Eartha Kitt playing her
Seriously though, Eartha Kitt was the epitome of femme fatale on so many levels for the age.
@@stevenwilliams9413 yeah and if Ben shabibo thinks having a POC Catwoman is edgy and woke now, just imagine what it was like back then.
When they find a Catwoman that can lick her own genitals that's when they get my hard earned 💰 😏
In comics and cartoons too
It wasn’t several times. At this point it’s been 3 for live adaptations. Animated I don’t think they’ve been any besides in a comic side story.
Riddle me this, batman:
Why did hollywood reject my obvously perfect scripts?
Fiddle dee diddle, answer my riddle:
Why did they make Catwoman a woman?
@@LimeyLassen Catwoman is a woman!?
@@ararepotato1420 Not to Ben. To him, having a cat-woman instead of cat-man is feminism out of control. Also black people = woke.
CaNcEL CuLtUrE
@@ararepotato1420 Ketanji Brown can't answer what a Catwoman is.
"The film never explains why he beats up criminals." How many more times does he need to say "I am vengeance" for the message to sink in? And then at the end where he says "maybe vengeance isn't a good enough reason". Maybe Ben needs more woke-ness in his films if he isn't awake enough to watch them at all.
Besides every fucking human on the Planet knows Batman origins 🤷♂️
@@Ale-dd3ek lol. indeed
Vengeance not being enough if a reason is why this is my favorite Batman movie, this is the best superhero movie in a long time cause well it's hopeful and not bleak or depressing or not trying to set up 15 million other things to be in like 26 other movies and 45 tv shows before finally ending that part only to set more stuff up and do 50 more movies to explain like one plotline
@@Ale-dd3ek Nobody used that logic for Batman in Batman vs Superman 🙄
@@kamenrideraquarius
The Batman Is still an origin movie
Batman vs Superman Isn't
If Ben is upset at the movie, wait till he reads the comics. He’s gonna have heart attack if he sees how the comics portray wealthy people that aren’t superheroes.
Yeah isn't Lex Luthor's whole deal being a particularly conniving and morally bankrupt rich prick?
And how the comics ask you if Batman is maybe a crazy guy who is just beating the shit out of people because he hasn't found a good therapist and can't handle his own trauma and saying he's being a protector and hero is just his subconscious justification for it after the fact
@@Pragabond but Bruce does multiple foundations to help the city
while that bat is just punching clowns at 3 am
"Wait, Lex Luthor ISN'T the good guy!?"
Imagine what he'll think of Bruce's character in Batman year one.
"has black woman in role and black detective"= woke. That was one of the most frank miller esque batman movies ever too.
Yeah woke is just their dog whistle for diversity
More like "Black person simply appears in a movie and isn't stereotyped" = woke..
@@the-unknown-1 "black woman is not in position I want her to be😡" = woke
@@the-unknown-1 So I guess Seven is a really woke movie to then huh??? LOL
*black people just existing in any media*
WHY IS EVERYTHING SO POLITICAL!?
Even if you disagree with Catwoman’s worldview (the white privilege line) it makes total sense that somebody of her age, in her situation, would say something like that. That’s not wokeness, that’s good writing.
Ben Shapiro doesn’t think characters should have their own distinct worldviews
Thank you!
I’m not American so the “white privilege” line to me was more “US style politics” to me.
But in saying that, I do buy that it’s a totally realistic viewpoint that the character would organically have in real life. So it made sense. Also it’s like one line, I barely even noticed it until Ben even brought it up lol
The thing is, shes poor and of color. Why wouldn't she assume that in a city where all the rich and corrupt people in mobs and politics are white have some sort of insider group of privilege? Like how New York was when the actual mob was there? Every non-white poor person can see who is in power making the rules against their situation. The people that hate poor people the most usually are rich white conservatives that only care about other rich white conservatives. Poor white people canusually see the differnce between themselves and rich privleged white people or racists at the top. Rich ones do not. Ben Shapiro grew up very privileged and is not visibly of color, so why would he assume any antagonism exists against himself from the white capitalists he worships? Thats why it bothers him.
Thats forced dog shit
Ben Shapiro should have been the riddler lol
This version is my favourite Jim Gordon. Jim isn't a super cop with huge muscles and 10000 IQ. He's a tired, alienated and exhausted cop who can't do his job right because of the corruption in the GCPD and sees Batman as his only real bestie with whom he can fight crime.
I wonder what Benny would say about Alex Proyas' "The Crow"...
Actually, I'm pretty sure about what he'd say.
@@chucku00 "something something look at this emo trash something something
Which tells you just how corrupt and screwed up Gotham actually is, that the honest cop has to resort to partnering with an extra-legal vigilante to find another honest crime fighter.
@@sluttyMapleSyrup I was thinking about the cop in The Crow (full trigger package for Benny), but you're right tho.
@@scottgrohs5940 Exactly
Dude, when I heard Catwoman say the word ”white guy”, I knew Ben was gonna start crying little baby tears.
Yes, because that is how much predictable he is, but frankly complaining about this in 3h movie is really low hanging fruit
On god, as soon as I heard that line I was like “oof rip this movie’s rotten tomatoes audience score,” as if it wasn’t perfectly understandable why Catwoman would develop that philosophy as an impoverished black woman living in modern america orphaned by basically the king of all rich white dudes. Thankfully most folks aren’t as silly reactionary as I thought they would be, but ofc for bean sharp you never really can set the bar too low
@@akorn9943 Funnily enough I’ve even seen “anti-woke” reviewers highlight that line as being perfectly understandable given the character that Catwoman is portraying. Ben is being hysterical even by their standards.
@@mrgaudy1954 That’s a special kind of fail right there. Almost impressive lmao!
@@someonerandom8552 Well, he did fail at his selling his political philosophy (whatever it actually is) to a bunch of little kids...and he recorded his fail. We kind of already knew that his fails would have at least a chance at being that special kind of fail.
"Catwoman is a black woman who is good. Batman is a bad white guy."
Am I the only one who feels like a large part of the problem is Ben's inability to accept shades of grey in a setting wherein the morality of the characters is like damascus steel?
Exactly. Catwoman's character has always been an anti-hero AT BEST. She was never presented as some paradym of heroism, whose every word should be taken as scripture- rather she should be taken more as a product of Gotham's cruel and corrupt system.
Perfectly said, it’s the thing that makes them so appealing together.
I mean, he really wasn't wrong about that. We could have cut her part out of the movie, too, and slimmed the movie down to an hour forty.
As if he’d be happy if Batman and catwoman were both black people
@@mantisbog man, catwoman and batman are iconic together. They’re a well-liked combo and that’s gonna bring in more viewers for this film. Catwoman isn’t seen as a hero btw lmao
It will never not be funny to me that in Ben Shapiro's heart he yearns to let his inner theater kid out and be a glitzy Hollywood movie commentator but he's been railroaded into being a tedious conservative reactionary so he's just contriving reasons to talk about movies but has to always do it through the lens of a Koch-approved conservative script.
If it were anyone else it would be deeply sad, but he's such a hateful little imp it just ends up very amusing.
If you read his fiction books they're just as racist as he is, with a dash of homo-eroticism that comes across as hilarious given who is writing it. I don't think he needs the Koch or Willks brothers to be a hateful gremlin.
I like the way you write, your sentences flow very smoothly
@@KOGOSTOMUS read the comment in Ben Shapiro’s voice and it’s comedy gold
@@matthewgagnon9426 luckily, only one Koch brother remains
@@KOGOSTOMUS yah same, very pleasant read
Lmao, Ben talking about them not understanding Batman shows that he’s the one who doesn’t get the character. This is easily the most comic accurate live action adaptation of Batman.
Ben doesnt understand anything whatsoever about character arcs and good writing. He couldnt write or even tell apart good screenplay if his life depended on it. I mean just look at the movies hes produced: run hide fight, an absolute joke of a film that we all laughed at then completely forgot about. But his novel true allegiance is the real dumpster fire laughing stock lmfao. That book alone takes away any sort of "credibility" ben may have had when it comes to critiquing movies, shows, stories etc. It makes bens opinion so incredibly invalid that when he said this movie was bad my expectations actually went UP, and sure enough i was right. This movie was absolutely incredible and its my fav live action batman to date
@@thechuube8442 Omg his book is so bad. Even folks who don’t really know that much about Bin Shabibo tore it to pieces lmao!
I adored this film. Very comic accurate and we finally got an actual detective story.
A lot of the reviewers who are comic nerds (and thus tend to gravitate towards anti-woke) have praised this is being the most faithful live action Batman adaption so saying it “doesn’t understand Batman” and “is woke” is hilariously off the mark.
Wait so the comics do some introspection with bat man?
@@mrgaudy1954 comic nerds aren’t anti-woke. There’s a segment of the community that is, but there’s a good number who aren’t. The bigoted crowd has been complaining about “comics being too woke” for years, and a lot of the conservative creators rage quit mainstream comics.
Yes, Jeffrey Wright was a great Jim Gordon. He had a ton to do, and is almost constantly working alongside Batman. He covers for him, he gives him access to crime scenes, he basically acts as his partner throughout the whole movie. He's world weary, but he's committed. He's the Gordon I grew up with, reading the comics.
Except Gordon was never Batman's partner. He was in this movie way too much. He's essentially Robin in the film. Wright was great in the movie though. He always is.
Actually, Gordon being a pseudo Robin was the point. The actually Robin character was created primarily to act as a sounding board for Batman. The writers realized he needed someone to actually talk to, otherwise it was just all narration and thought bubbles. And that’s the role Gordon played in the movie: Batman needed someone to talk to, especially in a detective focused story line where clues need to be processed.
honestly one of the best if not THE best. Gordon in the other movies just lights the bat signal and thats about it lol
Well Gordon has been police commissioner since 1939. He did a great job ... but nobody really grew up with a Gordon in the comics that was a street detective. But he did a good job. It was a different take from the comics because we rarely saw Gordon do actual detective work. Mostly because he was the police commissioner.
Really? Last time I checked Gordon's white and has ginger hair. I don't recall him ever looking like Lucius Fox.
Gotham was historically a nickname for New York City. The reason why it isn't used anymore is because of the success of the Batman comics so ingrained the idea of Gotham being this fictional city that it was no longer used as such. Names like the Big Apple took precedent and all that jazz.
Gotham is more badass than big apple.
I thought Gotham was somewhat based on Atlantic city NJ too but not positive about that
I know that, but TAS aesthetic just ingrained a Chicago vibe in me that’s associated with Gotham City now. Plus it’s weird that both Gotham & Metropolis are NYC. I assume that’s where Vaush is coming from too, but he clearly didn’t know about Gotham being another name for NYC
That’s actually dope, I never knew that
one of the reasons i like marvel slightly better is that they use real locations.
As soon as I heard that “privileged, white men” phrase from Zoe Kravitz, I knew conservatives would have a meltdown about wokeness.
how to give conservatives a heart attack just say "privileged white man"
I thought that line was cringe and ham-fisted while watching the movie and that it would have been better if it wasn't in the movie.
But then I realised how much it would trigger conservative snowflakes. I just pictured Benny boy seething in the cinema and knew that keeping it was the right call.
@Lil Spicy : I agree, it was stupid. I don’t care if it triggers people, I just think this privileged precedent based on skin color is toxic af
@@birdgirl1516 it's objectively, probably true, though. recently a white lady only got 2 years in jail for accidentally killing a black man, but there's MILLIONS of records of black men getting 4-8 years for possessing weed...that's just one example of a possible hundreds of thousand
@@zzeroara9511 I prefer to use the term minority disadvantage rather than calling people privileged
In Liberia white people cannot get citizenship does that mean black people are privileged? No because there is systemic racism in the US and China targeting black people
The mayor is "an uplifting black woman with no other backstory" lol I'd LOVE to see Ben Shapiro talk about every single white mayor in any movie or tv show that isn't given a backstory and wonder if there is an agenda being pushed over it lol
Also not every character needs a lord of the rings trilogy length backstory to be in a movie or show. The mayor character served the purpose she needed to serve, a backstory wasn't needed.
imma be honest, Ben Shapiro and his people can only see skin color
I've said it
Why would he do that if he's talking about the movie and not 30 other movies
@@bigt100 keep defending him he'll be sooo thankful
@@MRF-bq7kq ohk i guess u don't wanna answer the question I'm just sayin I'm black and watch Ben that man is clearly not racist but besides that I was really asking that question seriously but ok I guess I am defending him
It feels like a coming of age Batman movie. He basically learns to stop being an edgelord and start feeling positive about being a hero and helping people.
I’ve really never liked the term edgelord though. It can be applied to almost any idea if you ask the right person.
@@shadyd2544 I disagree but I'm not gonna fight you over it
@@shadyd2544 edgelord= emo. If I was wearing bright colors with flowers braided in my hair, smiling and spreading positivity, and someone called me an edgelord, they would clearly be wrong
@@arogueburrito Oh so it's just the new word for emo or goth? Lol that's never been a very significant portion of the population especially when you take teenagers out of it.
@F.W. The purpose is to tell a story. Batman has been portrayed differently in countless comics. The way he acts in this movie isn't even that out there. Catwoman has always been a rebellious, seductive woman while Batman is more quiet and stoic. As a fan of Batman I like this flick a lot and I genuinely don't see anything 'woke' about it other than one line about rich white men.
Honestly, that type of writing is basically perfunctory now so I can't believe people are still offended to see it.
Man, just wait until benny finds out that Catwoman was once played by Eartha Kitt and Harvey Dent was once played by Billy Dee Williams.
He wouldn't know that. You'd have to be an actual Batman fan to know those things. Shabibo is just a reactionary coasting of the "woke agenda" outrage.
@@saininj most of these reactionary type of people who claim to be fans are actually fake fans and yes I am gatekeeping here. Remember when that nerd try to call out Natalie Portman for wearing a Star Wars t-shirt asking her what she knew about Star Wars? Reactionaries got mad when Iceman came out as if for almost fifty years people just make gay jokes about him and it's not like the only woman he dated was Rogue you know the perfect person for a closeted gay man to use as their beard because you physically can't touch Rogue.
Exactly!
Did her character talk about privileged white men? I don't really care but do you think Ben Shapiro hates minorities more than your average career politician?
@@curses6166 yes, i do think that.
So... pretty much Ben Shapiro doesn't like it when the protagonist has moral failings and an actual character arc
Bale’s charisma was mostly just Bruce putting on a front. He really only ever socializes because in Batman Begins Alfred points out to him how suspicious he’ll seem if he’s a loner with constant strange injuries
Exactly! EVERYONE in Gotham would know that Patterson’s Bruce Wayne is batman, like how could no one understand that the edgelord that always acts like Batman might actually BE Batman.
I agree. In this film it’s a younger Batman so I think the edgy Bruce works. If there are sequels he should slowly learn the charisma bit.
@@Math4All_44 i hope each sequel takes place at least 2 years after the last, and in scenes they can mention more and more instances of bruce being charitable
Honestly I guess the issue on that front is that hes pretty flawless in his charisma. In the movie, Bruce starts as a shut in, hangs out with some ninjas in Tibet, yet is able to effortlessly be charming and charismatic. I feel there needs to be a stepping stone where he learns to adjust to being Bruce Wayne billionaire in public first
@@MrRushhour4 i think the idea is that he'd been putting on a front for years even before he became batman
Whiny failed Hollywood script writer. Only wants to see black characters in movies playing only in certain stereotypical roles. Sidekick, stumbling bumbling comic relief, the villain or he's feminine. But he most certainly can never be The Ladies Man. And for people like him everything is woke if the white guy isn't the center of attention at all times.
I would pay money to read ben's rejected movie scrpits. I wanna see why they were rejected. I it's like """oh oh ohhhhhhhh yeah i get it now"
@@geoworld8740 I mean, have you seen his fiction books? I'd bet anything his scripts were just _really_ racist, lmao
Lol Buffalo soldier nice to see you here
@@theguildhall3246 Obama exists, ben "oh yes i see an opening now"
Which makes this even funnier considering the only prominent black character in The Batman is (kind of) Batman’s sidekick and the other non-white major character (not sure if she’s black or something else) isn’t a Ladies Man but an actual lady, man. Ben is just never happy.
“Every white character was bad.”
I mean, Batman was black for 70% of the film, so, I guess I can’t blame the confusion.
Also, like every character is bad because it's fucking Gotham and it's a super corrupt city
That makes me wonder how the movie would have fared in total black-and-white, to go further with the film noir aesthetic. Maybe it'll be on the BluRay?
And wasn’t Falcone black? That sort of makes his argument fall apart.
@@WolfStreak No? He was slightly darker skinned than your average Caucasian person but definitely not black
@@alexanderm.635 Oh that’s right. He’s Italian. My bad.
Ben Shapiro’s review of the Batman really sounds like someone searching for an argument that’s not there. Nitpicking race and the deconstruction of the Batman character shows that he really was looking at this film through an extremely narrowminded lens.
Narrow lenses are how conservatives view everything.
@@geoworld8740 Yup, they have a very black and white world view, anything that steps out of the black and white box to explore the color of the world is something to be hated by conservatives who feel comfortable and safe in their box.
These vlog-y type conservative commentators (Shapiro, The Quartering, Geeks and Gamers etc.) almost never tell you their sincere opinions - their audience is only listening to have their right wing views validated. They just guess what the general mood will be in far-right cultural circles and use debatelord logic to rationalise backwards from there. I guarantee you that Shapiro heard the reference to white privilege, assumed conservative audiences would hate the movie for that reason and the rest of his 'review' is just guff to create the illusion that he evaluated the movie honestly.
Existing as Ben Shapiro seems exhausting.
The movie is even pro-charity and pro-cop and that's not enough
I can't believe the got the real Joker to review The Batman
the real joker would knock this fool’s building off 🤝
He's more like scarface. A puppet with his donor's hand shoved up his ass making his gums flap
"It's simple, we whine about The Batman (2022)."
“Let’s say, hypothetically, that we live in a society…”
This "joker" Shapiro is like that clown thug in The Batman. A scared little boy just going along with powerful personalities and talking points to make himself feel strong.
Ben Shapiro: "Where does it say that Catwoman has to be a woman?"
Everyone: "In the name"
Did he say that? it's hard to tell nobody on the internet into politics understands what quotation marks are for. But if he did say that I would guess he was making a joke about gender identities of some kind. So those on the left might be offended by your statement I am guessing.
He really say that?
@@ianmcfadden2794 nahh, they’re just poking fun at Bens pointless points
@@ianmcfadden2794
He said something like that in regards to a debate about the Boy Scouts of America.
What is a woman?
Ben’s revenge for not becoming a professional scriptwriter was to curse us with cringe
PLEASE I COMPLETELY FORGOT- you know he wanted that Batman role too
@@killjoy5551 he could be Joker's henchman Gaggy in the sequel.
@@michaeldiekmann6494 Gaggy Shabido
Daily wire literally makes movies tho how do you fucking figure
Making your own movies doesn’t really count. It just means you have enough money to artificially fulfill your ambitions when in reality not even PureFlix will accept him…. Probably because he’s a Jew but atill.
Ben Shapiro: "The movie never explains why Batman is doing what he's doing"
Jesus, you need batman to put a post-it note on his back saying, "Hey Ben, I'm going after criminals because of my own family trauma and need for revenge"
People have been complaining for decades that literally every Batman movie includes his origin story and the second the studios are finally convinced that everyone got it...Ben strikes!
Lol even my 7 year old nephew knows Batman’s origin story by heart.
Like I wouldn’t be surprised if folks only know Batman’s origins through sheer cultural osmosis by this point.
@@someonerandom8552 As someone who's never watched a single DC-movie, let alone any batman movie or tv show. Yes, I know his backstory and I don't even know how, lmao.
I hope it's a trend that continues with other well-known hero origin stories. Getting really tired of seeing all these relatives and love interests getting the big nap
tbh I don't actually like that reading of Batman, and I feel like Ben has half a point there.
I feel like the trauma obviously is his motivation, but the real reason is the corruption in Gotham and organised crime being so bad.
That's also why the "why doesn't Bruce Wayne just do charity" is so fucking cringe. If you put money into a corrupt system, it ends up being funneled into that corruption, not to the people who actually need it. The pro-charity argument is peak free market libertarian bullshit.
Like Batman is basically doing antifa-style direct action against an oppressive system, and so many leftists ignore that to just claim he's being problematic.
That's also LITERALLY A POINT THE MOVIE MAKES, btw - his "vengeance" shtick isn't enough, he needs to inspire hope. They just don't go far enough with it because they're libs and want to push the charity bs.
And apparently, Ben missed that The Dark Knight Rises was all about every mistake Batman made in the previous films, coming back to haunt him. The 'peace built on a lie' theme just wooshed him, I guess? If he actually understood Batman comics, he'd understand that Batman makes mistakes, sometimes big ones, and tries to learn from them. Nolan got that, Reeves gets it, Ben is...he's cinematically illiterate, isn't he?
No you see, Bane was like Antifa trying to tear down the system and build the Gotham autonomous zone. And just like Antifa his true motivation was mass death in the name of a foreign terrorist organization!
It's only thanks to Batman and the entire Gotham police department beating the shit out of people in the street that crisis was averted! It's Ben's political ideology in action!
The concept of learning from one's mistakes is evidently alien to someone like Ben.
I don't know if being media illiterate makes you conservative or the other way around, but it seems highly corrolated.
"go woke go broke"
movie makes a quadrillion dollars
Money prints itself nowadays out of thin air 🎈
But the point was how ppl spend it
@@ryanruiz9958 no....im pretty sure that wasn't the meaning, considering that the phrase is always used towards movies that they think are "woke" that end up making less money than expected
So…go woke get money 💵
@@LadyPinkster depends on what it is actually
Dune: *talks about colonialism is bad and provide a criticism of white saviors*
Ben Shapiro: best sci-fi movie
The Batman: *cat woman says a line about privilege rich people and never talks about it again*
Ben Shapiro: *REEEEEEE*
He also loved Bladerunner 2049 despite it’s heavy and obvious themes on climate change.
Either Ben was trying to build nerd cred or he has the attention span of a hummingbird.
Isn't the difference just whether or not the message is blatent enough not to fly over his head?
@@dynamicworlds1 not really that hard given how short he is
I see two main possibilities. One is that Ben's understanding of writing is so bad that he doesn't get these messages unless they're explicitly in a spoken line. The other is that he knows his audience is too stupid to pick up on it, and doesn't want them to realize that a thing they liked and agreed with was making a "leftist" argument.
Paul Muad'dib: Ima do a jihad now.
Ben: Wait. That's illegal.
“It’s never explained why Batman is Batman” literally DECADES of comics, cartoons, and movies. It’s called not being boring. Everyone knows the story of Batman. There’s no need to resay it every new iteration
Exactly. The film confidently (and correctly) relied on the fact that, by now, we ALL know who Batman is. They didn’t bore/insult us with another flashback of the night his parents were killed. We know who Bruce Wayne is and we know why he does what he does.
@@WolfStreak I generally agree but you still have to acknowledge the origin at some point so the audience understands how we got here, you shouldn't need to know anything from other media before watching a movie. It is like making a one piece movie or show and starting at the new world because "everyone knows the origin story of the straw hats anyway". That's not how screenplays work.
EDIT: I haven't seen the movie I am going only from the info I got on this video, so if they do in fact acknowledge it in dialogue at some point in the movie then I am wrong.
@@AionShanks Yes, you are so very wrong . They do acknowledge it in the movie. It’s extremely clear that it’s his motivation for being Batman without spoon feeding it to us with a flashback or retelling. In fact, his parents death plays a huge role in the plot and is pivotal for his character arc in the movie as he learns more about them.
@@WolfStreak If they do then it's cool.
This is so telling that bens problem with batman is that he wanted to inspired hope not fear
"""Libertarian"""
Authoritarian moment.
The way he sounds so antagonistic about the CONCEPT of just helping people in trouble is so fucking funny, dude’s such a little sociopath
Omg. Best comment.
It's especially wild because Batman doesn't *stop* fighting crime, he just develops a better understanding of the situation by learning more about the political corruption and crime bosses at the heart of the city. By the end of the movie, Batman is a better crime fighter than he was at the beginning.
It's almost as if Ben is mad that Batman started targeting white collar criminals instead of random punks on the subway. . . .
It's so odd that Ben can't understand the subtle stuff about how Bruce Wayne is played in this movie. This is supposed to be a younger version of the character who doesn't have it figured out yet. He's poured so much into being Batman that he doesn't know how to act in front of other people. You see it during the mayor's funeral, he's like a detached weirdo. And the new mayoral candidate calls him out on it. The Riddler sees it too and thinks "hey he's just like me".
He's not even correct about the comics. In Batman Year One Bruce Wayne is very similar to this portrayal. In fact, there are plenty of origin story Bruce Waynes that are completely insociable. It's only when he reaches his 30s that he's comfortable having a double life.
Or even the first day time scene where Bruce can't even stand in a sunlit room without dark sunglasses. He also missed that just throwing money at the problem just created bigger problems as Thomas Wayne's Renewal Fund just became a slush fund for the corrupt elite. Also, that fucking mental illness runs in Bruce's family for fucks sake.
The animated Bruce in public was a charming gentleman. In a Superman crossover he charmed Lois Lane and in Justice League when Wonder Woman didn't know he's identity, he danced in public with her, suit, tie & smiles.
True but this in both situations an older Batman that has worked alone had two Robins and a Batgirl.
DCAU Bruce at no point is shown figuring out the persona.
A B. I remember the Batman vs. Superman animation where they tiffed over Lois. I’m not a comics person but I watched that one with my kiddo!!! They were Chad’in’ it out!!!
"the more I thought about it, the angrier I became" LIKE BATMAN, THATS BATMAN'S ORIGIN STORY. WE'RE GETTING BENMAN.
I love how conservatives obsess over criticizing art and artistic contribution when their side is almost completely devoid of creativity and incapable of contributing impactful art at all.
FAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCTTTTTTTTTTTTSSSSSSSSSSSS
now that you mention it...what have they done that's beautiful? what have they ever created that isn't disgustingly bigoted or borderline cringe?
@@zzeroara9511 *cricket noises*
Critique is easy for those who can’t do
@@zzeroara9511 Classical music was their last big hurrah. Not even joking. Hemingway was pretty talented. A few authors here and there but art as a whole is always made by those willing to look at things differently. They want everything to stay the same. Go figure their art is cringe as fuck.
"Wokeness is when black people are good" Literally Ben Shapiro
More like "Wokeness is when black people aren't bad"
And, Coincidentally, also Nazis
Where was the good acting
@@HonkeyKong54 Jeffrey Wright
@@justified_wrath_21 who?
My sister is really big into Batman comics and after we watched the film in theatres I asked the same question: Wasn't he more suave and philanthropic? She said eventually, but this was closer to the comics Batman and how he is supposed to be. Brooding. Quiet. Uncomfortable. That eventually his character, as Bruce Wayne, becomes more involved in the city. So maybe in the future that will be a character development. She was very impressed with how accurately they wrote his characters. So Ben (and I initially) have it wrong if we're comparing the Pattinson version to Nolan's Bale.
The reactionary right: "tHeY mAdE cAtWoMaN bLaCk"
Eartha Kitt: "Am I a joke to you?"
There's 3 black Catwomen now.
I think that's a testament to how bad Halle Berry's Catwoman movie was. Not her fault, of course, poor Halle. She's probably prefer that movie stay forgotten too.
Edited for name spelling correction.
@@nperegri The video game was fun tho
As stupid as the Catwoman movie was it might not have been so bas if not for that costume. What the hell were they thinking? It makes Reb Brown’s Captain America look dignified.
@@nperegri Halle actually accepted a razzie that year right after getting an Oscar for another movie.
Ben saying that batman ISN'T trying to be a symbol of fear for criminals is so dumb. The opening 10 minutes is just a montage of different criminals doing crime, seeing the bat symbol in the sky, and then running away in fear. Literally a symbol striking fear into criminals. I know ben is a smart guy (pushing bad ideas) but i honestly think he's media illiterate. His takes on movies are so bad.
His takes on anything are bad really. You gotta admire how he tries to have any point on every kind of topic and still manages to fail in every single one, it being politics, cinema, music, science, etc. It's like the king midas of bad takes, whatever topic he touches he ends up making a horrible take.
I honestly don't even think he's that smart, most of clips online are just him talking over people...
His takes on music genres that don't align with his preference are arguably worse.
Not intelligent whatsoever
@@theultimatetempest1918 he literally said the words "rap isn't music" because
'there's too much percussion and not enough melody, which I hate, so therefore it is not music'
Ben Shapiro is a Capcom protagonist:
-Straightforward, neutral appearance
-Straightforward interpretation on masculinity
-Doesn't know what sex is
I'm pretty sure Asura knows what sex is. You're right about everyone else
Oh God
Dante's deadbeat too eh? 🤣
Typical mainstream weeb
Do you reckon that "hajewken" is anti-semitic or is it fair game
Frank West doesn't fit those last two.
" The biggest problem with the film is not the wokeness... yes you have Catwoman who is of a woman of color" - Nobody tell him about the 1960's TV show or he'll totally lose whats left of his mind.
Ben is literally angry that Batman has a character arc
"Wait, beating up the poor DOESN'T solve social problems!? That can't be right!"
what arc? lmao. Robert Patterson basically played Edward from Twilight. And you idiots lapped it up.
@MrFreak9.1.1 you probably didn't understood nothing from the movie
@MrFreak9.1.1 you clearly didn’t watch the movie
@MrFreak9.1.1 I puted a sentence together but you really don't know a thing about the movie
“And every white character is bad”
A few of those thugs with the makeup: *am I a joke to you*
Batman is literally carrying a torch. HE IS A GUIDING LIGHT FOR GOTHAM. And Ben still can’t understand that. It literally slaps you in the face with how obvious the symbolism and message is and all Ben can spew out is, “this movie is about defunding then police”😭
Gotta love the tacit condemnation of “building houses for the homeless”.
Also gotta love how Ben’s explicit view of “fighting crime” is literally fist fighting thugs on the subway. Fist fighting that doesn’t even prevent them from doing it again, just halfway stops the immediate act.
Great point was given batman never helped the guy after the Batman. His action is him showing off to others im doing something. But but really helping the real people
As a musician myself who hasn’t listened to the new soundtrack yet, all I can tell you is that when Ben said the theme was “inverted,” and then demonstrated it by singing, he didn’t invert the melody, he sang 2 different notes going the opposite melodic direction. Facts don’t care about your feelings. Ben Shapiro is a GARBAGE musician.
...yes, ben. acting in a crisis to save lives with your professionally honed skills and equipment, is, in fact, being a hero.
I really liked seeing batman on the field, pulling ppl out of rubble n shit. that's cool! that's making a real impact in people's lives!
Ben prefers his heroes to display strength above humility and compassion.
Maybe Ben needs to watch My Hero Academia in which this very point is spelled out in classic anime explicitness
@@captainzork6109 He would hate it even more.
While the Madison Square Garden climax did feel tacked on, I do like the imagery of Batman as a literal beacon of hope.
Pretty sure even that would be too deep for Ben.
Ben's shitty book has all of the black characters as evil and everyone else as good and he is complaining about the race of characters in this movie, lol.
I think you just described any H.P Lovecraft book or atleast the early ones.
@@jasonkluge8669 The difference is that Lovecraft was racist AND ALSO talented.
HONESTLY, this is the man who had the police shooting in his book be secretly staged by the poor black people and activists of the city because GOD FORBID A SINGLE WHITE POLICE OFFICER SO SOMETHING WRONG, a man who wrote every single non white person to be a villain except for a rich latina DOMESTIC TERRORIST fighting the Obama stand-in president and the main character’s mentioned-only single black friend who escaped being bullied by literally break dancing or some shit, and he wants to complain about how race is used in media
@@akorn9943 hahahaha what’s the name of this book?
@@SirSmilingPhantom
"True Allegiance" is the name. The podcast "Behind the Bastards" did a like 5 part series of just reading the thing.
It's a horribly deranged work of insanity that doubles as an unintentional comedy. Ben doesn't know how to structure sentences though.
I love how they've managed to use "woke" as a bad thing. To the point they find you insulting if you aren't belligerently, offensively, even dangerously ignorant.
The "privileged, white men" line makes sense coming from a black woman that has have a hard life. Even if you don't like the concept of privilege it's reasonable that such concept makes sense to her.
And with a cursory view, it's also quite literally been rich white guys pulling the strings of Gotham for years. It doesn't have to be social commentary, just a point of fact.
@@Montesama314 Wait until they do the Court of Owls for the third movie, Ben will have a heart attack
i just really wish i had some of that "white privilege". Im white as snow but aint had shit handed to me, and nothin be easy. Thats bs. Its all money and who you know lmao. Not the color of your skin. Also talent, you can be green and still become wealthy if you got skill. This race shit is old, its bs, your life is what you make of it. Only one holding you back is yourself.
The concept is obviously incorrect by the dichotomy she has chosen to use for her parameters, ie Black and white races. If she is talking about her individual life how can she then interpret that has anything to do with a whole continent of people who she prejudices as being homogenous in privilege, not least in a place where there are clearly poor under privileged "white" people that surround her. It seems like she has stepped past her pay grade of thinking and should just stick to kicking people and beating up bad guys.
why would you describe criminals as privileged white men when all the privilege they have is the outcome of their criminality? isn't the reason they get their way because of all the bad things they do or could do to people that get in their way?
Ben's just upset because Robert Pattinson in leather, and later shirtless and in skintight pants made his wife feel things that Ben never could.
Made him * feel things his wife never could
Evidence?
@@bengence_688 don't you know? It's on her Facebook.
@@petezipardi4022 what's her id
@@dazzabo5315 The quintessential moist-boy, that Ben.
I really don't understand how Shapiro's takeaway from this is that the message of Batman's character arc is: "Batman shouldn't fight criminals." He saves the day at the end by fighting criminals. In his ending monologue he explicitly says "Criminals will be using the chaos to profit, and I have to stop them." He's literally having a hissyfit because Batman solved a single problem without violence (even though he beat up a bunch of guys to solve that problem).
Mostly because he is looking at the film through political eyes because that is what he does. You will not really see a review of this sort unless it is also from someone that looks through the political lens first.
@@ronpetersen2317 You can look at a film through a political lens without completely misunderstanding the film's message. To understand subtext, you have to pay attention to the text.
as a music person, i take huge issue with him saying giacchino's score is derivative of previous batman themes when the main theme sounds so much like chopin's funeral march that i'd be surprised if that wasn't the intent behind it, which in its own way is extremely clever composing
EXACTLY
I'll take Giacchino over Zimmer any day.
Don't get me wrong I like the battlefield/Terminator sound of Zimmer's but I just like classical orchestral sounds better
No I'm not biased towards Italians
@@OIKJJGNGGS I a 100 % agree
It do be sounding like Funeral March after relistening to both
What do you expect from a guy that says rap isn't music
Ben missed every single undertone of the movie. Literally missed them all
I know. Even the monologues didn’t get through his skull. He literally wanted Batman to turn to the camera at the end of the movie and say: “Ok, so here is what I learned…”
@@WolfStreak Literally gonna outright spell it out at the end of the movie like a 80's/90's cartoon when they wanted cartoons to be more educational. (I forget when it happened, I just remember The Animaniacs poked fun)
I like how he goes "All the good guys were black", if you thought Catwoman was a good guy, you didn't watch the movie
From what I’ve seen even “anti-woke” reviewers responded favourably to The Batman and on some occasions even outright stated that criticism of it as “woke” would be off the mark. So Ben hasn’t even read his own room correctly.
Thats what I’ve been thinking, I’ve literally seen no one call the movie woke except for a couple Reddit nerds.
Just the fact they made gordon black when hes a white character is woke. They dont have to say anything woke. Changing a characters race is being woke.
@@germ4613 They already did that in the Tim Burton Batman films with Harvey Dent and nobody seemed to care. I don’t really see how Gordon’s race impacts the character. As long as he’s a gruff, disenfranchised but honest cop it’s a solid casting. There are plenty of black cops in NYC etc. so I’d like to hear a reason *not* to allow a black actor to offer their take on him. Race swapping Bruce Wayne (who’s old money aristocratic status is a key component to his character) would be jarring but Gordon? Pull the other one.
@@germ4613 a black Gordon makes far more sense anyway.
@@joshk2533 even without talking about any woke. The movies all eras of batman have been boring. Did I say batman couldnt be good no I didnt. They need to stop with this boring slow paced crap. Also they need to go with much much darker themes. Have they not learned anything. The Arkham triology is better then the new batman, the dark knight movies, and the 89 and 90s movies all put together. The Arkham games is what batman should be like. Every single time they make a movie they go soft. They go slow paced and boring.
Ben’s pathetic criticism of the Batman’s score is sonically challenged. The score is reminiscent of Darth Vader’s tune, not Zimmer’s Dark Knight stuff.
The rhythm of the main theme also gave me vibes of the repeating theme of the classic 1960s Batman mixed with the texture of the Burton's Batman.
@@grandsome1 it gave me some vibes from Shirley Walker’s theme from the 90s animated series
I don't know much about Batman, but apparently I understand it better than Ben when I realize that the fact that Batman has always been morally ambiguous has always been the point.
Wasn't Joker a very "woke" movie that conservatives used as a personality trait? Judging on that I'm going to assume that The Batman wasn't actually very "woke" at all.
They thought it was a conservative movie when in reality it talked about the class struggle of a poor and very mentally ill man, who can't escape poverty because of the corrupt billionaire elite, and ends up committing awful acts due to a lack of resources or help. That is much more liberal than conservative so yeah you're right, they're just too stupid to realize it
Conservatives are believes Joker is right movie because the main protagonist is white dude with complicated mental and housing issues
@@youknowwhoiam6057 Who can make himself even whiter with clown makeup.
@@theoldhermit2601 god I wanna watch that movie again it was so good imo
Yeah, Joker was imo about how society treats people with mental illness / neurodivergents. At least I could identify with it in that way
"Batman is woke because the black characters aren't bad"
-Ben Shapiro
Wow quoting someone without using an actual quote and still using quotation marks as if he specifically said that. If you don’t like someone actually site them and create an argument against them. Calling him racist doesn’t prove a point
@@chandlercarr4527 It's a paraphrase, not a quote. Learn English before attempting to critique English.
Anyways... Ben Shapiro claims he's very angry because Batman is woke, and his literal first examples are... "Here's a black character who's a good guy, here's another black character who's a good guy", implying that he would prefer if they were bad.
Also... Ben Shapiro provides another example of "woke" Batman, and it's the fact that "Cat Woman is a Woman of Colour", which is odd wording since he obviously thinks Cat Woman should be a woman, thus revealing that his only issue with Cat Woman is that she's black.
@@canadagoose8543 I think he has a valid point here, though. Not a single white character in the movie is good natured besides Batman and Alfred themselves, while all the colored ones are stereotypically good without a single flaw about them. There should be more nuance to characters than that. Especially from a writer such as Matt Reeves who is perfectly capable of making nuanced characters that aren't tied to their identities.
You can tell this movie was catering to one audience, and one audience only.
@@sambased8078 Race is not a deterministic variable with which one can assume a person good or bad, therefore there's no reason to keep track of how many black characters are good and how many are bad.
You're also drawing from a fragile sample size since there are only 3 or 4 black characters with meaningful roles. The Black Panther only had 2 or 3 white characters and they were all good... and nobody cares.
@@canadagoose8543 And yet, that's exactly what the movie does, whether indirectly or not, I cannot say. But what I do know for a fact is that this movie is built for a specific audience in mind, and no one else. It is built to be alienating and divisive from the get-go. To deny this is folly.
“Isn’t he supposed to be a music guy”
In my experience, intermediate classical musicians sometimes lack a set of skills that are explicitly “musical” ones. The ability to improvise, good ear for harmony, and playing in any ensemble without sheet music and a director. People ask me about other pianists in school and I say, they were 90% all better than me, but none of them could jam. The jazz and popular music kids are different.
Interesting perspective 👀
"I didn't think Zoë Kravitz had any sort of Chemistry with Robert Pattinson"
Ben, your virginity is showing
Same man who openly admitted to not being able to get his wife wet btw
@@belphegren2062 and who has admitted that his wife sleeps in a different room. Then again, he’s supposedly orthodox Jewish, so I’m assuming that’s how Orthodox Jews generally role
His wife's (who is a doctor, who knew?) strap-on might have reached Benny's brain.
I feel my virginity growing back every time I listen to him
@@Marksman3434 shes also quite "dry"
"the more i thought about It, the more mad i became"
Some would even say that he got... Triggered...?
So much feelings, but not enough facts
...and then we realize that Bruce Wayne going "woke" was not only necessary, it was the point, and that makes Shapiro retch. People like Shapiro would be happy to see Batman just punch thugs in order to fulfill Frank Miller's fever dream that "saved" Batman as a character.
The Dark Knight Returns is what republicans lust after.
The Court of Owls is Batman's ultimate, actual lesson.
I so hope we get a proper adaptation of The Owls someday. The Maze sequence alone could be amazing if done right.
Yea I never understood the love for Dark Knight returns like I tried to get into it once but it's my least favorite batman outside of like the aesthetic.
So after 9 live action movie appearances of Batman, several animated shows and animated movies, a live action TV show and several video games in the last 30 years, Ben feels that he needs to be told why Bruce Wayne becomes Batman.
Sounds like dementia
It’s ridiculous. The entire premise of the film rests upon the basis that the audience already knows who Batman is. We all know what he does and why he does it. The film cut out all the origin story fluff and dove into the character himself.
@@WolfStreak Yes just like the 3rd Spiderman sequel didn't have any of the spider biting or standing up to the bully thing.
Anytime I see Ben doing pop culture "analysis" I feel like I'm watching Christopher Walken reading the lyrics of "Poker face" except without any comedic value.
It must be so hard for conservatives to enjoy any type of media they always have to actively misunderstand and misrepresent the media so it fits into their tiny little world view.
Don't generalize us based on few people on the internet.
@@niweshlekhak9646 Good to see a conservative here. I hope your journey to the left goes well. :)
Was listening while making lunch. Had to come to the pc to angrily type how bad Ben's take is on the music score. The way the music utilized the basic popular culture music used in the movie to characterize both Bruce/Batman and the Riddler was amazing. The batman theme is literally an orchestrated and manipulated version of the Nirvana song. the music for the riddler was a manipulation of ave maria. It is used as a reminder of who the focal point of a scene is, and is just cool. Like it isn't just a fucking copy of Nolan's films' score, wtf
Yes!! Music theory is my passion and Giacchino is one of my favorite modern film composers. He is good at what he does...You're SUPPOSED to use known elements and motifs when writing something new, that's literally how music, especially film music, works!!
I won’t pretend that I know anything about music theory. But I,for one, greatly enjoyed the score. Never once did I think it was ripping off Nolan’s franchise.
You’d think a classically trained violinist would have a good take on music just by virtue of being a musician. And Ben couldn’t even accomplish that much. Smh
Is Ben Shapiro a big music guy? I know his parents made him play violin when he was a kid, but I always thought it was one of those “I play classical music so I’m better than you” things rather than actually being interested in it. Has he claimed to have kept that up into adulthood?
@@videogamenostalgia he published a video playing the game of Thrones theme song a while back. That's the only thing I know of. But I am not a frequent watcher of his
Ben is the type of musician that only plays what other people have made. He's as creative as a cd player.
As a comics fan I had to nope out after about 30 seconds, it's just too stupid
Matches Malone lol, you’re a real one for knowing that character
Same. Literally, the most brain dead take.
i feel like Ben Shapiro can’t get over how The Batman deviated from the platonism and elitism that characterized the Nolan trilogy. But this deviation is the exact reason I love The Batman.
One thing I also really liked about this Batman movie (which Ben would hate) is that Batman completely ignores the aspect of the crime that would show his empathy (the murder of Cat woman’s Russian friend) and that leads him to missing the most obvious clue that would lead him towards finding out Falcone much earlier!!
A tacit condemnation of Batman’s hyper focus on the vengeance for the crime right in front of him and how he has blinders on preventing him from helping those in need.
Very true. I’m the beginning, his focus was punishing criminals. By the end, he realized he should be helping/saving victims.
Oh good catch. This is a younger and angrier Batman, so it makes sense too that he’s making mistakes out of anger and perhaps even inexperience.
Ironically its only recently that Batman was even consiering intergrating his status as a philanthropist with his crime work. Somehow thats woke, because superheroes aren't supposed to help people according to Shapiro.
There's a reason why Gotham was so loved (especially in the first couple seasons). It really showed that the solution Gotham needed wasn't some asshole in a suit but rather a comprehensive and systemic solution. For example, The Penguin got ensnared in a Mafia plot and bullshitted his way to survive. He only got involved in the first place to care for his mother. If there were better social safety nets or a decent place for him to take his mother to receive care maybe he wouldn't have done all that shit.
By going into everyone's back story, you get a plain look at how they ended up the way they are. Nigma (Riddler) isn't just some wack job that started leaving clues at his murder scenes, he's an autistic social outcast that needed therapy years ago. Beating the shit out of him isn't going to solve the problem.
Nail on the fucking head. Also as an Autistic Gotham made me more of a fan of riddler then the Batman ever did. Don’t get me wrong Dano did amazing as Riddler.
...yeah but the problem is that that's not how it works. "Comprehensive and systemic solution" my ass, if the system is corrupt that's not gonna help. The "asshole in a suit" is the one who actually helps the individual person.
@@Tacklepig utter bullshit. The asshole in the suit only does shit for his individual donors. Prosperity and rights of the working class have been on a decline for decades.
@@Tacklepig yeah which is why we gotta make the system better.
@@Tacklepig The system in Gotham needs a total and complete overhaul. There is no singular person who can save Gotham, and while Bruce Wayne can do a lot of good for Gotham (certainly more than Batman) by being a "good billionaire," provide jobs and etc, there are so many downright evil billionaires in Gotham they literally made the Court of Owls.
And funnily enough, because of all that systematic corruption, the individual person who can have their life destroyed in less than a day and will therefore have literally no choice but to become another cog in the corrupt machine has the most reason to be terrified of Batman.
Ben: What makes Batman different from the villains is Batman targets criminals and the villains target innocent people, so this movie has to flip that on its head.
Also Ben: The Nolan trilogy is the benchmark, not only for Batman, but for modern superhero movies.
What was Ra's al Ghul's plan again? And, by extension, Talia/Bane's? What was Joker trying to prove about human nature with his boat experiment?
Batman in particular has a long history of sympathetic villains and deeper themes about the nature of justice. The source material LOVES talking about moral grey areas. An alarming number of Batman's rogues could be simply described as "genetic abomination seeking revenge on the people who turned them into a genetic abomination". This has always been Batman.
Uhhh those are not sypmathetic villains ... nobody says all poor Joker outside of Harely Quinn ... they say wtf Batman why haven't you killed this psychopath yet?
Saying Giacchino just flipped Zimmer's score is the dumbest music take I've heard.
Unsurprising coming from Conservatives based on their media analysis
Giacchino's always had a more classical orchestral composition style while Zimmer's has always been much more modern, incorporating cg-instruments and that Terminator/Battlefield style of drum beat.
Giacchino's The Batman theme is more "epic" and melodramatic while Zimmer's is extremely close to the Arkham game's soundtrack: very beat heavy with moments of melancholy.
I have to watch the movie so I don't know how the score is, so I won't comment on that part.
But I'm a college music student and even despite feeling like I'm often struggling to keep up with my peers, people like Ben remind me how stupid some people are about movie scores lol
@@theoldhermit2601 tbh I listened right after making this comment and just confirmed what I wrote.
I'm only musically trained from my High School days but I can still tell the difference between two scores, especially between two giants like Giacchino and Zimmer
@@OIKJJGNGGS yeah exactly. Considering how prominent they are in current culture (cause of the movies they've composed for) they're some of the most analyzed and studied composers ever, so boiling it down and not knowing the difference between the two is embarrassing
Especially when his whole example was that the melody went higher in one score and equally lower in a different one according according him lmaoo I guess that makes two ENTIRE scores so similar that they're the "inverse" of the other
@@theoldhermit2601 as another commenter pointed out, The Batman's main theme is very similar melody-wise to Chopin's Funeral March. If Benny had pointed that out he could've made an actual point.
In Nolan's trilogy, Zimmer's main theme is Mollosus which, when compared to The Batman, sounds nothing alike. I don't even think the example Ben provides is even prevalent
The "Bruce Wayne is the mask and Batman is the real persona!" is the most baseline, baby's first literary take idea on Batman. It's hard to take anyone's ability to read seriously when they're saying that as a man in their late 30s.
Eh I mean that is the most wide spread take on the character, but I really liked what they did in the movie
@Oswald Cobblepot I’m just saying that the take isn’t as brainlet as he was saying
It’s right up there with Batman is a fascist
@Oswald Cobblepot idk about that, that interpretation has been around at least since early 90s(tas era)
@Oswald Cobblepot bruh TAS was Batman defining wtf “don’t care about cartoons” you’re not a Batman fan lol
I'm curious, what does Ben think about Joker? I know that alot of right wingers liked Joker because supposedly it wasn't woke, but wasn't it really? Since the riots in that movie are pretty much explicitly caused by socio economic problems rather than individual problems. The movie makes it clear that Arthur Fleck might not have gone down that path had he gotten the care he needed, but the people claiming that movie is anti woke would tell any real life Arthur Fleck to pull himself up by his bootstraps and get a job.
Ah yes the 3 Batmen: Crime fighting Batman, Detective Batman and... City saving Batman.
You can change all those Batmen with Pikachu and it would still make sense
On god I actually thought that was a kind of cute way to accurately sum up the differences of the 3, I think this is just proof that we would be in a much better timeline if Ben Shapiro had become a renowned movie critic instead of an internet gremlin who is obligated to complain about black people doing stuff.
I mean... he's not exactly wrong there. With the exception of the Comics, Batman puts his full Detective skills to the test with the Telltale Series and, to a lesser extent, the Arkham Series. Finally having that kind of Batman on film is a god-send.
well he couldn’t say Bush Batman
@@kingmarc544 Bush Pikachu, think about that
When i saw that the riddler was a anti sjw youtuber i almost lost my mind, what a great movie
But.. he's not an anti-SJW. Quite the contrary.
He's whole theme is that he brings the corrupt, the rich and powerful, to "justice". He very explicitly criticizes Brunce Wayne for not using his money to fund the Renewal Orphanage after his parents died.
He's a radicalizing figure.. but not a right-wing one. Rather, I'd dare say.. a leftist one.
Stochastic terrorism is not the sole dominion of the far-right.
The only thing he has in common with the far right is his somewhat incel-like loser aesthetic, and that most of his followers are male (which is a given in _any_ violent movement). This is why appearances can be deceiving.
His whole character arc is supposed to be a dark mirror for Batman, what Bruce could become if he gets lost in his whole "vengeance" mission statement, the idea that violence is the solution to all problems. When he tells Batman "You're just like me", it's a wake up call.
I started dying laughing at that part “Hey guys thanks for the likes” great fucking movie
Catwoman's line about "privileged, white people" was cringe at first thought, but upon further thinking it made me realize it fits her character especially she's a borderline villain - anti hero character.
I mean , you can still see the lower half of his face. It's not like his lower half is white, while the upper half is mexican
@@lookingforlove839 what?
It was and also here anti rich comments ... which is weird for someone that steals expensive things as a character.
Or that she knows she grew up in hardship, is of color and knows who runs the city with the politicians that she is cynical about? Its no different than real world Chicago.
@@GeteMachine exactly peoples take on this is really telling lol
You know what? This review is kind of right up there with Nostalgia Critic’s take on The Wall. Blatantly either misinterpreting the film’s plot/themes or thinking that it’s the film’s fault when it addresses issues that hit well too close to home.
That and also being screechingly unfunny and painfully cringe alongside the embarrassing sponsorships
I can’t decide which is worse, tbh
I mean on the one hand NC has long claimed to be a huge fan of the Wall. Since adolescence even. So his review is rather bizarre and you end up questioning if he ever actually thought about the film outside of it looking cool and rebellious.
On the other you have Bennie Boy who can’t critique media properly to save his life. Who came away from this film with nonsensical interpretations and take aways so bad, they’d engender a facepalm from even the most casual of Batfans.
Someone random wait, you just described the same person
@@cianbroderick4145 Lol true
@@someonerandom8552 I mean, as bad as Doug Walker’s production values are, at least the Nostalgia Critic isn’t peddling racism.
@@videogamenostalgia Yeah that is a valid point.
Doug strikes me as a “radical centrist” who doesn’t really care that much about politics. He’s awful, don’t get me wrong. But not as bad as Ben, I suppose.
I’d even argue Doug has more media literacy than Ben, as he was in the past able to at least look at tropes, cliches and other building blocks of storytelling and analyse why they worked or didn’t. It was very superficial and without a lot of substance. But it’s still more than I can say for Ben.
White make lead: *isn’t perfect*
Ben 10Piro: And I took that personally
I have to say, knowing how Ben Shapiro write people of color in his own books given his own creative freedom, I'm not surprised that he reads any positive portrayal of a person of color as, "woke."
One of his characters is a villainous, unarmed, black man who tricks a cop into shooting him for the sole purpose of making cops look bad. Yep, this random criminal (of course he's portrayed as a stereotypical criminal) is ready to martyr themselves in some sort of 4D chess gambit that doesn't benefit them in any way.
I suppose that if you had an extremely right wing view of these things, this story could assuage your conscience about any questionable applications of state violence. You could simply wave them away as the result of "bad people," exploiting well meaning authority figures and "tricking" them into shooting and killing the unarmed. A coincidence, I'm sure.
Dumb mayor wants a meeting with the white billionaire so she can tell him how she wants to spend his money😂
And the fact Ben thinks black people need to trick the police into shooting us 😂
It's so funny how Ben talks about Batman like he truly understands the character when he keeps brining up the Nolan movies as his only refences lmfao. Nothing about the comics or even the cartoons.
It gets worse. He thinks the Batman is inspired by Frank Millers Year One when really it was Zero Year by Scott Snyder.
I doubt Shapiro has even read Shaman, Dammed or Ego.
@@lazuruswolf6668 Nah The Batman definitely takes some stuff from Batman Year One lol. But yeah him not knowing books like Dark Victory, Zero Year, Long Halloween, Ego, etc. is so funny. I cringed so hard when he didn’t get the Zero Year references.
@@OMGYasuke I agree with 99% of what you said but I’m telling you Reeves and Pattinson took more from Snyders Zero Year stuff. Also how could he not also see the references to No Man’s Land. I can definitely see Shapiro being a Dixon fan boy. Especially with how the latter goes on how about he is victimised for being conservative.
To be fair he talked about long Halloween
7:25 there are two common ways to think about the Metropolis/Gotham dichotomy: one is what you thought (that Metropolis is New York, Gotham is Chicago) and the other is that-I’m really not joking here-Metropolis is New York in daytime and Gotham is New York at night.
New Yorkers think they are the center of the fucking universe. They’d rather just do their city twice than recognize any other city existing.
@Vaush in fairness to Ben, he never said "wokeness is when you have POC in a film". What he actually said was: "Wokeness is when POC are good". Totally not a racist sentiment /s
There actually are Superman stories (never in the movies) where Clark does use his status as a Journalist to fight corruption and help others. I wish those comics and episodes got highlighted more
They probably never will because most people approaching the superman character in film don't understand how important clark ke t is to the character and they just want superman to punch things for 2 hours
@@Joseph-sg3jz I'm pretty sure that's most of his comics too. Modern Superman is way to powerful for the Clark Kent part of him to be relevant. Siegle and Schuster gave him a perfect powerset; and then DC spent decades fucking it up.
The term "Woke" is losing meaning when Conservatives like Ben sound like they're an inch away from screaming BLACKS when they see black people on-screen.
It's interesting to see both sides of this kind of discussions. I am neither left or right but the left seems to have a more distorted version of reality. The far right does to but the far left is against prejudice but embraces prejudice while saying it's bad. LLike you saying all conservatives are racists ... super crazy. Or people that say all cops are bad but also say they are against prejudice while being prejudice at the same time. Gets beyond nuts. Most of the left seems to be concerns of what the right might do, but never does or comes close, while the right seems to be concerned what the left is actually doing but exaggerates what they might be doing though it still has a basis in confirmed fact. I dunno it's like that Musk meme. The far far left ran so far to the left it moved people in the middle to the right even though they were left of center before. Seems spot on. Reality sucks but anyone sane can't really stay with things that are literally outside of literally and filled with paranoia
@@bloodspittingspartan5002 Nope. I am a Thinkformyselfativacrat. Seems too many people think in a range of mob think to pretty much cult level think
I'm a conservative and it didn't bother me :/
@@vecnasmother9813 yup they generalize us based on like 5-10 people.
@@niweshlekhak9646 exactly like i loved that movie
Shapiro apparently loved Nolan's films and The Long Halloween, an obvious inspiration for The Dark Knight...
Yet doesn't understand the message in The Batman that just beating dudes up or being a lone crusader against crime just doesn't work when there's corruption in public institutions? The cops being in bed with the mob was a vital plot point in TDK and in The Batman.
Actually your point sounds like the point Shapiro was trying to make what they were trying to do with the film. You liked that but he didn't. But the cops were not in bed with the mob ... just some of them were. Don't you recall when they came out of with Falcone? All the cops were there and Gordon said I guess the cops are not on your payroll after all? It was just a handful of people to use that charity for money laundering etc. But Gordon wasn't corrupt nor most of the cops. That is where Shapiro fails really he thought it was super woke ... but not as much as he thought it was and also not as woke as the woke thought it was. It had commentary with the Riddler showing how horrible the deconstruction mentality of the woke can get. Was extreme but it was a reflection of the riots during 2020.
As a Glaswegian I absolutely love how people talk about the new “grimy” Gotham City, cuz yeah it really is that irl.
The primary location was liverpool with bits in Glasgow and London . So yep
EDIT Plot twist turns out gothic city is just a uk non london city,
Edited: as some one rightly took issue with me saying england when some of the locations are scotish.,
@@infesticon oy I take great offense to being called English
The comics show Gotham on a map somewhat regularly. New Jersey.
@@hefancy6921 Im sorry about that, I have edited my comment to try and be more acurate. I normally don't do this slip up and am very embarassed.
Its like damn, why would batman, a sort of, warrior fighting for justice in society have such woke SJW elements?
Because those two things are polar opposites
@@SpicyTortilla69 I don’t think you got da joke chief
@@Kade_Kapes I don't think the author of the joke understands that justice and social justice warriors don't equal eachother, and they're a majority of the time opposites.
@@SpicyTortilla69 Yeah cuz fighting for other people’s rights is the opposite of justice.
@@Kade_Kapes sjws actively fight against people's rights lmao
Batman became Batman to be the power that the powerless didn't have bc he was so powerless when his parents were murdered. It's been explained in so many iterations of Batman that they probably didn't think they had to hold the audiences hand through it.
YESSSS I RECOMMENDED THIS AND HE DID IT LETS GOOOOOO
Go where??
@@gartspormpfly2821 Brazil
It's bc of u
If The Batman is making people like Ben Shapiro hate it, then you know it's doing something right. It's a superhero movie, after all, it should send a very clear message about justice and evil and the people who stand for horrendous shit IRL should definitely feel squeamish getting called out by it
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Considering the movie criticizes capitalism and how it influences class and crime, that would make Ben Shapiro's blood boil. He's the one guy that literally grew up wealthy and thinks capitalism is a flawless system to religious levels of admiration.
Its doing something right when the audience doesn't like it😑 that litterly came out ur mouth
Catwoman was played by like three actresses in the Adam West show back in the 1960's, one of which was Eartha Kitt, a black woman.
I would love to see Ben's adaptation where it's just Batman torturing a jaywalker for an hour and a half.
Important to note that the jaywalker is black, and his boxers are showing through his low sagging pants.
@@Axxilles And his name is something like "Snoop JayZ" or some shit because Ben is a dweeb who can't be bothered to even Google "common black names", much less do proper character research
Bens batman: why did you jaywalk!!!!?
Black jaywalker: Jesus Christ dude I was running late for work!!! I was in a hurry I am sorry!!!
Bens Batman proceeds to beat the guy within a inch of his life.
Beating up Antifa and minorities for 90 minutes.
Ben just wants Batman to be a Punisher-skull-wearing cop
I need to use this clip every time someone tells me to substantiate the claim that he is racist to this day. He literally says a woman of color being portrayed as the good guys is bad. Straight up just racism.
That’s a reach imo, he’s more just saying that there’s a lack of nuance in the writing: POC good, white men bad. I feel like that’s a valid criticism of writing in general and not a racist remark-although not perhaps in this situation.
How is it a reach, if the situation fits?
@@soccutd77 this seems pretty absurd when Batman, the main character of the film, is himself white.
And sorry my dude, if you’re gonna write a story about how the old men in power are running things for their benefit while sticking to reality even a little, you’re gonna have to accept that most of the guys you’re talking about are white.
But since Ben is ideologically and financially unable to admit this, he has to instead target that black character and act like the movie is wrong for making them act like good people.
@@shadsnotafk7478 I’m saying the reach is calling it “straight up racism.”
@@supermutantsam1160 I think his point is excluding Batman, who is traditionally a rich white dude. More of the writer’s/casting people’s job is to fill in the characters around batman, and when you look at it, it is a bit odd that all the bad guys are white and all the good side characters are POC. It’s not that big of a deal, but it does seem a bit unsubtle. I don’t think it’s racist to point that out: also I don’t think Ben is saying this point tanked the movie either, so calling it straight racism just seems very over the top to me.
Both his parents worked in Hollywood, his cousin is an actress, and his sister is an opera singer. Why do I feel he has personal issues with the entertainment industry?
If the FBI got involved, they would have to deal with the mob and supervillains too. Such a thing would be so extreme it would need an Arkham City style quarantine.
I think Ben is just mad that he'd be targeted if this Batman was actually out there 😂
I was so happy when he transitioned from a harbinger of vengeance to a beacon of hope. You see it in his eyes when he turns away from Selina and dives into the flooding of the arena. She saw it too. Her last lines showed that.
I'd personally love to see a comic or movie that really digs into the issue with the whole "Batman needs to brutalize random criminals to deter crime through fear" ideology espoused by right wing Batman fans. Just give Batman a yellow lantern ring or something & make him spiral into tyrannical madness, turning Gotham into a brutal authoritarian police state with him as the Dread Dictator. Just some real Robocop meets Curse of Strahd by way of 1984 shit, fully commit to Batman being the antagonist, maybe focus on one of the Robins or one of the villains leading an uprising
I would watch or read the shit out of that.
That sounds fucking sick
Check out Batman The Grim Knight, or Batman Earth 51.
Neither had a yellow lantern ring, but both are Batmen who ended up becoming controlling dictators that killed off most criminals.
There's probably others but those two come to mind, where their biggest difference to the typical Batman is that they decided to kill off criminals. They actually were successful Batmen ironically, at least to a point. The Grim Knight fits your description the best (just with out a ring)imo, seeing as how he did stuff like have satellites tracking crime, scaring people enough to make them feel obligated to thank him for killing the criminals, and also had a bomb placed on Alfred so that he couldn't leave him.
@@thedeathskeleton4957 That sounds pretty cool, thanks for the recommendation!!
But wouldn't it be fucked up if Yellow-Lantern Batman leaned even harder into his no killing rule? Like, genius level intellect + an alien engine that runs on fear would come to the obvious conclusion that the dead cannot scream, maybe with enough juice going through the ring he could set up an ambient life-support field through all of Gotham, so no one can escape through death. Just some real Nightmare King shit
@@heatran1919 That'd definitely be wild to see. I also don't think it's been done yet. At least not exactly.
The closest I can think of is Batman: The Dawnbreaker who was a Batman that more or less overcharged and corrupted a green lantern ring as a kid and went crazy with it. He did at one point shroud a city in darkness and used the fears of others to fight. Besides making his parents zombies, he didn't prevent people's souls from leaving tho.