Let’s not forget addressing the enablers who protect and defended the abusers. They too are guilty of contributing to the abuse that’s been inflicting on innocence people. Lets acknowledge that enablers are the extension of the abusers hand, words and deeds.
But many of those enablers are also trauma bonded. This happens with familiar abuse. They enable because they too are victims of the abusers. They are just as manipulated by the abusers. They too need to wake up to misplaced love. They remain quiet and believe the abusers because they too are being used and they believe the abuser because they’re confused by them. Passive and aggressive behavior confuses the daylights of enablers. Just food for thought. However there are enablers who really aren’t fooled but are as maladaptive as the abusers. Rare but they do exist. They are just as wicked as the abuser.
I love that you are learning about this topic. Churches need to help the abused. I was in an abusive marriage for 25 years but didn’t know it. I began to be abusive bc of provocation that I didn’t know was happening. Make sure you understand and study reactive abuse bc so often the abused can look like the abuser. I thought I was just a mean nasty person and left to stop hurting those I loved only to find out this was what had happened to me. It’s weird but it happens. I now am 100% a changed person but to accomplish that I had to get away from the abuser that was provoking me. I feel it’s demonic and a tactic of satan. I am ashamed of things I have done. I am willing to speak of them openly and honestly bc I am truly remorseful and never want to be that person again. My abuser still takes no accountability 6 years later.
I lived with a woman 2 years . She always told me her first husband ran around on her then two more husbands died. But she wanted to get married and go to church and live right. That was my dream to. We got married and with in the first few weeks she came home and she got mad at me because I had a candy bar raper setting by the chair i had set in when I got home I had only gotten home and few minutes before her. But she told me she would leave me just like she did her first husband. So after two years telling me he was committing adultery. But now she told me it is just some thing like leaving a candy bar raper . She later divorced me because my ex wife text me and asked how I was doing and I said good that I had gotten married and she was good to me she said that was a adultry and divorce me . But now I was abusive to her. And everyone at her church help move her in with another man. But that doesn’t matter because she labeled me abusive, I was not. But now I’m very bitter and I am struggling with forgiveness . To forgive people who hurt me the way they did Is evil because I truly loved her but I’m forever through with people. I will never let myself get involved in church or a relationship. All because I wanted a better life. They are not any better for me.
This is not a country club with some minimum morality requirements. I love that sentence. I'm glad you're holding people accountable for their behavior. Being a Christian doesn't mean God will free us from past traumas. We have to do the work and the church needs to encourage getting help MORE! Thank you Pastor Mike 🏆
Thank you so much. I needed to hear how God saw the violence sent to me. I needed to know that God abhorred it and how intensely He acknowledged it. Abuse makes you feel unseen by God and unseen by others. Now I see how God saw it all and hated it just as I did.
I agree with all this. Thank you for the message. If abusers really will take this to heart it could make a difference. They do have to be truly repentant and not just use the church to hide behind. I read only 1-3% really will change...not a big number. I was involved with a narcissistic and sociopathic man for 15 years of marriage who got more aggressive before I finally left. It wasn't easy to leave. My children and I left with nothing. He was extremely manipulative and abusive in every way through our whole marriage... emotionally, physically, financially, sexually. He is still using the church, has pushed me out, character assassinated me, flipped abuse around on me, lied to the leaders, and puts on such a mask of being the nicest guy in the world that people have a hard time believing me when I tell the truth. Co-parenting with this man is also a nightmare. He has taken my children away since I left and used the legal system against me too. Abusers do use churches to hide behind and as more of a means to abuse the ones they hurt...it is more abuse when they play the repentant part but aren't because they strip the victim of support when they need it the most. I do hope abusers will really truly take repentance serious and not just use the church to further their schemes. I hope church leaders will keep this in mind when dealing with abusers too and be open and listen to those that are hurt.
I’ve hurt people before in my life. Guilt haunts me because God has assigned me to be made new and I’ve disappointed so many people around me. My family has verbally and emotionally and sometimes even physically abused me as a child. I feel as though I’ve been moulded into this monster that I am in this household of Godlessness. My actions are so reprehensible but I know God is so merciful that he won’t save me from consequence but from continually sinking. I can’t tell you how much I’m dreading commenting this but I need to publicly testify that I have been a violent person. I have a mental illness that combined with the ways in which I’ve been raised has been a factor in my behaviour. God rescue me from myself. Amen.
Thank you for this as I lie on the floor for the 4th day as a victim of abuse. I'm broken. I have to get up. I have children to care for. I wish my husband could listen to this.
As a 17 year old daughter of the most high King who goes through DV, I just want to let to let you know that you are not alone. God sees our pain; he doesn’t turn his eyes away from our cries. Although it may seem that the enemy is being allowed to hurt us time and time again and that our abuse will never come to an end, remember that God is with always you! One thing that helps me is thinking back to all the abusive episodes in praise where God had sustained me through it all. No matter how many years it’s been (which would be 17 in my case) have faith that this won’t last forever. • _David didn’t run from Saul forever._ • _Sarah wasn’t barren forever._ • _Joseph wasn’t imprisoned forever._ • _Elijah wasn’t depressed forever._ • _And Job wasn’t sick forever._ In fact, it was through these very struggles that they were able to walk in the blessed path God had for them. I certainly believe one day you will become a powerful testimony in Jesus Christ’s name and shake off the chains Satan has chained onto others who have suffered from abuse as well. Keep praying! I pray that God heals your heart, in Jesus Christ name, Amen!
I am so so sorry. I been there. I pray, please protect your children. It will affect the kids. My kids have a lot of anxiety as adults now. Thank you for sharing.
As a childhood scapegoating abuse survivor in therapy for >year I found your videos on healing from that abuse very helpful, encouraging, & compassionate. Yet the thing that’s held me back, the things I’ve held back out of toxic shame, were my own abusive acts towards my own young children or pets. It wasn’t that I was ever hiding the things I’d done, in fact, I was the one who called Child Protective Services when I felt my children weren’t safe with me. Everyone knew, my abusive ex husband, my abusive family of origin, everyone openly chastised, humiliated, & confirmed the scapegoating I was subject to since birth even though it was my FOO’s abuse that had so emotionally crippled me. I was afraid to listen to this video “to the abuser”. I was afraid you too would condemn me, you too would confirm my family's scapegoating, that I truly am deserving of disdain with nowhere to turn. I’m so glad my desire for healing & curiosity led me to watch & listen. I can’t thank you enough for the love, compassion & truth you share that removed a major stumbling block to my healing & reconciliation with my Lord & Savior, Jesus Christ.
I hate myself right now for doing the same wrong things that were done to me by my family, to my young boy. It breaks my heart but I don't know how to stop. I can't afford therapy. I feel broken.
According to his last sermon, meant for the abused though, not abusers, he quoted many bible verses saying Jesus essentially said that theyd (abusers) be better off hanging something heavy (lol, cant remember exact object) on their chest and taking a deep swim. As the abused, its not our business what God says to the abusers, even if we feel like we should or want to know...thats what kept us there too long in the first place. Awww, you had a bad childhood? Aww, yoi cant control your anger? Yada yada. This thread is not for us, lets move on with head held high, its their burden now to carry
Im with you. Their stories have been used as excuses to avoid the harm they cause to those of us who were not there. Though I have compassion and its helped me pursue my own journey towards forgiveness for those that have hurt me, I have a strong boundary against them being excused. When someone is tormenting you and no one helps and there own childhood abuse is used to keep you feeling like what they just did is excusable it's damaging. I am more firm with my own struggles in sin because I don't want to carry over that victim mentality to anyone else. It robs us of our ability to grow on compassion. It's twisted. God can help them. I'm not the doormat or scapegoat.
You are on fire with these messages! Christians get abused because they have loving hearts and it is rampant. These abusers want to keep our eyes focused on them so we won’t focus on Jesus. They know Jesus gives us what they can’t!!!!!!!!!!
I know the man you are speaking of..thats why,in my home, I barricade in my bedroom...locks...stun guns...mace....see that man has moved out..but he lurks... I am now damaged.. things imprinted on my soul that cannot be erased...but I do pray to Jesus,to please help me forget the really bad things....
Wow you’re so on point! You’re hitting every aspect of abuse. This that you’re embarking in is from God and the Holy Spirit. I am mind blown over how you got this down pack! It is so needed now more than ever.
Wow! Thank you for the courage you have to bring this to light. I was in a 20 year marriage in which I had to except his abuse, which was primarily emotional for fear that the church would find out. But I found out when the church did find out, they turned on me.
I grew up in a household of abuse being hurled back and forth between my parents, physical and verbal. There was times of physical abuse as well. I was verbally abused and was abused physically and verbally by my peers throughout most of my childhood to teen years. All I've wanted since I was 15 was to find a woman to love and have a nice life together. Yet no matter how hard I try, I get upset and lash out verbally to all my partners, because of what was done to me and because of the example I was given. I've given up trying to find a partner for long periods of time, because I've given up on myself. I went to counseling for nearly 5 years then decided to try again, but I'm still acting the same way even in this relationship. I've been a Christian since 2004. I've prayed the Lord make me a better man ever since then. I've done the work. I feel like I'm a villain desperately trying to be a hero, but doomed to be the villain regardless. If you see this message, please pray for me
Thanks for being open about your struggles, and we will certainly be praying. You can also submit requests directly to our Prayer Team here: timeofgrace.org/pray/. If you are interested, we've compiled a page of resources as a starting point toward healing: timeofgrace.org/abuse/. Praying these will be helpful in your journey of healing.
Thank you for your honesty. Dear Jesus's I pray for this person that your healing arm will help this person to understand You Jesus love this person with all of His heart. That he loves himself and forgive himself. God Bless you forevermore ❤
I think my husband feels the same way you feel. My husband is a kind man with a lot of anger too but needs deliverance and an encounter with Jesus. Not just a Sunday service. Will keep you in my prayers.
There is FAR TOO much concern for the abusers in the church. It is despicable and furthers the abuse. This sermon turned my stomach in remembrance of the abuse the church heaped upon me as I struggled to escape an abusive relationship.
But it’s part 2. Part 1was to the abused. It was so healing. Part 1 to the abused ruclips.net/video/PplqezEaK-A/видео.html Part 3 to the church ruclips.net/video/ETHom9JtYeg/видео.html
@@shelleyd9910 All very good messages and it's wonderful this Church is covering all aspects of abuse. Probably one of the best I've heard from a Church on this topic. I haven't seen many Churches that know how to deal with this topic very well and often make the mistake of defending the abuser and leaving the abused feeling even more isolated. I don't see that this Church does that which is fantastic. We need more like this. Thanks for sharing the links. 💟🙏
To abuse is to make a choice. To neglect is to make a choice. To lie is to make a choice. To "sin" is to make a choice. Its all about making a choice!! God forgives CHOICES !! Simple!! No if, ands or buts !! If you choose to "not forgive" god will choose to "not forgive". Its simple !! Not rocket science. This message was AMAZING!!! ...simple
He says "I love you too! I will show you grace at the expense of others because I love you so much and their pain was planned for your good and they can either be happy about it or burn in hell".
I don’t think people go into a romantic relationship looking to be abused. People think that they are not being abused. The abuser doesn’t think the are abusive. Emotional, verbal abuse isn’t obvious so you can’t avoid.
In the name of Jesus Christ please forgive giving me for being abusive. I have a mental problem because of being mentally abused all my life. It doesn’t excuse my behavior. For those people are no longer alive and I living in hell for how I acted. I repent my sins.
And I know I was one foot in hell I was suicidal for a decade jesus delivered me of those demons I know what I'm talking about not in a prideful way just a matter of fact
Time of Grace has compiled a list of resources as a starting point for the abused and abusers: timeofgrace.org/abuse/. We pray some of these resources will provide direction and encouragement! To find a Bible-based church in your area, you can use this church locator tool: yearbook.wels.net/unitsearch.
Here's a link to a series entitled, "Escape an Abusive Relationship:" ruclips.net/video/6ThAIjilM6Y/видео.html. We also have additional resources at www.timeofgrace.org/abuse. Praying some of these may be helpful!
I am sad, my partner gets angry and begins to blame me for being like his brother who manipulated him for over 11 years. He uses the kids as well and makes me out to be the bad guy so he can cover every area because his brother blind sighted him. I tried to leave and he started blaming me that the kids will get taken. I put my hand up to cover me from his abusive words not touching him and he started getting physical. I prayed and declared enemy get out and he got even worse. He tried Taking my stuff and I tried grabbing it. He pushed me by accident and I flew into the corner of the door. Help me please Jesus😔
My husband rage and abuse is far more than what you even said My husband slits oh mr calls me a fxxxx cxxx and punches me in the head at times no fighting I’ve been corned I’ve been punched suddenly in the forehead and knocked to the ground Theirs no honeymoon period Theirs no no relentense He was arrested six time broke bail came at me My cars been broken windows so many times I even rang the police and said I believe he will kill me They said you can come and talk to us yet they have never locked him up more than - 1 night I’ve been In hospital through perforated ear drums The rage is like a thousand demons comming at me physically huge and a demons comming to war at me that lives in him I was screamnrd called a fxx. Xxx for forty min in the car shaking I could barely think and I went to bed hungry with the most sickening stomach ache I’m praying for the supernatural touch and people to surround me as I’m isolated
Please try to get out if you are still there with this man because I care for you even if I don't know you precious women. I understand because I there now. I was rape two time when i was 14 year old when i lived on the street of Toronto. I am very sad you experienced the rape from your husband my heart cries for you😢. I been married for 37 years my husband he verbally abuse me and sometimes time physically. I am lost. Thank you for sharing. God Bless. Dear Jesus put a hedge of protection around this precious women that she will go back to this abuse.
I divorced my abuser. He never said he was sorry but instead blames me and is leading Bible studies. This sermon makes me sick. We need compassion for the abused
Sorry to hear you suffered in an abusive marriage and that the scriptures were twisted to justify abusive behavior. Part of this same series of messages includes "Abuse: What Does God Say to the Abused?" and "Abuse: What Does God Say to the Church?" We have compiled all these videos, along with other resources for victims of abuse here: timeofgrace.org/abuse/. Praying some of these might be helpful or encouraging to you as you heal!
I listened this hopeful as one that had been abused. Hopeful, that for once, the church would be on the side of the abused. But no. The church just wishes forgive, give “grace” to the abusers. Disgusting:
I too have been abused and listened with hope. What I heard is grace with a qualifier: "*if* you are ready to own your sin, *if* you repent and turn to Jesus in obedience". Grace is not given when there is no genuine repentance. It is not given to be exploited. There is also another sermon that is addressed to the abused from the same man. That is worth a look 🙂 I hope and pray you will find comfort and healing and everything you need. God loves you.
@@rachelhayhurst-mason7846 we who are the abused can become abusers if we do not “guard our hearts” as we heal from the trauma. A hard heart is all it takes and exactly what happened to our abusers to make them that way
@@shelleyd9910 true. Yet sometimes abusers have truly been abused and sometimes they are simply self centred and/or egotistical, interpreting the "no"s they're given as a personal offense. This inspires vengeful actions toward anyone who offends them. In a church environment true abusers need confronting and discipline, with grace and forgiveness to be given after a decent amount of time where the fruits of repentance are consistently displayed, both in public and in private. There has to be qualifications to assess every case or true abuse will go unconfronted and unintended offenses will be punished as 'abuse'. We all need true wisdom, and that only comes from carefully listening and weighing up the evidence of each case in light of scripture.
Abuse is evil . Avoid evil expose works of darkness. Did jesus abuse anyone. Ashe is so r we. Outside may be pagans are But in jesuschrist one cannot Shouldnot. . Thankyoujesus
This guy doesn’t have idea how is to feel the abuser has all the power and they don’t care … sorry this guy is defending the bad guys …. Bye i can’t hear him anymore 😢
Here's what he says: "lol, noobs, I once drowned an entire world, killed of firstborns, make people plunder and rape" "You guys seriously have more to learn from the best, me."
God says nothing because god does not exist. To think that abusers can be made good again is a fools folly and an abusers play ground. This is plain crazy thinking.
Finding help is hard but it is there. First I talk to a pastor and ask about how he feels about abuse before I ask for help.I having find a church to get involved. God does care.
Would you trust in asking a fox if he would mind sleeping in the hen house tonight? God's do not exist and trusting a paster that bases everything on a diety shown not to existsn is not any better. Just doesn't seem like this plan is well thought out. Always protect yourself, don't outsource your protection to a 3rd party. Own it.
Let’s not forget addressing the enablers who protect and defended the abusers. They too are guilty of contributing to the abuse that’s been inflicting on innocence people. Lets acknowledge that enablers are the extension of the abusers hand, words and deeds.
You are so right. I have been there.
But many of those enablers are also trauma bonded. This happens with familiar abuse. They enable because they too are victims of the abusers. They are just as manipulated by the abusers. They too need to wake up to misplaced love. They remain quiet and believe the abusers because they too are being used and they believe the abuser because they’re confused by them. Passive and aggressive behavior confuses the daylights of enablers. Just food for thought. However there are enablers who really aren’t fooled but are as maladaptive as the abusers. Rare but they do exist. They are just as wicked as the abuser.
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I love that you are learning about this topic. Churches need to help the abused. I was in an abusive marriage for 25 years but didn’t know it. I began to be abusive bc of provocation that I didn’t know was happening. Make sure you understand and study reactive abuse bc so often the abused can look like the abuser. I thought I was just a mean nasty person and left to stop hurting those I loved only to find out this was what had happened to me. It’s weird but it happens. I now am 100% a changed person but to accomplish that I had to get away from the abuser that was provoking me. I feel it’s demonic and a tactic of satan. I am ashamed of things I have done. I am willing to speak of them openly and honestly bc I am truly remorseful and never want to be that person again. My abuser still takes no accountability 6 years later.
That burning bed truth...was well deserved self defense & defense of the children because then people couldn't or didn't help.
You were never abusive, PTSD causes people to suffer due to their circumstances.
I lived with a woman 2 years . She always told me her first husband ran around on her then two more husbands died. But she wanted to get married and go to church and live right. That was my dream to. We got married and with in the first few weeks she came home and she got mad at me because I had a candy bar raper setting by the chair i had set in when I got home I had only gotten home and few minutes before her. But she told me she would leave me just like she did her first husband. So after two years telling me he was committing adultery. But now she told me it is just some thing like leaving a candy bar raper . She later divorced me because my ex wife text me and asked how I was doing and I said good that I had gotten married and she was good to me she said that was a adultry and divorce me . But now I was abusive to her. And everyone at her church help move her in with another man. But that doesn’t matter because she labeled me abusive, I was not. But now I’m very bitter and I am struggling with forgiveness . To forgive people who hurt me the way they did Is evil because I truly loved her but I’m forever through with people. I will never let myself get involved in church or a relationship. All because I wanted a better life. They are not any better for me.
FINALLY a Pastor talking about abuse
I’ve heard a few address it. Pastor Micah Harp of Christian warriors church did an excellent one.
It is a lovely sermon, so true. But after this sermon at home the abused woman will have hell to pay for this sermon
FINALLY!! Someone in the pulpit is addressing the churches enabling of abusive behavior in marriage. Maybe there's hope after all...
I hope so.
This is not a country club with some minimum morality requirements. I love that sentence. I'm glad you're holding people accountable for their behavior. Being a Christian doesn't mean God will free us from past traumas. We have to do the work and the church needs to encourage getting help MORE! Thank you Pastor Mike 🏆
How are they holding people accountable?
Thank you so much. I needed to hear how God saw the violence sent to me. I needed to know that God abhorred it and how intensely He acknowledged it. Abuse makes you feel unseen by God and unseen by others. Now I see how God saw it all and hated it just as I did.
I agree with all this. Thank you for the message. If abusers really will take this to heart it could make a difference. They do have to be truly repentant and not just use the church to hide behind. I read only 1-3% really will change...not a big number.
I was involved with a narcissistic and sociopathic man for 15 years of marriage who got more aggressive before I finally left. It wasn't easy to leave. My children and I left with nothing. He was extremely manipulative and abusive in every way through our whole marriage... emotionally, physically, financially, sexually.
He is still using the church, has pushed me out, character assassinated me, flipped abuse around on me, lied to the leaders, and puts on such a mask of being the nicest guy in the world that people have a hard time believing me when I tell the truth. Co-parenting with this man is also a nightmare. He has taken my children away since I left and used the legal system against me too.
Abusers do use churches to hide behind and as more of a means to abuse the ones they hurt...it is more abuse when they play the repentant part but aren't because they strip the victim of support when they need it the most. I do hope abusers will really truly take repentance serious and not just use the church to further their schemes. I hope church leaders will keep this in mind when dealing with abusers too and be open and listen to those that are hurt.
I think this is 1 of the most beautiful sermons I've ever heard. Thank you Sir.
I’ve hurt people before in my life. Guilt haunts me because God has assigned me to be made new and I’ve disappointed so many people around me. My family has verbally and emotionally and sometimes even physically abused me as a child. I feel as though I’ve been moulded into this monster that I am in this household of Godlessness. My actions are so reprehensible but I know God is so merciful that he won’t save me from consequence but from continually sinking. I can’t tell you how much I’m dreading commenting this but I need to publicly testify that I have been a violent person. I have a mental illness that combined with the ways in which I’ve been raised has been a factor in my behaviour. God rescue me from myself. Amen.
There is hope because you see your errors turn to jesus
I understand I have been raised this way and been abused and I to am a monster, but I’m tired and want to do right so bad
You really preached the truth ,.. thank you
Thank you for this as I lie on the floor for the 4th day as a victim of abuse. I'm broken. I have to get up. I have children to care for. I wish my husband could listen to this.
As a 17 year old daughter of the most high King who goes through DV, I just want to let to let you know that you are not alone. God sees our pain; he doesn’t turn his eyes away from our cries. Although it may seem that the enemy is being allowed to hurt us time and time again and that our abuse will never come to an end, remember that God is with always you! One thing that helps me is thinking back to all the abusive episodes in praise where God had sustained me through it all. No matter how many years it’s been (which would be 17 in my case) have faith that this won’t last forever.
• _David didn’t run from Saul forever._
• _Sarah wasn’t barren forever._
• _Joseph wasn’t imprisoned forever._
• _Elijah wasn’t depressed forever._
• _And Job wasn’t sick forever._
In fact, it was through these very struggles that they were able to walk in the blessed path God had for them.
I certainly believe one day you will become a powerful testimony in Jesus Christ’s name and shake off the chains Satan has chained onto others who have suffered from abuse as well.
Keep praying! I pray that God heals your heart, in Jesus Christ name, Amen!
@May
Amen 😪
I am so so sorry. I been there. I pray, please protect your children. It will affect the kids. My kids have a lot of anxiety as adults now. Thank you for sharing.
@@JesusChristForEternity The end of abuse is now. Deliverence, the end, amen.
As a childhood scapegoating abuse survivor in therapy for >year I found your videos on healing from that abuse very helpful, encouraging, & compassionate. Yet the thing that’s held me back, the things I’ve held back out of toxic shame, were my own abusive acts towards my own young children or pets. It wasn’t that I was ever hiding the things I’d done, in fact, I was the one who called Child Protective Services when I felt my children weren’t safe with me. Everyone knew, my abusive ex husband, my abusive family of origin, everyone openly chastised, humiliated, & confirmed the scapegoating I was subject to since birth even though it was my FOO’s abuse that had so emotionally crippled me.
I was afraid to listen to this video “to the abuser”. I was afraid you too would condemn me, you too would confirm my family's scapegoating, that I truly am deserving of disdain with nowhere to turn. I’m so glad my desire for healing & curiosity led me to watch & listen. I can’t thank you enough for the love, compassion & truth you share that removed a major stumbling block to my healing & reconciliation with my Lord & Savior, Jesus Christ.
I was scared to. I love this video to.
I hate myself right now for doing the same wrong things that were done to me by my family, to my young boy. It breaks my heart but I don't know how to stop. I can't afford therapy. I feel broken.
According to his last sermon, meant for the abused though, not abusers, he quoted many bible verses saying Jesus essentially said that theyd (abusers) be better off hanging something heavy (lol, cant remember exact object) on their chest and taking a deep swim. As the abused, its not our business what God says to the abusers, even if we feel like we should or want to know...thats what kept us there too long in the first place. Awww, you had a bad childhood? Aww, yoi cant control your anger? Yada yada. This thread is not for us, lets move on with head held high, its their burden now to carry
Im with you. Their stories have been used as excuses to avoid the harm they cause to those of us who were not there. Though I have compassion and its helped me pursue my own journey towards forgiveness for those that have hurt me, I have a strong boundary against them being excused. When someone is tormenting you and no one helps and there own childhood abuse is used to keep you feeling like what they just did is excusable it's damaging. I am more firm with my own struggles in sin because I don't want to carry over that victim mentality to anyone else. It robs us of our ability to grow on compassion. It's twisted. God can help them. I'm not the doormat or scapegoat.
May God give us ALL the ability to hear this message (& the other 2 in this series)🙌🏼💯
You are on fire with these messages! Christians get abused because they have loving hearts and it is rampant. These abusers want to keep our eyes focused on them so we won’t focus on Jesus. They know Jesus gives us what they can’t!!!!!!!!!!
I know the man you are speaking of..thats why,in my home, I barricade in my bedroom...locks...stun guns...mace....see that man has moved out..but he lurks... I am now damaged.. things imprinted on my soul that cannot be erased...but I do pray to Jesus,to please help me forget the really bad things....
I’m so sorry!!! Please leave!!! I don’t now if you think you “can’t” (biblically speaking)…look up Gretchen Baskerville of Life Saving Divorce
Wow you’re so on point! You’re hitting every aspect of abuse. This that you’re embarking in is from God and the Holy Spirit. I am mind blown over how you got this down pack! It is so needed now more than ever.
Wow! Thank you for the courage you have to bring this to light. I was in a 20 year marriage in which I had to except his abuse, which was primarily emotional for fear that the church would find out. But I found out when the church did find out, they turned on me.
Yes I know
We need more of this in the world❤thank you so much🙏
At times The Abused can become The Abusive! It's a learned behavior that can be unlearned!
I grew up in a household of abuse being hurled back and forth between my parents, physical and verbal. There was times of physical abuse as well. I was verbally abused and was abused physically and verbally by my peers throughout most of my childhood to teen years. All I've wanted since I was 15 was to find a woman to love and have a nice life together. Yet no matter how hard I try, I get upset and lash out verbally to all my partners, because of what was done to me and because of the example I was given. I've given up trying to find a partner for long periods of time, because I've given up on myself. I went to counseling for nearly 5 years then decided to try again, but I'm still acting the same way even in this relationship. I've been a Christian since 2004. I've prayed the Lord make me a better man ever since then. I've done the work. I feel like I'm a villain desperately trying to be a hero, but doomed to be the villain regardless. If you see this message, please pray for me
Thanks for being open about your struggles, and we will certainly be praying. You can also submit requests directly to our Prayer Team here: timeofgrace.org/pray/. If you are interested, we've compiled a page of resources as a starting point toward healing: timeofgrace.org/abuse/. Praying these will be helpful in your journey of healing.
Thank you for your honesty. Dear Jesus's I pray for this person that your healing arm will help this person to understand You Jesus love this person with all of His heart. That he loves himself and forgive himself. God Bless you forevermore ❤
I think my husband feels the same way you feel. My husband is a kind man with a lot of anger too but needs deliverance and an encounter with Jesus. Not just a Sunday service.
Will keep you in my prayers.
Also you need community and accountability partners.
This message is very refreshing and direct! Thank you.
Thank you Lord my God, God of Heaven and Earth for your unconditional Love Deuteronomy 33:27.
This message is amazing! Thank you❤
Abuse is wrong I try not to let is myself and I find for peace and safety of the innocent is all I can do to make a difference
There is FAR TOO much concern for the abusers in the church. It is despicable and furthers the abuse. This sermon turned my stomach in remembrance of the abuse the church heaped upon me as I struggled to escape an abusive relationship.
Right as if forgiveness MEANS reconciling. It does not
I agree. I've been there....and am still dealing with the church turning on me.
But it’s part 2. Part 1was to the abused. It was so healing.
Part 1 to the abused ruclips.net/video/PplqezEaK-A/видео.html
Part 3 to the church ruclips.net/video/ETHom9JtYeg/видео.html
@@shelleyd9910 All very good messages and it's wonderful this Church is covering all aspects of abuse.
Probably one of the best I've heard from a Church on this topic.
I haven't seen many Churches that know how to deal with this topic very well and often make the mistake of defending the abuser and leaving the abused feeling even more isolated. I don't see that this Church does that which is fantastic. We need more like this.
Thanks for sharing the links. 💟🙏
To abuse is to make a choice. To neglect is to make a choice. To lie is to make a choice. To "sin" is to make a choice.
Its all about making a choice!! God forgives CHOICES !! Simple!! No if, ands or buts !!
If you choose to "not forgive" god will choose to "not forgive". Its simple !!
Not rocket science.
This message was AMAZING!!! ...simple
Thank you for sharing God’s word and God Bless you and your family! 🙏🙏🙏
He says "I love you too! I will show you grace at the expense of others because I love you so much and their pain was planned for your good and they can either be happy about it or burn in hell".
I have always Been A LOVER NOT A FIGHTER💖❤️💖❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
God Bless You 💝 Thank You
Thank God for RUclips algorithms.
We are told to avoid abusers.
1Corinthians 5:11
2Timothy 3
I don’t think people go into a romantic relationship looking to be abused. People think that they are not being abused. The abuser doesn’t think the are abusive. Emotional, verbal abuse isn’t obvious so you can’t avoid.
Women especially have been blamed for their own victimization.
No they will be happy when I am gone and me too . Because I pray God’ will tak me home SOON🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Do you have a church that you recommend that is close to Elkton Ky
In the name of Jesus Christ please forgive giving me for being abusive. I have a mental problem because of being mentally abused all my life. It doesn’t excuse my behavior. For those people are no longer alive and I living in hell for how I acted. I repent my sins.
While doing so... hope the abused the one who got hurt get remedy instead of reject by some
He didn't say "look at your victims"--- Abusers have a BIBLICAL COMMAND to evidence Repentance AND make Ammends.
And I know I was one foot in hell I was suicidal for a decade jesus delivered me of those demons I know what I'm talking about not in a prideful way just a matter of fact
Where can I find a church that helps the abused and the abusers?
Time of Grace has compiled a list of resources as a starting point for the abused and abusers: timeofgrace.org/abuse/. We pray some of these resources will provide direction and encouragement! To find a Bible-based church in your area, you can use this church locator tool: yearbook.wels.net/unitsearch.
How do you get away from an abuser?
Here's a link to a series entitled, "Escape an Abusive Relationship:" ruclips.net/video/6ThAIjilM6Y/видео.html. We also have additional resources at www.timeofgrace.org/abuse. Praying some of these may be helpful!
I felt disturbed by the nodding people all masked up. It felt sinister in a church
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Funny because when I tell my spouse about this He gets angry calls ME a demon and says he's going to heaven
Why are y’all not on in the mornings anymore or night time devotional?? I Love these programs 💖🙏🏻
I am sad, my partner gets angry and begins to blame me for being like his brother who manipulated him for over 11 years. He uses the kids as well and makes me out to be the bad guy so he can cover every area because his brother blind sighted him.
I tried to leave and he started blaming me that the kids will get taken. I put my hand up to cover me from his abusive words not touching him and he started getting physical. I prayed and declared enemy get out and he got even worse. He tried Taking my stuff and I tried grabbing it. He pushed me by accident and I flew into the corner of the door. Help me please Jesus😔
We will be praying for you and your kids! Here are some additional resources for you: timeofgrace.org/abuse/. Praying some of these will be helpful.
My husband rage and abuse is far more than what you even said
My husband slits oh mr calls me a fxxxx cxxx and punches me in the head at times no fighting
I’ve been corned I’ve been punched suddenly in the forehead and knocked to the ground
Theirs no honeymoon period
Theirs no no relentense
He was arrested six time broke bail came at me
My cars been broken windows so many times
I even rang the police and said I believe he will kill me
They said you can come and talk to us yet they have never locked him up more than - 1 night
I’ve been In hospital through perforated ear drums
The rage is like a thousand demons comming at me physically huge and a demons comming to war at me that lives in him
I was screamnrd called a fxx. Xxx for forty min in the car shaking I could barely think and I went to bed hungry with the most sickening stomach ache
I’m praying for the supernatural touch and people to surround me as I’m isolated
Please try to get out if you are still there with this man because I care for you even if I don't know you precious women. I understand because I there now. I was rape two time when i was 14 year old when i lived on the street of Toronto. I am very sad you experienced the rape from your husband my heart cries for you😢. I been married for 37 years my husband he verbally abuse me and sometimes time physically. I am lost. Thank you for sharing. God Bless. Dear Jesus put a hedge of protection around this precious women that she will go back to this abuse.
I divorced my abuser. He never said he was sorry but instead blames me and is leading Bible studies. This sermon makes me sick. We need compassion for the abused
Sorry to hear you suffered in an abusive marriage and that the scriptures were twisted to justify abusive behavior. Part of this same series of messages includes "Abuse: What Does God Say to the Abused?" and "Abuse: What Does God Say to the Church?" We have compiled all these videos, along with other resources for victims of abuse here: timeofgrace.org/abuse/. Praying some of these might be helpful or encouraging to you as you heal!
Pastor THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME IN CHURCHES! This happened to me 4 years later that this woman. I was asked by the women’s pastor WHAT I DID?!!!!
I listened this hopeful as one that had been abused. Hopeful, that for once, the church would be on the side of the abused. But no. The church just wishes forgive, give “grace” to the abusers. Disgusting:
I too have been abused and listened with hope. What I heard is grace with a qualifier: "*if* you are ready to own your sin, *if* you repent and turn to Jesus in obedience". Grace is not given when there is no genuine repentance. It is not given to be exploited.
There is also another sermon that is addressed to the abused from the same man. That is worth a look 🙂
I hope and pray you will find comfort and healing and everything you need. God loves you.
Forgive or you will not be forgiven is very serious.
Look at Part 1 to the abused. Very healing. ruclips.net/video/PplqezEaK-A/видео.html
@@rachelhayhurst-mason7846 we who are the abused can become abusers if we do not “guard our hearts” as we heal from the trauma. A hard heart is all it takes and exactly what happened to our abusers to make them that way
@@shelleyd9910 true.
Yet sometimes abusers have truly been abused and sometimes they are simply self centred and/or egotistical, interpreting the "no"s they're given as a personal offense. This inspires vengeful actions toward anyone who offends them.
In a church environment true abusers need confronting and discipline, with grace and forgiveness to be given after a decent amount of time where the fruits of repentance are consistently displayed, both in public and in private.
There has to be qualifications to assess every case or true abuse will go unconfronted and unintended offenses will be punished as 'abuse'.
We all need true wisdom, and that only comes from carefully listening and weighing up the evidence of each case in light of scripture.
Abuse is evil . Avoid evil expose works of darkness.
Did jesus abuse anyone. Ashe is so r we.
Outside may be pagans are
But in jesuschrist one cannot
Shouldnot. . Thankyoujesus
Great* message... but you are asking a lot* of $ at the end.🤔
This guy doesn’t have idea how is to feel the abuser has all the power and they don’t care … sorry this guy is defending the bad guys …. Bye i can’t hear him anymore 😢
Here's what he says: "lol, noobs, I once drowned an entire world, killed of firstborns, make people plunder and rape"
"You guys seriously have more to learn from the best, me."
God says nothing because god does not exist. To think that abusers can be made good again is a fools folly and an abusers play ground. This is plain crazy thinking.
Finding help is hard but it is there. First I talk to a pastor and ask about how he feels about abuse before I ask for help.I having find a church to get involved. God does care.
Would you trust in asking a fox if he would mind sleeping in the hen house tonight? God's do not exist and trusting a paster that bases everything on a diety shown not to existsn is not any better. Just doesn't seem like this plan is well thought out. Always protect yourself, don't outsource your protection to a 3rd party. Own it.