Beloved? Ugh! As a young teens, when this creep visited my school and convinced our heartache we 11 to 16 year olds should do a charity cross country run with him through Roundhay Park, we girls realised what he was like and decided to run in groups at the speed of the slowest in each group. Just as well. Creepy Jim tried his hardest to herd the prettiest girl in each group to run with him solo. Our teachers never believed us when we said we didn't trust him, but we knew what he was. My father had met him previously and also felt he was a "wrong un." He arranged for several friends to be around the park along the route to intervene if necessary. I'm 70 now.and have been a teacher for decades, what Creepy taught me was to accept the gut feelings of children. Kids are often less naive than adults. It was obvious this was a horrible man. I am certain many people in power knew exactly who and what he was. If kids who met him briefly realised, how could they, as adults who knew him well have missed his disgusting innuendos and not have realised what a dangerous and depraved individual he was?
You had the good sense to act on your insincts and drew up a plan to ensure everyone was in a group, good for you. I respect you as a teacher for putting the interests of your pupils as a high priority.
Watching him on Jim'll fix it back in the 80s, I just couldn't wrap my child logical brain around what was wrong with people, unable to what a horrid sleeze he was, not remotely funny nor any charisma! He even looked like he stank to high hell of damp cigarette/cigar smoke... BLUGH!!! My intuition from as young as 8 was bang on! Even when Rolf Harris was convicted of pedophilia, it didn't surprise me, Jim fixed it for Rolf to create a huge Red and Black unnerving art piece, that hung in our middle school assembly hall. (An enormous full hall wall sized painting)
Working at a hospital to explicitly prey on the helpless is almost comically evil. Like, if you wrote a villain who did that, no one would be able to suspend their disbelief Edit: Nevermind, the world is somehow even worse than I thought
Unfortunately, it happens more than you would like to think. Jobs that hold power over helpless/weaker people/animals can be a magnet for creeps. 😔 I kept working as a personal aide for a young man far too deep into my own disability than what was safe. But I feared who would replace me, and how they would treat him when no one was around.
Actually, I disagree. It is something that many people would be able to believe, because quite a few prolific serial killers have been doctors or nurses. I understand what you’re trying to say, but it’s not “comically” evil, it’s very believable evil, actually.
@@cv6442 Also not just creeps or physical abusers but a lot of 'professionals' love the medical power they have over others lives. Especially in mental health and/or learning challenges because if a mentally ill person complains they're pretty easy to discredit.
@thedarkness111 yes... the boy I worked with was almost entirely non-verbal too. This makes the fear even deeper because if something did happen, he would not be able to tell us. 💔 He would likely just have meltdowns, be screaming, bolting, and flopping. People would assume he is just having a really difficult time with his disorders. 😔 It's why we have to always watch out for each other, esp those who may need some extra protecting. 💜
Used to work in healthcare in Buckinghamshire, worked with a lot of people who were working when he'd come and visit children's wards at stoke mandeville etc. All of them said they either got awful vibes or they used to physically hide when he was around. I was too young to be there or really even know who he was, but it blows my mind that such an open secret could go uninvestigated and unpunished for SO many years. So sad.
I wonder if he gave such terrible vibes off to so many people, how he managed to manipulate so many others into giving him high status jobs, keeping his secrets and protecting him. What power did he hold over others?
@@marlyd people with the dark triad are extremely charismatic, generally intelligent, and master manipulators. Plus, it was mostly men who gave him those jobs- women and children were the ones that he prayed on, not men. I guess if you don't have that fear that we have as women, you just don't see it. Everyone i knew who was there was a woman, mostly nurses and HCAs which is a very female dominated industry.
@@marlydMen (and some women) don't care when you warn that someone is creepy. That they seem dangerous. Theyll insist youre doing it out of jealousy. I was sexually harassed twice, almost 3. All by "friends". I know thats NOWHERE near what his victims went through but my harassers felt creepy months before they showed it. Just nobody cared because "they aren't doing anything"
@@colinmcclymont i agree, but honestly what could they have done? Said they got a bad feeling? That they knew he wasn't safe? Who would they even say it to? This whole video has gone into how he was protected and enabled by very famous and influential people :/
I had to work on the TV series ‘The Reckoning’ and it was difficult to work on. I was responsible for looking after the unit base and I will never forget the first time I saw Steve come out of the makeup trailer in full makeup and prosthetics, and it was very sinister. It took me a few days to get used to it and I know that it affected Steve greatly with having to portray this monster. I was able to meet some of his victims as they were a pivotal part of telling the story. It’s truly devastating that he never had to face justice for his disgusting actions. My heart and thoughts go out to every single person who was affected by this absolute monster
@@RachelOateshi there, can you please explain in detail how u managed to get that book for free.?? If u no longer want it I'd pay postage for you to send it to me...I would love to read it as I myself would like to do a docu on it...if u click my face to the left there then scroll down til u find my Jimmy savile poem..I'm currently in process of updating it and making it more video friendly. Thanks for your time..great video by the way, you have done a great job and it's a credit to you.
More disturbing is the establishment that sheltered him IS STILL HERE. Let's talk about child abuse current in UK today shielded by the police (for a start).
I dunno, if you’re referencing things like top of the pops, they’d just be normal kids/teens grateful to be on tv and even if they disagreed they’d just sheepishly go along with it and nervously laugh Just past a clip of who’s line is it anyway and he cracked a joke about still wrestling and being “still feared in every girls school” - the laugher track played but as the camera flipped around nobody was laughing They all knew what he was like and just let it carry on 🤬
@@thisperson5294 and?? Russell Brand never used main media and/or powerful friends in high places to cover up his sexual encounters! And he never forced any minors into any kind of sexual activity.
Now we live in misandrist times so nothing ever changes . Evil people exist back then it was men and now its women. Sad really we can never break the cycle
As someone who made a similar length video last year attempting to wrap my head around the sheer darkness of his psychology, I know exactly how it gets to you. It's really horrible stuff to be reading about and watching interviews and it too affected my dreams. I didn't think to go to the lengths of reading his book, either, so I hope you take a good rest to put it behind you for a bit. My girlfriend grew up in Leeds with her mum a nurse in the hospital there. The amount of anecdotes or stories of things people had seen or heard or had a vague sense of. I think people often look on Savile and act like it's from some other time now. Like the suffering he caused affected people from some different reality that's long gone, but so, so much of it is still felt by so many people today. Whilst I too have a lot of issues with the recent drama I do commend them for including interviews from the survivors.
@@mylittlethoughttreeI watched your video when it came out, and it really helped me come to terms with my own sexual abuse at the hands of my father. I think I commented on the video also. He was also a well-respected and beloved figure in the community, and it took me 30 years to realise that didn't mean that he was a good man and I was an awful child. I got some therapy since then, and realised that there's nothing so bad that a 6-year-old child could do that would warrant a grown man doing the things he did to me. Thank you so much for your video, it helped me SO muchv❤
@@tazandalsoalastname I tried to look for it just now, couldn't find the comment but that's likely my eyes just missing it when I scrolled through. Thank you, though. It's so awful the way it can make people like they deserved it or that it was their fault or they're bad. I think it's equally awful the way culture, even today in 2023, can make that even worse and then even harder to people to come to terms with it but there is always hopefully still the space for people to find their way with the right support. In that sense, it's always really, really heartening to hear of people moving forwards, knowing how incredibly difficult that can be. I think there's a kind of heroism within that. Thank you for saying, though. I never know if my videos make any difference. Not in the sense of doubting myself, just I often try not to get caught up thinking about it because I think I'd lose a bit of sincerity if I was making videos just going "what's a video that would help people?" rather than following what I genuinely feel passionate to talk about each week...but in that sense, it does mean a lot to hear if I've done something positive, even in a small way. Especially when I remember how uneasy I felt about tackling a subject like that and how people would feel about it. I have a tendency to ramble a lot in replies to comments but I'm really glad to hear you're doing well :)
I heard someone say on another video that he groomed a nation. It’s true and that’s terrifying. We need to reassess our attitude as a society towards celebrities, hold them account to the same laws we have to abide by.
Watching him on Jim'll fix it back in the 80s, I just couldn't wrap my child logical brain around what was wrong with people, unable to what a horrid sleeze he was, not remotely funny nor any charisma! He even looked like he stank to high hell of damp cigarette/cigar smoke... BLUGH!!! My intuition from as young as 8 was bang on! Even when Rolf Harris was convicted of pedophilia, it didn't surprise me, Jim fixed it for Rolf to create a huge Red and Black unnerving art piece, that hung in our middle school assembly hall. (An enormous full hall wall sized painting) The Club members all hide in plain sight.
I remember when my uni professor said that back when the Yorkshire ripper was at large, they made a mould of Saviles teeth, as bite marks were left on a lot of the female victims. Shows the police knew something was going on for them to even suspect him in the first place...
I know what immediately came to my mind when he talked about sitting with his mother’s corpse and no longer needing to share her with anyone. Whew, that man was disgusting.
I suppose the fact that he was so obvious about it also stopped people coming forward. A victim of abuse is going to think "Whats the point" when they see these blatant confessions with no consequence.
I love how many cuddly and cute things are around Rachel, because my God you need them when talking about this absolute demon. Love you and Kira! This was fascinating, thank you so much for your brave deep dive. Don't forget that reading, hearing, and immersing yourself in horrible stories like Saville's can be harmful. Take care of yourselves!
Most Americans had no idea either. I was on my own little island over here with my absolute shock and disgust. Savile was a uniquely British star. There is no reason you would have heard of him without going to the UK between '70s to the '90s, and watching a fair amount of TV.
It seems bizarre as a Brit to hear that someone has never heard of him, when he is one of the most notoriously evil men in British history. I guess it had never occurred to me that he is a uniquely British monster
I watched this with great interest as I was a child of the Savile era, but not just that my dad worked with him at Bradford Pit in Manchester. So, when I was young, if he came on TV, or Cyril Smith, my dad would say "get that paedophile off TV," followed by him getting up and switching channels. I never knew what the word meant and it kind of left me. I remember the several times I watched the Manchester Marathon and he’d grab girls at the side of the road, I thought it was odd behaviour. One Day I was working away in Aylesbury, I was in a restaurant called Carlos's and I heard 2 voices, one I thought I had heard before, but I didn’t turn around to look, when he passed my table he looked over and said, “You are in the company of somebody famous.” I realised who it was and ignored him, this angered him so much he spent all the time moaning to his friend that I had not acknowledged him. When I left I looked across and flipped a ‘V’ at him. After his death I remember the fuss given to him, almost like a state funeral that narked me as being a republican. I hate pomp and circumstances like that. In the summer of 2015 I saw a play at the Park Theatre in London called ‘An Audience With Jimmy Savile’ by Jonathan Maitland, containing research from the book 'In Plain Sight' by Dan Davies, Savile was played by Alistair McGowan and the portrait was so scary, but the most upsetting thing was at the end the number of people sat in their seats crying, I had a lump in my throat and intended to go to a bar after the show before hitting my hotel, I couldn’t do it, I just wanted to lie down.
I am so ready to hear Rachel's take on Jimmy Savile, I watched the Netflix doc on him and felt like I was missing context. I know Rachel will do the subject justice!
@@mikalcarruthers I’ve watched Netflix one, not going to lie, it took me several attempts to finish it I was so disgusted. Haven’t watched the bbc one. I think I need a break to calm down because of personal ptsd. Such a shitbag he was.
As a survivor who will never fully come to terms with what happened to me, I offer my thanks to thoughtful people like yourself for highlighting which was and still is an endemic problem in society, in this instance in the media. Often people fail to acknowledge the obvious dark side of so-called "pick up artists" and that they are basically rapists, thank you for including this in your video. I couldn't watch The Reckoning beyond the first 15 minutes, so I'm also grateful to yourself and other RUclipsrs for taking that hit and to Steve Coogan and the team behind the drama for his sensitive portrayal of that monster, and for giving victims a voice. Sadly victims are often forgotten in the glare and speculation surrounding high profile crimes, perpetrated by people like Saville. So here's to all the innocents who suffered and are suffering and here's hoping we find lasting peace and a greater understanding of how we can identify and even prevent further suffering and deal with people like Saville appropriately and swiftly. No one should be above the law, but that's perhaps a story for another day. We can all do our bit, I started by bringing up my son's with the help of their father to respect other people, and I can see that at work in their lives now, the cycle is broken ❤
Imagine a world in which LGBT humans are ostracized and shamed, but power structures support and enable literal child abuse. That is the world we live in. Thank you so much for staring that reality in the face. No one deserves to have nightmares, but with a little knowledge we can create a safer world for everyone.
Another note; people want to draw a dichotomy between nature and nurture. Like one is more important than the other somehow. Both exist, right? I think both must be relevant.
One of the witnesses said ''There was no talent''.This is true. Why did the BBC go to such lengths to protect a wrongdoer who didn't even have anything to offer?
If they sacked him he'd probably have been on the phone to Thatcher or a tabloid editor. He'd probably have done similar if he wasn't offered jim'll fix it.
I have a feeling he was fulfilling an "epstein" role, there's many reports of other men with him, he was likely protected because he procured girls for powerful men
I feel so bad for girls, women, and femme presenting people, especially in the 70s. It seems to come down to pure luck in not coming into contact with predators, because treating women/femmes as less than human was/is the norm. The people who didn't say similar things that Jimmy did in interviews and his book were outliers in his day.
ik u probably mean well with the whole “women/femmes” thing but pls just say ppl who experience misogyny. or at least spell it fem. “Femme” is a lesbian label (as in Butch/Femme) and implying that only femmes experience misogyny has some rly gross connotations
@@whirlsbianFemme absolutely is not a specifically lesbian label. Anyone can be butch or femme. It was for anyone who was lgbt, not just lesbians and claiming it as specifically a lesbian term is harmful and erases the history of the term for bisexuals and even gay men (yes I have heard older, like 40+, gay men referring to themselves as butch or femme, though usually fem. it's their term too). please stop spreading this morning misinformation that isolates the community from each other
@@myheartismadeofstars I love how quick you are to accuse a lesbian of lateral aggression and dismiss what they have to say /s. 40+ isn’t old, and even if it were, if anything that just lends itself to lesbian terms being co-opted for quite some time. also. even in a universe where it isn’t a lesbian specific term, using it like OP did still implies that butches dont experience misogyny? which isn’t true. thus, my comment. that being said, im not going to engage with someone who immediately jumps to attack instead of a meaningful conversation. have a good day
@@whirlsbian Femme means woman in French and it's the root of the word "feminine". Femme presenting people is like Masc representative people, it's a diminutive for feminine. It's lesbians calling themselves "femmes" that don't make sense (especially for French-speaking people, sounds like you are the "woman" in a queer relationship)
I've taken an interest in this particular unmasking of what was a truly prolific predator in our midst. However, I'm not in any way surprised by how this guy was able to hoodwink and gaslight the public for so long, only to have his absolutely monstrous crimes uncovered after his death. The period during which he was A) at the height of his popularity and power and B) committing his crimes against his victims (crimes committed not with near-impunity, but with absolute impunity), that era was rife with the kind of abuse of a celebrities' position of influence and power. It was endemic to the system. What mystifies me is that we haven't uncovered even more of these predators, because they were not so much a bug in the system as it existed then, they were a feature. These scumbags were an integral component of the celebrity culture that prevailed at that time...and to some extent, still does prevail. Jimmy Savile is merely one of far, far too many who were (and remain) just like him.
How big an interest..????? You want to know the truth??? It isn't in the reckoning, in the media or on tv. You've got to search. Read the operation yewtree reports and look at the facts. You'll be shocked.....but not for the reason you think.
I also find it quite an interesting example of how he’d cling to anyone with status regardless of who they were. Thatcher absolutely screwed over working class Yorkshire and in particular miners - exactly the area Jimmy grew up in and used to be a miner himself. Yet he put all that aside so he could cling on to her power and protection. It’s disgusting.
@@RachelOates i think its the book "Men at arms" by Terry Pratchett, but it has this section about how if someone will commit a crime against an animal they'll do it to a human too. And I know he didn't do anything to a dog, but I think it still helps to explain the situation. If someone is friends with an openly awful person, they're probably doing some pretty awful things in private. Or at the very least not willing to help others if their friend does something.
Ive been obsessed with Savile recently too trying to figure out how he did this for so long and got away with it As a child growing up in the system i would literally beg everyone i could to write in to jimmy fix it but at the time i was disappointed that no one would to it Now the whole rhing has me scratching my head because now its so obvious when you see it you cant unsee it 😢
@peterolley7159 it's difficult to process when I was growing up Savile was everyone's hero and now all you see from his life is lies and abuse Now the truth is out you see it everywhere In his mannerisms in the way he speaks and how he acts in the company of young girls For 50 years he ruined the lives of so many it's enough to make you sick Personally hope he burns in hell
@@peterolley7159I can't speak to this man beyond what is explained here. but, the older I get the more I realize that monsters almost always tell you who they are and what they're doing, you just have to _listen_ to what they're saying.
I remember being at primary school and we'd all be talking about jim'll fix it in the playground and about writing in. I'd pretty much forgotten about him until that Louis Theroux interview, watched it and the alarm bells started going off in my head.
Personality disorders aren't something you are born with, it's something you get because of trauma and abuse as a child. MENTAL ILL PEOPLE AREN'T "BORN EVIL". It's not his mental illness that made him a predator, it's him not acting to be better. Narcissists, psychopaths, sociopaths, antisocials, they can all be good members of society who don't hurt others. Their brain work differently because it has been harmed in its early development. People do evil because they want to and do not work on themselves. Thinking that evil is born and that evil can only be done by mental ill people will blind you to your own faults and the faults of the people you care about. I'm mental ill, and because I am, everyone excuse my mother's abuse toward me. I have never hurt anyone, I just work differently, but I had to hear again and again how hard it must have been for my mother to raise me and I should think about how it affected her instead of me. It doesn't matter how hard it is for me to survive in a world not made for my brain, because her feelings, as someone seen as mentally healthy, is more important than my well-being. I wasn't born this way (I was still born neurodivergent, the reason why the abuse got worse toward me than my siblings), my mother made me this way, but it's use against me, as if it's my fault I'm being treated this way and I never deserved the same motherly love other children get. Putting mental ill people in those boxes of "evil" lead to treating all of us as inferiors and to children like me, who are raised by parents that refused to show them love because "you are a monster and you will kill us all" (My mother's own words)
While I agree the majority of personality disorders are created by the environment you are raised in, that's not always the case, some people are born damaged..."evil" if you will. From Twin studies we can see how much of an impact the environment has on people and its not as much as you would think - it seems people are born "broken" and it's the environment that triggers the genes to activate. This is why people can have the same upbringing yet become radically different people. I'm a narcissist - I don't believe my upbringing caused this disorder. My environment may have triggered the genes to cause it, but I was born with narcissism all ready there waiting to be activated. Twin studies are fascinating, they show just how much of our personality is way beyond our (or our environment's) control- IQ, sexuality, personality and a million other things are hard wired from birth. They either stay hidden or they wait to get triggered by our environment.
Then there's cases where a person had loving parents and a supportive community, but they still end up as monsters because that's just how their brain is formed. The eternal question: nature, nurture, or both? And if both, to what extent is each?
Rachel you are the most open minded caring woman on youtube he did all his dirty work bhind the scenes he did despicable thing's while all the thing's for charity love you're videos rachel you are not afraid of the tough topics
38:55 obviously this is the least of our issues here, but discos were largely conceived and popularized by queer people of color in the late 60s and 70s, so he most certainly had no hand in any of that
I feel like he's murdered someone. That smug "I knew who had done it, but no-one asked me" sounds like the same kind of almost confessions he makes throughout the book. Do I think he murdered someone at 12 and cut them up? No, but I do feel like he was confessing to something there. Well later he straight up confesses to crimes, the 6 "body guards" thing is disgusting.
@@arglebargle23fnord They found a body near where Saville operated and one that Ripper denied killing. Sutcliffe had boasted about who he'd killed yet denied this one. Some people think it could have been Saville. Who knows?!
@@romaniesophie5035 I'm not sure tbh. It was a while ago that I read articles about that. Hope your forgive me but i personally don't particularly want to delve back into this topic atm. 👍
This man was so evil and you did an amazing job of explaining all of his actions, however, i don’t think he was hiding in plain sight- i don’t think he was hiding at all- i think he was blatantly doing gross and horrible things, joking about them publicly, and having his powerful friends protect him. That scumbag felt so confident being gross he didn’t even try to hide his behavior.
I was a child of the late 70s-80s, and there was always something that made my stomach turn when he was on the telly. Never watched his programmes then, and even back then adults would say something similar. I have two friends that I know of that were on JFI, they have the badges and everything, both girls. Both of them were not that keen to go on, there parents contacted Jim, there parents made up the “wish” they wanted to come true. I wonder how much of the cover up was because kid’s ill-ease was ignored.
I'm a similar age and I remember thinking about writing to JFI about a couple of things I wouldn't get to do any other way. Obviously I wasn't that struck with them, because the idea that I'd have to sit on his knee was enough to put me off. Just - eww!
Your mom calling him a “ dirty old man “ before it had publicly come out that he was in fact a defendant predator reminds me of the story my mom told me about our former neighbor who ended up being arrested for possession of elicit images of minors . I was a toddler then so I don’t remember it , but apparently she always had a feeling about him and would never let him near me . Even before he was actually put on the registry. Good job mom , if only she felt that way about the teacher who she is friends with who sexually harassed me repeatedly. I told her, but my mom just made excuses for that person.
When people are brave enough to tell about SA commited against them, we owe them the basic respect of believing them, just like we believe people, when they tell us about someone breaking into their home.
Well, that's the problem . The police, the NSPCC, the CPS and the staffers on Yewtree all had a culture of believing anything they were told. It proved embarrassing a bit later when so many of the Saville accusations were proven to be false. Didn't have that in the reckoning did they? And all the commenters on here forgetting it. Look it up, Nearly a hundred alleged saville "victims" were just liars chasing the money. They're the real criminals because any genuine victims were overshadowed.
The way Kyra looks at you is far too wholesome for the subject of the video. You did a great job in your research. The fact he got away with it is despicable, and I sorely hope some higher power is seeing he exists in torment on another plane for his crimes.
“I believe all girls are 2000 years old when their born” This guy was using the lolicon excuse of the “1000 year old dragon girl who looks 8” all the way back in the 70’s. WTF!
The fact he makes lolicons seem more normal than him 🤢. At least they pretend its normal as long as theyre of age regardless of appearance, but hes not even trying to hide and pull that card
For what it's worth, I don't associate him with any particular place or region. For me, the worst aspect of this whole affair is the huge number of people who colluded to facilitate and perpetuate his abuse have avoided answering for what they have done. If anything, they're worse than him because they had the opportunity to stop him. Who are they protecting now? How much abuse are they facilitating?
I definitely think he's objectifying the woman who preyed on him as a coping mechanism in adulthood. It sounds like he rewrites history as an adult to try to be the predator so he doesn't have to be the victim. I have all the sympathy you can have for an abused child for him there and I have no complicated feelings for how he talks about her. But that doesn't excuse his later actions
In Germany there is a law that is referred to as "unterlassene Hilfeleistung" which punishes people for looking away when someone is in need. While I don't think it refers to looking away when a crime is committed to someone (there are caveats about not putting yourself in danger) I can't stop thinking about it in this context. So many people who knew, who saw the victims. How awful it must feel to be a child waiting for an adult to help them, step in but no one is.. All you get is sideway glances and whispers
Im not surprised a book like that would get published. If you listen to the lyrics of a lot of songs from that time seemingly confess a lot of the same things, and they are still played on the radio today. You're not going to get Steven Tyler, Anthony Kiedis or others who are doing the same things calling him out.
A few years ago I heard a song called playing in a large chain music store. It was two rappers, one white. About getting a girl drunk and forcing her to - I phoned to complain. I said, "Would you play that track if it was about a boy?" But that was seen as acceptable in the 2000s.
A similar thing happened with Don Bourke, an Australian celebrity gardener. I remember telling my mum (I might have been around 6 or 7) that I didn't like him. Mum dismissed it as he became popular around the same time something pretty bad happened to me. Anyway, 25yrs later, people started coming out about how creepy he was.
Everyone who protected and enabled this vile man is complicit and I hope they live in misery. I would hope they all feel guilty but they probably won't.
Well... maybe. But I've seen recent research that strongly suggests that the cause/effect relationship is the other way round: that people who are genetically predisposed to have PDs end up having more adverse experiences growing up (mainly more risk-taking behaviour, but I assume growing up with parents who have similar issues for the same reason would also be a factor)
I met Jimmy Saville when I was a toddler, apparently he came up to me and starting talking to me like people do with babies, at the time my mother thought nothing of it, thought it was a fun little story more than anything else, though looking back its just weird. I know that that's not an isolated incident either as other people I know have the same story too. It just shows that companies like the BBC should be blamed for protecting predators like Savile, if they and other powers hadn't protected him so many people could have been saved from being abused by him.
While these guys were vile they pale into comparison compared to a guy that sexually abused over 500 individuals over the course of decades. Its hard to get my head round 😵💫
And some got away with it. Same as others, in other parts of the world. Cosby did it for 4 or 5 decades, saw the serie about him. I'm afraid also hundreds or more victims 😯 And now he's free. What a ludacriss world we live in 🤔
The “joke” is supposed to be that he can only win in wrestling when fighting against “weak” female children. Though it certainly loses the original meaning once you learn anything about the man
As you talk about his teen years working in clubs while still at school. I was in the same position. It left me very vulnerable...but I never considered using those experiences as an excuse ro be hardhearted. I do think he was born that way and it wa then developed by the circumstances around him. He was incapable of having compassion for others.
American here: I had no idea who he was until I learned of the scandal. But I agree with Rachel; I can't understand why he was ever popular. I mean, I'm not saying I would have KNOWN, but nothing I've seen suggested he was anything other than utterly repellant.
Bless people like you. I think I’ve heard of you in the video-essayist sphere before, but this is the first video of yours I’ve seen, and I just want you to know how appreciated you spreading this knowledge is. Having someone else tell me about what’s in a book like that seems to allow a level of separation, at least for me, where I can still feel deep empathy for the victims and rage at the criminal monster, but at less of a mental cost then it seems to do to people who do videos on subjects like this. So I just want to thank you again for being a person strong enough and brave enough to put yourself through something like that to disseminate important knowledge like this. Through people like you, greater numbers can learn of these things that have been hidden for too long, even if they may not have the mental fortitude you do.
I'm so glad Kira is there as you went through this book, she's the best girl providing emotional support and palet cleansers between sections of this sicko's story.
There's a book Irvine Welsch wrote in the early 90s where he basically outs Saville by writing a fictional story about a character who is clearly identified as Saville. Clearly his behaviour was known about even then.
@@anntaylor-ellis5780 the book is called 'Ecstacy' by Irving Welsh , the story is 'Lorraine Goes to Livingston' and the character is called Freddy Royle
A word of warning about the other two stories in the book, and to some extent his other books, tend to be quite traumatic to read depending on your personal disposition.
To this day, Colin Baker (Doctor Who's Sixth Doctor) delivered still the best comment regarding Saville. He guest starred as the Doctor in a Jim'll Fix It episode and they did a joke where Saville's face appears on the TARDIS monitor and Colin comments: "It's revolting." Years later when questioned about this joke, he said that he still stays by his original comment.
about the 20 year old woman: he's disgusting, but still deserves the compassion of a victim in that situation. when its adult women w male children, the dynamics are very different. at the time that he was 12, age gaps were... blegh. anyway, that's the mindset that is often being preyed upon even nowadays. just a couple years ago a teacher got fired for hooking up w a student and I heard MANY guys in the following years referencing it as if it were an accomplishment. I think it's gross that he objectified her, but not surprising
Something that seems to be a pattern - he wrapped 'confessional' stories with hyperbole - It's certain he didn't jump from a window, but the presence of that detail makes the rest seem like it's hyperbole too. Enough, without context, to be dismissed as 'Oh, that's just Jimmy' when, really it's awfully dark.
This is such a disturbing video to watch. My dad met Jimmy Savile once on a cruise ship (my dad was an officer so part of the crew). He said that Jimmy wore a weird gold tracksuit to a black tie evening and that after talking to him he just made him feel uneasy. My dad even described him as a dirty old man to me when I was a kid seeing him praised on TV before he died. Funnily enough my dad was born in Leeds too, but grew up in the North East. Considering how many people saw how vile he was, I don't understand how it was covered up for so long. Also it's lovely to see sweet Kira, just watching her jump up to give you loves is much needed eyebleach.
A workmate said he used to approach her and her friends as 14 year olds and try to smarm around them, offering rides in his Rolls Royce. His ways were well known in this northern coastal town.
about the date with the 20 yr old woman when he was 12 and whether he deserves sympathy because he objectified her - speaking from personal experience with csa there never was a perfect victim. he obviously grew up to be a perpetrator and this does not excuse that but i would be careful about denying him victimhood as a child. regardless of how a child reacts to abuse or what type of person they grow up to be, they are still a victim in that situation and the adult is always in the wrong. kids can come across very mature but its always surface level and just a poor imitation of how they see adults behave around them. just my thoughts based on my experience of it
I know exactly what you mean about getting a bad vibe from him. I always felt that way even though I didn't actually know who he was until he died. I think there's something dark in his eyes that just tells on him. He doesn't look safe. I don't know, something about him reminds me of people like Fred West or Ian Brady... Says it all really, doesn't it?
Very worth looking into how the BBC dealt with covering up the Newsnight episode and historical abuse until after he died. Also, because of it they forced the "BBC Trust" to close and restructure but still a lot of people at ofcom and who have worked in government work at the BBC so they have the power to just get by without more than a slap on the wrist. Just look at how Russel Brand and Saville talked to eachother on air too.
I don't remember one person saying Savile was creepy back on the seventies and eighties, when I was growing up. I think most people thought he was odd, but kind hearted. You have to remember years ago people didn't take everything so literally, and people embraced eccentricity. I think Savile wasn't the only one at the BBC like it. There was a culture back then. He was perhaps the most heavy handed, though. The BBC are only interested in covering their own shortcomings
Absolutely. I was a kid in the 70s and he never creeped me out. There were so many eccentric performers. It was a common thing. I found him just another boring TV star. It is harmful to suggest "everyone knew he was a creep" because that hides the fact that abusers are usually perfectly accepted by society.
as someone who's grown up and lives in chicago and we have a preditor from here who's now in jail (sounds like tar smelly) its been rough when growing up as a child i liked his inspirational song but later found out from an older cousin what type of nonesense he was up to. later on friends of mine would telle me stories of him hanging out at the high schools they were at and rock and roll mcdonalds and plotting on vunerable youth. I didn't support him after learning this and i was seen as a weirdo for a long time. When he got off scott free at his first trial my friends and I were dismayed that he'd never see reprocussions. I'm glad he's in jail thanks to the work of his survivors and journalists who didn't stop, but i feel bad that it took so long because so many people up top enabled his preying on the vunerability of kids. My heart goes out to the victims/survivors of jimmy's terror, i'm sad that they never saw that monster in jail for his crimes.
gentle advice that when you're focusing on something this dark, especially in an almost compulsive manner (trust me, I've been there), to take care of yourself. don't fixate on it to the point of neglecting your other interests or your own mental health. talk to people - talk out the things that are getting to you about it, talk about the weather, just make sure you're getting out of your own head for a bit. sometimes we underestimate the emotional toll these things can take on us, so remember to be kind to yourself.
@@dangermouse4871 I can imagine Hugh "I'll reserve the funeral plot next to Marilyn Monroe's years in advance so I can sleep with her for eternity" Hefner going "Dude WTF?" to Savile's grossness.
I feel sad and sickend about the terrible things he did to all those young girls, and what is worse he even abused young boys, such as that poor sweet boy Kevin, that made me cry.😢
At the time (until he retired ~1986), my grandfather was the head foreman for all of the BBC's London properties. It was s job to ensure the smooth running of those buildings, from the auditoriums and recording studios to warehouses, White City and Broadcasting House. We would frequently visit our grandparents at the weekend, and invariably, Jim'll Fix It would be chosen (by us kids), and my grandfather would quietly storm out of the room (he rarely showed anger). It never clocked at the time, I only ever thought he was annoyed at having to miss whatever was on BBC2 or LWT, but decades later I realised that he MUST have heard the rumours but didn't have the agency to do anything about it.
My Grandad was from Glasshouses and Pately Bridge, and got his position at the BBC after finishing his 22 years army service, leaving after changing the way the armed forces did its accounting (he was a Quartermaster) and earning the BEM for it.
I feel this book of his and his entire existence was a «how far can I take this». He were fully aware of how bad he was, and that no one did anything to stop him, so he just went for it because he could. It’s disgusting. How bad I feel for the victims💔 I truly wish they had/have time to recover, and/or have recovered and are living a good life in spite of all this… (I am being a bit vague since there probably are more victims, and some may have passed away by now)
It doesn't help that volunteering is not regulated, or the security implications of a volunteer not being screened for previous offences. Volunteers are ina position of trust, which is what his Narcissism and Machiavellianism would have looked for. He hacked a human's propensity to not question the trusting of volunteers who want to 'do good' whilst also using compromising information about other humans as leverage. I've been watching videos from HG Tudor recently. Very interesting if you want to go down that dark alley of narcissistic psychopathic behaviour and outlook. You WILL need a strong mind and stomach for it, though.
The problem was the girls stayed silent because they were afraid that if it went to court saviles lawyers would have made minced meat of them. He could afford to get the best lawyers in the country to fight his case.
Here in the u.s we have our own jimmy savile, Phil Spector. He was a music business tycoon who had a lot of connections. Because of this he was able to get away with the most horrific abuse and even murder
I'm from the US and never heard of him until now. Its disturbing how one person can choose to do such horrible things and how he got away with it. Take care of yourself, Rachel and other watchers, this topic is pretty horrible and can be really bad for mental and emotional health too.
I'm not currently in a place where I can watch this, but I just wanted to say that I think it's very cool that you're covering this. It's important to talk about, and I appreciate the work you've put in.
My mother was born in 1947 and she revered the man. I never understood why. I told her that I don't like the way he looks. AND that I don't want to watch him. She would go on about how the Royals loved him and how they couldn't possibly EVER be wrong. What did I know anyway, he was a hero and helped so many people. Yeah... well my gut reaction was clearly correct. And she wasn't.
This is gross... Feels horrible that it never went public, that he was able to do those things for decades... Good that the victims got some platform to talk about it now but he never had to answer to those things... 😢
Im 64 so remember him from the early days, even as a child her creeped me out, but no idea when very young why by the time I hit my teens I realised why ' dirty old man vibe ' He did pull the wool over many people's eyes with his charity work, he did virtually save Stoke Mandeville hospital people saw the charity work, plus back then children were not taken notice of, and he did go for those least likely to be believed.
32:41 I hate this train of thought: lots of women get abused and SA amd yet it doesnt turn us into monsters!!! Stop. Making. Excuses. For. Men-monsters!!!!! Boo hoo he had a "bad" childhood?? Waaaaahhh!!
Rachel I was watching TV during pretty much the height of his success and fame and he creeped me out too. Actually it was because of his creepiness why I got the jokes about him before the extent of his activities broke after his death - is why I'm prepared to believe that the people writing about him didn't need to be aware of his activities because he was so creepy anyway. Other media predators such as Stuart Hall stuck me as creepy too
Beloved? Ugh!
As a young teens, when this creep visited my school and convinced our heartache we 11 to 16 year olds should do a charity cross country run with him through Roundhay Park, we girls realised what he was like and decided to run in groups at the speed of the slowest in each group. Just as well. Creepy Jim tried his hardest to herd the prettiest girl in each group to run with him solo.
Our teachers never believed us when we said we didn't trust him, but we knew what he was. My father had met him previously and also felt he was a "wrong un." He arranged for several friends to be around the park along the route to intervene if necessary.
I'm 70 now.and have been a teacher for decades, what Creepy taught me was to accept the gut feelings of children. Kids are often less naive than adults.
It was obvious this was a horrible man. I am certain many people in power knew exactly who and what he was. If kids who met him briefly realised, how could they, as adults who knew him well have missed his disgusting innuendos and not have realised what a dangerous and depraved individual he was?
You had the good sense to act on your insincts and drew up a plan to ensure everyone was in a group, good for you. I respect you as a teacher for putting the interests of your pupils as a high priority.
Just watching him on the telly as a kid gave me the creeps. Glad you and your school friends had your wits about you.
Watching him on Jim'll fix it back in the 80s, I just couldn't wrap my child logical brain around what was wrong with people, unable to what a horrid sleeze he was, not remotely funny nor any charisma!
He even looked like he stank to high hell of damp cigarette/cigar smoke... BLUGH!!!
My intuition from as young as 8 was bang on! Even when Rolf Harris was convicted of pedophilia, it didn't surprise me, Jim fixed it for Rolf to create a huge Red and Black unnerving art piece, that hung in our middle school assembly hall. (An enormous full hall wall sized painting)
@@MrsGypsumFantasticMy mum said the same. She hated when Savile was on TV.
@@Steve14psshe wasn’t a teacher yet, she was in the group of girls.
Working at a hospital to explicitly prey on the helpless is almost comically evil. Like, if you wrote a villain who did that, no one would be able to suspend their disbelief
Edit: Nevermind, the world is somehow even worse than I thought
Unfortunately, it happens more than you would like to think. Jobs that hold power over helpless/weaker people/animals can be a magnet for creeps. 😔
I kept working as a personal aide for a young man far too deep into my own disability than what was safe. But I feared who would replace me, and how they would treat him when no one was around.
Actually, I disagree. It is something that many people would be able to believe, because quite a few prolific serial killers have been doctors or nurses. I understand what you’re trying to say, but it’s not “comically” evil, it’s very believable evil, actually.
It's unfortunately very common.
@@cv6442 Also not just creeps or physical abusers but a lot of 'professionals' love the medical power they have over others lives. Especially in mental health and/or learning challenges because if a mentally ill person complains they're pretty easy to discredit.
@thedarkness111 yes... the boy I worked with was almost entirely non-verbal too.
This makes the fear even deeper because if something did happen, he would not be able to tell us. 💔
He would likely just have meltdowns, be screaming, bolting, and flopping. People would assume he is just having a really difficult time with his disorders. 😔
It's why we have to always watch out for each other, esp those who may need some extra protecting. 💜
The way her dog looks at her is so sweet and admiring - a ray of sunshine in a serious, well made & heartbreaking video
and the little grunts xD
Kyra is so cute 🥰
so true hehehehe
Her dog is basically our morale officer for this horrible (though very well-made and, frankly, bravely done) video.
Used to work in healthcare in Buckinghamshire, worked with a lot of people who were working when he'd come and visit children's wards at stoke mandeville etc. All of them said they either got awful vibes or they used to physically hide when he was around. I was too young to be there or really even know who he was, but it blows my mind that such an open secret could go uninvestigated and unpunished for SO many years. So sad.
I wonder if he gave such terrible vibes off to so many people, how he managed to manipulate so many others into giving him high status jobs, keeping his secrets and protecting him. What power did he hold over others?
@@marlyd people with the dark triad are extremely charismatic, generally intelligent, and master manipulators. Plus, it was mostly men who gave him those jobs- women and children were the ones that he prayed on, not men. I guess if you don't have that fear that we have as women, you just don't see it. Everyone i knew who was there was a woman, mostly nurses and HCAs which is a very female dominated industry.
@@marlydMen (and some women) don't care when you warn that someone is creepy. That they seem dangerous. Theyll insist youre doing it out of jealousy.
I was sexually harassed twice, almost 3. All by "friends". I know thats NOWHERE near what his victims went through but my harassers felt creepy months before they showed it. Just nobody cared because "they aren't doing anything"
Why are all these people jumping in shouting how they knew but said hee haw bugger aw
@@colinmcclymont i agree, but honestly what could they have done? Said they got a bad feeling? That they knew he wasn't safe? Who would they even say it to? This whole video has gone into how he was protected and enabled by very famous and influential people :/
I had to work on the TV series ‘The Reckoning’ and it was difficult to work on. I was responsible for looking after the unit base and I will never forget the first time I saw Steve come out of the makeup trailer in full makeup and prosthetics, and it was very sinister. It took me a few days to get used to it and I know that it affected Steve greatly with having to portray this monster.
I was able to meet some of his victims as they were a pivotal part of telling the story. It’s truly devastating that he never had to face justice for his disgusting actions.
My heart and thoughts go out to every single person who was affected by this absolute monster
Thank you so much for sharing your experience with this!
@@RachelOateshi there, can you please explain in detail how u managed to get that book for free.?? If u no longer want it I'd pay postage for you to send it to me...I would love to read it as I myself would like to do a docu on it...if u click my face to the left there then scroll down til u find my Jimmy savile poem..I'm currently in process of updating it and making it more video friendly. Thanks for your time..great video by the way, you have done a great job and it's a credit to you.
Rachel is brilliant.
More disturbing is the establishment that sheltered him IS STILL HERE. Let's talk about child abuse current in UK today shielded by the police (for a start).
Exactly
THANK YOU
The police, the BBC, the government, individual politicians etc etc etc
Well said. Most people don’t realise just how deep this goes.
Prince Andrew anyone 😢
What saddens me is that the views at the time were so pervasively misogynistic that you can hear women laughing when he talks dismissively about women
Different times
I dunno, if you’re referencing things like top of the pops, they’d just be normal kids/teens grateful to be on tv and even if they disagreed they’d just sheepishly go along with it and nervously laugh
Just past a clip of who’s line is it anyway and he cracked a joke about still wrestling and being “still feared in every girls school” - the laugher track played but as the camera flipped around nobody was laughing
They all knew what he was like and just let it carry on 🤬
@@lyliavix4366Women are defending Russell Brand
@@thisperson5294 and?? Russell Brand never used main media and/or powerful friends in high places to cover up his sexual encounters! And he never forced any minors into any kind of sexual activity.
Now we live in misandrist times so nothing ever changes . Evil people exist back then it was men and now its women. Sad really we can never break the cycle
As someone who made a similar length video last year attempting to wrap my head around the sheer darkness of his psychology, I know exactly how it gets to you. It's really horrible stuff to be reading about and watching interviews and it too affected my dreams. I didn't think to go to the lengths of reading his book, either, so I hope you take a good rest to put it behind you for a bit.
My girlfriend grew up in Leeds with her mum a nurse in the hospital there. The amount of anecdotes or stories of things people had seen or heard or had a vague sense of. I think people often look on Savile and act like it's from some other time now. Like the suffering he caused affected people from some different reality that's long gone, but so, so much of it is still felt by so many people today. Whilst I too have a lot of issues with the recent drama I do commend them for including interviews from the survivors.
Oh I actually watched your video while I was working on editing mine, it was brilliant! Thank you for all your hard work and for watching my video ❤️
@@RachelOates oh damn, thanks! That's so cool. Likewise, this was a great video
@@mylittlethoughttreeI watched your video when it came out, and it really helped me come to terms with my own sexual abuse at the hands of my father. I think I commented on the video also. He was also a well-respected and beloved figure in the community, and it took me 30 years to realise that didn't mean that he was a good man and I was an awful child. I got some therapy since then, and realised that there's nothing so bad that a 6-year-old child could do that would warrant a grown man doing the things he did to me. Thank you so much for your video, it helped me SO muchv❤
@@tazandalsoalastname I tried to look for it just now, couldn't find the comment but that's likely my eyes just missing it when I scrolled through. Thank you, though. It's so awful the way it can make people like they deserved it or that it was their fault or they're bad. I think it's equally awful the way culture, even today in 2023, can make that even worse and then even harder to people to come to terms with it but there is always hopefully still the space for people to find their way with the right support. In that sense, it's always really, really heartening to hear of people moving forwards, knowing how incredibly difficult that can be. I think there's a kind of heroism within that. Thank you for saying, though. I never know if my videos make any difference. Not in the sense of doubting myself, just I often try not to get caught up thinking about it because I think I'd lose a bit of sincerity if I was making videos just going "what's a video that would help people?" rather than following what I genuinely feel passionate to talk about each week...but in that sense, it does mean a lot to hear if I've done something positive, even in a small way. Especially when I remember how uneasy I felt about tackling a subject like that and how people would feel about it.
I have a tendency to ramble a lot in replies to comments but I'm really glad to hear you're doing well :)
*wizard ..not magician
I heard someone say on another video that he groomed a nation. It’s true and that’s terrifying. We need to reassess our attitude as a society towards celebrities, hold them account to the same laws we have to abide by.
Watching him on Jim'll fix it back in the 80s, I just couldn't wrap my child logical brain around what was wrong with people, unable to what a horrid sleeze he was, not remotely funny nor any charisma!
He even looked like he stank to high hell of damp cigarette/cigar smoke... BLUGH!!!
My intuition from as young as 8 was bang on!
Even when Rolf Harris was convicted of pedophilia, it didn't surprise me, Jim fixed it for Rolf to create a huge Red and Black unnerving art piece, that hung in our middle school assembly hall. (An enormous full hall wall sized painting)
The Club members all hide in plain sight.
I remember when my uni professor said that back when the Yorkshire ripper was at large, they made a mould of Saviles teeth, as bite marks were left on a lot of the female victims. Shows the police knew something was going on for them to even suspect him in the first place...
I know what immediately came to my mind when he talked about sitting with his mother’s corpse and no longer needing to share her with anyone. Whew, that man was disgusting.
One step away from a skin suit
One step away from a skin suit
Thats disgusting
Yuck
There are few things as depraved as that
I suppose the fact that he was so obvious about it also stopped people coming forward. A victim of abuse is going to think "Whats the point" when they see these blatant confessions with no consequence.
I love how many cuddly and cute things are around Rachel, because my God you need them when talking about this absolute demon. Love you and Kira! This was fascinating, thank you so much for your brave deep dive.
Don't forget that reading, hearing, and immersing yourself in horrible stories like Saville's can be harmful. Take care of yourselves!
Being French, I'd never heard of Jimmy Savile before and I'm appalled. As always, thank you very much, Rachel, for your work and dedication!
Not sure what being French has to do with this, but why not. 🙄
Most Americans had no idea either. I was on my own little island over here with my absolute shock and disgust. Savile was a uniquely British star. There is no reason you would have heard of him without going to the UK between '70s to the '90s, and watching a fair amount of TV.
@@frontenac5083 No need to react this way, just meant that he was not particularly known in France, and thus that I learnt something thanks to Rachel
It seems bizarre as a Brit to hear that someone has never heard of him, when he is one of the most notoriously evil men in British history. I guess it had never occurred to me that he is a uniquely British monster
@@tomshaw4186 unlike people like Jeffrey Epstein
I watched this with great interest as I was a child of the Savile era, but not just that my dad worked with him at Bradford Pit in Manchester. So, when I was young, if he came on TV, or Cyril Smith, my dad would say "get that paedophile off TV," followed by him getting up and switching channels. I never knew what the word meant and it kind of left me.
I remember the several times I watched the Manchester Marathon and he’d grab girls at the side of the road, I thought it was odd behaviour.
One Day I was working away in Aylesbury, I was in a restaurant called Carlos's and I heard 2 voices, one I thought I had heard before, but I didn’t turn around to look, when he passed my table he looked over and said, “You are in the company of somebody famous.” I realised who it was and ignored him, this angered him so much he spent all the time moaning to his friend that I had not acknowledged him. When I left I looked across and flipped a ‘V’ at him.
After his death I remember the fuss given to him, almost like a state funeral that narked me as being a republican. I hate pomp and circumstances like that.
In the summer of 2015 I saw a play at the Park Theatre in London called ‘An Audience With Jimmy Savile’ by Jonathan Maitland, containing research from the book 'In Plain Sight' by Dan Davies, Savile was played by Alistair McGowan and the portrait was so scary, but the most upsetting thing was at the end the number of people sat in their seats crying, I had a lump in my throat and intended to go to a bar after the show before hitting my hotel, I couldn’t do it, I just wanted to lie down.
Thank you so much for sharing this!!
I am so ready to hear Rachel's take on Jimmy Savile, I watched the Netflix doc on him and felt like I was missing context. I know Rachel will do the subject justice!
The BBC just did a series called The Reckoning. Also, Louis Theroux has a documentary called Saville that is far better
There was a Netflix documentary on him?
@@mikalcarruthersJimmy Saville: A British Horror Story
@@hemulek No s***. He truly is a horror story. I will watch the Netflix and the BBC documentary...to care about the victims
@@mikalcarruthers I’ve watched Netflix one, not going to lie, it took me several attempts to finish it I was so disgusted. Haven’t watched the bbc one. I think I need a break to calm down because of personal ptsd. Such a shitbag he was.
I don’t believe for a second Diana liked that man. She may have tolerated him for Charles, but I don’t think she would have trusted him.
As a survivor who will never fully come to terms with what happened to me, I offer my thanks to thoughtful people like yourself for highlighting which was and still is an endemic problem in society, in this instance in the media. Often people fail to acknowledge the obvious dark side of so-called "pick up artists" and that they are basically rapists, thank you for including this in your video. I couldn't watch The Reckoning beyond the first 15 minutes, so I'm also grateful to yourself and other RUclipsrs for taking that hit and to Steve Coogan and the team behind the drama for his sensitive portrayal of that monster, and for giving victims a voice. Sadly victims are often forgotten in the glare and speculation surrounding high profile crimes, perpetrated by people like Saville. So here's to all the innocents who suffered and are suffering and here's hoping we find lasting peace and a greater understanding of how we can identify and even prevent further suffering and deal with people like Saville appropriately and swiftly. No one should be above the law, but that's perhaps a story for another day. We can all do our bit, I started by bringing up my son's with the help of their father to respect other people, and I can see that at work in their lives now, the cycle is broken ❤
Imagine a world in which LGBT humans are ostracized and shamed, but power structures support and enable literal child abuse. That is the world we live in. Thank you so much for staring that reality in the face. No one deserves to have nightmares, but with a little knowledge we can create a safer world for everyone.
Another note; people want to draw a dichotomy between nature and nurture. Like one is more important than the other somehow. Both exist, right? I think both must be relevant.
Luckily I think the attitudes that the younger generations show for these topics set a good precedent for the future :)
“LGBT are ostracized and shamed” You mean “fetishized and pandered”. Unless you’re from Saudi Arabia, or China, or some other backwards dictatorship
@@CHRB-nn6qpand they're also making it more acceptable for people to seek treatment for mental illnesses, which is good for crime prevention.
This had literally nothing to do with LGBTQ but thanks for making it all about you..as usual
One of the witnesses said ''There was no talent''.This is true. Why did the BBC go to such lengths to protect a wrongdoer who didn't even have anything to offer?
either similar tastes or hubris (‘we can’t appear to be wrong in the public eye’)
his influence with powerful people due to similar tastes
Unfortunately the comment that she made is erroneous.
He had a talent for manipulation. ...Manipulation on a national scale!!
If they sacked him he'd probably have been on the phone to Thatcher or a tabloid editor. He'd probably have done similar if he wasn't offered jim'll fix it.
I have a feeling he was fulfilling an "epstein" role, there's many reports of other men with him, he was likely protected because he procured girls for powerful men
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Serial necrophile spent 5 days with his dead mother. Nothing to see here.
I feel so bad for girls, women, and femme presenting people, especially in the 70s. It seems to come down to pure luck in not coming into contact with predators, because treating women/femmes as less than human was/is the norm. The people who didn't say similar things that Jimmy did in interviews and his book were outliers in his day.
The 70s where great for music and progressive movements...but not to live through. Same with the 80s.
ik u probably mean well with the whole “women/femmes” thing but pls just say ppl who experience misogyny. or at least spell it fem. “Femme” is a lesbian label (as in Butch/Femme) and implying that only femmes experience misogyny has some rly gross connotations
@@whirlsbianFemme absolutely is not a specifically lesbian label. Anyone can be butch or femme. It was for anyone who was lgbt, not just lesbians and claiming it as specifically a lesbian term is harmful and erases the history of the term for bisexuals and even gay men (yes I have heard older, like 40+, gay men referring to themselves as butch or femme, though usually fem. it's their term too). please stop spreading this morning misinformation that isolates the community from each other
@@myheartismadeofstars I love how quick you are to accuse a lesbian of lateral aggression and dismiss what they have to say /s. 40+ isn’t old, and even if it were, if anything that just lends itself to lesbian terms being co-opted for quite some time. also. even in a universe where it isn’t a lesbian specific term, using it like OP did still implies that butches dont experience misogyny? which isn’t true. thus, my comment.
that being said, im not going to engage with someone who immediately jumps to attack instead of a meaningful conversation. have a good day
@@whirlsbian Femme means woman in French and it's the root of the word "feminine". Femme presenting people is like Masc representative people, it's a diminutive for feminine. It's lesbians calling themselves "femmes" that don't make sense (especially for French-speaking people, sounds like you are the "woman" in a queer relationship)
I've taken an interest in this particular unmasking of what was a truly prolific predator in our midst. However, I'm not in any way surprised by how this guy was able to hoodwink and gaslight the public for so long, only to have his absolutely monstrous crimes uncovered after his death. The period during which he was A) at the height of his popularity and power and B) committing his crimes against his victims (crimes committed not with near-impunity, but with absolute impunity), that era was rife with the kind of abuse of a celebrities' position of influence and power. It was endemic to the system. What mystifies me is that we haven't uncovered even more of these predators, because they were not so much a bug in the system as it existed then, they were a feature. These scumbags were an integral component of the celebrity culture that prevailed at that time...and to some extent, still does prevail. Jimmy Savile is merely one of far, far too many who were (and remain) just like him.
In completely other news, how’s Andrew Tate doing lately?
How big an interest..?????
You want to know the truth???
It isn't in the reckoning, in the media or on tv.
You've got to search. Read the operation yewtree reports and look at the facts.
You'll be shocked.....but not for the reason you think.
Thank you for caring Rachel. Love you, Kyra and your content.
Great vibes and blessings to you, Kyra and to all of Jimmy Savile’s victims.
"Friends with Margaret Thatcher" BIG 🚩 😅
Given the story, it seems like it is Thatcher who should be embarrassed for being friends with him, not the other way around.
@@theprofessionalfence-sitter yeah but everyone publicly knew she was trash, didn't know the extent of his crimes til later is more what I meant.
I also find it quite an interesting example of how he’d cling to anyone with status regardless of who they were. Thatcher absolutely screwed over working class Yorkshire and in particular miners - exactly the area Jimmy grew up in and used to be a miner himself. Yet he put all that aside so he could cling on to her power and protection. It’s disgusting.
@@RachelOates i think its the book "Men at arms" by Terry Pratchett, but it has this section about how if someone will commit a crime against an animal they'll do it to a human too. And I know he didn't do anything to a dog, but I think it still helps to explain the situation. If someone is friends with an openly awful person, they're probably doing some pretty awful things in private. Or at the very least not willing to help others if their friend does something.
Ive been obsessed with Savile recently too trying to figure out how he did this for so long and got away with it
As a child growing up in the system i would literally beg everyone i could to write in to jimmy fix it but at the time i was disappointed that no one would to it
Now the whole rhing has me scratching my head because now its so obvious when you see it you cant unsee it 😢
I’m the same as you I keep watching and i can’t get my head around the fact he was telling us what he was upto
@peterolley7159 it's difficult to process when I was growing up Savile was everyone's hero and now all you see from his life is lies and abuse
Now the truth is out you see it everywhere
In his mannerisms in the way he speaks and how he acts in the company of young girls
For 50 years he ruined the lives of so many it's enough to make you sick
Personally hope he burns in hell
@@peterolley7159I can't speak to this man beyond what is explained here. but, the older I get the more I realize that monsters almost always tell you who they are and what they're doing, you just have to _listen_ to what they're saying.
I remember being at primary school and we'd all be talking about jim'll fix it in the playground and about writing in. I'd pretty much forgotten about him until that Louis Theroux interview, watched it and the alarm bells started going off in my head.
Personality disorders aren't something you are born with, it's something you get because of trauma and abuse as a child. MENTAL ILL PEOPLE AREN'T "BORN EVIL". It's not his mental illness that made him a predator, it's him not acting to be better. Narcissists, psychopaths, sociopaths, antisocials, they can all be good members of society who don't hurt others. Their brain work differently because it has been harmed in its early development. People do evil because they want to and do not work on themselves. Thinking that evil is born and that evil can only be done by mental ill people will blind you to your own faults and the faults of the people you care about.
I'm mental ill, and because I am, everyone excuse my mother's abuse toward me. I have never hurt anyone, I just work differently, but I had to hear again and again how hard it must have been for my mother to raise me and I should think about how it affected her instead of me. It doesn't matter how hard it is for me to survive in a world not made for my brain, because her feelings, as someone seen as mentally healthy, is more important than my well-being. I wasn't born this way (I was still born neurodivergent, the reason why the abuse got worse toward me than my siblings), my mother made me this way, but it's use against me, as if it's my fault I'm being treated this way and I never deserved the same motherly love other children get. Putting mental ill people in those boxes of "evil" lead to treating all of us as inferiors and to children like me, who are raised by parents that refused to show them love because "you are a monster and you will kill us all" (My mother's own words)
While I agree the majority of personality disorders are created by the environment you are raised in, that's not always the case, some people are born damaged..."evil" if you will. From Twin studies we can see how much of an impact the environment has on people and its not as much as you would think - it seems people are born "broken" and it's the environment that triggers the genes to activate. This is why people can have the same upbringing yet become radically different people.
I'm a narcissist - I don't believe my upbringing caused this disorder. My environment may have triggered the genes to cause it, but I was born with narcissism all ready there waiting to be activated. Twin studies are fascinating, they show just how much of our personality is way beyond our (or our environment's) control- IQ, sexuality, personality and a million other things are hard wired from birth. They either stay hidden or they wait to get triggered by our environment.
Then there's cases where a person had loving parents and a supportive community, but they still end up as monsters because that's just how their brain is formed. The eternal question: nature, nurture, or both? And if both, to what extent is each?
9:45 Great example of "jokes" being confessions.
Schrodinger’s confession
And the look of complete disbelief from his interviewers because even as "jokes"... wtf
Edit: correct stuff in my comment
Rachel you are the most open minded caring woman on youtube he did all his dirty work bhind the scenes he did despicable thing's while all the thing's for charity love you're videos rachel you are not afraid of the tough topics
@@ImstillstandingYeayeahyeah never heard of porn in public scools and kindergardens
@@ImstillstandingYeayeahyeah
Ah yes, my favorite Doctor Suess book: “One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Penish”
38:55 obviously this is the least of our issues here, but discos were largely conceived and popularized by queer people of color in the late 60s and 70s, so he most certainly had no hand in any of that
I feel like he's murdered someone. That smug "I knew who had done it, but no-one asked me" sounds like the same kind of almost confessions he makes throughout the book. Do I think he murdered someone at 12 and cut them up? No, but I do feel like he was confessing to something there.
Well later he straight up confesses to crimes, the 6 "body guards" thing is disgusting.
Some people think he did actually murder.
He was allegedly buddies with Peter Sutcliffe, AKA The Yorkshire Ripper.
@@arglebargle23fnord They found a body near where Saville operated and one that Ripper denied killing. Sutcliffe had boasted about who he'd killed yet denied this one.
Some people think it could have been Saville. Who knows?!
@@ZamWeazlewait tell me more about the body ? How were they killed ?
@@romaniesophie5035 I'm not sure tbh. It was a while ago that I read articles about that. Hope your forgive me but i personally don't particularly want to delve back into this topic atm. 👍
This man was so evil and you did an amazing job of explaining all of his actions, however, i don’t think he was hiding in plain sight- i don’t think he was hiding at all- i think he was blatantly doing gross and horrible things, joking about them publicly, and having his powerful friends protect him. That scumbag felt so confident being gross he didn’t even try to hide his behavior.
I was a child of the late 70s-80s, and there was always something that made my stomach turn when he was on the telly. Never watched his programmes then, and even back then adults would say something similar. I have two friends that I know of that were on JFI, they have the badges and everything, both girls. Both of them were not that keen to go on, there parents contacted Jim, there parents made up the “wish” they wanted to come true. I wonder how much of the cover up was because kid’s ill-ease was ignored.
I'm a similar age and I remember thinking about writing to JFI about a couple of things I wouldn't get to do any other way. Obviously I wasn't that struck with them, because the idea that I'd have to sit on his knee was enough to put me off. Just - eww!
@@catherineshaw3462 Yep!
Your mom calling him a “ dirty old man “ before it had publicly come out that he was in fact a defendant predator reminds me of the story my mom told me about our former neighbor who ended up being arrested for possession of elicit images of minors . I was a toddler then so I don’t remember it , but apparently she always had a feeling about him and would never let him near me . Even before he was actually put on the registry.
Good job mom , if only she felt that way about the teacher who she is friends with who sexually harassed me repeatedly. I told her, but my mom just made excuses for that person.
Im so so sorry she didnt believe you…
There’s a dark, disgusting irony to hearing the words “no go area” come out of Jimmy Savile’s mouth.
Knew someone high up in the hospital he apparently had a "private room" at and could easily get into the nurses offices too
When people are brave enough to tell about SA commited against them, we owe them the basic respect of believing them, just like we believe people, when they tell us about someone breaking into their home.
Both in the past and right now.
Well, that's the problem . The police, the NSPCC, the CPS and the staffers on Yewtree all had a culture of believing anything they were told. It proved embarrassing a bit later when so many of the Saville accusations were proven to be false. Didn't have that in the reckoning did they? And all the commenters on here forgetting it. Look it up, Nearly a hundred alleged saville "victims" were just liars chasing the money. They're the real criminals because any genuine victims were overshadowed.
The way Kyra looks at you is far too wholesome for the subject of the video. You did a great job in your research. The fact he got away with it is despicable, and I sorely hope some higher power is seeing he exists in torment on another plane for his crimes.
Why wasn't he arrested as soon as the book was published? This should've been viewed as a big red flag.
“I believe all girls are 2000 years old when their born”
This guy was using the lolicon excuse of the “1000 year old dragon girl who looks 8” all the way back in the 70’s.
WTF!
The fact he makes lolicons seem more normal than him 🤢. At least they pretend its normal as long as theyre of age regardless of appearance, but hes not even trying to hide and pull that card
For what it's worth, I don't associate him with any particular place or region.
For me, the worst aspect of this whole affair is the huge number of people who colluded to facilitate and perpetuate his abuse have avoided answering for what they have done. If anything, they're worse than him because they had the opportunity to stop him. Who are they protecting now? How much abuse are they facilitating?
I definitely think he's objectifying the woman who preyed on him as a coping mechanism in adulthood. It sounds like he rewrites history as an adult to try to be the predator so he doesn't have to be the victim. I have all the sympathy you can have for an abused child for him there and I have no complicated feelings for how he talks about her. But that doesn't excuse his later actions
In Germany there is a law that is referred to as "unterlassene Hilfeleistung" which punishes people for looking away when someone is in need. While I don't think it refers to looking away when a crime is committed to someone (there are caveats about not putting yourself in danger) I can't stop thinking about it in this context.
So many people who knew, who saw the victims. How awful it must feel to be a child waiting for an adult to help them, step in but no one is.. All you get is sideway glances and whispers
Im not surprised a book like that would get published. If you listen to the lyrics of a lot of songs from that time seemingly confess a lot of the same things, and they are still played on the radio today. You're not going to get Steven Tyler, Anthony Kiedis or others who are doing the same things calling him out.
A few years ago I heard a song called playing in a large chain music store. It was two rappers, one white. About getting a girl drunk and forcing her to - I phoned to complain. I said, "Would you play that track if it was about a boy?" But that was seen as acceptable in the 2000s.
A similar thing happened with Don Bourke, an Australian celebrity gardener.
I remember telling my mum (I might have been around 6 or 7) that I didn't like him. Mum dismissed it as he became popular around the same time something pretty bad happened to me.
Anyway, 25yrs later, people started coming out about how creepy he was.
That interview with him doing nothing but dodging and playing stupid must have been INFURIATING for that interviewer.
Everyone who protected and enabled this vile man is complicit and I hope they live in misery. I would hope they all feel guilty but they probably won't.
I’ve missed you!! Thank you for covering these topics with dept!!
Of course a straight white British dude invented discos. Just like the blues, right? And "blue eyed soul" music.
33:23 Personality disorders are associated with adverse childhood experiences, so like most things its probably both :/
Well... maybe. But I've seen recent research that strongly suggests that the cause/effect relationship is the other way round: that people who are genetically predisposed to have PDs end up having more adverse experiences growing up (mainly more risk-taking behaviour, but I assume growing up with parents who have similar issues for the same reason would also be a factor)
So glad you’re back! I love your make up in this :)
I met Jimmy Saville when I was a toddler, apparently he came up to me and starting talking to me like people do with babies, at the time my mother thought nothing of it, thought it was a fun little story more than anything else, though looking back its just weird. I know that that's not an isolated incident either as other people I know have the same story too. It just shows that companies like the BBC should be blamed for protecting predators like Savile, if they and other powers hadn't protected him so many people could have been saved from being abused by him.
Savile*
The statue in pride of place on BBC Broadcasting House is a man doing a little boy from behind.
Sadly we have had a few very similar stories here in the US. Recently Harvey Weinstein and Jeffery Epstein, and before that Bill Cosby.
While these guys were vile they pale into comparison compared to a guy that sexually abused over 500 individuals over the course of decades.
Its hard to get my head round 😵💫
And some got away with it. Same as others, in other parts of the world. Cosby did it for 4 or 5 decades, saw the serie about him. I'm afraid also hundreds or more victims 😯 And now he's free. What a ludacriss world we live in 🤔
@@ZamWeazle I think Epstein might be worse as well as Cosby.
I was one of the Duncroft girls in 1973/4. See my podcast ‘Brave Jimmy Savile survivor from Duncroft girls school-Sheila Terry-Bailey @Shaun Attwood
Thank you for your help with the Kyra pictures Rachel!
What I can't believe is that there's a whole ass blog dedicated to the innocence of Jimmy Savile.
There's WHAT?! 😤
@@RachelOates Yeah, I couldn't believe it either.
Internet gonna internet, I'm afraid.
How could you not ask “what do you mean by that?” When he straight up says I’m feared in every girls school in britain?
The “joke” is supposed to be that he can only win in wrestling when fighting against “weak” female children. Though it certainly loses the original meaning once you learn anything about the man
As you talk about his teen years working in clubs while still at school. I was in the same position. It left me very vulnerable...but I never considered using those experiences as an excuse ro be hardhearted. I do think he was born that way and it wa then developed by the circumstances around him. He was incapable of having compassion for others.
American here: I had no idea who he was until I learned of the scandal. But I agree with Rachel; I can't understand why he was ever popular. I mean, I'm not saying I would have KNOWN, but nothing I've seen suggested he was anything other than utterly repellant.
And I wish you a good mental health after making video like this, Rachel!
Please, be gentle with yourself and take care of your needs! 💚
Bless people like you. I think I’ve heard of you in the video-essayist sphere before, but this is the first video of yours I’ve seen, and I just want you to know how appreciated you spreading this knowledge is. Having someone else tell me about what’s in a book like that seems to allow a level of separation, at least for me, where I can still feel deep empathy for the victims and rage at the criminal monster, but at less of a mental cost then it seems to do to people who do videos on subjects like this.
So I just want to thank you again for being a person strong enough and brave enough to put yourself through something like that to disseminate important knowledge like this. Through people like you, greater numbers can learn of these things that have been hidden for too long, even if they may not have the mental fortitude you do.
Thank you so much! ❤️
The stories of him when he was "working" at the hospitals, are the most disturbing
I'm so glad Kira is there as you went through this book, she's the best girl providing emotional support and palet cleansers between sections of this sicko's story.
There's a book Irvine Welsch wrote in the early 90s where he basically outs Saville by writing a fictional story about a character who is clearly identified as Saville. Clearly his behaviour was known about even then.
What is the book called please 22:21
@@anntaylor-ellis5780 the book is called 'Ecstacy' by Irving Welsh , the story is 'Lorraine Goes to Livingston' and the character is called Freddy Royle
A word of warning about the other two stories in the book, and to some extent his other books, tend to be quite traumatic to read depending on your personal disposition.
To this day, Colin Baker (Doctor Who's Sixth Doctor) delivered still the best comment regarding Saville. He guest starred as the Doctor in a Jim'll Fix It episode and they did a joke where Saville's face appears on the TARDIS monitor and Colin comments: "It's revolting." Years later when questioned about this joke, he said that he still stays by his original comment.
I'm an early 80s kid and when his face came on TV, myself and my mum would cringe and turn him off. His face tells you everything about that man.
I missed your videos rachel!! So excited to watch this one. Thanks for the long content! :-))
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So many people covered for Saville. It's terrifying.
about the 20 year old woman: he's disgusting, but still deserves the compassion of a victim in that situation. when its adult women w male children, the dynamics are very different. at the time that he was 12, age gaps were... blegh. anyway, that's the mindset that is often being preyed upon even nowadays. just a couple years ago a teacher got fired for hooking up w a student and I heard MANY guys in the following years referencing it as if it were an accomplishment. I think it's gross that he objectified her, but not surprising
I couldn't finish watching this, it's such a terrible reality, so much corruption.
Love your channel though, thank you for covering this
Something that seems to be a pattern - he wrapped 'confessional' stories with hyperbole - It's certain he didn't jump from a window, but the presence of that detail makes the rest seem like it's hyperbole too. Enough, without context, to be dismissed as 'Oh, that's just Jimmy' when, really it's awfully dark.
This is such a disturbing video to watch. My dad met Jimmy Savile once on a cruise ship (my dad was an officer so part of the crew). He said that Jimmy wore a weird gold tracksuit to a black tie evening and that after talking to him he just made him feel uneasy. My dad even described him as a dirty old man to me when I was a kid seeing him praised on TV before he died. Funnily enough my dad was born in Leeds too, but grew up in the North East. Considering how many people saw how vile he was, I don't understand how it was covered up for so long.
Also it's lovely to see sweet Kira, just watching her jump up to give you loves is much needed eyebleach.
A workmate said he used to approach her and her friends as 14 year olds and try to smarm around them, offering rides in his Rolls Royce. His ways were well known in this northern coastal town.
about the date with the 20 yr old woman when he was 12 and whether he deserves sympathy because he objectified her - speaking from personal experience with csa there never was a perfect victim. he obviously grew up to be a perpetrator and this does not excuse that but i would be careful about denying him victimhood as a child. regardless of how a child reacts to abuse or what type of person they grow up to be, they are still a victim in that situation and the adult is always in the wrong. kids can come across very mature but its always surface level and just a poor imitation of how they see adults behave around them. just my thoughts based on my experience of it
Who knew Johnny Rotten would come through as the voice of reason??
I know exactly what you mean about getting a bad vibe from him. I always felt that way even though I didn't actually know who he was until he died. I think there's something dark in his eyes that just tells on him. He doesn't look safe. I don't know, something about him reminds me of people like Fred West or Ian Brady... Says it all really, doesn't it?
Very worth looking into how the BBC dealt with covering up the Newsnight episode and historical abuse until after he died. Also, because of it they forced the "BBC Trust" to close and restructure but still a lot of people at ofcom and who have worked in government work at the BBC so they have the power to just get by without more than a slap on the wrist. Just look at how Russel Brand and Saville talked to eachother on air too.
Is the BBC making a programme about Savile?
I don't remember one person saying Savile was creepy back on the seventies and eighties, when I was growing up. I think most people thought he was odd, but kind hearted. You have to remember years ago people didn't take everything so literally, and people embraced eccentricity. I think Savile wasn't the only one at the BBC like it. There was a culture back then. He was perhaps the most heavy handed, though. The BBC are only interested in covering their own shortcomings
Absolutely. I was a kid in the 70s and he never creeped me out. There were so many eccentric performers. It was a common thing. I found him just another boring TV star. It is harmful to suggest "everyone knew he was a creep" because that hides the fact that abusers are usually perfectly accepted by society.
Can concur. Everyone is just jumping on the bandwagon Those who knew him and were directly affected knew. Everyone else was none the wiser
as someone who's grown up and lives in chicago and we have a preditor from here who's now in jail (sounds like tar smelly) its been rough when growing up as a child i liked his inspirational song but later found out from an older cousin what type of nonesense he was up to. later on friends of mine would telle me stories of him hanging out at the high schools they were at and rock and roll mcdonalds and plotting on vunerable youth. I didn't support him after learning this and i was seen as a weirdo for a long time. When he got off scott free at his first trial my friends and I were dismayed that he'd never see reprocussions. I'm glad he's in jail thanks to the work of his survivors and journalists who didn't stop, but i feel bad that it took so long because so many people up top enabled his preying on the vunerability of kids. My heart goes out to the victims/survivors of jimmy's terror, i'm sad that they never saw that monster in jail for his crimes.
gentle advice that when you're focusing on something this dark, especially in an almost compulsive manner (trust me, I've been there), to take care of yourself. don't fixate on it to the point of neglecting your other interests or your own mental health. talk to people - talk out the things that are getting to you about it, talk about the weather, just make sure you're getting out of your own head for a bit. sometimes we underestimate the emotional toll these things can take on us, so remember to be kind to yourself.
Rachel's international viewers must be relieved Savile never became famous overseas during his pomp....
In the US we have enough and don't need more.
@@dangermouse4871 I can imagine Hugh "I'll reserve the funeral plot next to Marilyn Monroe's years in advance so I can sleep with her for eternity" Hefner going "Dude WTF?" to Savile's grossness.
I feel sad and sickend about the terrible things he did to all those young girls, and what is worse he even abused young boys, such as that poor sweet boy Kevin, that made me cry.😢
At the time (until he retired ~1986), my grandfather was the head foreman for all of the BBC's London properties.
It was s job to ensure the smooth running of those buildings, from the auditoriums and recording studios to warehouses, White City and Broadcasting House.
We would frequently visit our grandparents at the weekend, and invariably, Jim'll Fix It would be chosen (by us kids), and my grandfather would quietly storm out of the room (he rarely showed anger).
It never clocked at the time, I only ever thought he was annoyed at having to miss whatever was on BBC2 or LWT, but decades later I realised that he MUST have heard the rumours but didn't have the agency to do anything about it.
My Grandad was from Glasshouses and Pately Bridge, and got his position at the BBC after finishing his 22 years army service, leaving after changing the way the armed forces did its accounting (he was a Quartermaster) and earning the BEM for it.
John Lydon is one of the most honest, conscientious musicians to date. Hardly Rotten at all, just too pure for this evil world.
I feel this book of his and his entire existence was a «how far can I take this». He were fully aware of how bad he was, and that no one did anything to stop him, so he just went for it because he could. It’s disgusting. How bad I feel for the victims💔 I truly wish they had/have time to recover, and/or have recovered and are living a good life in spite of all this… (I am being a bit vague since there probably are more victims, and some may have passed away by now)
It doesn't help that volunteering is not regulated, or the security implications of a volunteer not being screened for previous offences. Volunteers are ina position of trust, which is what his Narcissism and Machiavellianism would have looked for.
He hacked a human's propensity to not question the trusting of volunteers who want to 'do good' whilst also using compromising information about other humans as leverage.
I've been watching videos from HG Tudor recently. Very interesting if you want to go down that dark alley of narcissistic psychopathic behaviour and outlook. You WILL need a strong mind and stomach for it, though.
you have an amazing compass for justice.
The problem was the girls stayed silent because they were afraid that if it went to court saviles lawyers would have made minced meat of them. He could afford to get the best lawyers in the country to fight his case.
I’m from Leeds too and one of my mates was actually a choirboy at his funeral. He’ll always be a stain on our country
Kira heard you worrying about people hearing your stomach growling and decided to help you out with puppy sounds 😂
i feel like we moved past the whole "he fucked corpses" thing real fast. had to rewind. what the fuck?
Here in the u.s we have our own jimmy savile, Phil Spector. He was a music business tycoon who had a lot of connections. Because of this he was able to get away with the most horrific abuse and even murder
I'm from the US and never heard of him until now. Its disturbing how one person can choose to do such horrible things and how he got away with it.
Take care of yourself, Rachel and other watchers, this topic is pretty horrible and can be really bad for mental and emotional health too.
I'm not currently in a place where I can watch this, but I just wanted to say that I think it's very cool that you're covering this. It's important to talk about, and I appreciate the work you've put in.
My mother was born in 1947 and she revered the man. I never understood why. I told her that I don't like the way he looks. AND that I don't want to watch him. She would go on about how the Royals loved him and how they couldn't possibly EVER be wrong. What did I know anyway, he was a hero and helped so many people.
Yeah... well my gut reaction was clearly correct. And she wasn't.
This is gross... Feels horrible that it never went public, that he was able to do those things for decades... Good that the victims got some platform to talk about it now but he never had to answer to those things... 😢
Im 64 so remember him from the early days, even as a child her creeped me out, but no idea when very young why by the time I hit my teens I realised why ' dirty old man vibe '
He did pull the wool over many people's eyes with his charity work, he did virtually save Stoke Mandeville hospital people saw the charity work, plus back then children were not taken notice of, and he did go for those least likely to be believed.
32:41
I hate this train of thought: lots of women get abused and SA amd yet it doesnt turn us into monsters!!!
Stop. Making. Excuses. For. Men-monsters!!!!!
Boo hoo he had a "bad" childhood??
Waaaaahhh!!
Rachel I was watching TV during pretty much the height of his success and fame and he creeped me out too. Actually it was because of his creepiness why I got the jokes about him before the extent of his activities broke after his death - is why I'm prepared to believe that the people writing about him didn't need to be aware of his activities because he was so creepy anyway. Other media predators such as Stuart Hall stuck me as creepy too