I think it's time for an up-to-date edition of "The Laptop Guide for Creators". I'd love to see how this Z16 stacks up against the Zephyrus M16, the ProArt StudioBook 16, the MacBook Pros, and the new XPS lineup, to name a few!
The problem ist that: if you're working with h.264, then Intel is the only reasonable choice because of the hardware acceleration. However terrible, terrible battery life 😕
@@FriendlyPCGamers it's called comparison... you know, when you put two or more things under the same test so you can get a rough idea of a device's performance and assess which one's better.
GAGAGAGAGA I just disliked my own face because I am unpretty. HOWEVER: I always like my GOOD videos however. No dislikes allowed where I come from. Don't be mean, dear qg
That Z16 is really tickling my wallet. If MSI has indeed solved their build quality issue (the hinge in particular), this might just be my next laptop.
Man all brands r putting great devices this yr but i want glossy panel that is very rare now days. I will go with legion 5pro but no top device has a glossy display
Ive been using z16 for more than 5 months, the build quality of it is pretty good. There is no issue when playing aaa games like God of War or cyberpunk in high setting. Prior to this purchase I used xps 15 with gtx 1050. I admit the premium feel of Dell is better than msi. However, that device was suffering with a lot of quality issues, from battery swelling, DC Jack input, to thermal throttling.
@@Poeticbladezero Yes sir! That I do. Not that hard to do. Plenty of RUclips videos on how to go about doing it. Among doing some research yourself. It took two different purchases from two different computer companies to do that before I said enough was enough. I even saved a couple of bucks doing it myself. Still using the computer to this day. Would like to upgrade it with a higher wattage power supply and graphics card in the future, although not a high priority at this time.
That Z16 is absolutely mouth watering. I'm currently rocking an XPS 17, so I don't really have any need or desire to upgrade right now, but I'd buy the Z16 in a heartbeat if I was in the market for a new machine. The machined aluminum chassis with the 16:10 glossy display is just absolute perfection, which is why I bought my XPS in the first place. I honestly don't think I could ever get a laptop without those features anymore. Plus two SSD slots is a must for upgradability purposes.
In laptops with such a big screen, I don't see the point in having lower wattage GPUs - it's not suddenly going to become more portable being slightly thinner and lighter, and I think it's better to have a high wattage and then just cap the framerate with v-sync if you want it to run quieter. Compared to these 90-100 watt GPUs, I'm guessing the game will run smoother because it can briefly tap into extra power when needed and because the cooling is designed for 130+ watts it might also run quieter as well.
I'm actually looking for a good gaming laptop that uses under 120 watts, so i can use is while plugged into the cigerette lighter port in my Prius (it has 120w limit on the fuze)
@@chrisrichfield8906 then i think you will need something with a gpu that uses around 80 w since the cpu also uses up to 45w ( that on ryzen's 2021 models)
The problem with the thin and light Stealth is that its barely any thinner and not really any lighter than the G77. The only reason I picked the GS77 over the G77hx was because the mousepad is where it's supposed to be. The mousepad on the Raider is sitting almost all the way to the left of the laptop... So your hand sits on it no matter where you place your hand on the keys. We need to get rid of mouse pads on gamers >
Ordered a Z16P. Returned it because the area above each hinge where the touchscreen is glued in was bending apart and had a noticeable gap. You can see the bend starting to occur in Dave's unit at 7:54.
I’ve tested a few Alienwares and Legions. Really enjoy the keyboard and heavy duty build quality on Alienware. Asus would be great if half their memory wasn’t soldered and if their ROG machines had webcams (I use mine for work). MSI has a new set of laptops with Alder Lake HX processors so I may check those out.
@@shivamtak171ulia It's a great machine. Good keyboard, good cooling, good display. Just be sure it has the amount of RAM you need since one RAM stick is soldered to the motherboard and can't be changed later.
MSI GS65 owner here (the one that appears at 01:42). Although I love the design of the Stealth devices, my experience is that the build quality is seriously bad. Not the chasis or the hinge, but the internal components, something that's normally excluded in the reviews for obvious reasons. My unit, after a few months it had a few RGB light keys burned, the bluetooth card is terrible (low range and disconnects frequently) and I had a swollen battery that needed to be replaced twice. All these issues in a period of 3 years. The first year is covered by warranty but then you have to pay repairs from your own pocket. When you look online you can see is not just my unit. A lot of people is having the same issue with MSI laptops. I hope MSI improves this cause I love their designs, but I won't buy another laptop from them just to confirm. I'll just go with Asus or another reliable brand that pays more attention to build quality. I hope this comment help others when deciding to buy a laptop.
Current GS66 user here, I agree on the LEDs issue, mine lasted only 6 months and half of them are dead, going to RMA soon hopefully it doesn't cost me too much
i had the gs66 stealth for about a year now and can definately see the sacrifices they made to make it thinner and lighter. Still love my 300hz 1080p screen 2tb ssd 32gb ram rtx3080 ( 95w :( ) i9 10th gen though
Good thing they allow us to undervolt. I recommend you to undervolt with throttlestop. You also can adjust turbo ratio to keep your device cool and quite during gaming.
@@kd-37 dude trust me im wouldnt buy a 3000 dollar machine to not undervolt it.My undervolting was even blocked by a new bios update sometime and i had to find a tricky way around to erase the undervolt blocking feature off of the bios lol. was a pain in the butt.I dont think that you can endure the heat of this machine on load without undervolting.
@@moparjr89 the gs76 imo isnt a very good machine + you should have undervolted it to prevent it from overheating.In fact any expensive gaming laptop you buy,you gotta undervolt to trade little to none performance loss for 10° less heat or even more
Newest XPS reviews would come from you as Dell releases them. It's been a while since they released the new xps line and still waiting for your review on them. Love your videos as always.
A creator laptop without an HDMI port is really a no-go for me. As a creator you often use beamers/big screens to present you work to customers, or you connect to a second monitor when working at the office. I have experienced it gets really annoying to carry around a dongle every time. They made the device thicker, but didn't bring back the HDMI port. Also, the screen supports a special pen (which is great), but it doesn't flip around all the way. Now you have to work in such an akward position.
I test the sh*t about the gs77 I9 12900H with an RTX 3080 and I can finally say he does not overheat! I'm happy. I'm 3500 euro's poorer now but I'm f*cking happy.
I’ve had a MSI GS 65 stealth for 3 years, and I’ve loved it. Yeah the build quality is lacking, but the performance has been solid for a device so small. Also I think the gold accents makes it the nicest looking device in the entire line. It is nice to see that they are finally improving the build quality, but I’m just not a fan of the look of the new design.
i've had the same for 3 years, the keyboard lighting has become pathetic to control, the rgbs gave in a year ago and started malfunctioning showing different colors than it was supposed to and going of on certain colors. And the fan assembly, oh my, i had to take the whole assembly out as the fans on both CPU and GPU started buzzing so loud and vibrating so heavily as if it was a hacksaw cutting through stuff, so i lubed the fans minimally, repasted both die, then assembled all of it back and it all ran fine after that. but the sheer amount of panic that an average customer goes through after buying a relatively expensive product, makes the brand look unprofessional. And now, the battery started popping which resulted in the trackpad coming off a little from left, both bottom and top, now i have been looking for a battery replacement, cuz the clicks on the pad feel very hollow and I have to press too hard, also it'll break other plastic parts if i don't replace it in time now. Just. had to. let this all out. even after i have shat all over it, the performance is just marvelous....though it has suffered from thermal throttling and one of the SSD sticks just goes MIA from time to time.... so i dont know man, if you're facing all this, but would feel good to know.
Great video. Thank you so much for adding the Creator. I want to double check your argb on the GS77 because you list it so low. Most stats I've seen for this were much higher.
I get that when it comes to laptops, phones etc. the current trend is thinner is better. But I honestly wouldn't mind a thicc tank of a laptop, like an old school think pad, that has amazing thermals and battery life.
I bought the iPhone 13 pro max because they made it thicker. Making any device thicker and more performant is something I will happily support with money and I hope more companies get this
one big concern about glass screen is that glass screen are really easy to catch dusty, which is annoying most time, so be sure before u pick an glass screen laptop search on amazon or eBay whether or not to find an screen protector for it.
I think in the past we all want technology device to be as portable as possible, as small and thin as possible. But I think at some point it shouldn't get smaller. For things like laptop even if they can make the components smaller I'd rather they feel up the space so.e other way to make it perform better and more reliably, and also make the whole construct that much more durable. Unless it's a whole generation of technology where the hardware becomes flexible and there is no need of solid structure.
Just bought the (2022) MSI GS77 2 days ago waiting on it to arrive. We’ll see how it goes. Bought it for music production. Learning video editing will come second and gaming Last since I have a Ps5.
I got my Z16 last year off Best Buy... The best PC I ever purchased! You won't mistake buying this one. The only problem... It's a lot of money! And it killed my wallet, but I love it still! xD
The GS series has continually tried to chase the design aesthetics of the razer blade, but always came up short (rough edges, loud fans...) It's good that they're trying to build up their own design language (though this new one reminds me of the old hp pavilion design but more premium)
Been waiting for a professional looking gaming laptop with higher than 1080p high refresh laptop I can work and game on without cringing the aesthetics. Z16 looks perfect since it still has a 10 key.
Quiet fan noise is a big selling point for me. I use my MSI GT75 Titan in a shared space and high-end (Turbo Mode) fan noise that comes with most AAA gaming just isn't viable. Gonna keep a close eye on this GS77 model when it hits market.
IMO, this year's best gaming laptop is asus tuf F15 with 12700H + 3060/3070 at 140W. That wattage is going to make the difference in performance than other laptops in the same price point. Going to upgrade this year... No reviews from anyone yet :(
Honestly still rocking the GS65, and my only complaints are the motherboard is flipped so upgrades are not easily accessible, and and the build quality I would say is just fair. Been considering getting a new laptop, but seeing this puts another MSI computer in the running.
Like what he said, and as what we always know is that it’s really hard to have the laptop thin but solid and with high performance, but obviously MSI is good at satisfying both! GS77 & Creator Z16P are pretty impressive! Wanna have a real experience on them!
Ok the Z16P is ticking the box for me... That aspect ratio, the 180° hinge, and the touch screen, that's exactly what I need. The only concern I have is the battery life, an average of 3 and a half hours isn't bad, but isn't great at all when compared to so many others.. And I heard someone complain about the hinge of MSI Z series, that's the exact same issue I have now with my Lenovo Yoga 730.. Hinge is gone, laptop is stationary, and I spent a lot getting it... Now I just can't move it. I've been having issues finding who can fix it here, haven't found anyone yet. That said, I'll keep an eye on the Z16P... I think I might get it in the future if my pocket allows me.. More light on it Dave, maybe after some extra use if possible. Thanks man and great video 👍👌💯
I bought the MSI Delta 15 recently and the hinge broke in 2 weeks. After looking into it seems like they've had hinge issues for years already. I'm never, ever buying MSI again.
i was wondering about the effect that the lower wattages would have on the 3070ti but it doesn't look like it was a big deal, maybe a minor deal at most, thx for the review
I have been watching Dave's videos for 4 years now and I have always appreciated his balance between in-depth assessments and summarized reviews. However, this video seemed a little rushed and the fact that he ended the video talking about battery life seems a tad bit strange, to me at least.
Actually yeah I noticed the same thing. There’s a point where he switched 1080p and 1440p, and don’t correct himself. Also a point where the graph is cut off on the bottom.
@@Tritium514 His first “not good” review was the “review” of the 2021 Legion 5 Pro. One of the worst he’s ever done. But I do agree that thiccer is better.
I dunno. I actually don't like the MSI GS77 design since it detracts from the more cleaner aesthetics of yesteryear. Reminds me of the 2019 Omen. It's probably the back end. But I do agree that the extra mm of thickness helps a lot. It makes thin and light more thermally capable. Maybe you can check out the TUF Dash F15 2022. It's also a complete redesign but still maintain thiness with what seems to be capable thermals.
Currently im rocking a gs66 from a few years back and I gotta say, i really do not like that hinge and chin on the gs77. I love that in theory my gs66 fits perfectly at work. If i had to switch now, id probably go for a zephyr, especially now that they have cameras
I am with you on this crazy thin issue for sure, I would also like to see Laptop companies bring back or re-add the 2.5 space for storage especially now that they have the 8TB SSD available nowadays I for one AM a Gamer, but don’t do much these days as far as graphic content, I do however have a very large iTunes video file, so large storage space for our movies and tv shows me and my Late wife could watch when we were on holiday trips or just traveling away from home, yes could relay on streaming but not all hotels have good enough internet or is too expensive for the time we are there just saying, remake room for the 2.5 drives again please tell them DAVE2D give it to them straight Rock lol :)
At a certain point, I don't think there's a need for a thin device when it sucks. Some ppl buy gaming laptops just because they are "casual gaming" but they still do and get an additional monitor as I did. I didn't buy my laptop but I wanted one just for the entrance point. Now I m planning to get something decent as a desktop but maybe in 2023-2024.
You have to realize that some people play games not on a flat surface like a desk. I use my laptop on the go. Typically in a hotel (or a place that my only surface is the bed), and utilize it on a bed next to me for content. I have also used it on my lap, even though it is a notebook (NOT a laptop). There are things that MSI does to be good overall. My biggest gripe is the downfiring speakers, they are trash for my situation. The grill on top is also key for my situation. Which is why I say MSI made products for everyone.
Hey Dave if you have been using M1 MacBook Air till now please share yor long term experience briefly. Will appreciate it a lot!! Great video as always !!
Could we give the graphs a little bit more screen time please, like while you explain about it - i know i can pause but I would like to listen and see also. Thank You.. 👌
Either the MSI was at max settings (Forza settings can go all the way up to "Extreme") or you should not buy this laptop. But going off my experience (Of which I don't have much TBH), the former is more likely.
Check that hinge design before pulling the trigger and make sure it's been improved. I just finished paying $150 to have a new lid put on my gs65 because the hinge design on it is horrid and the hinge broke in
Not overly impressedby these 2 devices. There are other laptops like M16 and G15 from Asus which, despite being lighter and similarly thin, now coming with higher TGP, 120w, to the GPU. The M16 and G15 also have similarly impressive 2.5K display which is brighter and covering similar color gamut coverage, MUX Switch, making them far more suitable for both gaming and Creative works. Battery life, there is MSI or other any brand can do, despite having those huge battery....that comes with having Intel chips...with great performance, comes poor battery life.
Man I love the new Z16P. Still only max 64GB of RAM though. If there was a 16GB VRAM and 128GB Max RAM option I would consider it. That would really cover the Creator in the name for me.
How good is the creator z16p? Spec wise and from this video is seems really good, but i don't see anyone talking about it, or putting it on lists of best laptops. Its always Zephyrus, xps, macbook, razer. Is it comparable to those? I code, game, and do some video editing.
What are your thoughts on the GE77? Are you able to do a video comparison of all the MSI Gaming Laptops for 2022? Especially the GE77 HX (2022) vs GE76 (2022)! Would greatly appreciate it.
I think it's time for an up-to-date edition of "The Laptop Guide for Creators". I'd love to see how this Z16 stacks up against the Zephyrus M16, the ProArt StudioBook 16, the MacBook Pros, and the new XPS lineup, to name a few!
The problem ist that: if you're working with h.264, then Intel is the only reasonable choice because of the hardware acceleration. However terrible, terrible battery life 😕
If you can leverage Mac OS apps, then the M1 macbooks are the best price to performance machines imo
STFUx you lil bich... no one cares about creators....what the f have you created in your life except waste CO2 and a incext baby in your sis?
Agreed, also the Razer can get thrown in there
@@SimoBenziane Does H264 really play back better on Intel machines?
With thickness, comes, quickness. It's such a great line.
Unless you're a runner
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Thats what she said
Tis what she proclaimed
*Comes women
the cut-off @3:23 is 40 / 43 / 50 db as shown in @8:39 for anyone who's wondering :)
Only dumbs will wonder for same test having similar result.
@@FriendlyPCGamers it's called comparison... you know, when you put two or more things under the same test so you can get a rough idea of a device's performance and assess which one's better.
Probably the best tech/laptop reviewer on RUclips at the moment. Informative, thorough, snappy and well presented.
Can't believe! I was looking for an MSI laptop review on this very RUclips channel of DAVE2D, and I found the most up to date review! Amazing!
Pog title clicked instantly
Edit: the title was " With Thickness comes Quickness "
he changed it
So thorough. So knowledgeable. So Dave. Dave 2 Diligent. Dave 2 Debonair.
Dave 2 Damn good at what he's doing. D.
GAGAGAGAGA I just disliked my own face because I am unpretty. HOWEVER: I always like my GOOD videos however. No dislikes allowed where I come from. Don't be mean, dear qg
"Debonair" wow i cant believe its the first time i am hearing that word. sounds so cool
cringe
Debonair pizza, good for you
That Z16 is really tickling my wallet. If MSI has indeed solved their build quality issue (the hinge in particular), this might just be my next laptop.
Man all brands r putting great devices this yr but i want glossy panel that is very rare now days. I will go with legion 5pro but no top device has a glossy display
Ive been using z16 for more than 5 months, the build quality of it is pretty good. There is no issue when playing aaa games like God of War or cyberpunk in high setting. Prior to this purchase I used xps 15 with gtx 1050. I admit the premium feel of Dell is better than msi. However, that device was suffering with a lot of quality issues, from battery swelling, DC Jack input, to thermal throttling.
@@MrNPC No different then any other company out there. Do what I do, don’t give them your business.
@@KrypptikkSoulslayer so you just build your own PC?...
@@Poeticbladezero Yes sir! That I do. Not that hard to do. Plenty of RUclips videos on how to go about doing it. Among doing some research yourself. It took two different purchases from two different computer companies to do that before I said enough was enough. I even saved a couple of bucks doing it myself. Still using the computer to this day. Would like to upgrade it with a higher wattage power supply and graphics card in the future, although not a high priority at this time.
I feel like MSI’s entire design language as of late is heavily inspired by HP’s Spectre line of devices. Glad to see something new
That Z16 is absolutely mouth watering. I'm currently rocking an XPS 17, so I don't really have any need or desire to upgrade right now, but I'd buy the Z16 in a heartbeat if I was in the market for a new machine. The machined aluminum chassis with the 16:10 glossy display is just absolute perfection, which is why I bought my XPS in the first place. I honestly don't think I could ever get a laptop without those features anymore. Plus two SSD slots is a must for upgradability purposes.
Everyone's gone back to unapologetically thicc laptops, even Apple, finally.
Phones next, please...
nah phones not meant for gaming
@@pranav288 bigger battery?
@@QuanNguyen-yw3ft I’d love to see thiccer phones with bigger batteries or better cooling.
iPhones are already way too heavy
Only if they get smaller screens too so their volume/weight remains similar, they already weight half a pound.
In laptops with such a big screen, I don't see the point in having lower wattage GPUs - it's not suddenly going to become more portable being slightly thinner and lighter, and I think it's better to have a high wattage and then just cap the framerate with v-sync if you want it to run quieter. Compared to these 90-100 watt GPUs, I'm guessing the game will run smoother because it can briefly tap into extra power when needed and because the cooling is designed for 130+ watts it might also run quieter as well.
compared to what?
@@aeonbreak4728 i think he means the other laptops with higher wattage gpus like >130w
I'm actually looking for a good gaming laptop that uses under 120 watts, so i can use is while plugged into the cigerette lighter port in my Prius (it has 120w limit on the fuze)
@@chrisrichfield8906 bruh..
@@chrisrichfield8906 then i think you will need something with a gpu that uses around 80 w since the cpu also uses up to 45w ( that on ryzen's 2021 models)
The problem with the thin and light Stealth is that its barely any thinner and not really any lighter than the G77. The only reason I picked the GS77 over the G77hx was because the mousepad is where it's supposed to be. The mousepad on the Raider is sitting almost all the way to the left of the laptop... So your hand sits on it no matter where you place your hand on the keys. We need to get rid of mouse pads on gamers >
I love how concise your videos are. Biggest reason why I keep coming back! Keep up the great work
Ordered a Z16P. Returned it because the area above each hinge where the touchscreen is glued in was bending apart and had a noticeable gap. You can see the bend starting to occur in Dave's unit at 7:54.
Which one did you buy now
I’ve tested a few Alienwares and Legions. Really enjoy the keyboard and heavy duty build quality on Alienware. Asus would be great if half their memory wasn’t soldered and if their ROG machines had webcams (I use mine for work). MSI has a new set of laptops with Alder Lake HX processors so I may check those out.
@@eekhead1 I’m planning on buying Asus M16 what do you think about that one?
@@shivamtak171ulia It's a great machine. Good keyboard, good cooling, good display. Just be sure it has the amount of RAM you need since one RAM stick is soldered to the motherboard and can't be changed later.
MSI GS65 owner here (the one that appears at 01:42). Although I love the design of the Stealth devices, my experience is that the build quality is seriously bad. Not the chasis or the hinge, but the internal components, something that's normally excluded in the reviews for obvious reasons. My unit, after a few months it had a few RGB light keys burned, the bluetooth card is terrible (low range and disconnects frequently) and I had a swollen battery that needed to be replaced twice. All these issues in a period of 3 years. The first year is covered by warranty but then you have to pay repairs from your own pocket.
When you look online you can see is not just my unit. A lot of people is having the same issue with MSI laptops.
I hope MSI improves this cause I love their designs, but I won't buy another laptop from them just to confirm. I'll just go with Asus or another reliable brand that pays more attention to build quality. I hope this comment help others when deciding to buy a laptop.
Current GS66 user here, I agree on the LEDs issue, mine lasted only 6 months and half of them are dead, going to RMA soon hopefully it doesn't cost me too much
I can’t find a single review of the new Prometheus 17 laptop with water cooling , we need one
i had the gs66 stealth for about a year now and can definately see the sacrifices they made to make it thinner and lighter. Still love my 300hz 1080p screen 2tb ssd 32gb ram rtx3080 ( 95w :( ) i9 10th gen though
Good thing they allow us to undervolt. I recommend you to undervolt with throttlestop. You also can adjust turbo ratio to keep your device cool and quite during gaming.
@@kd-37 dude trust me im wouldnt buy a 3000 dollar machine to not undervolt it.My undervolting was even blocked by a new bios update sometime and i had to find a tricky way around to erase the undervolt blocking feature off of the bios lol. was a pain in the butt.I dont think that you can endure the heat of this machine on load without undervolting.
Got an 11th gen i7 w/ a 3080. While it can be loud and the performance isn't the best, it's very thin and the 1440p screen I got with it is very good.
i sold my gs76 cause i was sick and tired of random crashes mid gaming due to overheating and sometimes power
@@moparjr89 the gs76 imo isnt a very good machine + you should have undervolted it to prevent it from overheating.In fact any expensive gaming laptop you buy,you gotta undervolt to trade little to none performance loss for 10° less heat or even more
Thicker laptops for life! Bring back thicc laptops 😩
Newest XPS reviews would come from you as Dell releases them. It's been a while since they released the new xps line and still waiting for your review on them. Love your videos as always.
A creator laptop without an HDMI port is really a no-go for me. As a creator you often use beamers/big screens to present you work to customers, or you connect to a second monitor when working at the office. I have experienced it gets really annoying to carry around a dongle every time. They made the device thicker, but didn't bring back the HDMI port.
Also, the screen supports a special pen (which is great), but it doesn't flip around all the way. Now you have to work in such an akward position.
As a creator? the f have u created? u have 6 subs......
@@demonpower101 you know that there are creators outside the youtube bubble?
@@S41t4r4 Judging by his name, he prolly creates hand grenades... Hows HDMI port on a laptop gonna help with that?
@@demonpower101 judging your user name you create demon powers.
what are you even trying to prove?
that's what people say 10 years ago about VGA port. USB C is the future
All informations needed in this video, without all the useless overhead. Just perfect, as always !
I test the sh*t about the gs77 I9 12900H with an RTX 3080 and I can finally say he does not overheat! I'm happy. I'm 3500 euro's poorer now but I'm f*cking happy.
DAVE. THIS TITLE. AYYYYYOOOOOOO
Appreciate that while most of the brands are still sticking with gaming laptops, MSI do build sth gorgeous for creators.
I’ve had a MSI GS 65 stealth for 3 years, and I’ve loved it. Yeah the build quality is lacking, but the performance has been solid for a device so small. Also I think the gold accents makes it the nicest looking device in the entire line. It is nice to see that they are finally improving the build quality, but I’m just not a fan of the look of the new design.
i've had the same for 3 years, the keyboard lighting has become pathetic to control, the rgbs gave in a year ago and started malfunctioning showing different colors than it was supposed to and going of on certain colors. And the fan assembly, oh my, i had to take the whole assembly out as the fans on both CPU and GPU started buzzing so loud and vibrating so heavily as if it was a hacksaw cutting through stuff, so i lubed the fans minimally, repasted both die, then assembled all of it back and it all ran fine after that. but the sheer amount of panic that an average customer goes through after buying a relatively expensive product, makes the brand look unprofessional.
And now, the battery started popping which resulted in the trackpad coming off a little from left, both bottom and top, now i have been looking for a battery replacement, cuz the clicks on the pad feel very hollow and I have to press too hard, also it'll break other plastic parts if i don't replace it in time now.
Just. had to. let this all out. even after i have shat all over it, the performance is just marvelous....though it has suffered from thermal throttling and one of the SSD sticks just goes MIA from time to time.... so i dont know man, if you're facing all this, but would feel good to know.
@@arshbishnoi7731 dawg i have the exact same issues with the gs65
Finally a good, non-awkward trackpad size from MSI!
gs76 has a large very nice trackpad thats not akward at all
@@moparjr89 yes, their newest models this year with the 12th gen Intel have a more sensible trackpad shapes
Looks good - Thanks for your honesty as always - it is very much appreciated :)
Great video. Thank you so much for adding the Creator. I want to double check your argb on the GS77 because you list it so low. Most stats I've seen for this were much higher.
I get that when it comes to laptops, phones etc. the current trend is thinner is better. But I honestly wouldn't mind a thicc tank of a laptop, like an old school think pad, that has amazing thermals and battery life.
Part of it is that the battery can only be under 100 I think watthours to be allowed on airplanes.
@@andrewyoung4473 how about two batteries? One removable?
just falling in love with the design of MSI laptops ---and Dave's diamond ice cream t shirt !
Title alone is enough for me!
I bought the iPhone 13 pro max because they made it thicker. Making any device thicker and more performant is something I will happily support with money and I hope more companies get this
M1 iMac be like: *blank stare*
Haha energizer goes brrrrrrr
I don't understand why people don't like glossy screens in laptops. We have them in phones which are way more often used outside in the sun.
Hey man love your content keep it up , i wanted to mention this : at 3:25 the third row is half visible
Need more budget gaming laptop reviews !
I've on my second GS77 (10th gen now). I've always loved them in spite of it's flaws. It's about time they changed it.
one big concern about glass screen is that glass screen are really easy to catch dusty, which is annoying most time, so be sure before u pick an glass screen laptop search on amazon or eBay whether or not to find an screen protector for it.
I think in the past we all want technology device to be as portable as possible, as small and thin as possible. But I think at some point it shouldn't get smaller.
For things like laptop even if they can make the components smaller I'd rather they feel up the space so.e other way to make it perform better and more reliably, and also make the whole construct that much more durable.
Unless it's a whole generation of technology where the hardware becomes flexible and there is no need of solid structure.
Just bought the (2022) MSI GS77 2 days ago waiting on it to arrive. We’ll see how it goes. Bought it for music production. Learning video editing will come second and gaming Last since I have a Ps5.
The GS77 looks fantastic! It is exactly what I need for both work and game!
Why is the Z16P or 716P cut in half? @3:23
it's 40 / 43 / 50 db as shown in @8:39
i screwed up the crop lol. my b
@@Dave2D Mistakes happens.
@@Dave2D 😂
I appreciate the screw type that is lasered into the bottom panel (M2.5 3.3MM).
I was literally just thinking about the Stealth series because I LOVED my old GS65. Now using a GE66 Raider.
I got my Z16 last year off Best Buy... The best PC I ever purchased! You won't mistake buying this one. The only problem... It's a lot of money! And it killed my wallet, but I love it still! xD
yesssss, love the new thumbnail 😍
The GS series has continually tried to chase the design aesthetics of the razer blade, but always came up short (rough edges, loud fans...) It's good that they're trying to build up their own design language (though this new one reminds me of the old hp pavilion design but more premium)
Been waiting for a professional looking gaming laptop with higher than 1080p high refresh laptop I can work and game on without cringing the aesthetics. Z16 looks perfect since it still has a 10 key.
It's good to see MSI put more work in design
Bro I hate these new hinges that raise the keyboard
Whatever room youre in, is hella sweet (garage conversion?) Love the set up!
Z17 p 2022 that's what I'm waiting for it.. hope review of z17 or z16 p review come out as soon as possible..
Let’s be honest here. 0:05 the engineer was a razer engineer trying to justify the price tag
“With thickness, comes quickness”
~Dave 2022
Seems like that ice cream tee is very special to Dave.
Mux would do a lot to push it towards that 240 Hz refresh...(I'm sweaty about this)
the design of GS77 looks so chic
Quiet fan noise is a big selling point for me.
I use my MSI GT75 Titan in a shared space and high-end (Turbo Mode) fan noise that comes with most AAA gaming just isn't viable.
Gonna keep a close eye on this GS77 model when it hits market.
What a time to live in, glad to see OEMs stepping up big time.
I luv u! but please also do cover some budget devices too
IMO, this year's best gaming laptop is asus tuf F15 with 12700H + 3060/3070 at 140W. That wattage is going to make the difference in performance than other laptops in the same price point. Going to upgrade this year... No reviews from anyone yet :(
Would be keen to see a comparison of these devices with their top-of-the-line GE76! Thanks Dave!
Honestly still rocking the GS65, and my only complaints are the motherboard is flipped so upgrades are not easily accessible, and and the build quality I would say is just fair.
Been considering getting a new laptop, but seeing this puts another MSI computer in the running.
Like what he said, and as what we always know is that it’s really hard to have the laptop thin but solid and with high performance, but obviously MSI is good at satisfying both! GS77 & Creator Z16P are pretty impressive! Wanna have a real experience on them!
I personally like the new design of MSI's laptops. And, the screen of Z16P looks super awesome!
Advanced laptop from MSI.. Thanks Dave for the comparison review..
That Ghost model has bezels straight outta 2014. Jesus, it's like looking at an iMac display with those thiccc boys. 3 CCC yes
Ok the Z16P is ticking the box for me... That aspect ratio, the 180° hinge, and the touch screen, that's exactly what I need.
The only concern I have is the battery life, an average of 3 and a half hours isn't bad, but isn't great at all when compared to so many others..
And I heard someone complain about the hinge of MSI Z series, that's the exact same issue I have now with my Lenovo Yoga 730.. Hinge is gone, laptop is stationary, and I spent a lot getting it... Now I just can't move it.
I've been having issues finding who can fix it here, haven't found anyone yet.
That said, I'll keep an eye on the Z16P... I think I might get it in the future if my pocket allows me..
More light on it Dave, maybe after some extra use if possible. Thanks man and great video 👍👌💯
This was very comprehensive. My eyes thirst for them🔥
I bought the MSI Delta 15 recently and the hinge broke in 2 weeks. After looking into it seems like they've had hinge issues for years already. I'm never, ever buying MSI again.
Please review AMD 6000 series laptop.
"Stay Thicc" - Dave TzuD, The art of War
i was wondering about the effect that the lower wattages would have on the 3070ti but it doesn't look like it was a big deal, maybe a minor deal at most, thx for the review
all these idiots are gonna be on the msi forum complaining about why their temps are 105C
Can't wait what will be Dave's laptop of the year.
I have been watching Dave's videos for 4 years now and I have always appreciated his balance between in-depth assessments and summarized reviews. However, this video seemed a little rushed and the fact that he ended the video talking about battery life seems a tad bit strange, to me at least.
Could you explain why, to you, it was a strange ending?
Actually yeah I noticed the same thing. There’s a point where he switched 1080p and 1440p, and don’t correct himself. Also a point where the graph is cut off on the bottom.
The dude has a full-time job tbf, this is technically his ‘side gig’. I defo agree though, great review but a bit out of character
@@Tritium514 His first “not good” review was the “review” of the 2021 Legion 5 Pro. One of the worst he’s ever done. But I do agree that thiccer is better.
The title... Dave please
I dunno. I actually don't like the MSI GS77 design since it detracts from the more cleaner aesthetics of yesteryear. Reminds me of the 2019 Omen. It's probably the back end. But I do agree that the extra mm of thickness helps a lot. It makes thin and light more thermally capable.
Maybe you can check out the TUF Dash F15 2022. It's also a complete redesign but still maintain thiness with what seems to be capable thermals.
Currently im rocking a gs66 from a few years back and I gotta say, i really do not like that hinge and chin on the gs77. I love that in theory my gs66 fits perfectly at work. If i had to switch now, id probably go for a zephyr, especially now that they have cameras
Love your channel Dave💓💞💕
Really like the new design of GS77, looks stylish and cool!!
Not for me, I prefer GS66 looks.
I am with you on this crazy thin issue for sure, I would also like to see Laptop companies bring back or re-add the 2.5 space for storage especially now that they have the 8TB SSD available nowadays
I for one AM a Gamer, but don’t do much these days as far as graphic content, I do however have a very large iTunes video file, so large storage space for our movies and tv shows me and my Late wife could watch when we were on holiday trips or just traveling away from home, yes could relay on streaming but not all hotels have good enough internet or is too expensive for the time we are there just saying, remake room for the 2.5 drives again please tell them DAVE2D give it to them straight Rock lol :)
At a certain point, I don't think there's a need for a thin device when it sucks. Some ppl buy gaming laptops just because they are "casual gaming" but they still do and get an additional monitor as I did. I didn't buy my laptop but I wanted one just for the entrance point. Now I m planning to get something decent as a desktop but maybe in 2023-2024.
You have to realize that some people play games not on a flat surface like a desk. I use my laptop on the go. Typically in a hotel (or a place that my only surface is the bed), and utilize it on a bed next to me for content. I have also used it on my lap, even though it is a notebook (NOT a laptop). There are things that MSI does to be good overall.
My biggest gripe is the downfiring speakers, they are trash for my situation. The grill on top is also key for my situation. Which is why I say MSI made products for everyone.
Which one you’ll prefer Alienware x17 R2 or MSI GS77?
Hey Dave if you have been using M1 MacBook Air till now please share yor long term experience briefly. Will appreciate it a lot!! Great video as always !!
It suck for anything beyond web browsing
Lasts all day browsing the Web and watching RUclips. Not much else you can do tho
Could we give the graphs a little bit more screen time please, like while you explain about it - i know i can pause but I would like to listen and see also. Thank You.. 👌
I know I'm being unbelievably childish but I burst into laugh at 8:14
Please also have a look on the new Z17 from MSI. Would be interesting to have your opinion on that device.
2:58
Wait why is it giving 80fps on forza? My 1660ti @80W gives that kind of performance at high-ultra settings at 1080p
Either the MSI was at max settings (Forza settings can go all the way up to "Extreme") or you should not buy this laptop. But going off my experience (Of which I don't have much TBH), the former is more likely.
Nice how about z17 a review soon?
Great video.👍🏾👍🏾
*Dave I think you should make laptops long term reviews too* 👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿
MSI slim version laptop always my love!!!
Check that hinge design before pulling the trigger and make sure it's been improved. I just finished paying $150 to have a new lid put on my gs65 because the hinge design on it is horrid and the hinge broke in
Not overly impressedby these 2 devices. There are other laptops like M16 and G15 from Asus which, despite being lighter and similarly thin, now coming with higher TGP, 120w, to the GPU. The M16 and G15 also have similarly impressive 2.5K display which is brighter and covering similar color gamut coverage, MUX Switch, making them far more suitable for both gaming and Creative works. Battery life, there is MSI or other any brand can do, despite having those huge battery....that comes with having Intel chips...with great performance, comes poor battery life.
Man I love the new Z16P. Still only max 64GB of RAM though. If there was a 16GB VRAM and 128GB Max RAM option I would consider it. That would really cover the Creator in the name for me.
Im getting the gs because the hx has some ghost white bug with windows, im a little bummed tbh, but this video cheered me up a little bit
You gotta check those Cyberpunk messages, Dave!
How good is the creator z16p? Spec wise and from this video is seems really good, but i don't see anyone talking about it, or putting it on lists of best laptops. Its always Zephyrus, xps, macbook, razer. Is it comparable to those? I code, game, and do some video editing.
What are your thoughts on the GE77? Are you able to do a video comparison of all the MSI Gaming Laptops for 2022? Especially the GE77 HX (2022) vs GE76 (2022)! Would greatly appreciate it.