Abortion in Europe | DW Documentary
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- In Europe, the right to abortion is not universal. Poland is the scene of vociferous protests against some of the continent’s strictest abortion laws. Further south, in Italy, some doctors refuse to terminate pregnancies - even in medical emergencies.
Valentina should still be alive, Salvatore Milluzzo is sure of that. His daughter died in 2016. Pregnant with twins, she was taken to a hospital where doctors refused her an abortion for idealogical reasons, despite the acute danger to her life. This resulted in the deaths of both the unborn babies and the 32-year-old mother. Many women wishing to have an abortion in Italy meet resistance: 70 per cent of doctors there refuse to participate in surgery to terminate a pregnancy, even if the law permits it.
Poland has effectively moved to ban all abortions. For months now, Marta Lampert has been organizing protests against the government and the ultra-conservative Christian lobbyist organization Ordo Iuris. She rejects the paternalism of the church: "Our movement is the reaction to a patriarchal culture, to a patriarchal, fundamentalist state that treats women especially badly.”
In Spain too, Christian fundamentalists are trying to torpedo the statutory right of pregnant women to have an abortion. There are frequent reports of expectant mothers being deliberately deceived about the health of their embryo in a bid to "force” them into giving birth to a severely disabled child.
In Germany too, women seeking an abortion still face considerable hurdles, particularly in rural regions. In the Catholic city of Münster, few doctors are willing to carry out the procedure. Gynecologist Kristina Hänel runs a practice in Gießen. For years, she’s been embroiled in a high-profile legal battle. Anti-abortionists and public prosecutors say her website is breaking the law. At issue is a controversial paragraph of the criminal code prohibiting doctors from advertising their abortion services.
The pro-choice lobby is heartened by the new coalition government’s plan to scrap the offending "paragraph 219.” But this change in the law won’t necessarily make it easier for doctors to inform patients about abortions, let alone carry them out. After all, fanatical anti-abortionist voices are unlikely to be silenced. Consequently, many doctors simply decide not to offer the service at all.
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Ending a pregnancy by delivery to save a woman's health/life is basic medical care. If the babies had any chance of survival they would have done an immediate cesarean on them. Instead they allowed her to die while waiting for them to die. They should be in prison and banned from medicine.
Nope. Doctors have personal rights as well and the woman’s right does not supersede. Sucks, not fair but that is equality. Women do not have the right to define equality, they must live with that, like men.
@@overlandecuador8893 Well doctors are even required to try an save the life of a murder if the come into the ER!!
@@Smile56329 Apparently not in some countries.
@@overlandecuador8893 Nope, you are so wrong. Doctors have a responsibility to save the life of the patient, no matter their moral ethics. Saving an enemy soldier is a responsibility. Why not an innocent woman who will die without treatment?! Your reasoning is f’d up!! Men do not have the right to define equality! Who the F are you!?
just birth the baby. it's quicker than abortion.
That is disgusting literally letting that woman die when you know the births will not come to term is inexcusable. They should be thrown in jail!
Abortion is a subconscious sacrifice to a demon called Baphomet.
Doctors are high value individuals, not just monetarily either. Your cries are useless
@@kiyr91 but they still killed a woman, literally, even if that was based in their values as you say, Hence they should be put to trial and if found guilty, should pay the price...
@@yuditilany So with that logic, any death that happened with doctors, they should be put on trail even if there was no chance of the patient surviving?
@@DJVideso in this case if she had been given an "abortion" of the already dead foetus, she would have survived.... sickening
The fetus would not survive, so I'm gonna make sure the mother goes along for the ride.
-my moral grounds
Abortion is a subconscious sacrifice to a demon called Baphomet.
Refusing to abort whilst knowing the babies wont survive anyway. And in the process not treating a life threathening issue. How is that compliant with the hippocratic oath and makes sense?
Not much modern medicine is in line with the oath
We should fight for every life, otherwise when doctor thinks that his patient won't survive he can terminate him immediately from any life support.
@@Anthrax6989 that’s false equivalency. Shove that book up yourself and think like a rational human being.
@@crazyson6153 It's only a false equivalency if you don't believe that a fetus has life. Relearn your logical fallacies and try to understand the thought process of others instead of getting self-righteously pedantic.
Abortion is a subconscious sacrifice to a demon called Baphomet.
It find it monstrous & horrific that DOCTORS who are meant to SAVE lives, just stood around and let a beautiful young lady die. Man that is so VERY wrong. SICKENING.
Well it's more a dilemma, try save the baby or try save the woman. I think this choice should be made by the patient and the family and not the doctors.
So if the woman was older ugly and fat it would be OK?
@@dadikkedude There was no dilemma in this case. The fetuses were dying and they literally let their corpses give the woman sepsis.
Abortion is a subconscious sacrifice to a demon called Baphomet.
@@pedrolopes3542 what ? is that your moral stand
What kind of moral grounds do you have to fucking wait out the guaranteed deaths of two stillborns? What the hell? At best that's prolonging the suffering of all involved. And in the case of Valentina they saw the worse possible outcome. Absolutely ridiculous.
Well that's non-jews for you.
Solution? Learn who are conscientious objectors prior. 30% of the doctors will abort.
There should be law to list doctors who are conscientious objectors on moral ground for abortion that can be publically access, so consumers/patients can choose their doctors correctly. Make it as consumers protection, consumers has right to choose their service providers.
the problem is that the list will be used to harass people
@Monkeys Will you just listen to what you're saying?! 🙄 A doctor is a trained professional whose primary task is to heal human beings and save lives, not target, destroy and kill at the consumer's command! As such, s/he is acting totally within her/his competence when s/he objects to poor and life endangering, bogus, medical practice. And btw, freedom of conscience is an internationally recognized human right, as is the right to life.
No there shouldn't. If it is an emergency the woman can't look through a list, try to figure out where the doctor works and then go there. She might not even be conscious. Doctors like this should simply loose their license and be criminally charged,
@@FuzzyKittenBoots Just wondering when we'll see all the doctors performing abortions on healthy, developing innocent human lives and healthy women being charged and criminalised... 🤔
@@m.forrestal5893 That depends on what country you're in? Where I am it's incredibly unlikely to happen, for which I am extremely grateful.
Also in most cases a doctor doesn't really perform abortions, they hand you the pills and you take them yourself.
Abolishing reproductive rights and refusing to perform an abortion to save the mother's life is the murder part...
@Zaetheus Oh because you care more about your personal interpretation of biology than the life of a grown woman with a career who would have the chance to bear many more children if her life is saved by an abortion. I see. You would rather women die than an unfinished fetus that is killing the mother when it gets sick...
Then what is the difference? I life list is a life lost. No biggie right, we are all just a clump of cells.
@@overlandecuador8893 what you said didn't make sense.
@@Skies133 A life list is a life lost….I was driving and Siri sucks🤣
@@overlandecuador8893 Not all life is the same otherwise we'd all be hard core vegans too afraid to kill a mosquito.
On a finite planet, with dwindling resources and growing inequality, how many more poor children do we need? There are millions of children without the possibility for a good education, healthy food and job opportunities and they are just supposed to "be".
And if that child happens to be a girl, her life so precious when she was in the womb will become worthless for the "prolifers" when she gets pregnant herself 😐
So, in other words, the solution to making sure there are no poor people is to end the lives of unborn babies? Did I get that right.?
Christians are evil 😅
So your argument beceause these kids might not have an opportunity in life we should kill them???
@@frusia123 Not in rich countries, for they have usually social welfare money
This is heartbreaking. Barbaric. That poor woman taking so long to die..in a hospital, surrounded by the doctors and equipment that could have saved her life and her suffering in minutes. This is nothing to do with ' moral' objections, this is rampant misogyny.
I had no idea abortion was illegal in Germany, even if just technically. Why hadn't that law been changed?
Perhaps they find it inhumane?
Abortion is NOT illegal in Germany. That's an intentional misinterpertration of the law by self hating Germans.
It's legal on request till 12 weeks or it's atleast unpunished. If it's unpunished then it's legal.
ofc its illegal, germany's population is declining. If there would be no immigrants to work, germany would bankropt in a year
@@Erneszt94 It's better to go Bankrupt than be replaced by unintegrible middle easterners who favour their outdated religious beliefs over modern western values.
It comes down to the German basic law (constitution), which goes back to 1949 and says life begins at conception. This is extremely hard to amend because unlike other laws to amend the constitution you have to go through special procedures like in pretty much every country.
They decided to just not enforce the law in the 90s though so it doesn't make an awful lot of difference.
Got to sue these doctors for malpractice for letting their patient die. If they don't want save her then send for someone who will . Just don't let her die. I wonder what these doctors do if the patients are their wives or daughters.
Oh, they must perform secret abortions, so the world doesn't find out about their lovely daughters out of wed pregnancies.
I appreciate DW for highlighting these issues. In the case of the Italian woman, I don't understand why she wasn't at least given oral if not IV antibiotics which are commonly prescribed during pregnancy including any range of penicillins, cephalosporins, or clindamycin. If I'm following the logic of these conscientious objector physicians and ultra conservative Catholic beliefs, then any medical intervention would be contrary to God's plan for the individual in question. If you have a heart attack, then you only get paracetamol/Tylenol. If you have a stroke, you only get paracetamol/Tylenol, etc.
My Spell-Checker messed up again.
I typed God's, not GOP's.
Actually, Catholic beliefs do not prohibit the use of oral or IV antibiotics, nor early medical intervention when the life of a woman is in imminent danger. The aim is always to try and save both lives, if possible, even if that might lead to the unintentional or indirect death of the unborn child.
Why become a doctor if you believe that way 😣
@@m.forrestal5893 I think you're right, but that doesn't stop some unscrupulous people from hiding behind what they call their "catholic beliefs".
They just want to torture women for having sex.
I don’t understand why Valentina’s doctors didn’t treat her pain or sepsis.
Neither do the parents.
misogyny.
Sepsis can be difficult to recognize until it's too late. Either way, abortion is not the treatment: the rapid application of antiobiotics is the treatment for sepsis... It might also be noted here that wome also die of sepsis after an abortion. There are many such cases, but the media do not like highlighting them as they disprove the claim that abortion is safe!
@@m.forrestal5893 I’m a doctor. No, it’s not hard to recognize sepsis. And the case I’m talking about happened as the result of carrying a dead baby, not because of an abortion. And abortion in early pregnancy is safer than continuing a pregnancy to its conclusion, statistically.
Regardless I’m talking about the woman being allowed to suffer and die. You sound like you’re fine with women dying.
@@PeachysMom No, I am not fine with women dying, but women die all over the world every day. It's part of life... 🙄 Little women also die brutally in huge numbers every day, torn asunder in their mother's womb before they get the chance to see the light of day, but that doesn't seem to bother pro-choice/abortion activists too much... 😞
Every case were the mother will be in danger or incest should be able to have a abortion.
Wow. I would never have guessed that the situation was so backward in Europe!! Even Germany! It’s appalling!
It's not that appalling when the only dificulty is to travel 150km. Of course there are complications, as shown in the video.
It looks like it is getting worse and worse in many countries, unfortunately.
@@gatanegra8815yep that imginary sky daddy has alot to answer for.
The outcome of abortion law restriction in Poland. July is the month with the biggest number of births in Poland. In July 2021 (9 months after the law restriction) births have dropped by 15%. February this year had the least births since the 2nd World War.
How accurate the info? It can't be true.
Good.
Abortion is a subconscious sacrifice to a demon called Baphomet.
@@jo9932 The Ukrainian refuges ?
Women aren't consenting to sex out of fear of pregnancy.
Good for them!
as someone living in Turkey, it even surprised me. why do i say like this? Because Turkey is a secular country but turkish people is mostly conservative but abortion did not ban in turkey, or rather there is not high demand in this issue. Europe countries were very liberal in my sight. Yes, conservatives are in every country, i know but even so i'm surprised that the things I heard.
But Kurdish want their own country
@@joexavier8870 kurdish just dreamin, it will never happen :))
@@oguz8795 jn future turks will give 35 % of their country to kurds ....long live Kurdista🏆n
Its because christianity is against abortion but islam allows abortion
I believe that in Islam there is a different belief about when a foetus is considered a person, even in secular countries, these kinds of cultural influences matter. Isn't it 5 months or something like that? So abortion isn't seen in the same way because modern Christianity considers that life begins at conception.
Women simply won't be willing to get pregnant at all. This has happened in poland
That should be an alternative to abortion any day! 👏
@@itsjustmyopinionbut1671 I think we're talking about wanted pregnancies. If you thought you might not be able to get life saving care, you might avoid getting pregnant at all, which seems to fly in the face of encouraging traditional families like these right wing groups propose. Pregnancy used to be incredibly risky and it seems like people don't realize without access to termination you're taking us right back to time when many women could expect to die.
Gasp, they'll close their legs? Oh no, lol.
@@tdb19872 Yes, because in countries with low birth rates we know it’s because no sex is happening. It’s almost like there is a thing called birth control.
Also, just an FYI since you seem to have poor sex education, pregnancy doesn’t occur when a woman spreads her legs. That’s not how babies are made. That would make yoga classes and ballet widely unpopular!
The world is already overpopulated
It should horrify everyone with a conscience that the Catholics have created a “hospice” where they “care” for terminally doomed babies that mothers have been forced to birth, and which have horrific defects, until they die “naturally.” When a pet is sick and in pain, we put it down to end its suffering. It is an act of mercy. These people will not even extend that mercy to a helpless, suffering baby. Instead, they choose to deliberately increase and prolong the suffering of both the mother and child as much as possible. That is how much respect and regard they have for human life. They appear to be dangerous zealots who are acting out their sadomasochistic religious impulses on helpless, dying babies which they treat as ritualistic fetish objects in their perverse theatre of Christ mythology.
People who really care about the suffering ease their pain until they die naturally, not help them to die faster.
Equal rights to live for all.
"They appear to be..." Interesting wording! It suggests you actually know few Catholics, and even less about their actual beliefs. Maybe you could educate yourself better before writing such an ignorant, bigoted and vitriolic comment.
@@KingPingviini you can decide that for you not for me. Thank you.
So well put
I’m sick to my stomach listening to this. We as physicians are here to save lives, not provide our moral and religious beliefs, which may interfere with the lives of patients. My goodness. This is so sickening.
Totally agree, why should someones imginary friend in the sky impact my decisions.
So let's see Catholicism, anti abortion, probably anti birth control....what could possibly go wrong? 🤔👹
Whoredom not put on a pedestal. It pushes men and women to behave better.
Yeah and getting married and having happy strong families - what a nightmare!!
Christianism is the cancer of western society.
@@brandonhassell9583 smooth brain alert
Islam is the same, you know. Even worse compared to Christians. Just look up nations that allow abortion, you won't see many Muslim nations.
Question 1: If this is partly about preserving the family unit, should divorce be illegal?
Question 2: If this is about the fetus' human rights, should the fetus have legal guarantees from the father for child support starting at conception?
Question 3: If this is about the fetus' rights, should governments make it legal for parents to purchase life insurance for the fetus at conception?
Question 4: Should there be laws around how men engage in reproductive activities with women to ensure that they don't create a fetus (then child) that they can't care for?
Question 5: Should all religious beliefs be incorporated into government law? If so, which religions and which beliefs get incorporated and which do not?
Should I,as a man that is 50% involved in the conception of the fetus,be allowed to have a right of veto and oppose the abortion,since we're in a relationship and I want to be a father as much as she wants to get an abortion?
@@iblendallday not exactly 50%. All the man does up until birth in this type of situation is provide sperm. It should be up to the woman since she is carrying the child for 9 months, which is very physically taxing on the body and can lead to death.
Since women risk more, they should have the right to abort at will.
@@iblendallday Interesting question.
Should the government set up some kind of arbitration court if the mother and father don't agree on whether they both want the fetus and become parents?
I like how you bring up to those fundamental questions. I just men don't want to actively participate in pregnancy neither abortion justice for women. Some men are care but I don't see the majority step up yo care about women's pregnancy It's like her problem and her decision to get pregnant. Nonetheless, don't get pregnant at the first place, and don't hope the guy will help you with supporting the child, if men are responsible creatures, there would not be many single mothers, orphans, use protection, and continue to advocate for abortion rights otherwise if women don't fight for themselves, nobody would care about women, leave alone pregnancy. You can't rely on government assistance when abortion is the least issue on their national, city agenda.
Secularism is a religion which you are imposing on religious folks
Religion is so hurtful. Forcing their ideas on others.
These cases are very rare. We don't live in the dark ages anymore.
God isn’t hurtful. People using their own ideas projected falsely through God? Absolutely hurtful.
@@rotonuz US citizens would disagree
Not even ideas. Religion means one believes that they have an imaginary friend called god or gods. It's like believing in fairy tales for adults. It's just irrational.
@@rotonuz the fact that in Italy is difficult to find an hospital where you can have an abortion isn't rare.
Let's drop the pretense that this is about babies. If males were the ones with uteruses, I bet you anything nobody would try to ban abortion.
You dont even have any way to prove it? What use is there in saying something you can't show would happen, I dont even understand that use of saying "that if men could get pregnant", men cant.
Overstatement in a huge way.
@@overlandecuador8893 No it's not. You don't see church people and Pro-Forced Pregnancy and Delivery people attacking men with vasectomies.
@@xoxo3588 No equivalency between a vasectomy and murdering babies. The ultimate choice to murder a child ALWAYS is made by the mother, the uterus one.
@@xoxo3588 Having a vasectomy doesn't end a life.
I had no idea abortion was still illegal in Germany. The fact that abortion was legalised in the UK in 1968 just made me automatically assume that everywhere else in western Europe, except for particularly religious countries such as Italy, would have done the same by now. I can understand some of the arguments against abortion, but if a women has been r*ped, or it's medically necessary, then there's no excuse for it to not be an option.
I don’t understand the misconception that religion would be the only moral reason to ban abortion. Many pro-lifers are not religiously affiliated. Although, I think most universally agree that abortion should be utilized only in extreme circumstances such as SA, rape, extreme medical issues, etc
Abortion is legal in germany until 12 weeks and allowed after that for exceptional cases. The idea that it's illegal is a myth. Look at any map which colors country regarding their legal status of abortion and Germany is always one of the green countries.
@@itsjustmyopinionbut1671 It is primarily a religious thing. Opinion polls show that the vast majority of pro-lifers have religious motivations behind their reasoning.
@@itsjustmyopinionbut1671 exactly
No surprise why western countries are becoming more oldage...europe is doomed
How tf is it pro life to let both mother and fetus to die?
All these anti-abortion people should adopt the orphans first and then say something about caring for someone’s life.
That´s right, well said.
@Star Pets what kids? if you get an abortion you dont have kids
So for not taking care of orphans in a society is better to kill them when they are defenseless in the womb?
@Star Pets do you know that contraceptives are only 90% safe? There is still a 10% chance of ending up in an unwanted pregnancy. People have to become parents when they feel like doing it, and when the mother feels ready to carry the physical and mental burden of a pregnancy. We have enough bad parents and kids suffering out there, we don't need to add more sorrow
Wow, I'm so shocked. I thought religion fanaticism was dying down. I didn't realize it still had such a great hold on people.
In South Africa we have much bigger problems to be worrying ourselves with such nonsense. Women and children are raped almost very hour, we can't expect them to raise the product of that, in poverty nonetheless. Women can have an abortion for any reason.
Many prolifers aren’t even religiously affiliated; they just value human life and find abortion “for any reason” to be inhumane. There’s no excuse for using abortion as a means of birth control. Aside from extreme circumstances like medical issues or SA, there’s no need for abortion.
Religious Fanaticism = me not being able to force my views on the Christian or Muslim etc doctor take a trip back to 1820 for me
No surprise why segregation still exists in south Africa
Product? Humans conceived in rape are precisely that: HUMANS, not products! Women who have experienced both rape and abortion are on record as saying that their abortion was more traumatic than the rape, and that while they found healing after the rape, they never got over their abortion. Women also say that choosing life was a victory over their rape, and that their child actually brought them healing and gave them a reason to live. Many people conceived in rape have also gone on to live fulfilling and fruitful lives. They are not their rapist father, neither should they be penalised for his deeds. I mean, seriously, the rapist gets a ten year sentence and the innocent child gets life! Where is the justice in that? And how does abortion change anything? The women you refer to in your comment may still live in poverty afterwards. They may experience more rape, more domestic violence, more incest. Abortion does not change that. It merely adds to their pain and trauma, and often assists the perpetrators of violence, rape and incest in hiding their crimes, as well as possibly coercing their victims into an abortion. Women and their unborn children deserve better! Much better!
@@m.forrestal5893 you lack humanity
This is not about abortion ! This is about doctors not complying with their Hyppocratic Oath : PRIMO NON NOCERE.
Such doctors are criminals. Life of mother should be the priority. She could bring in future more babies.
Exactly. They viewed her as simply a baby-making machine and then they killed her anyway, even when it was her goal to make babies. This is why no woman is safe without laws must protect the right to abortion immediately.
These criminals bury the body of the fetus and then write the name of their mom on it! AS IF A BABY WAS CONCEIVED BY THEIR MOM ONLY. Criminals!
Isn't really criminal mate. Not saying it isn't morally wrong but do you think politicians care about fetuses getting buried? They got bigger issues going on.
If I were the parents, I would have identified an abortion/logic friendly hospital, and took my daughter out of that death lab fast.
I am sure he did, the problem was he came to know most of the doctors/ clinics 70% are like that in Italy ..and it is next to impossible.
What a gentleman.
@@9876karthi 30% were available.
He didn't know and by the time she admitted she was too sick for transfer. Even if there was a point she could have been transferred, it was all hindsight. In the moment they didn't have a complete understanding of what was going on.
Abortion is a subconscious sacrifice to a demon called Baphomet.
The fact is that a fetus is replaceable as opposed to a mother's life. Abortion is and will always be a tough decision but you cannot wait to loose both lives as a doctor. This is a very sad thing to take place in 21st century.
Yes. But sadly abortion goes way beyond Risk or rape.
This is literally the uncomfortable truth. You know in American politics, you can't even bother saying that. You'll just be considered evil and debate is over. You gotta play there stupid game and try to tell them the damn thing isn't sentient. You're brain is where you began and end. I don't remember the womb.
The state should never be allowed to dictate what happens to one's own body. That does not only go way beyond every democratic norms, but also calls in question the democratic state of any country that has similar legislation. Important to note: these countries that are fighting so hard against abortion are taking part in the advertising of abortion in third world countries, they even provide financial background, citing that contraception, and if that fails, abortion is the solution to the poverty in these countries - hypocrisy at its best!
Your delusional. That ideology is exactly what Nazis used to kill millions.
No ones trying to control your body, they’re trying to protect the one inside of you
Does that include vaccines?
@@martinvds1081 it isn’t a part of your body. It’s dependent upon your body … there’s a difference. It is not you.
@@martinvds1081 under what reasoning does it become a person only after birth?
Oh my God! How do I find myself so ignorant about this until I watched this documentary. Thank you DW!
Which part? The one where they push abortion beyond birth?
Abortion is a subconscious sacrifice to a demon called Baphomet.
@@sergdamian1324 allowing women to die when knowing in fact she is not healthy enough to birth.
@@mebeb6399 is that before she gives birth or after? 😄😄
@@sergdamian1324 both, why would you not tru to save the mother. The baby is already gone, does her life not matter to you ? Sick
Religion is a curse.
Religion is a beautiful thing. Or it was until white men found a way to turn the church into pedophile paradise with the ability to manipulate government laws on woman’s body’s without consent.
The Italian case sounds like that of Savita Halappanavar in Ireland.
Savita wanted her baby as well by the way.
Well, then she got what she wanted, unlike poor Valentina.
@@imalrockme Savita's baby died. At around the same time she did herself. She was helped too late.
@@emmajones8590 What I mean is Savitra wanted her baby no matter what the consequences were, like she offered her body 'in sacrifice' as so many pregnant women do. Not the case of Valentina.
@@imalrockme Not true. Savita begged for an abortion, as she was miscarrying, seriously ill and in a great deal of pain.
She was refused, with the reason being given, that Ireland is a Catholic country, anti-abortion and the foetus still had a heartbeat. She went into shock later and died. Together with the foetus she was carrying.
Savita wanted to live.
@@emmajones8590 Oh, hadn't realized that, sorry. That's an awfull story. here in Portugal, abortion was a crime untill 2007, when a referendum took place. The law admited abortion in cases of rape, mental conditions which would object delivering a baby - not imposed by law, just at the request of the pregnant woman -, of inviable foetus, of any deficiency that the child would carry, if being born, as detected in the foetus.
Women who would decide to abort in any other conditions, often went to Spain, our neighbour country and take the procedure.
Life of a woman is always more important than fetus. How can the number of doctors-objectors be on the rise? In "very conservative" Russia abortions are legal for more than 60 years without any restrictions. In any region, besides very small Muslim regions, a woman can find a doctor to perform an abortion. From Moscow to Vladivostok, from Saint Petersburg to Novosibirsk...
I'm absolutely against organ transplantation/organ donation. I'd never give an organ to someone, and I'd never agree to get an organ from another person, BUT I support right to abortion.
fetus it`s not a woman?
It wasn't the "conservative Russia" that legalized abortion. It was the Soviet Union. Not the best example of a role model society.
Here we go Russian comes to praise the freedom of the country while genociding and destroying culture in neighboring country with a fascist sentiment and having anti gay and transgender laws and backwards articles in constitution.
Why is the life of the woman more important?
So go live in Russia...
I can´t understand how someone can think it is more moral to have a baby with defect that will die soon after birth to be left alive and suffer+have the woman suffer having to carry on pregnancy knowing the child will soon die. One might think that religous people would want to child and woman not go trough so much suffering unnesecerarly but here we are...
Ordos Iuris should understand that their definition of "human being" apply to tumor as well....so we should not kill cancer?
Good point. Let me guess: they are a bunch of hypocrites and religious fanatics. They would probably let the majority of the plebs die of cancer...but they would come up with some sort of excuse that would allow them and their family members to be treated.
I think that doctors should be able to opt out of doing abortions EXCEPT when the pregnant woman’s life is at stake. I truly don’t understand how they could let that Italian woman die. As I understand it, there was no way that the fetuses were going to make it to term anyway, so why not remove them to save the woman’s life? Even if these doctors were opposed to abortion, how could they be opposed to it in that case? I wonder if her parents can sue those doctors. Sounds like their daughter didn’t have to die.
I know a woman who almost bleed to death, because doctors at St. Elizabeth's in DAYTON,OHIO thought she might be pregnant.
Just don't be a doctor. If you don't want to have to save the life of a woman or a criminal. Just don't be a doctor, there are plenty of other things you can do in life.
Doctors/surgeons do what is necessary to save a life, even when abortion may be necessary (eg implantation in fallopian tubes). Edge cases like this of unknown risk are a part of life and medicine, there is never perfect certainty in medicine.
Doctors see death all the time. Why should they risk anything.
@@bthemedia not an edge case when all the doctors at that clinic were conscientious objectors and they knew the babies would not come to term and they did many things that were negligent.
An edge case is where an accident or a mistake leads to death or suffering. This example was criminal negligence.
Disgraceful suffering was ignored untill death occoured.
Shows how dangerous dogma is.
Find Your Humanity
If I had power, I would punish those religious fanatics! Everyone has the right to decide how to handle their lives! I'm a Christian but that's too much for me! no church has the right to interfere in people's lives!
But wait, if you were to punish them, you would have interfered in their lives and according to your own beliefs, you should be punished for that.
@@ontheroad151 I am impunity but they shake themselves!
This is why you do not have ALL the power. There are options and choices. Choose one or some but sorry we could not make killing kids more convenient for you.
Woah 😂 interesting christian you are
@@ontheroad151 too bad evil people deserve punishment for causing human misery
This simply infuriates me! Abortion is a basic health care right and,as such, a human right. Women’s lives are at stake.
in the case where an abortion would save the woman's life then it should be legal, otherwise it is an absolutely heinous crime.
@@unnamed4063 people and especially children need to get better sex ed and abortion should definitely be legal with rape pregnancies
Abortion isn't healthcare buy an act of barbarism
@@unnamed4063 I don't agree with you. Nobody should use a women's body without her consent, not even a fetus
Ya you’re crazy. Other than medical complications or severe cases like raped teenagers etc, it’s a total bs issue and not at all a human right.
90% of abortions are for irresponsible people who didn’t practice safe sex or were lazy. And all the statistics back that up.
Instead of 2 lives getting lost, 3 were lost. Real morals are devoid of pride. But in our society, people with most pride and arrogance make morals
The One who should have the Final decision is the one who is going through the pregnancy ! It doesn't matter how it came to be. Neither her condition or circumstances.
The title of this documentary is misleading because it only talks about the situation in a few countries in Europe. In most European countries abortion is regulated by law. Germany, Italy and Poland are not representing the whole continent. It would have been nice if the documentary would have included the implementation of abortion in other European countries where women can get the medical support they need. In some countries a doctor who refuses to do an abortion for whatever reason ( ethical, religious, etc) should refer the woman to another doctor. This is (in some countries) included in the law about abortion. What happened to the Italian woman is just horrible.
But even then Italy and Poland make up a significant percentage of the EU pop. So it makes it very worrying.
I see your point, it's an excellent documentary focussing on the issues with abortion in Europe, I don't know how I would have named it but sure. However a slightly German centric view makes sense, just like CNN has an American perspective and the BBC puts a British world view forward this is a German public network, so while looking at other parts of Europe too they did focus the documentary on the countries that actually have an issue in the matter. A map might have reconciled you with the documentary mentioning all of Europe, but in general I like that they addressed the issue and weren't like "All well in Sweden!" for the sake of completeness, because that would have detracted from the point they were trying to make about abortion issues.
The US Supreme Court justices needs to watch this.
Not really. The story of the mother in Italy with dead twins has some fallacy and bias inserted. Research.
@@overlandecuador8893 agree
the supreme court if anything would be more motivated by these morally bankrupt doctors in italy
@@overlandecuador8893 You stated your arguments above. You're not very interested in Valentina's story.
They are sadistic people
What a pathetic excuse for a doctor! *Monsters!*
This is a complicated subject. All I can say is religion has no place in politics and public service, and abortion should be a personal decision and an undisputed right. What somebody does with their unborn fetus is none of anyone else's business.
Religion and politics both should not influence our decisions. Beyond risk and rape most of these cases could be prevented by understanding what sex is.
@@rotonuz You obviously have no working knowledge of pregnancy, female anatomy or abortion.
AGREE WITH YOU, KELI❤️
Why does religion have to be involved in every moral decision? And why is the alternative no morals at all?
The part about Valentina Miluzzo is highly incorrect. The doctors are very careful to NOT BRING UP the moral objection stuff in the trial, because the Italian law DOES NOT ALLOW objection if the woman's life is in danger.
Thank you for this documentary!
Abortion is a subconscious sacrifice to a demon called Baphomet.
Religious fanatics taking lives is never gonna stop, their ways might change with time but the fact will remain. Practice your religion all you want for what I care, but never, ever think you have the right to force your values and ideas onto someone else that DOES NOT WANT them. That is always stepping over a boundary no matter what.
Roughly we're driven into Christian and Muslim Sharia laws where women are not seen as humans but items that can be used for religious gods wishes AKA men's wishes.
Sad we're returning to dark ages
@@mugumyapaultheafricannomad9488 It really is sad, breaks my heart everytime I see or hear stories like this. I always thought humans were past all that but clearly we're not. Wasn't long ago I watched a video of a guy living with some Al Qaida family in Syria I think it was, and by anything anyone holds holy it made me sick watching how women and children was treated there. I don't want that to become the norm again.
Secularism and progressivism imposes its hedonistic values over religious and conservative people.
Pro abortion fanatics are complicit in murder!
I will say not about religion, instead stupidity of doctors. the woman was poisoned if her own baby's. infact doctors are lacking of knowledge.
Women in the countries with banned abortion should: a) emigrate to normal country or b) refuse to get pregnant until the law changes
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People are always complaining about the world being over populated. They ask why do people in poor and wartorn countries have children but when it comes to Europe and other rich countries then they re pro-life. They worry about birth rates decreasing and so on. I wonder if it's really lives that they care about or just the lives of children in western nations.
Nobody with a brain questions why they have many children especially conservatives we did it back in the day and still to this day you need people to take care of you when you get old you need people to look after your land and things when older kids have way higher risk of dying so you need to have more etc
I think your perception is skewed. As a prolifer, obviously any child’s life matters!
Pro birthers are the main reason you see poor families with tons of childrem.... missionnaries, anyone?
@@MarcelaElviraTimis you ain’t been poor in yo life that’s the biggest load of crap I grew up poor and people don’t have a bunch of brothers and sisters because abortion bans there ain’t even a ban on abortion yet anywhere
*Grabs popcorn and heads to comments*
If it's my body my choice then why can't I stop my life whenever I want to legally
Suicide is not illegal. Have you ever heard of someone ending up in court over trying to kill themselves?
@@justacatwhocantype lol
You can, it's called euthanasia.
@@justacatwhocantype you truly are a cat who can type
You can but you must go to Switzerland for example
Abortion is a human right!
Rape is a human right also!
Contraceptives and common sense should be a human right too.
@@martinvds1081 you are right. 99% of people who use contraceptives get pregnant. Or is it the other way around. We like to talk about the 1% ignoring the 99%
@@martinvds1081 I don't blame women or men like idiots do. I blame stupidity as a cause of all our problems. Stupidity doesn't discriminate. Thankfully men or women beyond stupid are still a minority. Also only idiots find satisfaction on trivial things as "likes" I have never liked anything on social media and never will. And the people who mumble are only idiots incapable of changing their nature. Using Emojis when you are trying to prove a point only show your mental level.
Actually, abortion is NOT a "human right"! There is NO right to abortion in any universal human rights document. However, the right to life is recognized as a universal human right. The right of children to medical care before and after birth is recognized, as is the right of pregnant women facing execution not to be killed until after the birth of their unborn child so the child does not share the fate of his/her other. Likewise, the right to freedom of conscience is a universally recognised right.
It's terrible what happened to that poor woman and it shouldn't have and I don't get why she couldn't had been transferred to another hospital and get the abortion elsewhere and why on earth that hospital had only doctors that are objectors? But if you look at the statistics on paper: Italy is in the average of western European countries on the topic of abortions, which by the way are lower than in US and in eastern Europe. Since 2015 it's been around approx 170-180 abortions to 1000 live borns ratio, and migrants abortion practice is 3 times more than among italian women.
These doctors need to be held accountable instead of playing god 😢 💯
Religion is an enemy of reason but doctors falling in the trap is stupid.
It was shocking 😳
Is the text in the thumbnail supposed to be a play on "safe, legal and rare"?
EXCELENT DOCUMENTARY.... PEACE FOR VALENTINA AND ALL OTHER WOMEN.... WE MUST DEFFEND THEM RIGHTS.... AND FREEDOM .... 🌷
¡Si tuviera poder, castigaría a esos fanáticos religiosos! ¡Toda persona tiene derecho a decidir cómo manejar su vida! ¡Soy cristiano, pero eso es demasiado para mí! ¡Ninguna iglesia tiene derecho a interferir en la vida de las personas!
Karl, dude how many languages do u speak.
Pero espera, si fueras a castigarlos, habrías interferido en sus vidas y, según tus propias creencias, deberías ser castigado por eso.
Keep religion out of the State. If you don't want to carry on an abortion you don't work in a public hospital which should follow the law.
Women's body, women's right. Where these poeple would be when these children need emotional support , financial issue aside. This is nonsence, men has no f.. right to give any openion in this issue.
Abortions need to be legal for whatever reasons.
No!
Only if the woman life is a stake
Abortion is not contraception
@@godwinemerald2289 Will you be feeding the child? Did you help create it, will you be paying for it?
@@ledwysdelgado7304 would you support a multi millionaire celebrity in a happy marriage aborting two baby twins just because she said she didn’t want it?
I have sympathy for women in difficult situations but women who are financially stable, married, have a husband or male figure, should under no circumstance ever abort their child. Makes literally no sense and is just evil.
It’s a slave owner saying he doesn’t need to own a slave but owns one because it’s his right and he treat it however horribly he wants because it’s not yours. It’s pure immorality.
@@jarred110 I support it. She doesn't want it , she doesn't want. Or do you prefer she throws the baby in the fire place or drown it, or feed it to the wolves?
And killing other people too.
DW documentary slaying it as always
thats kinda the problem
apt timing
preventing is better than healing
condoms and others non vaginal way should be taked for prevent unwanted pregnancy
Condoms can fail, just like every kind of birth control used on women. The only kind of birth control that's 100% effective is a vasectomy
Did you watch the video or just come here to post comments? Valentina wanted to get pregnant, she used IVF, the pregnancy was very much wanted but it still went very wrong
Wow dw i am addicted to you like seriously i am addicted to DW Documentry 💜💜💜💜💜💜
Religion and ignorant people are ruining our country. Rest in peace Valentina
My guess is that every rapist ever was pro-life or they would just stay at home and enjoy handcraft like normal people do.
This breaks my heart.
As a man... I'm not sure if I should have any say in an issue that I can Never know. I can understand the issues and the arguments put forth by both sides. But the bottom line is: I can never Know it. Understanding something and Knowing it are 2 different things. And as a man I should not have influence over an issue I do Not Know.
Just imagine you were once in a womb. Your mother had the right to end your life.
How would you feel if you got your significant other pregnant, and you truly did not want your Child to be terminated. Where are the voices of the Fathers. Just asking.
@@sallyrickerson9139 Exactly!
You may not want to have any influence over this issue and that is your right. Nevertheless, saying that I should have no say in the matter only because I'm a man is STUPID AND DISCRIMINATORY! If your comment made any sense, only animals could influence animal cruelty laws or lack thereof.
@@ontheroad151 As human are animals... do you want parrots to have a say in the matter? Like you: They can speak... but they do not know. Shall they have a say in things as you suggest?
I’m very pro-life and against abortions out of convenience. That being said, I don’t support conscientious objectors if the woman’s life and and health are a risk. Abortion is just in that case.
Good for you. I am pro choice. I respect your life and choices - do you respect mine enough not to tell me what to do with my life?
(Disclaimer - if not, then I will simply treat you as a threat to my basic human rights.)
@@kjkj4725 alright 🤷♀️I’ll never stop voicing my opposition to the ending of innocent human life because it’s not convenient.
@@anarodriguez6601 you can voice it - that’s freedom. You can try to convince people not to do this (which is rather irresponsible in most cases but still fine).
Attacks on other people rights and forcing them is not right. I just want everyone to know this (I am from poland mysel) and catholics in my country are absolutely disgusting and aggressive - they would happily kill everyone who doesn’t live like they want.
Isnt it that medical practitioners should know better? Like if a nurse or doctor saw 10 people dying and they have limited resources to help, they have the knowledge which among the ten that they can still save since they cant save them all. And so in this scenario if someone is in danger because of her baby, she has to be saved first. in conclusion the doctor made a tragic decision. If it were true that the woman was in danger because of her fetus inside her womb and not just wanting to get rid of her baby, then the doctor made a serious mistake because it is not their choice which one should live specially if its just a fetus versus the woman who carried the baby.
In this film is only countries where abortion is difficult to get. Why you have forgot other countries. In Finland woman can get abortion.
Because most people outside of Europe think the entirety of Europe is like Finland. I assume the point of this documentary is bring awareness to countries that are like this. For most of us this is shocking because we consider European countries to be liberal and progressive. While I expected this of Italy, I didn't of Germany and I've been to Germany many times.
In finland we can get abortion only if we have a real reason for it
When a man turns to be a woman by an operation NO one is asking for a low or rule for such matter so why women need to rule for their own decisions?
Moral values can not have precedence over human life. No religious or any other organization can effect the freedom of choice for females.
This is possibly America’s future…
Is the catholic church afraid Jesus will be aborted instead of being able to walk among us again? Forcing women to have children who they know will be seriously defective or has no possible chance to live after birth? That is cruelty
True
Don't worry if you don't get justice. The blood of your daughter is on their hands. Karma never sleeps.
@Zaetheus, i also didn't believe in it before.
@Zaetheus, we don't wait on it. sometimes it will show you its revenge. or sometimes it will give you more blessings that the one who hurt you will surely regret it. this is the 1st time I heard someone say you keep waiting on it.
@Zaetheus just cause you don’t believe in it doesn’t mean t isn’t true
An amazing documentary very well made, thanks once again DW. It would be good to provide more background comparison about the past practice of forced labours to with all of the 'catholic mass burial sites' of unwanted children left to die. Eg in Ireland, and the link to women's mental health suffering. I never visited Ireland.. and I have little respect for anyone who will refuse medical treatment to conscientious, mature, loving, practical women, who already know the gravity and guilt of the situation, they don't need anything other than love, emotionally support and some medical support.'' ... Leave women's bodies to them to decide over... Men have done enough damage to women over the centuries. Considering italy even only very recently decided that even rape us a crime.. they for me are the worse for women sights in euopre.. despite Poland and ireland having or have recently had a total abortion ban.. as they are only following the advice of the italians after all.. down with the patriarchy!!
Crush the Patriachy!
Yeah, I'm just waiting for the day when a man risk his health or life to have a baby.
@@finalflowerchildexactly, nothing but control by a bunch of males.
since when is Italy "in the heart of Europe" ???
Roman empire
Unconditional right to stop our own life whenever we want for all adults, my body my choice.
I cant women are being told what to do with their bodies
what about the babies in the womb bodies, why do some seek to kill them without their consent [not that it should be allowed even if they gave consent]. No one telling women what to do with their bodies [not like that's wrong as most government say people for example cant pee or do a number 2 on the street, etc]. No human being should have the right to kill a child, point blank and simple
@@chuckchuck80 a 6 week old fetus is a child to you?
@@kyllie1234 the word child can be used in a number of different ways. when i used the word child i meant 'a young human being, or a person before adulthood'. let me ask you this @bria carter do you think a 6 year old fetus is a human being?
@@chuckchuck80 wtf "6 year old fetus"??? In what world does that make sense to you?
@@chuckchuck80 of course. but in terms of an abortion, a 6 year old isn’t a fetus, it’s a child.
Excellent documentary. All decisions must be based on women's wishes and health situation.
There are horrible doctors but there are also horrible mothers who will kill the baby just because its inconvenient for them to have one at that time. Poor life wasted
What about the female babies?
@@merovech7 well, for those babies, it is better not to be born at all. Will YOU take care of them? Who's going to replace the loving family? Or is it ok to just create yet another potential criminal? I'm not saying that everyone who grows up in foster care will become criminal, but a good deal of them. Do you realize that the child's life will always be incomplete without a proper family? It'll bring him/her pain and suffering. Likewise, if he/she grows up in a family which did not want the baby, do you think it is going to be any better than foster care? Just because of personal beliefs about what is right and what is wrong, you would be ready to torture at least two human beings for an entire lifetime. How nice is that.
@@merovech7 Freedom to choose, you can't take away an option. If you're against it, fine. If you want to do it you can. That's freedom. Because you don't know the situation, you don't know anything about the person that wants to do this.
No. Decisions should be made based on understanding or common sense. We wish things, we might regret later.
You gotta love the use of ominous music in this clumsy propaganda piece. I especially enjoyed the intrepid stealth work of the guy who went "undercover". Such intrigue! A real James Bond type, that one.
If you wanna be a doctor or nurse they know what the job is gonna be. They have no right to say NO because they don´t like it. You chose to be a doctor or nurse now live with it!! You don´t get to decide what the hell you want to do or don´t. DISGUSTING!!Moral Grounds...then you shouldn´t be a doctor in the first place!!!
Here in the country where i live. You don´t get to decide what to do as a doctor! And many of those who doesn´t want to do that kind of job as a doctor theý do something else entirely, like being Gp or helping old people. There is so many things you can do as a doctor or a nurse.
This amply shows it is impossible to do justice to one person, without doing some injustice to someone else. Thanks DW for this mind boggling documentary.
not necessarily, especially in this case. One can do justice to one person without doing some injustice to someone else., its dependent on the situation.
Religious groups do not deserve to be allowed in civil society
Unless the mother was coerced, there is no injustice in abortion. If you choose to bring a child into the world, you owe them everything, but no zygote is owed life just by the accident of its conception. If it was, I’d have some terribly tragic news about the fate of trillions of “potential lives” (zygotes) across time. Yet for some reason people only cry when it involves a woman’s uterus and her choice.
Greed is a sin and we adopted it as a economic system 🦧
OMG!!!! 😭😭😭
Get ready American. They are attempting to do the same thing here. smh
From Wikipedia: "... the Soviet Union became the first modern state in legalizing abortions on request.... " Hmm!
Now they are no 1 child producing in europe...
Favorite channel
Brilliant Documentary - thank you.
Thank you for watching!
Why are the right, Catholics and anti-abortion people always called extremists in docu’s like this
For the same reasons as the sharia crowd. You thought you can behave like the taliban and escape the label just because you read a different book?
@@MarcelaElviraTimis ok abortionists murder children we don’t so who is behaving like taliban?