Armagh train collision 130 years later
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- Опубликовано: 11 июн 2019
- One of the darkest days of railroad history and the accident that exposed the dangers of 19th century train travel. Thanks to Douglasrosiefan 10 for helping with this video!
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I believe the guy who denied the request for a second engine is at complete fault for this.
I believe the guy who forced the driver to take the train is at fault I mean the driver said that the train was overweight for his engine
fred white right.
F for all that die
Oh hell, you know he is.
Another fault was the lax regulations at the time.
Oh my god...This is dark. If the stupid stationmaster had let a back engine onto the train, this wouldn't had happen. Bless all of those children on the train.
Exactly why is the crew going to jail for man slaughter they are innocent
Although the children could walk
Thunder z because they still took the train knowing the single locomotive wasn’t enough yes the station master was also at fault as well but there’s many other factors that caused the accident.
@@jackhewitt7902 in those days you either did your job or you were fired and the railway was one of the better paying jobs once your a driver so...
A back engine of what type. Even a tank engine. Anything that can pull its own weight.
You should do the November 30th, 2007 Chicago train collision where an Amtrak train rear ended a Norfolk Southern train
Unless there's a massive speed difference, if you rear rear ended a moving vehicle of all types, you can't get too hurt. The vehicle infront will take away some momentum.
Heres a funny meme of the crash
NS train: just a normal day
Amtrak: WHOOO
NS train: do i hear a amtrak train?
Amtrak: AHHHHHHHHH
Amtrak: *puts on emergency breaks*
NS train: well it is a amtrak train
Amtrak: *LOUD CRASH SOUND*
NS train: *hears train crash*
NS train: and the amtrak train just rear ended me great!
Amtrak: *CRYING LOUDLY IN PAIN*
3 2 1 go meme norfolk southern NS
@MARKIBEAN uh not Casey Jones that was 1869
I know this wreck no one died but the p42 was damaged so badly that it was scraped
A 'Treat'
Well that didn't work out
Nope, a bunch of kids died.
A treat of the devil's cookies
Hey, back then it was a miracle if the train didn’t crash or something with their train schedules.
Rumor has it Captain Smith ran it into a dirt bank
@@madkirk7431 engineering marvel for the time and era
Ever since I’ve seen why trains crash back in 2000, the Armagh disaster has always held a place in my mind. Being part Irish myself, The children of the village have held a place in my heart too; despite passing on 130 years ago. Thank you so much for sharing this dark piece of railroad history.
Geez this really is a dark accident!
OptimalOptimus50 exactly
at the time, it was the worst rail accident in Europe and remains the worst rail accident in Ireland.
no.... even worse THE UFA TRAIN ACCIDENT MURDERED 575 PEOPLE
but not even compared to... the queen of the sea
@@minigundozer14 what happened the "queen of the sea" I mean?
Yes it is there are more dark ones on his channel that I’ve seen
(Saw the screenshot)
Oh.
My.
Sweet.
God.
I'm very confused. What about bike racks?
Uhh what?
Jaxon Ancona
Uhhh what
Both of you
WHAY
WHAT*
Could you maybe Do a video on the forgotten but second deadliest train crash ever, The Saint-Michel-sur-Maurienne derailment?
Oh yeahhhhhhhhh
@@marthabennett4788 ARE YOU CRAZY DONT START A RUNAWAY
Ya i hope he documents that one
The people who disliked have no empathy for whoever died.
I agree, I have empathy for the dead. What where they thinking when they agreed to take the train, why didn't the just take the bus? WHO KNOWS?!?!?!?!
Austin Quinn Well, you can’t control that, can you?
and you are in the stream of the kings cross fire by this uploader and THEY SHOULD OF BEEN WORRIED
they just did not want to see it
JUST because someone disliked this video doesn't mean they don't care about the actual incident. Maybe they didn't like the video or thought it was poorly done. Whatever their reasons may be, it doesn't mean they directly hate the real life disaster.
Rest in peace all the lost souls. Such a tragedy...so many children.
I feel like the station master that said the driver couldn't get a other engine to help should have been locked up for 10 years (at most)
10 years at least
You mean at least.
My bad. Yeah at least
It's so heartbreaking to see a fatal crash like that in my life thunderbolt
As a Brit I find the stories closer to home very saddening. But this one genuinely made me tear up this is truly tragic.
damn
i though brits hate the irish?
@@amvaporean4522 no the British and the Irish seem to be on pretty good terms these days.
For me personally I have no hate for the Irish after all I'm 25% Irish and I have some Irish relatives
I'm from northern Ireland can't believe you pronounced armagh right, love your videos
Mrs Frizzle, I would like to request that this school charter journey shall be acted out as usually routine, as in similar to other field trips.
With the frizz? NO WAY!
Yay, Griffin Rails!
CRUISING DOWN ON MAIN STREET, YOU’RE RELAXED AND FEELING GOOD
Yeah
Keep up the great work man! Always love hearing new content
Glad you enjoy them.
They really are enjoyable mini docuseries or documentaries.
Wish a lot of other topics and many other life's works were optional of being a normal length documentary or having some to be able to get a hold of or see a short documentary version. If the short is interesting then you'd flip over to the longer version... Haha. It sounds simple... But I'm sure the reality is not.
Have a good day to you all. Nice that we enjoy these together. Thank you Thunderbolt 1000 Siren for this and other finely produced documentaries.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren I know when you can add to your series: the Michigan car & train chase 1 year ago: a mother and father were taking their daughter and son home from school all of the sudden a runaway train was approaching the railroad crossing that the families car was crossing the car skidded off the tracks just in time , later a drunk person was driving a Peterbilt boxcab truck and skidded out of the way and fell into a ditch
That got dark fast
At ludicrous speed
Ok
I know
Little fact after this crash breaks were changed so they was locked on unless you had vacuum.
that kind of technology had actually been invented prior to this accident, but it wasn't required at the time.
Zenfox Brakes, were
I think its also the reason most coaches today are Steel bodies although a ton of crashes caused that to be standard
A Very Average Train, the wood splinters and shatters during an accident because of these giant pieces of metal wham into them at like 90-100 MPH
Nearly 3 decades prior.
But regulations were not requirred until accidents like this forced legislators to impose regulations on businesses.
Remember that every time businesses complain about rules.
Most of them were written with blood.
However, the death toll was overtaken by the 1952 Harrow & Wealdstone disaster which claimed 112 lives
It has since become the 4th worst rail accident in all of Britain's railways. In 3rd, Lewisham. In 2nd, Harrow and Wealdstone. In 1st, Quintinshill. The accidents that had less deaths than this are the Tay Bridge disaster (5th place) and the Abergele rail disaster (6th place).
my great uncle used to work for the CPR one day back in the '70s his engine went past a wreck very slowly then his train had to stop as the wreck blocked the tracks and while he and his buddy waited he took some flannel and 6 boxes of whiskey my grandpa had free whiskey for years and to this day we still have that giant roll of flannel just sitting there never used.
1994
My great great grandmother was born in 1897 and died at the age of 100. My great grandmother was born in 1932 and is 90 years old.
That one person who disliked the video
When you're reading this it probably has more dislikes
nah fam
I wanna know who dislikes this
19 dislikes now.
20 dislikes
I disliked it because of the poor grammar of the narrative. 8:44 "...would never have took place". This should be "...would never have taken place."
Love to see some Pennsylvania Railroad and New York Central Wrecks
Today marks the 131st anniversary of this collision in Ireland and may all 80 people who lost their lives Rest In Peace.
Intro music is from call of duty world at war . In the first Russian mission
It always sucks when an incident occurs just because people are either stubborn to go out of their way to make something happen, like getting a second locomotive in this case, or are just careless, like having only one of the handbrakes engaged on a single car. I guess the saying is, you learn from mistakes, and that's very true as modern railroading is much safer, but it's sad to think that this incident had to happen for that to all be in place. Rather have seen these advancements due to a wreck that didn't have fatalities, or just smart people from the start always improving technology. Great video as always! I had never heard of this incident until now!
Matt Chaffe hi
I have a suggestion for the next short documentary, In like 2005 (I think) there was a level crossing accident in which involved a passenger train and a tractor pulling a trailer full of people. If you cant do that accident, then can you possibly do the 2004 Sri Lanka train wreck? I would like to see one of them. Good video too👍
131 years later, this is still a bad wreck
Thomas and Henry left Sodor to go and work as a driver and fireman...And...I think this inspired the time when James' trucks couplings snaped , rolled down the hill,but without the crash...
I love these documentaries. Keep up the good work on future wreck documentaries.
Thanks for doing these.
I’ve seen all of your documentaries, Thunderbolt, including the Ufa wreck. That one really touched me cause my dad was a soldier in Russia at the time. 😞 Very good vid work though!
On June 12th, 1889, 2 passenger trains collided Rear end at 10:45 a.m. before noon, 80 were killed in the rear end collision.
You're almost saying they both collided rear first
I'm such a fan of your work. I enjoy your documentaries more than those on television. Speaking to this one in particular it always astounds me how little big business valued human beings!
Looks like you also watched the "Why trains crash" documentary?
I love your productions, keep it up.
As a kiddo I got to go on a wooden tourist train. It was in New Hampshire, and it traveled through several areas. It was an open air sort of train, no glass windows on the passenger cars and it moved very, very slowly. I still have pictures (I was about 6 at the time). I also got to go to the train museum, and I still have postcards from it. Those wooden train cabins are very cool, but definitely can't hold up to collisions. That train ride through part of NH really made me love trains. It even had an old locomotive, similar to the one in this video.
Excellent work as always
May these children Rest In Peace
10:37 Emily
Emily was based off that locomotive!
Agreed
Well that is true.
@@florjanbrudar692 and that locomotive looked to me more suited for the job than the engine who pulled it.
@@richieosborn2639 Exactly
I left the video I was watching to watch this 32 minutes after upload. The engine looks like Thomas and the tender looks like a fright train,and the coach’s look like Annie and Clarabelle.
Edit the name of train driver even is Thomas.
The train at 1:47 looks like Donald and/or Douglas!!
Jump Man 2019 true
The engine at 10:44 definitely looks like Emily. They should have put that engine to take that passenger train instead of a small engine due to it not being strong enough to make the steep climb
@@darioguerrero2580 thats because it is what Emily is based off. However, these were not used in any part of Ireland, instead being used on the English GNR, not the GNR(I)
clanline35028 makes sense. Thank you
Been binge-watching all of your documentaries. Subscribed. Absolutely love your work, shame I didn't find you before now! The first one I watched was the Bayou wreck, since I'm from L.A I was looking into it. You did such a great job I went straight down the rabbit hole! Thanks for making these, bud.
I have been too
Sometimes we have to learn the hard way in order to see the error in our ways. Armagh is a good example
I would LOVE to hear someone talk about the New Market train wreck that happend not far from where I live .
New Market , Tennessee .
i think I solved it,it’s all the station master’s fault,he should’ve agreed to use 2 engines.
John Blessing that’s what I meant,but at that time I forgot the shed master.
Engineer could have said no and refused to move that train
It was a combination of errors from no signal system to alert of the stalled train, the inadequate power on the excursion, insufficient braking power and system, and bad management.
Does the stationmaster even have the authority to send another engine, though?
Love this series so much!
This is horrible. That engineer asked for a second engin or a larger one and was denied. The guy who denied that engineer different circumstances should have been held fully responsible.
Love the new video’s keep it up
Thunderbolt you should do a documentary on the Hoboken incident wen the anniversary comes up
MTA RailFan yes
He did... it’s called the Secausus Disaster
A couple of points. The locomotive of the second train was number 9, and was not scrapped as it was barely damaged in the accident. It was finally broken up in 1916. The reason why the excursion train failed could not be conclusively extablished. As part of the investigation, locomotive 86 was connected to the surviving coaches and identical substitute coaches for the destroyed ones were attached to the back of the train which was then loaded with weights. The train made the trip up the gradient without any problems, and the suggestion was made that someone in the brake van which was filled with children had played with the brakes causing the train to stall. Obviously the truth will never be known now.
Agree
Do we even know the given class of those two engines (The 2-4-0 on the excursion train & 0-6-0 on the local train)?
I wonder when the first recording of a train accident was
Correct. That was when we learned our 1st lesson on trains which was "INSTALL BRAKES" As Rocket had no brakes and could only stop if steam was shut.
Are ya gonna make a documentary about that, @@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren?
People say that rockets mishap was the first, but nope, IT WASN'T! The first rail accident happened in 1650, where 2 boy where run over by a coal truck. Before you ask, nope, nether of them lived to tell another tale.
@@germansteamlocomotive um I do believe they meant steam hauled accidents (not gravity train accidents
@@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren wait. The Stephenson's rocket doesn't have a brake?
the fact that this was 132 years ago (in 2021) is amazing
Edit: 4:24 IS THAT SIR TOPHAT FRUM THOMAS THE TANK'N DANK'N!?!?!?!?
locomotive 86 : COME BACK
train cars : ON ON FASTER FASTER
10:35 train : STOP STOP STOOOOOOOOOOOOP
ugh
Very well done and informative 🖒
Big fan love your vids
Great documentary!
Thanks
2:31 that piece of metal looks like a thumbs up
Today marks the 132nd anniversary of this tragic collision disaster and hopefully something like this will never happen again.
Nice documentary, I never knew that there was such a terrible accident that happened a long time ago but nevertheless I'm glad that I could help out
Awesome channel and videos, very well put together, have you ever heard of the East Thompson CT, train wreck of December 4th, 1891, only 4 train wreck in Americas history on the former New York New England Railroad? Ive been to the site, not even a memorial or mention of it.
This channel slowly makes me not want to ride on trains anymore.
Same here...
Oh my! This was a very dark day in 19th century railroading. GREAT DOCUMENTARY!!!!!
That’s what they get for overloading the train
@@connormclernon26 I don't think the children deserved it, though. Do you?
Autism Takes On no, the fault lies with the people in charge of loading the train.
@@connormclernon26 actually, multiple people were at fault. GNR as a whole was at fault. The stationmaster was also at fault. The train also should at the very least had a banker at the rear, maybe the engine from the 10:35. Disasters are all a chain of events. There never is just one cause or one person behind it.
Well done with the video
i love your videos
Can you do the 1991 union square subway crash in the near future
Wish he can make a train disaster documentary that occurred in Italy (there are some interesting ones and recent)
I do have plans. Not to mention I'm part Italian! *hand gestures intensify*
@@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren I got in idea! How about you make a documentary about the Derailment at Viareggio? A very catastrophic one, on 29th June of 2019 there will be the 10th year anniversary
Great video today
4:30 sounds like something out of a TTTE episode
Wdym?
That was so awesome I love it
R.I.P Isbole Bennett, 1924-2014.
It still haunts me to this day seeing the armagh train crash
10:37 didn't expect to find my favorite stirling locomotive on this video
Emily ran away from home after the Abbots Ripton rail incident were she found herself on the Island of Sodor and met 3 box tank engines named Clive, Neil, and Mathew and Emily became the Sodor & Mainland Railway’s #4, fast foreword 20 years later Emily’s sister Emmy found her and Emily said goodbye to her friends and returned to the GNR.
Emily wasn’t given extended hand rails so people would confuse her for her sister, until 2019
Thomas the tank engine:(after watching the video) well that was shocking I think its time I leave I seen enough(puffs away)
still waiting for the Harlingen (the netherlands) collision though i don’t think there is a lot of english info about it but if you need info i could help you with it as i’m dutch, but still it’s a good video man!🙂🙂👍👍
6:32 *whistle blows*
rest in peace to those people
L&BSCR Class A1X 'Terrier' '76' and Stroudley 4 Wheelers Coaches uwu. Best thing ever
I remember watching this reenactment long time ago on a show. I always remembered the scenes but couldn’t remember the name of disaster.
You mean Why Trains Crash?
Man. These dark dark times.
Ty so vm. So incredibly sad
*Sees the poster*
Me: Dear sweet Celestia this wreck must have been bad. *watches it* Dear Celestia that horrified me.
You're a MLP fan, aren't you? Or were you just saying that? (I like MLP too I was just wondering)
@@harrisonofcolorado8886 Yes. I'm still a huge fan of MLP:FiM to this day
Josh Brony/train/pilot nice to see some still holding on even as many left over the years. How you holding up post FiM?
Josh Brony Don't you know the difference between a poster and a *thumbnail?* Because in RUclips it's a thumbnail
@@neargaming2057 . Well buddy, I'm doing just fine still watching old episodes and waiting for the Shorts to come out.
There was also suspicion of tampering with the handbrake by (most likely) one of the passengers in the brake van, because during a test/reproduction of events (part of the investigation), the handbrake was sufficient in preventing the runaway, based on what I've read.
Some of the safety measures that would have prevented this tragedy had already been set up decades earlier (space interval using the telegraph and signals) or recommended following the Clayton Tunnel crash in 1861. Decision makers not mandating those safety measures contributed significantly to the events at Armagh.
The high body count at Armagh was what finally convinced them to spend the money to implement those changes.
Thunderbolt thank you for doing these videos even though you could be doing something else
No problem. I continue with these videos because I got not much else to do at the moment and I know people enjoy them
If any GNRI enthusiasts are reading this, can you please identify the classes of the locomotives on the two trains involved?
4:00 Thomas, seven Annies , and eight clarabels.
GNRI 2-4-0 86
15 coaches
GNRI 0-6-0 28
6 coaches
Engineer's name is Thomas?
Fireman's name is Henry?
Happened in the UK?
Coaches look like Annie and Clarabel?
Coincidence?
I think so.
HMMMMMM
@@sandrapiazza9429 I forgot I made this
NS and SEPTA at West Trenton! How did that sneak in there?
Great video!
That was Norristown Transportation Center actually. The station I live near.
Can you do the accident called the Quintinshill disaster? In Scotland, a troop train collided head-on with a local commuter train at a junction signal tower box and moments later a passenger express train plowed into the wreckage. About 227 people died, including many soldiers on the troop train. It was later discovered that the signalmen operating the tower had forgotten about the commuter train, even though it was parked in front of them, and allowed the trains into their section.
I like how you doing trainwrecks from all over the world I like that idea
You should do a documentary on a train crash in Florida that happened in 2016 in Citra Florida where 2 CSX trains had a head on collision
It's been done............ ruclips.net/video/nUaFW2rLRa0/видео.html
@TrucksNTracks Good point
May the lost always be remembered
Agreed
You talk about how trains are safe for today. I still have Crashes on those things every few years.
It's always those 19th century excursion trains you gotta watch out for. One of them derailed not far from where I live, killed 5 people.
I highly suggest the 2004 Sri Lanka tsunami disaster, anniversary Dec. 26. There were 1,700+ deaths, making it more tragic than Armagh or Ufa.
Heavy moment of silence was had on that day and on every crash anniversary since
Hey thunderbolt can you do the Hoxie Arkansa train derailment plz🙂🙂🙂
Very interesting.
4:00 look it's Anne and Clarabelle
It's most likely the same type of coach that they were based on
yep now we know how they got to the island of sodor they probably didn't tell Thomas about this wreck.
Ethan Obrien You realize this was in 1889, right?!
@@florjanbrudar692 there is something called a joke
@@buddee20 You think I never heard of this word before?
I’ve been on a steeper grade than Cajon’ 2.2% when riding on the Black Hills Central out of Hill City, SD where the grade is between 4%-6%.