Overwatch 2 Ex Devs Explain Why PvE FAILED...
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- Overwatch 2 devs have spoken to Kataku about the state of PvE and how, unfortunately the plan was cooked from the start... they also outline that both financially and in terms of player sentiment overwatch 2 pve tragically failed.
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"We've tried nothing, and we're all out of options."
Lmao, that sounds like something you'd hear in Futurama!
It's a Simpsons quote regarding Flanders parent CBS disciplining flanderes
@@allthatishereGood news everyone! To show how sorry we are about the cancellation of PvE, we've put a new $65 bundle in the shop including 2 recolors and 5 souvenirs!
@@14Jesman almost, flanders' mom says all out of ideas not options though
THATS LIKE TELLING GENE KRUPA NOT TO GO ‘BOOM BOOM BAM BAM BAP!’
Remember, one Cowboy Bebop skin for $25 or the ENTIRE show on Blu-Ray for the same price. Use your money wisely.
Facts
Bugs don’t get fix, but we will release $25 skin and $10 keychain which cost more then the real product. 😅😅😅
it's $19 in the hero gallery but yeah still overpriced
@@lilwintery6434 stop. Get some help.
@@lilwintery6434 I could buy nice rack of baby back ribs with 19$...
I find it staggering that the Rio Mission had more in it in 2019 than in 2023…
In 2019 I believe it was Jeff who said that, that mission then was a proof of concept, and what we got was a scaled down Proof Of Concept, lol its just so dumb now and its very hard to take the devs seriously at the moment.
It was the prospect of having to do more work. In essence the Rio mission was pretty much complete in 2019, but that will mean that they need to expand on these missions with further stories, missions, rewards on a scale just as big as this one, which they won't because it costs too much money (artists, voice actors, engineers, and of course, 200 managers). So they had to scale it down to save future spendings.
@@mossup-guarantee it would have stayed the way it was if Jeff was still in charge. Aaron ran this game into the ground and doesn't have a clue on what to do.
How could it have failed when they didn’t even try?
The problem with OW is that pve is just not fun in OW.
I always expected they made some pve, played it, and too late realized just how boring it was.
@@Phrikeares it was boring because 80 percent of the stuff they said would be in wasnt.
@@Phrikeares just because they made it boring doesn't mean it had to be boring.
There is inevitably some variation of this comment, people click like for the edginess, then people who offer charitable nuance get piled on with meme speech and low effort arguments, etc.
Just copy borderlands pve and its done bro @@Phrikeares
dont forget they milked the player base with their half baked leftover pve stuff in the summer earlier, while promising more down the line. There really is no reason to have any faith in anything they promise.
What's frustrating is how Blizzard didn't bother giving it the time to flourish, later puts 3 underdeveloped missions behind the $15 dollar price-tag and then goes "yep, looks like it's not getting enough attention"
(yeah no shit, because we used to get these missions of similiar or better quality in OW1 already for free)
@@Nayutune the fact that Archives seems to be gone in its entirety, I think it's safe to say that the story of Overwatch is dead and buried, for the time being.
Sure, we'll still get lore via maps, character interactions, and new heroes, but beyond that, highly unlikely to get narrative progression unless it's external media.
@@patrickcarter2829 it's a shame because the story has always had potential but never really seemed to get past a half-baked state. Feels like artists and fanfiction writers out there have done a better job developing it than the people responsible in the OW team. Pve was my hope for that to change, but I knew as soon as they announced they weren't going to do it as promised that the story would remain half-baked.
Why do y’all keep playing
@@McPoof Oh, I don't play the game anymore (not since 2019).
I just occasionally pop in to see the news, or it's in my feed.
Such a shame. The characters and lore really deserve a campaign that tells their stories through actual gameplay.
True. It would have worked if they’d focused on the story and the characters more in the start of the game when it was all fresh. Would have also kept things more focused and ironed out the franchise over all.
Im sure that an animated series would have changed this games trajectory and ow2 would have been better.
The game SHOULD HAVE had a campaign from the beginning as a single player installment and this PvP stuff should've been the grindy mode for all that uninteresting nonsense.
Overwatch was a shell of a game just like destiny, creating an interesting whisper of a ghost you'd never really see.
nice to see my favorite helldivers youtuber trying new things
I’m dead 😂
Yeah, that new game from this indie company is interesting
@@iAmNothingnesspoor small company servers can't handle 10 connections at a time, every game has at least one disconnect guaranteed
His Helldivers vids are awesome. Hell divers has been such a massively beautiful break from playing overwatch everyday and I’m glad helldivers is giving sty the same excitement too!
lmao
A second 400 person team for PvE missions is a WILD statement... ESPECIALLY since they were reusing assets.
if anything the response acknowledges that it perhaps would have caused more harm as they already had too many "cooks" on the team already.
How could PvE fail when it was never intended to release in the first place
I'm still surprised ppl ate this up when they 1st announced it was so promising that I had a gut feeling that it was probably too good to be true. And look where it is now.
it has been released tho
@@gamerbeast3616It hasnt. The demos from years ago were released
@@devlintaylor9520It's just paid archive missions xD
funny how blizz saw now monetary value in the PVE, and then helldivers 2 comes out. One of the most respectable CEOs in gaming, monitization that pretty much everyone can get behind, so popular the sever capacity is overcapacity until the fix it with around 800k playing, intense but fun and engaging gameloop. and this dev team was about 100 total btw. and blizz had over double that from the sounds of it.
Perfect example of the modern Blizzard: No risks allowed.
Blizz has been behind trends for a decade. Overwatch was the last AAA multiplayer big box game without built in live service, Overwatch 2 was released right before people started rebelling against predatory MTX stuff, and they'll probably now do an emergency rehaul of PvE to poorly copy Helldivers style gameplay along with trying a battle royale style version. They never fail to miss the boat.
Everyone boycott them. Stop rewarding them with our time and money. Trash should never succeed.
Shit, without HD2 they have other highly monetized PvE primarily games on the market that are shooters and still successful. They do not have to look any further than Warframe where the community is completely anemic to PvP.
The only difference being that Helldivers doesn’t have as much lore. If Overwatch took a lot of what made Helldivers great and combined it with the PVE and lore they already have, we could’ve had an amazing experience!!
There were ao many ways for them to make a reasonably scoped pve game, yet they chose the hardest and most unfeasible options at each turn. Now i'm just wondering if the lore will ever progress meaningfully again.
it could have been... until they fired the story department.
To me it sounded more like management wasn't ready to wait for Overwatch to flourish into what it actually wanted to be. Not that the scope or vision was too ambitious.
The answer is no
@@MothFablelol yeah michael chu was doing a bang up job wasn't he? don't pretend like they were doing anything to begin with
@@ExValeFor huh? Micheal Chu had already left once he realized the dogshit that they were asking him to write in 2020 lol. I think he might have been one of the first leads to ditch the Overwatch 2 shit storm when he saw the writing on the wall
Sty pretty much summed it up. "They tried to both together and ended up doing nothing (16:18)".
If OW1 wouldn't have pursued PVE, continued to just update their super popular PVP game, they would have had massive success. Instead, they added nothing for 3 years.
If the OW team would have gone full in on PVE, and actually allocated the correct resources (whether it be personnel, possibly outsourcing etc.) and delivered on their promise, giving us an amazing repayable PVE experience in the OW universe, they would have had massive success. "That 3 year drought sucked, but DAMN it was worth the wait!"
In reality, we killed PVP by ignoring the playerbase for years, then killed PVE by, well... delivering nothing and firing everyone who worked on it. Now both sides of the game are pissed. Their only chance of redemption is to revive the PVP side at this point. And making the monetization shit, making dumb changes to the rank system, not delivering on promised features (remember guilds?), taking out old content like the LFG system, 2CP (should have been reworked not removed completely), making drastic changes like 6v6 to 5v5, the recent health and projectile size buffs, new DPS passive etc. Just keep shooting themselves in the foot. Every time I open a video hoping to be reinvigorated to play the game I just get reminded of why I left.
"in the pursuit of great we failed to do good"
Arcane quote
To quote the word of that one guy from blizzcon "is this an out of season April fools joke?"
That man was not having it 😔
But they included PvE eventually!
Players vs Executives
Oh land
This just confirms they lied to sell Watchpoint Packs
They never advertised the pack with pve access. However their marketing was crap to never clear up about that.
@@pippo17173 not explicitly in the marketing no. However the withholding of what wasn't being delivered in '2' was directly tied to maintaining Watchpoint Packs and cosmetic sales.
As someone who bought one and the first bp, I felt like I was supporting pve (the entire package too ofc) and I would assume others felt the same.
These live service games need to make buying their wares feel deserved and earned. Blizzard however did the opposite. It was a rug pull.
@@pippo17173 It was intentionally ambiguous, which is the same thing. They were deceptive about it (which happens to be illegal in this country - Australia) just to get people playing and buying shit.
Classic failing of the managerial class. Workers are saying that they need help or more ideas, bosses just aren't listening. Then when it's bad, people are shocked, and they can the whole thing.
we can see how great the managers in todays society are with the amount of people who describe their jobs as management consultants, people who managers pay insane amounts of money to tell them how to do their job and then inevitably recommend the company waters down its product and sacks half its staff so that it can afford to pay for more management consultants.
@@necaacen go off! Absolutely spot on. I'm sure the people who were working on the thing were working to try to make it it's best, and now their work might not even see the light of day.
I can't imagine how frustrating it must've been for the managers to just simply avoid answering your questions about the game.
this same problem is killing destiny
This says a lot about our society.
We can all agree and admit with sadness that Overwatch 2 has been a total failure
Partial failure. Total failures look like Skull and Bones.
Don't worry, they'll continue to gaslight us and tell us otherwise rather than admit to themselves that it has.
Lol no this was so easy to see coming
Honestly with how they treated the OW base, the only thing that's sad is we didn't get what was promised. Zero sympathy for them repeatedly lighting their ship on fire for years, abandoning it, and then wondering why no one wants to take a step on to the lesser quality ship that they just built as a replacement.
Comments like these. Yeah, the OG fanbase can call this game a failure, but numbers don’t lie.
I want to see thier faces when AA Helldivers 2 can do everything they wanted but better!
I dont think they fear, I fear they know. And they think I know.
How could it have failed if they didn't fuckin try it in the first place. I would respect it more if if they owned their failure instead of constantly excusing it
no failure just a brutal scam starting in 2016. The game was always a scam. the cinematics where made to manipulate former league of legends players who where tired of the abusive community of LoL. so the cinematics and marketing, used friendly colors and words to pitch an alternative. It was released in a time when big names in the league community had tryed and failed many times to leave. And almost did when Blade and Socery droped. But BnS got really bad, and at this point there was no alternatives to league for pvp. Thus the overwatch trallier droping out of nowhere. With friendly colors and "diverse" characters. But as we know. The real problom with LoL was the disgusting people who play it. and those people where the target of overwatchs marketing, thus why they came over to Overwatch in the first place. And why that community became even WORSE.
@@MauseDaysOW1 ain't all good despite 6v6 being a little better to handle. Besides paladins basically throws all the overwatch problems in the trash and it's a better game despite its own problems.
Microsoft seemed like the bad guys for firing the story team. But from the article, the story team was just waffling around for 2.5 years having to keep redoing the same work. Seems now like MS was just trimming the fat. I know that's harsh, it was people's jobs but (because of leadership) they weren't being productive
yep, if everyone at blizzard was an essential member of staff working on quality projects they wouldnt have been sold in the first place. theyre a studio living off a marketable brand name that have failed to live up to it for over a decade.
Bobby Kotick is the villain here.
It's so obvious this team was doing sweet bugger all, to the point MS is for once justified nuking them
@@ExValeFor or you could instead blame the actual culprit? His name? Bobby Kotick:s very bad behaviour, indecisiveness and just plain management lunacy? Yeah that's a great idea. Never blame the Devs. Always blame the usual root of the problem. Executive Management.
@@strangeosyndro272 The root problem is often management and general higher ups, yes. But the devs aren't infallible either, they could be part of the problem too.
I’m done. Helldivers has shown me what a honest and fair Love Service is.
I’m done with their failed promises and aggressive MTC. I’m done with OW2 and will not look back.
I have no positive hopes about this change to their micro transactions they are talking about. It’s pointless to expect anything good from them.
bye glad another hater is gone
@@gamerbeast3616 Ah, I see you're a sheep.
yawn, i just dont care about OW2 anymore. old news. 7 years of broken promises big and small.
Overwatch 2 is a new game 😉😌
Still have to beat a decade of broken promess with Destiny
Dumb asfk if you thought pve was going to happen. No reason to have it in the first place.
@@rossemklyn401as a ex destiny player blows my mind seeing people complain about overwatch 2 proceed to play destiny 2 is just wild to me
@@french_toast223they still deserve the criticism because they pushed so much aside to focus on half of what they promised
Sty may be hoping for a Jason Schreier article about the PvE, but considering Jason has a whole book about Blizzard coming out in October the full story may be in there
MORE excuses? We're so tired, the game was already a lost cause when Jeff was forced to leave
Was Jeff forced to leave? I've never heard that before.
Dog, Jeff is not some Messiah. He caused many of the issues
@@allthatishere Its obvious he left when the higher ups told him to lie to the community and not deliver anything of what ow2 was supposed to be. When he left many of the OG ow devs left with him as well, but Aaron was ok with lying to the players with a smile on his face if it meant a pay raise
@Relevart9169 lol Kaplan could've easily made a Twitter account. And gotten the truth out if he felt that strongly about all of this. He may have left before the game went seriously down the drain. But he was one of the creators that gave overwatch some of its core problems.
•No way to cut through healing numbers
•Tanks couldn't be too strong because there were 2 of them, working together. Thus leading to OP support and dps metas.
• from the dawn of time the number 1 tool that overwatch players had to solve problems was counter swapping or swapping to an easier hero.
•"hero fantasy" overpowering hero balance. Leading to certain heroes having Identities that Don't really make sense within their own role. Or just don't make any sense balance wise. (Roadhog, widow, bap, kiriko, bastion, etc.)
•there's also the fact that this was supposed to be "a shooter with moba elements". Do they mean the payload? The heroes? The objectives in general? nah. This was always just a half baked pvp shooter. There was a never any hero bans, no map pick, no item shop. They worry all day about reinhardt, widow and roadhog "hero fantasy" but all that fantasy just burns up when people counter pick you lmao. And guess what? There is no such thing as counter picking a whole hero in other mobas. Hell not even in other competitive hero/champion games period because it's just not a skillful mechanic.
Like what kind of dog shit developer adds so-called "moba elements" but doesn't add any of the shit that makes mobas work ? Like paladins at least TRIES to add a totally new tool called "the comeback mechanic". They forced there moba fps to work. From day 1. Overwatch never did. With or without jeff.
All of these issues were present in overwatch since day 1. OW2 just exaggerated it because they're actually messing with the formula now.
TL;DR
OW1 WAS NEVER GOOD, IT WAS JUST ONE OF ITS KIND WITH GOOD GRAPHICS AT THE TIME. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE NOW IS PLAYERS HAVE BEEN SMELLING THE SHIT UNDERNEATH FOR 7 YEARS.
I wanted something way more concrete than speculation here.
I understand your point of view, tho. I imagine a lot of what you're saying is true, but I want to hear from the man himself, but the dude has literally disappeared into some void.
As someone who only started playing at the launch of OverWatch 2, OverWatch is starting to feel almost nefarious.
Now when I look at the characters that I loved so much even before playing the game, It all just feels like a front to a scam with no real future.
It feels like they've completely neglected and disrespected the world and heroes that we all fell in love with.
they did neglect it. thats why overwatch one went months and months and months with no content. and the overwatch 2 team was handed a game that was dying and was neglected. they are fixing their game and building it back up, it is very clear to see that they are trying to fix it.
it was a scam from 2016 yes. It was created in response to leagues player base getting completely done with the community of neckbeards and parasites. They where looking for something new. This is why overwatch was released in 2016 into this landscape. They knew people would pay to leave league of legends and it was working. Sadly the league parasites where 90% of the community. So when it dropped they came over. That was the plan from the very start. They sold it on WOKE. with flashy colors and a "Diverse" cast. They did this becouse they knew jangling colorful things infront of manbabys and neckbeards who threaten to do things to peoples family's over a moba are easily manipulated.
Not sure how you played at launch and legitimately think things are worse now. I've been the 1st person to shit on Blizzard, but the game is objectively improving since OW2 launch.
And then don't even get me started on how much better it is now than the end of OW1.
@@Xfacta12482 I have been playing since the alpha of OW1, the game is only just getting back features they removed from 1... How you going to sit there and say it is better? All they did was rebalnce the game and sell you skins
shill or ai chatgpt response. @@Xfacta12482
Classic Blizzard
“See, this is how it failed: We’re thieves and never had any intention of making it.”
Sorry OW2 PvE, I’m with Helldivers 2 now. I found someone who treats me right and I don’t want you calling this number anymore.
if they made their pve infinitely replayable with skilltree it would be awesome, the reason i never replay any of the current pve missions is because there's no reason to
Overwatch: No one wants to play Co-Op PvE, lets scrap it.
Gamers: Millions of players flock to Palworld and Helldivers 2 for good Co-Op PvE content.
Overwatch: **Surprised Pikachu Face** Will a Bebop Crossover make up for it?
Lmao cowboy bebop skin looks mid
When they said OVerwatch 2 was going to be free, I paid for the pre-order in my naive attempt to assist the development costs of the PvE which I wanted more than the multiplayer. When they said it was cancelled I uninstalled it. When they added the first mission I re-installed it out of interest and they wanted me to pay for it. Fuck them. They sold us all out.
It amazes me how Blizzard takes the wrong path at every turn.
Look at Deep Rock Galactic.
They dont hand craft missions just they only get 😮to be played once.
They focussed on making a fun gameplay loop and built on that.
Just a simple AI bot shooter with cool abilities and modified objectives.
PvE is an alternative to PvP; not a DLC.
I love watching Stylosa get his groove back with Helldivers, but it’s made it extra clear how down he is on Overwatch these days 😅😔
I still have friends that play overwatch… but I just can’t bring myself to play it with them again because it makes me feel like I am being used and manipulated.
I think the only way they’re going to be able to get players like me back is with a genuine apology and a change in monetisation. Until then I just can’t play if I want to have any self respect.
Honestly, it's not the same anymore. I mean we got lied to by devs and as well robbed from 60 bucks just to be a free game and only access to ow2 was certain phone companies including purchasing a 15 bucks battle pass for grinding a new character. It was pure corrupt yet people are so dense to continue to support this
I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THE DEFAULT WAS "ALL HEROES NEED 3 TREES", if overwatch 2 dropped a year earlier with only 10 characters or less having the skill tree system complete and released more over time for free with leveling or as premium currency for the money grubbing execs, I would have been completely fine with it as long as the missions and everything else was available (they coud even sell the PVE and have it be worth the money instead of this new PVE shit I wont buy)
I would love to see all the higher ups with clown make up on
The first public demo was PVE was 2019. That means they were likely working on PVE since 2018 but knowing how slow Blizzard development is, I suspect 2017 or early.
If they finally canned PVE in Dec 2022 that 4, possibly 5 years of development.
How can they have nothing of value from all that development time? How can a company this big, with such a previously great reputation failure to deliver on any kind of full time development for so long.
Years and years of mismanagement from all Overwatch senior people at Blizzard!
2016 actually, I was Blizz CSR and got in on the friends and family alpha testing. They had basic bots, AI behavior prototypes and other building blocks all the waaaaaaaay back then.
What could have happened if all Players in Social Media decided not to spend any dollar on OW2 unless they continue Hero Mode and PVE? WHY PEOPLE GIVE UP SO FAST AND EASILY?
I already did, yall need to catch up frfr. I lost a friend bc she still wants to play and I refuse to continue to support this game with my time or my money.
Not how games work now.
95% of players could be F2P.
the 5% of whales that spend more money than the rest of the 95% combined are who the companies cater to.
So you can have the majority that wants something, and it doesnt matter, thats not where the money is.
Mobile games are notorious for this and its seeping into mainstream gaming.
@@ninjaninja1720 hmmm maybe you're right, idrk, seems excessive for such a small percentage, but still people never even tried to do anything for the game we deserve.
@@sergionavarrocardenas1586 you would be surprised how small a percentage the whales are. It's almost always below %10 of players.
@@tyreehawkins5403 Awfully small thing to lose a friend over, but it could be even smaller.
Don't worry guys the money went to a good place a Porsche brand DVA mech.........
So, I'm guessing that the story is going to be finished by either books or not at all. Cause I was invested in the storyline and PVE I was looking forward to a campaign like game like the old PVE campaigns of Halo or those good COD campaigns. It's sad and angers me that Activision/Blizzard at the time would promise something and never deliver. Overwatch was my introduction to Fps in 2016 now, I have a love/hate relationship with the game. Still playing it. Cause I love the Characters. I hate the state of the game. I wish things are going to get better
wish Overwatch 2 would've been just Helldivers 2.
a full PvE game with no PvP where the story of the Overwatch universe is getting written RL by the way the community manages to fight Rammatra, Null Sector and Talon
100% agree while sad at the loss of pve if the missions we got were the route they were going then I rather not have it. Overwatch 2 hasn’t done anything that Overwatch 1 couldn’t have. I like 5v5 (seems like im the only one) and I dont care about the shop really but otherwise its the same game. Massive fumble by blizzard and yet I still play Overwatch more than any other game
TIRED OF FALSE EXPECTATIONS FROM BLIZZARD JOIN THE HELLDIVERS
I haven't played overwatch in months but still watch every vid you put out about it :D
I’ve really only been covering OW news through you. I uninstalled the game the day after they snuck in their announcement that PvE as we all wanted was cancelled and the watered down version was coming.
Have not had the urge to play. But even if they fixed all monetization issues tomorrow. I will never be returning. I’m tired of this whole treat the players as the lab rat experience they have done since launch.
Cancelled projects left right and center? Well now we know why they wanted to join Microsoft because that's right up their alley.
I just don't get how they could get it all so right in OW1 and so wrong in OW2. They had one job. Keep doing what was working.
Corporate greed. Just toxic multi-player for you fair gamer.
The managing of overwatch has got to be one of the biggest fumbles in gaming history
"Don't you worry about PvE, Let me worry about Blank"
Let's be real. OW is over. It's already beyond salvaging in the eyes of the average consumer. It was done the day OW1 closed down.
There is so much for story in this game and rather than burying it they could just focus that into a series. Just license the Overwatch property out to a third party studio for an animation and make money off someone else's efforts.
PVE didnt fail, it was not allowed to live
Ya know, it’s just sad. Like, we as players & a community can complain as much as we want. But we all know the potential that’s been stripped away and that’s truly what upset us.
Aaron Keller and Jared Nuess are clowns ... no surprises here. Game needs new leadership.
you are a clown
I never liked Aaron. Dudes an idiot
I love Stylosa's content. Overwatch: Sad. Helldivers 2: Happy. its verry balanced content.
I’ve never seen a lore-enriched franchise fall so hard on its face with providing zero story and progression.
Where are you Jeff, where are you?
I always did wanted a PVE story mode, and the 2019 version of what we now got would had been great, I would had been fine with first three missions that we got would be the prologue off the PVE story. It's so wild to now know that OW2 just exists without the main selling point of it. There really is no point in calling this game a squeal without it, and only having the bare minimum of it. 4 years of us waiting, all for nothing. Disgusting, inexcusable.
I was still surprised to hear your voice in the Helldivers 2 community. I haven’t watched much of your Overwatch content in ages.
I don’t get how stopped watching him. Are you not subscribed? People who are subscribed like me have seen his videos in the subscriptions feed.
"Don't worry about it. It will be fine. We have shop skins that we can recolor and resell, it will make us millions and they won't even notice, they will just buy them."
It's crazy to see how this company doesn't even care about trying to hide that its only priority is making money off the game. Since the release of ow2, the only thing they did is lying to the playerbase to earn more and more money. They show zero respect for us and the quality of the product; they don't deserve to manage such a potentially beautiful game.
Great coverage, appreciate the vid.
Honestly this is really exciting. They already have the greatest game of all time in their hands. The fact that they are being patient, not rushing something out thats half baked.. this is amazing. Its gonna take a while. I can't wait!
Honestly, ever since the announcement of PVE becoming its own thing in Overwatch, moving away from the annual Archives event, I never felt like it was the right step. It just didn't feel right to me. But I said to myself maybe they were gonna surprise me somehow, but I will never know. Maybe that's why I never felt "betrayed" or "disappointed" when they gutted that PVE mode, but I do agree that it is just outright criminal to promise people then renege, especially when those people put their full trust in their favorite developer and favorite game. It is just crazy. I do hope that tomorrow's developer's update makes people hopeful again that at least the PVP part will become slightly fun once more to invest more time and money in it.
This game is just depressing. Leadership seems hellbent on making sure we never get, nor want, any more Overwatch content. I would have loved to see what PvE and the story could have been, not kept on life support for years just to be thrown in the trash anyways. After all this, I certainly don't have any hope that anything will change at Bizzard.
At this point I don't even know if I want to play ow now. I wanted pve and I wanted the game to still have the proper support it needed back in 2016. But this, I just can't with how this is going rn. I love this game, but this just hurts to hear that they had planned to gut the game, the whole reason it's overwatch 2, all for nothing. I'll keep watch but I don't know if I'm gonna stay on overwatch. 😢
none cares
I can't wrap my head around how doing things people would throw money at was pushed aside and pissed on in favor for things people spend less on and are miserable about.
This is psychotic behavior.
Here to vent about sombra hacks quick play event. Its dumb. There’s a reason same hero picks were removed from the core game. Make it an arcade mode
Respectfully to the team they should of focused on the og team, be it rein, genji, tracer, Ana, and mercy and make the first skill tree system available to them. I feel like it wouldn’t have been 2 hard making a skill tree of 9 skills for each of them, focusing on 3 skills to abilities, passive, and ultimate.
I was shooting the automitons the other day in helldivers when I realised they could have easily been null sector. Helldivers 2 core mechanics is close to what OW2 could have been if they were just given more resources.
OW AI is garbage. They made these boring bots and only increased dfficulty through lazy health sponges. I realized same thing playing Helldivers.
they put a legendary pulse bomb on PVE
More like a dva bomb lol
Adding another team for PvE would not have changed anything. Overwatch was content-dry for 2-3 years before they announced overwatch 2. That means they had at least 2 years where nothing was done. Adding another 400 people that would do nothing would not magically make the game happen.
They purposely made it absolute shit so nobody would play it so they had an excuse to cancel it, the pve didn't fail, they failed us, and they failed the pve. The only guy who was tryinf to actually make a good pve was jeff kaplan and they basically kicked him out for trying to make a good game and not the trash ow 2 has turned into
Not only the destruction of the PVE element but also the abhorrent treatment of the story telling
Your coverage of Helldivers's Arrowhead and Blizzards Overwatch is night and day and I love it. It literally feels like heres this group of people kicking you in the dick and taking your wallet ... Now here this other group just trying to hear you out and have everyone get a piece of what they want while maintaining the vision of their product. 🎉
"The truth is, the PVE was canceled from the start" -Jeff Geoff Jeffington.
How many years did they get paid to do........... What?
Does not even shock me in the smallest possible amount that anyone working on Diablo and OW with years spent doing nearly nothing. Why would you keep people spending years doing nothing? Anyone white knighting "dev hard" these people got 6 figures on the low end. To take a tank and slap a 2 on the title. Old skins still looking like a 2016 throwback.
How everyone forgot that Activision was pushing hard for a standalone sequel that meant everyones skin unlocks would be lost, and the OW devs fought tooth and nail to keep the community intact and not alienate users that bought skins, and the "pve" mode was the "sequel" that placated the corpos
it's absolutely insane seeing blizzard take characters that traditionally would've all had massively successful individual single player titles and make it work in multiplayer and yet somehow can't seem to make a way to actually make a single player game for ANY of them
Didn't they come out and say almost immediately after the missions came out that they weren't going to put resources into more and wouldn't announce any planned follow-up?
OW PVE died when those missions released with no more substance our replayability than a holiday event. And the layoffs of the team was them kicking the body out the back of the van.
Love it or hate it, I just don't believe that the OW team can OR SHOULD focus on PVE, they just can't fully do it and outside of the seasonal events (Arguably) every attempt to force it in has been met with a resounding MEH. The best PVE content OW has ever put out was Revenge of the Bride, but this gauntlet is a glorified baseline workshop mode with about as much substance as the practice range...
Yeah honestly I agree, if the PVE isn't even half of what they promised, just forget it. No one wants to pay money to play Archive mission mirrors. Hell they'd be better off just making the cool animated shorts at this point. Those are always fire imo.
The most fun pve was the cosmic crisis, but only because you could become a traitor and kill your friends/teammates
How many times do they get another shot to fix the game that came out in 2016?
This game is in the dumpster. Today I was notified my account was silenced meaning I can’t communicate with my team anymore. I frequently will ask for some heals or suggest a hero switch for my team. Apparently that warrants a 2 week silencing or my account? I appealed the false action on my account but I doubt blizzard will overturn it. They will then say the game requires teamwork and communication as they continue to incorrectly ban the accounts trying to do that. Why not ban the accounts that cuss me out or call me racial slurs? Why ban “please heal me”?!
There was no warning. There was no evidence of the claims they made. Just a notification of being silenced. Terrible. Terrible. Terrible. Overwatch is losing me.
@@mitchellmccroskey4568 It should've lost you way, way sooner.
@@OrionDawn15 you’re not wrong haha😂😂
It's probably the same automated system they use in WoW. There, you can report someone and if enough people do that, the automated system will punish them. No real person doublechecks. So probably some people who can't stand even the faintest criticism reported you and the system automatically silenced you for it.
@@123Suffering456 that’s a heavily flawed system. Needs to be changed or a lot of dedicated people are gonna leave this game..again
Not at all surprising that the company that hasn't been able to make PvP good in WoW in almost 20 years failed at this. Truly astounding.
This looks like a class action in the making.
They knew they were tricking players out of their money.
And the issue with cutting PvE is that the idea of PvE helped sell the cosmetics they were selling.
The missions being sold AFTER people supported the development of the content through their PvP spending is just a recipe for failure.
Blizzard feels entitled to money. So many scummy practices in pricing and marketing.
I just realized that the way Sty rambles, he sounds a lot like Weatley
If they would have made it like left for dead then it would have worked, have a game director which based on how well your playing it will make it harder or easier or it changes the route for the maps. Also add some stuff like what hades has and add in buffs and give the players choices on which buffs they would like. Make the enemies AI better giving them strategies just like the soldiers in half life(they didn’t just shoot you they would take cover and move around them map to find the best spots for them to shoot you from(they could also smell you)). Using all of this the pve could be actually good. Or just do what tf2 did
I wasn't expecting Overwatch news been cover here.
Thank you sty for keeping us informed. Tbh, I haven't touched OW2 in a while, and until they want to put actual effort into the game beyond skins- I'm not playing. Thank you for keeping your eyes on OW2.
As far as PVE they should have dialed in on the replayable Hero Missions, which essentially was meant to be Archives Plus. Forgot the large scale cinematic big set piece missions. The Retribution Archive mission is still fantastic mission in my opinion. You throw in more of those and add some of the power variety like we saw in the Sanctum mission recently and you're golden. They already have so many maps in Overwatch to work with too. Retribution was just the Rialto map with a couple added areas and it worked.
It's kinda dumb when you consider that what happened with the unreleased MMO Titan, happened again with Overwatch. They overshot their target by so much they were forced to eventually shut it all down. That is 100% a leadership issue. They're building castles in the sky and every developer is just forced to follow them, and then they lose their job because of it, while the leadership just continues on to fk up the next project.
The reason why i got into overwatch was because i was interested in the lore and the characters and for them to completely abandon PVE and story missions make me want to abandon the game entirely
Funny part is that PVE failed because it required new content.
Meanwhile they think Overwatch 2 without new content was the success they needed.
Well, I've played enough Overwatch 1 to know I don't need more of the same.
And people don’t think Jared and his short term thinking isn’t a problem. Yes PVP is the main component. But without a story it’s soul-less. Fun for a few matches and eventually people will drift away. There’s a reason games like RE2 and Final Fantasy 7 get remade. The story is great and people remember the moments they played it. Even Halo 1 had that. Without a story mode OW is doomed to fail
as someone who eats any PvE content up raw and loves the hell out of it, my reaction to the cancellation was honestly just: "oh no! anyway..."
PVE was hard to do with the PVP toolkits? Battleborn did this in a cave! With parts!!
*WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!*
So... the directors/producers/leadership want "Blizzard quality",decided to delay work that's already finished, and yet the shipped content PVE (the omnic and cthulu ones), hero masteries and tower defense are boring as hell. Yeah I knew it was a management problem this whole time. AAA is not sustainable, imagine working on a small change and having to go through 10 layers of management for a green light.
Yeah Mauga got a buff on the last patch im NOT playing this game im gonna play helldivers 2
Wow. The bar got lower? Impossible it already went to down so far in the ground… hell seems closer… if u believe that