Overwatch 2 Losing Money But 100 Million Players? - Season 10 Roadmap!
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- Blizzard's big Overwatch 2 Season 10 monetization gamble, can they save the games long term future? Season 10 has major, and really great changes to monetization, but let's take a deeper look at the new systems.
0:00 Overwatch 2 is Struggling
2:13 Player Retention Problems
3:47 Overwatch Devs Destroyed the game, not Bobby?
6:10 Overwatch 2 Isn't Profitable?
8:43 Overwatch 2 Made $250 Million...
11:13 Locking Heroes Caused Players To Leave
13:45 Overwatch 2 is More "Generous"
18:58 100 Million Players?
19:47 Battle Pass vs Loot Boxes
22:02 Why Remove Heroes From Battle Pass?
24:40 Mythic Shop Pricing Model
27:50 Olive is the best
30:05 Mythic Skin Player Choice
30:55 Compensate Players Who Paid For Heroes?
31:45 Premium Currency In The Battle Pass
32:42 Revenue Worries
33:52 Map Reworks
35:39 Hero Reworks
36:59 New Systems - Pick and Ban?
38:48 Clash
40:45 Season 10 Roadmap - Venture
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They should probably lower the prices on the skins. Paying for a full game to just get a skin is INSANE
I'd probably spend more money on the game if I could grab a skin for like 5-10$, I'd just be prone to spend in smaller amounts..Would never put 20+ into one though??!
They did
I know especially with the games coming out of the smaller studios costing like 30 bucks. That's less than the bundles that Blizzard is trying to sell. Peak corporate greed.
n't*@@HazedEclipse1
Well two things you have to consider. "Base" game is free and you're supporting it's continued development.
You don't have to buy the skins but if you want to support the game then why not? Look at games like Call of Duty and Destiny before major micro transactions the base games were what $59.99 then a $14.99 DLC for call of duty x 4 so $120 yearly?
Then Destiny was also $59.99 base game + $40 - $80 expansions per year?
If you bought Call of duty over even just 5 years w/ all DLC you'd spend $600 lets say from 2009,2010,2011,2012,2013
But spending $20 here and there on skins over 5 years is too much? Not to mention those prior prices are nearly 15 years ago and money isn't quite worth as much as it was even back then.
I'm not saying the prices are "good" in fact i dislike spending that much for 1 skin, but I have bought skins and most battlepasses and probably spent a total of $130 so far over the whole of overwatch 2, but i'm also very set on the skins that i have now and don't see my self spending much more down the road or as often.
You can also stick with Battlepass which arguably gives like 3-8 whatever skins and a now a mythic skin of your choice for $10? + You get the 600 coins easier so it's really only costing you $4.00 per season which is $24/year to buy all 6 seasons each year if you actually play the game. As you'll earn 3600 coins for free and have to fork of enough for 2400 coins. You could have also bought the $50 bundle for 7500 coins so you could do 3 years of battlepass for $50.
struggling? wow and to think it only took abandoning the original game, disregarding the entire playerbase that stuck with the game through content draught, adding terrible monetization, awful battlepasses full of filler, breaking the MAIN promise of the sequel, completely abandoning the lore, locking new heroes behind paywall, betraying the two main draws of the game, terrible servers that somehow can't maintain 10 connections for the duration of a single goddamn game, and insultingly bad incentives...
you know it's really hard to screw up a smash hit this big this badly, but by god they did it very competently.
Firing the charismatic leader, cancelling the new game mode, lying to players about it, firing half the staff, hiring some new people back then firing 30% more people, charging for an expansion that was free while knowing pve would be cancelled, introducing FOMO to skin aquisition, eliminating the old balance team, eliminating the head of lore, downgrading the quality of new skins, introducing increasingly fewer customizations on "mythic skins", selling 75% recolors of old or existing skins, introducing 3 new immortalities to the game, not releasing hero cinematics for new heros anymore, removing the ability to unlock cosmetics from the old game we already paid for, adding a hero w/ voicelines are exclusively designed to be annoying, eliminating the entire role of off-tank, first artificially decreasing your rank, adding rank decay, removing rank decay, then artificially inflating your rank, only to completely reset your rank...
overwatch was never good. It was a scam from the start. The whole style of the game was used to manipulate angry league of legends veterans. It came out in 2016 at a time, when people where fed up with league of legends environment, lack of care from the devs and trash game. The cinematics where colorful and friendly LOOKING. TO make people think it was different than league. and it worked. Until you realized that overtrash was now full of brutal raceiist soy infused league players. It was always a scam
Right? How is it shocking when the company’s higher ups have pushed their bad reputation to the max
@@bobothebob4716Whos the hero with voicelines that are exclusively designed to be annoying?
I can only assume Kiriko, she is grating to listen to and play against. @@DDan42
Overwatch 2 having five different currencies is crazy
they trying to get as much as they can its crazy
that's just what happens when something is "free" to play
It is to confuse players to suck more money out of them.
You're not going to buy skins for heroes you don't have... most idiotic move ever in every way possible.
Clearly. You’re deaf, otherwise you wouldn’t ignore or kinda forget that they will make all the heroes in the previous seasons and the new ones coming this year IMMEDIATELY *free* for everyone as it is said in the video and all other videos of Stylosa going over all of this and more to death.
Clearly. You’re a new viewer, and you need to relax before you really do start some extremely unnecessary drama otherwise, you’d at least watched half the video at the very least to have answers to your questions before you even think of them Fred.
Your comment is just completely baseless, wrong and pointless, good try though, I’ll give you that. Fred.
Like it even matters when they release a character all the default skins are dog shit
You're also not going to buy skins for heroes that got nerfed to oblivion.
not only that but the whole idea of "heroes are the main draw of our game, so we're going to lock them behind paywalls" is so idiotic it can't be described as shooting yourself in the foot. it's closer to shooting yourself in the face, which is what they did, and wow I can't believe OW2 is "struggling".
@@hongomybongo9684 that's called good business. Skins = $$$$. Blizzard isn't a charity, they are in the business of making money and delivering returns to their shareholders. I know that's a completely wild concept for woke Zoomers to understand though
I guess one of the weird effects of free-to-play is, when you pay actual money for a game your kind of incentivized to actually play it enough to learn it.
Free to play is probably much easier to drop if it doesn't immediately tick for you... and a lot of gamers don't have as much patience to learn a new game or control scheme as they think they do...
its also why team mates are noticeably worse in ow2. like you said ow1 players were incentivized to learn the game and it for sure felt like it lol.
I agree but also want to add in that I don’t think lack of patience is main driver, i think it’s the over saturation of games available and our time to “get into a new game” shrinks by default. What makes F2P awesome is the ability to try a game before committing more money into it, the bad thing about it is that it is VERY easy to drop the game. Far easier to drop it than pick it up, especially if you truly did F2P.
One of the core issues with the old OW2 model is that the price point was set STUPIDLY high. If a F2P player does become invested in a certain character, most likely they will buy skins for them, as long as they are good, but even that is not 100% true. I was an original Ana Main when I started playing (before her kit got slightly gutted) and I almost have every single Ana Skin available to me. To me, she is one with 50% REALLY good skins (including a mythic), 20% Great skins, the rest are crap. But i love Ana and her story so much, that I am dedicated to getting every skin of hers.
So F2P does allow people to invest where they want to invest. What Overwatch ALMOST did was start to go into Pay to Win with locking heroes, but thankfully that’s done with. If they keep making changes, this game will recover…but…OW MUST continue to not only maintain the current game (again, this is a HIGHLY unique game) AND THEY MUST come up with ways to entice us to stay. This means cutting ANY predatory purchasing methods and make sure what they produce is not lazy…for example…STOP SELLING RECOLORED SKINS FOR THE SAME PRICE AS THE OG SKIN. I am not saying recoloring skins is a stupid idea, sometimes the recolor changes the essence of the Skin, therefore it actually transform the Hero into something different. Ex) Ana’s Snow Owl vs Night Owl. The Snow Owl is not the “common” Owl representation we typically see. Changing the colors on the Snow owl to night owl, gives her an actually different vibe that CAN be better to have on night maps?
Truly allow players to be able to spend their money how THEY want to, not how the game/Game developers want us to play.
1. Horrible matchmaker.
2. Way overpriced skins.
3. Heroes locked behind pay wall.
4. No sense of progression.
5. New 5v5 model is too fast and "death matchy" for me.
That's my top 5.
I really don't get why people have an issue with #3. It's only for 1 season and new heroes typically aren't even available in comp until they've been nerfed into oblivion. Like I just can't remember I time where not having access to a new hero was seriously an issue in comp. Plus Blizzard needs to make money somehow
@@jacobj3491 Not everybody has time to grind for two weeks to unlock the hero for free. Also not being able to play a new hero which is a major draw/advertisement for the game for many people just feels awful. You asking me to wait for a whole season to try it out or pay? No thanks. I'll move to game that respects me as a player. They screaming out there is no player retention and they do everything possible to push people away. Fuck around and find out I guess. Ah and I already paid for the game few years ago and they took it away from me.
It's 1 & 5 for me. OW doesn't function as deathmatch because what counts is winning a team fight and the objective. If they put team deathmatch into the comp rotation, it would satisfy their new audience (dps players who just want to shoot people and not think about anything else).
Skins I have no interest in anymore. I used to get excited in OW1 for every holiday/event to see what the new skins were, but now I have absolutely no clue when new ones come out, and if I can even get them because they might be for legacy credits, or premium currency, and if they're for premium currency, they may or may not be in the shop at that given time lol
1 & 4 are my 99 problems
2 5 and 3 piss me off the most
Shocking, the lesser quality product is less profitable than the original one that made the game successful to begin with
dva is so perfect
Overwatch 1 was less profitable.
@@simplyexplained875 can i get numbers for that
game is just being abused by a different dev/marketing team now. Overwatch was gold before the goats meta.
@@simplyexplained875 😂
OW1 made 1 BILLION in 9 Months
OW2 made 225 Mil in 12 Months, its not even close
The Interviewer even says "OW1 was instantly profitable, OW2 is a different story"
They had lightning in a bottle and whats left is a fart in a jar.
Blizzard = Fart in a Jar Marvin
They wouldn't be changing anything if they were comfortable
Or they don't won't to deal with bad press about being ptw when it's not a big money maker anyways
It's also very likely they're being pressured by their new boss, Microsoft
@@katalyst_ Thats probably why. Microsoft sees the stupidity in the way ow2 is run and is massively changing it. Like firing the useless pve team
Dude the fact that you’re still playing even after they’ve lied so many times is proof that they ain’t breaking a sweat.
@@devlintaylor9520PVE should always have been a different team. You cannot ask people to serve two masters…
to jasons point about missing out on newcomers, what pushed me over the edge into buying OW1 was the design of reaper, having someone throw away their shotguns when empty for new ones rather then reloading, at the time seemed so badass to me, i def wouldnt of stuck around if i couldnt play repear when i first loaded up the game
Lmao good one
For me it was genji his design looked badass back in the day
Hanzo using a bow and arrow in a game with crazy superheroes was always the coolest thing to me. and he shoots dragons.
I'm still a firm believer that non-gun skins in a fps is very weird to charge a lot for. 95% of the time you won't be seeing it. So why would I pay $20 for a skin that I may see for maybe a minute per match?
It's like buying clothes, not really for you to look at, but for others to see you in.
you know whats dumber? Jade weapons, like I would MUCH rather be able yo use any skin’s weapon design on other skins. Ofc the requirement being you must own them but you should be able to mix and match weapons with other skins if you want. Easy idea. There be alot of skins that are doodoo but i like the weapon design.
@@kielmessersmith1956Mr.Smith, the reason we were clothes is to protect our skin while having fun with it.
Your definitely wearing those for yourself.
Skins seem more important in social hangouts
@@kielmessersmith1956terrible analogy, clothing has the other function (the only actual *function*) of being comfortable and/or fitting the weather, how your clothes feel matters but you don't feel a skin in overwatch. You can't wear the wrong skin but you can certainly wear the wrong clothes
tbf, many higher tier ow skins also change the skin of the weapons tho
Overwatch 1 - Stick and carrots with carrots being free characters and relatively easy to get skins.
Overwatch 2 - Just a stick and another stick tied at the end. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I raise you:
Overwatch 2 - A stick with a string at the end and another and another and another and another and another and another and another and another...
By which they both lead their cash cows along and beat what is left of the game.
Ridiculously expensive shop skins. Recoloured shop exclusive skins. Battle pass filled with trash like souvenirs. No premium currency earned from battle pass. Occasional free event skins have been awful. Seasons that don't have a new character aren't very exciting to play. I wonder why people aren't spending money on this game. 🤔
Back in OW1 I was excited to play the event to grind loot boxes for the event skin drops. Now, I don't even touch the event games more than once. The rewards amount to just battle pass points, some sprays, and MAYBE 1 mediocre skin for a hero you dont play. Its just too much filler to create the illusion of value.
Add consistently worse balance and constant gaslighting and here we are
A documentary needs to be made about overwatch because publicly this is the most mismanaged game o have ever seen
Not even close lol That it still exists is proof it isn't nearly as mismanaged as other franchises. Dead Island, Guitar Hero, a bunch of Konami's properties like Silent Hill, Castlevania and even Metal Gear, Prince of Persia, Tribes, Duke Nukem, Sacred, F.E.A.R., Metroid, the Unreal series (Damn you Fortnite!) to name a few.
A lot of Overwatch problems aren't really "Overwatch problems" but problems that stem from ABK themselves. Basically, they have been mismanaging most of their titles for awhile now.
And thus begins the slow trudge of returning features to the game that were removed for OW2. Wake me up when we get our 2nd tank back.
Cook.
Love to see so many people advocating for 6v6, people finally realising 5v5 aint it.
Wake me up when they deliver the full PvE experience they promised that supposed to be what makes it a sequel...
No way man, I am not shooting through double shield again
@@zachsmith2131 You realize that 1 of the tanks required for double shield ... doesn't even have a shield anymore... right? Unless your afraid of rein sig, in which case you are bronze 5.
@@zachsmith2131you won't like two characters have a shield after Orisa rework. And sig shield is so low.
So when Jason schreier said overwatch 2 took twice as long to make… like how??? Overwatch 2 is nothing but reused assets from overwatch 1 and they even took stuff away so we had less.
They spent most of the time trying to re balance the game from 6v6 to 5v5. Which is why i was telling people that the time and resources should have went to PvE and kept 6v6.
@@born2run121 Even perfectly balanced 5v5 is infinetly worse than 6v6, it has less depth, teamplay and strategy, turned OW from a great game to a mindless Deathmatch.
Sad to see, hope they try 6v6 again in the near future.
@@born2run121I feel like they didn't even spend that time rebalancing because all these hero reworks we keep getting a year after the game launched which should have been present at the release of the game.
Fr, the game was copy pasted entirely but a much smaller team took half the time to create an entire franchise and like 30 characters?
@@born2run121so you're telling me that 5v5 was balanced??
Not 100 million *active* players, just 100 million registered. Considering that the game uses the same login system as ow1 and dropped for free means that 95% of those people tried that game for a bit and don’t play the game anymore
Yes cause you’re an expert aren’t you
@@GunieaPigwhat he said sounds pretty accurate and realistic
yes@@GunieaPig
@@GunieaPig and what is your expertise in this subject? What are your qualifications to criticize his thoughts? By all means professor, please enlighten us with your masterful knowledge
Get blizzards meat out your mouth@@GunieaPig
One of the biggest mistakes Overwatch 2 made was the new player experience. It does nothing but push new players away. How did the vast majority of players get into OW? They probably saw a gameplay clip, or a cinematic, and said "THAT character looks cool, I wanna play them"
Now imagine logging in for the first time, just to be told you have to play for multiple hours before you're even allowed to start playing them
150 Games
A new player has to complete 150 individual games in order to unlock the base roster
What a joke in a game about counter switching, a game about fulfilling a hero fantasy
I got into OW because Mercy and Rein looked fun to me. I wanted to help my team and be a savior. Now not only is the helpful tank role basically dead but mercy is phased out by more damage oriented supports that also have more utility. Making fan favorite characters useless was also bad decision.
Not just play games, but some characters have to be unlocked with multiple WINS. LMAO, for a new player it's just... almost impossible
"Guys we are making heroes free to play , a feature you already had in overwatch 1 hooray"
"Oh btw we are not making PVE at all "
Overwatch is a great game don't get me wrong but they managed to kill it by turning it into this disgusting live service , battle-pass fiasco like they have with all their other games , it's been a year since I've touched any of their games , and if they keep going in this direction I will never return .
It's so crazy they ever decided to lock heros when you can swap heros at anytime.
Saying they were locked is a bit of a stretch. More like "soft locked". You either needed to get to like lvl 45 in the bp to get the hero for free or if u missed that season than you do a few simple challenges in the PRACTICE RANGE to unlock them for FREE. My cousin doesn't even have very many hrs in the game and it took him MINUTES to unlock mauga this season cuz he didn't play much last season.
well that is straight up a fucking lie. it takes the simple "challenges" AND 50 Games to unlock mauga. how did you do the 50 game requirement in minutes?@@greenlight960
@@greenlight960 They were "soft-locked" behind a battle-pass or lvl 55 or something and later lvl 45, I have spend enough hours playing this game to have participated in almost every meta, we don't need our heroes locked behind idiotic marketing practices, what we care about is the competitive advantage of playing X character against another to counter them like it has always been in Overwatch, the moment a hero hits comp it should be playable by everyone due the nature of the game being counter-picking.
19:40 "The team is putting a lot of time and energy into making that part of the game as good as it can possibly be" meanwhile the game is suffering because of 5v5 and role passives and you know that Aaron was lying on this part because he said that the devs are putting time and energy on the game.
just to give you more proof of the state of OW2: I played the hell out of OW1 (like most of us) so OW2 was a no-brainer. I played OW1 on Xbox and since then I've switched to PC so I downloaded OW2 on PC, ported by Xbox data over to PC, which broke everything. As of the game's release in 2022, I still cannot log into OW2 and its been roughly 17-18 months. I opened a support ticket for this issue, got an acknowledgement that there's an issue with Xbox-to-PC porting and they're working on a fix. Then about 12 months later, they closed the ticket saying they're still working on it but don't have an ETA on a solution.
at that point, I had already given up waiting. I just cant believe they let this issue go on for this long and is still an issue as far as I know.
Remember when Blizzard cared about players and making great games?
Yeah...I can't either. It's been so long I've developed old age dementia.
time and time again we see that ow2s best game play decisions are them just reverting it back to ow1, why 6v6 isnt the main format is still beyond me 5v5 accomplished nothing beneficial and ow2 delivered on 0 promises
Old lootboxes is so much better than the new store and battlepass and it's not even close
No shit. No one had to spend any money to get all the skins. It is why we weren't getting any content in the first place. They were too generous to sustain content.
@@blaynegreiner9365 You are literally lying about this under the video that said OW1 made more money than OW2.
@@blaynegreiner9365 OW was fine until 2019 miss 6v6 and 2 Capture points
@@NayutuneIt made more money in it's initial year from game sales. This guy is referring to the content drought at the end of its life cycle and I highly doubt it was raking in anywhere near 250mil.
@@ddill1816 It's a lie either way. The actual reason we weren't getting content during the drought is *because* they were developing Overwatch 2.
(Which by the way was fine with many players if it meant getting something good by the end of it - which never happened.)
6v6 needs to just come back at this point... Tank mains are just meant to suffer in 5v5 and personally I just am done with it. The whole game needs rebalanced and the changes they are making now are just bafflingly stupid to the point of physically stressing me out when I try to get into a comp match... I'm ready to just be done with fps games in general at this point.
Yeah. Ngl, I was a DPS main in OW1, became a Tank main in early OW2.. and then stuck with Tank because I felt like I needed to, like if I didn't.. then who would play it? Nobody *wants* to play Tank anymore.
If they do that, I hope they take their time and don't rush, so as not to overlook the fact that the double shield could be coming back.
@@friisquy9631why is everyone so terrified of double shield, Orisa doesn’t have a shield anymore, rams shield doesn’t stay up as long as sigmas does nor does he have the flexibility with it, Zaryas bubbles are extremely scarce when she’s pressured correctly, or if you really want a solution? Maugas burst damage will make sure double shield doesn’t come back.
@@Zee-xb9zm not only that they also made shields a lot weaker going into OW2. So even with double shield they break like glass now
@@northernstar39 Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I feel the same way as a Tank main wanting to play support or on the rare case DPS and seeing my tank failing to be self aware of their health bar.
Well, as a 5k+ hours OW1 player who was GM every role
I have like 200 hours in OW2, not because of PvE cancellation, not because of bad monetization but simply because 5v5 is not fun.
6v6 (when actively balanced and not abandoned for 3 years) is just a more fun experince and also better to balance, because not as many counterswaps exist when a team has 2 tanks.
"But 2x Shield!!!" Yes 2x Shield sucked, but it wasnt a 6v6 issue, it was a balance issue which could be avoided by reworking Orisa (which they did) or lowering AoE Heals to reduce sustain or reducing shields.
I just want them to try 6v6 again and give it the care it deserves, then i will play actively again and even spent money on the game that used to be my favourite before OW2
skill issue
@@callmekensei2799yeah okay Jackass.
yeah 5v5 is just not ow anymore lol
I doubt there's enough tank players to make 6v6 work ever.
@@callmekensei2799 Not having fun = Skill Issue
Good argument, still GM every role even in OW2 though🥱
If the OW 2 Team was twice as big as the first game... what are they doing?
Good question, as we got less heroes, maps and events than we could get in one year of OW1 (not counting the 3 years of nothing where they were supposedly working on a PVE mode that never existed in the first place 🥲)
i remember the days where i would log in, and grind out lootboxes so i could get every skin for the event, the joy i had collecting lootboxes, with the sheer dopamine of opening weeks worth of boxes and seeing it rain down my rewards for all my struggles. NOTHING will equate.
Blizz pretends every registered account is a Player, that's why they day to say 100 million.
In fact less than 25% of registered accounts is an active player that hasn't uninstalled the game after trying it or isn't a bot
Every game company does the same thing, it's not a Blizzard thing. Is there any source for the 25% number?
@@dpgwalter well if you think about it most semi dedicated players have an alt or two…or five
source: trust me bro
@@meat. Most creators have 2-4 alts. Most hardcore players have 1-3 alts and most casuals have 1 or no alts. Thing is casuals make up most of the playerbase so there's no way to say it's only 25% that's real players when it's actually a minority that usually have alts. However, I'll say that there will be a lot of inactive accounts from people that just tried the game at some point. For example a lot of people including big creators tried ow2 on release and didn't play again after which will make up some of the number as well.
That's how every game company is reporting their player numbers so it's nothing special number wise.
I stopped coming back to the game when the heroes were being locked behind unlock requirements I don't want to grind to unlock heroes and I knew when they tried this it would damage the game.. I used to massively be into Overwatch, what a shame.
It's wild that people still think Bobby Kotick was the only real villain. In actual fact Blizzard with their stubbornness got us into this situation now. We had a lack of content for many years in OW1, and then in OW2 the devs still to this day are trying to fix issues that should have been addressed years ago. Blizz still think they have a "superstar" status in the gaming industry, but that cannot continue at all.
22:29 It seems like they knew it would impact comp integrity and valued the profit more. It should be noted that, arguably, the primary reason devs repeated rhetoric about swapping not being necessary was to gaslight us into accepting that pay/timewalled heroes fit well into balance. Also I loath Push mode.
there were a few reason I stopped playing back in season 2 and push was definitely right up there on my list, but I'm also one of those very few players who seemed really enjoy 2CP .
So it will be more convoluted to get Mythic skins AND still no way to earn by simply playing, its all BUY OR DONT.
Buy battlepass, unlock enough currency, trade for skin; cant get recent skin from last 3 battlepasses instead you wait 3 more seasons before you can buy them
what abt OLD battlepasses you didnt complete but fully paid for?
"start over, spend more, play more, fomo"
I haven't played since the Overwatch 2's release. Overwatch was something special. What a shame.
Preface: I've never paid for the heroes, I've always earned them by playing because I play too much, so none of what follows applies to me
I'm all for free heroes (like it used to be), but they're still selling access to the new heroes in the Shop... I understand not refunding people for buying the battle pass for the new heroes, because the battle pass contains more than just the hero, but like... They should at least add X amount of Overwatch Coins into player accounts that spent cash for Coins in order to buy the heroes in the Shop. That way Blizzard doesn't spend even more money, and that way players won't feel like they're being scammed. But the reality is that players are being scammed because the heroes are still being sold for another 2.5 weeks before they'll just be free to everyone... FeelsWeirdMan
Im an OW player, but basically quit playing because helldivers exists. Was returning for Bebop collab as a megafan, skins suck, want to win it free so i dont have to pay for it or something. Weird in-between "I want it" and "these skins suck" feeling
these skins are not worth it brother. i was in the same boat as you. mega bebop fan, but these skins are just ass. the moment i saw the first trailer, my wallet drop so hard on my desk, it broke. but these ingame models are done by absolute amateurs. i will not buy them. i wont even unlock the free one, cause the game is just not fun to play
You returned for cosmetics?
@@rosssivertson6339what else does the game have going for it tbh? Pvp gets boring after a while
Man that Cass skin looks super creepy.
I just find it odd to pay for skins for a game that you no longer have fun playing.
Truly wish they would make old bps available, I missed loads of them and would be one of the, I'm assuming, many people who would also be interested in picking some up. Clearly, they don't think this is worthwhile for whatever reason but to me it seems like a missed opportunity for bp skins to be locked away after their respective season is over.
Also, to answer your question, I don't really get too excited about a new map unless it's specifically a type of aesthetic I'd enjoy or if it's a way of giving us more overwatch lore!
leaving newest mythics out of the shop for 2 seasons is to maintain a bit of that exclusivity for a bit as a way for people to say "Hey i was there i played through that season and got the skin."
You wouldnt think this means as much to people as it does but as a Destiny PvP player, people like us love having exclusive top tier rewards that many people dont have at least for a little bit
People seem to forget that skins are mostly for other people to appreciate, you can’t even see your own character while playing besides your hands/weapon.
I mean I would not be surprised if it was not making money. You can have 1 million players. That does not mean 1 million players are spending money in the game.
They tried their anti-consumer friendly methods to see if that experiment would work. Now they are rolling it back making them look like they are saints.
When the secret to make people spend money in games…is to just be consumer friendly and people will come.
Its amazing how corps think they need to be anti-consumer in hopes it’ll make them $$$. When if you just have fair monetization people will pay.
I won't be satisfied until you can earn 1,000 credits in the battle pass and until the skins are 1,200 credits at maximum, preferably 1,000
You do earn over 1000 of the non premium OW 'credits' in the battle pass. Up to 1500 with paying for it. Did you mean to say the premium OW 'coins'?
They kind of broke OW by making too much currencies... Credits, coins, owl coins, event tickets, competitive points 1, competitive coins 2.
Great point. They need to allow us to purchase any season. Selecting and swapping between the ones we own to level them up. Sell all the cosmetics separately, keep pumping out content, and giving us more opportunities to earn premium currency. People will stick around and play. Characters, skins, maps, modes.
You know shit’s going down when Sty tells you to grab a drink
they could've made the game buy to play, reintroduced lootboxes and averted all this.. oh what i'd give to see jeff's reaction to ow2's current state..
Jeff is responsible for a lot of the problems historically.
jeff is half the reason the game is in the state it is today lol, besides buy to play would have killed the game instantly. They dont have pull like cod does
The buy to play model ran out of funding. That's why the content ran dry after they made the loot boxes so generous that no one had to buy them to get all the skins anymore. The only way loot boxes would have made them any money if implemented as they were in Overwatch 1 would be to take out what made them generous. Then, players are left with gambling for skins they don't want, which is way worse than an overpriced shop. Couple that with getting the game banned in various European countries and it is a recipe for disaster.
Loved the vid. Great insight and analysis. By the way, I'm one of those weirdos that like the maps. I look forward to the maps. It's like a puzzle with the discovery of new strategies. And the art! Bravo to the artists, I'm always blown away. It doesn't feel like Blizzard held up to their promise of a map every other season opposite the heroes though. It's almost like they wanted to release unfinished maps, so they came up with Hero Mastery and Gauntlet. I like heroes over maps, but maps are a very close second!
The game that has lied to its players, scammed them out of their money (watchpoint pack) and then backtracked on seemingly endless promises that "cannot meet what we deserve" sure Blizzard but we deserve something at least. Overwatch died in 2019, we are simply pushing a corpse up a hill at this point.
Hey, I like this channel. I just started watching you and I think it's super cool that you are fair with criticizing the mistakes of Overwatch 2, but you still clearly have so much fun with the franchise and I'm here for it.
It would be great if they eventually implement the mythic prisms for any other past battle pass cosmetics like Poseidon Ramattra for example.
I want Overwatch Classic. The launch game of Overwatch from 2016, pre Ana.
Yes dear people replying to this comment.. That also would include old broken abilities, and it still wouldn't matter because some of us would love to see OW1 come back even if it's in the most busted form.
(If all of the OW2 players are okay with playing OW2 in the busted metas, I don't see why it should be a point of contention for us)
@@Nayutune Actually, you raise a good point. I want OW1 Classic, but without the Mercy AoE Team Revive.
@@Spika94 That's fair, there is a few more abilities that shouldn't be as oppressive. But honestly I welcome any version of Overwatch 1 back.
They keep saying that the "free battlepass track gets you 600 coins" but they haven't mentioned the Paid battlepass
I feel like player retention is a really hard thing to incentivize. It's all about having additional content that is regularly updated. Balance changes don't really count. Also having a clear-cut introduction that lets you experiment but holds your hand along the way is great to introduce people to the game. Love the hero mastery courses but they really need to be easier to find for new players.
Styl I love these long videos. I got a load of laundry done and my dishes done just from listening to this video.
I also agree with your point on buying past battle passes. I don't care much for some of the mythic skins, but I would pay $10 or $15 to Support this game that I love, and to get past emotes and things that I missed. I really like name cards and I wanted a few of them but missed out.
They also don't give an F about their casual players (obviously), they never really did. That's why the cancellation of PvE sucks even more to me. I never cared for competitive, since I'm self-aware enough that I suck at the game and anything competitive. It gives me stress due to my stress disorder. So I always played just all the casual game modes (QP, arcade, bots, custom games etc) since I know losing won't bother my teammates as much. But in OW2 was hoping they cared to include PvE… but what do we expect at this point? Only broken promises and greed from Activision-blizzard.
at this point can't we just have Overwatch 1 back please? 5v5 sucks, OW2's UI sucks, No Portrait Borders, OW1 Matches were always rewarding with Coins (if you queued the recommended role), OW2 Matches give... bonus Battle Pass EXP? Yeah? no, sorry fuck that. The Battle Pass is just bad due to it not being rewarding enough, time limited and Battle Pass Ranks above 200 do not carry over to the next battle pass, in OW1 every Account Level Up was rewarded with a Lootbox for free! Oh and can I mention that YOU CANNOT EVEN CHECK YOUR CURRENT BATTLE PASS RANK ABOVE 80!? The Battle Pass being FOMO is bad (go figure) and the Matches, I have in OW2 make me hate Aaron Keller as a Game Director. I also had bad matches in OW1 but no OW1 Matches was so Bad that I wanted to see Jeff replaced.. since even if I lost in OW1, I either earned 25 Coins or a Lootbox or maybe had an Account Level Up.. Oh and another thing: Every Game Mode had Auto-Queue!!! now it's only quick play.. I wanted to say "What a Joke!", but Jokes are funny, OW2 is sad and pathetic
the biggest problem with OW2 currntly is that theyre trying to fix mistakes that basically removed that initial excitement for the game. Theyre trying to fix monetization a little but it's too late because all of the OW excitement is gone
As a ex-ow1 and ow2 player turned helldiver...........FK Blizzard!!!!
The gameplay loop just isn’t that great anymore, 5v5 made everything boring
I wish I could hide others pfp’s
6v6 sucked
@@gamerbeast3616 The Game of the Year format sucked?
I played overwatch for 10 hours last year. I didn’t know what was happening or what characters did. I was being yelled at in a casual match. I said I didn’t how to play I’m trying to learn. He said I sucked and it’s my fault we lost and I never played again
Great choice
They have so many core changes to the game that new players can’t keep up. They don’t even have a decent game Tutorial. 5v5 is simply too punishing and steam rolling for anyone to actually enjoy. You cannot casually play OW2,
5v5 overall just is less casual
People say "You have more Impact" OK? SO DO MY TEAMMATES SO A BAD ONE RESULTS IN A LOSS FASTER. Its way harder to carry
+Counterswaps are in every fucking elo, every player is affected by them, in 6v6 you could literally play anything up until diamond or even masters if you were good, but now OWL Winstons have to switch because of a bastion
5v5 ruined this game, its less teambased, less strategic and has less depth.
Overall just horrible for the game.
When a competitive shooter is competitive 😲😡
5v5 is absurdly stupid. If your tank sucks or just don't want to win or leave, well it's over. You just can't recover from this because it's the only one tank you have in your team. In OW1 the second tank could still make a difference, it was hard but it was possible. Now it's just the team with the good tank that wins.
And on top of that, this puts so much pressure on tanks shoulders that playing this role all alone just feel awful and miserable...
@@jayden707 There is a separate competitive mode for that genius
@@born2run121 you mean the same competitive game mode the game is fundamentally built and balanced around?
I don’t buy skins from the shop because every skin that I’ve bought has gotten a mythic skin. So whatever I bought became a worthless purchase
Overwatch was doomed after we lost Jeff Kaplan 😢😢
Did you miss the part where he left a massive game with huge potential to die to waste years on a PvE that never amounted to anything? lol
why do people keep spreading this misinfo lmao, he was the reason the OWL teams pressured OW2 to come out because he wasnt saying a word
@@jame8618idk where you got that from but it's incorrect. The real reason already came out on an official statement from a developer
@@adamjames8419 perfection was his downfall, he was only foing what was best for us. He wanted Pve to be perfect and higher ups wanted money money money. What was the point of OW2 then? You do have to admit he cared about Overwatch.
@@jame8618 you have no idea what you’re talking about
Honestly this season has been meh. All games lopsided and you basically expect to lose every match, the better widow, genji, and dps is always on the other team. So sad how far this game has fallen.
100 Million players?...then why do i see the same people in every game?.
Noone engages with the store because the cost of cosmetics are outrageous, they want a third of the cost of the original game for 1 skin. Gtfo of here .
Im pretty sure its not only the new players jumping on and off... I myself played for years but only in chunks, but OW2 just couldnt even hold me at all, because of the monetization mostly and some design choices. I may actually play again, with the battle pass changes and the hero changes.
Why does every single positive piece of news have a venomous barb attached to it. "Oh look you can now choose which Mythic you unlock with our new system, look at how consumer friendly we are.... *whispers* now we have more Fomo shit in the store to scam you with"
I'm so fucking close to being done with Overwatch 2 and this abysmally shitty dev team man.
I stopped buying battle passes because I never played enough to earn the mythic, so basically I was buying the privilege to grind the game? I'd rather save my money and play for free without the skin. I'm not going to pay $10 for the opportunity to potentially "earn" a skin; I already have a job. So now I play for free, as much or as little as my enjoyment of the game warrants. I miss out on some cool mythics, but I wasn't getting those anyway because I was basically never playing enough to earn them. It was a bad monetization scheme, and the battle pass didn't represent sufficient value to be worth it. You had to both buy AND grind for there to be any value at all.
Bobby definitly thought overwatch was a stylized call of duty, i bet he rarely tried to endulge himself in the gameplay mechanics
It would be cool for them to just have battle passes available without time limits. However, I do think that'll pass skins and when you got them and if you have them, they are a nice indication and snapshot of your time with the game. It's like a time capsule of what battle passes and what times you were playing the game and I kind of enjoy that aspect honestly.
That said, I wouldn't mind if they reintroduced old passes. They could even do it in the middle of a current season or have a return of an old season at the start of a new one as some kind of secondary battle pass. I'm not saying I need all of the battle pass skins cuz I really don't, but it could be interesting.
Actually to add to my original comments... They could have the battle passes cycle back in, however, could still have the free challenges that unlock certain skin so you could still have certain skins attached to certain free events so you still have this kind of snapshot of events you were there for and sort of have a scrapbook of memories through the skins from certain special events. That might be a cool idea. So the battle pass skins wouldn't have to feel exclusive. You could still be there for cool exclusive free skins and have a nice little scrapbook of those
Soe was removed from Overwatch, but at least she has a better job now. There was a video where she recently talked about the upcoming game Dune. She now has a job that pays her for what she is truly capable of, and her higher-ups give her respect. There's always a light at the end of the tunnel.
i like seeing news maps or map reworks because the games go by so fast and i’ve played for so long i get bored of the same maps, game modes a close third but ultimately heroes are what we’re here for!
Putting enough coins in a battle pass to purchase the next one requires a large enough player base to cover that potential cost. More importantly, a higher percentage of the player base willing to spend money in the shop outside of the battlepass.
Heh... Helldivers 2 came out swinging with incredibly generous monetization and suddenly everyone was "already working on changes to their monetization and generosity" apparently.
I love helldivers but why are you saying that? They have PREMIUM battlepasses with gameplay advantages, realased buggy and glitchy, STILL is incredibly buggy and glitchy, game breaking bugs, hackers, Joel, and so more.
Helldivers is your average messed up live service, but no one cares because it's funny.
Stop playing favorites and let's attack the bigger picture
@@Setogayamari The are available permanently and you can get them through credits earned through the non-premium and found Super Credits. The way their Warbonds are implemented is way better than most game's battle passes.
@@Setogayamari They have premium battlepasses yes, they cost 1000 SC to unlock and they return 300sc with the SC unlocks in them. You can't buy skips and you can reasonably farm the cash currency in every single difficulty in the game by just playing the game.
In fact I have been playing very casually recently I've unlocked both battlepasses already haven't spent a single dime other than the box price. There's also no FOMO, you can log out take a long ass break and come back and those battlepasses you didn't unlock will still be there waiting for you to unlock them if you don't want to spend the money.
Every game has bugs and helldivers 2 is a month old and they didn't have to start failing drastically to have a reasonable monetization strategy. They just did it from the get go. I'm not playing favorites here, I genuinely think OW2 had potential and it was squandered and they had 2 years to do something about it as everyone complained and voiced their opinions and they chose to do nothing and just keep milking the whales so. They get zero sympathy from me.
There are no advantages in the premium battlepasses arguably you could say the Stun Grenade maybe but realistically I have played the game 200+ hours now and I sometimes just go back to the base armor and the base Liberator because I love them and they feel good to play. It's also not a competitive PvP game.
The game isn't perfect by any means, the crashes are VERY obnoxious atm but it is absolutely a more fair and reasonably monetized live service than OW2 will ever be. Just compare the prices you pay for stuff. There isn't even oddly priced currency packs, you pay 10 bucks, you get the battlepass.
@@Setogayamari Helldivers is very far from the "average messed up live service" don't get me wrong it is messed up still but Helldivers is far ahead of the competion in many aspects. Battlepass is one of them, no FOMO and you can get it for free. You can buy full armor sets in the premium store for 3-6 dollars and you can get those for free too. No one cares about the problems of the game because it is fun, rewarding, gorgeous, devs care about the players, the CEO cares about the game and the players AND it is funny on top. I have 100 hours in game and not once seen a hacker and even if you run into one just leave, you loose nothing.
Ive gotten both the premium battle passes and multiple store armours and have premium currency to spare, and I haven't spent anything on it beyond the initial 40 euro purchase price. It's very generous and you can easily get what you want by just playing the game. It really isn't comparable to most live service slop.
blizzard has never cared about their fans, they care 20x more about attracting new players that just bounce between games and it seems like people who have been playing since day 1 constantly get punished especially in ranked rn
Question for you Stylosa if i complete the battle pass. Would it allow me to choose which mythic skin i want or would it be next season?
Say whaaa? Losing money? No way! You're telling me that what used to be free content, and then became ridiculously overpriced paywalled FOMO was the effect of a loss of profits?
Pfft - nah......oh wait.
Of course Overwatch would be losing money, who'd want to spend money on games they don't have faith in and the content is overpriced
It’s not ur just poor
@@alexpaz5303It's not what? If you don't have an answer, it's because you're just poor of intellect and just talk without point or meaning.
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$20 dollars for a skin is not worth it, i have several times look at the shop thinking of buying a skin, but didn't when i realized:
A. i wasn't going to see 90 % of the skin since I'll be in 1st person
B. I won't be playing the character often because of counterpicking
C. there's no doubt other stuff i can buy for the same price that will flat out provide more value to me
For example instead of buying Cyber detective skin for sojurn. I bought Cod BO3 Zombies Chronicles edition on discount for the same price. And that has given me faaaar more Enjoyment then any Overwatch skin. and i have no doubt everyone will be able to find something of equal price that gives more Enjoyment
What blows me away is that Overwatch 2 has been out for over a year and we still don't have e features that were shown off in the trailer for the game years ago.
For an example we still can't inspect our weapons and I'm pretty sure those animations were shown in the very first OW2 trailer.
12:37 you had to grind to tier 45 to unlock Mauga in season 8 i think but still people aren't all gonna do that
No 6v6 playlist, no interest in playing the game. These devs are actively ignoring a huge portion of the existing and former player base. They don’t deserve a single fan after everything uncovered related to Overwatch 2.
They have never since OW2 release talked about 6v6
I dont get why, its the better format, its how the game felt the best and is meant to be played, are they scared people would like it more than 5v5, why? That should be a good thing if it happens, just means you get more players.
Not our fault they left it on a shit meta with no content for 3 years and decided "Nobody plays Tank" YEAH OF COURSE CC AND SHIELDS WERE OVERTUNED, but nobody asked for 5v5.
They have to go back.
In a way I agree with Bob. We need some sort of content but it doesn’t have to be a scale tipper. I love logging in and seeing the Home Screen interface different with a new character or theme and not have to wait until a new season. New game modes. Etc. sometimes Overwatch has these stint where nothing changes at all.
I'd like it if they gave enough coin in the battle pass to buy the next one yeah. Although a "good" thing is that if you complete the battle pass for this season, you technically only need to spend 5 dollars to get the new one.
The Heroes being "locked" are what made me quit OW2. The amount of time (aided by winning games) to be able to earn enough for a hero would have basically been a second job, needing to pour 30-40 hours a week to afford them. This was my biggest concern with the Battle Pass implementation. Even if you did bare minimum you would earn about half what you'd need for a hero, and then it would switch out for another hero, so you could miss out on the one you wanted to unlock.
It would be really awesome if this "Mythic Shop" not only let you get older skins but added some extra upgrades to the skins with less customisation. Like retroactively adding head and torso alternatives for the Hanzo and Orisa skins. That would be fantastic and help repair some sentiment about the varying levels of customisation.
They should make the skins (that are not exclusive to events) unlock-able via gameplay and challenges, and everything else can be sold and put in the battle pass. However the pricing of the skins are atrocious too, it’s just not worth my irl money for a game that doesn’t feel like it’s on my side as a consumer AND a gamer.
Bad maps are usually the reason I quit a session of OW. So I am most excited about the map reworks they are top priority changes for me. Also map voting please.
I jumped ship when OW1 was at the end if its life and never looked back
So wait. They say each BP will have enough prisms to fully upgrade that season's skin, right? But the Hanzo skin had fewer customizations than most other mythics. So will the future BPs be priced based off of how many customizations are in the skin?
If you can outright purchase prisms, then the Hanzo skin is noticeably cheaper.
im just glad i wont have to play support anymore just to complete my challenges, it was always annoying. Same thing with getting 45 points from completing QP games, qp matchmater is terrible and it was just not fun.
not many want to spend $20 for a skin, lower the skin prices and more people will buy them, and add lots of coin in the battlepass after doing prestige tiers.
Weapon inspect would be nice
This is what happens when you create an echo chamber in your dev office and pretend like you never do anything wrong, the game is super-duper awesome, and anyone not happy with the game must be wrong. They've driven of a huge chunk of Overwatch fans that would have paid 60-70 dollars and continued money beyond for a great sequel. Instead, if you cater to the Free 2 Play Fortnite crowd that never cared about OW to begin with, you lower your quality and make the game for people who will be gone as soon as they find another free game to play. No investment, no retention.
All they do is chant the mantra "we listen to your feedback, we listen to your feedback," while obviously not listening to feedback. Most negative reviewed game ever on Steam and they just waved it off like those reviews didn't matter. The cognitive dissonance at Overwatch will be it's downfall.. maybe not soon, but there won't be an Overwatch 3.
i feel like the devs said to higher ups "dont make heros cost money" and when that marketing strategy didnt work they got to say "told ya", and this might be their last chance to hit profits. This could be really good or really bad
I would almost *almost* be willing to pay to get OW1 back. This game is just worse in everyway except for a few heroes that are good and that one map i like.
5v5 and role que killed my good faith with blizzard. Ill never by an activision/blizzard game again
I'll be back when they sell OW Classic.
I'd pay $100 to for Overwatch Classic. I wouldn't play OW2 unless I was being paid to do so.
All they had to do was decrease the frequency of lootboxes. I never once felt the need to buy loot boxes, but who knows, maybe if they were slightly less frequent I may have
19:48 part for the loot boxes. Yeah I would always say that the only reason I liked them was the fact I could earn currency to spend on anything in the game that I liked so long as the event was around. I talk with my friends who always says that they prefer the loot boxes instead of what we have currently, I agreed with them at the time but now I disagree only in the fact that as nice as it is to get things for free I don't mind spending money on cosmetics. With the change for heroes being free now that makes the game leagues better since you no longer have to buy the pass to unlock the heroes or complete absurd challenges that take way too long to unlock them if you missed out, though I think it wouldn't be as bad if you can just knock out all of the challenges to unlock heroes if you are missing multiple of them all at once. As it is now I am missing Illari, Lifeweaver, and Mauga. I have played the game for around a week and a half left and haven't gotten one of them, why do I have to manually select what hero I want to unlock for my wins and games to track for the unlock challenge? Why can't I just play the game and unlock them without having to do that? I have been playing tank this whole time only to realize I made no progress for Mauga because I had Illari selected for the majority of the time I've been playing recently. Makes it a bit frustrating to be honest and I'm sure any new or returning players would have the same problem I have with the game currently ( Correct me if I'm wrong, I know they said heroes will be free. But I'm also pretty sure they said that if you don't get log in to get them when they release in whatever season the come out in, you will have to do the challenges to unlock them like how we have to do currently in game ). Apologies for getting sidetracked with that rant but anywho, I don't mind spending money for cosmetics all they need to do is decrease the prices on skins and bundles. Not a huge decrease but around $10 for a legendary skin and $15-$20 for legendary bundles, and $5 for epics and $10 for epic bundles. I think that would be a good price point for this sort of thing since legendaries are the pinnacle ( next to mythic skins but those are in the battle passes ), epics are usually pretty good but lets be honest there are a few skins in both of those tiers that I personally would downgrade to the previous tier ( ex: legendary - epic, epic - rare. ) given that they are mostly recolors, or very minor tweaks to justify the rarity. Also can we get a decrease for how much items for heroes cost for the non paid currency? in OW1 legendaries were 1,000 coins unless they were from events in which case they were 1,500. Epics were 250 event epics were 750. Rare 75 and event rare 225. Common 25 event common 75. Also old event items would decrease to base prices after they've been out for a while ex: event legendary for 1,500 would decrease to 1,000. Now I'm pretty sure we all know they won't add anymore new items to the free currency pool any time soon ( though I think anything from previous battle passes should probably be added. things like emotes, victory poses, highlight intros, etc. ) so why don't they decrease they prices like they used to? I don't see why that would bother anyone, plus if they did add stuff to the free currency pool they can have them be a little bit more expensive until they've been there for around a year or so then decrease to base price. New and returning players would probably be happier since they can get a few more thing for free and players that have been around for a long time would have a reason to spend free currency since chances are they stopped playing for a season or two, or never finished playing through passes they previously owned or didn't buy. Caveat of this is in-case they intend to let players get old passes to get stuff from there like how Halo has it and even recently Helldivers ( though with the introduction of earnable Mythic's in the shop I doubt they'll do that, though if they did they can sell old passes for cheaper since the "main event" of the pass being the Mythic is no longer in them ). Anyways my huge rant in the comments is now over, I've played this game since the beta and still play it so all of this is from the perspective of someone who wishes the best for the game even after all it's been through and everything it has done right or wrong. I hope it can get back onto the right track. Thank you for the videos Sty and thank you to whoever goes through the trouble or reading this mess.
36:26 we should be able to pick map type in quick play: payload, 2 point map, etc
Great coverage as always Sty. I'm excited for these changes, but the goodwill ran out when they announced the end of pve last year and I don't plan to ever spend on this game again. I just don't trust it any more. I'll give clash a go and whatever, but this game is a shell of what it once was and there's nothing they can do to fully repair that damage
Gonna see a huge jump in quality of skins now that you don't have to get the battle pass for the heroes or the mythic skin. Doubt we'll see much of a drop in price to match it either.
Imagine a world where Overwatch 2 never happened and everyone was still happily playing the OG. I wish I was on that timeline.