I got the 2.7 in my non sasquatch for towing. Tows our trailers great. My wife has a 2.3 non sasquatch as well both have rear lockers so 4.27 rear gears. Both are adequate. The 2.7 definitely feels lighter and sportier like you said. It accelerates better for sure but the 2.3 is no slouch. The 2.7 has been used in a few different fords as well, including the f150. I think the valve issue was narrowed down to a specific date of engines. I don't think that's an ongoing problem.
Thanks for the knowledge drop on the 2.7l I want that motor but I didn’t want to run into issues with reliability like that and I’m doing Sasquatch package
I have a Base 4Dr automatic 2.3L non-Sasquatch. I really like this 2.3L engine. Despite being turbocharged acceleration is smooth and linear, but when you mash the pedal there is plenty of power when you need it. Overall it is quite refined and doesn't drone on the freeway or when pulling a grade. I also like the simplicity of an inline 4 over V6, half as many heads, camshafts, turbos, catalytic converters, and there is tons of space under the hood.
The 2.3 is direct injected only. This will carbon up the valves more. The extra intake injectors in the 2.7 clean the valves. I think Ford has fixed the gasket and valve issues at this point that none of that is a big deal. There is a question about the longevity of the turbos in the Fords, but from my experience that seems to be a luck of the draw thing where some do just fine, and some fail early. In any case, use a high quality engine oil and flush the coolant regularly. Both of those are vital to the health of the turbos. I just wish you could get the manual behind the 2.7.
I could care less about the valves I’m more concerned about the fact that the oil pump on a 2.7 is driven off the crank with a tiny little lawn mower belt and the 2.3 oil pump is driven off a direct gear ⚙️
Can't ignore altitude. You're driving at about 4,500 feet above sea level in the video, you're engine is always at a disadvantage and on a really hot day might make 25% less power than a standard cool day near Salt Lake City.
You also dont have the the sasquach gearing which makes a pretty big difference. So with a fully Sasquach spec'd vehicle the 2.3L would be totally fine with the 4.70 final gear ratio Your big bend has either 3.73 or 4.27 (if you spec'd a rear locker) gearing
I have a 2.7 but while I was waiting on mine the dealership let me “test drive” (basically rent) a 2.3 for a week and both engines feel pretty capable, both had the Sasquatch but the 2.3 felt just a bit slower and with a bigger lag, the 2.7 does make it feel lighter but I don’t thing it makes it feel “sporty”
Look online one 2.3 one 2.7 both bronco outter banks bronco 2.3 is 900 pounds lighter and 2.3 easier to work on put regular in 2.3 it's 270hp run 91 octane it's 300hp the 2 3 beats the 2.7 in drag race
I have a 2.3 and put 35’s. Yes it does slow it down a bit, but I think the 2.3 motor pairs better with the manual transmission in my opinion. I love my 2.3 and ford now has the factory procal tuner that will add 30 hp and 60 torque so it’ll be a lot better in moving bigger tires!
Is 1st gear severely de-rated in the manual as well? I test drove a 2.3L auto since no dealers in my area have any manuals, and I was disappointed by how much the engine is gimped in 1st gear. 2nd is another story, I was quite surprised by how hard it pulls. There doesn't seem to be too much lag either.
I want to clear up any misunderstandings about the 2.7. They had a very little amount of bad valves from a supplier it was their fault this happened. The 2.7 I have in my F-150 and it’s built from scratch to be a turbocharged engine and I personally think it’s the most reliable ecoboost engine in the lineup. It’s a very durable engine and the block is made out of compacted graphite iron which the 6.7 power stroke diesel engine uses. It was designed to handle all the pressures of a turbocharged engine. As long as you change the oil every 5k it will remain solid. I ordered a 23 heritage with the 2.7 I’m very excited. Also no hate on the 2.3 that engine is also a reliable one.
@@timschultes6467 oh I see now! The bottom half of the engine is aluminum and the upper half is iron! I could have sworn when I looked under the chassis and up at the engine I saw mostly aluminum….lol
@@timschultes6467 been an heavy line auto tech for over 30 years…..I’ve seen what happens to engines with poor maintenance! I change full synthetic oils once a year or 5000 miles ….conventional oils get changed every 3000 miles or every 4 months.
I have a four door 2.3 sas manual. I live at a fairly high altitude. Power is fine but definitely notice the lag at times. Mostly doing expedition type off road driving.
Haha! In my day, 300hp was a healthy small block V8 with twice the cubes. I ordered the 2.3 because I wanted a manual tranny. Squatch package also comes with 4.70 gears.
Good review. I also have the 2.3 engine in my four door Black Diamond and find it adequate for everyday driving. I don’t have the sas pkg, but did upgrade to 33 inch tires. If I were doing a lot of rock crawling, I might want the extra torque the 2.7 provides. I am only averaging between 17 and 18 mpg however, so I don’t know if the 2.7 would get better mpg. Thanks.
If you go 2.3 do fords procal tune/intercooler swap/charge pipes/change the intake and filter with 1+colder spark plugs and it’s money! I have Sasquatch so I’m 4.7 gears 35” tires
Great review. I have no problem getting a 2.3 because I am prob going to get the non Sasquatch package. Maybe I’ll put that money into a hard top vs soft top. Thank you!!!
You can't compare the Factory Sasquatch performance to yours because you most likely did not add the taller gears that come with the Sas from the factory. This would have left the performance the relatively the same, other than top speed.
Just a friendly reminder, it would be shorter gears for the Sasquatch, numerically higher number but "shorter" or lower ground speed higher engine speed gear ratio" and you're right, the higher numerical gear ratio would make a big positive difference
ive got a big bend edition with the 2.7 eco with about 3500 miles. so far i like it. its a peppy little turd that has surprised myself and a few others at traffic lights. having to use a long hitch because of the rear tire makes for extra trailer sway, but its tolerable. im fitting it out for trailing, camping and atv activities. time will tell about the durability. lol i did put a 13 thousand pound winch on the front too hahahah oh, i special ordered it and was under 50k
2 6l ob F-140 makes that truck faster than 5l V8 and maybe 3.5 (non raptor). Reason i want 2 3 Badlands is the manual transmission. Also, no MPG benefits with a 7-speed manual; the 2.7 is slightly better. I have a 10:55 😂Wrangler plug-in hybrid, and that is a fantastic power train! All the torque you need, and it's quick! Plus, charged I got around 21 moles without using gas, so it's great to save money doing in town chores! I am tempted by the 2.3 and 7-speed manual combo, but I want it in a 4 door badlands with the sasquacht setup... I may wait since rumors are a PHEV. Bronco may be out late w024 with 2.3 and 10 speed Uto plus an electric motor. Considering my Jeep is a 2.0l with electric motor and 8-speed, I see potential gor a car with great off road capability, better road handling than my Rubicon hubrid, and electric range of an estimated 25 to 30 miles, better cabin room over my 4 door jeep... I want Bronco hyvrid... may keep Jeep a bit longer (though I hate how it drives on highway, so I drive it in town or off road, and have Hyundai crossover for longer commutes)
I see the mountains in the background...Denver? Hows it up ther? Driving up steep mountain grades everyday with 35s and a lift. Its gonna be the 2.7L for me. Hope to buy soon. Looking for a 2.7L 4d, non-sas to save$$.
You have great timing. I'm thinking about a Badlands with the I4 with a manual. I will likely have it fully loaded often for camping and whatnot. It won't be my daily but will see some longer trips. It sounds like it will be fine, what are your thoughts?
Yeah I think you should be fine. I haven't driven the manual yet but I imagine it's similar experience to the auto in terms of acceleration. If you're thinking of getting the sasquatch package and adding a ton of weight for camping then you could consider the 2.7L but overall I don't think you'll be disappointed with the 2.3L. I've had it loaded with 4 people and it's been fine.
I have a 2 door badlands non sas with the 2.3 and manual took a trip from Houston to Big Bend and was getting 21.5 mpg for the whole trip. The catch was fifth gear for under 70 mph sixth gear for over 70 mph.
Any engine with a turbo that goes down they're pretty much toast you can't do much with them even in a semi truck not pulling a trailer you have to immediately get them fixed
Adding 2 inches of lift adds to the drag...? Where is the additional drag coming from? You didn't change the shape of the vehicle. There isn't a different frontal area. The body just moves up 2 inches.
Until Ford wises up and replaces their problematic bad reputation Ecoboost line... or at least give customers some better and more reliable options in the Bronco... they will never achieve the sales they would have otherwise... It's not simply a matter of horsepower, it is a problem of over use of plastics, bad design, over powering and complexity.
I ended up getting the 2.3
The cost savings went into the procal tune, intake, exhaust, and new intercooler. This engine feels so alive now.
You definitely notice the difference?
Yeah I’m also curious, how was it after you added everything?
I head if you don’t use premium gas with the procal tune then the performance is actually worse than stock non procal tune
From stock to tuned, there is a HUGE difference in feel. The acceleration and low end torque are noticeable, especially on 93 octane@@mikeriv60
@@mikeriv60definitely
I got the 2.7 in my non sasquatch for towing. Tows our trailers great. My wife has a 2.3 non sasquatch as well both have rear lockers so 4.27 rear gears. Both are adequate. The 2.7 definitely feels lighter and sportier like you said. It accelerates better for sure but the 2.3 is no slouch. The 2.7 has been used in a few different fords as well, including the f150. I think the valve issue was narrowed down to a specific date of engines. I don't think that's an ongoing problem.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing! I'm sure others will also find this helpful.
Exactly right about the 2.7 V6 they have been great in the F-150s
Thanks for the knowledge drop on the 2.7l I want that motor but I didn’t want to run into issues with reliability like that and I’m doing Sasquatch package
I have a Base 4Dr automatic 2.3L non-Sasquatch. I really like this 2.3L engine. Despite being turbocharged acceleration is smooth and linear, but when you mash the pedal there is plenty of power when you need it. Overall it is quite refined and doesn't drone on the freeway or when pulling a grade. I also like the simplicity of an inline 4 over V6, half as many heads, camshafts, turbos, catalytic converters, and there is tons of space under the hood.
Driven both ordered and bought the 2.7l. There's a big difference here
The 2.3 is direct injected only. This will carbon up the valves more. The extra intake injectors in the 2.7 clean the valves. I think Ford has fixed the gasket and valve issues at this point that none of that is a big deal. There is a question about the longevity of the turbos in the Fords, but from my experience that seems to be a luck of the draw thing where some do just fine, and some fail early.
In any case, use a high quality engine oil and flush the coolant regularly. Both of those are vital to the health of the turbos.
I just wish you could get the manual behind the 2.7.
I have an oil catch can due to the DI.
I have the gen2 - 2.3L an feel its plenty. Absolutely love my '23 Bronco Big Bend! 💯
I have a 2.3 mustang, and I love it, it’s so much quicker than people believe! Hoping to get a bronco in the future
You will absolutely love it . 💯👍🏻
I have a ecoboost mustang whit the 2.3 engine and I love it, one day I own one of this new broncos
I could care less about the valves I’m more concerned about the fact that the oil pump on a 2.7 is driven off the crank with a tiny little lawn mower belt and the 2.3 oil pump is driven off a direct gear ⚙️
I have 2.3 manual 2dr badlands without sas. The tires are big enough. I'm happy to have gear on oil pump but not thrilled about no port/dual injection
Exactly. The wet oil pump belt is the major downfall of the 2.7.
I have the 2.7 with sas. It has better acceleration then the 2.3 and I have a lot more confidence in it crawling knowing I have more torque.
Can't ignore altitude. You're driving at about 4,500 feet above sea level in the video, you're engine is always at a disadvantage and on a really hot day might make 25% less power than a standard cool day near Salt Lake City.
You also dont have the the sasquach gearing which makes a pretty big difference. So with a fully Sasquach spec'd vehicle the 2.3L would be totally fine with the 4.70 final gear ratio
Your big bend has either 3.73 or 4.27 (if you spec'd a rear locker) gearing
I have a 2.7 but while I was waiting on mine the dealership let me “test drive” (basically rent) a 2.3 for a week and both engines feel pretty capable, both had the Sasquatch but the 2.3 felt just a bit slower and with a bigger lag, the 2.7 does make it feel lighter but I don’t thing it makes it feel “sporty”
Thanks for sharing!
Look online one 2.3 one 2.7 both bronco outter banks bronco 2.3 is 900 pounds lighter and 2.3 easier to work on put regular in 2.3 it's 270hp run 91 octane it's 300hp the 2 3 beats the 2.7 in drag race
The 2.7 is a beast of an engine
I have a 2.3 and put 35’s. Yes it does slow it down a bit, but I think the 2.3 motor pairs better with the manual transmission in my opinion. I love my 2.3 and ford now has the factory procal tuner that will add 30 hp and 60 torque so it’ll be a lot better in moving bigger tires!
Where do I find out more about this factory tuner mod?
@@djs134the dealership
@@djs134i jus got an eco, they offer it
Is 1st gear severely de-rated in the manual as well? I test drove a 2.3L auto since no dealers in my area have any manuals, and I was disappointed by how much the engine is gimped in 1st gear. 2nd is another story, I was quite surprised by how hard it pulls. There doesn't seem to be too much lag either.
I want to clear up any misunderstandings about the 2.7. They had a very little amount of bad valves from a supplier it was their fault this happened. The 2.7 I have in my F-150 and it’s built from scratch to be a turbocharged engine and I personally think it’s the most reliable ecoboost engine in the lineup. It’s a very durable engine and the block is made out of compacted graphite iron which the 6.7 power stroke diesel engine uses. It was designed to handle all the pressures of a turbocharged engine. As long as you change the oil every 5k it will remain solid. I ordered a 23 heritage with the 2.7 I’m very excited. Also no hate on the 2.3 that engine is also a reliable one.
I thought the 2.7 in the bronco was an aluminum block?
@@markcole6475 no the 2.7 was designed from the beginning with a iron graphite block it’s very durable
@@timschultes6467 oh I see now! The bottom half of the engine is aluminum and the upper half is iron! I could have sworn when I looked under the chassis and up at the engine I saw mostly aluminum….lol
@@markcole6475 lol it’s a good motor I just make sure I change the oil no more then 5,000 miles.
@@timschultes6467 been an heavy line auto tech for over 30 years…..I’ve seen what happens to engines with poor maintenance!
I change full synthetic oils once a year or 5000 miles ….conventional oils get changed every 3000 miles or every 4 months.
I tried them both, I really could not tell the difference. The 2.3 is cheaper and is plenty powerful
I have a four door 2.3 sas manual. I live at a fairly high altitude. Power is fine but definitely notice the lag at times. Mostly doing expedition type off road driving.
Haha! In my day, 300hp was a healthy small block V8 with twice the cubes. I ordered the 2.3 because I wanted a manual tranny. Squatch package also comes with 4.70 gears.
Haha yeah crazy that a 4 cylinder produces 300 hp. Even 25 years ago that was v8 engine power
I think the 2.7 L maybe a liability when roadtripping or overlanding because of less mpg and range
Ty for your opinion, makes it simple for which package we will get
Good review. I also have the 2.3 engine in my four door Black Diamond and find it adequate for everyday driving. I don’t have the sas pkg, but did upgrade to 33 inch tires. If I were doing a lot of rock crawling, I might want the extra torque the 2.7 provides. I am only averaging between 17 and 18 mpg however, so I don’t know if the 2.7 would get better mpg. Thanks.
The 2.3 outer banks bronco is 900 pounds lighter than the 2.7 equipped the same way..... let that sink in
So would you suggest the 2.3 instead then for less weight?
If you go 2.3 do fords procal tune/intercooler swap/charge pipes/change the intake and filter with 1+colder spark plugs and it’s money! I have Sasquatch so I’m 4.7 gears 35” tires
Great review. I have no problem getting a 2.3 because I am prob going to get the non Sasquatch package. Maybe I’ll put that money into a hard top vs soft top. Thank you!!!
Awesome! Yeah great idea!
2.7 has been around since 2015 and it's used in F150 and many other vehicles
My only question would be is there enough room to swap in an LS? That would make it actually cheaper to operate and it would probably last longer
What about gearing? The sasquatch would come with different gearing than if you merely upgraded sasquatch tires and suspension.
You can't compare the Factory Sasquatch performance to yours because you most likely did not add the taller gears that come with the Sas from the factory. This would have left the performance the relatively the same, other than top speed.
This is the real answer. Having a sasquatch suspension + wheels and tires on a 2.3 wont feel the same as a factory sasquatch because of the gearing.
Just a friendly reminder, it would be shorter gears for the Sasquatch, numerically higher number but "shorter" or lower ground speed higher engine speed gear ratio" and you're right, the higher numerical gear ratio would make a big positive difference
ive got a big bend edition with the 2.7 eco with about 3500 miles. so far i like it. its a peppy little turd that has surprised myself and a few others at traffic lights. having to use a long hitch because of the rear tire makes for extra trailer sway, but its tolerable. im fitting it out for trailing, camping and atv activities. time will tell about the durability. lol i did put a 13 thousand pound winch on the front too hahahah oh, i special ordered it and was under 50k
2 6l ob F-140 makes that truck faster than 5l V8 and maybe 3.5 (non raptor). Reason i want 2 3 Badlands is the manual transmission. Also, no MPG benefits with a 7-speed manual; the 2.7 is slightly better. I have a 10:55 😂Wrangler plug-in hybrid, and that is a fantastic power train! All the torque you need, and it's quick! Plus, charged I got around 21 moles without using gas, so it's great to save money doing in town chores! I am tempted by the 2.3 and 7-speed manual combo, but I want it in a 4 door badlands with the sasquacht setup... I may wait since rumors are a PHEV. Bronco may be out late w024 with 2.3 and 10 speed Uto plus an electric motor. Considering my Jeep is a 2.0l with electric motor and 8-speed, I see potential gor a car with great off road capability, better road handling than my Rubicon hubrid, and electric range of an estimated 25 to 30 miles, better cabin room over my 4 door jeep... I want Bronco hyvrid... may keep Jeep a bit longer (though I hate how it drives on highway, so I drive it in town or off road, and have Hyundai crossover for longer commutes)
Have a Base 2.3. 35” tires. Installed Pedal Commander. Problem solved!!
Not everybody is gonna want to do that
Hav 2.3 with 35’s its deff not slow it has enough to get up in go especially if you are using premium unleaded it goes its not fast but still quick
I’m curious does 2.3 can handle some extreme off-road?
You can't get the 2.7l if you want a manual transmission.
I see the mountains in the background...Denver? Hows it up ther? Driving up steep mountain grades everyday with 35s and a lift. Its gonna be the 2.7L for me. Hope to buy soon. Looking for a 2.7L 4d, non-sas to save$$.
Very close! It's actually Utah and the 2.3L does great up here up the hills. Best of luck on your search!
Honestly the loss in performance during hot weather might be because of the shitty stock intercooler
You have great timing. I'm thinking about a Badlands with the I4 with a manual. I will likely have it fully loaded often for camping and whatnot. It won't be my daily but will see some longer trips. It sounds like it will be fine, what are your thoughts?
Yeah I think you should be fine. I haven't driven the manual yet but I imagine it's similar experience to the auto in terms of acceleration. If you're thinking of getting the sasquatch package and adding a ton of weight for camping then you could consider the 2.7L but overall I don't think you'll be disappointed with the 2.3L. I've had it loaded with 4 people and it's been fine.
I have a 2 door badlands non sas with the 2.3 and manual took a trip from Houston to Big Bend and was getting 21.5 mpg for the whole trip. The catch was fifth gear for under 70 mph sixth gear for over 70 mph.
What do you think of the ford power pack for this engine?
Unfortunately I haven't experienced it so I can't speak on how it is
Do you have 3.73 or 4.27 gears?
If that turbo goes down that 4 banger will be a slug !
agreed, but wouldn't the same happen to the v6? 2.7L isn't much displacement
Any engine with a turbo that goes down they're pretty much toast you can't do much with them even in a semi truck not pulling a trailer you have to immediately get them fixed
Good ok utah mountains
so much Ford engine review is about performance and not about longevity.
Adding 2 inches of lift adds to the drag...? Where is the additional drag coming from? You didn't change the shape of the vehicle. There isn't a different frontal area. The body just moves up 2 inches.
Until Ford wises up and replaces their problematic bad reputation Ecoboost line... or at least give customers some better and more reliable options in the Bronco... they will never achieve the sales they would have otherwise... It's not simply a matter of horsepower, it is a problem of over use of plastics, bad design, over powering and complexity.
Great video, Schwayz. Thanks.