Let's Play Riven (2024) - part 10 - The final marble
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- Опубликовано: 22 окт 2024
- After visiting the last rotating dome, it's time to power up the golden dome.
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I love the imagery of Ghen walking out of the mouth of the Wahrk while cultivating a society whereby he feeds villagers to them.
It is amazing to see how different the game is while staying faithful to the original.
5-5-5-5-5? That’s amazing! I’ve got the same combination on my luggage.
Aha! We meet a Gehn, again! Love your playthrough so far, as much as I've enjoyed your other let's plays as well! You again do a great job! 😄
Every day I come home from work, I put on the new Riven episode and I hope it lasts for a while longer. Dank u wel, as en, it’s such a joy to listen to your calm and insightful commentary!
I love how the remake forces you to go to every island, so you can no longer skip the Plateau
Much can be said about this remake, but I love the elaborate redesign of the fire marble puzzle. In my opinion, THIS is what doind a remake of something should be used for: elaborating (graphically and functionally) on something that wasn't possible in the original.
31:20 Yes, the Stranger is invisible (except for the floating hand). We also see evidence of this in Myst III, where we have no feet in the tusk elevator.
For the spinning domes, I believe that you can solve which symbol it is by using the magnifying glass. The moiety marked the correct symbol.
I was just about to make a comment about that. I was surprised that Sven didn't mention that there were paint marks above the correct symbols on the domes.
@@majorgeek I personally didn't know until I saw someone else show it.
I.made the same comment
3:45 yeah I think both doors to Gehn's lab are locked in the original game, forcing you to go through the fan vent in order to unlock the path from Jungle Island to Survey Island via Boiler Island.
Another thing that has changed from the original Riven with the firemarble puzzle is that you no longer had to guess which symbol and color were Prison Island's. Since you can visit as soon as you open Temple Island's dome, you also get the symbol pretty much immediately. In the original there was ambiguity as to what Prison Island's color was, since you didn't know the symbol, and until you accessed the waffle iron, you didn't know what the sixth color was (since one of the wahrk lights was burned out). You can easily just trial and error it, since you have unlimited tries for the firemarble puzzle, but I think there was also a way of figuring it out logically, but I can't remember what the process was right now :p
Ah this is it, time to confront Gehn! I feel like we're forgetting something?! Eh it's probably nothing.
So in the remake it's easier to finish the marble than the animal puzzle. Or at least to get to it quicker as long as you don't guess part of the animal one.
I had the feeling that in the original it was the other way around.
i haven't seen the animal puzzle yet so don't spoil it for me. So far, at this stage of the lets play, the game overall seems much easier than the original. However, lets see whats next.
Man. Jungle island looks sooo good in the remake.
Not only a less elaborate elevator, but also much-much less OSHA-compliant. You can easily get crushed if you standed in a slightly wrong spot; and you would definitely be able to get crushed if this was a sierra adventure game, not a cyan one
Excellent. Hard to remember all the details of the original since it's been so long. Moving in the star expanse gives me vertigo :)
Huh, somehow I completely missed the top row of buttons at the telescope control machine.
Sven, if you use the viewer on the domes the right symbol is marked with the special paint. Making it easier to identify. But i played the VR version and there are many differences.
Did Gehn lose his marbles?
12:38 Check out 42:49 of "Let's Play The Riven Demo with Cyan's Harrison Pink and Claire Hummel." I interpret those comments to imply that not only was it the intention that the intermediate symbols on the domes represent intermediate colors, but for any color of the rainbow, you could write a symbol corresponding to it.
49:30 Is it possible to go back up and manually reset the puzzle to the state you found it in, causing the book to lose power? It didn't occur to me that a single set of fire marbles could be exploded more than once. Either way, I guess Gehn wants you to find him *only if* you are smart enough to solve the puzzle yourself.
Heh, the sound effect for the internal dome opening is the same as for the jukebox in Nexus in Uru
Say... weren't you supposed to get your trapped linking book back first? With out it you lack a 'bargaining piece' to use with Gehn.
Beyond that... has Gehn made a single standard elevator in any of the islands at all? They all seem to be their unique implementations. Actually now that I think about it, every technological device of his seems to use some what different controls, looks, etc... I'm getting the feeling Gehn isn't much one for standardization. At least he didn't use different solutions with in the same systems though, like all the transporters are the same, if even those had been different his non-standard approach would be even more extreme.
Villagers didn't go into the whark mouth at least WILLINGLY. It only now occurs to me prisoners that weren't . . . publicly punished . . . were probably taken to Survey Island and dealt with that way.
Also, my inner child really hopes the next video is titled "We Meet A Gehn."
If the intermediate cat's eyes are intermediate colors, then the one for orange shouldn't be a "main" color, logically. It's not a very obvious color to strictly differentiate from everything else and usually comes late in the history of naming colors in a language. Unless the D'ni color vision is not human
Heading into the menu, then selecting the notebook, remains my biggest annoyance with this update to Riven. I really wish they had an 'in game' way of taking and retrieving these screenshots - like a sheet in your bag or even moving the mouse to the side of the screen to pull out a drawer etc.
Waiting for next....😊
Did you ever look at the domes using the special lens?
Waiting for part 11😍
They should have kept the yellow marble it was a good red herring that made it near impossible to just guess/randomly get things right. You have to more or less understand what your doing
Yeah, official sources mentioned (in either the demo LP or the State of Cyan video, I forgot) that Richard Vander Wende designed the symbols to blend into each other so they could express a color gradient.
I'm also glad they changed the waffle iron from 25x25 to 5x5. The larger grid didn't make the original puzzle more challenging, it just made it more fussy. Once you understood the principle, figuring out the exact placement of each marble really just amounted to pixel hunting.
I only wish they'd retained the requirement that you figure out how the placement of the marbles corresponds to the location of the spinning domes. But I am pretty sure that was the original plan; like you, I feel like they intended for Survey Island to turn out differently than it ended up.
34:40 The walkway on the upper floor of the golden dome seems a lot smaller/shorter in the remake.
34:00 With that elevator, it doesn't make as much sense anymore to have the path in the top of the dome going from one side to the other., or at least from the rotating room to the centre.
I don’t know why, but every time I see a rotating dome it reminds me of the Pennant (the big black sphere with the mayan symbols on top) that the Mazon drop on Earth in the manga/anime Captain Harlock.
I guess I’m just a bit old. :P
Actually, if the Jungle rift is under the spinning dome, did it just kinda... get into the tree? How did they know it was there, then? And how did Gehn install the plates to contain it?
Did I miss it, or did you? You were going to explore the pathway on the other side of the mag-lift you arrived on. It appears that you left on a different one..
For the life of me, I could not see that the strike force numbers were + and - when I first played this remake. The + looked more like a crossed out dash. Basically I read the 5 #s as a true/false statement.
Id assume somthing triggers the change my gusse would be opening gehn journal or somthing near to that. Once done it replaces the rift
Don't go to 233 without the prison book! Remember what Atrus said!
You actually can, you get some extra dialogue that way.
Why not? You CAN to go to 233 without it, as it isn't required.
No wonder if the code or combination is a phone number for cyan or a winning phone prize😅😅😅 29:03
7:00 This viewer glitched for me every time. Looking through it the symbol was not changing.
And after it the lens glitched too. You could take it out, but your view wouldn't change. The program did act as if you were using it, as you had to use an extra ESC key press to go to the menu, for instance.
my man you have the CHUNKIEST mouse EVER what model of mouse do you have? i need to find myself one that makes that sound!
(I'm being chatty) If the air inlet get air _into_ the Fissure... why does the lid open _up?_
Because that way pressure keeps it closed. If it opened down, it would open and then stay open forever.
@@gabedamien Oh. Right. Duh
20:40 I remember being really creeped out when playing the original and seeing the image of Gehn on the alter for the first time.
A thing I wonder with Linking Books, is why it has to be a book in the first place? I mean with a Description Book I can understand: you need to be able to write in it, hence a book. But all a Linking Book contains is a panel on the first page... so why contain it in a book of all things? Wouldn't any flat surface theoretically suffice? Is there a piece of Myst lore stating that books are especially good "linking vessels"?
I believe it was mentioned somewhere how the link between a Description Book and Linking Book is even made, which may hold the key to my question, but I don't remember what it was.
Yeah, It's definitely one of those mechanics that you weren't supposed to think too hard about and besides, in 1993 there were a lot weirder premises to take at face value(Like everything in Cosmic Osmo for example).
That's what makes the reimagining of the Golden Dome so nice, It shows that Cyan was thoughtful enough address people's questions with something other than "it's just a game, bro"
If you've played/seen Uru, you'll see that some linking books can have multiple linking panels, on separate pages, linking to different areas of the same age. So that's one advantage of using a book as opposed to a single sheet.
@@meddlerfilms2585 Yeah I’m fully aware that I am likely overthinking this, but that’s only a compliment as it is only because the lore IS so thought through and complex that it prompts me to think harder about how this interesting world works.
@@PikaLink91 Right exactly. The very concept of the golden dome and its fire marbles just BEGS you to ask "so...what is this DOING exactly?"
45:00 As the sliders can't pass each other, the order of the symbols with the offsets in Ghen's journal and the order of the coloured sliders must be the same. So the information obtained in the chair on map island isn't really needed.
EDIT: Ah, you pointed that out too.
This episode could be called _Let's Play Riven (2024) - Part 10 - Sven Realizes How Much He Missed._
I feel like this (the fire marble puzzle) is by far the weakest point of the remake.
The grid solution being used immediately on the elevator is weird (why even move it from its original location?). Combined with the colour coded sliders means survey island is pratically useless from both a narrative (survey what? pratically just a whark tank now) and gameplay standpoint other than giving you a solution basically for free.
I think removing the colour coding from the sliders, removing the 'lock' from the elevator on survey island, and perhaps making the survey puzzle/mechanics a bit more complicated (something that perhaps involves the dome locations again?) Would make this much better again.
I agree that the 5x5 grid vs 25x25 is a decent change, and I love the new marble/dome stuff otherwise, but survey island needed a bit more love.
I aggree with this, and the changes you note also make it feel much more 'gamey' and less like a believable real place. Though survey island wasn't that functional in the original either, the only reason to go there is an 'information lock'.
@@roberthickman4092 thats true, but most of rivens original puzzles were information based, that was what made it so good. I agree survey island didnt have too many gameplay usages (though definitely more), the presence of the actual survey hut thingy made it a much more believable useful place for surveying in my opinion
Since Atrus holds a discriptive book, continuously trying to keep the Age from collapsing, it is obvious that he put that starry expanse breakout on Jungle island into the confinement.
I love that viewer seat so cool
Oh yeah gens 233th age love music box tune in that age
Ok sven see ya
It was diversion someone blew up maglev track
In original there was chair which i liked but they removed it
Yes sven its maglevs part
Was that secret button necessary
36:55 It was a little more like a poffertjespan.
ruclips.net/video/NPeFz1FmhFM/видео.html oh man, I was looking for the button outside like crazy - my first thought was that it is a bug that I could not see it.
Hello sven