@@SergioLeonardoCornejo except she didn’t, people took what she said out of context. From what I can tell She actually was defending silvervale and in fact is still friends with her
@@megarotom1590 saying that "people make mistakes" ? just for playing a game of a series she liked? though, I'm hopeful that they both cleared up behind the scenes since then
@@megarotom1590Saying “people make mistakes” isn’t defending Silver, as her comment implies there was something wrong with what silver did (playing a video game). Defending Silver would’ve been more like “That’s messed up, people shouldn’t be attacking Silvervale over a video game”
this give me a funny idea, does that mean North Korea people are the most creative people on earth? XD ofc jokes aside since freedom give everyone the chance to be creative, only the BEST among them will shine, and will also create competition, ofc this is a different idea from a corpo agency, here we are talking about a job and how total freedom has it’s cons & pros, because i do believe Matara and michi feel way more relaxed in this type of work environment, since they did got a taste of corpos being way to overbearing, hell straight up black company type of work enviroment
The whole Hogwarts Legacy debacle is honestly what had me checked out of Froot with how disgusting that was (though i don't actively harass her but just choose instead to not watch any content involving her, which is what most people should do honestly); and no shade at everyone at V-shojo since not everyone is deliberately controversial, but if one of their members posts something despairing making someone look like the scum of the earth then its poor them with back-pats, if someone comes back to set the record straight over things that happened they get dog piled to protect their friend. You see this in practically every drama that happened with their members.😕 But yeah, its talent freedom until its not and they always do their reigning back behind closed doors and really only to protect certain people it seems.
@@XionSteel there’s some clarification elsewhere, Froot actually said it in an unrelated stream before everything even went down. The idea she backstabbed Silver is a myth perpetuated by people who already disliked her and/or Vshojo then spread by those who didn’t know better. She is even still on good terms with Silver
@@Mondoness dont really watch Hina but shes fine. Mari streams a bit late for me. Shondo a bit early. Smug is fine but streams around the same time as the Korsche. Its a timing issue not a content issue.
It’s just funny to me how the Vshojo fanbase moved on when Vshojo didn’t warn people sooner about the fake email scam that got people doxxed and swatted, moved on when the members did PR apologies to Nux and moved on when Froot said “everybody makes mistakes” in her chat when it came to Silver getting harassed…but Froot cheating on her husband was a step too far? I get cheating is terrible but where was all this hate during the first two dramas? If anything, Vshojo should never be trusted again after that email controversy. How many Vtubers got swatted, doxxed and their info taken?
My stance on Froot will always be this: I don't care that she cheated. I'm not going to date her, so any issue I could have is immediately solved. My issue is that she, her mom, & her company tried to hide it, & they went so far as to abuse RUclips's copyright when doing so. Twice. Something that they've barely addressed. As for the rest of Vshojo, some of them really need to learn how to stop talking. They've lightly touched on politics, some things they shouldn't be. Some get hate & can't help but sperg out. & The biggest concern is how... clique-y they can feel at times. Their behavior, I think, partly stems from the fact that Gun Run is a former Twitch employee (literally helped start the company). The other part stems from the niji refugees. I could just be schizo though.
I mean the clique-y thing was said by Sayu which maybe you think she's just some vindictive bitch who's words can't be trusted, but there's enough actions and words stated from others that makes it fairly probable. Like Silvervale talking about how fake everyone was in the group which happened some amount of time before her leaving as well as after the Hogwarts stuff where Froot threw indirect shade at her, the Nux thing where one of the two sides is in the wrong where someone is betraying their friend's trust, the hiring process where it seems completely open to friends only despite open auditions.
@anthonynguyen1289 Sayu functionally got unpersoned by everyone except indies & small corpos (mainly Phase), & Vshojo will rarely ever risk their brand with someone like that, especially with her humor. Vshojo just feels like... you're average Twitch streamer. With all of the problems that come with it. But, because it's under the same company label, it's more noticeable.
@@anthonynguyen1289 sayu also spoke very highly of Vshojo and said that if it was an option for her that it would have been a very nice option just not one that was open to her (partially cause her unresolved stuff with Matara which was a mistake on Sayu’s end by her own admission)
Talent Freedom means the talent can do what they believe will further their branding. However that Talent Freedom also comes with strings like not destroying the reputation of the company itself. This has always been the biggest issue with Vshojo, the Nux situation proved they didnt have a good enough manager apparatus to support and defend the talent. Nux oddly worked with Gunrun to uncover the issue and was given the green light to post a video about it. It was his managers who failed along with Legal that put pressure on Gunrun to make Nux take it down. Then those managers railroaded Nux as reprisal. Froot was always a problem streamer even before Vshojo. She was a e-girl turned vtuber then on top of all of that she was constantly a meangirl towards other smaller vtubers. She lucked out in part due to being friends with Nyanners, Vae and Silver. The following she got (aka her simps) were in part fueled by her face reveal before Vshojo was formed. However people already knew about her cheating allegations, some even got the full story that she was emotionally manipulative towards her ex husband and used his PTSD against him. Then when there was forms of retaliation she played victim. This was her ex-husbands story about Froot. The problem was at the time she was gaining popularity and like any celeb she quietly paid him off. The problem with payoffs is while it may eventually get the accuser to back down, it doesnt stop independents from keeping up the attack. No one was asking Froot about her past. Its more of Froot started to see people pull away from her because of that Hogwarts behavior. How she acted since then, and that a lot of her Vshojo members actively kept an arms length away from her and collabed with other Vtubers. What she did was to create controversy for relivence...in turn she harmed herself and Vshojo as a brand.
@@grygaming5519 even if all that she did was true, pushing her too far is not any better. We’ve seen in the past that bullying and harassment can lead to loss of life and this goes both ways. If Froot ultimately decides to end her own life, the consequences can be very very fatal the chain of events that follow after would be devastating to a very high degree. If what happened to Luluu Ria was anything to go by, it can happen to her too
Very detailed an informative breakdown of what happened. I'm not that familiar with Froot outside of listening to her song covers. She's got a good metal voice. That said I can't condone cheating, gaslighting, emotional manipulation, and etc. That said I don't like seeing people's lives spiral out of control. I hope she gets mental help and turns her life around...
@@grygaming5519 “nobody was asking Froot about her past” tell me you don’t know what’s going on without saying you don’t know what’s going on As recent as a few months before the doc, the people harassing Froot and those connected to her were so prevalent Mouse herself addressed it basically saying the allegations were false and that people should stop harassing people over stuff they knew nothing about (may not be exact since I am going off something that happened months ago but the general gist is accurate I can assure you and the clip still exists so very easy to check) Also Froot and Silver are still friends. The idea Froot intentionally backstabbed Silver is a myth using a statement taken out of context And I’ll also add that her ex provided no real evidence of cheating running off the moment he was being questioned and Froot was provided a mountain against him so I think Froot’s a bit more believable Most the allegations against Froot come from AntHime who intentionally cropped stuff to manipulate evidence, fabricated photos of Froot to try to legitimize claims she made, took recordings clipped them and spread them without context, and straight up broke the law Look I don’t like Froot but the narratives against her are absolutely ridiculous and baseless
Imma be honest I’d much rather more transparency not less. I’d rather Vshojo be open about letting people know when management opposes something. Rather then quietly silence them from behind the curtain like a certain other agency
Other than their very public histories, it's mainly that we can't even go six months without one of them causing some kind of shitshow. We can all agree they are consistent in that regard at least.
Vshojo talents want to believe they have the same freedoms to do whatever they want like indies but then not have to deal with any of those consequences because they are also technically corporate. . .but as seen here, that is impossible
@JudgeNicodemus All your talking about is to assumptions made about her that have no proof to back them up The hwl situation never happened she never caused it there is no substantial proof showing otherwise (That comment was made on her own stream to something completely unrelated) The cherity well yes it would be nice for follow up on it it's her money to begin with she said she would match the number of likes with her own money As far as the scandal it's been disproven that she even cheated the dates line up to the fact she didn't Not to mention she denied it in her original fb post as well Not to mention she has a medical disability dyslexia read up on it
@@Rain_blackrose_HxA the funny thing with the charity is it’s not like people donated money they liked a post on Twitter like- yah Also noticeably the charity she initially planned on donating to for caught in controversy so people somehow are both upset she ever planned to donate there likely without knowing and that she chose not to follow through after finding out like ??? I mean I think it’d be good if she donated to another charity and who knows maybe she did and just kept it private or maybe she didn’t but like People make it sound like she gathered money and kept it rather than the fact she got likes on Twitter
@megarotom1590 yeah she actually was informed by people on twitter and in her own stream of this she made a quote tweet on the original tweet itself saying she would pick a different charity and that she loved and supported her brother and it wasn't a big deal They ended up picking the most liked replacement cherity as far as I know she never made a tweet about it but she addressed it in a stream from what I gather
@megarotom1590 yeah exactly it was her own money being put up not anyone else's So by that logic she owes No one a explanation now She switched cheritys so its all good
Talent freedom's all well and good in theory, but there can be a point where's it's in everyone's best interest to halt a train wreck, or at least worth intervening to minimise the catastrophe.
Phase is run by a guy who is actually good at his job and dizzy who she herself has over 20 years management experience and the fishman actually cares about his talents
@@melvinmerkelhopper5752 yah not really… they got countless things wrong in something as short as this. The other three aren’t flawless but they definitely have a better track record than this video alone
I don't find this video especially entertaining or enlightening. Low effort and I'm not impressed with any advice you give. But I suspect that isn't really your point in doing this video.
Nah I lost respect for them after the bullshit that happened to Silvervale during the HL debacle. Management should have stepped in and didn’t, she was treated so badly and Froot siding against her just wedged that knife deeper. I still watch Mousey, Michi and Haruka from time to time but not as much as I used to. Just what a terrible way to handle something so serious. Silver is one of my oshi’s bro and hearing her cry hurt my soul.
Froot was never involved in that to begin with She showed support to silver in a stream The day of and was actively harassed for even associating with silvervale The everyone makes mistakes comment was days prior in a art stream of froots responding to something completely unrelated to the hwl situation
@@Rain_blackrose_HxA Froot was against Silvy fully and was part of the harassment campaign! Froot is a terrible person and is being protected by VShojo just like Kurosanji is protecting trash like Vox and Elira!
@@Rain_blackrose_HxA that’s because Anthime and others deliberately circulated it after out of context to paint her negatively. And unfortunately people fell for it hook line and sinker
I see the problem, they omitted some of the slogan from talent freedom... -until it affects the company's image or bottom line- no but jokes aside there is a reason guidelines and regulations are placed on employees when operating under their association. Making your whole brand letting your employees do what they want is a problem when the employee start getting into trouble, regardless of whether you as an individual believe xyz controversy was justified or not it causes the company at large reputational damages with someone.
Now, even my personal stance and opinions on Froot aside, right now i think VShojo has more or less ironed out most of the problems. But Froot is the biggest problem, like she's basically a magnet for drama, she just keeps doing that for clout, and it affects other streamers in the company, like with that doc drop. Vshojo would just be way better without Froot. As for the management thing, they should've also stepped in when Froot threw Silvervale, her coworker under the bus essentially and supported hogwarts legacy harassment campaign, instead of stepping in when there was zero need for them to do so. The whole Nux thing could've been handled better but, eh, in that case both sides acted like fools. The only other problem i can think of is streaming exclusively on twitch, i mean why not use restream? Doesn't take much effort and nets more viewers, and if memory serves me right twitch removed the no-multistreaming rule. 14:19 Oh, old Pochi model, been ages since i last seen it, glad someone still remembers her.
The nux thing really rubbed me the wrong way. It would have been so simple to put out a statement "VShojo will only contact you via [insert method]" but they sat on it. Then when an outside party put out the warning, they declared war. That completely stripped the illusion that those girls cared about anyone other than themselves.
@JAWsInfinity i think that nux is a awful person and how he handle the taiga situation and leeching off vtuber drama that has nothing to do with him. I think vshojo is in the wrong In this situation they allow him to cover the situation and praise him for covering it but immediately change their minds for unknown reasons and backstabbing him for covering a situation that he was allowed to cover
5:07 Everytime I see this pisses me off. Especially because the justification is, its for there talent "safety" like what the hell. The whole issue was that there was someone impersonating Vshojo and recruiting "NEW" members and obtaining information about them. If you saw the video Nux posted, "HE" was a targeted victim. Which is why he made a video exposing the impersonator with the help Muta. Which has been going on for months. 1st. So riddle me this how the fuck do you fear for your "safety" when the impersonator is going after indie Vtubers and not those that are already apart of Vshojo. On top of already knowing this is going on since early spring 2021. Nux video and fiscal happen in November. 2nd. Vshojo is terrible company and the way it ran or structure. If this would have been 1 time incident with Nux and moved forward it would have been fine. But then you see talent leaving and members doing controversial things. Which also irritates me when Ironmouse says "yeah i dont know why they dont like us" (paraphrase but you get the point) Geez I wonder why.
@@superplusextra9634 i believe that the person doing the scam was threatening to release doxing information. Most of which I assume is readily available online. That or he had previously scammed one of the talents and possibly had additional information. That said, knowing about a scammer for 8 months and not doing anything about it until others got scammed was absurd and should have never happened. A simple PR announcement saying "we wont ask for your personal information" was all it would take
I find it strange they step in when someone says something slightly critical of their main clique, but not when the same handful acts like drama stirring mean girls.
Agreed. I fell out of Vshojo myself a long time ago. Used to watch alot of zens content and enjoyed it. But then i found out about the numerous Political and Hypocritical comments made by the members and has since left a sour taste in my mouth😶 Oh! And cool model btw.
Fair. I also like Zen because her and her chat together are a hilarious comedic duo. That said I primarily know her content through clippers, rather than watching streams.
@@HassanSabbaku im not trying to get into the commentary space nor do I expect this to be a common thing but every so often i wouldnt mind talking about a topic or two.
Thank you for being on point with the point of your video. I'm noticing people trying to fact check but they miss the point of it. You focused on how the events affected the brand reputation, not who's good or bad in the events.
@@nobafan7515 i like Vshojo being part of the corpo vtuber world because they offer a good package to join (despite being a bit of a nepo-hire corpo). That said there are a few things that each year pops up that I dislike.
For these videos where it’s you yapping, remember to differentiate them from the other clips by putting something like your own model in the thumbnail. It might help people who are more interested in this type of content. Good stuff, Azehara!
@@captainskippy4560 yeap she did lol, she is pon at times. But she was correct in her statements, management making her delete the tweets showed a very clear bias with froot. The issue is, Kson is FAR bigger than Froot and very likely the anchor for the JP side. If she goes all JP will probably follow her because Vshojo jp rellies mainly on Kson
@@大-g4b5 most people didn’t, it’s 90 pages, though those who have, especially people in the military, have been supporting of Froot And you don’t need to read more than the first couple to know that what happened to her was horrible
5:44 This was me. I only watched Vshojo passively on RUclips, but after almost all of them exposed themselves as toxic vile individuals in that situation, I unsubbed from them and refuse to this day to watch them (even the new members that I actually respect 😢). But Nux got horrid later so I unsubbed and stopped watching his content too. (So I guess it balances out? 🤷♂️)
This was me, except I actually had watched a lot of Ironmouse and Zen before Vshojo. Back during the Among Us hype of 2020, I was a Momo fan and almost all of what became Vshojo streamed their first Among Us game with Momo and I started watching them shortly after. And don’t get me started with Nux, I watched him so much then he changed shortly after the Vshojo incident.
@ Yeah, Zen is one of the old members that I still respect. Ironmouse I’m kind of “ehh…” because I found her deflections and “It was never about the phishing” to be rather tasteless and ignorant, but since that’s all it’s hard to have animosity towards a person with a terminal (might not be the right word, but basically an unavoidable inhibitor to her daily life) illness who has worked so hard to reach her accomplishments.
Okay, having only relative freedom instead of pure freedom? Fine. But I'd haaaate to have my social media account used to berate someone; it has the same energy as a certain other company's members' then-Twitter accounts being used to tell people to watch this one stream (you know, the "black stream").
Talent freedom is fine but it's not like they have zero rules currently otherwise they wouldn't even have contracts, right? They already give up some freedoms as an indie for joining so I don't think ascribing 'absolute' to their talent freedom branding is very fair. They should focus on having more of a handle on talents posting sensitive or drama related content just from a PR perspective.
@@ravesage i think if they are going to go with the talent freedom route they should explains what that means. Realistically there is not full freedom but letting people know the boundaries help
yes i would like to see Vshojo take this as a learning process to change how they impose their rules and policy its just that people would take this too far and harass the newly debuts just like what they've done to the new hololive dev members threatening them that they should graduate soon
@@kagin1235 i was going to release the video about a month ago and it was going to be centered around Froot's document. I recorded it and it came off extremely mean spirited and hateful. Scrapped it and re-wrote the script about 3 weeks ago to focus on the company.
@@AzeharaCh fair point but still people can take this too far and start a witch hunt even the innocent will not be spared. a few days ago in one of clips of henya showing the trailer of their new jp gen i reported one comment that straight up out of nowhere called Vshojo a black company and said that they should'nt have debuted in this company. so i assumed that these are just the nijisisters larping and sabotaging both Vshojo and Hololive. sure what a coincidence that all of this drama is happening at the same time.
But i'm surprised at this time the company with the least drama is Phase connect and Brave group which they don't wanna even bother to talk about because they'er just a bunch of small corpos that became affiliates
Honestly, good vid. You give some very fair points of criticism that vshojo should hear. This isn’t a hate video, it’s a video about how they can be better in the future. Was informative and entertaining for some one who isn’t really into the vtuber scene. If somehow people are angry at this, they shouldn’t. Constructive criticism is how you better yourself. If you believe you are perfect and above criticism, you set yourself up for failure.
I mean they already completely failed at grasping what happened with Nux, so my trust in that is low. Rima has a much better video explaining the incident and it was mostly on Nux
This is more a response to the comments rather than the video itself; I don't get many of these takes, non-arguments, and absurd caping being performed by a continuous handful that just makes no sense. At some point, unless you willingly remove your centers for logic and reason, the preponderance of existing evidence, be it anecdotal/factual/empirical, is enough to make a proper judgment of something. Vshojo has a habit of shooting themselves in the foot for no reason. Froot has a contentious online history, and regardless if you believe some of it is incorrect or falsified, the reality is that she is constantly the epicenter of all these issues. If you want to patron her or her company, do you, but being surprised that people don't agree or abide and want to stop hearing about it, and running defense around it for someone who doesn't even know of your existence is inarguably some amount of pathetic. Also, just to address some things directly: two people following each other on Twitter doesn't make them friends, and a known pot-stirrer saying they're still friends with an ex-coworker with no provided evidence is hysterical hearsay bordering on gaslighting. Cool to see the new model and new content style.
Look, idk Froot. I’ve only seen clips. But, like all drama, I think this is all either exaggerated or an overreaction. I’m not dismissing legitimate criticisms, just saying usually it’s not worth getting upset over. Let alone to the extent people take it. Attacking people for so much as suggesting they were sympathetic towards Froot over the cheating allegations. The slightest dissenting opinion on that specifically brought so much hate. A blind hate. And I don’t see that level of hate being necessary, even if the allegations were true. It’s not worth getting that upset over. Heck, I expect this comment to get a lot of hate if it gets traction and/or doesn’t get eaten by RUclips. I also think truth matters and if lies are being spread they need to be weeded out. Or else any legitimate criticisms may come to be dismissed because of the lies. And this applies to anything not just Froot and VShojo.
And if I got the jnfo right, standard procedure is to not make a public statement since that would mean bringing attention to the fact that the feds were onto the scammers.
I think VShojo needs to change its mission, because it isn't feasible. The company needs to intervene from time to time. Censoring the talents, especially the ones with bad PR sense, protects them.
I'm Glad, That No one Went After PK during this. I can't imagine dealing With the Ramifications ((Subsequently being made Public Number #1)) from Froots BPD Episode alongside loosing his home in Carolina here.
Freedom doesn't warrant irrational and irresponsible behavior and actions. Froot doesn't get that, and neither does Gunrun. This is why Hololive maintains a professional image by setting down fair ground rules while at the same time give them talent freedom to do what they want to entertain their audience. You know you f-cked up when a well known figure like Gabe Newell called you out on your baloney.
@@diligentone-six2688 who gets to decide what behavior is irresponsible? Plenty of people say that Froot was completely in the right to post the document as it gave her side. Here’s the funny thing, until you give your side people will claim you’re admitting guilt and then the moment you do, they claim you only caused more problems by doing so.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo the definition of that is subjective and Vshojo very clearly doesn’t want to be like other companies, it would have never gotten where it was copying what everyone else did There are pros and cons to both… but for those in Vshojo clearly the pros are higher
@@megarotom1590 let me put it this way. Professionalism includes not alienating your audience (they've done so, mostly Froot), and not doing things for that make you look bad individually (Froot again).
You can put your talents in a frame without feeling the need to suffocate them, cutting them loose and letting them do whatever they want on their MAIN accounts is not the only way to go. Idk why Vshojo insists on doing what they are doing... and worst of all - I do not know why and how they stay afloat other than following trends. Vshojo is more of a very loosely-defined Twitch Stream Team than an agency because Vshojo talents do NOT: - Collab with each other as often as they collab with completely unrelated people; - Have a schedule they are expected to adhere to, not even a little bit (I mean shit, look at Hime Hajime, she just streams whenever she wants, can take a year and half break from vtubing without a reason while still actively posting shit on twitter); - Have any sort of deadline for anything they make; - Have any rules or guidelines that limit what they can say and how on their channels and accounts (again, look at Hime Hajime - she mouthed off about irl politics on her Twitter like it was no problem; this would end up with a contract termination if it was Hololive; and also look at Froot, of course); There is more but these are the things that peeve me the most.
thous matter jack bro, got really bend out of shape for just one person, so fucking what that she bearly streams? ain’t none of your god damn buissniess, also the majority have a schedule ??? you only brought hime as if every one does the same as her? also what deadline do you bloody need? they have no contractual obligation TO YOU
Well let’s be honest in case of Hime for her Vtubing was just a fun way to engage with trendy thing. I’m pretty sure she’s more popular in her irl persona anyway same as with that devil guy whose name I forgot the one from ironmouse lore.
Oh shoot i didn't know you had a model! Thanks for the info, didn't know about Vshojo's history before the Kettle joined. Always enjoy seeing you in chat.
I think this video is very well intentioned but I think you didn’t do enough research though I will say that it at least points out Vshojo needs more clarity with their explanations so that way there is no room for misunderstanding
@ I have noticed past clips from this creator have been Very critical of Vshojo. Whether that’s an honest attempt of criticism or thinly veiled dislike… I couldn’t tell you
Remember when people made a shit list of people who supported her? Like the people who made a list of streamers who played the wizard game? Horseshoe theory is real.
It's less of a horseshoe theory but more of a characteristic of the twitter brainrot. Not to mention that most of those "people" don't have any ideals, they just love the slacktivism aspect of getting mad and acting like a subhuman without any responsibility. In part, it's taken from east-asian netizens, in part, from tumblr, but the result is simple: the bunch of infantile no-livers that weren't bullied enough, and, therefore, would gladly do the most evil and disgraceful shit, just to tickle their fun centers in their brains.
From what I understand Nux went nuclear against the scammer at the same time that management was working behind the scenes to do things in the proper order with regards to legal proceedings etc. Management was fearing a massive lawsuit if it could be shown that he was acting on behalf of anyone in Vshojo. Considering how much Nux had been talking to various talents, and they had probably told him to not do anything, he was the one who ruined everything. You don't understand how utterly screwed the company could have gotten from his actions, and because he's a moron who will scream any secret out loud, they couldn't risk telling him in secret on a video call that they have to distance themselves due to legal stuff, and he was too dumb to figure it out himself. The statement they did was a bit overkill, I'll say that, since they're accusing him of malicious doxxing when really it's more like revealing a scammer to the world, but they can't afford to give an inch of credibility to any theory that Nux and Vshojo were in cahoots. Remember, it's not about who's right, it's about who is within the law. And defamation/doxxing lawsuits can get nasty if you're unlucky with the jurisdiction. Think of it this way: Nux was playing with matches in the powderkeg storage room. Vshojo management slapped him hard, and he ran away crying and portrayed himself as if he wasn't doing anything dangerous. Btw, I don't really like Vshojo that much myself, how they treated Silvervale was atrocious, but the nux situation isn't what you portrayed it as. If you can't see this, then you can't see 90% of the reason corpo is the way it is, and you also won't see it coming when one day you've stepped over a boundary and find yourself at the end of massive lawfare.
oh, and Froot is a total trash person, and the whole "comraderie" they have between them comes off as ultra fake so often. They're way too often being shown to be total vapid virtue signallers who'd sell their parents if it got them clout. You don't get to talk about mental health and how important it is to stand by your friends when one of your colleagues organized a hate mob against another of your colleagues over a game, a franchise game that didn't even involve the person who supposedly was the devil herself. The only ones who acted correctly in the wizard game situation were Phase Connect. Tenma's legendary tweet and Pippa playing the game even though she hates Harry Potter, just because she hated the twitter mob more.
I realize I didn't write it unambiguously: management would be afraid that the scammer could sue Vshojo, after Nux doxxed him. This would happen because Nux had been in so much contact with Vshojo and their talents regarding this matter, and Nux going nuclear could have been an underhanded and ILLEGAL way of dealing with the scammer, orchestrated by Vshojo or one of the talents that Nux talked to. If such a connection was shown, Vshojo could be in deep doodoo, even though the dude was a scammer. As such, they needed to distance themselves absolutely from Nux until it all died down with a strong enough signal that it could not be mistaken that Nux went rogue.
You’re blaming the person who exposed the scam, rather than the actual scammer or the company that wasn’t doing anything to protect their signed talent? Holy deflection Batman!
@@halo2dDidn't Vshojo have talks with law enforcement at the time? And they were told to keep quiet about it so they can catch the perpetrator and not erase their tracks? Not to mention while all of this was going on the company contacted the two persons who were doxxed to keep them safe. Nux was only in it to paint himself as a savior of the people.
@@piotrjeske4599 vast majority are indifferent to her. But this stunt ended up with some people that hate her, exposing why and people who had no reason who she was ended up with a negative perception of her.
Good video with some good points on management. However i do recommend looking into the Froot allegations more cause a lot of it turned out to be a bunch of bullshit. I did two videos on it recently after an extensive investigation. It was kind of an insane rabbit hole. Also the way the vtuber community reacted to this controversy was embarrassingly shit. Most people just blindly believed what was said on 4chan and twitter with no evidence or just straight up lies. I do admit Froot handled the situation very poorly though. She kinda just stuck her head in the sand and let management try to suppress the people slandering her. You may disagree but I think Froot should have released the doc much sooner and went more in-depth on her side of things instead of ignoring it cause the longer it goes on the longer the false allegations fester and more people hate her. Also although Depressed Nousagi's video on Froot was good at the time he has admitted with the new info that has came out that the video has become very much outdated and plans to do a follow up. So doing a plug for it now without a disclaimer is kinda disingenuous but i understand. It is the most concise video out there on the topic right now and a lot of it still holds up so not a big deal. Oh and Turkey Tom was investigating this too. I don't know for sure if he's making a main channel video on it though, but i hope so cause this drama got really degenerate lmaooooo
@@Rain_blackrose_HxAyeah nop still don’t believe her because this is easy to fake, chat and conversations, also this is not the first time some one made allegations of abuse without knowing the other side of the story, she could very well hide a lot of her faults she did in the relationship😊
@RavenL1337 and im sorry, but she provided a mountain of proof with screenshots, but you're just going to day "oh nope it could be faked." By that logic the boyfriend definitely is faked as well because he has no proof on his side what so ever
@RavenL1337 also those chat conversations are not fact i ran a test of my own when going through them On my own Facebook, the chat logs look exactly identical to the ones she showed
@@Rain_blackrose_HxA Ignore Raven, dude is some hardcore Froot and Hime simp, wouldn't be surprised if they sent their biggest fanboys here to stir trouble. I rarely see any sort of opposition in Azehara's comment sections.
Saying the other talents didn’t know about the allegations against her is impossible. Not only was the hate against Froot practically impossible to ignore if you were at all connected to her. But Mouse even addressed said antis herself basically telling them that there was no merit to what they were claiming and to stop harassing her friend and everyone associated with her. And this was a good few months before the doc dropped. Meaning the hate against her was STILL going AND that the other talents at least Mouse were well aware and skeptical of them if not rejecting them all together
@@megarotom1590 it is very easy to ignore hate. Sure they probably know that people hate Froot but there might be a big chance that they havent looked into it.
@ If a friend is hit with false accusations or what you believe is false accusations, the instinct is to try to disprove them and protect them from harassment. I find it very unlikely they were unaware of the accusations. They just didn’t believe them to be true (which they largely weren’t btw, both the theory that she betrayed Silver and the theory she cheated on her husband have been as debunked as any accusations of those natures can be)
I think you misunderstand Kson’s actions. She was not forced by management to delete. They asked her to likely bc her post could be interpreted as a condoning to anyone unhinged. She later created a thread explaining her thoughts in more detail. So clearly they weren’t trying to silence her opinion just simply asking her to delete the post that was worded poorly Emphasis on asked If vshojo actually wanted to silence her opinion they wouldn’t let her say that management asked her nor explain her post
For the 2nd Drama, I just don't think Froot deserves this kind of harassment. She might have cheated but that does not mean we can jump into conclusions.
Yeah, the whole Froot situation is all just "he said, she said" situation, we don't know if she actually cheated or not, just taking one person's side as proof but haven't prove their claim or back it up proof and evidence unlike the latter, so anything are just allegedly until we hear the whole story on the case, so a lesson from this is not jump to conclusions no matter if you like the person or not, or hate the person of such tbh, keep your biases from this, so yeah
the whole thing was that there was absolute no NEED for she to post that. the whole "cheating" thing has been known for many years already and most people forgot about it but she decided it was a good idea to revive that topic out of nowhere for no reason at all XD.
No one forgot about it "Ant-Hime" reminded everyone about it a year ago, then a month before the document "Depressed Nousagi" ended up reminding everyone again about the allegations so no she wasn't the one trying remind everyone she was trying to forget about it, what is even more evident is the the document wasn't trying to explain any kind of infidelity, only about her abuse from her ex-lover it just so happened that page 85 explained that ex-"husband" who initiated the breakup, broke up with her a month before she was seeing someone else, so cheating may not have happened.
@0senBlade Yeah, I don't know why people believe the ex husband, it is innocent until proven guilty, it is all allegations at this point until someone goes to court over it, it is MeToo movement 2.0 all over again
@alternative_five I agree, this whole thing was not needed, but she has no choice but to clear her name because people still accusing her or unfaithful because but with no actual evidence only going off person's account that haven't backed with any evidence just accusing of such while the latter had to try to prove otherwise from all the allegations that were thrown at her, it is innocent until proven guilty and she should not try to prove herself as innocent and we should take what said as is, allegations for legal reasons, so read about the story about the boy who cried wolf, we need to learn from that story tbh
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My gripe is always that VShojo management never step in when they should, only when they shouldn't.
@@justacatwithasadface2692 this, fucking this.
Azehara actually has a full model???
I do. My tracking is shit though because it have a god awful camera setup.
This was the exact first thought i had too.
@@AzeharaCh put a good one on your throne
I'll say Froot siding with the people who harassed Silvervale was actually much worse than any allegations.
This 100%, any allegations pale in comparison to this betrayal.
@silverseraphim666 well. From my perspective the allegations are just as bad if true. Bur since they're, still now, allegations, they do lose weight.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo except she didn’t, people took what she said out of context. From what I can tell She actually was defending silvervale and in fact is still friends with her
@@megarotom1590 saying that "people make mistakes" ?
just for playing a game of a series she liked?
though, I'm hopeful that they both cleared up behind the scenes since then
@@megarotom1590Saying “people make mistakes” isn’t defending Silver, as her comment implies there was something wrong with what silver did (playing a video game). Defending Silver would’ve been more like “That’s messed up, people shouldn’t be attacking Silvervale over a video game”
"Restriction is where creativity is born"
@@gnouhp004 true
this give me a funny idea, does that mean North Korea people are the most creative people on earth? XD
ofc jokes aside
since freedom give everyone the chance to be creative, only the BEST among them will shine, and will also create competition,
ofc this is a different idea from a corpo agency, here we are talking about a job and how total freedom has it’s cons & pros, because i do believe Matara and michi feel way more relaxed in this type of work environment, since they did got a taste of corpos being way to overbearing, hell straight up black company type of work enviroment
The whole Hogwarts Legacy debacle is honestly what had me checked out of Froot with how disgusting that was (though i don't actively harass her but just choose instead to not watch any content involving her, which is what most people should do honestly);
and no shade at everyone at V-shojo since not everyone is deliberately controversial, but if one of their members posts something despairing making someone look like the scum of the earth then its poor them with back-pats, if someone comes back to set the record straight over things that happened they get dog piled to protect their friend. You see this in practically every drama that happened with their members.😕
But yeah, its talent freedom until its not and they always do their reigning back behind closed doors and really only to protect certain people it seems.
@@XionSteel there’s some clarification elsewhere, Froot actually said it in an unrelated stream before everything even went down. The idea she backstabbed Silver is a myth perpetuated by people who already disliked her and/or Vshojo then spread by those who didn’t know better.
She is even still on good terms with Silver
Only Kirsche?
NO HINA?
NO MARI?
NO SHONDO?
NO SMUGALANA?
NO ETC...?
MY Dude, you are lacking...
Excuse me, it's Marimari_EN.
@@rinslittlesheepling1652 excuse ME, IT'S MARIMARI UNDERSCORE Ee En
@@Mondoness dont really watch Hina but shes fine. Mari streams a bit late for me. Shondo a bit early. Smug is fine but streams around the same time as the Korsche.
Its a timing issue not a content issue.
@@AzeharaCh PepeSadge.jpeg I sympathize with your plight brother. I shall watch for the both of us.
It’s just funny to me how the Vshojo fanbase moved on when Vshojo didn’t warn people sooner about the fake email scam that got people doxxed and swatted, moved on when the members did PR apologies to Nux and moved on when Froot said “everybody makes mistakes” in her chat when it came to Silver getting harassed…but Froot cheating on her husband was a step too far? I get cheating is terrible but where was all this hate during the first two dramas? If anything, Vshojo should never be trusted again after that email controversy. How many Vtubers got swatted, doxxed and their info taken?
My stance on Froot will always be this:
I don't care that she cheated. I'm not going to date her, so any issue I could have is immediately solved. My issue is that she, her mom, & her company tried to hide it, & they went so far as to abuse RUclips's copyright when doing so. Twice. Something that they've barely addressed.
As for the rest of Vshojo, some of them really need to learn how to stop talking. They've lightly touched on politics, some things they shouldn't be. Some get hate & can't help but sperg out. & The biggest concern is how... clique-y they can feel at times.
Their behavior, I think, partly stems from the fact that Gun Run is a former Twitch employee (literally helped start the company). The other part stems from the niji refugees.
I could just be schizo though.
I mean the clique-y thing was said by Sayu which maybe you think she's just some vindictive bitch who's words can't be trusted, but there's enough actions and words stated from others that makes it fairly probable. Like Silvervale talking about how fake everyone was in the group which happened some amount of time before her leaving as well as after the Hogwarts stuff where Froot threw indirect shade at her, the Nux thing where one of the two sides is in the wrong where someone is betraying their friend's trust, the hiring process where it seems completely open to friends only despite open auditions.
@anthonynguyen1289 Sayu functionally got unpersoned by everyone except indies & small corpos (mainly Phase), & Vshojo will rarely ever risk their brand with someone like that, especially with her humor.
Vshojo just feels like... you're average Twitch streamer. With all of the problems that come with it. But, because it's under the same company label, it's more noticeable.
@@MildlyOCD the copyright takedowns were pretty shit. I agree with you on that.
@@MildlyOCD sayu had unresolved stuff with Matara that was, by Sayu’s own admission, her own fault
@@anthonynguyen1289 sayu also spoke very highly of Vshojo and said that if it was an option for her that it would have been a very nice option just not one that was open to her (partially cause her unresolved stuff with Matara which was a mistake on Sayu’s end by her own admission)
Talent Freedom means the talent can do what they believe will further their branding.
However that Talent Freedom also comes with strings like not destroying the reputation of the company itself.
This has always been the biggest issue with Vshojo, the Nux situation proved they didnt have a good enough manager apparatus to support and defend the talent. Nux oddly worked with Gunrun to uncover the issue and was given the green light to post a video about it. It was his managers who failed along with Legal that put pressure on Gunrun to make Nux take it down. Then those managers railroaded Nux as reprisal.
Froot was always a problem streamer even before Vshojo. She was a e-girl turned vtuber then on top of all of that she was constantly a meangirl towards other smaller vtubers. She lucked out in part due to being friends with Nyanners, Vae and Silver. The following she got (aka her simps) were in part fueled by her face reveal before Vshojo was formed. However people already knew about her cheating allegations, some even got the full story that she was emotionally manipulative towards her ex husband and used his PTSD against him. Then when there was forms of retaliation she played victim. This was her ex-husbands story about Froot. The problem was at the time she was gaining popularity and like any celeb she quietly paid him off.
The problem with payoffs is while it may eventually get the accuser to back down, it doesnt stop independents from keeping up the attack. No one was asking Froot about her past. Its more of Froot started to see people pull away from her because of that Hogwarts behavior. How she acted since then, and that a lot of her Vshojo members actively kept an arms length away from her and collabed with other Vtubers. What she did was to create controversy for relivence...in turn she harmed herself and Vshojo as a brand.
@@grygaming5519 even if all that she did was true, pushing her too far is not any better. We’ve seen in the past that bullying and harassment can lead to loss of life and this goes both ways. If Froot ultimately decides to end her own life, the consequences can be very very fatal the chain of events that follow after would be devastating to a very high degree. If what happened to Luluu Ria was anything to go by, it can happen to her too
Very detailed an informative breakdown of what happened. I'm not that familiar with Froot outside of listening to her song covers. She's got a good metal voice.
That said I can't condone cheating, gaslighting, emotional manipulation, and etc.
That said I don't like seeing people's lives spiral out of control. I hope she gets mental help and turns her life around...
@ the problem here is that if the bullying and harassment against her goes out of control, it can have dire consequences
@@grygaming5519 “nobody was asking Froot about her past” tell me you don’t know what’s going on without saying you don’t know what’s going on
As recent as a few months before the doc, the people harassing Froot and those connected to her were so prevalent Mouse herself addressed it basically saying the allegations were false and that people should stop harassing people over stuff they knew nothing about (may not be exact since I am going off something that happened months ago but the general gist is accurate I can assure you and the clip still exists so very easy to check)
Also Froot and Silver are still friends. The idea Froot intentionally backstabbed Silver is a myth using a statement taken out of context
And I’ll also add that her ex provided no real evidence of cheating running off the moment he was being questioned and Froot was provided a mountain against him so I think Froot’s a bit more believable
Most the allegations against Froot come from AntHime who intentionally cropped stuff to manipulate evidence, fabricated photos of Froot to try to legitimize claims she made, took recordings clipped them and spread them without context, and straight up broke the law
Look I don’t like Froot but the narratives against her are absolutely ridiculous and baseless
@@grygaming5519 there is no evidence they green lit him to post in fact they told him to hold off
Imma be honest I’d much rather more transparency not less. I’d rather Vshojo be open about letting people know when management opposes something. Rather then quietly silence them from behind the curtain like a certain other agency
thank you Azehara for reminding me that Hime Hajime is still a thing and that she didn't get her organs harvested by a cartel
Hold up. Then who's skull am I drinking beer out of?
@@ruikirisame1744 who?
Where the fuck is Mario Hime
Other than their very public histories, it's mainly that we can't even go six months without one of them causing some kind of shitshow.
We can all agree they are consistent in that regard at least.
@@zonkodraw3480 sometimes i wonder if its on purpose.
The only based talent company will always be the one with the fish
kek we talking niji?
@@deadpansanchez2947 No, no. The company that sells coffee.
@@coconuthead98 better be.
Like just please don’t just put your skeletons out there holy shit
Talent Freedom doesn't mean freedom of consequence.
Vshojo talents want to believe they have the same freedoms to do whatever they want like indies but then not have to deal with any of those consequences because they are also technically corporate. . .but as seen here, that is impossible
I know you don't want to talk about the fruut thing, but the motivation was sales. She had a merch drop and wanted to farm sympathy.
@@NanoGamingGamer me when I lie
@@NanoGamingGamer that seems to be a very popular interpretation of what happened. Its a good rrat.
Even without the cheating/abuse scandal, Froot has shown time and again that she's a scumbag. Any sympathy I could have had is nill.
@JudgeNicodemus
All your talking about is to assumptions made about her that have no proof to back them up
The hwl situation never happened she never caused it there is no substantial proof showing otherwise
(That comment was made on her own stream to something completely unrelated)
The cherity well yes it would be nice for follow up on it it's her money to begin with she said she would match the number of likes with her own money
As far as the scandal it's been disproven that she even cheated the dates line up to the fact she didn't
Not to mention she denied it in her original fb post as well
Not to mention she has a medical disability dyslexia read up on it
@@Rain_blackrose_HxA the funny thing with the charity is it’s not like people donated money they liked a post on Twitter like- yah
Also noticeably the charity she initially planned on donating to for caught in controversy so people somehow are both upset she ever planned to donate there likely without knowing and that she chose not to follow through after finding out like ???
I mean I think it’d be good if she donated to another charity and who knows maybe she did and just kept it private or maybe she didn’t but like
People make it sound like she gathered money and kept it rather than the fact she got likes on Twitter
@megarotom1590 yeah she actually was informed by people on twitter and in her own stream of this she made a quote tweet on the original tweet itself saying she would pick a different charity and that she loved and supported her brother and it wasn't a big deal
They ended up picking the most liked replacement cherity as far as I know she never made a tweet about it but she addressed it in a stream from what I gather
@ yah and again if they were donated money I’d demand transparency but like they weren’t so like
@megarotom1590 yeah exactly it was her own money being put up not anyone else's
So by that logic she owes No one a explanation now
She switched cheritys so its all good
Talent freedom's all well and good in theory, but there can be a point where's it's in everyone's best interest to halt a train wreck, or at least worth intervening to minimise the catastrophe.
Phase does they're mission better at this point.
Phase is trying at the very least.
@Syncopia helps that all the talents while unhinged know better when it comes to things you should and shouldn't do as a corporate vtuber.
Phase is run by a guy who is actually good at his job and dizzy who she herself has over 20 years management experience and the fishman actually cares about his talents
@dadcomeback1470 yup best couple ever. Jk
Oh dang.
Azehera is coming for Rev, FalseEyeD, and Khyo's job!
@@melvinmerkelhopper5752 yah not really… they got countless things wrong in something as short as this. The other three aren’t flawless but they definitely have a better track record than this video alone
I don't find this video especially entertaining or enlightening. Low effort and I'm not impressed with any advice you give. But I suspect that isn't really your point in doing this video.
Nah I lost respect for them after the bullshit that happened to Silvervale during the HL debacle. Management should have stepped in and didn’t, she was treated so badly and Froot siding against her just wedged that knife deeper. I still watch Mousey, Michi and Haruka from time to time but not as much as I used to. Just what a terrible way to handle something so serious. Silver is one of my oshi’s bro and hearing her cry hurt my soul.
That action from Froot was a full power super laser blast to my opinion of her.
Froot was never involved in that to begin with
She showed support to silver in a stream The day of and was actively harassed for even associating with silvervale
The everyone makes mistakes comment was days prior in a art stream of froots responding to something completely unrelated to the hwl situation
@@Rain_blackrose_HxA Froot was against Silvy fully and was part of the harassment campaign! Froot is a terrible person and is being protected by VShojo just like Kurosanji is protecting trash like Vox and Elira!
@@Rain_blackrose_HxA that’s because Anthime and others deliberately circulated it after out of context to paint her negatively. And unfortunately people fell for it hook line and sinker
@megarotom1590 sadly yeah
Wait, you're a human? I always thought that clippers were disembodied spirits that can only communicate via editing
😂
@@corpDemon_real correction, im sub-human.
WOW AN ACTUAL AZEHARA VIDEO COOL
bro is a marketing expert, didn't see that coming
@@----x----- calm down i just studied advertising which covers some marketing, im far from an expert
WHERE'S THE MONEY FROOT?! Great video, Azehara. I learned a lot plus it was just entertaining as heck.
It was her money to begin with so none of your damn business that's where it is
I see the problem, they omitted some of the slogan from talent freedom... -until it affects the company's image or bottom line-
no but jokes aside there is a reason guidelines and regulations are placed on employees when operating under their association. Making your whole brand letting your employees do what they want is a problem when the employee start getting into trouble, regardless of whether you as an individual believe xyz controversy was justified or not it causes the company at large reputational damages with someone.
Now, even my personal stance and opinions on Froot aside, right now i think VShojo has more or less ironed out most of the problems. But Froot is the biggest problem, like she's basically a magnet for drama, she just keeps doing that for clout, and it affects other streamers in the company, like with that doc drop. Vshojo would just be way better without Froot. As for the management thing, they should've also stepped in when Froot threw Silvervale, her coworker under the bus essentially and supported hogwarts legacy harassment campaign, instead of stepping in when there was zero need for them to do so. The whole Nux thing could've been handled better but, eh, in that case both sides acted like fools. The only other problem i can think of is streaming exclusively on twitch, i mean why not use restream? Doesn't take much effort and nets more viewers, and if memory serves me right twitch removed the no-multistreaming rule.
14:19 Oh, old Pochi model, been ages since i last seen it, glad someone still remembers her.
@@DiabolicCrusher very fair take and I agree that they should restream.
The nux thing really rubbed me the wrong way. It would have been so simple to put out a statement "VShojo will only contact you via [insert method]" but they sat on it. Then when an outside party put out the warning, they declared war. That completely stripped the illusion that those girls cared about anyone other than themselves.
@@CaseAtRest Nux deserved it in hindsight
You can think whatever from Nux, but Vshojo girls commited a serious mistake there, Zen and some others apologized, but they indeed committed mistakes
@JAWsInfinity i think that nux is a awful person and how he handle the taiga situation and leeching off vtuber drama that has nothing to do with him. I think vshojo is in the wrong In this situation they allow him to cover the situation and praise him for covering it but immediately change their minds for unknown reasons and backstabbing him for covering a situation that he was allowed to cover
@@I_hate_4thofJuly.39 same i also don't like nux, but in this case vshojo was in the wrong i feel
@@JAWsInfinity”This dude later stole from a bank, so he deserved the false rape accusations against him.”
This is what your comment sounds like.
5:07 Everytime I see this pisses me off.
Especially because the justification is, its for there talent "safety" like what the hell.
The whole issue was that there was someone impersonating Vshojo and recruiting "NEW" members and obtaining information about them.
If you saw the video Nux posted, "HE" was a targeted victim. Which is why he made a video exposing the impersonator with the help Muta. Which has been going on for months.
1st. So riddle me this how the fuck do you fear for your "safety" when the impersonator is going after indie Vtubers and not those that are already apart of Vshojo. On top of already knowing this is going on since early spring 2021. Nux video and fiscal happen in November.
2nd. Vshojo is terrible company and the way it ran or structure. If this would have been 1 time incident with Nux and moved forward it would have been fine. But then you see talent leaving and members doing controversial things.
Which also irritates me when Ironmouse says "yeah i dont know why they dont like us" (paraphrase but you get the point)
Geez I wonder why.
@@superplusextra9634 i believe that the person doing the scam was threatening to release doxing information. Most of which I assume is readily available online. That or he had previously scammed one of the talents and possibly had additional information. That said, knowing about a scammer for 8 months and not doing anything about it until others got scammed was absurd and should have never happened. A simple PR announcement saying "we wont ask for your personal information" was all it would take
I started watching Vtubers a little before the Hogwarts drama, so my first impression of VShojo was negative and has only cratered since then.
I find it strange they step in when someone says something slightly critical of their main clique, but not when the same handful acts like drama stirring mean girls.
Agreed. I fell out of Vshojo myself a long time ago.
Used to watch alot of zens content and enjoyed it.
But then i found out about the numerous Political and Hypocritical comments made by the members and has since left a sour taste in my mouth😶
Oh! And cool model btw.
I gotta say, I mostly just watch Henya, Matara and Michi from vShojo though I think Mouse is an excellent content creator.
Fair. I also like Zen because her and her chat together are a hilarious comedic duo. That said I primarily know her content through clippers, rather than watching streams.
@dragoonmk4203 I'm a late arriver heh
Think my first vtuber experience was the Pippa Walmart clip and then Miko GTA clips
I didn't realise Azehara started doing actual videos, I approb, very based on Streams and X.
@@HassanSabbaku im not trying to get into the commentary space nor do I expect this to be a common thing but every so often i wouldnt mind talking about a topic or two.
Thank you for being on point with the point of your video.
I'm noticing people trying to fact check but they miss the point of it. You focused on how the events affected the brand reputation, not who's good or bad in the events.
@@nobafan7515 i like Vshojo being part of the corpo vtuber world because they offer a good package to join (despite being a bit of a nepo-hire corpo). That said there are a few things that each year pops up that I dislike.
My man Azehara going from based clipper to chatter to VTweeter and planing to go full VTuber? A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
For these videos where it’s you yapping, remember to differentiate them from the other clips by putting something like your own model in the thumbnail.
It might help people who are more interested in this type of content.
Good stuff, Azehara!
@@jackieChannel. Good idea
It was really funny to see Kson walk back a bit and admit that she didn't actually read the whole-ass fruit document.
You gotta be kidding me
@@captainskippy4560 yeap she did lol, she is pon at times. But she was correct in her statements, management making her delete the tweets showed a very clear bias with froot. The issue is, Kson is FAR bigger than Froot and very likely the anchor for the JP side. If she goes all JP will probably follow her because Vshojo jp rellies mainly on Kson
@@大-g4b5 most people didn’t, it’s 90 pages, though those who have, especially people in the military, have been supporting of Froot
And you don’t need to read more than the first couple to know that what happened to her was horrible
@@大-g4b5 i didnt like that. Seems like a fairly standard comment showing support and she got fucked over for no real reason.
The model finally finished? Am I just out of the loop or is this the first time we're seeing it in action? Looking forward to the debut in January!
Voiced Azehara YES.
I feel bad about the one who owned that body, hope they find justice.
Azehara has a Vtuber model? 😂 I am definitely not in the loop because never saw this before.
It just a dream 🤣😂🤣
@@FreinHowe shhh this is just a fever dream
woah u actually have a vtuber model. i thought u were a pre-debut for years
5:44 This was me. I only watched Vshojo passively on RUclips, but after almost all of them exposed themselves as toxic vile individuals in that situation, I unsubbed from them and refuse to this day to watch them (even the new members that I actually respect 😢). But Nux got horrid later so I unsubbed and stopped watching his content too. (So I guess it balances out? 🤷♂️)
This was me, except I actually had watched a lot of Ironmouse and Zen before Vshojo. Back during the Among Us hype of 2020, I was a Momo fan and almost all of what became Vshojo streamed their first Among Us game with Momo and I started watching them shortly after.
And don’t get me started with Nux, I watched him so much then he changed shortly after the Vshojo incident.
@ Yeah, Zen is one of the old members that I still respect. Ironmouse I’m kind of “ehh…” because I found her deflections and “It was never about the phishing” to be rather tasteless and ignorant, but since that’s all it’s hard to have animosity towards a person with a terminal (might not be the right word, but basically an unavoidable inhibitor to her daily life) illness who has worked so hard to reach her accomplishments.
HE HAS PROCURED A VIRTUAL FORM
Yo nice model man, congrats. glad you are trying on this new content.
welp guess we have to wait you back till january then
Okay, having only relative freedom instead of pure freedom? Fine. But I'd haaaate to have my social media account used to berate someone; it has the same energy as a certain other company's members' then-Twitter accounts being used to tell people to watch this one stream (you know, the "black stream").
8:11 AYO GabeN! Dropping truth bombs on his oshi; aw shit.
(I don't think its the real GabeN guys...)
Talent freedom is fine but it's not like they have zero rules currently otherwise they wouldn't even have contracts, right? They already give up some freedoms as an indie for joining so I don't think ascribing 'absolute' to their talent freedom branding is very fair. They should focus on having more of a handle on talents posting sensitive or drama related content just from a PR perspective.
@@ravesage i think if they are going to go with the talent freedom route they should explains what that means. Realistically there is not full freedom but letting people know the boundaries help
I just notice this issues are starting popping off just about time when they finally about to debut the new jp Gen.
yes i would like to see Vshojo take this as a learning process to change how they impose their rules and policy its just that people would take this too far and harass the newly debuts just like what they've done to the new hololive dev members threatening them that they should graduate soon
@@kagin1235 i was going to release the video about a month ago and it was going to be centered around Froot's document. I recorded it and it came off extremely mean spirited and hateful. Scrapped it and re-wrote the script about 3 weeks ago to focus on the company.
@@AzeharaCh fair point but still people can take this too far and start a witch hunt even the innocent will not be spared. a few days ago in one of clips of henya showing the trailer of their new jp gen i reported one comment that straight up out of nowhere called Vshojo a black company and said that they should'nt have debuted in this company. so i assumed that these are just the nijisisters larping and sabotaging both Vshojo and Hololive. sure what a coincidence that all of this drama is happening at the same time.
But i'm surprised at this time the company with the least drama is Phase connect and Brave group which they don't wanna even bother to talk about because they'er just a bunch of small corpos that became affiliates
Honestly, good vid. You give some very fair points of criticism that vshojo should hear. This isn’t a hate video, it’s a video about how they can be better in the future. Was informative and entertaining for some one who isn’t really into the vtuber scene. If somehow people are angry at this, they shouldn’t. Constructive criticism is how you better yourself. If you believe you are perfect and above criticism, you set yourself up for failure.
I mean they already completely failed at grasping what happened with Nux, so my trust in that is low. Rima has a much better video explaining the incident and it was mostly on Nux
This is more a response to the comments rather than the video itself;
I don't get many of these takes, non-arguments, and absurd caping being performed by a continuous handful that just makes no sense. At some point, unless you willingly remove your centers for logic and reason, the preponderance of existing evidence, be it anecdotal/factual/empirical, is enough to make a proper judgment of something.
Vshojo has a habit of shooting themselves in the foot for no reason. Froot has a contentious online history, and regardless if you believe some of it is incorrect or falsified, the reality is that she is constantly the epicenter of all these issues. If you want to patron her or her company, do you, but being surprised that people don't agree or abide and want to stop hearing about it, and running defense around it for someone who doesn't even know of your existence is inarguably some amount of pathetic.
Also, just to address some things directly: two people following each other on Twitter doesn't make them friends, and a known pot-stirrer saying they're still friends with an ex-coworker with no provided evidence is hysterical hearsay bordering on gaslighting.
Cool to see the new model and new content style.
@@aerosyne agreed. I do enjoy people getting mad about Y when video is about X.
Look, idk Froot. I’ve only seen clips. But, like all drama, I think this is all either exaggerated or an overreaction.
I’m not dismissing legitimate criticisms, just saying usually it’s not worth getting upset over.
Let alone to the extent people take it. Attacking people for so much as suggesting they were sympathetic towards Froot over the cheating allegations. The slightest dissenting opinion on that specifically brought so much hate. A blind hate. And I don’t see that level of hate being necessary, even if the allegations were true. It’s not worth getting that upset over.
Heck, I expect this comment to get a lot of hate if it gets traction and/or doesn’t get eaten by RUclips.
I also think truth matters and if lies are being spread they need to be weeded out. Or else any legitimate criticisms may come to be dismissed because of the lies. And this applies to anything not just Froot and VShojo.
i thought the thumbnail was the vtuber you were gonna talk about. i didn't realise it was YOUR vtuber
Was the thumbnail changed? Because for me it has Froot on the left and Kson on the right.
@@JamesP7 it was changed yeah. it had his vtuber model on it first
@@tonypringles2285 Thought so. Or it could’ve been that thing where there are multiple possible thumbnails that could be seen.
@@JamesP7 can you do that?
@@tonypringles2285 I didn’t kbow it was possible until MorePegasus explained why he chose to keep using his thumbnail style for the MrBeast saga.
talent freedom, no/low standards
There's no standards in vshojo though, because you can only get in via nepotism after all
1:34 wasnt it that the company gave him permission but the talents personally didnt want it
all them freaking out would do is bring more attention to the scam so i dont get the logic
And if I got the jnfo right, standard procedure is to not make a public statement since that would mean bringing attention to the fact that the feds were onto the scammers.
@@Jamie-rr1mt from what I remember the spergout came from Nyaners. Up until that point, Melody and mouse seemed fine with it.
@AzeharaCh lmao ofc
not everything is perfect.
Debut?
He said January 2025
@Kurai_69420 250th... A trve patriot
I think VShojo needs to change its mission, because it isn't feasible. The company needs to intervene from time to time. Censoring the talents, especially the ones with bad PR sense, protects them.
didnt expect to hear *you*. Nice vid Azehara
Ngl you got a hot voice. We need you to concoct an ASMR clip for kirsche.
Unlimited freedom for a vtuber company is just like communism. On paper it looks great but with human action ehhh not so much.
There's no defending froot she clearly loves the attention since she sides with her own haters
Love the new model! Love the evolution! Nice to hear your voice! 🎉
I'm Glad, That No one Went After PK during this. I can't imagine dealing With the Ramifications ((Subsequently being made Public Number #1)) from Froots BPD Episode alongside loosing his home in Carolina here.
I didnt know you had a vtuber model :o cute!
Freedom doesn't warrant irrational and irresponsible behavior and actions.
Froot doesn't get that, and neither does Gunrun.
This is why Hololive maintains a professional image by setting down fair ground rules while at the same time give them talent freedom to do what they want to entertain their audience.
You know you f-cked up when a well known figure like Gabe Newell called you out on your baloney.
It's a parody account that pretend to be Gabe, it's not actually him lol
@@diligentone-six2688 who gets to decide what behavior is irresponsible? Plenty of people say that Froot was completely in the right to post the document as it gave her side. Here’s the funny thing, until you give your side people will claim you’re admitting guilt and then the moment you do, they claim you only caused more problems by doing so.
That's the thing. If they want to act as a company, they must be professional.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo the definition of that is subjective and Vshojo very clearly doesn’t want to be like other companies, it would have never gotten where it was copying what everyone else did
There are pros and cons to both… but for those in Vshojo clearly the pros are higher
@@megarotom1590 let me put it this way. Professionalism includes not alienating your audience (they've done so, mostly Froot), and not doing things for that make you look bad individually (Froot again).
You can put your talents in a frame without feeling the need to suffocate them, cutting them loose and letting them do whatever they want on their MAIN accounts is not the only way to go. Idk why Vshojo insists on doing what they are doing... and worst of all - I do not know why and how they stay afloat other than following trends.
Vshojo is more of a very loosely-defined Twitch Stream Team than an agency because Vshojo talents do NOT:
- Collab with each other as often as they collab with completely unrelated people;
- Have a schedule they are expected to adhere to, not even a little bit (I mean shit, look at Hime Hajime, she just streams whenever she wants, can take a year and half break from vtubing without a reason while still actively posting shit on twitter);
- Have any sort of deadline for anything they make;
- Have any rules or guidelines that limit what they can say and how on their channels and accounts (again, look at Hime Hajime - she mouthed off about irl politics on her Twitter like it was no problem; this would end up with a contract termination if it was Hololive; and also look at Froot, of course);
There is more but these are the things that peeve me the most.
thous matter jack bro, got really bend out of shape for just one person, so fucking what that she bearly streams? ain’t none of your god damn buissniess, also the majority have a schedule ??? you only brought hime as if every one does the same as her? also what deadline do you bloody need? they have no contractual obligation TO YOU
@@RavenL1337 Hime won't notice, bro, plus she is already taken. I am sorry for your illiteracy btw.
Well let’s be honest in case of Hime for her Vtubing was just a fun way to engage with trendy thing. I’m pretty sure she’s more popular in her irl persona anyway same as with that devil guy whose name I forgot the one from ironmouse lore.
@@mrksimka1159 I mean true, but her being in Vshojo at all is proof enough that Vshojo is not a professional agency at all.
@@Misanthropolis I will not argue with that part.
YOU WON'T DO IT
Never thought id here your voice
12:24 What is Haripotas? Oh.
Harry Potter
Whos this lost child with a deep voice? 😅
Aw. He don't have femboy voice.
And now im 10 bucks shorter.
Oh shoot i didn't know you had a model! Thanks for the info, didn't know about Vshojo's history before the Kettle joined. Always enjoy seeing you in chat.
Oh, what the heck? You went from clipper to having a vtuber model? And you're doing Armcha1r style content?
Froot is crungo. The only real bad part about Vshojo other than everyone just abandoning SilverVale over a game.
Vshojo's talent acquisition team is excellent, but their management team is completely incompetent
Still better than niji
The venn diagram between those two groups is very likely to be a circle.
@@psy_p if so then they need to higher people more competent at management
@@conspiracyspider sure, but that's not exactly a high bar
@@conspiracyspider Doesn't take much to be better than niji
nice indeep info man, keep up the good work
I think this video is very well intentioned but I think you didn’t do enough research though I will say that it at least points out Vshojo needs more clarity with their explanations so that way there is no room for misunderstanding
I agree on this. But perhaps I'm also questioning his intent with this video. But that is only me.
@ I have noticed past clips from this creator have been Very critical of Vshojo. Whether that’s an honest attempt of criticism or thinly veiled dislike… I couldn’t tell you
I yhink Vshojo expect you to have a lot of self-discipline.
What’s the anime in the background?
Vshojo's own trailer
get em get em
I hope you're not actually apart of the rainbow club and that was a joke..
He put Kyo when stating "half black" like bro, he's not serious
Tbh, there are gay people who are against the rainbow club. There's nuance to it.
@@cheeseman1769 what you mean, Kyo is the blackest vtuber?
What's the "rainbow club"??
@@Dreamcatcher_2001Means the same as the Rainbow Mafia I presume.
Wait is this the Azehara ?
Lets fricking go!
homie speaks spanish?
Wait, you’re black ?
@@erikjimenez8671 according to youtube, yes.
@@AzeharaChWe can only go off what we see, so for now, you’re a femboy 🫵
Wow, first time hearing your voice
Remember when people made a shit list of people who supported her? Like the people who made a list of streamers who played the wizard game? Horseshoe theory is real.
It's less of a horseshoe theory but more of a characteristic of the twitter brainrot. Not to mention that most of those "people" don't have any ideals, they just love the slacktivism aspect of getting mad and acting like a subhuman without any responsibility.
In part, it's taken from east-asian netizens, in part, from tumblr, but the result is simple: the bunch of infantile no-livers that weren't bullied enough, and, therefore, would gladly do the most evil and disgraceful shit, just to tickle their fun centers in their brains.
Justified it the that case
@ Yes it’s only justified if it’s something you agree with. We know, sport.
@@JAWsInfinity Good is not bad
oh shit
I'll just cut to the chase and call you gay.
Yeah no joke it’s easier. A little inaccurate but easier 😂
What react contents does to mfs 😢
From what I understand Nux went nuclear against the scammer at the same time that management was working behind the scenes to do things in the proper order with regards to legal proceedings etc. Management was fearing a massive lawsuit if it could be shown that he was acting on behalf of anyone in Vshojo. Considering how much Nux had been talking to various talents, and they had probably told him to not do anything, he was the one who ruined everything. You don't understand how utterly screwed the company could have gotten from his actions, and because he's a moron who will scream any secret out loud, they couldn't risk telling him in secret on a video call that they have to distance themselves due to legal stuff, and he was too dumb to figure it out himself. The statement they did was a bit overkill, I'll say that, since they're accusing him of malicious doxxing when really it's more like revealing a scammer to the world, but they can't afford to give an inch of credibility to any theory that Nux and Vshojo were in cahoots.
Remember, it's not about who's right, it's about who is within the law. And defamation/doxxing lawsuits can get nasty if you're unlucky with the jurisdiction. Think of it this way: Nux was playing with matches in the powderkeg storage room. Vshojo management slapped him hard, and he ran away crying and portrayed himself as if he wasn't doing anything dangerous.
Btw, I don't really like Vshojo that much myself, how they treated Silvervale was atrocious, but the nux situation isn't what you portrayed it as. If you can't see this, then you can't see 90% of the reason corpo is the way it is, and you also won't see it coming when one day you've stepped over a boundary and find yourself at the end of massive lawfare.
oh, and Froot is a total trash person, and the whole "comraderie" they have between them comes off as ultra fake so often. They're way too often being shown to be total vapid virtue signallers who'd sell their parents if it got them clout. You don't get to talk about mental health and how important it is to stand by your friends when one of your colleagues organized a hate mob against another of your colleagues over a game, a franchise game that didn't even involve the person who supposedly was the devil herself. The only ones who acted correctly in the wizard game situation were Phase Connect. Tenma's legendary tweet and Pippa playing the game even though she hates Harry Potter, just because she hated the twitter mob more.
I realize I didn't write it unambiguously: management would be afraid that the scammer could sue Vshojo, after Nux doxxed him. This would happen because Nux had been in so much contact with Vshojo and their talents regarding this matter, and Nux going nuclear could have been an underhanded and ILLEGAL way of dealing with the scammer, orchestrated by Vshojo or one of the talents that Nux talked to. If such a connection was shown, Vshojo could be in deep doodoo, even though the dude was a scammer. As such, they needed to distance themselves absolutely from Nux until it all died down with a strong enough signal that it could not be mistaken that Nux went rogue.
You’re blaming the person who exposed the scam, rather than the actual scammer or the company that wasn’t doing anything to protect their signed talent?
Holy deflection Batman!
@@halo2dDidn't Vshojo have talks with law enforcement at the time? And they were told to keep quiet about it so they can catch the perpetrator and not erase their tracks? Not to mention while all of this was going on the company contacted the two persons who were doxxed to keep them safe. Nux was only in it to paint himself as a savior of the people.
Really people think that "everyone" hates fruit ?
@@piotrjeske4599 vast majority are indifferent to her. But this stunt ended up with some people that hate her, exposing why and people who had no reason who she was ended up with a negative perception of her.
@AzeharaCh But that wasn't the point of the video? Why feed them?
Good video with some good points on management. However i do recommend looking into the Froot allegations more cause a lot of it turned out to be a bunch of bullshit. I did two videos on it recently after an extensive investigation. It was kind of an insane rabbit hole. Also the way the vtuber community reacted to this controversy was embarrassingly shit. Most people just blindly believed what was said on 4chan and twitter with no evidence or just straight up lies. I do admit Froot handled the situation very poorly though. She kinda just stuck her head in the sand and let management try to suppress the people slandering her. You may disagree but I think Froot should have released the doc much sooner and went more in-depth on her side of things instead of ignoring it cause the longer it goes on the longer the false allegations fester and more people hate her.
Also although Depressed Nousagi's video on Froot was good at the time he has admitted with the new info that has came out that the video has become very much outdated and plans to do a follow up. So doing a plug for it now without a disclaimer is kinda disingenuous but i understand. It is the most concise video out there on the topic right now and a lot of it still holds up so not a big deal. Oh and Turkey Tom was investigating this too. I don't know for sure if he's making a main channel video on it though, but i hope so cause this drama got really degenerate lmaooooo
I agree
Considering all the allegations against her have been disproven or evidence adding to the fact none of it even happened as well
@@Rain_blackrose_HxAyeah nop still don’t believe her because this is easy to fake, chat and conversations, also this is not the first time some one made allegations of abuse without knowing the other side of the story, she could very well hide a lot of her faults she did in the relationship😊
@RavenL1337 and im sorry, but she provided a mountain of proof with screenshots, but you're just going to day "oh nope it could be faked."
By that logic the boyfriend definitely is faked as well because he has no proof on his side what so ever
@RavenL1337 also those chat conversations are not fact i ran a test of my own when going through them
On my own Facebook, the chat logs look exactly identical to the ones she showed
@@Rain_blackrose_HxA Ignore Raven, dude is some hardcore Froot and Hime simp, wouldn't be surprised if they sent their biggest fanboys here to stir trouble. I rarely see any sort of opposition in Azehara's comment sections.
Great video. It's very informative. I was not familiar with VShojo.
Saying the other talents didn’t know about the allegations against her is impossible. Not only was the hate against Froot practically impossible to ignore if you were at all connected to her. But Mouse even addressed said antis herself basically telling them that there was no merit to what they were claiming and to stop harassing her friend and everyone associated with her. And this was a good few months before the doc dropped. Meaning the hate against her was STILL going AND that the other talents at least Mouse were well aware and skeptical of them if not rejecting them all together
@@megarotom1590 it is very easy to ignore hate. Sure they probably know that people hate Froot but there might be a big chance that they havent looked into it.
@ If a friend is hit with false accusations or what you believe is false accusations, the instinct is to try to disprove them and protect them from harassment.
I find it very unlikely they were unaware of the accusations. They just didn’t believe them to be true (which they largely weren’t btw, both the theory that she betrayed Silver and the theory she cheated on her husband have been as debunked as any accusations of those natures can be)
Everyone dunking on you proved what matara said pre vtubing right that she could get channers to defend her to the end once she got the model lol
Cute model :O femboy? :OOOO
I think you misunderstand Kson’s actions. She was not forced by management to delete. They asked her to likely bc her post could be interpreted as a condoning to anyone unhinged. She later created a thread explaining her thoughts in more detail. So clearly they weren’t trying to silence her opinion just simply asking her to delete the post that was worded poorly
Emphasis on asked
If vshojo actually wanted to silence her opinion they wouldn’t let her say that management asked her nor explain her post
Dont know much. But Nux did nothing wrong.
except for that taiga drama tho
Nux has done a lot of wrongs I can tell you that...
@@danielbriones2938 but in the context of this video, he didn't.
For the 2nd Drama, I just don't think Froot deserves this kind of harassment. She might have cheated but that does not mean we can jump into conclusions.
Yeah, the whole Froot situation is all just "he said, she said" situation, we don't know if she actually cheated or not, just taking one person's side as proof but haven't prove their claim or back it up proof and evidence unlike the latter, so anything are just allegedly until we hear the whole story on the case, so a lesson from this is not jump to conclusions no matter if you like the person or not, or hate the person of such tbh, keep your biases from this, so yeah
the whole thing was that there was absolute no NEED for she to post that. the whole "cheating" thing has been known for many years already and most people forgot about it but she decided it was a good idea to revive that topic out of nowhere for no reason at all XD.
No one forgot about it "Ant-Hime" reminded everyone about it a year ago, then a month before the document "Depressed Nousagi" ended up reminding everyone again about the allegations so no she wasn't the one trying remind everyone she was trying to forget about it, what is even more evident is the the document wasn't trying to explain any kind of infidelity, only about her abuse from her ex-lover it just so happened that page 85 explained that ex-"husband" who initiated the breakup, broke up with her a month before she was seeing someone else, so cheating may not have happened.
@0senBlade Yeah, I don't know why people believe the ex husband, it is innocent until proven guilty, it is all allegations at this point until someone goes to court over it, it is MeToo movement 2.0 all over again
@alternative_five I agree, this whole thing was not needed, but she has no choice but to clear her name because people still accusing her or unfaithful because but with no actual evidence only going off person's account that haven't backed with any evidence just accusing of such while the latter had to try to prove otherwise from all the allegations that were thrown at her, it is innocent until proven guilty and she should not try to prove herself as innocent and we should take what said as is, allegations for legal reasons, so read about the story about the boy who cried wolf, we need to learn from that story tbh