Don't grade another Comic until you watch this video. CGC AND GRADING COMICS
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- The only way grading companies can survive is if the community trusts that grading company. Is there a company out there that can be trusted? I don't think so. prove me wrong.
"To make this business last a very long time, we need to make readers. Not speculators." 100%.
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That's the best and most accurate quote I've ever heard. "When there's money to be made there's gonna be fuckery about " someone should encapsulate this quote
LOL thank you
@@HavenForHeroes autographs-too......stick*rs-is-no-guarant**-its-r*al
Right! I'm gonna write that down!😊
First time watching you sir. Ive been collecting off and on 50 years. Recently had a comic graded for first time. Dont believe i will be doing it again
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I'm an OG myself and my comic jones led to to buy multiples of just about every book I have. I remember buying off the spinning comic rack at the Myrtle and Broadway stop of the J elevated train in Brooklyn when I was a kid in the 1960's. My childhood letter to the editor can be found in ASM #50, left page, bottom left. Stan called me Joey!
While CGC started around 2000, I had not slabbed any of my books until last year. I wanted to protect and preserve some of my best books and that's what I did. I have only 44 slabbed books and they all have duplicates, triplicates, etc. For me it was never about money.
Today, there is a spec market that has been insane since the boom during the pandemic. Now prices are being corrected as the market finds it's level and spec sellers are taking a bath much to my amusement. When I look at the plethora of new books that are nothing more than cover art by relatively unknow artists, I wonder how they became worth anything to begin with as there is no rarity to them. Back in the day Mothers across America would throw out dog eared comics. I also wondered if anyone was still actually reading these books. Still, the hobby continues and that is a good thing.
The missing thing for me with new books is the aroma (the smell!) that Silver age books take on due to the materials used and the age that is upon them. I say, to each their own as long as the hobby is robust. Lastly, I say Make Mine Marvel...uh, Silver age, that is. Best to all.
Brother we are cut from the same cloth thank you for watching.
I live close to that stop. Cools story.
stop on by
@@ChristopherSmithNYC - i started collecting in 1978 and it was the SMELL of those books that kept me coming back. My first issue was a Hulk 151 still on the rack after some 5 years which i got in 1978 at 20 cents while the others were at 35 cents. It is that smell that brings me back to a past that i dearly miss which is why i have also been reluctant like you to slab my books. I will buy slabbed books but have never submitted any for slabbing Other than a PGX Monster of Frankenstein #2 in 9.8 that i absolutely knew was a 9.8.
I love Olive Garden hood food you do make point
100% FACTS. CGC is one of the worst things that entered the hobby. To the point they are trying to decide which book is a first appearance, etc. But these new jack guys today still gonna do what they do. They live and die by CGC
Yes Sir. 100%
I also remember the day before cgc when people got scammed by dealers selling restored books. Just ask Nick Cage.
It's important to build trust in a business and it's also very difficult.
Yeah hard to trust. I always ask questions at the LCS and the answer changes when I have something he wants. Can’t seem to get straight answers. They’re at a point where it’s all about paying that expensive overhead.
Cgc solves the trust issue 🤷🏻♂️ that’s what it seems like to me
@@thousandaireradio3199Only they can't be trusted...
@@thousandaireradio3199bingo, no guessing at the condition or the authenticity...pretty sure they provide serial numbers as well...
1st off thank you for your honest perspective as a shop owner and not being scared of speaking the truth, many will dislike what you say, but I, for one, respect you 💯 for saying it how it is. You are extremely correct with the artificial pricing of comics and grading companies creating it. It's a great video, thanks again
Thanks Thoro have always respected your channel and all you bring to comics.
The ones who dont like hearing this are the ones who got duped! HA! Comics should never reside in a tomb.
Sorry but pricing of graded stuff on the market is decided entirely by the market not the grading companies. They use it to sell their services but all the BS surrounding third party grading is all on collectors. Even collectors that should know better feed the beast. It's mostly about money and recognition and not about the content of the books.
Agreed
Oh god, the thoro guy 🙄🤣. This guy is such a fucking anti CGC trolling tool.
Finally someone said what I've always believed. CGC is a scam, and their prices are ridiculous. Ive been a collertor/reader since 1978 and the whole idea is to have, hold, and be able to read the book not stare at it in a case. Well said.
Thank you very much for sharing your comic journey. And joining our conversation. Welcome to the community.
you’re a grown man. You don’t need to be reading stories written for children in the 1950s
and how many times do you reread the same children’s stories lol strange
Just read the digital version
Cgc is definitely good for the business when it comes to Golden Age comics and some silver age especially if you're worried about restoration, expensive gold and silver age books and before grading comics you were at the discretion of all sellers of what condition is it considered near mint mint very good very fine and so on so then cgc is healthy for the the comic collecting Community but yeah grading all these new books that are 5 years old and to get a 9.8 is ridiculous but the hate I see that you say about cgc and all grading companies is way overboard as I see many sellers way over grade dare books back in the day I've been collecting for almost 40 years myself and would take advantage of collectors that weren't we're not experts at grading and trusting it's better to have a third party to verify the grade especially if you're ordering through the mail when I saw back in 2000 this service offered I was like this is awesome now I don't have to worry if I want to hear my book and I buy from some seller a raw copy and it's not near mint so yeah there's a place for cgc they're not the gods of comics but they do have a place just like raw copies have a place in the community
Some good points and I've had a lot of pushback. I'm going to make a follow-up video explaining some more of what I'm looking for from a grading company
Great thing about grading is it only cost around 30 dollars to have the trust of the market, extra protection and the ability to insure your investments. I do agree that grading books that are worth less than a certain amount . If you do have your books graded you can always buy a reader copy or crack it and regrade in the future. More options are better than less.
Good points
You may be honest, but I have met many unscrupulous shop owners.
Shop owners and greeting companies. You have to vet them yourself.
Aloha sir! First off this is a great video! I get it, if your only in the hobby to make money, chase 9.8 grades, appreciate covers only, and conserve but never read the books then grade it. I myself never liked slabs and never will. I keep all my books raw and for me reading, appreciating the art and story is priceless. Nothing like the pure nostalgia of old school raw books.
100% agree. You grade a comic and you are just turning it into an oversized trading card.
I love that analogy.
Stop grading and slabbing...this is a bullshit fad! Ruining the hobby!
Exactly what I'm saying thank you
Totally agree. Don’t get the comics graded. It’s a scam and we can agree between buyers and sellers a fair price.
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I bought tons of comics in the 80s, I was addicted to the stories. I sold 98% of my old comics like an idiot when I was young. I can't afford to buy every single issue I want, so now I buy the omnibus of my favorite series or character. I miss the old ads, but I love the old stories. Graded comics are useless to me. Great video!
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If not an Omnibus, Marvel's Epic Collection is a great project, too.
I wish I had money to get the entire Epic library to complement my old single-issue collection.
ABSOLUTELY outstanding video. I owned a comic store in the 1990's and 2000's. I ran my shop and priced books just about the same way you describe you run yours. I did a tremendous business overall with Very satisfied customers. I can remember when just the IDEA of a grading service was proposed. It was a letter in an Overstreet update back in the 90's indicating how great it would be to have a Grading Service. I still remember this because I thought "This is NOT a good idea". My reputation was based on how accurate my grading and pricing was.... NOT on how some company graded my books. Also I could foresee how once Big Money was involved there would be...like in Any business...corruption and scammers. I REALLY loved the business while I was in it, but now I'm almost glad to be out of it. Best of luck to you, my Friend......
Thank you sir for taking the time to let us know your story.
That oil in the case that you were talking about sounds more like newton rings
Thank you
The only point that I will agree with you on is the conflict of interest with CGC having an in house pressing and cleaning service, I have never thought that was a good look. I will disagree on everything else. I am old enough to have been collecting before CGC was around and remember the wild wild west that the comic collecting hobby was. There was (and still is) many comic book dealers that like to oversell their books and give you a condition of books based on what they think it is. No matter what having a disinterested third party is always a plus. Are grading companies perfect, no, do they still have room to improve their services and slabs, yes. But the collecting hobby as a whole is better off today that it used to be. However, you are totally on point about all the people that are sending in the most random books without even doing a basic inspection of it to determine if it will even be worth it to send it to get graded. But that's not on CGC that is on us as the consumer to make those determinations.
Thank you for your honest input.
CGC is not a disinterested 3rd party. They are very interested in continue to propagate the market with their product. The latest Heritage auction with clearly over-graded Silver/Gold keys is a prime example.
Need more people speaking the truth like this than the dozens of tedious CGC unboxing videos.
Thank you
Unfortunately, I believe there’s a lot of favoritism occurring at CGC, there are an underhanded company the way they do a business and recently they were exposed and that’s the first layer of deception. I’m sure there’s multiple layers over there. They need to be unraveled.
I 100% agree with you if there are a lot of layers. Thanks for sharing your opinion and joining the conversation. Welcome to the community.
@@HavenForHeroes sam*-thing-with-B*ck*tt.....no-auth*nticity-control-cuz-larg*-cli*nts&lots-faux-autographs-c*rt*d-as-r*al.....its-all-about-$$$
I very much prefer display cases that companies like Comic Capsule or Gator Guard make. You can store the book in the 'slab' for display/protection, but you can always open it and read the book. Plus, they're much cheaper.
That's a great option. Thank you
I'm going to try Comic Capsule for my favourite old books. Slabs are a waste of money, & we can't even see the interior art; which is ridiculous if you think logically about why we are collecting in the 1st place. It's all just become about making money now. &, "investing".
@jEDi_BUddhA_YOGi I have two Comic Capsules, and they're fantastic! I don't think you'll be disappointed.
@@dougbotkin8553 thx, friend
@@jEdi_bUddhA_YOGicomic capsules are awesome, you won’t be disappointed!
Absolute wisdom - comics are for reading and enjoying. The art and the stories are the beating heart of the actual reading community! Speculation is for money markets.
I agree with your assessment of the graded comics market. I’ve been collecting since the mid 1970’s, mostly silver and bronze age. I have my books bagged, boarded and stored in collector boxes. About a year ago, I decided to do a ‘test’ slab on one of my newer books, Batman 428. I bought the book new when it originally came out in 1988, bagged and boarded it. I sent it in to CGC for grading, I believe that the fee was about $40 total. (that included shipping) I got it back several weeks later, they graded it at 8.5, no explanation as to why it received this grade. I was surprised to get an 8.5 on a book that has been stored since new. About a month later, I decided to sell it and got $36 for it. The bottom line is the most important part of having a book that is not slabbed, is the enjoyment of opening it up and READING it. (…and enjoying the artwork) I pull out my folding table, put down a towel and carefully read the book.
Thank you for sharing your comic experience. This business is not sustainable once all the vintage gold and silver books have been graded. All's left is the modern and the the values of those have been headed south. Welcome to our community
I totally agree, I buy EC books graded on eBay (just so I know they are complete and unrestored) but I crack them out as soon as I receive them. What’s the point in having the book if I can’t read it, or look at the fantastic art of the panels? I bag them in Mylar with acrylic clear backing boards, they are just as protected as the would be in the cgc case and I get to enjoy them whenever I want.
Love it.
yah, but you can always buy the cheap reprints to read them.
@@berardoferrari then you don’t get that awesome smell
@@gotgame226 i can get that from cheap 60s marvel or DC books all day long! LOL!
The SMELL
Cgc is an incredible scam. The fact that they have rinsed tens or possibly hundreds of millions of dollars from an entire fan base of collectors is so hilarious to me.
CGC is not a scam!
Get off my lawn!
LOL exactly I am an old man, but CGC needs to be more transparent also
eBay is as much to blame for slabbing as CGC who have listed every book they have graded. Opinions very but there are millions of ways to collect. The medium is art but you’re not gonna find a Van Gogh owner who is gonna let you touch it. So I don’t want your grimy fingers on my 9.4 Silver Surfer #4! Haters gonna hate. 😊
Thanks for sharing your comics journey there are other ways to protect without grading
I grade two of my books special the amazing spider man 1 and my fantastic four 48 signed by Stan Lee front of me I did it to preserve and give it to my son when he get old enough my Spider-Man 1 was old and fragile got a grade of 1.0 love that book have it since I was a kid am 45 now
It's completely understandable those are two really awesome books. CGC is not a preservation company they're a grading company. Please keep those books out of direct sunlight and away from daylight LEDs it will fade your books for they are not UV protected. I appreciate you sharing your comic journey by joining the conversation. Welcome to the community.
i actually had NICHELLE NICHOLES sign my alex ross wonder woman litho at nycc a few years back *IM THE ONLY PERSON ON EARTH who has this* and it was appropriate to me because she is a WONDER WOMAN .
that is one of the few peices i will ever get graded
the others are the (ROSS batman harley quinn from the 90s ) and the FATAL ATTRACTIONS signed set by every artist .. this includes the misprint holograms .
these are my grades ( and im waiting for michelle to return my batman 89 cover signed ) so im content with my collection .
i have about 50 comics i need to get graded but these are the ones that are priority
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I’ll only buy graded comics when it’s cheaper than a raw version of lesser grade. I snagged Uncanny X-Men 221 8.5 grade for 45 bucks. At the time, 45 bucks would only get me a 221 that looked like a 5 to 6 at best.
That is a very shrewd move. Thank you for sharing your journey and being part of this conversation. Welcome aboard
Collect what you like.
Absolutely but be informed
I only buy raw, when i die my daughter will hace my cómics, i dont buy to invest, thanks for youre video
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Why the hell are "idiots" going by what e-bay sellers selling comics for what people are willing to pay as there true value that is complete bullshit! Anyone ever hear of OverStreet Comic Book price guide? That is where you get the true value of a comic. It is just like Beckett sports price guide...
Well the snacks of sarcasm which I happen to love. I get your point. Although overstreet has started a online app called overstreet access which has updated pricing. As I've said, if you're not investing and you're just turning and burning cgc may be the way. But if you're investing for the future, they may not be the leader 10 or 20 years from now. There's a lot of other ways to protect your comics until then. Appreciate you commenting being part of the community. Welcome aboard
I don't disagree with much of this. However anything is worth what someone will pay for it. I don't understand being annoyed at eBay or another auction house for a price getting set from a wider, presumably better informed population (access to recent sale history). This is vs a one on one convo between two people arguing over the condition of something instead of using a disinterested arbiter to do it. But sure, don't grade a modern book that'll get a 9.2
Valid points however they aren't a disinterested party. We've made A total of seven videos on cgc. I challenge you to go through all of them. And see if it doesn't change your mind. Thank you for joining the conversation and welcome to the channel
Great points. Grading worthless modern books has gotten out of hand and resellers need to go find something else to flip. Damn fuckery.
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I have a few cgc because i got them cheaper than a raw and got them to hang on my wall of stories ive already read but ive never understood people buying a book that came out last week for 5$ they slab it for 9.8 and now its worth 150$ like wtf yeah it should be a 9.8 its 5 days old and you can get it at your LCS for cover price
LOL great take I wholeheartedly agree. Thanks for joining the conversation and welcome aboard
My dad has handed me down old comics that he has kept in sleeves since 1978, would comic book stores buy my old comics at a fair price, rather than getting them grading and then selling them? what is the best way to sell my old comics?
To be 100% honest, if you have any major keys, let's say a hulk 181. I would take that to an auction house. Have them send it to be cleaned, pressed and graded. They seem to get a bump because of how much business they do with the grading companies. If you have basic runs some you know $100 $200 books, something that an auction house wouldn't take. You definitely can get a fair price from a fair comic shop. Find one that gives a free appraisal and get an idea of what your collection is worth. They probably will make you an offer and if you believe it's fair then you take it. But like doctors sometimes you need a second opinion. Don't allow someone to cherry pick your collection because they're paying a higher price for the few books they're taking because it will be much harder to move the rest of your collection. If you're with in a reasonable distance from New York, I would do a free appraisal for you.
I never buy graded comic books, unless i can`t find a loose copy of the book i need for my collection, depending on the price of a graded copy, which i will break because i want to read it... i will buy it. for the very old comics i would say keep it in the casing, but i read the comics i buy.
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I understand grading a card like a Michael Jordan rookie. But don’t understand grading comics like you said now you can’t even read it. You can see the cover that’s it.
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I dont disagree, but I still get keys graded or buy graded. Not because I trust CGC, but because I trust that that graded keys will be easier for my family to identify and get fair market prices for when that time comes. The thought of someone getting a raw nm batman 251 or vf giant size xmen 1 in a cheap lot auction after I pass because they were in a short box with raw walking dead reprints makes me nauseous.
Understandable. There's just companies that have higher integrity than cgc
I think they will find something wrong with them and they will be worthless. I even know what the problem will be
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Would you have gotten more money for the FF #48 that was a 7.5 (graded)or your OWN grade of 5.5? I doubt you're going to get more money for an ungraded comic. I bet if your ungraded comic went up against that 8.0, you would have gotten far less than what you eventually got.
I made that exact point it doesn't invalidate my points.
I love how he talks about that “fair market” value in grading is BS, but the price he sets in his store that he thinks is fair market value is ok and legit. There are always flippers and speculators trying to make money, and he is one of them. He buys books from people at a lower rate, sells them at a higher rate at his “fair market value”. How do I know he is on the up and up, his very fine condition could actually be crap. Dealers try to over charge me at cons and shows all the time. Welcome to capitalism. The market value is based on recent comps from auctions and online sales. He speculates a lot based on his biases.
Well I seem to have struck a cord. Actually what we sell in a retail store is that retail market value. We do set the prices. Sometimes we use different sources to find our price. 100 percent you're correct. There's no way that you can know whether I'm on the up and up or not. What I can guarantee you is it is much easier to decide whether a store owner has integrity, then a business that has already shown they don't. Thank you for joining the conversation. You're more than welcome to your opinion and we're happy to have you in the channel. Stay tuned for my next cgc video
5:18 - "Outside of comics, these are people that are making money on the collecting of comics. They don't create comics. They don't invest in comics." - Sure, but you could say the same thing about companies that manufacture and sell bags, boards and boxes. And to be fair, CGC (and CBCS) should NOT be investing in comics; that would create a conflict of interest.
Good point
Clearly you've never watched how they grade their books on their RUclips channel. They go into great detail about how closely they review and examine the books submitted for grading. They do not grade on cover condition alone. Maybe if you had spent some time looking this stuff up you're mislead complaining would have some weight to it, but you didn't want to. A complete waste of time complaining as the industry moves along. The only constant in life is change.
You may have a very good point and I will watch them till doesn't mean they're being transparent in about other items
Isn’t grading Comics just an opinion by one person so I think that’s the flaw not everybody sees it The same way
Exactly get somebody on a bad day. You get a bad grade. Somebody in a good day you get a good grade. Thanks for sharing your opinion and welcome aboard to the conversation
If I want to read comics, I'll buy a Trade paperback or Omnibus. Individual comics are too fragile.
You should collect the way you want to
Yes, why conceal the interior art to never be seen? It's cockamamie. Avaricious bastards ruining the hobby, & brainwashin' collectors. VALUE VALUE VALUE. What happened to collecting for the love of the art & stories. Great philosophical explanation on the inside being blank once encapsulated, beautifully said, I must say. Great video, friend.
Exactly values. Not why we read these books
I do agree with you on most points, but , I do like the protection for my big books, I can read a reprint / facsimile at my leisure. That being said, yes the grader and the grading ability is totally subjective and does leave some doubts in my mind plus it has gotten much more expensive than when it started, you are right about the garbage books that have been graded, it’s ruined the initial idea of encapsulating to protect a big book
Yeah I agree with you. It has morphed into something that's no longer special. It's like if Rolex started giving out a watch and a Happy meal.
Just found your channel and joined you..
When u said a comic should be seen and read you got me..I'd never incase my comics in plastic if you cant feel read smell the comic I think it's a real shame....
I couldnt stop my eyes wandering around your shelves behind you....
19 comic boxes and still collecting....
English fan joining you here...🙂
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@@HavenForHeroes I like the way you dont ignore us...watched 4 of your videos learnt so much mate....I agree so much with your opinion on cgc i love comics luke you the art the passion that goes into them criminal to lock them away...
I'd love a shop like yours near me...I'd be in there all day......thanks for noticing me even though ur vid is old...
Greetings from England...🙂🤞
Very glad I found your channel. I totally agree with your assessment of CGC and grading. I collect comics, and have for 50 plus years, because I love to read them and appreciate the artwork. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining that my Hulk 181 and my Giant Size X-men 1 are worth a lot of money. I'm glad they are, but to me, they'd be priceless regardless of what they're worth to anyone else because I LOVE them and have owned them for over 50 years and kept them in great condition. Sometimes I wonder what it is some folks are collecting: comics or plastic cases with a comic inside and a number on the top. By all means, to each their own, but for me, comics have their greatest value in the joy I get from them when reading the stories and collecting the runs of characters I love; not hanging on a wall locked away in plastic cases. My hat's off to CGC, however. They created a market for their product and a fervor amongst many collectors to use it and make them (CGC) rich. For me, the true value of comics will always be in the stories and the great characters in them. 'Nuff said.
Thank you and welcome to the discussion
You're so old school and I'm here for it. Everything you said about collecting is what made it fun. Encapsulation suffocates the hobby. I do like grading as a price setter and since it's subjective, it leaves the door open to negotiating. Encapsulation should only be used for the highest of grades of the rarest of comics. Or just to protect your personal favorites that are priceless to yourself.
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I agree with everything that you’re saying but I have 40 and 50 year-old books I’m not sell them for $20 so they can make 1000 I have paid bills with that book when I need it so I had to grade it to make the money because it will not sell to a better price
Understandable I did say when I have to send to auction it does get graded because that is the market even if I don't agree.
i even dont like grading comics because its to expensive and you are right, you cant even read the book the adventure is lost within.
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When did we stop reading and start only grading I started reading comics cause my son 14:40 has reading problems and can only read paragraphs in bubbles.. since then im addicted to stories and also collecting this grading crap is doing nothing but scamming!!
My feelings exactly welcome aboard.
bro you nailed it!!! interesting topic very intellectual discussion. 🎉
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Comics are for reading first. Read better comics is my new mantra. Grading is absolutely a money-maker for those who understand and work that process. I had a guy at a con tell me the act of sealing the comic damages the pages (made of paper which is made from wood -older newsprint - which needs air flow to remain fresh and supple). If you're not happy with what mainstream publishers are printing, seek out self-published and "true" indie titles. Great job, Emmet! Thanks for telling the truth about this medium we love. And what's that shirt you're wearing?
It's a horror movie Mr Hush
Not to mention, there are plenty of "Vintage" Indies with phenomenal Art and Stories!!! You can find these usually in the $2 bin......
The problem I have with those people is the COST I don't like professional people who grade for the purpose of grading! What Thay think the book is worth, I like graders that have a standard FEE and grade a book as to how it really is and not for what it's worth!!! To me, their like the mafia !!! I now sell a book for what I want, and take it from there!! 🤔👍
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Most books should not be graded. Stick with keys, or if you personally want to preserve the book. I knew my Dr. Strange #1 would come back as a low grade, but I did it because it is a piece of my youth.
My point exactly. The only thing is to have a company as big as cgc. You need to grade a lot of books to pay the bills. Especially when your overlords or vanguard and Black Rock!. Thanks for joining the conversation and welcome aboard
Ain't no one under 30 buying new comics.and if they are it's Pokemon bs
I think what you mean is there's a very small percentage of youth reading Comics. That is true. We have to do more to bring them back. That's retailers, publishers and talent. Thanks for joining the conversation. Welcome to our community
I have a signed Evil Earnie #1 first printing. Not 💯 sure if the autograph is legit. I might send to CGC to have it verified and encapsulated. I am 99% sure it’s his signature, but no verification papers.
There's one of the exceptions to grading books. But unless you're going to sell it, cgc or cbcs may not be the leader in the future. Thanks for joining the conversation welcome aboard
@@HavenForHeroes Thanks. I bought it when I was just a boy. Maybe 12. Been bagged and boarded ever since, I think I read it once. I might sell it I don’t know. Most of my books aren’t worth much as far as I know, I think I have a couple decent ones. I barely touched any of my brand new books. I do like the art I didn’t want to harm them and put fingerprints on them and creases in the paper lol.
You've made some excellent points I hadn't fully thought through. Thanks for making the video!
Thanks for watching
Grading modern books is fine…but the only reason I’d grade a modern book personally is 1. If it has key significance 2. Has the potential for a 9.8 grade….and that’s it. I see no point in spending money to grade a non key of miles morales Spiderman to only receive a 9.2 grade.
Exactly you're right on point. Thanks for joining the conversation
I say collect what you like give that comic to your nephew to sell on eBay cut him in on it problem solved that book will sell auctions are scams sometimes hi sellers premium hi buyer's premium they are more of a scam then cgc LOL
Valid points, welcome to the conversation.
Them comics are trash. We want to complete our ASM run.not that trash
Yeah, I can never understand why people are grading non-key modern books. It's insane. Thanks for joining the conversation. Welcome to our community
COMICS ARE NOT COMMODITIES.
They're LITERATURE combined with ART.
Encasing it in plastic defeats the PURPOSE....
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This was a great video. Keep doing what you’re doing
Thank you! Will do!
I can understand maybe slabbing books that you have extra copies of or really valuable books like Golden Age stuff.
However, I hate that grading has made certain books unobtainable (like Incredible Hulk #181) where even a beat up copy is thousands of dollars. When you're trying to complete a run, no book should be out of reach.
And the real. It is a lot of Hulk 181s out there. I've had two or three since I've had my store for 10 years. So actually not as rare as some books that don't get any love. Thanks for commenting and joining the conversation. Welcome to our community!.
dont waste your money comics its not the 60s anymore.
When I first saw one of those plastic cases, my very first thought was "How do I read it"? I was surprised to find you can't open it.
My sentiments exactly. Thank you for joining the conversation and welcome aboard
Has there been any problems with counterfeit books?
I don't remember there being any counterfeit books graded. However, there have been counterfeit grades. The couple that were stealing books were also stealing grades. And people have been switching books out. I made multiple videos on cgc and might have brought this up in one of those. Thank you for joining the conversation and welcome to our community
I can see why Comic book shops dislike CGC. CGC graded books bring down the value of raw books in their shops, and also comic shops tend to over price CGC graded books, specifically in demand 9.8 graded books, making them hard to sell. Most buyers can get a 9.8 in demand books on eBay for dozens to hundreds of dollars cheaper than buying the same graded book at a local shop. The problem with local shop owners is that they rarely want to budge on their price and usually say “Well, just go to eBay if you want it at that price.”. You can’t get mad at a buyer for doing exactly that.
You make some good points but I know many shops that sell their books well below eBay prices. This includes my shop. My shop is not for speculators or investors. Comics aren't a good investment. It's such a small percentage that are investible. Thank you for joining the conversation welcome aboard
"You have to make readers...not speculators", thus statement spoke to my Fandom soul. Thank you Sir. 🙏🏽
Well thank you sir. I appreciate it so much. Thank you for joining the conversation. Welcome to our community. We've got lots more to come.
I only get books graded these days if they're signed at conventions, and that's because I'm after their "witnessed signature" program. Only that. When it's graded with their witnessed signature label nobody questions the authenticity of the signature/s.
But for unsigned books, don't.
Understandable. But now that they've purchased JSA, that's no longer an issue. Your preference is completely understandable. We appreciate you joining the conversation and telling us your comic journey. Welcome aboard
They have encapsulated forged signatures with yellow labels through their witness program. They can't be trusted
Excellent video, subbed.
You are so right that comics are an art form. Sequential art, when done right, is amazing.
Thank you I'm glad there are still purist out there
As a collector of over 45 years I can't agree more
Thank you
You have my respect. Glad I found your channel. New subscriber now
Thank you
Honestly i could tear your reasoning apart and be 100% right. On the other hand I can defend almost everything you said as well. If you wanna be a collector you have to deal with all bad and good. AS far as signatures go a signed comic with no authentication such as grading is a damaged comic cause unless i saw it signed it isn't real unless there's proof. So i am 100% behind getting comics signed and graded as a way to assure myself and other buyers that its authentic. Other than that i only like graded comics i want to display it makes me personally feel better it being encased in that armor.
Ive been collecting comics for 30 years and i have never sent a book to be graded, never bought them either
I will never get anything graded, and I refuse to buy anything graded as well.
My sentiments exactly. Thanks for watching commenting and welcome aboard
For book preservation(I have some first issues from my favorite artist that has passed away) what would you suggest is the best way to keep the book? I don't care about grading or selling them, I want to persevere the memory of the artist.
Use archival paper. Backings and mylar bags then if you want to hang them up they have UV protected drop-in hard plastics. Can't remember the name of them but I think I'm going to do a review.
@@HavenForHeroes thank you very much for the info :) This will save me so much time. Thank you again, great video as well! :)
NICE VIDEO BUD....Here is my philosophy on Grading Comics. I have a very large collection and my Kids and Grandkids are not guaranteed to take up my collection. Who knows if they will show any interest in any of my collections. However, you mention "MONEY $$$$" around them and it's like God smacked them in the head and their ears perk right up. I grade my comics and make sure they KNOW not to start a garage/yard sale and sell them for pennies on the dollar. There's no haggling over a comics grade if it's graded. Also like the gentleman in the video said, auction houses will not sell your comics if they are not graded.
Perfectly understandable for a long-term investment. I just hope that CGC can recoup their name and not be the PGX in 20 years. This is what I
Amen brother... I don't buy slabs for many of the same reasons you stated and I only slab books I intend to sell. It's amazing to me what people will pay for a slabbed book. I recently sold a book that I paid 5.00 for not even a YEAR ago for 315.00 on ebay because it got a 9.8 when I sent it to CGC. That's bonkers to me.
Yep, the only reason to use them is if we're turning and burning. Congrats on a nice sale! Appreciate you being part of the community and welcome aboard
You are exactly right! I'm a golden age collector and I hate CGC as well as all grading companies! They are a scam and are actively ruining comic book collecting for the average joe!
Thank you for joining the conversation and sharing your comic journey. Welcome to the community!
When all this grading started I knew it was a way to scam collectors. Take a new, 2 dollar comic. Send it to CGC, pay a fee, and SHAZAM! It's now worth $30 bucks. Gold & Silver Age comics is understandable. .
Yeah that's a great observation. Thanks for joining the conversation. Welcome to our community
ive been collecting, reading, buying, selling comics since 1983. the market has changed and you have to change, adapt, innovate with it. isnt there any way you can benefit from grading in a positive manner for the community? its certainly worth it to protect high value/rare books like AF #15, Action #1, etc. you sound set in your ways and unwilling to accept changes within the industry. thats my take. thanks
Thanks for joining the conversation it's cool to disagree. They don't guarantee protection only the grade. I can make a load of money if I grade. My feeling is that it's exploiting the hobby, not helping it. Welcome to the conversation and the community. You're in for the drawing.
Readers not Speculators! Great line. Bravo man! I'm 50 years old and haven't seen a comic in over 30 years. But I have had an itch to find a comic store and go thru their bins like when I was a teen. I like watching these videos because they give me an idea of what is going on in comics today.
Keep up good work.
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Thank you for commenting and joining the conversation. Welcome to our community. You're in for the drawing
I'm a 56 year old collector who's been collecting since I was 7, being in and out of the hobby through out my collecting times. I feel I'm able to comment intelligently on your video. I want to say I respect your opions, however, don't agree with them. I have always will and always collected what I enjoy I have also considered myself an "ambassador" for the comic book community by educating people about comics, the history, slabbing, pressing, cleaning, grading etc. Encouraging them to read, get into the hobby and enjoy it how they want to. Money wasn't ever part of my collection until I've changed my spending habits and wanted to have the hobby pay for it's self, and started to sell (both raw & slabbed). I've also learned to grade, press & clean comics.
You say you "don't care" about the slabbed Star Wars, yet you got it graded, and tried to sell it. It didn't sell and you seem abit bitter about that. Seems like you do care. There have been times when I didn't "get the grade" I thought it was, so I looked it over and decided if there was something I missed or if I could improve it by futher pressing it. You critizied the Walking Dead slabbed comics that you got in a collection, you didn't have to buy them, you could have said "no". Why critize the person getting it slabbed especially on a RUclips video? It's what they wanted to do. Maybe they didn't know it was a reprint. They weren't educated, and if they were, ok it's what they wanted to get slabbed. I have no doubt that I have comics in my slabbed collection that people would wonder" WTF and why are those slabbed?"
You stated that comics are for reading, holding etc, which I agree, however, there are now trade paperbacks, and Omnibuses. I have lots of trades of my favorite story lines in comic so I don't have keep rereading my single issues. This a bad thing in your opinion?
The FMV (Fair Market Value) is taken by companies looking at auctions houses, eBay, mulitple outlets that sell comics, and looking at current trends in the market, and average them all out and that's how it's figured out.
You went to talk about grading...you do realize that CGC has come out with a very comprehensive book about what they look for and how they assess grades for comics. You're old enough to know that CGC didn't come up with gradeing, that was done by the folks that wrote The Overstreet Guide. Having a comic graded or knowing how to grade a comic is essential in today's hobby, whether you like it out not. Are there some over priced, yep, so don't buy them.
You know being a seller, that the market is down, so putting up a book up for auction is a risk. I'm not surprised the comics "underperformed" because I've had comics auctioned and they underporformed too and I wasn't happy. However, that's the risk I took. So if you go with an auction house that right off states that they will charge 4% of FMV, then you're going with the wrong auction house. I'd never put a book up for auction based on FVM for someone to charge that to me. I'd go with an auction house that charged me after the selling price. Or put it up yourself.
The "oil" that you stated wasn't even "oil". It was when CGC started going with a new case and "Newton Rings" were created due to the two types of plastics being used were too tight on eachother. The "rings" never effected the comic and there were no liquid "oil" substance on the comics. Of all the slabbed comics I have, I have never seen or had any with "micro cracking". Also, CGC/CBCS/ECG has never claimed their cases were indistructable, they will break/crack if they're dropped or mishandled. However, I'd personally would rather drop a comic that's slabbed than a raw comic. I'm pretty sure the slabbed comic would sustain less damage.
I apologize for making this post so long, however, what I had to say took alot of space. I'm a reader, buyer, seller, slabber, cleaner, presser, and collector in this amazing hobby. I'm always ready and wanting to be a postitive ambassador for this amazing, fun, and growing hobby/community and never have judgements of what or how people collect.
I appreciate your thoughtful criticism. Exactly what we need in the industry. You make a lot of great points. The 4% I was talking about was not from the auction house. It's 4% is what you pay on a book over a thousand two CGC and have a problem with that because they don't know what the value is until the book sells. When they're taking a percentage of the value that they have created there can be a lot of subjectivity that should not be in the grading process.
A lot of people have a lot invested in graded books and I know that this would be very controversial, but as a purist that's where I'm at. All the books that are graded including that Star Wars book was sent out by the auction house, not by myself. Sometimes you have to pay a bill. Thanks again for watching. I hope to hear more from you.
Both of you have good points
I appreciated that you both expressed your thoughts and feelings on multiple subjects with intelligence and class. This is what makes our hobby great.
@@oliverortiz5226 I really wanted to begin the conversation.
And thank you for doing this. I've been collecting since the early 1970's and I can testify that collecting comics has drastically changed and grading has not always been for the betterment of the hobby. I don't dislike slabbing but it has created many things that I don't like. But we adapt with the times. One thing I can say is that slabbing is not the main focus of my collecting but buying and collecting raw comics and always reading them has been a rewarding experience for me. Graded comics are cool, especially preserving my older books but appreciating the wonderful stories and beautiful sequential art is the most rewarding.
I appreciate your insight and becoming part of the conversation
After purchasing, and winning a number of graded comics below the average sales market, I decided to play it safe and invest in Comic Capsules. For a fraction of the price, I can protect, display, admire, and if necessary, read the book. They help in keeping books more preserved, until I decide to sell, or trade the book. They can be stacked, hung on a wall, or placed on a standing display. A big bonus, is that they are UV resistant, whereas graded slabs are not. Plus grading is highly subjective. One grading companies 9.8, might be another's 9.4, a 9.2 could be a 8.5, and so on. My books are worth what someone is willing to pay, not what a company isn't willing to give.
Fantastic observations. I am in total agreement of the comic capsules. Plus, when you're actually ready, if you do feel you need to grade the comic, you can use whatever or whoever is the market leader at the time. I believe you're seeing cgc slipping. Thanks for joining the conversation and welcome to our community
not 25, 50 to get them graded
Thanks for the correction
100% agree. You are a breath of sanity. Before the scandals, I could see a lot of problems with the grading racket, one alone being human subjectivity between graders. You will find those who still believe in the grade & slab still believe because they’ve invested too deeply and don’t want to see themselves as suckers.and are convincing themselves the scandals are isolated. The best way to sell is in person as with any other object or item I may have, where it can be looked at and touched. In light of the Internet, I can appreciate why someone would see there is a need for some kind of universal grading but the current approach ain’t it and seriously flawed.
Thank you
Yes, CGC is a huge conflict of interest. Especially when they're pulling in percentages of FMV when grading. They're also creating markets now with 9.9's, etc. But, in fairness, there's always been a conflict of interest in this business, such as dealers setting the value of books for Overstreet. I've heard many stories of books dealers have being overvalued and ones they wanted attempting to be undervalued. This hobby has a long history of shadiness, like any hobby. You don't need to be CGC to be screwing people over. SOME shop owners, amateur dealers, etc, have been doing it for years. I prefer raw, but to each their own.
Thanks for sharing your experiences joining the conversation. Welcome to our community.
Well grading also protects them in long run and u can always crack them break them open in 200 yrs from now open n read without the pages hopefully crumbling on you
They don't guarantee protection. Thank you for joining the conversation It's a valid point. Welcome to our community
This grading BS takes all the fun out of collecting comics, video games, and toys. Glad it will be going away soon.
thanks for being part of the conversation
Thank you! I've been collecting comics since 1976 and I refuse to have my books graded or buy graded books. For me it's just a scam as just like you say, you're paying for covers to be graded. I've seen multiple posts about comics being graded a 9.something and yet there has been ball point pen righting inside it. People thinking grading increases the value are just blind to the fact it's a giant scam.
Right on the money. Thank you for joining the conversation. Welcome to our community
I always hear the Johnny come lately influencers say "I can't believe this guy wanted a graded price for his raw comic" as if only CGC grading is valid and all Raw copies cannot be better than a Fine unless proven by CGC.
Exactly
I didn't like them when they first came on the scene. So I never bought any.
I feel that Comics are for Reading and Collecting. Not encasing in Plastic or Glass or whatever material.
Others feel differently and that's fine. Freedom of choice and all that.
Agreed thank you for joining the conversation. Welcome to our community.
Another question: Encasing a book inside of a good waterproof plastic holder to protect it is a pretty good idea, IMHO. Is there currently a way for a private individual to do this to his own books? The best I've ever seen is acid-free backing boards and mylar. Unfortunately, the mylar isn't waterproof and in high humidity situations, the books can still get hurt. Suggestions?
I don't believe CGC advertises the holder as waterproof. It is not UV proof either. And if you watched one of my other videos you can see when it's dropped they shatter. The guarantee is not for protection. It is for the grade and once the plastic holder has been compromised, the grade is no longer valid. Thank you for bringing up these topics being part of the conversation. Welcome to our community
@@HavenForHeroes Thanks. No UV protection is significant. They do seem to be waterproof though.
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Wizard price book was good enough for me in the long ago. I'll let my kids deal with my stuff after I die
LOL love this take welcome to the conversation and our community.
Your quote at 15:27 is the damn truth! Most hobbies lose the fun factor with the introduction of big money processes and speculators looking for a quick and big money grab! Great video!
Thank you so much! I'm glad it's resonating with so many people. It looks like we're all finding each other. Welcome to our community
Lots of people like to complain about how other people spend their own money, why should you care if someone wants to grade their comic. You say CGC is only about $…well you are speaking a lot about $ too…your shop runs on $. I know it can be hard having a comic shop and seeing so much money going in CGC’s pockets, but just let people do as they wish without complaint!
I would love a grading company who had transparency was on the up and up and took care of their customers. When problems arised. Do you hear me complaining about cbcs or EGS or PSA? Currently I don't have a problem with them yet. Cgc is fixing. The market is giving an inferior product and I think the community should know.. thank you for joining the conversation and you're welcome to be part of our community.